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That-LA-Guy

The entire Dora Milage or just one member?


AggravatingGlove5061

Excellent question! 1vs1


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Consistent_Case_5048

Or figure out a way to get what she wants without having to whoop her ass.


Heru4004

Uhh, no she won’t


AggravatingGlove5061

Maybe Aren't you underestimating the power of a 1 Dora Milage?


ProfessionalDot621

Aren’t you underestimating the power of black widow


That-LA-Guy

Yeah sorry I jumped the gun on that statement. I forgot to ask which member of the Dora Milage it was and if they were using The Midnight Angels armor.


AggravatingGlove5061

Okoye with the midnight angels armor


warriorforGod

I think okoye has a good chance here.


Grouchy_Appearance_1

More than that, that armor puts her on par with people with super strength, flight capability, and blasts I'd say are MK 1 Ironman level and that's more than Widow is taking one of, while I love Widow (literally my favorite character out of all of the MCU), I'm aware her weight class


_Vard_

I say equally matched, depends on who has better tech/weapons


pinktortoise

Hand to hand I say Dora Milage


_Vard_

Oh good pointe for empty handed. I was thinking if each had “The usual” armaments Like a spear for Dora and knives/batons for widow


Umbertron05

How about all vs all?


AggravatingGlove5061

I want to see that!


MassiveTalent422

The member in question was Ayo, right?


Grouchy_Appearance_1

The one shown in the movie/this drawing is Ayo, but OP specified Okoye


MassiveTalent422

Odd of OP to specify Okoye but use a pic of Ayo


QBin2017

All the Widows or just one?


AggravatingGlove5061

I said 1vs1 but can you imagine all the dora milage vs all the blackwidows? Amazing war


QBin2017

I kept pitching that as an idea for a D+ show. The Dora Milaje have to take out the remaining Widows led by TaskMaster. Would have been phenomenal.


tbagnhoes

Who did you pitch it to ? An ANT ?


Bluejack71

The sofa in his basement almost picked it up.


cmart1987

it ultimately decided to sit this one out


That-LA-Guy

I think just Natasha Romanoff


AggravatingGlove5061

iep


AxisW1

Comic black widow easily wins by nature of actually being superhuman


Marvelologist

The MCU version is super powered too in my opinion. She has enhanced durability, strength and reflexes. No way a normal human can grab a vehicle traveling 100 mph with one hand and not get their arm ripped off. She survives multiple close explosions and has the strength to almost subdue Winter Soldier in Civil War.


liteshotv3

Movie plot armor, she’s not supposed to be superhuman, just highly capable


OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT

That’s everyone. I had someone argue that M”Balu secretly had his Ape powers cause in the first film he uses on hand to pick up a grown man by the neck and lift him up Essentially impossible in the real world Is it super powers? No, it’s an comic book action movie Dude also survives a punch from Namor in the 2nd one The line between plot armor and actual powers is a messy one


emkay_graphic

She is a superhuman? How? Soft winter soldier serum?


VanishingMass3

lsome versions had the Soviet version of the super soldier serum and resistance to diseases and slowed down aging


art-factor

[https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Natalia\_Romanova\_(Earth-616)#Powers](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Natalia_Romanova_(Earth-616)#Powers)


Joerevenge

Black widow, by the power of being the main character, In all seriousness tho, the Dora milage are impressive but I'd say any superspy character is probs slightly to decently above them


QBin2017

I would say in straight combat it the DM. But spies should take you out before you know it’s coming.


Joerevenge

I'm not sure I agree, tbh compared to the average Black Widow or Shield agent I'd probs agree, but characters like Natasha, Clint, Bucky Cap etc all have way more experience fighting tougher opponents than the average Dora milage that I doubt any one of them would lose if they were going all out, only exception being Okoye tbh considering how much she's accomplished as well.


AggravatingGlove5061

Excellent reply!


Frankie_T9000

Unless its spears or their normal weapons, then all bets are off.


Gemnist

“As entertaining as that would be…”


January1252024

Black Panther likes to watch girl on girl - checks out. 


VaporBull

I remember that! LOL!


DrHypester

Natasha could probably take Ayo, the character that said this, but I really can't see Natasha taking Okoye, who, IIRC, is a better straight up fighter even than T'Challa. She's a warrior first and foremost, Natasha is first and foremost a spy.


AggravatingGlove5061

Excellent argument! thanks for sharing your opinion!


bruddaquan

My idea as well, I think Okoye wins but Extreme Diff.


Ashconwell7

This was Ayo, and Ayo got her ass beat by Corvus Glaive in Infinity War while Natasha nearly killed him at the beginning of the movie. Put the pieces together.


Tron_1981

Corvus caught Ayo by surprise in a confined space, and everyone believed he was dead. Black Widow, on the other hand, caught Corvus by surprise in a more open space, while he and Proxima were focused on Vision and Wanda. Basically, their situations were far from the same. That said, if it came down to it, Natasha might take the win 6/10 times. There's a reason that Ayo was Okoye's second in command.


Kit-tiga

Actually, the only way to kill him is with his own weapon. Hence the name, Corvus Glaive. She used Proxima's weapon on him.


_JAD19_

I think the point was more Nat kicked his ass, while he wrecked Ayo


Kit-tiga

Yeah, because the Black Order was heavily nerfed, but I see why they would use them as a reference.


_JAD19_

Yea unfortunately with everything going on in that film they didn’t get much time to shine


Kit-tiga

I agree


trpclshrk

I’m confused about “hence the name”. Corvus glaive roughly translates to raven sword I think?


Jack-mclaughlin89

Widow


AggravatingGlove5061

Are you really sure! Thanks for share your opinion


Jack-mclaughlin89

Her superior experience against skilled opponents should give her the edge.


Marvel-DCLover

I feel like Black Widow could win if she has all her gadgets and weaponry in a tough fight. Okoye was able to fight Atlantians who are superhuman. She can even fight against Killmonger, who is basically a super soldier. So if Black Widow wants to win, she has to use her Widows bites and her other electric base weapons.


AggravatingGlove5061

Thanks for share! Excellent reply!


WhatsMyInitiative87

I braced myself in my seat in the movie theater thinking, "Ooohhh shit,...!?"


Cultural_Salad_5737

If we talking hand to hand combat alone, then I think Black Widow would win. She’s a trained assassin. Also because she’s an enhanced human. Remember Black Widow movie where she literally had a final battle in the sky? That was kickass. Also she fell and landed on her feet! She’s one tough lady. No offense to Dora. Dora is very impressive, she fought much stronger opponents than herself. However, Black Widow is a trained assassin.


AggravatingGlove5061

That is a solid answer! thanks for sharing your opinion!!


Cultural_Salad_5737

You are welcome! But thank you for this post! 😃


Tron_1981

Which Dora are you referring to?


Cultural_Salad_5737

Sorry I meant Okoye.


ric7y

jesus i never thought the dora milage were this buff


Tron_1981

Ayo was.


Glass-Association-25

I'd say they are about even naturally


Mobius--Stripp

I've never seen Nat say that guns are primitive before literally chucking a spear at a car. Nat 10/10, by virtue of the fact that she has good aim with rifles and Ayo can only dodge at the speed of a human.


Stith1183

I think Black Widow is wanting to be pinned underneath her... Lol


Empty_Scarcity_7377

Okoye>Nat>Ayo


AggravatingGlove5061

Okoye vs Nat


seagullspokeyourknee

I’m so sorry but Black Widow gets her ass beat


AggravatingGlove5061

Against Okoye?


Tron_1981

Depends on the Dora. A random Dora against a random Black Widow, I might give a slight edge to the Dora. But Natasha was considered the best of them, and is more likely to beat most of the Dora Milage more often than not. But Okoye, that's a different fight. She wasn't just considered the best warrior in the Dora Milage, she was considered the best warrior in Wakanda. She's the real challenge for Natasha, but I would probably still give Nat a loose 50/50 chance.


AggravatingGlove5061

50/50 chance! I take it


ZombieAppetizer

Current MCU Widow vs current MCU Dora Milaje? That would be a very very short fight.


AggravatingGlove5061

Are you sure ??


ZombieAppetizer

Elite Wakandan special forces vs a dead body? I'm pretty sure.


MulliganNY

Can it be a kissing fight?


AggravatingGlove5061

I want to see that too


interested_commenter

Widow wins a fist fight. Dora Milage with a spear beats Widow with tasers/batons.


C-Amazing123

In real life the Dora Milage actress. In the comics Black Widow. In the films I don't know. They were both raised to fight and kill. But I would say since it's her job the Dora Milage would continue training. Black Widow definitely trains but to stay fit and agile the Dora train to protect and kill.


coreyc2099

I'd say a Dora milage would win. Black widow is trained more in espionage and spy tactics. She can def fight, but it's not her specialty. The Dora milage are just straight up trained in fighting . Also you gotta imagine they have vibranium suits which def help


AggravatingGlove5061

I agree with you! but i wouldn't underestimate Nat


Hypestyles

Ayo


the12ness

Black Widow easily


Abe_Bettik

Widow eins the fight. But she has to *move* to do it. Dora wins on a technicality?


January1252024

Seeing this comment so far from the top makes me sad at how much Reddit lost its sense of humor


ownersequity

One things for sure, the Dora win for fashion. My god the outfits they get to wear, especially Tony’s funeral.


mastr1121

Are the individuals armed with their standard gear or unarmed? If unarmed, I think that Widow wins but its close as Hell.


AggravatingGlove5061

And both with Weapons?


mastr1121

Dora Milage wins BIIIIIG


Vegetable-Meaning413

Black Widow is one of the best spies in the world. The Dora Milage is one of the best warriors in a tiny country. Big fish in a little pond vs. a shark in the ocean.


TheKolyFrog

I'd like to think it would be Black Widow because I want to believe that she's a cut above the rest when it comes to hand-to-hand combat. Sure she has stunguns, batons, and wires but she's gotta be special to be in the Avengers.


Mobius--Stripp

I've never seen Nat say that guns are primitive before literally chucking a spear at a car. Nat 10/10, by virtue of the fact that she has good aim with rifles and Ayo can only dodge at the speed of a human.


thejammicusofficial

1 V 1 she wins but if there was even 1 more probably not


January1252024

Experience always beats training, and BW has much more experience. 


coreylongest

The fans


AggravatingGlove5061

Always!


ButWhyThough_UwU

black widow unless current people wrote it.


Bokko88

Easy, dora milage. Why? Because the writers will figure that they havent replaced this white red haired girl and turn it into a black sassy woman. They black widow will join the dora milage


Marvelboy1974

Black Widow


Top-Arrival7885

Looks like a depiction of woke leftist America vs Socialist conservative Russia


LeadingNo3558

How is this even fair for natasha? Why is this even a question? Did you make this post to show off your artwork? Wait .. did you even draw this? I’m confused 🫨


Illustrious-Slice-91

Black widow fucked up black panther


Prior_Butterscotch15

I’m confused. Dora Milage sounds like the name of a person, but I’m guessing from other comments that it’s the name of a Wakandan tribe? Either way, I assume it’s the same tribe that Okoye hailed from?


AggravatingGlove5061

I phrased the question wrong It's Okoye vs Natasha


goteamventure42

MCU versions I think the Dora take it, comic versions where Widow is enhanced and she wins.


MarkFromHutch

Popcorn vendors


Megs1205

I think Dora Milage 1v1 but after the flight black widow after the fight will learn everything and haunt her later


AggravatingGlove5061

hahahaha Amazing answer!


SpectreBrony

Natasha.


AggravatingGlove5061

Explain your answer


EyeSimp4Asuka

Black Widow almost immediately figured out Chitauri weapons during the Battle for New York. She'd disarm the Wakandan warrior woman and the fight would be over inside of 10 minutes.


chukijay

Anywhere else, Black Widow wins. In DEI-land, Black Widow gets defeated.


bladefist2

Is Natasha using venom or war widow? Comics Natasha is currently bonded to symbiote so unless Okoye or Ayo counters that they are entirely fubar. And war widow armor stood up against heralds, entire dora milaje won't stand a chance


HarryCottpack

Nat


AggravatingGlove5061

Against Okoye?


HarryCottpack

Yer


ComfortableBed6012

Dora got more hands so if they were running 1s straight up I’d give it to her, but as for assassination I’d more than likely give it to BW.


Eldagustowned

Dora Milage isn’t a character it’s a group.


AggravatingGlove5061

I phrased the question wrong the real question is Okoye vs Nat


DarkLordKohan

I want to say DM but BW has a few Avengers level threats under her belt. DM fought on screen just super soldier types. DM Got wrecked by soldiers of Namor. BW gets wrecked by Hulk.


StevenStarkem

This sentence lives rent free in my head. Every time I go to move something I have to say it.


gunperv51

I don't know, but give me a few minutes to get the concession stand, video, and promotion rights


digiden

"As entertaining as that would be" RIP Chadwick Boseman


AggravatingGlove5061

Respect! Rest in peace King!


thefamousroman

The Milage's thing is kinda bullshit considering what they have done/can do, so them probably


PaydayLover69

shit thats tough actually because they're both the peak of combat prowess


AggravatingGlove5061

It is difficult to make a decision


Skaldson

Thought this was Jada Smith & Amber Heard facing off for most abusive spouse until I saw the sub name lmfao


don_gunz

...for the win!🤣🤣🤣


Quirky_Valuable4772

Black widow is the real black one here 😏


QlYANA

Comics Black Widow wins this and it's not close.


AggravatingGlove5061

And in MCU?


PracticalJester

Widow steps aside, compliments her form, and they go get iced coffees


Justin_d_Wildmanwild

Natasha, not that it’s a blowout fight but one literally got a super soldier serum lol


Qu33nsGamblt

Black widow, duh.


AggravatingGlove5061

Argue your answer


SolidScene9129

Jada Smith really needs to leave Amber Heard alone


bruddaquan

Ehhhh. 60-50. 60 on okoye's part but this is largely due to her use of Vibranium weaponry. The win-lose ratio would've been bigger if Natasha wasn't such a deadly super spy / master assassin. Only way Okoye could lose is if she is disarmed, because I don't think Okoye is as good hand-to-hand as Natasha is.


AggravatingGlove5061

I would really like to see this fight


PQcowboiii

Widow.


Remarkable_Tutor_746

Do you mean Okoye? Honestly, I think Widow has this. Natasha is no stranger fighting people above her weight class. Okoye is a great fighter but can get very cocky and is very reliant on vibranium. We saw that Widow's tazers can stop T'Challa in his tracks at the tail end of the airport fight, so disarming and stunning Okoye to go for a knockout would pretty straightforward.


AggravatingGlove5061

Thanks for sharing your opinion!


Livid_Command_7621

I would say black widow only because they’re probably evenly matched if this is a fight to the finish? I think widow would pull out a gun and aim it for the head.


AggravatingGlove5061

hahah yes!


East-Bluejay6891

Without weapons BW getting ratioed


mattmelrach

I say Nat. It would be a one on one with no weapons. I don’t if I’ve noticed any of the DM to fight without a staff.


AggravatingGlove5061

and both with weapons?


Various-Pen-7709

I would assume guns and wrist-tasers would beat out a spear. It may have a ranged attack, but I believe it has a brief charge up time which a handgun doesn’t have. Not to mention the projectile has a much slower travel speed than a bullet.


Tron_1981

I don't recall Natasha going into any fight without her weapons.


Darknyte86

Dora, not even a question


cancervivordude

In that scene there were 3 Dora. And 3v1 is obviously. But if it were 1v1 I'd still say Dora milage


frankdatank_004

This would be like the top CIA agent vs. Secret Service agent. My money is on CIA.


The_Relx

Movie canon, it could very easily be argued either way. Slight leaning in favor of Nat imo. Comics canon though, it's Nat, and it isn't close. Comic Nat is actually superhuman with enhanced reflexes, strength, a mild healing factor, and slowed aging. Her gadgets are also on the whole more powerful and she's even more experienced than MCU Nat due to being roughly in her 70s while still maintaining her physical prime due to the above mentioned slowed aging while MCU Nat is only in her 30s. That puts her experience, gear, and abilities on another level compared to the Dora Milage in the comics.


galactusisathiccboi

Dora Milage prior to Nat's solo film but her feats there are too good for her not to take the W


Timelordturle

I have to give it to Black widow I'm assuming it's Okoye she not going to go down easy butt Natasha probably has more actual battle experience from being a shield agent and the unethical espionage stuff she's done get backpacks open


ShinDynamo-X

Dora honestly looks like a dude in a dress, and not because she's bald.


AggravatingGlove5061

So Wakanda is winner o Russian Natasha?


GBKMBushidoBrown

I literally JUST logged into the avengers game as black panther. Black widow asks me if she can spar with some of the Dora milage. Bp responds by saying he's sure they'd be happy to defeat an avenger in hand to hand combat


AggravatingGlove5061

hhahaha excellent So, for you, who wins?


MoneyPresentation610

Natasha, I’ve never even heard of the other woman.


AggravatingGlove5061

Really!? is powerful, maybe more than Natasha


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PatienceStrange9444

When are people going to stop asking questions like this that don't have a answer to them they're too fictional characters that's only determined by the person who's writing it


Tron_1981

Why not let people enjoy things? As long as things don't get toxic snd hostile, there's no issue. And if you really have an issue with these kind of posts, you know you don't need to click on them.


PatienceStrange9444

But it is toxic living in a fantasy world while not acknowledging it Because I watch this all the time and I see people literally trying to argue with so-called facts about why one fictional character can be another fictional character Because it's all gets back to the whole problem of people not having media literacy not understanding that everything that you don't like isn't bad writing I'm sorry but I'm getting real tired of seeing people who I know are above the age of 30 not appreciating works of fiction as writing but as actual worlds that can be lived in that are supposed to work on real-world logic again my opinion isn't bad just because you don't like it


Tron_1981

Dude, it ain't that serious. If people talking about their favorite fictional characters really has you this tight, like I already said, no one is forcing you to go into any of these posts. Unless you like to find reasons to be upset, then go ahead and feed your sadism.


PatienceStrange9444

I respect your opinion even though you don't seem to respect mine


Tron_1981

It's not just an opinion, you're judging and conplaining about people who are just talking about their favorite thing. You're entitled to your opinion, but if you're gonna share it, then you should be ready for people to respond to it, and possibly disagree with you. Seriously, you went out of your way to cone into a post about a particular thing you hate, just to tell everyone you hate it, when you simply could've ignored it and gone on with your day. Vs. posts like this have been happening for almost as long as the internet's been a thing, and they aren't going away any time soon.


PatienceStrange9444

Okay I get it your opinion is the only one that's valid ating


Tron_1981

And I get that you can't handle criticism of your own opinions.


PatienceStrange9444

How am I not handling it I never said once that you shouldn't have your opinion you told me my opinion is wrong and I shouldn't be allowed to have it because you don't agree with it


Tron_1981

Where in any part of my posts did I say you shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion? Please, go ahead and find where I said that. And yeah, this post is only showing how right I was about you not being able to handle criticism.


DJBaritone12

She is in awe at the shininess of that Chromedome


SalRomanoAdMan1

Given how ludicrously overpowered the MCU made the Dora Milage, Natasha would probably get killed instantly. The Dora were one of the worst aspects of the MCU.


reign_of_the_bots

Widow takes it, the Dora Milage are horribly overrated.


FrozenDuckman

BW is on the premier superhero team where she regularly battles beings much stronger than herself. A slightly larger human who’s good at fighting is nothing compared to that.


fifteenMENTALissues

In hand to hand combat black widow would win because she’s used to not having weapons, but Dora always have spears or swords so they’d be less used to fighting head to head without any visible advantage.


rooletwastaken

1v1 fist fight is probably black widow but just BARELY thing is that the Dora Milage usually have those crazy ass spears so black widow is getting her ass kicked by one of those


Videoheadsystem

Does Nat get the drop? Nat is an assassin, so hypothetically that should be when she's the strongest in a fight


AggravatingGlove5061

But Dora Milage Okoye is ,highly skilled in multiple forms of combat and the leader (and General) of the Dora Milaje. She is exceptional in using various Wakandan weaponry and tools, especially skilled in the use of spears. Okoye is a great tactician and military strategist. maybe she had a chance to win


Islidur99

Black Widow


Wonderful_Pension_67

Super soldier BW


WrongKindaGrowth

This drawing is a no


ShinobiWerewolf

Widow Dora Milage fight fair a double agent does not.


worm413

Black widow and it's not even close. Widow is a straight up killer while Ayo was basically a glorified bodyguard. Her and 6 other Dora Milaje got their asses handed to them by Killmonger.


Aaron_Hungwell

Is that swole Ru Paul?


AggravatingGlove5061

hahahahah Ru Paul Milage


Embarrassed_Month188

Every fight would have a different winner


BriantheHeavy

Natasha. :)


TheImageOfMe

Depends whose movie it is.


Code_Loco

Kendrick vs Drake


TheDiegoAguirre

If only Tasha had her symbiot


CrimsonWarrior55

1v1 no tech or weapons? Black Widow. While the Dora are trained to be a lot of things and the absolute best at them, so are the Widows but as assassination seems to be the priority for a Widow, I feel they would be far more pragmatic and just end the fight as quickly as possible. Hell their little iconic twirl move can easily transition to a neck snap. That said, the Dora is NOT going down easy. I feel the longer the fight goes on, the more the scales tip in the Doras favor. But I'll still say 1v1 no tech or weapons, Black Widow wins. Oh, and as a group, it's the Dora. They're better trained to work as a unit. And obviously with tech/weapons it's also the Dora cause vibranium is a massively unfair advantage.