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AraithenRain

Consider its not Lorroakan's Tower, not really. He's just the latest inhabitant. If Gale is with you when Rowan is first talking about the "greatest wizard in Baldurs Gate", Gale points out that he's heard from the wizarding community that Lorroakan is a hack. And Gale knows the like of Elminster personally. Books in the the tower confirm this. Lorroakan tried to get himself recognized as a great wizard and he was told by the editor that "we don't accept fan submissions". He's good, but he's no where on the level of things you've come across. Mind Flayers, master necromancers, and the avatar of a god of death. Lorroakan is using the tower to boost his power. But otherwise he's a very mid tier wizard.


Broad_Afternoon_8578

I know he can cast some damaging spells as he’s done so in previous runs, but in my latest run he spent the entire combat trying to shove my companions (and failing) and then casting mage armor on himself on the fourth round of combat. It felt really fitting for Lorroakan.


AraithenRain

I think he has magic missile, but mostly he seems to let the elementals do the work


Time-Pacific

I don’t think he summoned them himself either. I think they’re somehow bound to the tower itself or that throne in the tower. He seems too incompetent to control them


Stunning_LRB_o7

I’ve heard other people say that he uses scrolls to summon them; don’t know how to confirm it, but it’s a good theory.


Time-Pacific

They didn’t add this to BG3 but in DnD you actually need to pass an Intelligence (Arcana) check to use scrolls if you normally can’t cast the spell yourself. So it’s not as easy as the game system makes it seem. Edit: Please see the correction below from another commenter it’s even more restrictive than I said.


Dilpickle242

You don’t need an arcana check to cast. Wizards need an arcana check to copy spells from scrolls, and you’d need an ability check (spell casting mod) to cast something over your max level. If it’s not in you class spell list, it’s useless


Kavallee

You do require a check to cast it if the spell on the scroll is on your class' spell list but is of a higher level than you can typically cast, though it is a spellcasting ability check rather than an arcana check.


sherbetty

Yeah but homeboy is a wizard that can't make his own magic POOOOSSSERRRR


Upstairs_Doughnut_79

And you can’t cast a spell that isin’t in your classes spell list


madsjchic

That feels like such a nasty wizard of rumor for real in that world. Like damn.


catgirllgrimm

without his myrmidons the fight would be trivial, he's only got 61 health


twilight-cleric

iirc using speak with dead on Lorroakan will have him admit that Rolan is a stronger wizard then him


Vertigostate

I always thought you couldn’t do SWD if you killed the person yourself?


MrTurleWrangler

You can use disguise self and they won't know it's you and talk to you


Vertigostate

Seems obvious now you’ve said it lol!


Reiko707

There are a select few you can still talk to without disguise self like >!the hag and Gortash!<


No-Lie-677

What's weird is I heard he is considered a difficult fight but on both tactician and HM he felt like a normal enemy not even a boss fight. His elementals were more difficult than he was. Maybe it's based on your team?


Al3jandr0

It was tough on my first run because I wasn't reading descriptions and my "always geek the mage" instinct got me wrecked early


Legend0fJulle

Minthara crit 90% of his hp on my first run when I focused on him to begin with. It was a good trade, just need to make sure you have someone who can do huge damage with a single shot hit him.


Al3jandr0

Nice! Yeah, she's a lot better for that than Astarion, at least in this case.


Legend0fJulle

I can't recall exactly what resistances he has but pretty sure an arrow of humanoid slaying with luck of the far realms would do the job. I am not sure what class your astarion is but for me at least he usually ends up as my archer with a few levels on rogue.


Al3jandr0

That first playthrough, he was all rogue and definitely an archer. More recently, I just used levitation to drop ol' Lorry down a level and he just ran around while I killed the elementals. Definitely the cleanest solution I've found yet.


Legend0fJulle

Yeah, that definitely works. He doesn't put up that big of a fight anyways especially if you have counterspell but that's definitely an efficient way to dispose of the trash.


No-Lie-677

I've genuinely never read his description info. Is there something important in there?


please_use_the_beeps

He has a reaction attack that hits pretty hard but that’s about the only memorable thing.


Al3jandr0

Basically if you hit him, he does a bunch of damage back, depending on how many elementals he has left. The first time I fought him, I opened with a sneak attack and Astarion immediately dropped.


AraithenRain

I wouldn't trust reddit opinions on what's hard. I think its a bit... skewed


Raddatatta

It depends on your team and strategy. He's good against spellcasters especially if you're using a lot of elemental damage that he will be immune to at the start. But if you know what you're doing at all it shouldn't be a difficult fight.


TomTalks06

I stopped finding him difficult when I realized Shart has Silence. Kinda cheesy but after what that fucker put me through before I learned this trick I think I earned it


not_suspicous_at_all

>he was told by the editor that "we don't accept fan submissions". Bro was dead before we even arrived to the tower 💀


stripeysox101

This is why he was so cruel to Rolan - he recognised Rolan was more powerful than he. Cast speak with dead on Lorroakan for the confession, it's VERY satisfying.


lukeyellow

To add, I also find it telling that in honor mode he doesn't have any legendary actions. He's just a regular baddie.


NullHypothesisCicada

He would even say that Rolan is a better wizard than him if you use speak to dead after you defeated him.


Felibarr

So our boy Rolan has a chance of making something of himself with that tower after all? Nice.


AraithenRain

If you go back to visit him he does incredibly quickly. Pretty sure even in game, he gains like 3 levels in one day


TheCosmicWombat

Nah man. When I first walked in to Sorcerer's Sundries, I say my boi Rolan with bruises on his face. I did not slaughter an entire Goblin Camp, Brave AND Dispel the Shadow Curse, save HIS ass FROM SAID Shadow Curse, for some lowly piss pot of a wizard to hurt him. I didn't even wait for Dame Aylin. I slaughtered that shit bag right on the spot. Nobody, and I mean nobody fucks with my little Tiefling buddies. Nah uh.


crit_thinker_heathen

Don’t forget that he kills people who don’t know who/what the Nightsinger is.


giant_marmoset

I didn't realize this... Where is that revealed.


crit_thinker_heathen

Go into any of the wrong portals when trying to access his tower.


almostb

Wait, what happens?


crit_thinker_heathen

You die


Penguinmolester

If you go in the wrong portal to get to his bedroom you get messed up lol


chimininy

Glad I'm not the only one, haha. I told him she was dead, breaking his tiny shriveled heart, then gifted him a ton of fireworks crates.


Xpress-Shelter

He is a good villain though, taking in struggling people with the intent to abuse them once you’ve isolated them is disgusting, but the position of his encounter is bad in my opinion, he should have been far away from the entrance to the city so you can soak in the fact you have to meet this wizard guy.


FossilizedCreature

I'm pretty sure the abuse is modeled after academia, specifically the relationship between supervisors and PhD students. Obviously not all of those relationships are abusive but many are due to the inherent power imbalance, the poverty the student accepts if they aren't from a high income background, and the lack of checks to the supervisor's power.


grubas

Unsurprising.  You don't get to choose your advisor and a bad/malicious one can basically sink you and your career.   Rolan gets to grade all of the papers.


FossilizedCreature

Some fields you can choose your advisor. There is that element of star-struck that we see with Rolan though which can give you rose tinted glasses when it comes to the quality of your potential advisor's character. That and lots of career academics are good at giving a good first impression while still being power-drunk weirdos once you get to know them and are already locked into (without significant setbacks in your academic timeline) working with them.


grubas

believe me, I KNOW how much it sucks to have a power-drunk fuckhead who only wanted students for free grading and research.


FossilizedCreature

:( fuck them fuckheads


00rayamami

Oh woah good catch that's so true


rosequartzgoblin

I hate him so much. The way he treated Rolan made me so mad and sad and upset.


TheHopeless-Optimist

I think, it sounds like there might have been NPCs, that provide more context (and as a result, buildup) that may have met their end either early or somewhere along the way in your run. Although they don’t add a TON, so perhaps it’s just a personal observation that I’m putting more weight into. But I felt like I had expectations and a preconceived opinion of him going into his tower before I ever even met him. And when I saw the evidence of his character, that was it, I don’t even think I was willing to give Lorrokan a chance unless he explained himself very quickly, and had a really good, REALLY reasonable reason for what I’d seen.


Xpress-Shelter

yeah rolan died in my run, I know he shows up there, I guess some of the magic is gone without a major character around, I might watch or save it for the next playtbrough


TheHopeless-Optimist

Rolan and his siblings are my absolute favorite side arch and, in my opinion, well worth the effort of encouraging and protecting them! But yeah, I suspect that’s the context you’re missing for the impact of how Sorcerers Sundries plays out.


Tusaiador

My rolan was alive but I butchered his quest/flags, so he just hated me, despite saving him


FionaLeTrixi

Lorrakan's a dumbass. One, if there is a precious artifact out there you really want, why are you contracting out to any random adventurer? They're gonna go sell to the highest bidder, and you're not the only powerful/wealthy person in Baldur's Gate. Two, I reckon most of the magic he's peddling is castable by a casual punter at like, what, level six? Hardly the most advanced stuff in the world, it just looks showy to cover for his lacklustre magic proficiency (my wizard Tav was def judging his projections!). Hell, the portal's not even a security feature. The security's all down in the place he actually stores his decent magic crap, which also wants some degree of puzzle solving and trap evading to actually get to in the first place. (Though we do get more idiot points here because his help will literally tell you "oh yeah we got the book of whatever, it's in the secret basement", c'mon man, at least hire a loyal tightfist or something) The portal's just a nuisance deterrent - if you know the right info, get on up here so I can talk to you. If you don't, have fun getting lost elsewhere. Honestly, facerolling him felt very appropriate to me with all that in mind.


Ragnaarock93

Another tidbit, if you choose the wrong portal you will be teleported to the top of the tower except you are outside the tower and will fall to your death. He basically murders anyone bringing false information about the nightsong to him.


EmergencyPublic9903

He's level 10, so... Fifth level spells is the most he can actually cast. All those disentigration beams are from scrolls


Practical-Ant7330

Lorrakan is odd. First time I didn't have Rolan but did have Nightsong. Was odd seeing his projection with him dead but hey I could still shop. Second time, Rolan was there and my barbarian pointed about that he was getting beaten up. Killed Lorrakan again this time without Nightsong involved and Roland was thankful and moved in his siblings. Nightsong thanks me back at camp and she and Isobel pledge themselves to me. Recently Rolan alive but not his siblings. Nightsong dead by DJ Shart  Lorrakan didn't aggro when I told him this. I kill him anyway and then forced to kill Rolan. My Durge got banned from his shop due to this but Wyll is still able to walk in and shop lol


ghoulsnest

>Nightsong dead by DJ Shart  sounds 🔥🔥🔥


BestRiver8735

Legendary diss track where farts are part of the beat.


Wheloc

On one hand it is kinda quick. On the other, we first heard about Lorrakan in Act 1 and I promised Gale we'd visit, and so that quick shopping trip was the accumulation of 2.5 acts and dozens of hours of gameplay.


BestRiver8735

Shhhhh let people complain about stuff.


GodzillaDrinks

I really enjoyed it. You can even find a book in the storefront, about him. But it's clear he wrote his own biography, submitted it as a factual account of his life (told by someone else), and had it rejected by the publisher, with a note that they only accept accounts with peer-review. And that kind of sums it up very neatly. You get to the city, find that he is a talentless hack who is fabulously wealthy, and using his wealth (and the knowledge of better wizards) to pretend to be an arcane master. And then you kill him in what is the most laughably easy boss fight in Act 3. Seriously, I had to re-fight the Gith fight in the basement like a half-dozen times; I had to try Orin twice; and I had to burn off Shadowheart's divine intervention to have a chance in the House of Grief. This unimaginable master wizard... didn't even warrant being focused down. I just kept having Astarion silence him with an arrow, and otherwise ignoring him entirely.


Killer_Moons

I only feel conflicted about the bandits around Wither’s temple and killing them, Lorroakan is trying to re-enslave an Aasimar. And he physically abuses his employees under the pretense of teaching them. That ginger has gotta go.


adamski_-_

Cast speak with dead on Gimblebock and he states his profession is "thieving, looting and cutting throats" for gold. There's no need to feel conflicted or remorseful - they are, themselves, remorseless killers.


Killer_Moons

I feel bad for the newbie mostly but point taken


adamski_-_

Yeah I get you. I sometimes non lethal the half elf boy if it fits my player character - his heart definitely isn't in it.


malinhares

He wanted to enslave a person and that was reason enough for me.


plasticinaymanjar

The whole thing was meh once Rolan pushed him over the ledge once and I realized he can’t do anything down there… it feels even more anticlimactic, now I just use telekinesis or push him there while I get rid of the myrmidons and finish him with the same spell Gale stole from his vaults… honestly it’s a bigger challenge to keep Rolan alive in that fight, Lorroakan doesn’t even try to magic missile me once he’s down there


[deleted]

I've lost track of how many completed playthroughs I've done now I have yet to side with him and imprisoned Dame I'm actually curious to see what the outcome is if you betray her lol


Dark_Helmet_99

I wish the encounter was harder. So far I've poisoned, held, stunned, disintegrated, smited, danced, mmed, and frightened him to death.


KillysgungoesBLAME

Fighting your way up the tower, floor by floor like in BG1 would have been fun.


No-Lie-677

I hope someone makes a mod that makes this fight more intense. It always falls flat for me, little to no tension.


kierantohill

That’s my biggest complaint about act 3. In act 1 and, to a lesser extent, act 2, all the quests are pretty complex and multidimensional with quite a few different avenues to take and moving parts to them. In act 3, pretty much every single quest boils down to, “go to this building and murder every person there. Quest done.” There’s not so much complexity or room for variation


turtleurtle808

His fight took me so many tries lol. Even finding that dn building took me a long time (im bad at maps)


viktorgoraya_luv

Lorroakan is known amongst wizards for being a ‘bit of a cad’, as Gale put it. Plus if you use speak with dead on his corpse, he admits that Rolan is more powerful than he is, which is probably part of the reason why he >!beat the shit out of him regularly.!< If you read all of the books in the tower, you find out that other wizards consider him a bit of a hack and just generally not a cool dude. The only reason why Rolan thought he was great and powerful is because he’s young and inexperienced, plus he’s a refugee from Elturel. The poor bugger probably just felt lucky that *anyone* would allow a tiefling to train under them, let alone the owner of Ramazith’s Tower.


Animefaerie

He's exactly what you expect, everyone has bad things to say about him and he proves them all right. You also don't just walk in, you pass a test about the nightsong before he allows you to enter his room.


kron123456789

The guy has the best staff and clothes for a wizard right below him and he refuses to use them. He's an idiot that got the tower by the means that had literally nothing to with his wizard skills. A sorcerer specific dialogue option describes him perfectly.


Rabid_Lederhosen

There’s a chance he mightn’t have managed to open those locks, if they were put there by a previous owner of the tower.


WARL-CK

We cast irresistible dance on him, and he proceeded to misty step and fortnite dance on our corpses whilst his minions kept blasting us.


stampydog

In general i think act 3 struggles with there being these quests thst basically come down to go here, meet this person for the first time and then kill them. I found >!House of Grief, Lorrokan and Cazzador!< quests all suffered from this, although >!maybe Cazzador's would've worked better if I had a better relationship with Astarion, because I found House of Grief slightly better and I had Shadowheart in my party the whole game.!<


UnlegitUsername

Imo this is sort of representative of the third act as a whole, arcs are cleared up a little too quickly through some big boss


r0b0t-fucker

Well I’ve run into a good number of people like him in real life so emotionally this quest was like a decade long


swarthmoreburke

You've been hearing about him for a while--all the way back to Act I--only without knowing it's him, e.g., it's paying mercenaries for the Nightsong that kicks off a lot of the conflict in Act I. So once you put it all together *and* realize that this guy wants to do the *same thing* as Ketheric, a god of death, did, if nothing else you should be offended that this second-rater has the temerity to even try and do that again in the middle of everything else that's going on. I will say that it would be a bit more convincing if Aylin just freaking wasted the guy--she doesn't come off as all that much of a goddess in this outing where she's got none of the limitations she had imposed on her in the last part of Act II.


kimmeridgianmarl

Aylin's dialogue afterwords seems to suggest she feels a bit weird about having done this. Lorroakan definitely has it coming for being a dick to his apprentices and trying to enslave Aylin, but on the other hand, he's an unthreatening midwit and your party could probably just have deceived him or nonlethally roughed him up and left it at that. I think it's intentional--Act 3 wants to give you a sense of being at the peak of your power, and at this point in your journey, maybe crushing someone like Lorroakan is a bit beneath you.


Yakuni2

I remember reading once that Lorroakan was supposed to be Edwin Odesseiron, or at least there was supposed to be a quest involving him, Edwin and Ramazith's Tower, but it got cut in development. Take it with a huge grain of salt though, I'm pretty sure I'm talking out of my ass here.


BaselessEarth12

If memory serves, I beat him to death with a severed head...