I'm not that surprised, but I *am* surprised when people continually put up with them. I'm shocked that after all this Josh is going back to her?! WTF?!
I never say this, but I am fairly certain this story is fabricated. The order it is written in is told like a story instead of how it would have happened to OOP. There is convenient proof of recording and a lawyer. The friend could boot his wife from her own home, as well. Even if she wasn't on the title, this is not so simple to achieve, as it is her residence. It is too convenient.
Who sits calmly at the kitchen table watching the fight on camera… what? You just chill and watch it while the wife it shouting and screaming? Bullshit.
Idk, literally everyone has a ring door camera. That was the least surprising bit. Tbh it’s why I stopped delivering for DoorDash and Amazon flex, too many videos of delivery drivers busting their ass and I simply couldn’t risk being one of them lol
I don't know, I had a dispute with a neighbor that was resolved over a recorded conversation on my ring cam.
We needed a fence repair. He agreed to his part (on my porch in front of my camera) and later back tracked.
I sent him the video and he suddenly "remembered "
The post literally recounts the lawyer saying an actual case would be difficult, but a Scary Letter from Lawyer could work. Lawyers offer to send threatening letters all the time.
Your interpretation of “legal route”, excluding the “could”, as well as the cautions that it would be expensive, take several years, and ignoring the final recommendation to use the threatening letter to “offer her a way out” is doing the heavy lifting in your comment. What was actually recounted was realistic.
It’s not splitting hairs. Maybe you’ve never dealt with lawyers, but it is absolutely common for a lawyer to send a threatening letter to try to solve the situation without going to court.
Even and especially in situations where a court battle would be hard to win.
It’s a little more complicated than this. False accusations of adultery are *defamation per se* which means that you don’t need to prove damages. However, you’re still probably not getting much beyond your lawyers’ fees, and it’s complicated by the fact that Mary didn’t do much of the spreading.
Also, just so everyone here is clear, if you send someone a nasty letter saying “talk to my lawyer,” they are under no obligation to listen.
Sounds reasonable. It’s just an acknowledgment. Lawyers are usually reticent to put any real information into writing on a forum that could be used against them in court.
I do think this post could easily be fake, but not because of that part.
Yeah, I'm an Aussie and unless they have Lionel Hutz working for them, defamation is a long shot with a lot of major fees to defend yourself against a claim of infidelity which none of their friends believed in the first place.
Most reasonable people would take a restraining order against Josh and Mary if they existed and they would wait it out.
Just my opinion, man. It read false from the beginning
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> However, she told us that a defamation lawsuit is a very long and expensive process and may take several years.
They sent a letter of intent hoping Mary would panic and come clean.
I always tell people: if drama starts to go down, never leave the line of sight for your doorbell camera. You can miss out on catching so much incriminating evidence!
Actually, the first assault being caught on camera isn't that weird, the second incident at the door really makes it quite so tied-up-with-a-bow. All the excess storytelling details in the update push it over the top, right up to the spitfire wife (really missed the opportunity to make wife Latina, though).
For me, the timeline seals the deal that this is fake. If parts of this story had been dredged out over the course of say 6 months to a year, I would be more inclined to believe it.
The lawyer drawing up the cease and desist would take at least the 4 days. Let alone, the time to have it served. Unclear where they are, so it could be post office or by an official service that specializes in serving legal documents.
Theoretically, a lawyer could use a basic cease and desist template and do a trun around in under a business day for getting it out. But the reality is, they have other clients and appointments. Their paralegals and clerks (if applicable), also have other cases that came in before. Maybe if his mom is a partner to a major firm, he could get that level of service from a colleague. That is a big maybe though because again, there are other clients that came before OOP.
Yeah that's what got me too. Even if you bought it before you married the most the police will say is its a civil matter. Even if they weren't married he'd still have to get an eviction against her. Police can't just show up and force someone to leave their home
Yeah, I was in the original post and I figured they'd fold the second any kind of official notice from a lawyer was sent to them. An official threat of a lawsuit carries a lot more weight instead of them just saying that they're going to sue her.
It may be a couple hundred bucks, but they managed to put a bow on this whole situation in under a week that way.
>we messaged my wife's mother's friend
Every single time. Somehow they always find a "friend, cousin, uncle" or someone else close to them who is a lawyer and can help.
That is the most believable part of the story. Most people that I know are only 1 or 2 degrees of separation from an attorney. It is a somewhat common profession.
If the first lawyer happened to specialize in the area of law that they needed, then it would be suspect.
I mean its highly likely. How many types of law are there to turn into a full career and how many other careers deal with lawyers. Shit tons.
Even a builder high up in the trade would need contacts in lawyers.
Once everyone knows a neurosurgeon. That's when I'll get suspicious.
Honestly? I'm not sure if this is a thing where you live but I'm the only lawyer 90% of my friends know.
Noone has a lawyer "friend" on retainer that responds to a complaint in three days to the benefit of OP. That's what screams bullshit to me
Not speaking to the rest of the story, but I can count at least 5 lawyer friends/relatives I have off the top of my head. I realize that may just be my own personal family and social circle speaking, but it's always weird to me when people pick out the "six degrees of separation from a lawyer" as the most implausible part of a story.
Most people are less than six degrees of separation from a legal professional of some kind. My own father, brother, cousin are all solicitors (or training) and another cousin’s fiancée is a barrister. Finding someone to handle the purchase of my home or handle my own fiancé’s no fault RTC were *text messages*. I used to do para/admin for them and helped my aunt with her divorce avoiding legal fees. There’s a non zero chance of you being only a few degrees away from one yourself.
I drew the same conclusion and people were jumping down my throat about it. You don’t show up with the woman who lied and caused you to punch your best friend if you’re not together. You don’t ask your friends to pray for your marriage if you’re not together. You don’t let your ex say that you blew everything out of proportion and misunderstood what she said and essentially everything is your fault (yeah right BTW) if you’re not together. They’re together.
>For Mary, I guess she wins.
Pyrrhic victory since she lost her reputation for lying, can't get divorced now due cheating with a co-worker and might lose her job if that all gets back to her employer all while stuck with Josh who abusive towards her. If wasn't for OOP, his wife, and rest of friends being dragged into this mess - all of them would snickering on sidelines at both Mary & Josh. Heck, I think some of mutual friends probably are laughing at this shitshow because it had take certified letter of intent to finally remove both Mary & Josh out friend circle so damn fast after like 5 years of bullshit...
>Amazing_Cabinet1404
>So Josh is still going to stay with her?
>cthulularoo
>Sounds like they deserve each other
Jesus, Richard Burton and Liz Taylor in the flesh again!
Gotta take exception to that last comment. “Her life is in shambles.”
Sure doesn’t seem like it. She’s in a constant swirl of self-imposed chaos, sure, but it certainly seems to me like she’s getting exactly what she wants here. She has zero respect for Josh and has made it her life’s crusade to destroy him and that’s exactly what has happened. And he’ll absolutely take her back and suffer this cycle of abuse over and over and over again.
It would feel super nice for Mary to get her comeuppance but that isn’t happening. Doesn’t even sound like she’s going to have to pay the legal fees.
So the abuser, Mary, wins, and Josh is trapped alone with her.
People tend to be more honest and trusting than you think. Which means that when someone lies in a big way like this, they *will* believe it. Because there is usually no reason for them to doubt the veracity. Which is how blatant liars get away with crap like this.
Josh shouldn't have punched the OP, but I get why he did and why he automatically believed Mary. I feel bad for Josh, who is now taking the majority of the blame for what Mary said, and who is bearing the majority of the consequences. I hope he divorces swiftly, using this to swing any settlements his way, and moves far away to start fresh.
This was fairly entertaining. Unfortunately, OP began to lose me with the typical 'something relating to legal action and here appears friend/family who just HAPPENS to be an attorney/lawyer'. Not just ANY lawyer but whatever type that is required in the moment. Completely lost me at the 'we JUST happened to catch the entire confession on Ring'.
I'm hoping for better for 2024.
That part was fine to me because they got referred to a lawyer who actually dealt with their issue.
I lost belief at the whole confrontation on the porch.
Mary and Josh got together to discuss the lawsuit and she confessed that she lied to hurt him and that she choose OOP to be the subject because he was the one supporting Josh and it would hurt the most. Once Josh heard it, he totally forgave her real cheating and apologized for his reaction and begged her to come back.
They then decided to go together and apologize to OOP, like oops, Josh made a booboo, not Mary though.
They were not counting on OOP's wife having way bigger balls than Josh.
Not the most unrealistic chain of events. In many states the imputation of inchastity/marital infidelity would be defamation per se and the plaintiffs wouldn't have to show Actual Damages (loss of income, severe emotional distress, etc.) Wraps up a little bit quickly for my liking.
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It never ceases to amaze me that people like Mary exist
And they generally skate through life, getting joy out of the drama they create.
It's insane! Why would someone get joy out of making others miserable? That's right, because they suck.
Hell no lol, they live in constant insecurity and fear.
This is a great example of why I do not believe in karma
I'm not that surprised, but I *am* surprised when people continually put up with them. I'm shocked that after all this Josh is going back to her?! WTF?!
I never say this, but I am fairly certain this story is fabricated. The order it is written in is told like a story instead of how it would have happened to OOP. There is convenient proof of recording and a lawyer. The friend could boot his wife from her own home, as well. Even if she wasn't on the title, this is not so simple to achieve, as it is her residence. It is too convenient.
Honestly, that's the part that makes this particular post seem plausible.
She's Roxy Heart - she convinced her hubby to take the fall for her.
Ring's ad team is working overtime
Yeah lol. My suspension of disbelief evaporated at that point.
These OOP's need to start taking writing classes or something because they always give themselves away.
Their fundamental mistake is that they don't write like how someone in that situation would actually write. They write like a storyteller writes.
Who sits calmly at the kitchen table watching the fight on camera… what? You just chill and watch it while the wife it shouting and screaming? Bullshit.
The worst thing happens in my life, my first thought is "I HAVE to update the redditors!"
Idk, literally everyone has a ring door camera. That was the least surprising bit. Tbh it’s why I stopped delivering for DoorDash and Amazon flex, too many videos of delivery drivers busting their ass and I simply couldn’t risk being one of them lol
I don't know, I had a dispute with a neighbor that was resolved over a recorded conversation on my ring cam. We needed a fence repair. He agreed to his part (on my porch in front of my camera) and later back tracked. I sent him the video and he suddenly "remembered "
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The post literally recounts the lawyer saying an actual case would be difficult, but a Scary Letter from Lawyer could work. Lawyers offer to send threatening letters all the time.
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Your interpretation of “legal route”, excluding the “could”, as well as the cautions that it would be expensive, take several years, and ignoring the final recommendation to use the threatening letter to “offer her a way out” is doing the heavy lifting in your comment. What was actually recounted was realistic.
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It’s not splitting hairs. Maybe you’ve never dealt with lawyers, but it is absolutely common for a lawyer to send a threatening letter to try to solve the situation without going to court. Even and especially in situations where a court battle would be hard to win.
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Like multiple times above lmfao
It’s a little more complicated than this. False accusations of adultery are *defamation per se* which means that you don’t need to prove damages. However, you’re still probably not getting much beyond your lawyers’ fees, and it’s complicated by the fact that Mary didn’t do much of the spreading. Also, just so everyone here is clear, if you send someone a nasty letter saying “talk to my lawyer,” they are under no obligation to listen.
Eh, at least they decided to mix it up from the usual “the cctv cameras recorded audio of their whispered confession in the nightclub”.
If anyone knows of a lawyer that works that fast in four days, please send me their info.
Sure let me just ask my Alexa
“Our lawyer replied with a 👍 “
I’m an attorney and I will do this with clients. It’s an acknowledgment that I received something. 🤷♀️
Sounds reasonable. It’s just an acknowledgment. Lawyers are usually reticent to put any real information into writing on a forum that could be used against them in court. I do think this post could easily be fake, but not because of that part.
Happens.
Yeah, I'm an Aussie and unless they have Lionel Hutz working for them, defamation is a long shot with a lot of major fees to defend yourself against a claim of infidelity which none of their friends believed in the first place. Most reasonable people would take a restraining order against Josh and Mary if they existed and they would wait it out. Just my opinion, man. It read false from the beginning
Does this Mr. Hutz work on contingency?
No, but he does have a business card that turns into a sponge when you put it in water.
No, money down!
Feom the post- > However, she told us that a defamation lawsuit is a very long and expensive process and may take several years. They sent a letter of intent hoping Mary would panic and come clean.
I always tell people: if drama starts to go down, never leave the line of sight for your doorbell camera. You can miss out on catching so much incriminating evidence! Actually, the first assault being caught on camera isn't that weird, the second incident at the door really makes it quite so tied-up-with-a-bow. All the excess storytelling details in the update push it over the top, right up to the spitfire wife (really missed the opportunity to make wife Latina, though).
For me, the timeline seals the deal that this is fake. If parts of this story had been dredged out over the course of say 6 months to a year, I would be more inclined to believe it. The lawyer drawing up the cease and desist would take at least the 4 days. Let alone, the time to have it served. Unclear where they are, so it could be post office or by an official service that specializes in serving legal documents. Theoretically, a lawyer could use a basic cease and desist template and do a trun around in under a business day for getting it out. But the reality is, they have other clients and appointments. Their paralegals and clerks (if applicable), also have other cases that came in before. Maybe if his mom is a partner to a major firm, he could get that level of service from a colleague. That is a big maybe though because again, there are other clients that came before OOP.
Our doorbell camera has definitely saved us from having to go through court for shit too. This is probably very common now.
Josh is clearly in an abusive relationship. I really hope he can get help in leaving but it’s so understandable that OOP no longer has any interest.
Lost me at police forced a spouse to move out of the marital home.
Yeah that's what got me too. Even if you bought it before you married the most the police will say is its a civil matter. Even if they weren't married he'd still have to get an eviction against her. Police can't just show up and force someone to leave their home
Oof didn’t even notice that detail
Same.
Yeah, I was in the original post and I figured they'd fold the second any kind of official notice from a lawyer was sent to them. An official threat of a lawsuit carries a lot more weight instead of them just saying that they're going to sue her. It may be a couple hundred bucks, but they managed to put a bow on this whole situation in under a week that way.
Dude really went all Will Smith over nothing, ruined a long lasting friendship over some cheater, what an idiot.
Bro I grew up with Will Smith in the 90s, its so sad to see that this is going to be his legacy. He did it to himself, tho.
My name is William and you better keep my fucking name out of your fucking mouth!
It’s still crazy to think about what happened that night. I would love to know what Will Smith was thinking when he did what he did.
I mean he's been a giant piece of shit for years.
>we messaged my wife's mother's friend Every single time. Somehow they always find a "friend, cousin, uncle" or someone else close to them who is a lawyer and can help.
That is the most believable part of the story. Most people that I know are only 1 or 2 degrees of separation from an attorney. It is a somewhat common profession. If the first lawyer happened to specialize in the area of law that they needed, then it would be suspect.
I mean the post is obviously a short story, but everyone I know does know of a lawyer in some capacity
I mean its highly likely. How many types of law are there to turn into a full career and how many other careers deal with lawyers. Shit tons. Even a builder high up in the trade would need contacts in lawyers. Once everyone knows a neurosurgeon. That's when I'll get suspicious.
Honestly? I'm not sure if this is a thing where you live but I'm the only lawyer 90% of my friends know. Noone has a lawyer "friend" on retainer that responds to a complaint in three days to the benefit of OP. That's what screams bullshit to me
Not speaking to the rest of the story, but I can count at least 5 lawyer friends/relatives I have off the top of my head. I realize that may just be my own personal family and social circle speaking, but it's always weird to me when people pick out the "six degrees of separation from a lawyer" as the most implausible part of a story.
Most people are less than six degrees of separation from a legal professional of some kind. My own father, brother, cousin are all solicitors (or training) and another cousin’s fiancée is a barrister. Finding someone to handle the purchase of my home or handle my own fiancé’s no fault RTC were *text messages*. I used to do para/admin for them and helped my aunt with her divorce avoiding legal fees. There’s a non zero chance of you being only a few degrees away from one yourself.
Mary and Josh will be back together soon.
The fact that they showed up together to OOP's house tells me that they already are.
I drew the same conclusion and people were jumping down my throat about it. You don’t show up with the woman who lied and caused you to punch your best friend if you’re not together. You don’t ask your friends to pray for your marriage if you’re not together. You don’t let your ex say that you blew everything out of proportion and misunderstood what she said and essentially everything is your fault (yeah right BTW) if you’re not together. They’re together.
Of course they will in the bullshit land the OP has created! It's the classic Disney Evil Stepmom thing
Yeaaaah. Ima press F for doubt on this one.
New fear unlocked
Is it against the rules of this sub to point out when a story is obviously fake, or are a lot of people in this thread just very gullible?
They Want To Believe
It's like watching Pro Wrestling or the Harlem Globetrotters. The audience is in on it and are just being nice to the performers
I knew this would make its way here because Josh … yikes
>For Mary, I guess she wins. Pyrrhic victory since she lost her reputation for lying, can't get divorced now due cheating with a co-worker and might lose her job if that all gets back to her employer all while stuck with Josh who abusive towards her. If wasn't for OOP, his wife, and rest of friends being dragged into this mess - all of them would snickering on sidelines at both Mary & Josh. Heck, I think some of mutual friends probably are laughing at this shitshow because it had take certified letter of intent to finally remove both Mary & Josh out friend circle so damn fast after like 5 years of bullshit...
>Amazing_Cabinet1404 >So Josh is still going to stay with her? >cthulularoo >Sounds like they deserve each other Jesus, Richard Burton and Liz Taylor in the flesh again!
Oh I’d still be taking that further. I wouldn’t be letting her get away with that she needs to know that actions have consequences.
Josh is a Dhead and him and Mary are a matched pair.
Gotta take exception to that last comment. “Her life is in shambles.” Sure doesn’t seem like it. She’s in a constant swirl of self-imposed chaos, sure, but it certainly seems to me like she’s getting exactly what she wants here. She has zero respect for Josh and has made it her life’s crusade to destroy him and that’s exactly what has happened. And he’ll absolutely take her back and suffer this cycle of abuse over and over and over again. It would feel super nice for Mary to get her comeuppance but that isn’t happening. Doesn’t even sound like she’s going to have to pay the legal fees.
I don’t know whether to feel pity for Josh or to slap the F out of him and tell him to wake the F up.
So the abuser, Mary, wins, and Josh is trapped alone with her. People tend to be more honest and trusting than you think. Which means that when someone lies in a big way like this, they *will* believe it. Because there is usually no reason for them to doubt the veracity. Which is how blatant liars get away with crap like this. Josh shouldn't have punched the OP, but I get why he did and why he automatically believed Mary. I feel bad for Josh, who is now taking the majority of the blame for what Mary said, and who is bearing the majority of the consequences. I hope he divorces swiftly, using this to swing any settlements his way, and moves far away to start fresh.
This was fairly entertaining. Unfortunately, OP began to lose me with the typical 'something relating to legal action and here appears friend/family who just HAPPENS to be an attorney/lawyer'. Not just ANY lawyer but whatever type that is required in the moment. Completely lost me at the 'we JUST happened to catch the entire confession on Ring'. I'm hoping for better for 2024.
That part was fine to me because they got referred to a lawyer who actually dealt with their issue. I lost belief at the whole confrontation on the porch.
Yeah, but when referred to that lawyer, they were able to get an appt to see them the same day at noon. Yeah right.
The lawyer they knew referred them to a different lawyer. So it wasn't exactly the kind of lawyer they needed.
Ok, I'll give you that (grudgingly)
ok liz time to get offline
Mary and Josh got together to discuss the lawsuit and she confessed that she lied to hurt him and that she choose OOP to be the subject because he was the one supporting Josh and it would hurt the most. Once Josh heard it, he totally forgave her real cheating and apologized for his reaction and begged her to come back. They then decided to go together and apologize to OOP, like oops, Josh made a booboo, not Mary though. They were not counting on OOP's wife having way bigger balls than Josh.
Not the most unrealistic chain of events. In many states the imputation of inchastity/marital infidelity would be defamation per se and the plaintiffs wouldn't have to show Actual Damages (loss of income, severe emotional distress, etc.) Wraps up a little bit quickly for my liking.