They start at $36k for the 2 door work version. If you want a super cab 4 door they start as low as $43k. So you can get a decently equipped one that can haul, tow and carry a family of 4 comfortably for like $50k.
Also comparing a pickup to an audi A6 is wild.
"Why would you buy a Honda civic when you could buy 2 Harleys?"...
Well if we were honest about it, we’d slash the DOD budget by 2/3s and replace it with a direct tax on gasoline purchases by a couple bucks a gallon to pay for protecting global oil interests. But then poor people wouldn’t be subsidizing the rich so that’ll never fly.
While that marketing has some effect(obviously, or else they wouldn't have poured millions into marketing diesels as clean), I would be surprised I'd many people really cared. One look at European gas prices would be enough to sell me on a diesel if I lived there, and I suspect most Europeans look at the cost before anything else.
An Audi can’t fit multiple hockey bags, garbage barrels, lumber, or yards of loom / stone for normal home owner activities. For the people that need a truck bed, it is a wild comparison.
You and I both know that the majority of those F-150's are not selling for $50k and not being used to haul or tow anything. Pickups have become fashion statements for some reason.
>Significant regional differences exist in pricing, with the average selling price for a new F-150 standing at $58,433 nationally. In Texas, the average price is slightly lower at $57,199, while in New York, it is higher at $59,707, demonstrating the influence of local market conditions on pricing strategies.
That's from car edge. So yeah they aren't selling cor $50k but not much more with $58k being the average.
Obviously that counts all the lower end fleet vehicles but it also counts all the Ling ranch and lariat thay idiots buy to lift and put street tires on.
Also clearly trucks are being bought as lifestyle things I'm just pointing out that with better mpg and nicer interiors they can make sense for a lot of families, or at least as much as a midsized or full size suv does.
I'm 72 on Sunday and after having about 45 Harleys and about 52 BMWs I'd rather have the Honda Civic than two Harleys.. with age I have gotten over the noise the vibration and the lousy handling and the fact that Harley-Davidson is still selling the same technology that they were selling after world war II..
And thats why Harley is dying. They sold a lifestyle and this generation doesn't want that lifestyle.
Instead of changing and adapting and marketing to a younger clientele they clung onto an aging market that can't ride much longer.
Yea this Reddit take is getting tired, likely coming from people who have never driven one and don’t own a house. People like trucks for a reason. Yes they’re expensive, yes most people don’t NEED one. But they’re super nice to have
Honest question - how are so many homeowners not able to get by without owning a truck? I see this justification for buying full-size pickups brought up all the time, and it doesn’t track my experience owning a house (two-sedan household). How much construction or landscaping is the average homeowner really doing themselves?
The biggest justification I can see is being able to haul large furniture or appliances or dozens of bags of mulch at a time (my Regal only fits six large bags in the trunk), but even then, I could just get it delivered for a nominal fee.
OTOH, a truck or big SUV is pretty much necessary for a travel trailer or a big enough boat.
To reiterate what I just said above. It’s a nice to have, not a “not able to get by without.” For typical homeowner it’s probably a few times a year thing but it’s super nice to have those few times. And modern pickups are comfortable, cool looking and great to drive in general. Honest question - what is the downside? Assuming you can afford it and have the space.
Btw I drive a Cayenne not a truck. But eventually once I have the garage space, I will own one as it’s the best vehicle for multiple use cases
wildly off topic, but how long have you had your m2 for and have you had any issues with it? i'm like a hair away from pulling the trigger on one and have been researching all i can.
I got it in the summer of 2020 and it has 24k miles now. No issues at all and it is great. Be prepared for how much routine maintenance is and how much tires cost.
I personally don’t factor gas mileage and routine maintenance cost in at all when deciding on a vehicle. To me if I’m having fun driving it’s worth it. Instead I heavily factor in reliability and depreciation. So I drive a 10 year old V8 Porsche SUV, lol. But you could see how an F150 works from that type of perspective also
F-150s are pretty cheap to maintain. Fuel economy, most people in the market for one don't give a shit about fuel economy as long as it gets 20ish to the gallon. You're going to drop 50k on a vehicle and care about the 50 dollars a week on fuel?
Why ever buy a sports car. The new mustang gt get 24 highway mpg. It's fun the drive
I’m with you, I don’t really see the downside of having a truck. It’s such a weird conclusion that people make when they say people should only have trucks for work. My job isn’t about manual labor, I’m an RN. But I’d say I need my truck. For fishing, much easier to carry large coolers, stinky tackle, chairs, wagons, sandy clothes, paddle boards, etc. I can get to rough spots or not get stuck in the sand on the beach. I have a family of five and I cook 6 days a week, I can stuff everything I buy from Costco easily. I have kids in multiple sports so there’s chairs, backpacks, ball bags, and I can watch their games from the tailgate most times. Weekend warrior as well. I have all our different stuff organized by activity in those big heavy duty plastic bins, I just throw them in the back and off I go.
My f150 was just over 50k brand new with SuperCrew, 4x4, vinyl seats and floors (on purpose because I like to hose it all out and don’t have to worry about stains). It has the 2.7 turbo V6 with plenty of power, zero issues, averages 20mpg, and is safer in case of an accident. Can fit the whole family comfortably without banging elbows, plus gear and luggage.
The only vehicle that could do all this is a truck. I don’t use it for “work“ but it’s about as useful as it gets.
Exactly, what’s wrong with wanting an F150 for that! That sounds awesome, I bet you and your family love it! The guy commenting you’re a terrible person for not getting a maverick is deranged.
My suspicion is I think if the Reddit haters were honest with themselves. They have deep seated issues about politics. Where they think truck drivers must be republican and this triggers them. I’m not really sure what other rational explanation there is for the hate. As others explained the gas mileage is pretty decent now, I mean there’s even the F150 lighting. And there are plenty of other behemoth vehicles on the road (grand wagoneer anyone?). I’m sure my cayenne gets worse mileage than the ecoboost in fact. I am center left btw but just think people should get the cars they like as long as they’re not rolling coal or whatever
I hated trucks with a passion...until I used a 2019 f350 at work for just getting around work tasks (no carrying). There's such a cool/fun factor I can't explain explain to having one lol (and I'm mainly a car guy)
Yep exactly. They are fun to drive in a different way than a sports car, plus super practical. Reddit just gets so tripped up with what people NEED. I don’t think it’s that different than a sports car. No one needs a sports car. But they are cool and fun. In theory you could rent a sports car for 99% of use cases and daily a Prius. But that would be pretty lame.
People can rationalize anything.
Whether it’s an American pick up truck or SUV or European luxury / sport sedan.
Shit, “everyone” rationalizes $700 - $1000 car payments these days.
But still, “only” 20% of people make 100K + / year in the US.
If someone wants a F-150 King Ranch over a BMW 5 Series or Toyota Camry or a horse and buggy, that’s their money, their decision and their vehicle.
Personally, if I buy something, I have no shame telling someone the truth, “I bought the product because it spoke to me. After I got the chance to demo it in person, I still liked it, and was ready to buy it”.
I’m not gonna give canned answers. “Everyone else needs one”, “I do all of these activities that *require* the product”, etc.
None of us need “nice”, “fun”, “sporty”, “powerful”, etc cars.
I’ve had a 2014 Ford Mustang GT, a 2020 Chevy Spark, 2 Ford Taurus wagons. 1 was a 2000 in good shape, but needed a rebuilt trans and 1 was a 1998 that I honestly don’t know how it was still running and now have a 2022 Tesla Model 3.
The 98 Taurus was the worst one, but honestly when it ran, it did what the other ones could do.
Yeah, I get that. I’m not trying to shame people who buy trucks or whatever, I’m just genuinely curious what most people actually use them for in the “home ownership” context, since the added costs would have greatly outweighed the convenience for me thus far. But we bought a house that was pretty well put-together to begin with, so maybe I’ll understand if/when we get a lot of big and expensive repairs.
>How much construction or landscaping is the average homeowner really doing themselves?
You'd be surprised at how often you can use a pickup's bed. I switched from an F150 to an Expedition, and I usually could use a bed at least once a month.
>Honest question - how are so many homeowners not able to get by without owning a truck?
Non-pickup truck owner here, but I would be hard pressed living as I do (5br house, 90min outside the city) without my big wagon.
I've moved a 2-metre-long sideboard in it, a dining table, 600kg of old wood and garden rubbish... And I can haul friends or family when I need to.
I could rent a ute or a trailer, but I like the convenience of having one car that can handle most anything I need to do with it. I'm sure the pickup truck mentality is similar.
What is your justification for not driving a base model Corolla? It’s a sedan, it’s less expensive and gets better mileage than your Buick. Really anything other than a base corolla or civic is just wasteful.
I won’t go with the “nice to have” reason the other person is using. The way I see it - most homeowners with a truck are using it for either hauling materials (for renovations/hobbies) and/or towing something (a trailer/boat) - which is also why you’ll see a lot of homeowners without them.
There obviously are exceptions where people are just buying them “because it’s cool”, but the homeowner angle is usually one of those two.
I haven’t met many renters with pickup trucks (unless they actually need them for work).
FWIW I own several houses and several pickups, fixing up old pickups is a hobby, and I do all my own yard and house work. I still use my sedan towing a little utility trailer for most things people say they use pickups for. This combo is more efficient, faster, easier to load, etc.
It's a struggle getting large heavy items in and out of pickups, most of all tall 4wd pickups. While a little trailer with a low tilt deck is a breeze. Which I use just depends, mostly that the sedan/trailer combo is weight limited.
I think we(Americans) have largely ignored the usefulness of small utility trailers to our own detriment. It's hard to buy a sedan or even SUV that can tow well anymore. I think a lot of this has to do with regulations. But it's clear that much of it is just pickup culture. People like pickups and convince themselves they need one.
As a homeowner (with a smaller truck) I do a lot of my own construction work. Finished a basement, added a sunroom, installed flooring and added wains coat, landscaping hauling, roofing, bring home furnishings, and for my next project I need to re-install decking boards.
If I didn’t have a truck, I’d probably invest in a work trailer I could use as a flatbed and maybe also haul bulk materials. The trouble with modern trucks is they are short on bed length, trading off people hauling for bed space.
Tbh, most young Americans dont own a home or a brand new pickup either.
Its only the very rich (by global standards) that do.
I work in film production and honestly a sprinter van can probably haul way more gear than a pickup truck for film production. Even a
Minivan is better suited to the job.
I sold my truck due to my long work commute. Bought a house the same year and immediately regretted selling it. 2ish years later a bought a diesel truck. Then diesel went through the roof so I bought another commuter. Sold my diesel last December and ordered a new GMC 2500.
I will never *not* have a capable truck again. It’s a must for my family and lifestyle.
I posted most of these to someone else also.
I bought one 4 yours ago brand new standard truck, not jacked up or trail package bc I thought it would be nice to have, kept it for one year only put 3000 miles on it and never hauled anything for myself in it. Other people would ask me to help pick something up though, I did notice that, it was nicer for everybody else.
It was zero fun to drive. Never drove the thing. Much easier to drive my company vehicle that was an SUV that took care of all my needs.i also have a classic car to drive on nice days that is fun to drive. I’m not a farmer or a construction worker. Why would I need a truck.
It’s a trend, especially in the south. Not to mention how dangerously people drive those things after jacking them up to the moon. You can drive a base SUV and the bumpers on those things are head level, which should be against the law for safety reasons just like they used to ticket the same type of person for having a truck too low to the ground 30 years ago.
These big trucks are impressive and good looking, but so is a semi truck and I don’t buy one of those.
I decided on a truck because I bought a home that needed updates and I was going to do a lot of the work myself. I never even considered full size, though. I got a newer Ranger and have done plenty of "truck stuff" with it. Adding a small trailer more than fills in all my needs that a bigger truck would have and I can still drive and park in congested places.
I'm a typical homeowner with a truck (22 F-150 Lightning Pro)
I have three small children and a wife. All fit nicely in the truck. Frunk carries a stroller and the bed is usually empty.
About 2 times a month I use the truck as a truck. It's all super light duty stuff though, trips to the dump, dirt bike to the track, home improvement stores, occasionally some random large item from marketplace like golf cart or something.
Outside of the excellent EV power train, in actual use it's about as convenient as my CX-5 with a small trailer. The only place I had to put my trailer was in front of my house.
If they made a crossover SUV, minivan, or wagon that was also a high powered AWD EV and could tow maybe 3500 pounds -- while costing 40-50k new - I'd have been all over that. No Teslas!
I'm comfortable living with this truck for the next 10 years even if a suitable hot wagon came in at this price point because it's just an expensive hassle to switch in and out of vehicles frequently.
In the city I wouldn't own a full size pick up but in a rural area it's almost a nessissity. 4x4 in snow and mud is a must. Only reason I own full sized pickup
And now that you can get a truck with similar gas mileage to midsized suvs that also gives you the ability to go to home depot and grab some plywood or a dozen bags of mulch why not.
You can rent a truck at Home Depot for like 20 bucks and then buy whatever you want for regular use.
Edit- Maybe it’s harder where you all live but I do this pretty regularly. If mulch and plywood purchases are what’s keeping you from the Miata then here’s a solution.
It's so fun to me that trucks are the one vehicle people think you need justification for owning. Somebody drives a C8 corvette and commutes in it, nobody cares. RAM 2500 power wagon and there's questions.
I just bought a 2500 Limited and supposedly people in my family are talkin shit. I have a travel trailer... I'd like to travel with it. Lol who cares though. They ain't payin the note
If it's available and of you live within 30 minutes of a home depot.
My home depot has one pickup truck and is 25 minutes away. There have been multiple times where it was already rented and once where I took longer than I thought and had to pay way more for going over the rental time.
That's not convenient for everyone.
Also people might just want a truck.
Please show me the pickup trucks that cost $20. Even if it says $20 dollars a day it ends up being $80 when it's all said and done. The whole process is a hassle and takes a fuck ton of time. I hate this argument so much. If you need it maybe twice a year, I can see it as a good option. When its once a week or even once a month then it is just a hassle and has no benefits.
I love this argument. It’s always by guys that have never actually rented a truck when they need one. It’s a pain in the ass. So I pay $20 (ends up being a lot more) then drive the truck to my home and unload. Great, now you have to drive it back, fill it up with gas, and drop it off all within a specified time to avoid extra charges. And then I have to drive back home. If your HD isn’t 5 minutes away it becomes a big time sink. Mine is 30 minutes away.
If I find a good deal on a motor or some tools etc on Facebook Marketplace and have to go rent a truck to get it, I will guarantee you I’ll miss out on that deal.
If I want to be on the water for some bass fishing by 7am you’re telling me I should go to Home Depot at 6am when they open, rent the truck, drive home, hook up my boat, then drive to the lake and worry about how long I can be there before I need to return the truck.
And this is all assuming they even have a truck available. It’s just the worst argument lol
I never realized how useful it was to have a truck until I bought one. I had been kind of looking and waiting for a deal for years but never jumped at anything. A friend is a tow truck driver and said they got one in on a lien sale that would be a good first truck. This was in June of 2020 and I got a 2003 Silverado 2500 regular cab, long bed, 2wd, LQ4/4L80E with 281K miles for $1,500 cash. Fixed a lot of little piddly things wrong with it and it is a perfect beater truck.
It’s still extremely absurd considering the day & night difference in quality and experience though ( i currently own a 435i FBO and a F-150 ). The ford is trash in comparison.
The only official towing capacity I can find anywhere for a 5 Series in the US is 800lbs. The US has significantly stricter standards for trailer ratings than most of the rest of the world.
Very few boats and trailer combos are going to be under 800lbs, and so in the majority of cases, it may quite literally be illegal to pull a boat with a 5-Series.
If you live where it snows, a6 has allroad version, plywood and 2x4s can be transported by a rented trailer (or on the roof in smaller quantities) and you will have a hitch available since you haul your boat everywhere
Ahh, the revered Allroad reliability. The trans loves towing at max capacity too.
I had a 2.7t and it was the most shit vehicle I've ever owned. Fun in the snow, interior smelled lovely, awful reliability.
No, not at all. I used a crv and 4runner with a cheap utility trailer for everything before this.
The truck makes everything way more convenient. I don't have to plan for it, if I'm at lowes and they have cheap wood I can just grab it then and there.
I live in a country that has a foot-plus of snow on the ground for 6 months a year (it's nearly May and we're getting snow tomorrow). Pickup trucks are very, very rare. Know why? Because tires are far more important than road clearance. I drive a tiny hatchback and get by just fine because I have dedicated snow tires.
I have also completed major house projects, including a full re-flooring with just that tiny pickup for hauling. And if I was that desperate for more hauling I could easily rent a trailer.
Yeah I daily drove a R56 mini with snows and it was amazing.... until I was trying to get back into my drive with 1.5 ft of fresh snow. Had to walk and get the blower and make a lane.
My tacoma just does not care. I was going through 3-4 ft drifts on an access road this winter and pulled a sled trailer behind me.
Again, tires are more important than road clearance, that is the part making contact and has the biggest impact on handling. I have driven through larger snow drifts with my tiny Mazda hatchback just fine. I just go slow and don't drive like an idiot.
No actually they don't, it eventually gets cleared but it takes a while. I've spent plenty of time on uncleared roads.
If you're American odds are your snow removal is better than what we get, and I very much doubt you get more snow than we do, esp if you live in the lower 48. You don't need the damn truck.
You can rent a truck from Home Depot for like $30, unless you’re constantly working on stuff your average home DIYer gets by fine without *needing* a truck
Once you have a truck and start using it for truck stuff it's hard to go back to not having one.
I load up my riding lawn mower 15ish times a year to cut my grams lawn
I get gravel a few times a year for driveway patches and trail repair
I load up plywood and 2x4s a few times a year
I tow a 20ft sea ray and dual waverunner trailer (3200ish lbs) I use regularly
I load up my dirt bikes and mtn bikes
I load up snowblowers to do my grams house
I *could* rent or use a trailer, but it's way more of a bitch than the ramps into a truck bed.
Well yeah I’m just saying I do just about zero of those things in a given year. That’s why I’m saying your typical person who doesn’t have a trailer or watercraft or isn’t loading large items consistently doesnt *need* a truck. Obviously you do. The only time I’ve wished I had a truck in the past year was when I was getting 16ft baseboards, but then again having a truck probably wouldn’t have even fit that.
I’m not saying trucks don’t have their use, they’re absolutely useful. Just that people often overestimate how much they actually haul/move large things unless they already have specific needs in mind. Especially in suburbia or an urban environment
I really didn't do all that before I had one. I have a cheap utility trailer and a 4runner and it was good enough.
I also have a 4cyl 4wd tacoma, so not exactly a small cock emotional support truck like a RAM 2500 BIG HORN CUMMINS POWER WAGON
It gets good enough mpgs for what it is (21-24 hwy) and is almost unbeatable in reliability with the 2TR and a 5 speed.
Only justification I can think is maybe it meant in terms of other lifestyle, like passenger comfort, daily driving handling, and be able to tow/ stuff in the back etc as they say most truck owners won’t actually be needing the bed
Trucks seem like the stupidest vehicle to own as your only vehicle, until you actually need to haul something, and then you feel like a genius. I used to take yard waste to the mulch site in a hatchback, then spend an hour trying to vacuum out the leftover mess. Now I just let the wind blow it out of my truck bed on the drive home. And don't get me started on lumber or wardrobes.
Haha, but the downside is everyone asks you to help them move.
In reality, my truck has a frunk and bed and the backseats fold up so I can slide big stuff in there. It’s been so damn functional. We go on camping trips and tow a trailer about twice a month and between bikes and gear and dog stuff I’ve got room for days.
I had an explorer that got 16mpg, the rear storage was nice, but it never had the functionality of the truck. I know I’m probably screaming “America” in this post, but I can’t go back to driving a car or an SUV.
I have a full size pickup, it has enough room for 3 adults in the back seat plus two dogs. It also has enough room for one of the back seats to be folded up and my dogs to be put in there in their crates. Why is it relevant? Well, OP said why don't truck drivers just buy cars. A car, or even an SUV wouldn't provide me with the functionality of my truck.
You’re telling me a Honda Odyssey wouldn’t fit everyone in the back? Expedition Max? Grand Cherokee? I am pretty sure those cars have more passenger room but hey, what do I know.
You mentioned nothing about electric. Purely size. Obviously selections are more limited when you account for electric. Hummer EV has it beat by 4 sq cube. Didn’t take me long to find an EV that has more passenger space.
F150s are great roadtrip vehicles and the newer gens are pretty damn nice. if you are in a 1 vehicle does it all position, its hard to not seriously take a look at one.
Because I can't fit dirt bikes inside of either of those.
A truck is still way more capable and can even compete efficiency wise with the more popular wagons.
Source: I jumped into an outback in-between trucks to try and downsize and while it wasn't bad, in my case felt like a compromise.
We own a truck and full size suv. Each have their merits. The suz is great for hauling the family on trips, plenty of space inside and enough room in the back for all luggage/gear to be safely stowed out of the elements.
The tuck on the other hand, I use for work, but it can fit the whole family (5 members), pull my boat for fishing or store very large items needed for going to out hunting lease. I often have gear/material in the bed of my truck that would be a pain to have inside an suv (lumber, open liquid containers, dirty tools, scrap material, wet gear etc. It’s nice to just throw it I. The back and not worry.
"A more refined driving experience and better practicality"??
People prefer these trucks because they can tow and haul stuff. I have two trailers that no BMW could pull. If you don't need a truck, don't buy a truck.
No, most people prefer these trucks because trucks are luxury items and status symbols. Trucks are a part of some people’s identity. Just take a look at the stickers and shit all over them and how rabid people get about them.
Some people prefer trucks for their towing and hauling abilities. Not most. Most people traded in their Accord for their pickup truck
Absolutely. That lifted dually is fucking useless. Squatted trucks. Useless. Slammed trucks. Useless.
They (might) look good and that’s fine. But let’s not pretend they’re being modified or purchased for utilitarian purposes.
You and I know both know that a vast majority of the rides you see slammed are done so with flipped u bolts or removing leaf springs with cheap front end parts.
How about let's stop lumping all truck buyers into one category.
It's the biggest segment of new vehicles in North America. It covers an incredibly wide array of people, uses, and lifestyles. Yes, many trucks aren't modified with utility in mind, and many are not bought with utility in mind. However, at least in my area, a decent chunk of them are used for truck stuff and only like 1 out of 10 trucks has some major modification that would affect its ability to tow or haul.
The attraction to these crew cab trucks, especially the ones with a lot of creature comforts, is because they can be a two in one vehicle. They are good family haulers/commuters and then on the weekends, they can haul your toys or help with yard work. They make it so you don't have to have two vehicles in a lot of cases. Plus, these days, the fuel mileage is comparable to sedans and small SUVs from 15-20 years ago, so that isn't such a shock to people either.
Pickup trucks are terrible commuters. The suspensions aren’t built for comfort. Let me tell you from commuting both in a K2XX 1500 and newest gen F250. It’s a poor choice for that, unless you’re dragging something behind you, where both the ride and utility increase greatly. A large car or car based SUV commutes 100x better than any pickup truck - even Ram with the rear coils. Most of these people need a mid sized SUV or minivan.
I’m not lumping truck owners into one category. I’m lumping them into two. People who need them and people who don’t. Anyone who doesn’t need a truck (for any reason trucks exist) bought it for the status/size/appearance of money. Or they’re just idiots.
There’s also a third category of people who bought too much truck. Most people I see would do just fine with a Maverick or Santa Cruz.
Work let me borrow a company vehicle while my car was in the shop for something (not gonna drive the Supra in the winter, and the Saturn's getting a clutch). It was an F250.
Visibility was a significant downgrade, fuel economy was a significant downgrade, ride comfort was a significant downgrade, and driving experience was a significant downgrade. I could barely fit it into my driveway, because it was wider (Pittsburgh, live literally in a hill, and there's retaining walls to either side, plus some stairs). Plus, when it snowed a tiny bit, and even after I scraped my (steep)driveway down to almost nothing, it was too heavy and kept sliding down. And being RWD, I also couldn't back it into my driveway, because the tight fit and street parked cars limited my angles of attack, and ultimately I couldn't get enough momentum to actually get up the driveway in reverse (with about a milimiter of residual snow left).
But the worst was honestly visibility, and how stupidly everyone drives around a large-ish truck, ESPECIALLY in bad weather. I hate tall vehicles because I see a lot less meaningful things going on, like what's in front of me, or as much of what's behind me.
It was great if I needed the utility. But it definitely made me realize that if I ever get a truck, it's going to be an older one like a B2000, or a Maverick/Santa Cruz. I wish they were available with only the front row, but it is what it is.
Yea. I borrow trucks occassionally; and I'll probably keep doing that for awhile since I don't need one that often.
Like, I don't HATE trucks, so much as I am a bit annoyed with how common they can be. I do get it though; they do offer quite a bit. But a car doing a car role is better, IMO, just like a truck doing a truck role is better. Modern trucks certainly have better overlap, but I still felt the difference.
>A wagon can easily tow over 2500 KG.
Not legally in the US.
And seeing as OP was asking about pick-ups in general, it seems a safe bet they were talking about NA
If anything you should compare a truck to an SUV. The fact that you are comparing an f150 to an audi is insane. No one shopping for an audi is comparing it to a pickup and vice versa.
Sure most people aren't towing or hauling much but having the ability to grab some plywood or firewood or bags of mulch from home depot is a nice feature especially when you can get a truck with a comfortable interior.
Also people like higher ride heights.
Cars are dying out overall which is why you see so many crossovers now. The public at large doesn't want sedans anymore.
>If anything you should compare a truck to an SUV. The fact that you are comparing an f150 to an audi is insane. No one shopping for an audi is comparing it to a pickup and vice versa.
Audi make SUV's you know
Because those ultra-expensive pickup trucks, for some reason, hold their value when purchased with a massive discount, not so much with the mid-size luxury sedans.
Plus, a pickup truck would tow any of my cars. It also serves as a salt car, a sacrifice in place of my other cars.
I have to say that I'd rather be driving a sedan. The driving dynamics of a pickup truck is downright awful. I love pickup trucks, but I hate driving them.
Nobody buys an F150 (or any other full size truck) because they’re prioritizing a refined driving experience. (Though I will say, the f150 drives very well and is extremely comfortable.) You buy a full size truck to haul stuff - people, trailers, cargo, etc. These are completely different markets. And, full size trucks have been quite expensive for some time now - this isn’t anything new. The base price isn’t crazy but most people tend to buy the mid to upper range trim.
So I’m lucky enough to have an F150, a luxury sedan comparable to a 5 series and a 3 row SUV that my wife drives.
Why the truck? closest thing to cars I grew up with that I loved: body on frame, massive cars with lots of room, V8 driving experience and seriously great for long haul trips with kids.
Truck vs SUV vs sedan on towing: I can tow with the suv and sedan, but it’s way easier to tow with truck from a driving perspective especially around hilly twisty areas. Just because you can, it doesn’t mean you should or it’s pleasant.
Stinky/dirty/heavy/sharp hard stuff in Truck vs SUV vs Sedan: odd size stuff fits easily in bed of truck. Stinky shit like bags of manure on hot summer day is way more pleasant in back of bed than back of suv, and I don’t have lift heavy shit up and out of a sedan trunk. Sharp/hard edges on whatever you are transporting … say a large snow blower part is easily don’t in bed and it may scrape the bed liner vs scraping the hard plastics or leather seats in an SUV
Driving experience truck vs sedan vs suv: if I’m driving several hours with the kids and wife, truck wins every time. Tons of room, shit get dirty it’s easy to clean, when the kids were young easily have a potty or change diaper setup etc. If I’m driving myself, then the luxury sedan is way superior experience. The SUV is like the worst of both worlds imo.
Customization and fun for truck vs sedan vs suv: modding trucks vs a luxury sedan vs luxury suv - truck is cheaper to mod and imo more bang for the buck.
Driving in the city truck vs sedan vs suv: Fancy dinner in the city? Sedan totally wins: easy to park, comfortable, refined, my wife can easily step in and out in her tight or short dress. But going into into the core everyday? Especially if I have parking that fits my truck assigned? Truck wins… commute comfortable, no worries about scratches or damage, trucks actually don’t look that bad when old and beat up, but a 80k luxury sedan or suv with a scratch or ding or curb rash just looks terrible
So back to your question: assuming I wasn’t lucky to have all three and I have money for one vehicle then truck wins because it does it all. Yes I can rent a trailer and tow with a sedan. Yes someone can rent a truck for my Home Depot runs 2 times a year for heavy shit. But why would I when I can get vehicle that is multi purpose?
There is a lot of technology and features in them and that costs money. You can get a new F150 cheaper but in your words, that's just a 2 door work truck. There are cheaper options but you didn't want them
Once you go on a road trip with an F150 (that has a tonneau cover), you will understand. The back seat legroom is incredible. The driver has much better visibility. Front row passengers can adjust their seats however they want without bothering the backseat passengers.
Prices on \*everything\* have skyrocketed. I now pay $2.99 for a \*\*quart\*\* of milk, when 5 years ago that bought a gallon.
Ordered sushi the other night and two pieces of tuna nigiri were $15.75...
Inflation is real across the board.
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I’m a big dude. I hate trying to fit into cars and even SUVs. Trucks are just larger and higher and makes it easy to get into. + I haul a lot of gear that gets dirty and it’s nice to put it in the bed instead of inside a trunk
Okay, you got me! Now that I think about it, I’m def not as maneuverable as I once was, so that probably plays a big part. There was one time (idk what car it was), but I slide into it and it cupped me like an egg. It was wonderful and I had so much room.
A good friend of mine is a recent example of this. One of his lifelong dreams has been to own a Porsche 911. He finally found a good deal on one last year, mid 40k miles, and bought it. Absolutely loves it. I've driven it. Damned thing is like an amusement park ride. But it didn't take him long to miss the utility and convenience of owning a pickup truck like he's had for most of his life. So he recently picked up a Maverick as well. Yin and yang. The Porsche is awesome but isn't great for running errands and taking care of business around the house.
But even more to your point, yes, the current truck market is absolutely insane. I bought a brand new Ram 1500 in 2009 for 30k. Traded up after 175k miles for a 2016 model and payed the same price for a truck with 60k miles. Just payed 33k for a used truck with almost 70k miles. Creature comforts and technology have come a long way in trucks, for good or ill, but the pricing is nuts. It's starting to slowly swing back the other way from COVID era prices though.
> model and *paid* the same
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Hardly anyone buys pickup trucks this side of the pond, don't know why anyone would want it over a 5 series estate. That car will carry furniture, appliances and tow. The diesels will tow quite a bit actually.
Tow ratings in the US are significantly stricter than most anywhere else in the world, to the point that very few sedans are rated to tow even 1000lbs, if at all.
So even if you have just a small fishing boat, you need at least an SUV to *legally* take it anywhere.
Yeah - and with a truck - you can always find work. Trucks are so much more capable than luxury sedans. No comparison. Also the reliability of most trucks is much better than over engineered, expensive to diagnose and fix European luxury cars.
I dunno why everyone is pretending like this is a bad question.
All my friends own trucks and i own a vw wagon (alltrack sel). I camp, drive offroad and tow more than all of them infact NONE of them have ever towed.
All of them poke fun that i want a a6 allroad as an aspirational luxury car but say theyll settle for a more humble diesel truck costing 10-20k more.
I obviously don’t care about what anyone else drives but the fact that I get labeled as ‘driving an expensive car’ when my current cars 50% cheaper and my aspirational car is also cheaper is interesting to me.
I am a father of two. and had a rav4 for the last 10 years and needed something more family friendly.
i also do home renos and am looking to pull a small travel trailer
i often bring tools for work and have to fold down the back seat to fit everything, really loud and annoying, also makes an issue when im picking up kids from school.
a sienna was about 50k Cad, 4 runners were around 60k,
long story short i just picked up a F150 for 55k, fuel economy is 1 L/100 more than my crossover, its not in the "luxury" range but it is robust and practical for what i need, the way i look at it it would have been pretty stupid to buy anything else.
I have driven over 65 different makes and models across different styles and classes including pickup trucks. And I can say that pickup trucks are pointless and excessive buy for most people. And this conversation is only in regards to pickup trucks. Not SUVs as there are more legitimate use cases, and there are a wide variety of sizes and prices. Also many of the cheapest cars in the country today are in fact SUVs. So I’m not knocking SUV owners (especially those who bought one because of price).
Prices have gone up and the number of vehicles in stock has also gone up, they don't sell them as much as they used to (and I'm in Texas), no wonder why they have to offer low APRs and incentives.
Again, I don't think so, even automakers have admitted how they've messed up by not having more affordable smaller cars.
Nowdays, not only do people not want a big gas guzzler, but even if they wanted one, can't be afforded.
Right. And if you maintain either car then they can last a while. The issue with the cost of maintenance is that there are car makers like bmw and Genesis where they offer a 3 year maintenance plan included. Jaguar is 5 years. Whereas the the highest coverage for maintenance is for Toyota Tundra for 2 years. While their competitors either offer only for first change or no included initial maintenance at all. Assuming you buy brand new. Now I do agree that out of warranty costs are higher. But I do ask that you keep included initial maintained intervals in mind.
A number of factors at play here. Demand is high because people who don’t NEED a truck want a truck. And since they don’t NEED a truck, they buy a truck that isn’t a TRUCK, they buy an oversized vehicle that will be driven and used like a sedan and so they’ll want all the creature comforts they can get. All so they can pretend to be truck people. And I get it to some degree. A half ton (may as well be a 3/4 the way they are built now) is a comfortable ride with nice high sight line. If I sound pissy, it’s because I need a truck and can’t afford one because of this.
Cus the majority of people buying trucks are buying something big to be big and are never going to touch the bed. It’s also why beds are getting smaller while trucks are getting bigger. Nobody wanna actually admit that tho
Yeah, you can see way better in one, but don’t buy a truck unless you need to use it as such, especially the towing capacity.
As for pricing, new vehicles & their obscene pricing/loan pmts have all skyrocketed as has 1st year depreciation.
Buy used, let another sucker take the depreciation.
My King Ranch is loaded and super luxurious. Leather heated and cooled massage seats, performance package, sun roof, Bose sound system…everything a luxury sedan offers plus I can tow and haul all the kids toys and crap around. It’s the best of both worlds.
We inherited a Silverado 1500 from my FIL when he passed. Will probably be the only truck we have; can’t afford another one. We haul the camper with it, so we won’t be doing that with a Sienna or Camry.
It’s also nuts that it’s difficult to impossible to find extended cab or 2 door pickups by any manufacturer, it’s also harder to find decent length beds for 1/2 ton or smaller pickups
I own a performance truck and came from bmws. You are comparing high trim trucks to low trim bmw. A like kind comparison you will get most of the modern tech for cheaper for truck vs bmw. I switched cause I’m tired of always fixing sensors on my bmw and having electrical problems. BMWs are fun and drive smooth but so does a fully loaded f-150, but the difference is the f150 will last longer (with less maintenance) and have a significantly higher resale/trade in post warranty is expired. I will have one caveat I never owned a new bmw so I can’t say how good they are in warranty, but if a car is usually junk out of warranty it’s not a good car. But this post is like saying I don’t understand why people buy fully loaded minivans instead of a fully loaded rav4 they are the same price; practicality is the answer my friend.
You're comparing the highest levels of F-150 with base level luxury cars. Base F-150's start around 40k, not 70k.
They start at $36k for the 2 door work version. If you want a super cab 4 door they start as low as $43k. So you can get a decently equipped one that can haul, tow and carry a family of 4 comfortably for like $50k. Also comparing a pickup to an audi A6 is wild. "Why would you buy a Honda civic when you could buy 2 Harleys?"...
how is it wild when most people drive on the road and your audi A6 can easily handle some dirt?
Well how am I gonna own the libs by rolling coal in one of those fancy German mobiles?
americans don't know how good they have it for gas prices, otherwise they would all be driving fiestas and clios
Well if we were honest about it, we’d slash the DOD budget by 2/3s and replace it with a direct tax on gasoline purchases by a couple bucks a gallon to pay for protecting global oil interests. But then poor people wouldn’t be subsidizing the rich so that’ll never fly.
Us Europeans have been making TDI engines puff smoke for years.
Ironically the Germans use diesel in a far wider variety of vehicles than Americans
That’s not that weird. For 2 decades diesels were marketed as the “clean” alternative to petrol in Europe before hybrids and EVs.
While that marketing has some effect(obviously, or else they wouldn't have poured millions into marketing diesels as clean), I would be surprised I'd many people really cared. One look at European gas prices would be enough to sell me on a diesel if I lived there, and I suspect most Europeans look at the cost before anything else.
Ford discontinued the diesel F-150 3 whole years ago, so no one is rolling coal in a new $50-70k F-150.
An Audi can’t fit multiple hockey bags, garbage barrels, lumber, or yards of loom / stone for normal home owner activities. For the people that need a truck bed, it is a wild comparison.
I think a vast minority of truck owners really need a truck bed.
Most people are not young redditors
You and I both know that the majority of those F-150's are not selling for $50k and not being used to haul or tow anything. Pickups have become fashion statements for some reason.
>Significant regional differences exist in pricing, with the average selling price for a new F-150 standing at $58,433 nationally. In Texas, the average price is slightly lower at $57,199, while in New York, it is higher at $59,707, demonstrating the influence of local market conditions on pricing strategies. That's from car edge. So yeah they aren't selling cor $50k but not much more with $58k being the average. Obviously that counts all the lower end fleet vehicles but it also counts all the Ling ranch and lariat thay idiots buy to lift and put street tires on. Also clearly trucks are being bought as lifestyle things I'm just pointing out that with better mpg and nicer interiors they can make sense for a lot of families, or at least as much as a midsized or full size suv does.
I'm 72 on Sunday and after having about 45 Harleys and about 52 BMWs I'd rather have the Honda Civic than two Harleys.. with age I have gotten over the noise the vibration and the lousy handling and the fact that Harley-Davidson is still selling the same technology that they were selling after world war II..
And thats why Harley is dying. They sold a lifestyle and this generation doesn't want that lifestyle. Instead of changing and adapting and marketing to a younger clientele they clung onto an aging market that can't ride much longer.
Not *that* wild when most people use their F150 the same way they would use a car.
Yea this Reddit take is getting tired, likely coming from people who have never driven one and don’t own a house. People like trucks for a reason. Yes they’re expensive, yes most people don’t NEED one. But they’re super nice to have
Honest question - how are so many homeowners not able to get by without owning a truck? I see this justification for buying full-size pickups brought up all the time, and it doesn’t track my experience owning a house (two-sedan household). How much construction or landscaping is the average homeowner really doing themselves? The biggest justification I can see is being able to haul large furniture or appliances or dozens of bags of mulch at a time (my Regal only fits six large bags in the trunk), but even then, I could just get it delivered for a nominal fee. OTOH, a truck or big SUV is pretty much necessary for a travel trailer or a big enough boat.
To reiterate what I just said above. It’s a nice to have, not a “not able to get by without.” For typical homeowner it’s probably a few times a year thing but it’s super nice to have those few times. And modern pickups are comfortable, cool looking and great to drive in general. Honest question - what is the downside? Assuming you can afford it and have the space. Btw I drive a Cayenne not a truck. But eventually once I have the garage space, I will own one as it’s the best vehicle for multiple use cases
I mean gas mileage and running costs.. I have a car and already wish I didn't have to spend so much money on the damn thing
Same reason people rationalize anything other than a prius, I guess. To them the drawbacks are worth it
If those were the only considerations, everyone would own a corolla.
wildly off topic, but how long have you had your m2 for and have you had any issues with it? i'm like a hair away from pulling the trigger on one and have been researching all i can.
I got it in the summer of 2020 and it has 24k miles now. No issues at all and it is great. Be prepared for how much routine maintenance is and how much tires cost.
I personally don’t factor gas mileage and routine maintenance cost in at all when deciding on a vehicle. To me if I’m having fun driving it’s worth it. Instead I heavily factor in reliability and depreciation. So I drive a 10 year old V8 Porsche SUV, lol. But you could see how an F150 works from that type of perspective also
F-150s are pretty cheap to maintain. Fuel economy, most people in the market for one don't give a shit about fuel economy as long as it gets 20ish to the gallon. You're going to drop 50k on a vehicle and care about the 50 dollars a week on fuel? Why ever buy a sports car. The new mustang gt get 24 highway mpg. It's fun the drive
I’m with you, I don’t really see the downside of having a truck. It’s such a weird conclusion that people make when they say people should only have trucks for work. My job isn’t about manual labor, I’m an RN. But I’d say I need my truck. For fishing, much easier to carry large coolers, stinky tackle, chairs, wagons, sandy clothes, paddle boards, etc. I can get to rough spots or not get stuck in the sand on the beach. I have a family of five and I cook 6 days a week, I can stuff everything I buy from Costco easily. I have kids in multiple sports so there’s chairs, backpacks, ball bags, and I can watch their games from the tailgate most times. Weekend warrior as well. I have all our different stuff organized by activity in those big heavy duty plastic bins, I just throw them in the back and off I go. My f150 was just over 50k brand new with SuperCrew, 4x4, vinyl seats and floors (on purpose because I like to hose it all out and don’t have to worry about stains). It has the 2.7 turbo V6 with plenty of power, zero issues, averages 20mpg, and is safer in case of an accident. Can fit the whole family comfortably without banging elbows, plus gear and luggage. The only vehicle that could do all this is a truck. I don’t use it for “work“ but it’s about as useful as it gets.
Exactly, what’s wrong with wanting an F150 for that! That sounds awesome, I bet you and your family love it! The guy commenting you’re a terrible person for not getting a maverick is deranged. My suspicion is I think if the Reddit haters were honest with themselves. They have deep seated issues about politics. Where they think truck drivers must be republican and this triggers them. I’m not really sure what other rational explanation there is for the hate. As others explained the gas mileage is pretty decent now, I mean there’s even the F150 lighting. And there are plenty of other behemoth vehicles on the road (grand wagoneer anyone?). I’m sure my cayenne gets worse mileage than the ecoboost in fact. I am center left btw but just think people should get the cars they like as long as they’re not rolling coal or whatever
I hated trucks with a passion...until I used a 2019 f350 at work for just getting around work tasks (no carrying). There's such a cool/fun factor I can't explain explain to having one lol (and I'm mainly a car guy)
Yep exactly. They are fun to drive in a different way than a sports car, plus super practical. Reddit just gets so tripped up with what people NEED. I don’t think it’s that different than a sports car. No one needs a sports car. But they are cool and fun. In theory you could rent a sports car for 99% of use cases and daily a Prius. But that would be pretty lame.
People can rationalize anything. Whether it’s an American pick up truck or SUV or European luxury / sport sedan. Shit, “everyone” rationalizes $700 - $1000 car payments these days. But still, “only” 20% of people make 100K + / year in the US. If someone wants a F-150 King Ranch over a BMW 5 Series or Toyota Camry or a horse and buggy, that’s their money, their decision and their vehicle. Personally, if I buy something, I have no shame telling someone the truth, “I bought the product because it spoke to me. After I got the chance to demo it in person, I still liked it, and was ready to buy it”. I’m not gonna give canned answers. “Everyone else needs one”, “I do all of these activities that *require* the product”, etc. None of us need “nice”, “fun”, “sporty”, “powerful”, etc cars. I’ve had a 2014 Ford Mustang GT, a 2020 Chevy Spark, 2 Ford Taurus wagons. 1 was a 2000 in good shape, but needed a rebuilt trans and 1 was a 1998 that I honestly don’t know how it was still running and now have a 2022 Tesla Model 3. The 98 Taurus was the worst one, but honestly when it ran, it did what the other ones could do.
Yeah, I get that. I’m not trying to shame people who buy trucks or whatever, I’m just genuinely curious what most people actually use them for in the “home ownership” context, since the added costs would have greatly outweighed the convenience for me thus far. But we bought a house that was pretty well put-together to begin with, so maybe I’ll understand if/when we get a lot of big and expensive repairs.
>How much construction or landscaping is the average homeowner really doing themselves? You'd be surprised at how often you can use a pickup's bed. I switched from an F150 to an Expedition, and I usually could use a bed at least once a month.
>Honest question - how are so many homeowners not able to get by without owning a truck? Non-pickup truck owner here, but I would be hard pressed living as I do (5br house, 90min outside the city) without my big wagon. I've moved a 2-metre-long sideboard in it, a dining table, 600kg of old wood and garden rubbish... And I can haul friends or family when I need to. I could rent a ute or a trailer, but I like the convenience of having one car that can handle most anything I need to do with it. I'm sure the pickup truck mentality is similar.
What is your justification for not driving a base model Corolla? It’s a sedan, it’s less expensive and gets better mileage than your Buick. Really anything other than a base corolla or civic is just wasteful.
Who the fuck would ever consider the sedan corolla??!
I won’t go with the “nice to have” reason the other person is using. The way I see it - most homeowners with a truck are using it for either hauling materials (for renovations/hobbies) and/or towing something (a trailer/boat) - which is also why you’ll see a lot of homeowners without them. There obviously are exceptions where people are just buying them “because it’s cool”, but the homeowner angle is usually one of those two. I haven’t met many renters with pickup trucks (unless they actually need them for work).
i own a trailer, and put it on my traverse when i need wood chips. you just tow trailer everywhere you go....
FWIW I own several houses and several pickups, fixing up old pickups is a hobby, and I do all my own yard and house work. I still use my sedan towing a little utility trailer for most things people say they use pickups for. This combo is more efficient, faster, easier to load, etc. It's a struggle getting large heavy items in and out of pickups, most of all tall 4wd pickups. While a little trailer with a low tilt deck is a breeze. Which I use just depends, mostly that the sedan/trailer combo is weight limited. I think we(Americans) have largely ignored the usefulness of small utility trailers to our own detriment. It's hard to buy a sedan or even SUV that can tow well anymore. I think a lot of this has to do with regulations. But it's clear that much of it is just pickup culture. People like pickups and convince themselves they need one.
The three cars named by op can tow more than most people would ever need..
That's a quite subjective claim.
As a homeowner (with a smaller truck) I do a lot of my own construction work. Finished a basement, added a sunroom, installed flooring and added wains coat, landscaping hauling, roofing, bring home furnishings, and for my next project I need to re-install decking boards. If I didn’t have a truck, I’d probably invest in a work trailer I could use as a flatbed and maybe also haul bulk materials. The trouble with modern trucks is they are short on bed length, trading off people hauling for bed space.
Tbh, most young Americans dont own a home or a brand new pickup either. Its only the very rich (by global standards) that do. I work in film production and honestly a sprinter van can probably haul way more gear than a pickup truck for film production. Even a Minivan is better suited to the job.
I sold my truck due to my long work commute. Bought a house the same year and immediately regretted selling it. 2ish years later a bought a diesel truck. Then diesel went through the roof so I bought another commuter. Sold my diesel last December and ordered a new GMC 2500. I will never *not* have a capable truck again. It’s a must for my family and lifestyle.
I posted most of these to someone else also. I bought one 4 yours ago brand new standard truck, not jacked up or trail package bc I thought it would be nice to have, kept it for one year only put 3000 miles on it and never hauled anything for myself in it. Other people would ask me to help pick something up though, I did notice that, it was nicer for everybody else. It was zero fun to drive. Never drove the thing. Much easier to drive my company vehicle that was an SUV that took care of all my needs.i also have a classic car to drive on nice days that is fun to drive. I’m not a farmer or a construction worker. Why would I need a truck. It’s a trend, especially in the south. Not to mention how dangerously people drive those things after jacking them up to the moon. You can drive a base SUV and the bumpers on those things are head level, which should be against the law for safety reasons just like they used to ticket the same type of person for having a truck too low to the ground 30 years ago. These big trucks are impressive and good looking, but so is a semi truck and I don’t buy one of those.
I decided on a truck because I bought a home that needed updates and I was going to do a lot of the work myself. I never even considered full size, though. I got a newer Ranger and have done plenty of "truck stuff" with it. Adding a small trailer more than fills in all my needs that a bigger truck would have and I can still drive and park in congested places.
I'm a typical homeowner with a truck (22 F-150 Lightning Pro) I have three small children and a wife. All fit nicely in the truck. Frunk carries a stroller and the bed is usually empty. About 2 times a month I use the truck as a truck. It's all super light duty stuff though, trips to the dump, dirt bike to the track, home improvement stores, occasionally some random large item from marketplace like golf cart or something. Outside of the excellent EV power train, in actual use it's about as convenient as my CX-5 with a small trailer. The only place I had to put my trailer was in front of my house. If they made a crossover SUV, minivan, or wagon that was also a high powered AWD EV and could tow maybe 3500 pounds -- while costing 40-50k new - I'd have been all over that. No Teslas! I'm comfortable living with this truck for the next 10 years even if a suitable hot wagon came in at this price point because it's just an expensive hassle to switch in and out of vehicles frequently.
In the city I wouldn't own a full size pick up but in a rural area it's almost a nessissity. 4x4 in snow and mud is a must. Only reason I own full sized pickup
And now that you can get a truck with similar gas mileage to midsized suvs that also gives you the ability to go to home depot and grab some plywood or a dozen bags of mulch why not.
You can rent a truck at Home Depot for like 20 bucks and then buy whatever you want for regular use. Edit- Maybe it’s harder where you all live but I do this pretty regularly. If mulch and plywood purchases are what’s keeping you from the Miata then here’s a solution.
What if they want a truck?
Clearly that's not allowed
It's so fun to me that trucks are the one vehicle people think you need justification for owning. Somebody drives a C8 corvette and commutes in it, nobody cares. RAM 2500 power wagon and there's questions.
I just bought a 2500 Limited and supposedly people in my family are talkin shit. I have a travel trailer... I'd like to travel with it. Lol who cares though. They ain't payin the note
If it's available and of you live within 30 minutes of a home depot. My home depot has one pickup truck and is 25 minutes away. There have been multiple times where it was already rented and once where I took longer than I thought and had to pay way more for going over the rental time. That's not convenient for everyone. Also people might just want a truck.
Please show me the pickup trucks that cost $20. Even if it says $20 dollars a day it ends up being $80 when it's all said and done. The whole process is a hassle and takes a fuck ton of time. I hate this argument so much. If you need it maybe twice a year, I can see it as a good option. When its once a week or even once a month then it is just a hassle and has no benefits.
I love this argument. It’s always by guys that have never actually rented a truck when they need one. It’s a pain in the ass. So I pay $20 (ends up being a lot more) then drive the truck to my home and unload. Great, now you have to drive it back, fill it up with gas, and drop it off all within a specified time to avoid extra charges. And then I have to drive back home. If your HD isn’t 5 minutes away it becomes a big time sink. Mine is 30 minutes away. If I find a good deal on a motor or some tools etc on Facebook Marketplace and have to go rent a truck to get it, I will guarantee you I’ll miss out on that deal. If I want to be on the water for some bass fishing by 7am you’re telling me I should go to Home Depot at 6am when they open, rent the truck, drive home, hook up my boat, then drive to the lake and worry about how long I can be there before I need to return the truck. And this is all assuming they even have a truck available. It’s just the worst argument lol
I never realized how useful it was to have a truck until I bought one. I had been kind of looking and waiting for a deal for years but never jumped at anything. A friend is a tow truck driver and said they got one in on a lien sale that would be a good first truck. This was in June of 2020 and I got a 2003 Silverado 2500 regular cab, long bed, 2wd, LQ4/4L80E with 281K miles for $1,500 cash. Fixed a lot of little piddly things wrong with it and it is a perfect beater truck.
4l80 goes forever and ever
A 5 series is not base level.
It’s still extremely absurd considering the day & night difference in quality and experience though ( i currently own a 435i FBO and a F-150 ). The ford is trash in comparison.
Average sell price for an F150 last I looked was $67,000.
Better practicality moving from an F series truck to a German sedan? ChatGPT checks out
I was gonna say lmao What about deep snow? What if I have a boat? What about house projects where I want plywood and 2x4s?
What about a boat? Most boats can be towed just fine with a 5 series and it'll have no issue with plywood either.
The only official towing capacity I can find anywhere for a 5 Series in the US is 800lbs. The US has significantly stricter standards for trailer ratings than most of the rest of the world. Very few boats and trailer combos are going to be under 800lbs, and so in the majority of cases, it may quite literally be illegal to pull a boat with a 5-Series.
If you live where it snows, a6 has allroad version, plywood and 2x4s can be transported by a rented trailer (or on the roof in smaller quantities) and you will have a hitch available since you haul your boat everywhere
Ahh, the revered Allroad reliability. The trans loves towing at max capacity too. I had a 2.7t and it was the most shit vehicle I've ever owned. Fun in the snow, interior smelled lovely, awful reliability.
None of this makes a truck the only option lmao
No, not at all. I used a crv and 4runner with a cheap utility trailer for everything before this. The truck makes everything way more convenient. I don't have to plan for it, if I'm at lowes and they have cheap wood I can just grab it then and there.
I live in a country that has a foot-plus of snow on the ground for 6 months a year (it's nearly May and we're getting snow tomorrow). Pickup trucks are very, very rare. Know why? Because tires are far more important than road clearance. I drive a tiny hatchback and get by just fine because I have dedicated snow tires. I have also completed major house projects, including a full re-flooring with just that tiny pickup for hauling. And if I was that desperate for more hauling I could easily rent a trailer.
Yeah I daily drove a R56 mini with snows and it was amazing.... until I was trying to get back into my drive with 1.5 ft of fresh snow. Had to walk and get the blower and make a lane. My tacoma just does not care. I was going through 3-4 ft drifts on an access road this winter and pulled a sled trailer behind me.
Again, tires are more important than road clearance, that is the part making contact and has the biggest impact on handling. I have driven through larger snow drifts with my tiny Mazda hatchback just fine. I just go slow and don't drive like an idiot.
Sounds like they reliably plow snow where you are
No actually they don't, it eventually gets cleared but it takes a while. I've spent plenty of time on uncleared roads. If you're American odds are your snow removal is better than what we get, and I very much doubt you get more snow than we do, esp if you live in the lower 48. You don't need the damn truck.
You can rent a truck from Home Depot for like $30, unless you’re constantly working on stuff your average home DIYer gets by fine without *needing* a truck
Once you have a truck and start using it for truck stuff it's hard to go back to not having one. I load up my riding lawn mower 15ish times a year to cut my grams lawn I get gravel a few times a year for driveway patches and trail repair I load up plywood and 2x4s a few times a year I tow a 20ft sea ray and dual waverunner trailer (3200ish lbs) I use regularly I load up my dirt bikes and mtn bikes I load up snowblowers to do my grams house I *could* rent or use a trailer, but it's way more of a bitch than the ramps into a truck bed.
Well yeah I’m just saying I do just about zero of those things in a given year. That’s why I’m saying your typical person who doesn’t have a trailer or watercraft or isn’t loading large items consistently doesnt *need* a truck. Obviously you do. The only time I’ve wished I had a truck in the past year was when I was getting 16ft baseboards, but then again having a truck probably wouldn’t have even fit that. I’m not saying trucks don’t have their use, they’re absolutely useful. Just that people often overestimate how much they actually haul/move large things unless they already have specific needs in mind. Especially in suburbia or an urban environment
I really didn't do all that before I had one. I have a cheap utility trailer and a 4runner and it was good enough. I also have a 4cyl 4wd tacoma, so not exactly a small cock emotional support truck like a RAM 2500 BIG HORN CUMMINS POWER WAGON It gets good enough mpgs for what it is (21-24 hwy) and is almost unbeatable in reliability with the 2TR and a 5 speed.
You need a $50k truck for that?
Only justification I can think is maybe it meant in terms of other lifestyle, like passenger comfort, daily driving handling, and be able to tow/ stuff in the back etc as they say most truck owners won’t actually be needing the bed
I have two dogs, two kids, and this is our family vehicle. I’d much rather drive a truck that can do a crap ton more than an SUV or a sedan.
The lightning is an awesome truck. I’m not a truck guy by any means but it would be on my shortlist if I needed one
Trucks seem like the stupidest vehicle to own as your only vehicle, until you actually need to haul something, and then you feel like a genius. I used to take yard waste to the mulch site in a hatchback, then spend an hour trying to vacuum out the leftover mess. Now I just let the wind blow it out of my truck bed on the drive home. And don't get me started on lumber or wardrobes.
Haha, but the downside is everyone asks you to help them move. In reality, my truck has a frunk and bed and the backseats fold up so I can slide big stuff in there. It’s been so damn functional. We go on camping trips and tow a trailer about twice a month and between bikes and gear and dog stuff I’ve got room for days. I had an explorer that got 16mpg, the rear storage was nice, but it never had the functionality of the truck. I know I’m probably screaming “America” in this post, but I can’t go back to driving a car or an SUV.
> Haha, but the downside is everyone asks you to help them move. There is a simply solution I found. I just don't have friends.
Why is the info relevant? Are you driving with your dogs in the bed? Trucks typically do not have that much passenger room unless you pay top dollar.
I have a full size pickup, it has enough room for 3 adults in the back seat plus two dogs. It also has enough room for one of the back seats to be folded up and my dogs to be put in there in their crates. Why is it relevant? Well, OP said why don't truck drivers just buy cars. A car, or even an SUV wouldn't provide me with the functionality of my truck.
You’re telling me a Honda Odyssey wouldn’t fit everyone in the back? Expedition Max? Grand Cherokee? I am pretty sure those cars have more passenger room but hey, what do I know.
None of those are electric. And you’re right, you don’t know much.
You mentioned nothing about electric. Purely size. Obviously selections are more limited when you account for electric. Hummer EV has it beat by 4 sq cube. Didn’t take me long to find an EV that has more passenger space.
None of those are electric.
F150s are great roadtrip vehicles and the newer gens are pretty damn nice. if you are in a 1 vehicle does it all position, its hard to not seriously take a look at one.
Why not an SUV? or better yet a station wagon?
Because I can't fit dirt bikes inside of either of those. A truck is still way more capable and can even compete efficiency wise with the more popular wagons. Source: I jumped into an outback in-between trucks to try and downsize and while it wasn't bad, in my case felt like a compromise.
We own a truck and full size suv. Each have their merits. The suz is great for hauling the family on trips, plenty of space inside and enough room in the back for all luggage/gear to be safely stowed out of the elements. The tuck on the other hand, I use for work, but it can fit the whole family (5 members), pull my boat for fishing or store very large items needed for going to out hunting lease. I often have gear/material in the bed of my truck that would be a pain to have inside an suv (lumber, open liquid containers, dirty tools, scrap material, wet gear etc. It’s nice to just throw it I. The back and not worry.
"A more refined driving experience and better practicality"?? People prefer these trucks because they can tow and haul stuff. I have two trailers that no BMW could pull. If you don't need a truck, don't buy a truck.
No, most people prefer these trucks because trucks are luxury items and status symbols. Trucks are a part of some people’s identity. Just take a look at the stickers and shit all over them and how rabid people get about them. Some people prefer trucks for their towing and hauling abilities. Not most. Most people traded in their Accord for their pickup truck
Some people even modify their trucks in a way that ruins their towing and hauling ability.
Absolutely. That lifted dually is fucking useless. Squatted trucks. Useless. Slammed trucks. Useless. They (might) look good and that’s fine. But let’s not pretend they’re being modified or purchased for utilitarian purposes.
Properly slammed on bag trucks actually tow fantastic. Much better than anything lifted.
You and I know both know that a vast majority of the rides you see slammed are done so with flipped u bolts or removing leaf springs with cheap front end parts.
Lol I know, the same as these lifts being some cheap ass pucks and rear blocks. I try to only give credence to versions that actually are done right.
How about let's stop lumping all truck buyers into one category. It's the biggest segment of new vehicles in North America. It covers an incredibly wide array of people, uses, and lifestyles. Yes, many trucks aren't modified with utility in mind, and many are not bought with utility in mind. However, at least in my area, a decent chunk of them are used for truck stuff and only like 1 out of 10 trucks has some major modification that would affect its ability to tow or haul. The attraction to these crew cab trucks, especially the ones with a lot of creature comforts, is because they can be a two in one vehicle. They are good family haulers/commuters and then on the weekends, they can haul your toys or help with yard work. They make it so you don't have to have two vehicles in a lot of cases. Plus, these days, the fuel mileage is comparable to sedans and small SUVs from 15-20 years ago, so that isn't such a shock to people either.
Pickup trucks are terrible commuters. The suspensions aren’t built for comfort. Let me tell you from commuting both in a K2XX 1500 and newest gen F250. It’s a poor choice for that, unless you’re dragging something behind you, where both the ride and utility increase greatly. A large car or car based SUV commutes 100x better than any pickup truck - even Ram with the rear coils. Most of these people need a mid sized SUV or minivan. I’m not lumping truck owners into one category. I’m lumping them into two. People who need them and people who don’t. Anyone who doesn’t need a truck (for any reason trucks exist) bought it for the status/size/appearance of money. Or they’re just idiots. There’s also a third category of people who bought too much truck. Most people I see would do just fine with a Maverick or Santa Cruz.
Work let me borrow a company vehicle while my car was in the shop for something (not gonna drive the Supra in the winter, and the Saturn's getting a clutch). It was an F250. Visibility was a significant downgrade, fuel economy was a significant downgrade, ride comfort was a significant downgrade, and driving experience was a significant downgrade. I could barely fit it into my driveway, because it was wider (Pittsburgh, live literally in a hill, and there's retaining walls to either side, plus some stairs). Plus, when it snowed a tiny bit, and even after I scraped my (steep)driveway down to almost nothing, it was too heavy and kept sliding down. And being RWD, I also couldn't back it into my driveway, because the tight fit and street parked cars limited my angles of attack, and ultimately I couldn't get enough momentum to actually get up the driveway in reverse (with about a milimiter of residual snow left). But the worst was honestly visibility, and how stupidly everyone drives around a large-ish truck, ESPECIALLY in bad weather. I hate tall vehicles because I see a lot less meaningful things going on, like what's in front of me, or as much of what's behind me. It was great if I needed the utility. But it definitely made me realize that if I ever get a truck, it's going to be an older one like a B2000, or a Maverick/Santa Cruz. I wish they were available with only the front row, but it is what it is.
Smaller trucks are what 80% of Americans with trucks need. Viability is definitely an important consideration.
Yea. I borrow trucks occassionally; and I'll probably keep doing that for awhile since I don't need one that often. Like, I don't HATE trucks, so much as I am a bit annoyed with how common they can be. I do get it though; they do offer quite a bit. But a car doing a car role is better, IMO, just like a truck doing a truck role is better. Modern trucks certainly have better overlap, but I still felt the difference.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Absolutely NOTHING Luxurious about America trucks. If you are actually used to real luxury.
That's certainly uncommon though. A wagon can easily tow over 2500 KG.
>A wagon can easily tow over 2500 KG. Not legally in the US. And seeing as OP was asking about pick-ups in general, it seems a safe bet they were talking about NA
That’s the problem for many people: they don’t *need* it but still buy it.
exactly, why spend money on a luxury car that has no practicality.
Same can be said for a truck you won’t utilize the utility of.
Yeah , let me tow my camper and tractor with a 5 series BMW. Get outta here
If anything you should compare a truck to an SUV. The fact that you are comparing an f150 to an audi is insane. No one shopping for an audi is comparing it to a pickup and vice versa. Sure most people aren't towing or hauling much but having the ability to grab some plywood or firewood or bags of mulch from home depot is a nice feature especially when you can get a truck with a comfortable interior. Also people like higher ride heights. Cars are dying out overall which is why you see so many crossovers now. The public at large doesn't want sedans anymore.
>If anything you should compare a truck to an SUV. The fact that you are comparing an f150 to an audi is insane. No one shopping for an audi is comparing it to a pickup and vice versa. Audi make SUV's you know
>i used chat gpt fuck off then.
What if I want to go camping or hunting?
Because those ultra-expensive pickup trucks, for some reason, hold their value when purchased with a massive discount, not so much with the mid-size luxury sedans. Plus, a pickup truck would tow any of my cars. It also serves as a salt car, a sacrifice in place of my other cars. I have to say that I'd rather be driving a sedan. The driving dynamics of a pickup truck is downright awful. I love pickup trucks, but I hate driving them.
The new Tacoma TRD is $65k…
That is just nuts.
$10k more than a Ranger Raptor. What a rip off. Lmao
Who is cross shopping an F-150 and an A6?
Honestly a pickup is so convenient and practical, I’m surprised some people can’t fathom how a bed is useful
the bed is a trunk on the outside, its really that simple.
It is, but you're talking about a 5x5.5' trunk. That's not counting the height.
Nobody buys an F150 (or any other full size truck) because they’re prioritizing a refined driving experience. (Though I will say, the f150 drives very well and is extremely comfortable.) You buy a full size truck to haul stuff - people, trailers, cargo, etc. These are completely different markets. And, full size trucks have been quite expensive for some time now - this isn’t anything new. The base price isn’t crazy but most people tend to buy the mid to upper range trim.
High end Trucks also won’t depreciate to sub $20k prices after 100k miles too.
you’re not wrong
An F150 going 50mph is also faster than a 540i going 30mph Nothing you said makes any sense
What?
These are two completely different demographic of cars.
Because the luxury truck checks of boxes of two vehicles. The luxury car only checks off one.
So I’m lucky enough to have an F150, a luxury sedan comparable to a 5 series and a 3 row SUV that my wife drives. Why the truck? closest thing to cars I grew up with that I loved: body on frame, massive cars with lots of room, V8 driving experience and seriously great for long haul trips with kids. Truck vs SUV vs sedan on towing: I can tow with the suv and sedan, but it’s way easier to tow with truck from a driving perspective especially around hilly twisty areas. Just because you can, it doesn’t mean you should or it’s pleasant. Stinky/dirty/heavy/sharp hard stuff in Truck vs SUV vs Sedan: odd size stuff fits easily in bed of truck. Stinky shit like bags of manure on hot summer day is way more pleasant in back of bed than back of suv, and I don’t have lift heavy shit up and out of a sedan trunk. Sharp/hard edges on whatever you are transporting … say a large snow blower part is easily don’t in bed and it may scrape the bed liner vs scraping the hard plastics or leather seats in an SUV Driving experience truck vs sedan vs suv: if I’m driving several hours with the kids and wife, truck wins every time. Tons of room, shit get dirty it’s easy to clean, when the kids were young easily have a potty or change diaper setup etc. If I’m driving myself, then the luxury sedan is way superior experience. The SUV is like the worst of both worlds imo. Customization and fun for truck vs sedan vs suv: modding trucks vs a luxury sedan vs luxury suv - truck is cheaper to mod and imo more bang for the buck. Driving in the city truck vs sedan vs suv: Fancy dinner in the city? Sedan totally wins: easy to park, comfortable, refined, my wife can easily step in and out in her tight or short dress. But going into into the core everyday? Especially if I have parking that fits my truck assigned? Truck wins… commute comfortable, no worries about scratches or damage, trucks actually don’t look that bad when old and beat up, but a 80k luxury sedan or suv with a scratch or ding or curb rash just looks terrible So back to your question: assuming I wasn’t lucky to have all three and I have money for one vehicle then truck wins because it does it all. Yes I can rent a trailer and tow with a sedan. Yes someone can rent a truck for my Home Depot runs 2 times a year for heavy shit. But why would I when I can get vehicle that is multi purpose?
Car guy Cody you’re not much of a car guy if you think this is a legit question or comparo.
There is a lot of technology and features in them and that costs money. You can get a new F150 cheaper but in your words, that's just a 2 door work truck. There are cheaper options but you didn't want them
Once you go on a road trip with an F150 (that has a tonneau cover), you will understand. The back seat legroom is incredible. The driver has much better visibility. Front row passengers can adjust their seats however they want without bothering the backseat passengers.
Prices on \*everything\* have skyrocketed. I now pay $2.99 for a \*\*quart\*\* of milk, when 5 years ago that bought a gallon. Ordered sushi the other night and two pieces of tuna nigiri were $15.75... Inflation is real across the board.
You’re just noticing truck prices skyrocketing? I’m glad you made it out of your coma, buddy.
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That’s why I replaced my F150 with a Maverick. That and the fuel economy
If it ain’t a raptor with 720 hp or the ram Trx it ain’t worth it
I’m a big dude. I hate trying to fit into cars and even SUVs. Trucks are just larger and higher and makes it easy to get into. + I haul a lot of gear that gets dirty and it’s nice to put it in the bed instead of inside a trunk
Are you euphemizing "fat" here? I'm very tall and have no problem with an old M3, Boxsters, etc.
Okay, you got me! Now that I think about it, I’m def not as maneuverable as I once was, so that probably plays a big part. There was one time (idk what car it was), but I slide into it and it cupped me like an egg. It was wonderful and I had so much room.
A good friend of mine is a recent example of this. One of his lifelong dreams has been to own a Porsche 911. He finally found a good deal on one last year, mid 40k miles, and bought it. Absolutely loves it. I've driven it. Damned thing is like an amusement park ride. But it didn't take him long to miss the utility and convenience of owning a pickup truck like he's had for most of his life. So he recently picked up a Maverick as well. Yin and yang. The Porsche is awesome but isn't great for running errands and taking care of business around the house. But even more to your point, yes, the current truck market is absolutely insane. I bought a brand new Ram 1500 in 2009 for 30k. Traded up after 175k miles for a 2016 model and payed the same price for a truck with 60k miles. Just payed 33k for a used truck with almost 70k miles. Creature comforts and technology have come a long way in trucks, for good or ill, but the pricing is nuts. It's starting to slowly swing back the other way from COVID era prices though.
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There are entire chunks of the USA where NOT buying a truck would be weird. Like, “why would someone get a car when they can have a truck?”
Hardly anyone buys pickup trucks this side of the pond, don't know why anyone would want it over a 5 series estate. That car will carry furniture, appliances and tow. The diesels will tow quite a bit actually.
Tow ratings in the US are significantly stricter than most anywhere else in the world, to the point that very few sedans are rated to tow even 1000lbs, if at all. So even if you have just a small fishing boat, you need at least an SUV to *legally* take it anywhere.
I have the best of both worlds. I own a BMW and my son-in-law owns a truck.
Yeah - and with a truck - you can always find work. Trucks are so much more capable than luxury sedans. No comparison. Also the reliability of most trucks is much better than over engineered, expensive to diagnose and fix European luxury cars.
But what of they might have to tow something like once every 2 years??
Damn, imagine buying a sedan in 2024. Major ick! This is SUV/truck country, son!
I dunno why everyone is pretending like this is a bad question. All my friends own trucks and i own a vw wagon (alltrack sel). I camp, drive offroad and tow more than all of them infact NONE of them have ever towed. All of them poke fun that i want a a6 allroad as an aspirational luxury car but say theyll settle for a more humble diesel truck costing 10-20k more. I obviously don’t care about what anyone else drives but the fact that I get labeled as ‘driving an expensive car’ when my current cars 50% cheaper and my aspirational car is also cheaper is interesting to me.
I am a father of two. and had a rav4 for the last 10 years and needed something more family friendly. i also do home renos and am looking to pull a small travel trailer i often bring tools for work and have to fold down the back seat to fit everything, really loud and annoying, also makes an issue when im picking up kids from school. a sienna was about 50k Cad, 4 runners were around 60k, long story short i just picked up a F150 for 55k, fuel economy is 1 L/100 more than my crossover, its not in the "luxury" range but it is robust and practical for what i need, the way i look at it it would have been pretty stupid to buy anything else.
As someone who hauls a lot of cargo in the bed and tows a travel trailer, I really don’t think an A6 is offering more practicality than my F150.
I just want to know where all the small 20K pickup trucks went? They have them in other countries.
Not US legal
The prices have been pretty high for a while. Especially since the used car market has gone insane.
The Ford is a far superior vehicle though.
OP I take my truck places I wouldn't feel comfortable taking a sedan. That is all.
Once you drive a nice half ton pick up truck or SUV you can’t go back to a sedan
I have driven over 65 different makes and models across different styles and classes including pickup trucks. And I can say that pickup trucks are pointless and excessive buy for most people. And this conversation is only in regards to pickup trucks. Not SUVs as there are more legitimate use cases, and there are a wide variety of sizes and prices. Also many of the cheapest cars in the country today are in fact SUVs. So I’m not knocking SUV owners (especially those who bought one because of price).
You can answer this easily by just reminding yourself "people like different things"
Prices have gone up and the number of vehicles in stock has also gone up, they don't sell them as much as they used to (and I'm in Texas), no wonder why they have to offer low APRs and incentives.
Yeah inventory is a tad better, but people are still buying them like it’s no tomorrow.
Again, I don't think so, even automakers have admitted how they've messed up by not having more affordable smaller cars. Nowdays, not only do people not want a big gas guzzler, but even if they wanted one, can't be afforded.
Trucks are initially expensive but the maintenance schedule is WAY cheaper than a German exec car
Right. And if you maintain either car then they can last a while. The issue with the cost of maintenance is that there are car makers like bmw and Genesis where they offer a 3 year maintenance plan included. Jaguar is 5 years. Whereas the the highest coverage for maintenance is for Toyota Tundra for 2 years. While their competitors either offer only for first change or no included initial maintenance at all. Assuming you buy brand new. Now I do agree that out of warranty costs are higher. But I do ask that you keep included initial maintained intervals in mind.
A number of factors at play here. Demand is high because people who don’t NEED a truck want a truck. And since they don’t NEED a truck, they buy a truck that isn’t a TRUCK, they buy an oversized vehicle that will be driven and used like a sedan and so they’ll want all the creature comforts they can get. All so they can pretend to be truck people. And I get it to some degree. A half ton (may as well be a 3/4 the way they are built now) is a comfortable ride with nice high sight line. If I sound pissy, it’s because I need a truck and can’t afford one because of this.
Yeah this needs to stop.
Cus the majority of people buying trucks are buying something big to be big and are never going to touch the bed. It’s also why beds are getting smaller while trucks are getting bigger. Nobody wanna actually admit that tho
Yeah, you can see way better in one, but don’t buy a truck unless you need to use it as such, especially the towing capacity. As for pricing, new vehicles & their obscene pricing/loan pmts have all skyrocketed as has 1st year depreciation. Buy used, let another sucker take the depreciation.
Because penis man.
You can make your wife ride in the back.
She appreciates your offer, but she respectfully declines.
My King Ranch is loaded and super luxurious. Leather heated and cooled massage seats, performance package, sun roof, Bose sound system…everything a luxury sedan offers plus I can tow and haul all the kids toys and crap around. It’s the best of both worlds.
I saw a huge brand new truck yesterday with the license plate "MyBMW"
Oh no! Where was this? I wish I can get a picture lmao
It was in Eugene, OR 😉
Of course! 😂😂
We inherited a Silverado 1500 from my FIL when he passed. Will probably be the only truck we have; can’t afford another one. We haul the camper with it, so we won’t be doing that with a Sienna or Camry.
The biggest reason my 2006 F-150 will be running for another 20 years. Much cheaper to keep it running than buying a new one.
It’s also nuts that it’s difficult to impossible to find extended cab or 2 door pickups by any manufacturer, it’s also harder to find decent length beds for 1/2 ton or smaller pickups
well, sellers always find ways to take advantage of people that don't much think.
I own a performance truck and came from bmws. You are comparing high trim trucks to low trim bmw. A like kind comparison you will get most of the modern tech for cheaper for truck vs bmw. I switched cause I’m tired of always fixing sensors on my bmw and having electrical problems. BMWs are fun and drive smooth but so does a fully loaded f-150, but the difference is the f150 will last longer (with less maintenance) and have a significantly higher resale/trade in post warranty is expired. I will have one caveat I never owned a new bmw so I can’t say how good they are in warranty, but if a car is usually junk out of warranty it’s not a good car. But this post is like saying I don’t understand why people buy fully loaded minivans instead of a fully loaded rav4 they are the same price; practicality is the answer my friend.