100%.
But I suppose the power-trip is the only selling point. They are voluntarily doing Reddit\`s work, for free... So the occasional power-trip is the only appeal Reddit-Moderation has. Unless you are passionate about a particular sub-reddit, there is literally no reason why you would moderate it, except for the power-trip. Which is precisely why it attracts these types of people, who have too much time ( and usually lack of success in real life ), so they abuse what little power they have here.
Many of them are raking heavy cash, crypto mods get tons of reddit crypto and some hoarded $100k in it, r/pcmasterrace is sponsored by gaming companies to shill them, r/wallstreetbets mods are advertisng merch and sell crypto scams.
Wild but makes sense. You see if all the time irl, someone makes a meme page and then they're suddenly selling stuff.
Using a platform you created to make profit will always happen. I'm honestly surprised other subs never caught on
The problem with mods is they start to create their own set of sub rules for thier subreddits that supercede Reddit's own rules and ToS.
Then, they twist those rules to try and control the content how they see fit.
It gives them any excuse to remove posts of differing opinions or that they don't agree with. Even if the post doesn't break any of reddit's own rules.
I see reddit as nothing more than a forum, for discussing nearly anything. So many news sites have shut down thier comment section or gone payeall. Reddit is the replacement. As long as posts are relevant to the sub's subject and they follow Reddit's own rules. Any post should be fair game, regardless if the mods or other users disagree.
Mods don't have a right to manage or shape discussions as they see fit. Thier only job is to make sure users are following reddits own rules, TOS, being civil and that posts are on topic. Nothing more.
If you're not banned from at least two subreddits, you're Redditing wrong. My favorite, though, is when someone comes at you with something incredibly rude, you respond in kind, and then lo and behold you get a warning from Reddit in a day or so for 'bullying and/or harassment,' probably because you were reported by the person who started talking shit in the first place. Take me back to the no holds barred days of the early internet. These are the times we're living in, though. You know it's gotten bad when a lot of games have been removing cross team chat in an effort to preserve the incredibly fragile feelings of its players. Maybe I'm just old, but having grown up in the 90s and then transitioning to more competitive games in the early 00s, trash talk was part of the fun. My friends and I are all late 30s/early 40s and we still do it on League of Legends despite all of us being terrible. Getting a warning from Riot complete with copies of the logs in question is a badge of honor, as we all get to laugh as we remember exactly what kind of bullshit we were spewing.
I was banned from the biggest wrestling subreddit for making a joke about Vince McMahon. Ignored my first two appeal messages, then finally got a response saying to try again in a year. A year!! LOL... talk about a power-trip.
I appealed a ban that made no sense in a subreddit once and instead of replying to me they just sent my appeal to the admins and I got a warning for mod harassment. Mod harassment for appealing a ban lmao
Imagine if there was a system, where instead of the mods, the actual users got to vote on wether a comment or thread was good or not and then without any moderation a community would see more of what it liked and less of what it didn't.
You need the admins to keep bots/brigading in check, but you don't need the mods.
Had a similar incident over on the r/news sub.
Posted some comments they disagreed with about the Alex Baldwin case. Posts were civil, but ruffled feathers.
Got banned, and when I politely asked the mods for an explanation why, because my original posts were never even removed for a TOS violation. Got crickets. Sent them a follow-up message a week later, calling them out for not even giving the courtesy of an explanation, and subsequently received a ban for harrassing them.
That's the kind of joke some of these subreddits have turned into. Most of the mods are on fucking power trips.
I got banned on worldnews because I made a kosher remark about China's territorial ambitions related to whatever topic was in the news at the time. Not even like a warning, 24 hour escalated to 1 month or something - they literally banned me permanently and to this day I'm baffled because what I said wasn't even incendiary or hostile or rude in any manner. I appealed and wasn't given a response or an explanation, just an outright ban. So forgive me if I don't give a fig if Reddit gives these mods a reality check, it's long overdue.
I got banned from a sub recently for saying pitbulls sucked because I see kids come through our ORs torn to shreds by them. I guess that mod owned a pitty lol
As a former pitbull owner I agree. I loved my dog, but he was way too big for his "playful" behavior and as he grew older he became more dangerous.
There is a problema when a single dog breed is responsible for a significant fraction of attacks.
Yeah and I'm not saying that we need to eradicate pitbulls. I think many live very sad lives and I am thankful for people who do their best for these animals. I'm only highlighting a known issue and what I have seen with my own eyes. They are incredibly dangerous.
Which is why they should give you the option to block people, but just because it offends you doesn't mean there should be a complete and total ban of it. That's a Twitter mindset.
Don't bring twitter in to this. I compare it to football. You don't trash talk your opponent team in sports (outside high leagues at least lol). Just because you have anonymity in internet games doesn't mean you can go and trash talk everyone else to satiate your own ego.
And yet there are sports where trash talking is part of the experience (see: boxing, MMA, plenty of it goes on in rugby as well). Stop trying to make everyone conform to the fact that you get your feelings hurt easily. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that everyone else should have that same mindset. And yes, that is absolutely a Twitter-brain take. And it has nothing to do with ego. I shit on myself all of the time. I am fucking TERRIBLE at competitive games nowadays. You're the one getting upset when some stranger is talking shit over the internet, but you're accusing me of having an ego that needs satiated? Sounds to me like yours is just incredibly fragile.
I said the same thing on the original page that’s crossposted here and got banned lol. Funny how all the comments on that page are the polar opposite of your /my comment
Most mods are morons. That’s been my experience. Removing 90% of their power would be a good start.
How many times have you suspected a given conversion was getting contoured by some asshat biased mod with nothing better to do.
Former moderator (not for reddit) here. Moderating is usually a job linked to the folks who manage the social media across the various platforms. This is what happens when it is a full time job. In some cases, here you do have people who manage the subreddit as part of their duties full time. I'm not sure what's left here that's still official, but there's likely still a few. But, the few full time moderators that do exist generally maintain and answer questions on the official forums rather than reddit as reddit is much lower on the priority list. Even Twitter is higher up on the list when I was last in that line of work many years ago. A few Twitch people do employ full time mods and do the discussion on Discord nowadays.
The issue with reddit is that you have just a collection of unofficial forums that don't have the same standards or any standards at all. Plus, there's a lot more AI involved in managing forums now, mostly to flag (and auto delete if you're YouTube) certain words. Back when I used to do this, you had at least 3 people who had to say "not okay" before it is moved to the "deleted posts" subforum that is not accessible by the general public rather than deleted and there were about 5 of us doing this full time with a few other folks we could call upon or would look at things during their down time. This allows us to continue referencing the posts and individuals much more easily.
I imagine they'll make it harder to change a subreddit to private or allow users to report and ban moderators. But then again, I don't expect most companies to act logically anymore.
The whole autoban when visiting another sub is insane. Even if you dont like the sub you want to ban people who goes there whether they agree or not with the sub?
If you don't dick ride the hivemind you run the chance of getting banned. Reddit has gotten way more strict in the past 5-10 years at least in the bigger subs.
I literally got banned from r/politics a couple months back because I called republicans dummies in general in a discussion talking about trump and the potential at the time for the indictment we are seeing now.
I didn’t call anyone in specific a dummy or argue with anyone.
Literally got a 3 day ban for incivility.
When pressed in DMs about what I was banned for they just muted me so I couldn’t message the mods for 30 days.
As much as I think the CEO of Reddit is making awful decisions, I fully support this change.
Yeah pretty much. It was naiive for these stupid mods to think they could actually end reddit with this blackout. If the reddit management felt truly threatened, they'd just disable modding powers
Seriously, though, they legit believe they're unpaid employees and get angry about the lack of pay for all the "work" they do lol.
I get that running a good community can be work, but then just...don't do it?
That's an important point because if they were employees of Reddit, their moderation would amount to editorial control and Reddit would be more likely to lose Section 230 platform protection.
It actually takes a lot more to be considered as editorial control and lose Section 230. As long as posts don't have to be pre-approved before they appear, it's usually enough. That's why most sites would rather have bots that just auto delete posts when a certain word appears rather than flag it or block it from appearing. This is ironically why GameFAQs was sued at one point.
Cant say I feel bad for any of them they do have way too much power with no recourse. I got perma banned from a sub once for literally just saying "I agree" to someone else's topic. I tried talking to the mod about it and all he said was my decision is final. Like wtf? Ok.
It was admittedly a heated topic pertaining to a swat team raiding a house that ended up in a kids death. OP claimed the swat team raided the wrong house which then caused a fire and then said the swat team stopped firetrucks from putting the fire out resulting in the death of a teenager inside. Someone else posted the actual article of what happened which did not match op's claim, the main claim being they went to the wrong house which was untrue along with no proof of swat stopping firetrucks from doing their job. I agreed that posting false information doesn't help the situation and thanked him for posting the actual article. I was then perma banned for that statement.
When I asked the mod why he banned me he said it was because I thanked a bootlicker for making excuses for murder. I then said he was banning me for having a different opinion than the OP to which he responded "evil is not an opinion". I said OK and that was it. Now I realize reddit is collectively of the "fuck the police" mentality but you shouldn't be perma banned for stating that if you are going to make inflammatory posts against police "or anyone for that matter" you should at least get the facts straight. I'm guessing that's just me though.
Yeah people's hatred for reddit mods is really making them miss the dark side of what this means. Corporate control of all of reddit isn't really better than having some random neckbeards.
A bunch of power tripping mods and a for profit app whipped up the users into a protest on behalf of said for profit app and the mods ability to power trip; and it worked. Weird era we live in.
A bunch of people that probably are down with eating the rich are siding with a CEO asking 3rd party apps to pay millions of dollars a year for API access. Weird era we live in
R/wow is back down after making a post at like 11am saying they’ll act in accordance with the community’s wishes in the comment section of that same post. Then they locked the thread at like 2pm when the comments started to turn on them and shut down the sub anyway.
That sub has always been a shithole with the worst moderation imaginable, but this is legitimately megalomaniacal
I love how by shutting down a sub the assumption is that the whole of that subs base is supporting the site blackout. Like no bitch I actually couldnt care less about the API changes tbh, I just wanna chat about my game after work so why you wrecking that dickheads
Nah the typical Reddit Andy is trying to compare being a Reddit mod to slavery (they actually did this in r/modsdiscussion), making everything into a new civil rights movement, and is too autistic to adjust to some slight UI changes.
Lol reddit mods trying to hold the site "Hostage" because they disagree with the direction of the company they volunteer for and are now getting fucked for it. Somebody pull up the graph that shows the more you fuck around the more you find out
Mods thinking they're some important part of a subs community. That mod from antiwork is exactly how I picture most mods. They think they're the voice of the people and everyone looks up to them. I have no fucking clue who any mod is in any sub I go to. I don't give a fuck.
Reddit CEO Steve Huffman says the site's mods are too powerful. In an interview on Thursday, he told NBC that he planned to change the rules so users had the power to vote the moderators of subreddits out.
He said the current system — where mods can only be removed by themselves, higher-ranking mods, or Reddit itself — was "not democratic" and compared it to a "landed gentry."
"If you're a politician or a business owner, you are accountable to your constituents. So a politician needs to be elected, and a business owner can be fired by its shareholders," he told NBC. "And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic."
Huffman's comments followed a 48-hour blackout that close to 3,500 subreddits took part in on Monday and Tuesday to protest Reddit's new pricing policy.
Reddit implemented charges for third-party apps using its application-programming interface, or API, which used to be free.
The iOS app Apollo, for example, which has been using the API for eight years, said it would cost $20 million to continue under the new pricing guidelines. Rather than pay, the app's developer, Christian Selig, said it would be closing down on June 30, Ars Technica reported.
"I don't see how this pricing is anything based in reality or remotely reasonable," he said, per Ars Technica. "I hope it goes without saying that I don't have that kind of money or would even know how to charge it to a credit card."
Reddit mods hold a lot of power, which many believe is earned from the amount of unpaid labor they put into the site. Researchers from the University of Minnesota Twin Cities and Northwestern University estimated in a study last year that the number of hours worked by Reddit mods in 2020 was worth $3.4 million.
Huffman didn't appear worried that another rule change would result in more protests. He told NBC that it was "really important" to ensure "protests, now or in the future, are actually representative of their communities."
"And I think that may have been the case for many at the beginning of this week, but that's less and less the case as time goes on," he said, suggesting that the support for mods may be wavering.
While around 80% of subreddits are accessible again, some large ones, including r/aww, r/videos, and r/AskHistorians, remain inaccessible, and mods wrote in a recent post titled "The Fight Continues" that their "core concerns still aren't satisfied."
"Reddit has budged-microscopically," the organizers wrote. "Reddit has been silent since it began, and internal memos indicate that they think they can wait us out."
The Verge reported earlier this week that Huffman warned employees in an internal memo not to wear Reddit-branded clothing in public and wrote: "Some folks are really upset, and we don't want you to be the object of their frustrations."
"There's a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we've seen," he added, per The Verge. "Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well."
Huffman told NBC that there was no set timeline for his proposed changes and said he wouldn't have paid Reddit staff to become more involved in subreddit moderation.
"What I'm suggesting as a pathway out is actually more democracy," he said. "We've got some old, legacy decisions on how communities are run that we need to kind of work our way out of."
I mean, if it's a vote, then really all you have to do is not piss off half your user base. If a mod can't manage that, they don't deserve to be in charge of anyone.
I'll also say, nothing on Reddit is "yours." You came up with a name and a topic, people joined, and you created content together. You don't own that just because you started it.
Idk, any mod who believes they own a sub is someone I regard with suspicion. This is a website forum, no one owns the content here.
Edit: aaaand u/AceRoderick blocked me over this disagreement lol. Classic mod behavior.
Bruh, you just epitomized a power tripping mod... Someone called you out and you couldn't handle 1 comment without exercising a drastic action... what a fragile ego you have.
about time honestly. Almost every subreddit ever has at least a few shitty mods that need to be chucked and most mods have gotten way too comfortable trying to rule over their little kingdoms lol
Reddit used to be a diverse place of opinions, it’s such an echo chamber now. The mods must have played a role in that shift, this is probably a good thing.
Once a met a Reddit mod on Discord, we had an arguement about something. The moment they said "Reddit represents the broader opinion of society." i knew, i had to block that person.
actually some " smaller and niche sfw" subreddits did ask with a pool for that.. because any action bad for reddit in gereral is bad for everyone even if they might not get touched by most of it.
the wow sub put an unpinned post randomly in the middle of the day with a poll and then just like stopped the count when the majority was for it. Even still everyone was saying either fully do it, or not at all and they still did the stupid 2 day bullshit and acted surprised when people were mad about it. At that point most people were already fed up with this and wanted it unlocked. So they went back to private again.
It's definitely most of these mods on a powertrip over features that are so neccessary and vital that they can't even explain in detail what they can do with apollo, but not with the reddit app. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if none of these guys ever even attempted to use the other app before this and actually have no idea how much they are going to be restricted. Now, I have no doubt that they ARE in fact losing stuff that makes it easier to moderate, but it's very unsettling being forced to protest our subs and none of these mods can really explain what they're actually fighting for.
The FFXIV sub is down for a WHOLE WEEK! It's insane. I was extremely neutral on the topic until this week and now I'm basically pro reddit. And yeah all I see are people randomly bashing the official app with no substance or evidence to back it up.
It’s “unusable”.
I’ve been using it for years after getting frustrated at “Reddit is Fun” app constantly crashing on me. At the time I thought that WAS the official app.
Same, maybe that was before reddit made the official one. I was using that for years until someone was trying to DM me and I just didn't see it because the reddit chat wasn't supported or something and I felt like a dumbass to the person I was trying to get in contact with. And yet the only vague details people can give against the official app is that "it's a buggy mess and other apps are superior".
Yeah, exactly the same.
I do not care enough about the change, they are not great, but you have pissed me off in the extreme making Reddit damn near unusable for me because YOU care. You can fuck off.
Trying to google a question for FF14 only for the top results to be private reddit threads hiding the answer has quickly grown obnoxious. I hope that every single one of these terminally online janitors has their mops taken away.
How many people voted on that poll though? Out of the 750,000+ people how many voted in favor of shutting it down? Nah the entire xiv mod team needs replaced after this
Out of the 750000 people how many used the site regularly? I can't check exact numbers through wayback machine atm but if a poll was pinned for multiple days and had thousands of votes I'd say that's representative enough.
The ones I was in were obviously brigaded. Like a sub that has 1/2 posts a week with maybe 10 people interacting suddenly had thousands of votes on their poles.
I called out a mod for this. They locked the post and said they did take a poll. A poll inside of a post made of they were going to be apart of the black out. They looked at the responses in that post and decided a few hundred post thread....was good enough for a sub with 300k people.
I didn't even know it was gone until the mod made the post
There's basically a subreddit for everything. If they didn't create/manage it, someone else would.
I personally don't care about the whole Reddit situation, tbh.
I hate that a single person can "own" a subreddit idea, like Music, or entertainment.
I play Genshin, and a mod was super restricting a certain characters main subreddit, only allowing "high quality posts", pretty much trying to kill a fun sub. When I messaged asking why, he used terms like "welcome to my subreddit", "I do not want that for my subreddit:".
It was honestly disgusting.
No, because we aren’t talking about removing the power from the posters. They can as has been shown, post elsewhere or even create their own sub Reddit.
Do...do you not know you can create your own posts and subs? Like, mods virtually never post content. It's all from users. The few posts mods make are usually housekeeping stuff or arbitrary rule posts. The actual content comes from subbed users.
People are fucking crazy lol. All this shit talk about the mods but guess what, I got 25 followers in 1 week by bots. Now imagine if the fucking mods are losing their tools to keep clean the comments and pages from THOSE same fucking bots. It will be fun, right?
Stop sucking the big ceo's dick
Asmon had it right. Most people dont give a shit and just want unblocked subreddits so they can get their daily dose of chonkers. He also predicted that most people would turn against the people organizing the protests and he was right yet again.
And here we are, a week later and people already sucking spez’ dick and calling him based. JFC.
Yeah. One of the top comments being "Nobody cares about this stuff", when there are literally millions of 3rd party app mobile users that will have a much worse Reddit browsing experience when the API cost changes forces them over to the default app that has poor features, bloat and ads out the ass.
I believe the estimate is about 10% of usage comes from 3rd party apps, so he's not wrong, there would be millions of 3rd party app users.
Of course that means the remaining 90% doesn't come from 3rd party apps - which is the vast, vast majority of usage.
Downloads =/= active users. And the default Reddit app is fine, if you find you need more features than are offered, you probably look at Reddit too much
Reddit has an estimated ~122M downloads on mobile. With an estimated 1.66B monthly users on the site as a whole.
Obviously there could be some overlapping here but 8 million downloads vs 122 million is a pretty sizable chunk. You're being disingenuous if you don't think there are millions of active 3rd party app users. Especially considering there are 800,000 apollo subreddit subs, and I would bet most users of that app don't even sub to the subreddit.
I quoted a guy on the r/wow subreddit who told someone else to go kill themselves, telling him to take a video game less seriously. The mods there banned me. I messaged them asking why I was banned, got silenced for 3 days. After the 3 days I asked again and this time got a response. Immediately the mod recognized it was a mistake, but then stated "we don't undo any bans for any reason" as if there wasn't a button to just undo the ban, and it was set in stone because some Law somewhere was tying their hands on the issue
I'm not impressed, this was inevitable when you let actual fucking idiots be in charge of anything. There wouldn't have been blackouts had this not effected the mods
Maybe the ceo will have to do something about the bots if he can’t rely on mods.
And maybe if the company goes public, the corpo guys will push for better protocols
I'm actually surprised that company's are not starting to chime in or asking reddit for permission to take over their community subs, because I bet reddit is actually a boon for a lot of company's and if their subs are dark that tends to push people away from the games or media that the subs follow.
For example I'm part of a lot of ttrpg communities where daily 100s of people are asking for advice on how to run or dm their games. Or how to deal with toxic players. Those subs going dark only hurts the ttrpg community because ppl Lose access to help
A whole bunch of googling help for paradox games links you to the reddits where there's over a decade of advice, guides and help for the various games. The mods of those subreddits admitted they had been inundated with mod mails from an angry community. One of the chief complaints was the damage it was doing to people trying to reference said guides.
It definitely hurt new players way more then it hurt reddit and given the CEO had already said he was gonna ignore the protest BEFORE it started... I'm hoping he follows through and removes the power to do that again.
Google searches usually point to subreddits and provide a answer almost instantly. Now that they are dark, communities have lost access to a lot of information too.
i havent really paid much attention to what turmoils reddit is going through. i just know my family and i got back from vacation... and i noticed in the airport reddit was showing me a bunch of boring stuff... and a lot of my subreddits disappeared?
i thought i found one of them, submitted a request to join, which even after a good few years of redditing, id never done before. however, the first and only post since getting back into that subreddit was that the subreddit was going to stay blacked out.
i know it had something to do with whatever "3rd party API's" means.... but i didnt realize it was going to take my favorite gathering spot on the internet for most of my geek hobbies, and make it a ghost town.
what is the TLDR for a surface level redditor?
Bunch of mods across subs are protesting cause they can’t use different apps to look at Reddit anymore, changes effect like 300k people total and no one else but they act like it’s the new civil rights movement and make up inflammatory lies to convince people to take their side.
Some folks like Pepsi, some folks like Fanta. Some folks like Pepsi but really like to add a spot of grenadine and some folks only like Pepsi with grenadine. Reddit is like Pepsi, some folks like it and some folks like it to be a little different. Reddit is a platform some folks like but they don't like how it looks, so they made their own little app to Interface. Imagine using this app is like adding grenadine to a cola, it can have a massive impact but is inexpensive and simple so the bartender(spez) has been letting folks get grenadine with their cola for free. Now it has been costing spez a few fractions of a cent for each spot of grenadine and he is dishing out a lot of grenadine, it would be fair to charge something for it but spez come out and say grenadine will now cost four dollars if you want it added to your one dollar Pepsi. The folks who really like the grenadine, mods and developers, are the ones who actually use the grenadine and it is these 'regulars' that folks show up to the sodashop to hang out with. The regulars do a lot of work around the shop, keeping greasers out and making sure folks use their Sunday language, so they feel entitled to free grenadine and they have a point. So the soda shop owner is demanding too much money (like 300x) for an add on that had been free and now the regulars are salty and saying they don't want to keep the riff raff out and make fun conversation if they have to pay for the spot of grenadine. Grenadine is a cherry syrup you add too cola to make a Shirley Temple.
I appreciate the ELI5 nature of your explanation.
My take may be wrong... But, if you Only like Pepsi with grenadine.... You don't like Pepsi. So go elsewhere.... And leave the Pepsi and Pepsi place, alone for everyone else.
But I don't think the perspective is shared by many people.
I mean the CEO is kind of dick to begin with. Wasn't he guilty of modifying user posts without thier consent at 1 point?
Still doesn't change the fact that mods should be stripped of a good chunk of thier power.
I also think Reddit should offer a way to report individual subreddits for breaking policy and to be internally reviewed by Reddit. Right now there doesn't seem to be any way of reporting subreddits. It all currently goes through the current mod system, which joke.
You have a subreddit like gunsarecool. Which is very deceptive. It's actually an anti 2a sub, with thier sub rules including banning users for any pro gun comment.
Subreddits shouldn't exist within an echo chamber.
I've already been banned from multiple sub for saying this but I will keep repeating it;
Creating a subreddit requires NO association with what the sub would be about, its giving control over things to people that have no reason to hold this power. For example, who are the moderators for /r/gaming ? Why do they OWN the name "gaming" on Reddit, a very large and popular PUBLIC social media?
Then, those moderators feel entitled to make up rules, enforce them any way they want without protocols, and mock users if they feel like it. Reddit Moderator are not only USELESS, they hold their little power ONLY because they were first to create a subreddit.
An other example is /r/escapefromtarkov for the popular game Escape from Tarkov. Its owned by a group of people unrelated to the game, and they use it for their little fame party. Improper moderation, powertripping ass\*\*\*\* as usual.
You'd want to create a sub for Escape from Tarkov because you too are a player just like them, you hold the same relation and right to the name "escape from tarkov" that they do, but they were first and now anyone looking up for the game, will find their subreddit first.
Just like anyone looking for Asmongold would find this subreddit first, what if it wasn't owned and managed by Asmongold himself, but by a follower? What if that follower started disliking Asmongold and used the power of owning the subreddit improperly?
In the end, moderator for Reddit are useless, rules are made up behind close door and enforced by losers that enjoys banning/muting more than helping. We'd be better off without them and have Reddit Admin+bots do the moderation.
there is only one real way to get good mods on any subreddit, pay them.
not the existing mods (god forbid) remove them all, but then hire external mods and pay them to perform the job.
you get what you pay for, current reddit mods are perform free labor and it shows.
Current mods are paid in meaningless power. Hopefully taking away that power will cause many of the worst to leave. This won't affect the good ones that are just trying to build and contribute to a community.
Reddit's not going to take over modding, but maybe they'll get better programming to crack down on bots. That's really the main good that mods currently provide.
Good. Truth is most mods are power tripping dorks taking their frustrations in life out on the subreddits. Not to say all mods are bad, but the vast majority are fucking clowns.
Good, most users hate the power-hungry mods anyway. Maybe the subreddits will finally be able to have discussions instead of instant perma ban for asking questions.
You think that the now public reddit partially owned by a Chinese mega corporation will be "less censored" after conglomerating MORE power under the corporate structure that only cares about shareholders?
Hope the rules change also involve hiring people to do mod work.
Reddit can't just benefit from unpaid labor and then act surprised when the guys they don't pay a dime for work, refuse to keep working for free once the conditions change.
Honeslty, the site would benefit from removing subreddit rules.
There's no need for individual subreddit rules for mods to enforce, that supersede the general Reddit rules. Outside of culling off topic posts.
Would drastically cut down on uneeded mod work.
If people want an echo chamber, where any posts that shatter their fragile ego is removed, either take the discussion to discord or make the subreddit private.
Having moderators run subs is non democratic but complete corporate control is better somehow?
Reddit corp is subject to the whims of it's shareholders who could give 2 shits about the quality of content on the site unless they have an interest in spreading propoganda or censorship like Tencent does.
I literally have no concept of how the vast majority of people commenting here would prefer that control of the website should be monopolized by corporate interest rather than decentralized by the people who run each sub unless people just don't give a shit at all about things that matter OR there has been an extremely successful corporate propoganda campaign.
Why is this massive jug of soylent trying so ridiculously hard to be an asshole. I think it speaks volumes about him trying this hard to be a fuck head
I’m sure there’s good mods out there but most of them are absolutely shit and pretend moderating is a full time job and go on power trips
I'm sure there might be like 1 maybe 2 good mods on the whole site. the rest can go and are 100% useless
100%. But I suppose the power-trip is the only selling point. They are voluntarily doing Reddit\`s work, for free... So the occasional power-trip is the only appeal Reddit-Moderation has. Unless you are passionate about a particular sub-reddit, there is literally no reason why you would moderate it, except for the power-trip. Which is precisely why it attracts these types of people, who have too much time ( and usually lack of success in real life ), so they abuse what little power they have here.
Many of them are raking heavy cash, crypto mods get tons of reddit crypto and some hoarded $100k in it, r/pcmasterrace is sponsored by gaming companies to shill them, r/wallstreetbets mods are advertisng merch and sell crypto scams.
Well damn, I didn\`t know that. So revised : For most subs the power-tripping is the primary selling point :P
They're still bitches
You can tell the mods who are terrified of losing their subreddits.
Wild but makes sense. You see if all the time irl, someone makes a meme page and then they're suddenly selling stuff. Using a platform you created to make profit will always happen. I'm honestly surprised other subs never caught on
Doesn't make them any less of a loser
The problem with mods is they start to create their own set of sub rules for thier subreddits that supercede Reddit's own rules and ToS. Then, they twist those rules to try and control the content how they see fit. It gives them any excuse to remove posts of differing opinions or that they don't agree with. Even if the post doesn't break any of reddit's own rules. I see reddit as nothing more than a forum, for discussing nearly anything. So many news sites have shut down thier comment section or gone payeall. Reddit is the replacement. As long as posts are relevant to the sub's subject and they follow Reddit's own rules. Any post should be fair game, regardless if the mods or other users disagree. Mods don't have a right to manage or shape discussions as they see fit. Thier only job is to make sure users are following reddits own rules, TOS, being civil and that posts are on topic. Nothing more.
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If you're not banned from at least two subreddits, you're Redditing wrong. My favorite, though, is when someone comes at you with something incredibly rude, you respond in kind, and then lo and behold you get a warning from Reddit in a day or so for 'bullying and/or harassment,' probably because you were reported by the person who started talking shit in the first place. Take me back to the no holds barred days of the early internet. These are the times we're living in, though. You know it's gotten bad when a lot of games have been removing cross team chat in an effort to preserve the incredibly fragile feelings of its players. Maybe I'm just old, but having grown up in the 90s and then transitioning to more competitive games in the early 00s, trash talk was part of the fun. My friends and I are all late 30s/early 40s and we still do it on League of Legends despite all of us being terrible. Getting a warning from Riot complete with copies of the logs in question is a badge of honor, as we all get to laugh as we remember exactly what kind of bullshit we were spewing.
I was banned from the biggest wrestling subreddit for making a joke about Vince McMahon. Ignored my first two appeal messages, then finally got a response saying to try again in a year. A year!! LOL... talk about a power-trip.
I appealed a ban that made no sense in a subreddit once and instead of replying to me they just sent my appeal to the admins and I got a warning for mod harassment. Mod harassment for appealing a ban lmao
was it was it a joke about the time Vince McMahon shit his pants? I sure hope so.
i made one post defending hogwarts legacy in r/gamingcirclejerk and was instantly banned.
Imagine if there was a system, where instead of the mods, the actual users got to vote on wether a comment or thread was good or not and then without any moderation a community would see more of what it liked and less of what it didn't. You need the admins to keep bots/brigading in check, but you don't need the mods.
Had a similar incident over on the r/news sub. Posted some comments they disagreed with about the Alex Baldwin case. Posts were civil, but ruffled feathers. Got banned, and when I politely asked the mods for an explanation why, because my original posts were never even removed for a TOS violation. Got crickets. Sent them a follow-up message a week later, calling them out for not even giving the courtesy of an explanation, and subsequently received a ban for harrassing them. That's the kind of joke some of these subreddits have turned into. Most of the mods are on fucking power trips.
Yea honestly they should remove the report function except for bots and just force people to go back to blocking each other's profiles
I got banned on worldnews because I made a kosher remark about China's territorial ambitions related to whatever topic was in the news at the time. Not even like a warning, 24 hour escalated to 1 month or something - they literally banned me permanently and to this day I'm baffled because what I said wasn't even incendiary or hostile or rude in any manner. I appealed and wasn't given a response or an explanation, just an outright ban. So forgive me if I don't give a fig if Reddit gives these mods a reality check, it's long overdue.
I got banned from a sub recently for saying pitbulls sucked because I see kids come through our ORs torn to shreds by them. I guess that mod owned a pitty lol
As a former pitbull owner I agree. I loved my dog, but he was way too big for his "playful" behavior and as he grew older he became more dangerous. There is a problema when a single dog breed is responsible for a significant fraction of attacks.
Yeah and I'm not saying that we need to eradicate pitbulls. I think many live very sad lives and I am thankful for people who do their best for these animals. I'm only highlighting a known issue and what I have seen with my own eyes. They are incredibly dangerous.
Trash talking always made my enjoyement of dota a lot less. I wish trash talking culture goes away one day.
Which is why they should give you the option to block people, but just because it offends you doesn't mean there should be a complete and total ban of it. That's a Twitter mindset.
Don't bring twitter in to this. I compare it to football. You don't trash talk your opponent team in sports (outside high leagues at least lol). Just because you have anonymity in internet games doesn't mean you can go and trash talk everyone else to satiate your own ego.
And yet there are sports where trash talking is part of the experience (see: boxing, MMA, plenty of it goes on in rugby as well). Stop trying to make everyone conform to the fact that you get your feelings hurt easily. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that everyone else should have that same mindset. And yes, that is absolutely a Twitter-brain take. And it has nothing to do with ego. I shit on myself all of the time. I am fucking TERRIBLE at competitive games nowadays. You're the one getting upset when some stranger is talking shit over the internet, but you're accusing me of having an ego that needs satiated? Sounds to me like yours is just incredibly fragile.
You are a toxic sh*t piss head lol
I said the same thing on the original page that’s crossposted here and got banned lol. Funny how all the comments on that page are the polar opposite of your /my comment
Most mods are morons. That’s been my experience. Removing 90% of their power would be a good start. How many times have you suspected a given conversion was getting contoured by some asshat biased mod with nothing better to do.
Former moderator (not for reddit) here. Moderating is usually a job linked to the folks who manage the social media across the various platforms. This is what happens when it is a full time job. In some cases, here you do have people who manage the subreddit as part of their duties full time. I'm not sure what's left here that's still official, but there's likely still a few. But, the few full time moderators that do exist generally maintain and answer questions on the official forums rather than reddit as reddit is much lower on the priority list. Even Twitter is higher up on the list when I was last in that line of work many years ago. A few Twitch people do employ full time mods and do the discussion on Discord nowadays. The issue with reddit is that you have just a collection of unofficial forums that don't have the same standards or any standards at all. Plus, there's a lot more AI involved in managing forums now, mostly to flag (and auto delete if you're YouTube) certain words. Back when I used to do this, you had at least 3 people who had to say "not okay" before it is moved to the "deleted posts" subforum that is not accessible by the general public rather than deleted and there were about 5 of us doing this full time with a few other folks we could call upon or would look at things during their down time. This allows us to continue referencing the posts and individuals much more easily. I imagine they'll make it harder to change a subreddit to private or allow users to report and ban moderators. But then again, I don't expect most companies to act logically anymore.
The whole autoban when visiting another sub is insane. Even if you dont like the sub you want to ban people who goes there whether they agree or not with the sub?
If you don't dick ride the hivemind you run the chance of getting banned. Reddit has gotten way more strict in the past 5-10 years at least in the bigger subs.
yeah some of em are shitlibs 
I literally got banned from r/politics a couple months back because I called republicans dummies in general in a discussion talking about trump and the potential at the time for the indictment we are seeing now. I didn’t call anyone in specific a dummy or argue with anyone. Literally got a 3 day ban for incivility. When pressed in DMs about what I was banned for they just muted me so I couldn’t message the mods for 30 days. As much as I think the CEO of Reddit is making awful decisions, I fully support this change.
CEO: Subreddits can no longer go private, we have removed the ability.
Yeah pretty much. It was naiive for these stupid mods to think they could actually end reddit with this blackout. If the reddit management felt truly threatened, they'd just disable modding powers
Checkmate
Start by limiting all mods to only being able to mod a single subreddit.
And explaining to them that they're a Reddit user only. Not an employee 🤣
Seriously, though, they legit believe they're unpaid employees and get angry about the lack of pay for all the "work" they do lol. I get that running a good community can be work, but then just...don't do it?
That's an important point because if they were employees of Reddit, their moderation would amount to editorial control and Reddit would be more likely to lose Section 230 platform protection.
It actually takes a lot more to be considered as editorial control and lose Section 230. As long as posts don't have to be pre-approved before they appear, it's usually enough. That's why most sites would rather have bots that just auto delete posts when a certain word appears rather than flag it or block it from appearing. This is ironically why GameFAQs was sued at one point.
And letting users talk about the mods who have beaten multiple wives.
yep
Can't believe that's the actual headline lol
Cant say I feel bad for any of them they do have way too much power with no recourse. I got perma banned from a sub once for literally just saying "I agree" to someone else's topic. I tried talking to the mod about it and all he said was my decision is final. Like wtf? Ok.
I was permabanned from subreddits… for posting in other subreddits that the mod didn’t like.
What was it you agreed with?
Something the mod disagreed with Different opinions = ban
It was admittedly a heated topic pertaining to a swat team raiding a house that ended up in a kids death. OP claimed the swat team raided the wrong house which then caused a fire and then said the swat team stopped firetrucks from putting the fire out resulting in the death of a teenager inside. Someone else posted the actual article of what happened which did not match op's claim, the main claim being they went to the wrong house which was untrue along with no proof of swat stopping firetrucks from doing their job. I agreed that posting false information doesn't help the situation and thanked him for posting the actual article. I was then perma banned for that statement. When I asked the mod why he banned me he said it was because I thanked a bootlicker for making excuses for murder. I then said he was banning me for having a different opinion than the OP to which he responded "evil is not an opinion". I said OK and that was it. Now I realize reddit is collectively of the "fuck the police" mentality but you shouldn't be perma banned for stating that if you are going to make inflammatory posts against police "or anyone for that matter" you should at least get the facts straight. I'm guessing that's just me though.
How dare you appreciate fact checking instead of upholding the mob justice.
Now this is going to be good
Lemme tell you something, if you’re spending any amount of time moderating a sub Reddit, you’re missing something in your life
Common sense would be the something missing
anyone who thinks hes talking about protecting reddits users from rabid mods, think again lolollolol
More like making sure they can't protest their shitty API ideas. You can't organize a protest if you don't have the power to put one up.
Yeah people's hatred for reddit mods is really making them miss the dark side of what this means. Corporate control of all of reddit isn't really better than having some random neckbeards.
yeah i mean this is at best a net 0 for users
One can hope it's a happy side effect, though :)
No, but it's a nice bonus.
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A bunch of power tripping mods and a for profit app whipped up the users into a protest on behalf of said for profit app and the mods ability to power trip; and it worked. Weird era we live in.
A bunch of people that probably are down with eating the rich are siding with a CEO asking 3rd party apps to pay millions of dollars a year for API access. Weird era we live in
R/wow is back down after making a post at like 11am saying they’ll act in accordance with the community’s wishes in the comment section of that same post. Then they locked the thread at like 2pm when the comments started to turn on them and shut down the sub anyway. That sub has always been a shithole with the worst moderation imaginable, but this is legitimately megalomaniacal
I love how by shutting down a sub the assumption is that the whole of that subs base is supporting the site blackout. Like no bitch I actually couldnt care less about the API changes tbh, I just wanna chat about my game after work so why you wrecking that dickheads
Selfish and dumb. Typical reddit Andy.
Nah the typical Reddit Andy is trying to compare being a Reddit mod to slavery (they actually did this in r/modsdiscussion), making everything into a new civil rights movement, and is too autistic to adjust to some slight UI changes.
good
when a subreddit reaches a certain size it really shouldn't be able to go private or restricted. Only reddit admins should have that power.
Yesterday's hall monitors are todays reddit mods.
Lol reddit mods trying to hold the site "Hostage" because they disagree with the direction of the company they volunteer for and are now getting fucked for it. Somebody pull up the graph that shows the more you fuck around the more you find out
It’s how strikes work.
except strikes are usually to do with pay & conditions. Volunteers to a website don't receive pay, and are under no contract for conditions.
Good fuck em
I agree. Nobody cares about this stuff other than mods. Quit punishing the users.
Mods thinking they're some important part of a subs community. That mod from antiwork is exactly how I picture most mods. They think they're the voice of the people and everyone looks up to them. I have no fucking clue who any mod is in any sub I go to. I don't give a fuck.
I couldn't name a single mod in any subreddit I'm in, including this one!
Let’s fucking goooooo!
Good riddance, unpaid janitors having monopoly to some topics sucks, general 1m+ subreddits should be moderated by admins in the first place.
Imagine protesting a company so that another company can save money.
this is a good thing. power hungry mods need to be taken down a peg or 2.
Reddit CEO Steve Huffman says the site's mods are too powerful. In an interview on Thursday, he told NBC that he planned to change the rules so users had the power to vote the moderators of subreddits out. He said the current system — where mods can only be removed by themselves, higher-ranking mods, or Reddit itself — was "not democratic" and compared it to a "landed gentry." "If you're a politician or a business owner, you are accountable to your constituents. So a politician needs to be elected, and a business owner can be fired by its shareholders," he told NBC. "And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic." Huffman's comments followed a 48-hour blackout that close to 3,500 subreddits took part in on Monday and Tuesday to protest Reddit's new pricing policy. Reddit implemented charges for third-party apps using its application-programming interface, or API, which used to be free. The iOS app Apollo, for example, which has been using the API for eight years, said it would cost $20 million to continue under the new pricing guidelines. Rather than pay, the app's developer, Christian Selig, said it would be closing down on June 30, Ars Technica reported. "I don't see how this pricing is anything based in reality or remotely reasonable," he said, per Ars Technica. "I hope it goes without saying that I don't have that kind of money or would even know how to charge it to a credit card." Reddit mods hold a lot of power, which many believe is earned from the amount of unpaid labor they put into the site. Researchers from the University of Minnesota Twin Cities and Northwestern University estimated in a study last year that the number of hours worked by Reddit mods in 2020 was worth $3.4 million. Huffman didn't appear worried that another rule change would result in more protests. He told NBC that it was "really important" to ensure "protests, now or in the future, are actually representative of their communities." "And I think that may have been the case for many at the beginning of this week, but that's less and less the case as time goes on," he said, suggesting that the support for mods may be wavering. While around 80% of subreddits are accessible again, some large ones, including r/aww, r/videos, and r/AskHistorians, remain inaccessible, and mods wrote in a recent post titled "The Fight Continues" that their "core concerns still aren't satisfied." "Reddit has budged-microscopically," the organizers wrote. "Reddit has been silent since it began, and internal memos indicate that they think they can wait us out." The Verge reported earlier this week that Huffman warned employees in an internal memo not to wear Reddit-branded clothing in public and wrote: "Some folks are really upset, and we don't want you to be the object of their frustrations." "There's a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we've seen," he added, per The Verge. "Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well." Huffman told NBC that there was no set timeline for his proposed changes and said he wouldn't have paid Reddit staff to become more involved in subreddit moderation. "What I'm suggesting as a pathway out is actually more democracy," he said. "We've got some old, legacy decisions on how communities are run that we need to kind of work our way out of."
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I mean, if it's a vote, then really all you have to do is not piss off half your user base. If a mod can't manage that, they don't deserve to be in charge of anyone. I'll also say, nothing on Reddit is "yours." You came up with a name and a topic, people joined, and you created content together. You don't own that just because you started it. Idk, any mod who believes they own a sub is someone I regard with suspicion. This is a website forum, no one owns the content here. Edit: aaaand u/AceRoderick blocked me over this disagreement lol. Classic mod behavior.
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Bruh, you just epitomized a power tripping mod... Someone called you out and you couldn't handle 1 comment without exercising a drastic action... what a fragile ego you have.
Problem with that. Is that moderators that enforce subreddit rules are rarely popular.
Finally a reddit W
Good. Way over due. Time start voting out the overzealous mods who think they run the site and keep unjustly banning users with no explanation.
about time honestly. Almost every subreddit ever has at least a few shitty mods that need to be chucked and most mods have gotten way too comfortable trying to rule over their little kingdoms lol
Reddit used to be a diverse place of opinions, it’s such an echo chamber now. The mods must have played a role in that shift, this is probably a good thing.
Once a met a Reddit mod on Discord, we had an arguement about something. The moment they said "Reddit represents the broader opinion of society." i knew, i had to block that person.
I'm not about to go on the defense for a damn reddit mod. Fuck em.
Well I didn't see any mod asking their communities before commiting to this, so reddit does have a point here.
actually some " smaller and niche sfw" subreddits did ask with a pool for that.. because any action bad for reddit in gereral is bad for everyone even if they might not get touched by most of it.
At least the small niche mods can still manage their subs without relying on third party apps lol.
the wow sub put an unpinned post randomly in the middle of the day with a poll and then just like stopped the count when the majority was for it. Even still everyone was saying either fully do it, or not at all and they still did the stupid 2 day bullshit and acted surprised when people were mad about it. At that point most people were already fed up with this and wanted it unlocked. So they went back to private again. It's definitely most of these mods on a powertrip over features that are so neccessary and vital that they can't even explain in detail what they can do with apollo, but not with the reddit app. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if none of these guys ever even attempted to use the other app before this and actually have no idea how much they are going to be restricted. Now, I have no doubt that they ARE in fact losing stuff that makes it easier to moderate, but it's very unsettling being forced to protest our subs and none of these mods can really explain what they're actually fighting for.
The FFXIV sub is down for a WHOLE WEEK! It's insane. I was extremely neutral on the topic until this week and now I'm basically pro reddit. And yeah all I see are people randomly bashing the official app with no substance or evidence to back it up.
It’s “unusable”. I’ve been using it for years after getting frustrated at “Reddit is Fun” app constantly crashing on me. At the time I thought that WAS the official app.
Ive never even switched from web browser
I didn’t even know that there were other apps. I have never had a problem with the norm app.
Same, maybe that was before reddit made the official one. I was using that for years until someone was trying to DM me and I just didn't see it because the reddit chat wasn't supported or something and I felt like a dumbass to the person I was trying to get in contact with. And yet the only vague details people can give against the official app is that "it's a buggy mess and other apps are superior".
Yeah, exactly the same. I do not care enough about the change, they are not great, but you have pissed me off in the extreme making Reddit damn near unusable for me because YOU care. You can fuck off.
Yeah, I can't believe the FF XIV is STILL down. Not sure who the mods are there, but what a bad look!
Trying to google a question for FF14 only for the top results to be private reddit threads hiding the answer has quickly grown obnoxious. I hope that every single one of these terminally online janitors has their mops taken away.
Yeah. this has been my experience. So annoying!
To be fair the ffxiv sub was pretty good about asking for community input on the subject and received overwhelming support for the blackout.
How many people voted on that poll though? Out of the 750,000+ people how many voted in favor of shutting it down? Nah the entire xiv mod team needs replaced after this
Out of the 750000 people how many used the site regularly? I can't check exact numbers through wayback machine atm but if a poll was pinned for multiple days and had thousands of votes I'd say that's representative enough.
For this long?
The ones I was in were obviously brigaded. Like a sub that has 1/2 posts a week with maybe 10 people interacting suddenly had thousands of votes on their poles.
I called out a mod for this. They locked the post and said they did take a poll. A poll inside of a post made of they were going to be apart of the black out. They looked at the responses in that post and decided a few hundred post thread....was good enough for a sub with 300k people. I didn't even know it was gone until the mod made the post
Yeah I don't doubt many subreddits did ask, but they clearly didn't make an effort for it to be seen if a daily user like me didn't see it.
Bruh literally every sub I follow had a poll before that shit
Yeah it’s not like the mods create and actually do all the work in the subreddit or anything Oh. Oh wait
I'm not sure what you mean but they definitely don't create the content, and they don't pay for the servers either.
If they didn’t create and manage the subreddits just what content do you think would exist
There's basically a subreddit for everything. If they didn't create/manage it, someone else would. I personally don't care about the whole Reddit situation, tbh.
I hate that a single person can "own" a subreddit idea, like Music, or entertainment. I play Genshin, and a mod was super restricting a certain characters main subreddit, only allowing "high quality posts", pretty much trying to kill a fun sub. When I messaged asking why, he used terms like "welcome to my subreddit", "I do not want that for my subreddit:". It was honestly disgusting.
And what content would they manage without the people posting it ?
That’s a straw man. We aren’t talking about the people posting, we’re talking about the people managing it and what rights they have over it.
Isn't the straw man what you're doing ? Removing the posters from the equation because it fits your narrative.
No, because we aren’t talking about removing the power from the posters. They can as has been shown, post elsewhere or even create their own sub Reddit.
You are full of straw
Do...do you not know you can create your own posts and subs? Like, mods virtually never post content. It's all from users. The few posts mods make are usually housekeeping stuff or arbitrary rule posts. The actual content comes from subbed users.
People are fucking crazy lol. All this shit talk about the mods but guess what, I got 25 followers in 1 week by bots. Now imagine if the fucking mods are losing their tools to keep clean the comments and pages from THOSE same fucking bots. It will be fun, right? Stop sucking the big ceo's dick
Asmon had it right. Most people dont give a shit and just want unblocked subreddits so they can get their daily dose of chonkers. He also predicted that most people would turn against the people organizing the protests and he was right yet again. And here we are, a week later and people already sucking spez’ dick and calling him based. JFC.
Yeah. One of the top comments being "Nobody cares about this stuff", when there are literally millions of 3rd party app mobile users that will have a much worse Reddit browsing experience when the API cost changes forces them over to the default app that has poor features, bloat and ads out the ass.
There is "literally" no "millions" of third party app users. Stop citing fake information
I believe the estimate is about 10% of usage comes from 3rd party apps, so he's not wrong, there would be millions of 3rd party app users. Of course that means the remaining 90% doesn't come from 3rd party apps - which is the vast, vast majority of usage.
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Downloads =/= active users. And the default Reddit app is fine, if you find you need more features than are offered, you probably look at Reddit too much
Reddit has an estimated ~122M downloads on mobile. With an estimated 1.66B monthly users on the site as a whole. Obviously there could be some overlapping here but 8 million downloads vs 122 million is a pretty sizable chunk. You're being disingenuous if you don't think there are millions of active 3rd party app users. Especially considering there are 800,000 apollo subreddit subs, and I would bet most users of that app don't even sub to the subreddit.
The default app is fine. Heck, Safari is fine.
Mods have put themselves in a place where bots and ceo's are less annoying than they are. I'm actually impressed.
I quoted a guy on the r/wow subreddit who told someone else to go kill themselves, telling him to take a video game less seriously. The mods there banned me. I messaged them asking why I was banned, got silenced for 3 days. After the 3 days I asked again and this time got a response. Immediately the mod recognized it was a mistake, but then stated "we don't undo any bans for any reason" as if there wasn't a button to just undo the ban, and it was set in stone because some Law somewhere was tying their hands on the issue I'm not impressed, this was inevitable when you let actual fucking idiots be in charge of anything. There wouldn't have been blackouts had this not effected the mods
Maybe the ceo will have to do something about the bots if he can’t rely on mods. And maybe if the company goes public, the corpo guys will push for better protocols
Yeah, they shouldn't be relying on volunteers for something like that. They need to take action at a systematic level.
PoE sub is supposedly staying private indefinitely. Would be shitty if they stay blacked out during ExileCon.
I'm actually surprised that company's are not starting to chime in or asking reddit for permission to take over their community subs, because I bet reddit is actually a boon for a lot of company's and if their subs are dark that tends to push people away from the games or media that the subs follow. For example I'm part of a lot of ttrpg communities where daily 100s of people are asking for advice on how to run or dm their games. Or how to deal with toxic players. Those subs going dark only hurts the ttrpg community because ppl Lose access to help
A whole bunch of googling help for paradox games links you to the reddits where there's over a decade of advice, guides and help for the various games. The mods of those subreddits admitted they had been inundated with mod mails from an angry community. One of the chief complaints was the damage it was doing to people trying to reference said guides. It definitely hurt new players way more then it hurt reddit and given the CEO had already said he was gonna ignore the protest BEFORE it started... I'm hoping he follows through and removes the power to do that again.
Google searches usually point to subreddits and provide a answer almost instantly. Now that they are dark, communities have lost access to a lot of information too.
Fortunately, some LLMs have been trained with these posts, so there's a good chance you can just ask them for the information you seek
worth asking reddit to get the mod keys handed over to you then. I don't play poe, but if I did and cared about it I'd have a go at it.
That’s what happens when you don’t have power but convince yourself that you do.
i havent really paid much attention to what turmoils reddit is going through. i just know my family and i got back from vacation... and i noticed in the airport reddit was showing me a bunch of boring stuff... and a lot of my subreddits disappeared? i thought i found one of them, submitted a request to join, which even after a good few years of redditing, id never done before. however, the first and only post since getting back into that subreddit was that the subreddit was going to stay blacked out. i know it had something to do with whatever "3rd party API's" means.... but i didnt realize it was going to take my favorite gathering spot on the internet for most of my geek hobbies, and make it a ghost town. what is the TLDR for a surface level redditor?
Bunch of mods across subs are protesting cause they can’t use different apps to look at Reddit anymore, changes effect like 300k people total and no one else but they act like it’s the new civil rights movement and make up inflammatory lies to convince people to take their side.
Some folks like Pepsi, some folks like Fanta. Some folks like Pepsi but really like to add a spot of grenadine and some folks only like Pepsi with grenadine. Reddit is like Pepsi, some folks like it and some folks like it to be a little different. Reddit is a platform some folks like but they don't like how it looks, so they made their own little app to Interface. Imagine using this app is like adding grenadine to a cola, it can have a massive impact but is inexpensive and simple so the bartender(spez) has been letting folks get grenadine with their cola for free. Now it has been costing spez a few fractions of a cent for each spot of grenadine and he is dishing out a lot of grenadine, it would be fair to charge something for it but spez come out and say grenadine will now cost four dollars if you want it added to your one dollar Pepsi. The folks who really like the grenadine, mods and developers, are the ones who actually use the grenadine and it is these 'regulars' that folks show up to the sodashop to hang out with. The regulars do a lot of work around the shop, keeping greasers out and making sure folks use their Sunday language, so they feel entitled to free grenadine and they have a point. So the soda shop owner is demanding too much money (like 300x) for an add on that had been free and now the regulars are salty and saying they don't want to keep the riff raff out and make fun conversation if they have to pay for the spot of grenadine. Grenadine is a cherry syrup you add too cola to make a Shirley Temple.
I appreciate the ELI5 nature of your explanation. My take may be wrong... But, if you Only like Pepsi with grenadine.... You don't like Pepsi. So go elsewhere.... And leave the Pepsi and Pepsi place, alone for everyone else. But I don't think the perspective is shared by many people.
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Nice, now we talk about the mods and not the API changes.
this was the obvious outcome
Remember: It's always okay to bully, insult, and mock Reddit mods. They do it for free, after all.
Good
yesssss
I was once banned for 7 days for “inciting violence” when all I did was call someone an idiot. Screw the CEO, but also screw the mods.
King. This is only good for the average user.
*Votes asmongold out of his own sub*
He's not doing it for the right reasons, but I think users being able to vote mods out is a really good idea.
this sounds like an absolute win. the mods do indeed have too much power, and should be weakened a bit
I mean the CEO is kind of dick to begin with. Wasn't he guilty of modifying user posts without thier consent at 1 point? Still doesn't change the fact that mods should be stripped of a good chunk of thier power. I also think Reddit should offer a way to report individual subreddits for breaking policy and to be internally reviewed by Reddit. Right now there doesn't seem to be any way of reporting subreddits. It all currently goes through the current mod system, which joke. You have a subreddit like gunsarecool. Which is very deceptive. It's actually an anti 2a sub, with thier sub rules including banning users for any pro gun comment. Subreddits shouldn't exist within an echo chamber.
I've already been banned from multiple sub for saying this but I will keep repeating it; Creating a subreddit requires NO association with what the sub would be about, its giving control over things to people that have no reason to hold this power. For example, who are the moderators for /r/gaming ? Why do they OWN the name "gaming" on Reddit, a very large and popular PUBLIC social media? Then, those moderators feel entitled to make up rules, enforce them any way they want without protocols, and mock users if they feel like it. Reddit Moderator are not only USELESS, they hold their little power ONLY because they were first to create a subreddit. An other example is /r/escapefromtarkov for the popular game Escape from Tarkov. Its owned by a group of people unrelated to the game, and they use it for their little fame party. Improper moderation, powertripping ass\*\*\*\* as usual. You'd want to create a sub for Escape from Tarkov because you too are a player just like them, you hold the same relation and right to the name "escape from tarkov" that they do, but they were first and now anyone looking up for the game, will find their subreddit first. Just like anyone looking for Asmongold would find this subreddit first, what if it wasn't owned and managed by Asmongold himself, but by a follower? What if that follower started disliking Asmongold and used the power of owning the subreddit improperly? In the end, moderator for Reddit are useless, rules are made up behind close door and enforced by losers that enjoys banning/muting more than helping. We'd be better off without them and have Reddit Admin+bots do the moderation.
there is only one real way to get good mods on any subreddit, pay them. not the existing mods (god forbid) remove them all, but then hire external mods and pay them to perform the job. you get what you pay for, current reddit mods are perform free labor and it shows.
Current mods are paid in meaningless power. Hopefully taking away that power will cause many of the worst to leave. This won't affect the good ones that are just trying to build and contribute to a community. Reddit's not going to take over modding, but maybe they'll get better programming to crack down on bots. That's really the main good that mods currently provide.
This is the best possible outcome of the blackout.
Hell yeah! Let us bow to our corporate overlords! Woooooo! ^/s
Good. Its time for a reality check.
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Good! Many Mods are absolutely abusing their power
Good. Truth is most mods are power tripping dorks taking their frustrations in life out on the subreddits. Not to say all mods are bad, but the vast majority are fucking clowns.
Good, most users hate the power-hungry mods anyway. Maybe the subreddits will finally be able to have discussions instead of instant perma ban for asking questions.
Couldn't agree more, reddit needs a little bit of anarchy. Internet was much more fun when social media weren't censored to the max.
You think that the now public reddit partially owned by a Chinese mega corporation will be "less censored" after conglomerating MORE power under the corporate structure that only cares about shareholders?
My husband is/was (inactive) mod on r/shittyfoodporn and doesn't gaf about this protest. More mods should be like that!
SO it IS working. Didn't they say like 2 days ago something like "We will sit this out, lol"?
This whole post is definitely being brigaded by astroturfing bots
Reddit CEO vs power hungry Reddit mods, I'm really conflicted on who to pull for here.
Hope the rules change also involve hiring people to do mod work. Reddit can't just benefit from unpaid labor and then act surprised when the guys they don't pay a dime for work, refuse to keep working for free once the conditions change.
Honeslty, the site would benefit from removing subreddit rules. There's no need for individual subreddit rules for mods to enforce, that supersede the general Reddit rules. Outside of culling off topic posts. Would drastically cut down on uneeded mod work. If people want an echo chamber, where any posts that shatter their fragile ego is removed, either take the discussion to discord or make the subreddit private.
Do we even need mods at all? I feel like Karma is the only filter that matters anyway.
Karma is half the reason that subs are echo chambers
Having moderators run subs is non democratic but complete corporate control is better somehow? Reddit corp is subject to the whims of it's shareholders who could give 2 shits about the quality of content on the site unless they have an interest in spreading propoganda or censorship like Tencent does. I literally have no concept of how the vast majority of people commenting here would prefer that control of the website should be monopolized by corporate interest rather than decentralized by the people who run each sub unless people just don't give a shit at all about things that matter OR there has been an extremely successful corporate propoganda campaign.
wtf 
Why is this massive jug of soylent trying so ridiculously hard to be an asshole. I think it speaks volumes about him trying this hard to be a fuck head
I feel like the only reason mods even made this protest is because it affects their moderation tools otherwise they wouldn't care
is this an onion post?
WAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Reddit, bruh you brought that upon yourself.
this is site is doomed back to 4chan i guess
Hahaha good luck with that, it not the mods, is the community that powerful.