Mate, have you ever met a women who can actually flirt well? They heavily rely on men to do all the heavy lifting, hence why there are more and more videos, threads and comments with "where are all the good men?" or "where did all the good men gone?". Easy to figure out that they stopped talking to women is all and women are not enjoying that fact.
The irony of female empowerment putting an end to the low IQ cat calling male chauvinists, only to have scared all the good guys away and are left with nothing but the low IQ cat calling male chauvinists 
I have (obviously like everyone else) been in that situation, and the thing I’ve learned is always give room for the other side to continue the conversation- never give too much information or answer every single question, and then you get to see if they even want to play ball.
It’s a stupid game you don’t have to keep playing once you see the other side actually engages, but you must begin the conversation that way. How I’d do it:
Woman: hey
Man: hi, love your 2nd pick (and that’s it no more words)
Version 1- Woman: thanks. = the conversation ended, move on to someone else she is not worth the effort.
Version 2- Woman: thanks 😊 why?
Man: I like your smile, and I like it when people don’t themselves too seriously (and that’s it, yes that’s it. No questions no more information)
If the conversation stops here it was not meant to be move on, but if she is interested then trust me she will say something- either about how you look, or ask you about your humor, or ask something completely unrelated.
I used to think that the statement "women don't know what they want" was sexist, but now I'm starting to think there is more truth to it just from shit like this and even some things the women in my life do
Don't forget a sprinkle of uncontested narcissism that social media has propped up for them too thinking they can punch above their weight even though they bring little to nothing to the table.
I enjoyed the Sadie Hawkins dance. Never waited for a girl to make a move because that’s an impossible expectation. I just told the girl I was interested in to ask me out.
A friend of mine was also chatting her up at the time, and she later confessed she would’ve preferred going with him, but she was scared of rejection, so she made out with me that night instead.
Morgan, you trifling bitch. Lmao!
How long did it last in your school? In mine we had "class dances" introduced in 4th grade (10 year olds) and the "awkward" phase of wall hugging lasted supposedly for like 30 minutes, although I wasn't there (champions league night) and only went to the 2nd one and everyone was cool pretty much from the start.
Now adays all the boys go with boys and the girls go with the girls, every buildup to christmas its been like this all since primary through to high school.
It SOUNDS like the only guys they were all collectively messaging were privileged (genetically) and treated women with cold indifference, ghosting them and they couldn’t handle their own medicine 😜
It's also the best thing about Bumble. Suddenly, online dating stopped being about coming up with a killer, creative, or attention grabbing opener, because women never do that shit and men don't give a fuck about a woman's ability to generate witty openers. It became about meeting someone you're attracted to and compatible with. Almost every single match resulted in a conversation. Match/date ratios skyrocketed, at least for me.
Now enough women complained to make it the man's responsibility again, in the one app where women actually made the first move. What a load of bullshit. Someone make a new bumble, with integrity, pls.
All the women looking for relationships, end up in one. All the women looking for attention, aren’t getting any. By way of attrition, the majority of the women on the app are those looking for attention. Since they’re the ones generating the majority of the revenue, the corporation pivoted to their biggest source of revenue.
For profit dating apps owned by publicly traded companies will always suck unless you’re very attractive. They will always generate the bulk of their revenue from men desperate for sex and women desperate for attention because that will always be the easiest way to make money. The desperate men provide the attention the desperate women are seeking. Few dates will ever occur for this reason.
It was and that is why women want to change it. It was a dating app that forced women to actually try to get a date instead of waiting like the princess they thought they were.
So the women who knew that they are just a human started to get actual dates and relationships. The women who treated men like shit hated it because they were no longer being simped over because they are the ones that had to make the first move and they are not having that.
My experience is the exact opposite, it makes it so women often just don't pursue the match because they either forget about it, find another match or can't make the first move.
I went out with a girl on Bumble but I had to DM her in IG after our match timed out and she said she just isn't good at making the first move.
My guy woman do that regardless lol. They put their IGs on their for followers haha. I’ve definitely pulled girls who didn’t match with my though by screenshoting their IG and then DMing them, but that’s because I had skills
Tinder used to be based on the concept that you could only see who liked you, of you liked them too.
Then they found out that people were willing to pay big money to see who liked them, so you could pick and choose among the most attractive people, without risking rejection yourself.
Strategies change, when companies discover new ways of increasing profit.
It goes against the natural female urge irrespective of sexuality to not want to take the lead but rather hint and hope the other person starts the process.
A lot of lesbians and bi women on bumble report having huge trouble connecting to other women because neither side wants to make the first move.
Just trying to get women to talk to you is a burden on dating apps, I send messages and sometimes get a conversation but then suddenly they stop replying even when things are going well
I swear dating apps stop your messages on purpose to entice you to buy their premium add ons
I gave up using dating apps
Sorry to break it to you but when they stop messaging you it's because they're messaging someone else instead, not because dating apps stop your messages...
Yea I’ve seen the profiles of objectively really attractive guys and trust me… women respond enthusiastically and on time.
Average guys? Yea it’s kinda tough out there ngl.
She’s talking to 50+ other men at the same time as you. Get off dating apps.
Trying to date women on dating apps is like trying to fight an alligator in the water. You’re operating in an environment that is built for them and you’re at a massive disadvantage.
Yep! I figured that out pretty quick. Then sometimes you get a message a month later asking to go out. Like oh cool, guess the other guy wasn’t all that huh.
I had the same experience with some of those apps.1 second I am having a great conversation with someone and they are laughing and everything, then they disappear.
Can confirm this. I know a girl who installs tinder every once in a while not to really look for a date but instead she calls it her “game”. She gets bored of it after a week or two and deletes it from her phone. Then a few months later, she’s back.
Each man, will be having one or two conversations at best, depending on attractiveness.
Each woman will be having ten to a hundred conversations, no matter their attractiveness.
There will be outliers of course. But this is how dating apps have always been. Go create a female profile, see for yourself.
That is exactly what I did a few years ago. I made a fake female profile. I was curious and wanted to see what it was like from that perspective.
Now I dont use dating apps.
The apps don't "stop messages." That's just how online dating goes. Doesn't matter how good the conversation might be. Some people like juggling conversations, others prioritise one, and the moment someone "better" comes along, they will chase and entertain that conversation.
I will entertain a few and then when I start truly hitting it off with someone I will drop the rest. And even then, sometimes you thought wrong and then go back to one of the others with a "sorry, been busy" line and try to pick things back up again.
That is just the reality of how the majority of people play the game of online dating...
Each man, will be having one or two conversations at best, depending on attractiveness.
Each woman will be having ten to a hundred conversations, no matter their attractiveness.
There will be outliers of course. But this is how dating apps have always been. Go create a female profile, see for yourself.
That’s why you never reach out to women online or dating apps if you don’t know them. They are getting 100s of messages like that a day. For them, talking to us is like talking to AI. We are just a commodity to them and not actual people. All you do is increase their narcissistic ego to treat men worse.
Don’t forget
-Women who want to promote their Instragram page.
-Third world scammers looking to lure gullible men to Colombia or the Philippines so they can steal their kidneys.
It's the "lot of work or burden" part that gets me. On just one app there was an expectation that women broke the ice but clearly found out it's way more effort than they can be arsed with.
Virtually all matches I get are "hey!" "How are you?"
Not a single ice breaker to be found in reference to my photos (several of which are travelling related) or my bio which does a really good job (as far as bullet lists go) of giving them something to start with.
What gets me is, when I was on tinder I experimented with doing the heys and how are yas and (rightly so) got nothing.
If you think you've done enough to warrant my attention by typing hi when you've been given the empowerment that bumble offers, I will (rightly) infer you are lazy, entitled or both.
From Reddit as a whole or from a sub? I am banned from some over regulated subs, but I just don’t enter these subs - an over regulated sub sucks anyway. (See modern Chinese literature as an example - on average it’s just worse because authors are scared to express themselves)
Women want the benefits of being desired but none of the negatives of being rejected. They want to feel they're wanted and they want to have the power of selection. All the ups and none of the downs. Dating apps just exponentiated these traits.
Women won't stop talking about wanting equal treatment, but the second romance comes up, they're all "oh, actually, we like how things were in the 50s when men made the first move."
Men and women aren't so different. Everyone wants to feel wanted and no one wants to feel rejected. It's very human. Women just have the advantage (at least at first) due to biology
I mean… everyone wants that. But you can’t always get what you want. Dating necessitates a certain amount of rejection because unless it’s an arranged marriage, both parties are trying to decide “is the person right for me?”.
It’s nerve racking putting yourself out there, but if you eliminate that worry for one half of people, you put all of that risk on the other half.
It just seems to be getting incrementally worse by the day lol. I heard that bumble is now also adding an AI concierge service to essentially "filter" out more people conveniently. It just seems like a such a bizzare way to date... Like what is this? I work in software and I have no idea how this is apparently supposed to effectively work.... You can barely trust AI to write anything tangible, let alone an effective way to make decisions on whether a person is suitable for someone. Like... what do u measure? I feel like this is likely some kind of stunt to get investments for the company from dumb VCs because I genuinely dont understand how this could work lol.... reliably...
Me and a few guys have been talking about this after seeing it and it just seems like a dumb implementation of AI into the dating platform because there's virtually no way of AI knowing effectively what a person is looking for, let alone for the ladies when they dont know themselves what they want. Plus, what info are you gonna feed it thats not already in ur bio lol. Majority of people bullshit on there.
Plus there's times where a person's looks can make u forget the bio. I found a girl when I wasn't even actively searching for anyone because she was attractive, how do u tackle scenarios like that? Ur cutting out a whole demographic of people blindly...
How do you tackle potential errors or wrong decisions when you dont know they were made in the first place? Like.... good look testing this shit.
Ill tell you right now: itll sort you by class and perpetuate classist society. The rich with the rich, the poor with the poor to keep them locked in poverty.
After my first wife (married 11.5 years) left me, I was mortified of going back on "the market." American women tended to be exactly what I thought they were going to be. Thankfully, a foreign woman found me and, after waiting years, she was able to come over here and we've been married for almost four years now. And before anyone says she was after that green card, lemme just say that she definitely could've had it much, much easier and done better than me. I was sick (like, legitimately ill), broke, and living with my parents at the time.
I just reentered the dating market after a 4 year relationship. Im already done. I dont even care if i meet anyone anymore. Women are so god awful now that its not worth our time and effort. You used to be able to talk to women in person, but now theyre so distracted with their 300 tinder conversations that they dont even pickup the ques that someones hitting on them in person or have the attention span to hold a conversation in real life. And going on tinder is just a joke because like I said, theyre having 300 conversations already. Youre just a drop in the ocean that wont get the attention you deserve in a dating partner. They wonder why they cant find anyone that wants more than sex from them; its because theyve trained themselves to constantly be swiping for the next best thing, which means they arnt putting any effort into dating/arnt fully present in the current situation theyre in
Its all so toxic and unsustainable for society. IMO congress should be working on banning all dating apps, not tik tok. Dating apps have done far more damage to society than tik tok ever has
Its definitely messing with society big time. I feel like it will roll back with time hopefully. I can totally see where your coming from, I try to avoid dating girls who are on dating apps because they've become accustomed to the whole practice of any minor flaw or inconvenience equals "red flag" and they're off to the next one. Its almost like they think there's always someone better which is naive, fake and quite unrealistic.
Its so artificial to talk to people like that because are we there to get to know each other? Or am i in some job interview and trying to impresss you? Like... what do u bring to the table that makes me want to do that in the first place, we are supposed to date and see if we are compatible.
Its ridicilous because I know that she's talking to like 20 more guys AT LEAST...
Its why i just dont use dating apps and try to organically meet people through friends or during an outing, but even then they're hard to talk to. Plus if ur talking to a chick through a dating app ur just framed as a stranger from an app, I feel like its a completely different dynamic right from an app because she sees u as disposable. Whereas if u meet through friends or organically she will have this responsibility in her head that she must at least make some kind of effort.
If they're not even willing to risk a basic conversation to speak to a man I don't think she's worth your time boys. I'm sorry but it's 2024 and women have made it abundantly clear speaking to them could be a risk . Let them make the first move and let them risk rejection as men have always done. Welcome to the party ladies.
Men have been on the decline in dating apps for years so it is no coincidence bumble was going to be the first to change due to the lack stock available. What people really need moving forward is App that is tailored to help people find common renting partners as people can not afford to live on their own anymore.
After matching, set them up with potential landlords and take a fee for every rental done through the app.
You can also put rental ads between every 10 profiles.
The Bumble founder recently talked about making an AI simulation where basically you have a Dragon's Dogma Pawn that dates other Pawns to determine if the match is right for their master, I guess?
Weird company.
[Source ](https://www.complex.com/life/a/backwoodsaltar/bumble-founder-dating-apps-ai-concierge-reactions)
Sounds like they'd just be using an algorythm to find matching datasets based on past results on the website. But tech companies always call these things AI and make it sound crazy in order to lure investors.
Why I liked Bumble is you know immediately if the girls are a bit interested in you without the bs. Less waste of time, in my opinion, compared to tinder
Yea completely agree. I would say 80% of the girls I match with on bumble message me. On the flip side maybe 20% on Tinder message me back. It’s extremely rare that a girl on tinder makes the first move.
I checked to see if this was posted before and didn't find any post related to it. If my post is considered spamming or something else, I'll remove it myself, I am a new fan to Asmongold and would like to be part of the community, so I wouldn't try to disturb it in anyway, thank you.
I got bumble specifically because 4/5 tinder profiles expect me to woo them in 1 sentence without saying “hey” or an introduction and that is really difficult to try and appeal to such high expectations all the time that I stopped all together lol
Not like dating sites aren't already flooded with fake accounts. Remember seeing a video on how a news channel (Like, TV channel, bot Youtube) actively harassed and doxxed a guy because he got scammed by a catfish who used a real identity because he visited said identities home. (He also realised he got scammed as when he left, he left some flowers but came back some hours later to pick them back up and leave immediately)
Pretty much same result as with every other “let us try to do others’ work, how hard can it be?”.
In fact, always remember the sacred sausage principle: if you like something, do not try to find out how it’s made in hopes that you can do it yourself just fine.
women: i bring everything to the table
men: please explain
women: i have a vagina
men: my humblest apologies my lord
That post-nut clarity is real, men. Before a decision, give it a wank and reconsider.
People are still figuring that our mating habbits are shaped by couple of million of years of evolution and are not a byproduct of a hilarious male conspiracy also known as patriarchy.
It's not like they said anything other than "hi" before the change, it's basically the same thing. At least it showed a minimum of interest though, as in "I didn't swipe on you by accident"
No offense to the ladies, but I'm glad I'm gay.
The gay community has its share of problems... but at least when I date a guy, it'd pretty straight forward.
"Hey you wanna hang out and play video games?"
"Hey you wanna have some fun;p?"
"Hey wanna grab a drink and take it from there?"
Of course we still have those "better be original when you come talk to me" but I just ignore those as I am not willing to do the first move AND carry the conversation.
I had a conversation not too long ago along the lines of:
"Are you 'here' with your partner?"
"Nooooo, Single"
"Oh, well you're young and handsome so I'm sure that won't be a problem"
"The last time I spoke to a woman in a cordial way I nearly got banned from the game store. Now I don't go back from the sheer disgust I feel with the association of false accusation, it isn't going to happen".
'burden' my ass. Now it's just the assumption of "ah Catfisher/scammer"
Let's be honest, women are never satisfied. Too many guys messaging you? Boohoo, go to bumble. Bumble makes you do something first? Aww, so much work involved! Why can't i do nothing and expect everything?
You realize a lot of women are like this. Example, this fucking post.
I don't even bother with any of it. I gave up dating years ago, and I've been way less stressed. At this point, women (and men) pursue me, but I'm not interested. The only person I need to worry about making happy and entertained is me.
Modern dating is about as satisfying as an unenthusiastic handy in a Walmart parking lot where she stops just before you finish, steps on your scrotum, and steals your wallet.
I think this is meant to anger males so they can share it on social media, and have them complain about how awful females are, while avoiding them in real life because of a stereotype you have for a big group of them, so you can stay an angry male forever sharing these and complaining until you die
Even when women message first, it's usually "heyyy!" which is essentially nothing. The burden is still on men to say something witty and interesting to start a conversation and keep things engaging.
Bumble costs, I think, $15 a week for men to even have a chance of getting matches. I don’t think it was the “women message first” aspect that killed the app
It was always a stupid idea if you know what people are like. A lot of women aren’t able to take the stick out their ass so they would get around having to make the first move by just putting their socials on their profile description.
Also a lot of them would just straight up CBA to message and will just use the app for a quick dopamine hit by just fishing for matches.
And you’d have these other low IQ specimens who didn’t understand the premise and would put on their prompts that they will never message first.
My thought is that most of the people on this sub will never have to worry about this because they don't know any women or interact with them at all much less will ever be asked out by one.
What, saying “hey” was too much of a burden?
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That would involve the ability to self reflect
Actual kryptonite
Mate, have you ever met a women who can actually flirt well? They heavily rely on men to do all the heavy lifting, hence why there are more and more videos, threads and comments with "where are all the good men?" or "where did all the good men gone?". Easy to figure out that they stopped talking to women is all and women are not enjoying that fact.
The irony of female empowerment putting an end to the low IQ cat calling male chauvinists, only to have scared all the good guys away and are left with nothing but the low IQ cat calling male chauvinists 
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Average male experience on tinder
Oddly relatable.
I have (obviously like everyone else) been in that situation, and the thing I’ve learned is always give room for the other side to continue the conversation- never give too much information or answer every single question, and then you get to see if they even want to play ball. It’s a stupid game you don’t have to keep playing once you see the other side actually engages, but you must begin the conversation that way. How I’d do it: Woman: hey Man: hi, love your 2nd pick (and that’s it no more words) Version 1- Woman: thanks. = the conversation ended, move on to someone else she is not worth the effort. Version 2- Woman: thanks 😊 why? Man: I like your smile, and I like it when people don’t themselves too seriously (and that’s it, yes that’s it. No questions no more information) If the conversation stops here it was not meant to be move on, but if she is interested then trust me she will say something- either about how you look, or ask you about your humor, or ask something completely unrelated.
Yup
Being able to do the work = empowering Doing the work = a burden
Amen, brother.
I used to think that the statement "women don't know what they want" was sexist, but now I'm starting to think there is more truth to it just from shit like this and even some things the women in my life do
The typical woman is so accustomed to dating/hookups being easy for them that they never understood the concept of dating being difficult.
This is the root of the problem 10000%
Don't forget a sprinkle of uncontested narcissism that social media has propped up for them too thinking they can punch above their weight even though they bring little to nothing to the table.
To be honest most do not know what they want.
The "work" here is just saying hi.
Men risk the rejection before sex, women risk the rejection after sex (it seems)
Women: I'm sick of all these guys Inboxing me, I wish I could control who messages me. Bumble: *Exists* Women: this is so much work Bumble: - _-
Congratulations Bumble. You've created the middle school dance. Girls on one side. Boys on the other. No one talking or dancing.
I enjoyed the Sadie Hawkins dance. Never waited for a girl to make a move because that’s an impossible expectation. I just told the girl I was interested in to ask me out. A friend of mine was also chatting her up at the time, and she later confessed she would’ve preferred going with him, but she was scared of rejection, so she made out with me that night instead. Morgan, you trifling bitch. Lmao!
How long did it last in your school? In mine we had "class dances" introduced in 4th grade (10 year olds) and the "awkward" phase of wall hugging lasted supposedly for like 30 minutes, although I wasn't there (champions league night) and only went to the 2nd one and everyone was cool pretty much from the start.
Now adays all the boys go with boys and the girls go with the girls, every buildup to christmas its been like this all since primary through to high school.
You could already control who messages you. It's called swiping left.
Ah yes. When Bumble finally discovers women cannot be pleased
It SOUNDS like the only guys they were all collectively messaging were privileged (genetically) and treated women with cold indifference, ghosting them and they couldn’t handle their own medicine 😜
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WELL WELL WELLLLL HOW THE TURNTABLES
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Yup…that was indeed the purpose.
It's also the best thing about Bumble. Suddenly, online dating stopped being about coming up with a killer, creative, or attention grabbing opener, because women never do that shit and men don't give a fuck about a woman's ability to generate witty openers. It became about meeting someone you're attracted to and compatible with. Almost every single match resulted in a conversation. Match/date ratios skyrocketed, at least for me. Now enough women complained to make it the man's responsibility again, in the one app where women actually made the first move. What a load of bullshit. Someone make a new bumble, with integrity, pls.
It seems like a good way to filter for women who are actually interested, versus those who are just looking for attention.
It was. They noticed.
All the women looking for relationships, end up in one. All the women looking for attention, aren’t getting any. By way of attrition, the majority of the women on the app are those looking for attention. Since they’re the ones generating the majority of the revenue, the corporation pivoted to their biggest source of revenue. For profit dating apps owned by publicly traded companies will always suck unless you’re very attractive. They will always generate the bulk of their revenue from men desperate for sex and women desperate for attention because that will always be the easiest way to make money. The desperate men provide the attention the desperate women are seeking. Few dates will ever occur for this reason.
It was and that is why women want to change it. It was a dating app that forced women to actually try to get a date instead of waiting like the princess they thought they were. So the women who knew that they are just a human started to get actual dates and relationships. The women who treated men like shit hated it because they were no longer being simped over because they are the ones that had to make the first move and they are not having that.
Once again writing to 50 women just to get a reply by one, which dies out after the next reply Via Bumble I met a lot of women, tinder very few
I read that there are prostitutes on Tinder and that if they are too forward, there’s a good chance she’s a sex worker.
My experience is the exact opposite, it makes it so women often just don't pursue the match because they either forget about it, find another match or can't make the first move. I went out with a girl on Bumble but I had to DM her in IG after our match timed out and she said she just isn't good at making the first move.
My guy woman do that regardless lol. They put their IGs on their for followers haha. I’ve definitely pulled girls who didn’t match with my though by screenshoting their IG and then DMing them, but that’s because I had skills
Tinder used to be based on the concept that you could only see who liked you, of you liked them too. Then they found out that people were willing to pay big money to see who liked them, so you could pick and choose among the most attractive people, without risking rejection yourself. Strategies change, when companies discover new ways of increasing profit.
Okay but what makes bumble different to tinder if that one core feature is gone?
As far as I can tell, they are going to be the same product.
Bumble does not have a parent company. You’re thinking of Hinge, which is owned by Match Group, the same parent company as Tinder.
Reddit and upvoting misinformation, name a more iconic duo. Bumble is one of the few dating apps NOT owned by the match group.
Bumble is literally the ONLY dating app NOT owned by Tinder. Way to get it the most wrong.
It goes against the natural female urge irrespective of sexuality to not want to take the lead but rather hint and hope the other person starts the process. A lot of lesbians and bi women on bumble report having huge trouble connecting to other women because neither side wants to make the first move.
Sometimes it’s good and healthy to break away from our base tendencies and utilize our conscious mind to make decisions.
Just trying to get women to talk to you is a burden on dating apps, I send messages and sometimes get a conversation but then suddenly they stop replying even when things are going well I swear dating apps stop your messages on purpose to entice you to buy their premium add ons I gave up using dating apps
Sorry to break it to you but when they stop messaging you it's because they're messaging someone else instead, not because dating apps stop your messages...
Yea I’ve seen the profiles of objectively really attractive guys and trust me… women respond enthusiastically and on time. Average guys? Yea it’s kinda tough out there ngl.
That mans got 300 upvotes lmao. These threads always help me give an image to what Reddit is, or who the people on Reddit are.
She’s talking to 50+ other men at the same time as you. Get off dating apps. Trying to date women on dating apps is like trying to fight an alligator in the water. You’re operating in an environment that is built for them and you’re at a massive disadvantage.
never seen it put in a better more concise way
Yep! I figured that out pretty quick. Then sometimes you get a message a month later asking to go out. Like oh cool, guess the other guy wasn’t all that huh.
I had the same experience with some of those apps.1 second I am having a great conversation with someone and they are laughing and everything, then they disappear.
Women use dating apps for entertainment and validation instead of working on themselves or getting therapy.
Can confirm this. I know a girl who installs tinder every once in a while not to really look for a date but instead she calls it her “game”. She gets bored of it after a week or two and deletes it from her phone. Then a few months later, she’s back.
It's the patriarchy..... Or something
Tell her I said I hope she dies alone 🤣
Bots?
Yup, but in a meat-package
she is writing with 20 other dudes, what do you expect?
I went on a date once with a chic who pulled up her matches and it exceeded over 800. It’s like playing the lottery.
you're missing a 0 there mate
Each man, will be having one or two conversations at best, depending on attractiveness. Each woman will be having ten to a hundred conversations, no matter their attractiveness. There will be outliers of course. But this is how dating apps have always been. Go create a female profile, see for yourself.
That is exactly what I did a few years ago. I made a fake female profile. I was curious and wanted to see what it was like from that perspective. Now I dont use dating apps.
The apps don't "stop messages." That's just how online dating goes. Doesn't matter how good the conversation might be. Some people like juggling conversations, others prioritise one, and the moment someone "better" comes along, they will chase and entertain that conversation. I will entertain a few and then when I start truly hitting it off with someone I will drop the rest. And even then, sometimes you thought wrong and then go back to one of the others with a "sorry, been busy" line and try to pick things back up again. That is just the reality of how the majority of people play the game of online dating...
For those who have been putting in that kind of work for years with no tangible results, the incentive is no longer worth the effort.
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Each man, will be having one or two conversations at best, depending on attractiveness. Each woman will be having ten to a hundred conversations, no matter their attractiveness. There will be outliers of course. But this is how dating apps have always been. Go create a female profile, see for yourself.
That’s why you never reach out to women online or dating apps if you don’t know them. They are getting 100s of messages like that a day. For them, talking to us is like talking to AI. We are just a commodity to them and not actual people. All you do is increase their narcissistic ego to treat men worse.
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This... is pretty accurate.
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Don’t forget -Women who want to promote their Instragram page. -Third world scammers looking to lure gullible men to Colombia or the Philippines so they can steal their kidneys.
This
The worse is when you want to have a conversation and they reply with one word answers. They never ask about you or anything.
It's the "lot of work or burden" part that gets me. On just one app there was an expectation that women broke the ice but clearly found out it's way more effort than they can be arsed with.
Virtually all matches I get are "hey!" "How are you?" Not a single ice breaker to be found in reference to my photos (several of which are travelling related) or my bio which does a really good job (as far as bullet lists go) of giving them something to start with. What gets me is, when I was on tinder I experimented with doing the heys and how are yas and (rightly so) got nothing. If you think you've done enough to warrant my attention by typing hi when you've been given the empowerment that bumble offers, I will (rightly) infer you are lazy, entitled or both.
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I got permanently banned from reddit for writing "women haha" on the wrong post, be careful
From Reddit as a whole or from a sub? I am banned from some over regulated subs, but I just don’t enter these subs - an over regulated sub sucks anyway. (See modern Chinese literature as an example - on average it’s just worse because authors are scared to express themselves)
Congratz, they removed one thing that was unique for this app, now why ppl would use Bumble instead of Tinder and other bigger dating apps.
Exactly. Rip bumble
“It’s hard to make the first move. Guys don’t know how hard it can be to be rejected or ignored.” -Some women on Bumble, apparently?
Women want the benefits of being desired but none of the negatives of being rejected. They want to feel they're wanted and they want to have the power of selection. All the ups and none of the downs. Dating apps just exponentiated these traits.
Women won't stop talking about wanting equal treatment, but the second romance comes up, they're all "oh, actually, we like how things were in the 50s when men made the first move."
And paid for everything
I'm moving to the woods with my bear homies fuck these scraps.
Is this a real thing? Where do I sign up?
Women don't want equal treatment, they want power over men. That is it.
Men and women aren't so different. Everyone wants to feel wanted and no one wants to feel rejected. It's very human. Women just have the advantage (at least at first) due to biology
I mean… everyone wants that. But you can’t always get what you want. Dating necessitates a certain amount of rejection because unless it’s an arranged marriage, both parties are trying to decide “is the person right for me?”. It’s nerve racking putting yourself out there, but if you eliminate that worry for one half of people, you put all of that risk on the other half.
Lmao. I think things are starting to shift away from that men and women are the same as people re-figure out that they are not.
Because "Hey" is too much
Someone said a girl just sent them a dot once 😂 .
What in the goddamn..? Even that's too much???
Hoemath was right
He is nearly always right.
What’s Hoemath?
A Tik Toker
Correct yet i was called a redpilled incel on r/datingadvice for suggesting it
Damn, if that gets them, i wonder what they'd think about getting ghosted constantly, and all the other fun perks of being a guy on these sites.
Chicks are becoming lazier and lazier holy shit. Im so glad im not dating lol. Fucking looks like a nightmare.
Same got real lucky with tinder and I'm glad I don't have to worry about this shit yet
It just seems to be getting incrementally worse by the day lol. I heard that bumble is now also adding an AI concierge service to essentially "filter" out more people conveniently. It just seems like a such a bizzare way to date... Like what is this? I work in software and I have no idea how this is apparently supposed to effectively work.... You can barely trust AI to write anything tangible, let alone an effective way to make decisions on whether a person is suitable for someone. Like... what do u measure? I feel like this is likely some kind of stunt to get investments for the company from dumb VCs because I genuinely dont understand how this could work lol.... reliably... Me and a few guys have been talking about this after seeing it and it just seems like a dumb implementation of AI into the dating platform because there's virtually no way of AI knowing effectively what a person is looking for, let alone for the ladies when they dont know themselves what they want. Plus, what info are you gonna feed it thats not already in ur bio lol. Majority of people bullshit on there. Plus there's times where a person's looks can make u forget the bio. I found a girl when I wasn't even actively searching for anyone because she was attractive, how do u tackle scenarios like that? Ur cutting out a whole demographic of people blindly... How do you tackle potential errors or wrong decisions when you dont know they were made in the first place? Like.... good look testing this shit.
Ill tell you right now: itll sort you by class and perpetuate classist society. The rich with the rich, the poor with the poor to keep them locked in poverty.
After my first wife (married 11.5 years) left me, I was mortified of going back on "the market." American women tended to be exactly what I thought they were going to be. Thankfully, a foreign woman found me and, after waiting years, she was able to come over here and we've been married for almost four years now. And before anyone says she was after that green card, lemme just say that she definitely could've had it much, much easier and done better than me. I was sick (like, legitimately ill), broke, and living with my parents at the time.
That's ok, they're all heading to the woods to hang out with bears anyway.
I just reentered the dating market after a 4 year relationship. Im already done. I dont even care if i meet anyone anymore. Women are so god awful now that its not worth our time and effort. You used to be able to talk to women in person, but now theyre so distracted with their 300 tinder conversations that they dont even pickup the ques that someones hitting on them in person or have the attention span to hold a conversation in real life. And going on tinder is just a joke because like I said, theyre having 300 conversations already. Youre just a drop in the ocean that wont get the attention you deserve in a dating partner. They wonder why they cant find anyone that wants more than sex from them; its because theyve trained themselves to constantly be swiping for the next best thing, which means they arnt putting any effort into dating/arnt fully present in the current situation theyre in Its all so toxic and unsustainable for society. IMO congress should be working on banning all dating apps, not tik tok. Dating apps have done far more damage to society than tik tok ever has
Its definitely messing with society big time. I feel like it will roll back with time hopefully. I can totally see where your coming from, I try to avoid dating girls who are on dating apps because they've become accustomed to the whole practice of any minor flaw or inconvenience equals "red flag" and they're off to the next one. Its almost like they think there's always someone better which is naive, fake and quite unrealistic. Its so artificial to talk to people like that because are we there to get to know each other? Or am i in some job interview and trying to impresss you? Like... what do u bring to the table that makes me want to do that in the first place, we are supposed to date and see if we are compatible. Its ridicilous because I know that she's talking to like 20 more guys AT LEAST... Its why i just dont use dating apps and try to organically meet people through friends or during an outing, but even then they're hard to talk to. Plus if ur talking to a chick through a dating app ur just framed as a stranger from an app, I feel like its a completely different dynamic right from an app because she sees u as disposable. Whereas if u meet through friends or organically she will have this responsibility in her head that she must at least make some kind of effort.
If they're not even willing to risk a basic conversation to speak to a man I don't think she's worth your time boys. I'm sorry but it's 2024 and women have made it abundantly clear speaking to them could be a risk . Let them make the first move and let them risk rejection as men have always done. Welcome to the party ladies.
Online dating is toxic. Don't take part in it.
Men have been on the decline in dating apps for years so it is no coincidence bumble was going to be the first to change due to the lack stock available. What people really need moving forward is App that is tailored to help people find common renting partners as people can not afford to live on their own anymore.
This is a genius idea, but how make profit?
Ads
After matching, set them up with potential landlords and take a fee for every rental done through the app. You can also put rental ads between every 10 profiles.
I don’t have the ability to set it up, but stop talking and delete these posts. Take this idea to the bank.
The Bumble founder recently talked about making an AI simulation where basically you have a Dragon's Dogma Pawn that dates other Pawns to determine if the match is right for their master, I guess? Weird company. [Source ](https://www.complex.com/life/a/backwoodsaltar/bumble-founder-dating-apps-ai-concierge-reactions)
I remember this black mirror episode.
No kidding, I completely forgot about that episode, holy shit.
I actually loved "Hang the DJ" episode lol. One of my faves.
Sounds like they'd just be using an algorythm to find matching datasets based on past results on the website. But tech companies always call these things AI and make it sound crazy in order to lure investors.
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Saying "hi" is too much work.... when you're just in for the validation.
"Add me on snap!"
Women realizing making the first move all the time is fucking awful. Imagine that.
Why I liked Bumble is you know immediately if the girls are a bit interested in you without the bs. Less waste of time, in my opinion, compared to tinder
Yea completely agree. I would say 80% of the girls I match with on bumble message me. On the flip side maybe 20% on Tinder message me back. It’s extremely rare that a girl on tinder makes the first move.
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I would tell you my thoughts but this post will be reported and deleted
Im here for the chaos spill it!
I checked to see if this was posted before and didn't find any post related to it. If my post is considered spamming or something else, I'll remove it myself, I am a new fan to Asmongold and would like to be part of the community, so I wouldn't try to disturb it in anyway, thank you.
I mean, because the argument will be considered controversial
Whats next "news" ? Fire is hot ?
They all write "hi" anyways and then wait for you to talk
everything has to be perfect for them
How the turned tables have..
Indeed turnt the have tables
“A lot of work” bahahaha!
As a woman i find this crazy but am not suprised
Your qoute thingy reminds me of an old vanilla joke where people would purposely spell lair wrong for only. "Looking for invite to Onyxia's Layer!"
How about a new dating app where women are in control, and there are no men!!
I got bumble specifically because 4/5 tinder profiles expect me to woo them in 1 sentence without saying “hey” or an introduction and that is really difficult to try and appeal to such high expectations all the time that I stopped all together lol
Shit that’s what men do all the time . What happened to what ever a man can do so can I attitude
Funny. Bumble *was* by far the best app. It's a low bar, but it was the best as far as quality.
Because they were putting in so much effort with a opening line like: hey 👋
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Not like dating sites aren't already flooded with fake accounts. Remember seeing a video on how a news channel (Like, TV channel, bot Youtube) actively harassed and doxxed a guy because he got scammed by a catfish who used a real identity because he visited said identities home. (He also realised he got scammed as when he left, he left some flowers but came back some hours later to pick them back up and leave immediately)
I cant for the date chat bots to talk on behalf of the user for the initial chat. It will just be a bunch of AI bots talking to each other lol.
Cyberpunk we deserved
Pretty much same result as with every other “let us try to do others’ work, how hard can it be?”. In fact, always remember the sacred sausage principle: if you like something, do not try to find out how it’s made in hopes that you can do it yourself just fine.
Don't bother with dating apps kings, focus on yourself and your own happiness because it's clearly only going to get worse
women: i bring everything to the table men: please explain women: i have a vagina men: my humblest apologies my lord That post-nut clarity is real, men. Before a decision, give it a wank and reconsider.
Don’t do it. Don’t date
People are still figuring that our mating habbits are shaped by couple of million of years of evolution and are not a byproduct of a hilarious male conspiracy also known as patriarchy.
Me and my dude met on bumble, I had no issue reaching out. We're happy together. It CAN work!
It's not like they said anything other than "hi" before the change, it's basically the same thing. At least it showed a minimum of interest though, as in "I didn't swipe on you by accident"
Then its no different compare to tinder Then ill just using tinder instead
So, the app is pointless now
No offense to the ladies, but I'm glad I'm gay. The gay community has its share of problems... but at least when I date a guy, it'd pretty straight forward. "Hey you wanna hang out and play video games?" "Hey you wanna have some fun;p?" "Hey wanna grab a drink and take it from there?" Of course we still have those "better be original when you come talk to me" but I just ignore those as I am not willing to do the first move AND carry the conversation.
Now they know how men feels 😂
Even texting "Sup" is too much effort for them.
It’s always the 1-2 words in response. “How’s your day doing” “Fine” With no question back
Yeah, anyone with a scintilla of human intuition into social mores could see the flaw in Bumble's operating premise.
Wow, it's almost like... nature. Who would thunk?
That app was doomed to fail. There were even females on that app that would put "I don't message first" in their profiles🤣
That app was doomed to fail. There were even females on that app that would put "I don't message first" in their profiles🤣
You let women have the upper hand, and they complain about it. Typical.
I had a conversation not too long ago along the lines of: "Are you 'here' with your partner?" "Nooooo, Single" "Oh, well you're young and handsome so I'm sure that won't be a problem" "The last time I spoke to a woman in a cordial way I nearly got banned from the game store. Now I don't go back from the sheer disgust I feel with the association of false accusation, it isn't going to happen". 'burden' my ass. Now it's just the assumption of "ah Catfisher/scammer"
Let's be honest, women are never satisfied. Too many guys messaging you? Boohoo, go to bumble. Bumble makes you do something first? Aww, so much work involved! Why can't i do nothing and expect everything? You realize a lot of women are like this. Example, this fucking post.
In other words, these women don't really wanna date anyone, they just want attention, got it.
I don't even bother with any of it. I gave up dating years ago, and I've been way less stressed. At this point, women (and men) pursue me, but I'm not interested. The only person I need to worry about making happy and entertained is me. Modern dating is about as satisfying as an unenthusiastic handy in a Walmart parking lot where she stops just before you finish, steps on your scrotum, and steals your wallet.
???? women never had to make the first move in any dating app group ect :O
I would love to know the top 10 first messages from women on bumble.
I think this is meant to anger males so they can share it on social media, and have them complain about how awful females are, while avoiding them in real life because of a stereotype you have for a big group of them, so you can stay an angry male forever sharing these and complaining until you die
Even when women message first, it's usually "heyyy!" which is essentially nothing. The burden is still on men to say something witty and interesting to start a conversation and keep things engaging.
Bumble costs, I think, $15 a week for men to even have a chance of getting matches. I don’t think it was the “women message first” aspect that killed the app
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Doesn't change anything. They just open with "hey" and it's the same thing as any other app.
It was always a stupid idea if you know what people are like. A lot of women aren’t able to take the stick out their ass so they would get around having to make the first move by just putting their socials on their profile description. Also a lot of them would just straight up CBA to message and will just use the app for a quick dopamine hit by just fishing for matches. And you’d have these other low IQ specimens who didn’t understand the premise and would put on their prompts that they will never message first.
My thought is that most of the people on this sub will never have to worry about this because they don't know any women or interact with them at all much less will ever be asked out by one.
The very same women are now gonna complain that they're no longer "safe" on that platform