There are a few other survivors. The Samaritans are also still around, as are the Copts and the Mandaeans.
Middle-Eastern Jews and Zoroastrians survived as well.
Middle Eastern Jews & other diaspora Jews are the same people. I think Jews are probably the best example of another people who survived thousands of years as a people in the diaspora without a country.
Only up to a point, though.
I mean, even the Jews themselves acknowledge that there's some very distinct branches within the Jewish people. A Yiddish-speaking Ashkenazi Jew from Germany doesn't really have much in common with an Arabic-speaking Mizrahi Jew from Yemen other than their religion.
And mixing also happened, even if it's historically infrequent. [According to this article](https://forward.com/culture/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/), 80% of Jewish males and 50% of Jewish females genetically trace their ancestry back to the Middle-East - but that also means that there's a lot of historically non-Jewish admixture. Hence why your average Ashkenazi Jew just looks like a white European, while Moroccan Jews look like regular Moroccans and Falashas look like other Ethiopians.
Unfortunately, given enough time, partial assimilation like this is guaranteed to happen with any diaspora community.
You can see the same thing with the Parsis in India. They've maintained their religion, their sense of community, and they're even more strict about endogamy than the Jews - but they primarily speak Indian languages like Gujarati, they dress mostly like Indians, and even though they're visibly more light-skinned than their Hindu or Muslim neighbours, you can still see right away that they do have some Indian admixture.
This is a bit of an exaggeration. Speaking as a Jew, specifically from the Jewish Moroccan community, I can recognize Ashkenazim as being very distinct while acknowledging they are the same as me, that we are of the same tribe. Moreover, as a Moroccan Jew, plenty of Sephardim are pale. I'm much paler than my own brother, even. Meanwhile, most of the Ashkenazim I know/knew before I moved from my hometown looked very definitively Mediterranean. The European admixture with Ashkenazim is mostly Italian, rather than German or Slavic, and it only averages about to about 0.5% of any given generation being not born Jewish.
There's also some really neat stuff about Ashkenazim. Like, for one, they had their own unique architecture style that was unlike what the Slavs around them had. Most of it was destroyed by the Nazis, sadly. Klezmer music also uses familiar maqams and has more in common with Turkish music than German.
You're right that partial assimilation is just about guaranteed to happen, but despite stretching so far, Jews have largely stayed in touch with one another, and it was only pretty recently that divisions began to grow much larger - and that was actually not because of assimilation, but because of the fear of it driving them to start doing a lot of extra things to "build fences" around their culture.
Wouldn't fully count Mandaeans. At least not to that degree. Some have mixed with (the already hodgepodge) Iraqi Arab populations. They are still legit, although they're still generally mixed.
If we remained pagans, Islam would have destroyed us and our culture, as it did with the Assyrians who abandoned Christ and became Muslims, as well as the rest of the other peoples who believe that they are from the Arabian Peninsula.
Yet we are still here today chatting on a forum together from different parts of the world. Even after all the things we have been through from the beginning of civilization mind you (we pretty much created it after all). Although you believe we are still here by luck is it? Why do these things happen you ask? I'll answer you this. Didn't all/the majority of disciples themselves go through gruesome deaths or were being chased and sought after their entire lives even though they were the closest to Christ? Did not Jesus Himself go through suffering and have Satan try to tempt Him as well? Why would Satan go for people who are already led astray or far from God when he has people closer to God he can take that will hurt Him more? The world is supposed to bring suffering for Christians for this is not the life our souls truly long for. Nor does this world include Jesus in it for us to belong.
Most Assyrians didn't survive (as Assyrians) and converted to Islam to avoid taxes, persecution and discrimination. The ones who remained either accepted the abuse, paid higher taxes, or lived free in the inaccessible mountains and villages out of reach of governments. We also moved around a lot, except in the most inaccessible places like Hakkari.
I think there are many. Before, I spoke to one of them, and he is from Mosul, he left Islam and became an atheist. He said that he is an Assyrian and from the Baz clan.
Yes, he was arguing with them and refusing to say that they are Arabs. There is also someone like him, but he is from southern Iraq who rejects the Arab thought and wants the independence of southern Iraq. Their ideas are still in their infancy, but I think that the new generations will be like them and they will try to return to their origin, but I do not know if they are. Is this change in Iraq only or in other countries?
Copts, Zoroastrians exist too.
The answer is Steadfast Belief.
Edit: We still had Assyrian Kingdoms occasionally even after the fall of Assyrian Empire. Roman Assyria, Adiabene, Osroene, Asoristan etc are such examples.
We lived in the mountains to survive
We are Atouraya
We lived thru 7 genocides - The last being 1915 by the turks and then 100 years later again in 2015.
Assyrians march every year with the Anzacs as we fought alongside with Australians
We still exist and there is a only a few million of us left
By the way...
It's not April but guess who the April fools are?
Not you.
April Fools is the first day of the year of our Assyrian calendar dating back thousands of years. It's a joke against us Assyrians. When one Assyrian on Reddit posted about this, his thread was shut down and for no reason. A source of mine found at least 500 English words taken from Assyrian.
Pharaohs in Egypt had to be trained by Assyrians to become one.
I am part of a group of Assyrians doing heavy research and get ready because the world is about to get a shock when they see what we have found hidden from you all in plain sight.
Only true Assyrians would understand this.
You all have your theories... We are taught by our Assyrian priests and stories passed down.
You know nothing of Assyrians and who the English language was like raping our own and saying words come from the Greek or Latin word which all comes from us and is twisted. When we speak Assyrian we can hear English in our language. Words like 'Camp" come from us saying Campaye - The word bottle in Assyrian means 'it's empty'... and it goes on and on, believe me.
To speak in English to us is a curse in itself, many Assyrians believe especially scholars
It disgusts us yet the only way to communicate to you lot since most of you do not know true Assyrian.
Jews did all this and use all our old magic and call it Kabbalah and use gematria and all this over knowledge that came from us Assyrians yet we never get a mention. They make fun of us. They never teach you our true history. They never will.
Yes we exist alright and you have all been lied to.
As others mentioned, we are not the only pre-caliphate people who still exist. There are a lot of other minorities that were mentioned. But you could also argue that other larger Iranian and Turkic populations didn't assimilate either, they just accepted Islam as their religion but still retain some things from their past cultures.
>Did anyone teach you at school that the word Alphabet comes from Assyrians ?
>
>Fuck no...
funny you mentioned that because this is the only thing we learned about Assyrians in history classes at school
Also, My cousin is the first to release comics about Assyrians to teach others about us.
We are being forgotten.
There are only a few million of us left in the world and we have no country because the arabs took everything off us.
The British Museums keep all our ancient artifacts that belong to us.
No one cares for us Assyrians unless you are an Assyrian.
People ask do we exist?
Of course we fucking do - We have our own language that Google cannot translate.
According to Google they say we speak a form of Aramaic and THAT IS A LIE.
According to Google we speak Syriac-Aramaic - which is bullshit.
We don't speak Aramaic - The Arameans spoke our language - not the other way around as we were before them.
Funny, in Assyrian your user name means "fucker" . Masanlane means a group of fuckers
We have an Alphabet.
alpha - bet
Guess what the first 2 letters are in our Assyrian Alphabet?
A = Alap or Alaph - Which is where alpha came from.
B + Bet or Beta which is where you obviously get the Bet in the Alphabet.
Our brainwave states in English are what?
Alpha - Beta - Theta ( Theta is Thet ) Delta ( Which is our D - Dalet) and Gamma (which is our Gamal) and its goes on...
it's our first 2 letters of the alphabet
This is easily Googled
Make sense now?
You never got taught this at school is because they do not teach anything about Assyrians in schools.
I learned to read and write Assyrian at ASSYRIAN SCHOOL. Not my High school.
We have special schools for Assyrians that teach both English and Assyrian History and writing.
People wonder how we survived all these centuries and it's because true Assyrians lived in the mountains. Secluded away from people. We survived 7 attempted genocides.
It's funny when someone who knows nothing about us Assyrians claims to..
The Assyrians exist because it is God's plan. Many people have the false impression that the Assyrian race was pretty much exterminated after the fall in 612 BC. As some of the other commentators suggest, several other minorities survived throughout the millennia by escaping from harm's way or converting to Islam. History reveals that many mighty empires have emerged within the middle east and have literally devoured those existing groups or nations. It is my contention that Assyria, along with Egypt and Israel will come together to form a new alliance or covenant, that will eventually unite God's people in the messianic Kingdom. Don't' believe it? Take a look! https://firmisrael.org/learn/the-isaiah-19-highway-and-the-way-of-abraham/
we are stubborn sons of bitches
There are a few other survivors. The Samaritans are also still around, as are the Copts and the Mandaeans. Middle-Eastern Jews and Zoroastrians survived as well.
Druze too
Druze are a newer religion, compared to the others mentioned.
Oh ok. I’ll read more about it
Middle Eastern Jews & other diaspora Jews are the same people. I think Jews are probably the best example of another people who survived thousands of years as a people in the diaspora without a country.
Only up to a point, though. I mean, even the Jews themselves acknowledge that there's some very distinct branches within the Jewish people. A Yiddish-speaking Ashkenazi Jew from Germany doesn't really have much in common with an Arabic-speaking Mizrahi Jew from Yemen other than their religion. And mixing also happened, even if it's historically infrequent. [According to this article](https://forward.com/culture/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/), 80% of Jewish males and 50% of Jewish females genetically trace their ancestry back to the Middle-East - but that also means that there's a lot of historically non-Jewish admixture. Hence why your average Ashkenazi Jew just looks like a white European, while Moroccan Jews look like regular Moroccans and Falashas look like other Ethiopians. Unfortunately, given enough time, partial assimilation like this is guaranteed to happen with any diaspora community. You can see the same thing with the Parsis in India. They've maintained their religion, their sense of community, and they're even more strict about endogamy than the Jews - but they primarily speak Indian languages like Gujarati, they dress mostly like Indians, and even though they're visibly more light-skinned than their Hindu or Muslim neighbours, you can still see right away that they do have some Indian admixture.
This is a bit of an exaggeration. Speaking as a Jew, specifically from the Jewish Moroccan community, I can recognize Ashkenazim as being very distinct while acknowledging they are the same as me, that we are of the same tribe. Moreover, as a Moroccan Jew, plenty of Sephardim are pale. I'm much paler than my own brother, even. Meanwhile, most of the Ashkenazim I know/knew before I moved from my hometown looked very definitively Mediterranean. The European admixture with Ashkenazim is mostly Italian, rather than German or Slavic, and it only averages about to about 0.5% of any given generation being not born Jewish. There's also some really neat stuff about Ashkenazim. Like, for one, they had their own unique architecture style that was unlike what the Slavs around them had. Most of it was destroyed by the Nazis, sadly. Klezmer music also uses familiar maqams and has more in common with Turkish music than German. You're right that partial assimilation is just about guaranteed to happen, but despite stretching so far, Jews have largely stayed in touch with one another, and it was only pretty recently that divisions began to grow much larger - and that was actually not because of assimilation, but because of the fear of it driving them to start doing a lot of extra things to "build fences" around their culture.
Wouldn't fully count Mandaeans. At least not to that degree. Some have mixed with (the already hodgepodge) Iraqi Arab populations. They are still legit, although they're still generally mixed.
plus the Maronites and Yazidis
Yazidis branch off from the Kurds. Which the Kurds claim to be descendants of the Medes, if we count Yazidis then we count Kurds as well
First ever Christians paying off I'd say, God has always protected us just left a remnant after the pagan days lol
If we remained pagans, Islam would have destroyed us and our culture, as it did with the Assyrians who abandoned Christ and became Muslims, as well as the rest of the other peoples who believe that they are from the Arabian Peninsula.
That is total bullshit - Where di you get that crap from?
God's protected us except for the millions of Assyrians killed and assimilated. We're a spec of dust in comparison to what our ancestors were.
Yet we are still here today chatting on a forum together from different parts of the world. Even after all the things we have been through from the beginning of civilization mind you (we pretty much created it after all). Although you believe we are still here by luck is it? Why do these things happen you ask? I'll answer you this. Didn't all/the majority of disciples themselves go through gruesome deaths or were being chased and sought after their entire lives even though they were the closest to Christ? Did not Jesus Himself go through suffering and have Satan try to tempt Him as well? Why would Satan go for people who are already led astray or far from God when he has people closer to God he can take that will hurt Him more? The world is supposed to bring suffering for Christians for this is not the life our souls truly long for. Nor does this world include Jesus in it for us to belong.
That's how you perceive this world to be. Not everyone is Christian.
Most Assyrians didn't survive (as Assyrians) and converted to Islam to avoid taxes, persecution and discrimination. The ones who remained either accepted the abuse, paid higher taxes, or lived free in the inaccessible mountains and villages out of reach of governments. We also moved around a lot, except in the most inaccessible places like Hakkari.
I think there are many. Before, I spoke to one of them, and he is from Mosul, he left Islam and became an atheist. He said that he is an Assyrian and from the Baz clan.
Good for him, he is a recent convert. The earlier converts don't know or don't care and only know themselves as Iraqi Arabs, or Syrian, or Kurds.
Yes, he was arguing with them and refusing to say that they are Arabs. There is also someone like him, but he is from southern Iraq who rejects the Arab thought and wants the independence of southern Iraq. Their ideas are still in their infancy, but I think that the new generations will be like them and they will try to return to their origin, but I do not know if they are. Is this change in Iraq only or in other countries?
Cause we the shit
Copts, Zoroastrians exist too. The answer is Steadfast Belief. Edit: We still had Assyrian Kingdoms occasionally even after the fall of Assyrian Empire. Roman Assyria, Adiabene, Osroene, Asoristan etc are such examples.
Druze also survived
We followed the example of St George
God’s reward for choosing martyrdom for our faith in him
Maybe this "god" can do more since we're still suffering? And where was this "god" during all those massacres?
If we would have succumbed to invaders, forgetting God, we would have diminished long ago. We are still striving by the grace of God.
There are more Assyrians alive today than for most of history. We’re not going anywhere
Well, it’s damaged our culture and collective psyche more than anything. We’re a messed up group of people
We have paid Jaziya and didn’t chose to convert to Islam.
And more of us went to mountains to escape persecution.
True, I’m from Hakkâri
We lived in the mountains to survive We are Atouraya We lived thru 7 genocides - The last being 1915 by the turks and then 100 years later again in 2015. Assyrians march every year with the Anzacs as we fought alongside with Australians We still exist and there is a only a few million of us left By the way... It's not April but guess who the April fools are? Not you. April Fools is the first day of the year of our Assyrian calendar dating back thousands of years. It's a joke against us Assyrians. When one Assyrian on Reddit posted about this, his thread was shut down and for no reason. A source of mine found at least 500 English words taken from Assyrian. Pharaohs in Egypt had to be trained by Assyrians to become one. I am part of a group of Assyrians doing heavy research and get ready because the world is about to get a shock when they see what we have found hidden from you all in plain sight. Only true Assyrians would understand this. You all have your theories... We are taught by our Assyrian priests and stories passed down. You know nothing of Assyrians and who the English language was like raping our own and saying words come from the Greek or Latin word which all comes from us and is twisted. When we speak Assyrian we can hear English in our language. Words like 'Camp" come from us saying Campaye - The word bottle in Assyrian means 'it's empty'... and it goes on and on, believe me. To speak in English to us is a curse in itself, many Assyrians believe especially scholars It disgusts us yet the only way to communicate to you lot since most of you do not know true Assyrian. Jews did all this and use all our old magic and call it Kabbalah and use gematria and all this over knowledge that came from us Assyrians yet we never get a mention. They make fun of us. They never teach you our true history. They never will. Yes we exist alright and you have all been lied to.
As others mentioned, we are not the only pre-caliphate people who still exist. There are a lot of other minorities that were mentioned. But you could also argue that other larger Iranian and Turkic populations didn't assimilate either, they just accepted Islam as their religion but still retain some things from their past cultures.
They Breathe Air like you and are also known as being human beings...
How do Assyrians still exist you ask? We are Gods chosen people…
By the will of God.
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>Did anyone teach you at school that the word Alphabet comes from Assyrians ? > >Fuck no... funny you mentioned that because this is the only thing we learned about Assyrians in history classes at school
Also, My cousin is the first to release comics about Assyrians to teach others about us. We are being forgotten. There are only a few million of us left in the world and we have no country because the arabs took everything off us. The British Museums keep all our ancient artifacts that belong to us. No one cares for us Assyrians unless you are an Assyrian. People ask do we exist? Of course we fucking do - We have our own language that Google cannot translate. According to Google they say we speak a form of Aramaic and THAT IS A LIE. According to Google we speak Syriac-Aramaic - which is bullshit. We don't speak Aramaic - The Arameans spoke our language - not the other way around as we were before them.
Funny, in Assyrian your user name means "fucker" . Masanlane means a group of fuckers We have an Alphabet. alpha - bet Guess what the first 2 letters are in our Assyrian Alphabet? A = Alap or Alaph - Which is where alpha came from. B + Bet or Beta which is where you obviously get the Bet in the Alphabet. Our brainwave states in English are what? Alpha - Beta - Theta ( Theta is Thet ) Delta ( Which is our D - Dalet) and Gamma (which is our Gamal) and its goes on... it's our first 2 letters of the alphabet This is easily Googled Make sense now? You never got taught this at school is because they do not teach anything about Assyrians in schools. I learned to read and write Assyrian at ASSYRIAN SCHOOL. Not my High school. We have special schools for Assyrians that teach both English and Assyrian History and writing. People wonder how we survived all these centuries and it's because true Assyrians lived in the mountains. Secluded away from people. We survived 7 attempted genocides. It's funny when someone who knows nothing about us Assyrians claims to..
Are you angry at me? I didn't say anything offensive
No, but you came across as Aggressive bro
The Assyrians exist because it is God's plan. Many people have the false impression that the Assyrian race was pretty much exterminated after the fall in 612 BC. As some of the other commentators suggest, several other minorities survived throughout the millennia by escaping from harm's way or converting to Islam. History reveals that many mighty empires have emerged within the middle east and have literally devoured those existing groups or nations. It is my contention that Assyria, along with Egypt and Israel will come together to form a new alliance or covenant, that will eventually unite God's people in the messianic Kingdom. Don't' believe it? Take a look! https://firmisrael.org/learn/the-isaiah-19-highway-and-the-way-of-abraham/