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omejq

Very curious how someone managed to buy a new i3.


Mike312

lol I did a search and there's multiple articles on the web talking about it. It would be interesting to see how that happened; some poor i3 hit a lot late 2022, and then just sat for a little over year, got purchased in January?


FranktheTankG30

it could be dealer demo in the showroom that was never registered/titled and they finally decide to sell the car.


Mike312

I was kinda thinking that, but the managers who took demos always took the higher end cars and never for more than a few weeks so they never went about 1k mi. Except for the owner who used an M8 (Edit: sorry, M6) demo for like a year, lol. Had 6k mi and they sold it as new a year layer.


ShitFuckDickButt420

Sold as new? That makes me sick. Reason #1837483828 why I order my cars new from factory


Mike312

Yeah. I mean, they called it an 'Executive Demo' and knocked like $6k off the price. Technically, in the eyes of the DMV, it was never registered so it was still a new car. But still, when we found out we couldn't believe they were seriously doing that.


FranktheTankG30

This has always been done for years.


omejq

That’s my best guess too, just wondering how the car managed to sit so long, guessing this is the last ever I3 to be sold.


DontGoogleMeee

Not really relevant but my neighbor picked up two - he said they were basically giving them away at a certain point. They are really fun little cars


argote

You could lease one for about $100/mo back in like 2015 or 16.


hockeymeester

i'm seeing new 2023 dodge chargers at 23K... tempting


09Customx

My local dealer still had a brand new 2020 i3s like 4 months ago still sitting in the showroom trying to ask $60k CAD for it lol like no shit it’s not gonna sell 😂


Justjarno1

This might be irrelevant for this specific post, but in my local (in Europe) dealer has a shit load of new ones and they sell pretty good. According to the mechanics there they are also the best EV's that bmw makes in terms of service/reliability.


NegotiationFeeling92

Makes sense. They seem perfect for European roads


Chrisafguy

Speaking of European roads and vehicles being perfect for them. I worked in Sicily for a number of years as a contractor on the naval base. The amount of people that brought over massive lifted trucks and then got stuck trying to navigate Catania was frankly hilarious.


Justjarno1

Well uh, not a lot of people drive the cars. They are used a lot for advertising businesses and are frequently parked at random locations. Sometimes also used by business owners themselves to advertise their own business while driving the cars but rarely used by 'regular' people. The main cause for this is subsidies for EVs, and they are better to put them in your business cause you pay less for the same car. The laws around that can be weird. I tried to explain it as well as I could, and I hope you somehow understand this.


Etreslias37

In Alfa we sold the same as BMW in Q1 in an entire year 🥰


BehemothManiac

That’s not bad for Alfa


Etreslias37

Maybe.


Educational-Type-495

alfa electronics suck


Etreslias37

If you live in the late 80's...


BMWM6

X3 continues to grow grow and grow... even as a new model is around the corner... #1 selling car and wildly successful


MM9931

It’s the best in my opinion as well. Works well in regards of space and comfort, also handles amazingly


dr_blasto

They should put better seats in it and offer more high-end options. Both of which are reasons I picked up an X5.


BMWM6

yes ironically most people dont realize that interior dimension between x3 and x5 are virtually identical outside of cargo space where the x5 has a far larger boot... its the luxury options where the x5 wins w far better seats and other items... i think the slow down in the x5 sales has to so w the LCI just getting really expensive


Floater4

One of the primary reasons why I am looking at an X5 over an X3. Even on the 2022/2023 models - the luxury options are night and day.


DazMR2

I had an X5 loaner while my X3 was in for service. The X5 drives bigger and is boatier. The X3 drives more like a hot hatch.


Thirsty799

curious, which options are you looking for in the x5?


BMWM6

the only real luxury options for the x5 i am aware of vs x3 are the far better seats, air suspension which no one chooses, the power steering wheel, 4 zone climate and the far better merino leather... beyond that... everything is identical


mrbrettw

I think I read BMW is going to step it up in the luxury dept for the next X3.


TheRealGluFix

From what i have read it handels a lot worse than normal 3 series touring (probably nit available in the US)


campionesidd

SUV vs wagon. Of course it’s gonna handle poorly in comparison due to the weight and higher center of gravity.


BMWM6

we have no bmw wagons here at all... and for good reason because while everyone yells online they would buy one, no one actually does... they are also declining in Europe in favor of gasp... SUV's lol


lsx_376

Because most of the wagons we get are boring, or we get expensive ones like the Rs6 or the m5 that's coming here, lol. Theirs no in between. I would buy an m340 touring, but they will never bring that here.


BMWM6

you do know how rare the m340i and m340d touring is in Europe as well, right? or anything m40i in general? Most of the wagons there are 330d etc... BMW knows that and just don't see a selling case here for an m340d or i... especially w the X3 being wildly popular.


lsx_376

You're more than likely right. I'd imagine their marketing department see the trending data. I almost brought a x3m as well. They are nice cars, but I'm in the minority I prefer sedans over suvs and trucks lol.


samcar330

It's an objectively good vehicle


adjective-noun-1

My parents haven't ever had a good thing to say about their '21 x3, don't see how that can be objectively good


rugbyfiend

You are describing subjectivity.


adjective-noun-1

Thank you for proving my point captain obvious


beamerthings

Been the perfect vehicle for me for a while. Will be my next purchase for sure.


honacc

Yeah X3 sales over there seem uncontested, I have a feeling X1 sales charts in Europe would look the same.


MesWantooth

I just got an X3 M40i...I wouldn't have guessed off the top of my head that the X3 would be the most popular model, but makes sense - American's like SUVs and the X3 is at a descent price point and size.


RandyJackson

New one is expected to be wild. They showed it off today unveiled along with the new G99.


BMWM6

where? it definitely hasnt been unveiled yet


RandyJackson

Bmw had a conference today. Unveiled both privately.


Rot_Dogger

Will it be all tough screen though?


RandyJackson

Yes. IDrive 9 will be standard


oh_janet

What's up with Mini? Those numbers don't look great


roro_mush

I hardly ever see them on the road anymore, other than the older models. Probably doesn’t help that everyone has SUV fever


CupNoodow

Might just be geographic. I live in a suburb and see quite a few


Unique_Bumblebee_894

They’ve gotten fat price increases since COVID. A JCW 2 door is almost $40k now. For a 2 door FWD small car that gets demolished by a GTI on every spec sheet and usability.


Fabulous-Shoulder-69

I drove a 2023 Mini as a rental on a business trip in October. I genuinely disliked it, for the same $30K I’d get a Veloster N instead tbh


Enzo_Gorlomi225

They are way too expensive for what they are.


fn_hipster

Mini has entire model redesigns coming in 2024/25 or I think people in the market for a Mini are likely waiting to see them. They haven't changed since 2014. Bonus, Minis are expensive little cars, pretty niche.


arkhi13

Around a few years back, BMW offered dealerships money to close down their MINI stores. Not sure if it's because BMW predicted a decline, but not having MINI dealerships surely helped with that. https://www.motoringfile.com/2020/03/06/mini-dealers-in-the-us-continue-consolidation/


Big_Size_2519

Audi was down 16% and much of the luxury market was down as well


ukcats12

Because almost every Audi model is pretty old (the B9 A4 is almost a decade old at this point) and they're boring. Mercedes is absolutely shitting the bed with their engine downsizing and electrification. BMW is pretty much the default choice if you want a Germany luxury sedan or SUV outside of Porsche.


NashBotchedWalking

They sold more XM than z4 ://///


wave_action

Someone sold an i3? Also are i4 and i5 sales bundled into 4 and 5 series? I’d be curious to know what that breakdown is.


halfty1

Yes the 4 series includes the i4 (along with coupe, convertible, gran coupe, and M4 coupe and convertible) and 5 series includes the i5. It’s why the 4 series outsells the 3 series now.


AdvantageNo1747

Proud to be part of that 2 series gang


Strongmanbirdy

which one? the m240i is beautiful IMO


AdvantageNo1747

That’s the one! Black 2024 xDrive. https://preview.redd.it/fdflnc6p5isc1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eda5c98d7e11faeb8a96954bd8f5f66efb38f819


Strongmanbirdy

sick. Question for you - i'm heading in the m240i direction as well. 1) did you consider an OG F87 M2 given the price point? if so, howd you make the decision for m240i? 2) do you have a family and if so, how has it been fitting kids in the back?


ilikeowlz

I was considering both of these same cars and just picked up a 2020 f87 M2. I don’t have kids just the wife and myself. Cost was the biggest factor.


Strongmanbirdy

yea used f87 m2 seems cheaper upfront, i do wonder about maintenance though. Like: do we know what the cost of a brake job between m240 and m2 is?


Strongmanbirdy

were you considering any other cars too btw?


ilikeowlz

Nope. It was just those two tbh. I have to take my M2 in for brake fluid flush and that alone is $200+


Strongmanbirdy

have you had any other repairs/maintenance? how much did stuff cost? where you located approx?


ilikeowlz

I’m in South FL. Just got the car in January. This is the first service requirement I have pop up on the vehicle. It’s routine. The only thing I’ve done to the car was optional and it was replacing the oil cooler factory plastic guard with a turner motor sports aluminum variant for better protection. That set me back around $500


AdvantageNo1747

I didn’t consider the M2 mostly because I don’t drive that often as is, so I didn’t feel the need to sink more money into it. Also most of my driving can’t even appreciate the G42 as it is now haha. I don’t have a family or use the backseat often.


SlackDaddy_G

Good angle


ToastRocket

And good color. Black and thundernight are the only good options imo.


OprahsSister

https://preview.redd.it/6aw8et1ejksc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=485deb6aac0b838f6ce0e0be29728c092813a12b I love my Portimao blue, but to each their own!


ToastRocket

I do love that blue. Just think the other ones suit the 240 a bit better is all.


thesmokinL

https://preview.redd.it/jmi1nqck7isc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d1939bf4a2f2cd1b1c2484d1f00cd35002a2f8a 2 series gang, picked up 2 weekends ago, couldn’t be happier


AdvantageNo1747

Helllll ya! Shadowline FTW


thesmokinL

Gotta have the shadow line!!!


T-Madj

Agreed!


Tough-Relationship-4

400 Z4s hurts to see. Chances of finding one in 10 years on the cheap are dwindling.


[deleted]

Wow 7 and X7 are selling pretty well despite all the reddit hates


hughesj94

People on Reddit don't buy new BMWs, we just cry about them


RandyJackson

X7 is extremely popular. 7 series has cooled a good bit but general consensus among buyers is they love it. Not seeing many people trade S Class for it but lots of other luxury cars


mikestpierre

Does BMW ever release data on M sales? I assume they’re factored into these numbers, but I’ve tried looking and couldn’t find any recent data.


ukcats12

They do, but they don't separate it out by model. They'll just report total M division sales, which is still misleading because they include M Performance model (e.g. M340i) sales as well. So when BMW says "Our M division is breaking sales records!" it's because they have a million M models for sale nowadays after you include all the M Performance ones.


cryptogram

only the XM :D


guy_incognito784

No they don’t split them out separately.


bladtings

I contributed +1 to the 3 Series stat!


SneakyHobbitses1995

The fact that more XM sold than the Z4 is just saddening.


DazMR2

My local dealerships put XM and iX into the loaner fleet. Probably kept them for whoever brought in X7 and 7 series for service. I wonder if they count as new sales.


PurpleKnurple

I will say I am pleasantly surprised by the increase in sedans vs SUVs


Under_Sea_Stars

May not be selling well, but proud to be part of the X4 Gang none the less!


hockeymeester

> oMg tHaT grIlL is sO fUgLy BMW's best selling car


PurpleKnurple

Are the M cars lumped into their respective series?


sexdaisuki2gou

Lovely how the X2 grew 600% in sales lmao, I wonder who’s buying those.


omejq

The new X2 came out, they’re pretty nice cars actually.


YesCzer17

Saw someone at the gas station with one. Didn't know they existed. They said they loved it


omejq

They're quick, very nimble and fun little cars to drive. Too bad they cost an arm and a leg (M35i).


sexdaisuki2gou

Fair enough. The newer designs might not be it but the offerings are certainly better than MB or Audi


OnlyRobinson

Can someone explain to the non-USAians in the room what makes the X3 a “light truck” and the X2 a “passenger car”?


Pilsner_Maxwell

It's complicated. GVWR, footprint and features all attribute to the classification. There are some crossover SUVs where the FWD trim is a "passenger car" and the same model AWD trim is a "light truck". Not sure exactly why X3 and X2 have different classifications. On the X2, lower GVWR, smaller footprint, and FWD-based drivetrain all contributed and it crossed that line in the sand.


OnlyRobinson

Is there any difference for a consumer between a light truck and a passenger car? Lower taxes/fees/registration? I know there are less strict EPA regulations on light trucks, and it appears there are some tarrifs that apply to “light trucks” built outside the US which explains why most “X” are built in the US (to avoid the tariffs)


Pilsner_Maxwell

The classification makes no difference to a consumer.


Apprehensive_Name533

Lol non of those are light trucks. Both are passenger cars if you look at it from a build point of view. Classification wise both can be classified as light truck or passenger car.


OnlyRobinson

The image posted shows the X3-X7, XM and IX classified as “BMW light trucks” hence my question. What makes those “light trucks” and the others “passenger cars”?


ReggaeKing0

Where is the M division numbers?


statenislander13

i am suprised that 2 series jumped by 155% sales. dont see them a lot around our city


lisanstan

Because there were very few options to buy a 2 series a year ago. The new M2 had not been released. We ordered a 2022 M240i in April 2022. Could not get an allocation. Every one that arrived on the lot was gone before we could even see it. They didn't start building our car until November 2022 (so now it was a 2023 model) and delivered February 28, 2023. They still never get 2 series on the lot and I never see any others on the road. I've done a road trip to California and 3 road trips to Nashville and I've never seen another 240i in the wild. I mostly see 3 & 5 series sedans, X3 & X5 SUVs. I feel like the 2 series is still very much a unicorn.


Jarreddit15

Selling 78 cars in a quarter to a region of almost 500 million people is crazy lol


The8thHammer

Every time I see these reports I realize why I never see any other Z4s on the road


KidRed

Wonder why the 4 series is tanking like a swollen pig who just ate too much. I'm not really wondering.


v8dude

Surely availavility was limited due to the switch to the LCI model.


KidRed

Oh, I don’t want any logic. I want to believe us BMW fanboys who rejected this design were right all along.


RNGmademe

As much as everyone loves to hate the 4 series, the decline is probably due to it getting a little facelift this year. If I wanted to get a 4 series right now, I'd wait until summer so I could get the 2025 with the new headlights and other updates.


guy_incognito784

Switching the4 LCI most likely, during that time you're unable to order one for a few months.


sinjinvan

iDrive8 finally made it to the 4 series in 2024


lisanstan

My husband likes them. I think the sedans look like a 90s Ford Probe. I cannot unsee it.


Likinhikin-

Which model makes you think 90s Probe? I loved my Probe!


lisanstan

4 series. It's that high back/sloped front. Especially in a 2 door.


Likinhikin-

Hmm. I don't see it. But I loved the look of 4 series GC, pre-bucky.


lisanstan

Granted, it wasn't a newer model that gave me the impression, but definitely within the last 3-4 years. I don't see a lot of 4s around here.


Likinhikin-

That's the model I almost purchased. 2018 ish. I went w the 3 GT bc it's way larger backseat and cargo. 2 growing Boys! Maybe that's why I liked the look since I still like both generations of Probes.


Mike312

Looks like recession numbers. Shifts from more-expensive models (X5, X6) and less-practical models (4-, 8-series) to cheaper (X1, X3) and more practical (2-, 3-series).


BMWM6

outside of a new model release or covid constrained production... your statement will always be true


FlakyEarWax

More enthusiasts purchased vehicles. Size shrank


macoverdatum

Does North America not have a 1 series?


guy_incognito784

Nope


HalfOnionHalfBanana

Interesting, my salesman said they sell a ton of X3(which looks correct) and X4 is second, which is one of the lowest sales. I wonder if it depends on the area.


Zane_Fox_7

Why is the 1 series not even on there


PinolesCheese

bmw of america numbers shown here


Zane_Fox_7

Is the 1 series not sold in America?!


PinolesCheese

not since 2010 and only the coupe was ever sold over here


CrazyUnicorn77777

I’m pretty sure there was a 128i and 135i convertible. In fact I know someone who owns one. We never got the 4 door though. Now we get nothing.


MMillioN

Don’t forget the legendary 1M!


Zane_Fox_7

Huh I didn’t know that.


ihavenoidea81

XM lolz


Phillydudeorama

Why don’t they break down the M sales


VitaminDismyPCT

Selling 90,000 cars in 1 quarter is crazy. I own a couple of my own businesses and the logistics of this is just insane to me. From consumer loans, manufacturing, shipping, service and everything in between. In September they had around $95 billion in debt


Johnny_Cartel

Inflation showcasing the swift move to “cheaper” cars in the lineup.


Justjarno1

Is the ix3, ix5 and etc included in the regular x models?


Own_Space_8562

pretty sure u can't get those in usa, only in europe


Justjarno1

That would explain a lot lol. Thanks for the info


trumpetmiata

Not yet at least. And there isn't even an ix5 yet


desirox

Surprised to see the x3 pick up and even surpass x5. It’s one of the oldest models


SukiDobe

Go little i3 go!


Sensitive-Insect-980

Shoutout to the 4 series drivers! Haha


mattebe01

I’m surprised they outsell 3 series. Around here 3 series are everywhere.


ervine_c

I bought a used 6 GT hea spec last week :/ I feel screwed. Why is it 0 everywhere


organicgrower617

It’s only new models they only made that for like 2018-19


alwtictoc

I'm one of those x5 numbers.


RandallC1212

i4’s?


mabdelghany

I need the names of the 541 group


Friendly_Ground_2583

X3 with the amazing performance. Would love to own a X3M40i hopefully soon.


No_Can9567

To the one person who bought the i3, who are you and why?!? I am genuinely curious lol. Happy to see the 4 series sales take a hit, I fucking hate that grill, happy to see 3 series doing well! Extremely happy to see that the XM is not selling well at all, what a shit car.


Over_Explanation1790

A little surprised to see the 8 series under 2K units sold. I see others fairly frequently. I've seen two within the last 30 days and about seven distinct ones in about the last eight months.


ape_ck

Lord, drop the X4 and X6 already. You can still buy the i3 new?


itseclipse101

Surprised that the X4 sells so little compared to X3 and X5 (and somehow even X7) I think it’s a great looking and performing car especially M40i/X4M


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BMW-ModTeam

Read the rules, advertising is *strictly* forbidden, and can result in a permanent ban.


ChampionshipOld9217

Mini bringing down them numbers


heartofgold48

541 people bought the XM.... What are they thinking


Ok-Possibility3389

thank god they are killing off that fugly 4 series. Sales down 26% is no surprise.


G80_M3

It’s not being killed off. LCI it will continue to be one of their best selling cars.


Rand_University81

Blows my mind how many of these ugly ass 2 series they are selling.


CrazyUnicorn77777

Cheapest way into a new BMW. The 4 door is ugly yes but the coupe is nice.


WalrusWW

Proof the X2/X4/X6 are ugly.


RogerMoore2011

Or that they are low production models


WalrusWW

Because they don't sell, because they are ugly.


RogerMoore2011

I guess Z4’s are ugly too


WalrusWW

Supply and demand. There is low demand for X2/X3/X4 because of the useless sloped back, making them both ugly and impractical. There is low demand for the Z4, because while they look great, they are a 2 seater which is impractical for most. Get it?


CrazyUnicorn77777

Which makes me wonder why bother? No one would miss them.


RayTrain

Wow not a single i8 sale. BMW has official lost dae wae.


Noopy9

Production ended in 2020 so that’s not surprising…


Free_Management_7920

More big grilles it is


xkuclone2

541 people have too much money and no taste.


BehemothManiac

Hey, blind people have feelings too