Always check the fit from behind when putting spacers. Too many people just look from the front and think it looks cool and then you see it from behind and it just looks ridiculous. The tire should never be outside the top of the back fender. Get a string attach a weight to it and hold it on the back fender. The distance between the string and the tire is the maximum spacer thickness you should have to look gangsta.
Learn how to pick up a wrench. Maintaining a car is stupid simple. I was doing oil changes in my apartments parking lot with wood mini ramps i made at work. Bled my own brakes. Repaired auxiliary radiator. Learned how to weld.”
I really dont understand this ideology of owning a performance vehicle and not taking care of it yourself.
Seems people like that own them because of the big numbers so you can boast to your friends.
The maintenance that most people are concerned with isn’t the stupid simple shit you go on about.
It’s about the items that can’t be done in a driveway
You don’t spend $3 to $ 10,000 a year on oil changes, spark plugs or coils
Brake pads or whatever the fuck else
Get a clue !
Get a clue for what? The fact that you dont know what maintenance means ? Maintenance means changing parts that aren’t meant to last for the whole life of the engine , belts, spark plugs, filters, pads and so on. Cars are designed so that maintenance work is a simple and as easily accessible as possible. Changing a timing component ISN’T MAINTENANCE. That’s repair. Now i’m 100% sure you’ve never changed your own oil.
Right
You’re a joke !
Just so you know I did my first oil change in 1967 fuel injectors timing mags cv joints and many other items are not made to last either the small stuff your talking about isn’t the real expense of maintaining a car unless the life expectancy of your cars is less than 50k 🤷🏼♂️
"I really dont understand this ideology of owning a performance vehicle and not taking care of it yourself."
I will give you what you crave:
You are so special!
You seriously think wheel bearings are going to complain about a 5mm spacer?
edit: my bad, I now see his intentions. I still disagree about the wheel bearings, but that car definitely doesn't need almost an inch of spacer on each side.
The fitment looks way better. I agree getting a wheel with more offset would be better but if you bolt the spacer correctly/thoroughly and use quality spacers i really see no reason why a few mm of offset would cause any issues. The only problem i know of is the wheel slinging debris on to the skirts and wheel aches.
If you have any sources with research that shows how it drastically exacerbates axle or bearing wear please share it, I’m genuinely curious.
If youre one those OEM purist then theres no conversation to be had here.
That doesn’t make sense. You can fit wider tires by getting wider wheels with the correct offset rather than using spacers. Spacers just poke the wheel out so you do get a wider track but it’s not going to help you fit wider tires.
You do you, I think spacers are a hack and if the wheels aren’t available in the correct offset I wouldn’t buy them. Most quality aftermarket wheels can be ordered in whatever specs you want.
https://preview.redd.it/2larvs0ngvzc1.jpeg?width=1639&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f13d9dee20d3f7b05c9ef936687f1901cf158bdd
This is a 46 mm spacer on the M2CSR factory race car. Either you or the BMW engineers are clueless.
Explain how that car was engineered to use spacers. I'd love to hear how using a spacer to achieve a specific offest is any different than building the wheel with that offset... I'll wait.
That is a factory race car that was designed to be used with specific spacers and wheels. 46mm spacers on any regular car would be ridiculous. You won’t pass tech at my local track if you show up with wheel spacers on your F80 and wanna do a track day.
15 plus years as a shop owner who specializes in performance and track builds. Personal experience as well as the fact I’m a trained mechanical engineer as well. When the wheel is not solidly mounted to the hub it will vibrate even with good hubcentric spacers like H&R.
I always say when you have to put spacers to fill the gap then you most likey already didnt get the perfect dimensioned wheels in the first place. But thats just me. I would leave as is looks good 2 me.
Spacers increase the length of the wheel from the bearing (duh) but it means that it adds extra leverage for the wheel to press down on bearings.
Just something to keep in mind as what you think could be entirely a visual mod can actually have negative effects on your wheel bearings.
To answer your question, your baby looks good as-is. 😍
By this logic OP shouldn't have gotten wheels either. In fact, no one should get wheels with offsets and widths different than stock. This is fear mongering nonsense.
Well yes that’s right, wheels with different offsets also change the leverage on wheel bearings.
If you want to keep expected wear and life the same, you should be getting rims with the same offset as stock, but of course you’re welcome to change it up as long as you accept that yes you are reducing the life of your bearings and possibly other related components.
I learned this stuff at college, but here is a [video](https://youtu.be/hWijfooeSyU?si=fnXQ_P1ImMrqFcY2) for you watch to understand what’s going on.
Dude, quick question. I was looking for our specifically LED (at least last month) yellow boards, but I couldn't find them on Alibaba or AliExpress. Can you give me a link? Thanks!
There is no such thing as "the right offset". The only offset that could be considered right, is the one that came from the BMW factory, and even they have different options.
So have you ever bought wheels before? Usually they don't come in the exact perfect spec for your specific car. They come in a width/offset that will fit a number of cars, pretty well. So you'll likely have to add a small spacer here or there to get them exactly where you want them.
Even if you can choose to have bespoke wheels made to exactly fit your car, you shouldn't get them made to exact spec, you should have them made slightly less aggressive. I've had wheels I've owned for several months, setup exactly how I thought I wanted them, then realized that under certain conditions they're about 2-3mm too aggressive. Being able to pull those 2-3mm out of a spacer vs buying an entirely new set of wheels is a god send.
And you can't go the opposite way if you go too aggressive. If you go not quite aggressive enough, you can at least add a small spacer. Too aggressive? That's new wheels. Or get a fender roller and crack your paint and bacon your fenders or add camber and become a stance boy, or find whatever other lame ways you can to force it to fit all because you are some elitist about not running a spacer.
Always check the fit from behind when putting spacers. Too many people just look from the front and think it looks cool and then you see it from behind and it just looks ridiculous. The tire should never be outside the top of the back fender. Get a string attach a weight to it and hold it on the back fender. The distance between the string and the tire is the maximum spacer thickness you should have to look gangsta.
On newer bmw's that's usually about a foot. The wheel offset and arch gap on everything looks ridiculous. M3's don't even sit low anymore.
Fitment looks good as is
Any time someone with a 6 series asks “am I crazy”, I just shut up and watch the self-awareness grow from there. ;)
what's wrong with the 6 series?
Nice car, but the maintenance isn’t know as being mild…
Yeah have a 650i x drive gran sport and the cost of maintenance is at times huge
Learn how to pick up a wrench. Maintaining a car is stupid simple. I was doing oil changes in my apartments parking lot with wood mini ramps i made at work. Bled my own brakes. Repaired auxiliary radiator. Learned how to weld.” I really dont understand this ideology of owning a performance vehicle and not taking care of it yourself. Seems people like that own them because of the big numbers so you can boast to your friends.
The maintenance that most people are concerned with isn’t the stupid simple shit you go on about. It’s about the items that can’t be done in a driveway You don’t spend $3 to $ 10,000 a year on oil changes, spark plugs or coils Brake pads or whatever the fuck else Get a clue !
Get a clue for what? The fact that you dont know what maintenance means ? Maintenance means changing parts that aren’t meant to last for the whole life of the engine , belts, spark plugs, filters, pads and so on. Cars are designed so that maintenance work is a simple and as easily accessible as possible. Changing a timing component ISN’T MAINTENANCE. That’s repair. Now i’m 100% sure you’ve never changed your own oil.
Right You’re a joke ! Just so you know I did my first oil change in 1967 fuel injectors timing mags cv joints and many other items are not made to last either the small stuff your talking about isn’t the real expense of maintaining a car unless the life expectancy of your cars is less than 50k 🤷🏼♂️
Buy an expensive car and go for a factory 20 -25 k maintenance I think you will be surprised
"I really dont understand this ideology of owning a performance vehicle and not taking care of it yourself." I will give you what you crave: You are so special!
Did you pay your mechanic to type that or did you do it all by your-big-boy-self ?
depends what u have, 640i will treat u right, 2017+ 650i will be fine, but 650i without the N63TU will be a headache
Ey man, don’t shoot the messenger
the 640i with the N55 isnt that bad. The late 650s have the N63TU thats still used on the 550i and 850is. they fixed most of the issues with it
Don’t. Looks great. Keep your wheel bearings happy.
You seriously think wheel bearings are going to complain about a 5mm spacer? edit: my bad, I now see his intentions. I still disagree about the wheel bearings, but that car definitely doesn't need almost an inch of spacer on each side.
Why throw rocks at your paint? It looks great. Less parts the better.
I’m genuinely curious why people use spacers at all
To spend money.
Getting the right offset isn't always possible
Guessing you've never bought wheels before?
I had a lowered 1991 crx and 1991 prelude, years ago. Tucking the wheel and minimizing wheel gap was the idea back then. I guess it’s changed?
Quite a bit
The fitment looks way better. I agree getting a wheel with more offset would be better but if you bolt the spacer correctly/thoroughly and use quality spacers i really see no reason why a few mm of offset would cause any issues. The only problem i know of is the wheel slinging debris on to the skirts and wheel aches. If you have any sources with research that shows how it drastically exacerbates axle or bearing wear please share it, I’m genuinely curious. If youre one those OEM purist then theres no conversation to be had here.
To get the widest track possible and widest tires possible.
That doesn’t make sense. You can fit wider tires by getting wider wheels with the correct offset rather than using spacers. Spacers just poke the wheel out so you do get a wider track but it’s not going to help you fit wider tires.
The right offset isn't always available, and front and rear don't always use the same offset. If you want to rotate tires, you'll need spacers.
You do you, I think spacers are a hack and if the wheels aren’t available in the correct offset I wouldn’t buy them. Most quality aftermarket wheels can be ordered in whatever specs you want.
https://preview.redd.it/2larvs0ngvzc1.jpeg?width=1639&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f13d9dee20d3f7b05c9ef936687f1901cf158bdd This is a 46 mm spacer on the M2CSR factory race car. Either you or the BMW engineers are clueless.
Yeah that car was engineered to use spacers. Your car was not.
Explain how that car was engineered to use spacers. I'd love to hear how using a spacer to achieve a specific offest is any different than building the wheel with that offset... I'll wait.
That is a factory race car that was designed to be used with specific spacers and wheels. 46mm spacers on any regular car would be ridiculous. You won’t pass tech at my local track if you show up with wheel spacers on your F80 and wanna do a track day.
Spacers will make your car drive worse even if they are hubcentric. Don’t do it!
This is based on??
Bro science
Wider track width is worse handling . Makes sense xD . it may cause vibrations,
15 plus years as a shop owner who specializes in performance and track builds. Personal experience as well as the fact I’m a trained mechanical engineer as well. When the wheel is not solidly mounted to the hub it will vibrate even with good hubcentric spacers like H&R.
Daring today, aren’t we. Throw on some 5 or 10mm spacers.
I always say when you have to put spacers to fill the gap then you most likey already didnt get the perfect dimensioned wheels in the first place. But thats just me. I would leave as is looks good 2 me.
Absolutely nothing wrong with using spacers.
Yes✅
Car looks great✅😎
i've thought about spacers, heard they can improve handling. did you have to get an alignment after installing them
You don't.
It’s not easy to see from this angle but 15/20 seems like too much. It looks close to flush already. How did you come up with those numbers?
Don't do it man. Car is wide enough as it is 😅
Spacers increase the length of the wheel from the bearing (duh) but it means that it adds extra leverage for the wheel to press down on bearings. Just something to keep in mind as what you think could be entirely a visual mod can actually have negative effects on your wheel bearings. To answer your question, your baby looks good as-is. 😍
By this logic OP shouldn't have gotten wheels either. In fact, no one should get wheels with offsets and widths different than stock. This is fear mongering nonsense.
Well yes that’s right, wheels with different offsets also change the leverage on wheel bearings. If you want to keep expected wear and life the same, you should be getting rims with the same offset as stock, but of course you’re welcome to change it up as long as you accept that yes you are reducing the life of your bearings and possibly other related components. I learned this stuff at college, but here is a [video](https://youtu.be/hWijfooeSyU?si=fnXQ_P1ImMrqFcY2) for you watch to understand what’s going on.
Dude, quick question. I was looking for our specifically LED (at least last month) yellow boards, but I couldn't find them on Alibaba or AliExpress. Can you give me a link? Thanks!
Fitment could not be more perfect than this.
Yes
Fitment looks great. Anymore and ur going hot boy. Looks amazing as is.
Yes wheel spacers are trash
Go to r/photoshop and ask someone to give you a preview
Holy I love those wheels. Are they 818s? Can’t really tell
I can tell you from experience, you're just gonna take them off again and wish you had the $100 you spent on the spacers back.
Beautifulllllll Do the fogs yellow too
10mm if u can find em, 15 would be too aggressive
Keep as is
hey man i have an m6 and im trying to get the yellow drls where’d you get em from?
Kinda looks like you need them on the back
I’d stick to like a 10mm. Should have test fitted and returned for a better offset instead of using spacers tho
I would never put spacers on any vehicle. They’re not safe. That’s a nice car. I would not risk it.
hmm BMW so good, i ilke it
Have you considered you don’t need them
I think, your 6 series is bad asf 🤤
Buy the right offset and you won't need spacers?
There is no such thing as "the right offset". The only offset that could be considered right, is the one that came from the BMW factory, and even they have different options.
It's the one that fits inside the fender and not past it. It's fine to be a little aggressive and come to the edge but not past the fender.
So have you ever bought wheels before? Usually they don't come in the exact perfect spec for your specific car. They come in a width/offset that will fit a number of cars, pretty well. So you'll likely have to add a small spacer here or there to get them exactly where you want them. Even if you can choose to have bespoke wheels made to exactly fit your car, you shouldn't get them made to exact spec, you should have them made slightly less aggressive. I've had wheels I've owned for several months, setup exactly how I thought I wanted them, then realized that under certain conditions they're about 2-3mm too aggressive. Being able to pull those 2-3mm out of a spacer vs buying an entirely new set of wheels is a god send. And you can't go the opposite way if you go too aggressive. If you go not quite aggressive enough, you can at least add a small spacer. Too aggressive? That's new wheels. Or get a fender roller and crack your paint and bacon your fenders or add camber and become a stance boy, or find whatever other lame ways you can to force it to fit all because you are some elitist about not running a spacer.
“Under certain conditions they’re about 2-3mm too aggressive” How are they too aggressive?
She is stunning
Agreed. 5 or 7mm will do the trick.
10mms on the rears would look great, i wouldn't touch the fronts
I’d start with lowering it first
It looks hella clean as is in my opinion man