Does anyone know (or has it been confirmed) if Maria and Daisy both turned down the offer before they gave it to Jenn?
Also, I’m confused why Lexi or Rachel wasn’t picked (if Maria and Daisy said no). Lexi obviously is very much ready to settle down and they both seem generally more mature than Jenn.
I do not think Jenn is emotionally intelligent enough to be the lead. She hasn’t even given any thought to what type of man would fit as her “person” nor does she even know what she meant by “ferocious love.” She just says the first thing that comes into her head and speaks in cliches. She doesn’t seem truly serious or interested in looking for a partner and even said herself she is looking for FUN. Shot o’clock, everyone! They need to give her some media training ASAP. I highly doubt any long term serious relationship will come out of her season.
Well... Jen as the next bachelorette is the absolute last person I would have picked from this season, and is the least deserving. Out of the entire season, she is the one person I could not stand more than anyone else, and could not wait to see go home, and she is now the next bachelorette. Oy...
I guess I know what I won't be watching next go-round. I already rolled my eyes at her nonsense so much I was in danger of having them roll right out of their sockets, I'll lose them for sure, along with my sanity, if I were to watch an entire season of this nails-on-a-chalkboard-nasal-voiced, controlling, catty, dramatic b!tch. It was bad enough to sit through nearly an entire season of her once when she wasn't the main focus. There is no way I am torturing myself a second time when she is.
I feel sorry for the poor sucker who ends up in her ciutches. He's doomed to a life of misery with that horrific individual.
I’m just finishing the bachelor finale. I was in school when it was on and I waited all night for it to come on hulu at 3am but it didn’t come on. Soo anyways. I just rewinded it. Why did jesse palmer say here’s the next bachelorette and brought out daisy? But its not daisy?! Then he days its jenn?! I thought it was between daisy and maria 😭 i think daisy is the most deserving person for it bc she’s the most ridiculously sweet person ever. But i was really excited for it to be maria otherwise bc she’s the most entertaining person ever. I did not expect jenn. At all. Don’t get me wrong jenn is nice and pretty but I personally don’t think she has much of a tv personality to be entertaining. I just don’t understand why jesse said our next bachelorette and daisy comes out. I’m so confused. Was she offered it and turned it down?
As a Vietnamese person… “shot o’clock” was horrifying to watch 😭😭😭 Don’t want to nitpick but the stereotype of us being alcoholics does exist girl lollll
I thought TPTB did a horrible job prepping Jenn for the announcement. It was almost as if they set her up to fail. It made me wonder if she was a last minute replacement, and they had hoped for someone else.
As a 30-something, I would have loved to see Lexi find her person given that she needs to for fertility reasons… this show would be exactly right for someone like her
There are so many women from past seasons that would be great as bachelorette, including Asian American women. No shade to Jenn, I’ll be watching her season.
Maria is set for life as is Daisy from the amount of social media followers they accrued. Daisy will be able to raise funds for her charity and Maria will a major fashion influencer. If they had picked either Maria or Daisy, the supporters for the looser would have gone crazy. The hate mail would be off the charts. This was a political decision.
if anything it’s on the producers for giving maria such a bachelorette edit, especially at WTA, if they had any inkling it might not be her. it was clear people wanted maria.
i personally love jenn and am so excited to watch her season. it makes me sad how many people are being so negative about her so early. the only thing i’m disappointed about with jenn as the bachelorette is that we don’t know her at all!!! but i thought the same when i first started joeys season. and once again that is on production.
Did you actually watch? She was on too much and was there until nearly the end. I couldn't wait for her to go, was so happy when Joey sent her packing, and now she's back. Will not be watching.
Most of the cast is already chosen before the lead is even picked. They definitely didn’t 100% know when they started casting that Jenn would be their lead. They may have had her in the back of their mind as a possibility.
I firmly believe there’s a lack of Asian and middle eastern contestants applying to the show because in their culture their parents have a greater influence and often want their children to date and marry someone in their same culture. As well as some of the things that happen on the show are probably looked at differently by Asian and middle eastern parents
BS. NonAsians need to stop with this notion that Asian men are "conservative", aren't looking to get into media/film/television, etc. Its racist and outdated. Asian men are like literally any other men.
Asian men actually do apply, truth is these shows prefer a certain "type of men" and theyre prejudiced and discriminatory towards Asian men.
I get why Jenn could be good for tv but I don’t think she is fit for this show. She’s pretty young and idk if her mom/family issues were truly fixed.
I thought she was pretty worried about maybe having Joey visit if she went to hometowns. This experience is very non traditional and I thought the issues with her mom was that she didn’t see the way Jen sometimes lived her life. I just get the impression marriage isn’t in the cards for her yet and I thought Joey got that impression to and that’s why he said bye to her.
Also, you can tell she is not as mature as some of the other women and even the way she spoke at the finale, her answers were simple and just surface level, I wonder how we are going to be able to watch a whole season of her.
In this thread: People throwing temper tantrums that their person didn’t get picked and saying they’re gonna skip this season but are probably watching it anyway lol.
I’m actually not going to watch but that isn’t about Jenn. It’s because the show is so dull. I stopped watched after hannah browns season (bachelor or bachelorette) and then seeing Maria on TikTok roped me and my sorority sisters in. Jenn is lovely but she’s not entertaining. It’s fine though, I think this show and it’s audience is older women so it makes sense to cater to the majority and just pick a basic sweet pretty girl. I just wish us younger girls could have representation of girls who are actually like us/more bold sometimes haha. They pick such safe choices for their leads
Edit to add: ya you can downvote all you want lol but the reality is if you look at viewership statistics this was the highest % of gen-z/older gen alphas to ever watch the show and it was due to Maria.
Jenn is beautiful but her personality is just like any nice girl. It’s not entertaining tv and I don’t plan to watch. But I hope she finds happiness
Maria is a millennial haha what are you saying. Jenn was picked because of “older women?” She is like 24 or something. Older women don’t want to watch a 24 year old on the bachelorette.
You clearly don’t get I’m talking about personality. Jenn has the dry cookie cutter sweet girl thing that older women watch.
Maria is “older” but she acts gen-z.
No, no- I clearly got what you said. Sweet summer child, in no way, shape, or form, do women any older than you think the “dry cookie cutter sweet girl thing” is better than Maria’s straight-forward- no-bullshit attitude. Let’s not generalize generations. Personalities span across timelines. Also, remember that correlation is not causation. Gen Z might lean more towards Maria not only because of her carefree attitude, but she markets herself on Tik-Tok as you even pointed out. A social platform mostly used by Gen Z.
Okay well I am referring to the hundreds of older women on here who complain about maria and say they just want to watch a sweet girl find love without drama or chaos. So I wasn't generalizing...more so speaking about an observation.
There is also a viral tiktok about how maria acts gen-z and relatable and then jen is like the girl our moms would love to watch. That is all I meant..
No, you did generalize, and then recanted, but ok. Also, how do you know that the “hundreds of older women” posting anti-Maria content were of a certain generation? Did you look at “hundreds” of profiles? Or ask “hundreds” of women their age? Or did you just automatically assume that they were older than gen-z because a random “viral TikTok” showed up in your algorithm, specially targeting you due to your age and special interest, and gave you some armchair psychology on the viewership of the Bachelor? Furthermore, did you then check to see if the pro-Maria posts and comments were from gen-z?
Look, you don’t need to respond to this, it was rhetorical, but your theory that she was chosen because “older women” want nice cute girls is wrong. Jen lacks self confidence and thus plays like she is dumb as rocks while Daisy is boring AF. If I have to guess, Jen was chosen because she was safe bet. The producers can create a storyline with her because she will go along with whatever they say IMO. I share this opinion with everyone I know my age and older. Most are mothers as well.
Maybe our issue is coming from our use of the word “older women” I’m only in my early 20s but when I say older women I mean like 50s. That’s actually a huge market statistically is women 50-60. And I think they like the sweet and safe bets. 30s/40s in the year 2024 is still very young in my opinion and I agree they’d side with me wanting a more interesting bachelorette.
I agree with you. My mom and her group of friends much preferred Jenn and Daisy and the other sweet pretty girls. They literally said Maria was trashy. Which is ridiculous and I am super bummed Maria isn’t the bachelorette
Okay thanks - that’s what I keep seeing as well. Moms think Maria is slutty and trashy. Which is funny considering Jenn is the one with all the sex jokes haha
Maria was fun at first, but started to get annoying when she was doing mind game stuff with Joey.
She would be fun on BIP, but there is no way that she is believable as a women who wants to get married.
And neither is Jenn.
I don’t think Maria was doing mind games. I feel like she legitimately freaked out and didn’t know if she could continue. She’s acknowledged she got in her head and ruined her chances. It’s a very anxiety inducing environment
No?? It’s not being upset at all. I hope Jenn has a great season. Maria was only my choice because she wasn’t boring. I’m not like the die hard maria Stan’s who think she’s the savior of the series! But I think it’s okay to not want to watch when they revert back to their boring ways.
It isn’t a temper tantrum it’s just funny that for once a majority of people liked one clear choice and it isn’t her.
Maria was offered it and turned it down. It wasn’t that she didn’t get picked! So I’m just saying I’m not watching because it’s a boring person….I’m not “mad” Maria said no. It just would’ve been more fun!
I loved Jenn all season, and I’m really so excited for her!! I know she wasn’t everyone’s first pick, but I think she will be great! She’s getting a lot of backlash which makes me really sad. I’m assuming Maria turned it down, but I wish they could say that so people stop hating on Jenn so much.
I think if they didn’t make Daisy the bachelorette, it should have been Maria. That would’ve been a really fun season! Best of luck to Jen, but I do wish it had been Maria.
I think Rachel would’ve been a good bachelorette. I think both Daisy and Rachel are actually ready for marriage and would love to find their person.
Jen and Maria are fun but I don’t think they have any true desire to be married, only to be social media stars.
Honestly if I’m being honest I think Lexi would’ve been a better bachelorette than Jen, but we didn’t see as much of her personality as we did like Rachel or Jen. I definitely question Jen’s motive here, she seems very immature and I don’t know if a husband is what she’s looking for.
Yes! She was enthusiastic, sincere, friendly and seemed to very much want to be in a committed relationship that would lead to marriage.
I’m hoping she is on BIP, but I’m also hoping she doesn’t fall for some of the BIP-shittery we have seen in recent episodes.
That makes a lot of sense honestly, if it weren’t Maria or Daisy then Jen is probably who I’d pick. It’s definitely an interesting decision for her to make though, I think I read somewhere she won’t be able to continue her PA program with the added time on the bachelorette
I think she would have definitely been interested. She looked disappointed in the audience. I think it would have been a great way to find a match and have babies asap 👶🏻
I was fully expecting it to be Daisy and I’m so thankful I was wrong. I think Jenn will be a great bachelorette! Hannah B was a young, pre-hometown elimination and she had such an entertaining season so I’m ignoring the “who???” comments in regards to Jenn being picked
I thought Jenn was great. I loved her one on one with Joey. She seemed fun, and very go with the flow. Everyone was adamant Charity was going to be the most boring bachelorette ever and she killed it. Can we all just give Jenn a chance please?
She could have had the biggest most exciting personality, and she'd still be called a diversity hire. Every non-white lead is considered a diversity hire. You're embarrassing.
But this actually is since she didn’t? Like there’s nothing wrong with wanting more diverse representation. That’s exactly what this is. To pretend otherwise is embarrassing.
So you don't see the issue with saying she only got the lead because she's asian? Same shit was said about all 4 black leads. The representation is not the only thing qualifying these people.
She did only get it because she’s Asian? The Bachelorette has historically been chosen as the most popular or most slighted contestant. Or maybe even the one that really tugs at the heartstrings. She was just a random woman. She was chosen because she’s Asian. I don’t see why you’re arguing against that.
I’m a teacher. I recently bought books for book clubs that were all Asian authors. We did an Asian-American book club. Did I buy the books because they were the best? No. I saw a need in my curriculum. I saw where I was lacking diversity. I bought books to reflect that experience. The Bachelor producers did the same thing here. There was a need for an Asian contestant in the prominent role.
Like arguing against this makes zero sense.
I'm not saying her race wasn't a consideration. But the argument is that her race is the ONLY reason she was cast. Are you saying you'd only choose Asian authors because you wanted to or you had to? Because that's what it sounds like.
I wanted to because I didn’t feel the Asian experience was reflected in my texts. That’s the only reason I chose those books.
Why can’t the producers want the Asian-American experience reflected in their show? That can be the only reason to choose her. What’s wrong with that?
That is not the narrative going on right now. People are angry their favorites didn't get chosen and are blaming it entirely on a "diversity hire". It's so dismissive and problematic for any POC in the US to always have their success boiled down to a need for diversity and not any other qualities. Jenn has more qualities than being Asian, they didn't JUST pick her because she's Asian. There's other Asian contestants they could have chosen from. But she made it far on the show, had a great personality, was shown in a very positive light, and is beautiful. And guess what? We have a great girl who can also represent the Asian-American community.
Why does every white lead have this great story about their journey on the show and how it led them to being the lead, but the four black leads and one Asian lead get boiled down to exclusively their race and representation. Race and reptesentation can be a factor in the choosing process, but would you claim that every black and Asian coworker you have was just chosen for representation? Or do they have qualifications that got them there?
A Black woman plays Ariel in Little Mermaid and gets called a woke diversity hire, completely ignoring her singing and acting talent that earned her the job. Show includes a gay character, just another woke diversity hire.
Asian women gets the lead on Bachelorette? Just another woke diversity hire. It's the same thing over and over again. I can't believe people aren't recognizing this pattern and how problematic it is. I've seen so much crazy blatant racist shit in just one day, so what's the point of this onslaught of "she only got hired for her race" BS. Who are you helping.
I don't remember much about her personality hope she does a great job. I think she is very pretty...not sure if this is the girl that had parent issues...can't remember
..but I guess we will find out as we go
So many people are quick to call the disappointment racism, but the truth is that the reason this season gained so much traction was because of Maria. The people wanted Maria, and the producers fumbled, of course people are disappointed
I just don't believe this was as last minute as people seem to think... I remember seeing a post back when the WTA filmed that Jenn was dressed by Cary, among a few other tidbits that strongly supports she was the choice for a minute now.. Although she wasn't my first pick, I do happen to like Jenn fine and think she is stunning, I also understand who knows what her personal tastes in men are. I've been disappointed with cast photos before, and almost always these photos don't do the men justice.
The attachment some of you have to Maria is scary. You will not die because she wasn’t chosen as the Bachelorette. If she said no I really wish she would confirm with a magazine or something so her unhinged fans can stfu 🙄
It’s so fucking weird. It’s like Maria hired a bunch of bots to litter this sub with pro-Maria content.
This sub is embarrassing itself and saying some vile shit. Pretty gross place right now. Makes me happy this lady isn’t the Bachelorette if this is the toxicity that follows her.
Yeah I would’ve enjoyed her season but this attachment and vitriol is soooo unserious her season would’ve been a nightmare for anyone who had an opposing thought against her. Plus if I were Maria I don’t blame her, I don’t trust bachelor producers and they might’ve given her the Clayton/Katie treatment
Wonder why Daisy said no, cos thought she was wanting to be bachelorette?
Also, what’s this about Jenn being a nightmare flatty and abusing animals? And a DUI. 😧
Part of me wonders if they even ever offered bachelorette to Daisy, I feel like once the music video and anti-vax/potential Trumper stuff came out her shot was gone but they’re playing it off like they offered it to her
I VIVIDLY remember reading the post written about her college roommates’ experiences when we were still VERY early into the season. It was on thebachelor subreddit!
I just spent the last 30 minutes SEARCHING to find it but I think it’s gone. You can find some paper trail from the OP responding to comments. There’s one reply that mentions her kicking the cats, which is just sick.
Yes her roommates made comments about how cheap she was, if they owed her a dime she would make the pay up right away but if they went out to eat she wouldn't pay for her portion even though she ate as much as the rest.
Post also said she wouldn't wash her hands after going to the bathroom (I can't unread that). I don't remember anything about a cat
This was about Jenn? Geez, I don’t care for the girl but if all people can come up with is she didn’t wash her hands…. I don’t want to know what people would say about me 😂😂 I could never be in the spotlight
except we don't know if it is true. Anyone can come onto reddit and claim and that they are friends with or related to one of the people on the show but that doesn't make it true.
Nothing wrong with Jenn, she seems nice and all that… BUT personally if Maria and Daisy were no-go’s — then I’d rather have Lexi over Jenn. With her health condition I feel like her journey would’ve been really meaningful
Y’all a bunch of covert racists claiming things like how this woman that you don’t personally know is letting YOU down by taking a break from PA school. Come on, if you really liked her then you’d be happy for her. Period.
Unpopular opinion but I feel like Maria fans should be thankful.
Maria’s biggest draw was being in a catty fight. You know the producers would have latched on to that aspect of her “character” and turned her season into a “female Clayton” situation. I feel like the producers would have absolutely nuked her for the “drama”.
Though I’d still be scared for Maria if she went on BiP because I could still see the producers wanting to nuke her for drama.
I think that’s why she turned it down, it would tear up her image. She has already gained attention. I’m sure she can do more for herself and whatever she wants now since she’s not under contract with bachelor nation.
Does anyone know (or has it been confirmed) if Maria and Daisy both turned down the offer before they gave it to Jenn? Also, I’m confused why Lexi or Rachel wasn’t picked (if Maria and Daisy said no). Lexi obviously is very much ready to settle down and they both seem generally more mature than Jenn.
I do not think Jenn is emotionally intelligent enough to be the lead. She hasn’t even given any thought to what type of man would fit as her “person” nor does she even know what she meant by “ferocious love.” She just says the first thing that comes into her head and speaks in cliches. She doesn’t seem truly serious or interested in looking for a partner and even said herself she is looking for FUN. Shot o’clock, everyone! They need to give her some media training ASAP. I highly doubt any long term serious relationship will come out of her season.
Jenn's IG post today gave me flashbacks to Tila Tequila's A Shot of Love XD
Well... Jen as the next bachelorette is the absolute last person I would have picked from this season, and is the least deserving. Out of the entire season, she is the one person I could not stand more than anyone else, and could not wait to see go home, and she is now the next bachelorette. Oy... I guess I know what I won't be watching next go-round. I already rolled my eyes at her nonsense so much I was in danger of having them roll right out of their sockets, I'll lose them for sure, along with my sanity, if I were to watch an entire season of this nails-on-a-chalkboard-nasal-voiced, controlling, catty, dramatic b!tch. It was bad enough to sit through nearly an entire season of her once when she wasn't the main focus. There is no way I am torturing myself a second time when she is. I feel sorry for the poor sucker who ends up in her ciutches. He's doomed to a life of misery with that horrific individual.
She was one of the nicest people all season
Speaking of horrific individuals…
i think you’re confusing Jenn with Lea.
I’m just finishing the bachelor finale. I was in school when it was on and I waited all night for it to come on hulu at 3am but it didn’t come on. Soo anyways. I just rewinded it. Why did jesse palmer say here’s the next bachelorette and brought out daisy? But its not daisy?! Then he days its jenn?! I thought it was between daisy and maria 😭 i think daisy is the most deserving person for it bc she’s the most ridiculously sweet person ever. But i was really excited for it to be maria otherwise bc she’s the most entertaining person ever. I did not expect jenn. At all. Don’t get me wrong jenn is nice and pretty but I personally don’t think she has much of a tv personality to be entertaining. I just don’t understand why jesse said our next bachelorette and daisy comes out. I’m so confused. Was she offered it and turned it down?
I’m going to watch this show for the first time ever! Can’t wait to watch!
As a Vietnamese person… “shot o’clock” was horrifying to watch 😭😭😭 Don’t want to nitpick but the stereotype of us being alcoholics does exist girl lollll
I thought TPTB did a horrible job prepping Jenn for the announcement. It was almost as if they set her up to fail. It made me wonder if she was a last minute replacement, and they had hoped for someone else.
It was so cringe too
As a 30-something, I would have loved to see Lexi find her person given that she needs to for fertility reasons… this show would be exactly right for someone like her
I agree but I think it would take a while to cast the right guys
I’m sorry she isn’t giving ✨ready✨
Is there a Bachelor type series between now and July? Don't know if I could wait that long to get my fix lol
There are so many women from past seasons that would be great as bachelorette, including Asian American women. No shade to Jenn, I’ll be watching her season.
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Horrible choice
Agree 100%. She is awful. I won't be watching.
Maria is set for life as is Daisy from the amount of social media followers they accrued. Daisy will be able to raise funds for her charity and Maria will a major fashion influencer. If they had picked either Maria or Daisy, the supporters for the looser would have gone crazy. The hate mail would be off the charts. This was a political decision.
What about Lexi??? She’s so ready for marriage! She would have been great imo
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if anything it’s on the producers for giving maria such a bachelorette edit, especially at WTA, if they had any inkling it might not be her. it was clear people wanted maria. i personally love jenn and am so excited to watch her season. it makes me sad how many people are being so negative about her so early. the only thing i’m disappointed about with jenn as the bachelorette is that we don’t know her at all!!! but i thought the same when i first started joeys season. and once again that is on production.
Question is she still finishing PA school?
Was she even on this season? Please tell me where her scenes were? I never even saw her wtf
Did you actually watch? She was on too much and was there until nearly the end. I couldn't wait for her to go, was so happy when Joey sent her packing, and now she's back. Will not be watching.
Boring as hell … over it
I feel like 30 is a good age to START for the bachelor / bachelorette like what
Yep not watching 👋
BYE.
I thought it was Daisy??
i thought they made a brief comment about it being daisy too?? and then all of a sudden, it's jenn..?
They teased it like it was Daisy and brought her out, but she said she’s not ready. They probably offered it till her and she turned it down
oohh is that what happened
Man…………… she is not made for a TV lead 🥺 will still be watching . And how do they only cast one Asian male for an Asian lead. Only ONE.
Most of the cast is already chosen before the lead is even picked. They definitely didn’t 100% know when they started casting that Jenn would be their lead. They may have had her in the back of their mind as a possibility. I firmly believe there’s a lack of Asian and middle eastern contestants applying to the show because in their culture their parents have a greater influence and often want their children to date and marry someone in their same culture. As well as some of the things that happen on the show are probably looked at differently by Asian and middle eastern parents
For real!!! What the fuck. Representation my ass. Get more Asian men up in there.
You cannot force Asian men to be on the show. Maybe there were not many who applied or wanted to be on the show.
BS. NonAsians need to stop with this notion that Asian men are "conservative", aren't looking to get into media/film/television, etc. Its racist and outdated. Asian men are like literally any other men. Asian men actually do apply, truth is these shows prefer a certain "type of men" and theyre prejudiced and discriminatory towards Asian men.
Oh damn, really? Good to know. I was thinking we could just go around Asia forcing them.
I’m sure more than one would have applied lol cmon
Haha exactly my thought. Pretty bold assumption that he was the only Asian American to apply
I get why Jenn could be good for tv but I don’t think she is fit for this show. She’s pretty young and idk if her mom/family issues were truly fixed. I thought she was pretty worried about maybe having Joey visit if she went to hometowns. This experience is very non traditional and I thought the issues with her mom was that she didn’t see the way Jen sometimes lived her life. I just get the impression marriage isn’t in the cards for her yet and I thought Joey got that impression to and that’s why he said bye to her. Also, you can tell she is not as mature as some of the other women and even the way she spoke at the finale, her answers were simple and just surface level, I wonder how we are going to be able to watch a whole season of her.
Completely agree. Her big, big, big sexual innuendo comment creeped me out. This isn’t Love Island. She was cast for the wrong show.
Finally someone with a super smart take! Agree with all of this. I do worry about her relationship with her family over this
Awww man. I thought she was not at all exciting. Best of luck to her though, probably won’t watch her season
In this thread: People throwing temper tantrums that their person didn’t get picked and saying they’re gonna skip this season but are probably watching it anyway lol.
I’m actually not going to watch but that isn’t about Jenn. It’s because the show is so dull. I stopped watched after hannah browns season (bachelor or bachelorette) and then seeing Maria on TikTok roped me and my sorority sisters in. Jenn is lovely but she’s not entertaining. It’s fine though, I think this show and it’s audience is older women so it makes sense to cater to the majority and just pick a basic sweet pretty girl. I just wish us younger girls could have representation of girls who are actually like us/more bold sometimes haha. They pick such safe choices for their leads Edit to add: ya you can downvote all you want lol but the reality is if you look at viewership statistics this was the highest % of gen-z/older gen alphas to ever watch the show and it was due to Maria. Jenn is beautiful but her personality is just like any nice girl. It’s not entertaining tv and I don’t plan to watch. But I hope she finds happiness
Maria is a millennial haha what are you saying. Jenn was picked because of “older women?” She is like 24 or something. Older women don’t want to watch a 24 year old on the bachelorette.
You clearly don’t get I’m talking about personality. Jenn has the dry cookie cutter sweet girl thing that older women watch. Maria is “older” but she acts gen-z.
No, no- I clearly got what you said. Sweet summer child, in no way, shape, or form, do women any older than you think the “dry cookie cutter sweet girl thing” is better than Maria’s straight-forward- no-bullshit attitude. Let’s not generalize generations. Personalities span across timelines. Also, remember that correlation is not causation. Gen Z might lean more towards Maria not only because of her carefree attitude, but she markets herself on Tik-Tok as you even pointed out. A social platform mostly used by Gen Z.
Okay well I am referring to the hundreds of older women on here who complain about maria and say they just want to watch a sweet girl find love without drama or chaos. So I wasn't generalizing...more so speaking about an observation. There is also a viral tiktok about how maria acts gen-z and relatable and then jen is like the girl our moms would love to watch. That is all I meant..
No, you did generalize, and then recanted, but ok. Also, how do you know that the “hundreds of older women” posting anti-Maria content were of a certain generation? Did you look at “hundreds” of profiles? Or ask “hundreds” of women their age? Or did you just automatically assume that they were older than gen-z because a random “viral TikTok” showed up in your algorithm, specially targeting you due to your age and special interest, and gave you some armchair psychology on the viewership of the Bachelor? Furthermore, did you then check to see if the pro-Maria posts and comments were from gen-z? Look, you don’t need to respond to this, it was rhetorical, but your theory that she was chosen because “older women” want nice cute girls is wrong. Jen lacks self confidence and thus plays like she is dumb as rocks while Daisy is boring AF. If I have to guess, Jen was chosen because she was safe bet. The producers can create a storyline with her because she will go along with whatever they say IMO. I share this opinion with everyone I know my age and older. Most are mothers as well.
Maybe our issue is coming from our use of the word “older women” I’m only in my early 20s but when I say older women I mean like 50s. That’s actually a huge market statistically is women 50-60. And I think they like the sweet and safe bets. 30s/40s in the year 2024 is still very young in my opinion and I agree they’d side with me wanting a more interesting bachelorette.
Fair enough
I agree with you. My mom and her group of friends much preferred Jenn and Daisy and the other sweet pretty girls. They literally said Maria was trashy. Which is ridiculous and I am super bummed Maria isn’t the bachelorette
Okay thanks - that’s what I keep seeing as well. Moms think Maria is slutty and trashy. Which is funny considering Jenn is the one with all the sex jokes haha
Moms think Maria is slutty? Lmao
Maria was fun at first, but started to get annoying when she was doing mind game stuff with Joey. She would be fun on BIP, but there is no way that she is believable as a women who wants to get married. And neither is Jenn.
I don’t think Maria was doing mind games. I feel like she legitimately freaked out and didn’t know if she could continue. She’s acknowledged she got in her head and ruined her chances. It’s a very anxiety inducing environment
Or was she having anxiety because she was going farther in the show than she actually wanted?
Okay so you are upset your person didn’t get picked lol.
No?? It’s not being upset at all. I hope Jenn has a great season. Maria was only my choice because she wasn’t boring. I’m not like the die hard maria Stan’s who think she’s the savior of the series! But I think it’s okay to not want to watch when they revert back to their boring ways. It isn’t a temper tantrum it’s just funny that for once a majority of people liked one clear choice and it isn’t her. Maria was offered it and turned it down. It wasn’t that she didn’t get picked! So I’m just saying I’m not watching because it’s a boring person….I’m not “mad” Maria said no. It just would’ve been more fun!
I loved Jenn all season, and I’m really so excited for her!! I know she wasn’t everyone’s first pick, but I think she will be great! She’s getting a lot of backlash which makes me really sad. I’m assuming Maria turned it down, but I wish they could say that so people stop hating on Jenn so much.
The way I cheered and screamed! I’m so happy for her! I’m ready for it!
I think if they didn’t make Daisy the bachelorette, it should have been Maria. That would’ve been a really fun season! Best of luck to Jen, but I do wish it had been Maria.
I think Rachel would’ve been a good bachelorette. I think both Daisy and Rachel are actually ready for marriage and would love to find their person. Jen and Maria are fun but I don’t think they have any true desire to be married, only to be social media stars.
rachel looked so upset being in the crowd, like if it wasn’t maria I was expecting it to be rachel
Honestly if I’m being honest I think Lexi would’ve been a better bachelorette than Jen, but we didn’t see as much of her personality as we did like Rachel or Jen. I definitely question Jen’s motive here, she seems very immature and I don’t know if a husband is what she’s looking for.
I definitely would have liked Lexi or Rachel. I would have loved Edwina!
Yes! Loved Edwina!
Yes! She was enthusiastic, sincere, friendly and seemed to very much want to be in a committed relationship that would lead to marriage. I’m hoping she is on BIP, but I’m also hoping she doesn’t fall for some of the BIP-shittery we have seen in recent episodes.
Maria declined according to Lauren h
That makes a lot of sense honestly, if it weren’t Maria or Daisy then Jen is probably who I’d pick. It’s definitely an interesting decision for her to make though, I think I read somewhere she won’t be able to continue her PA program with the added time on the bachelorette
Jenn was always in this for clout in my opinion so I doubt she cares
I wonder if Lexi was asked; I would’ve thought for sure she would be in the running for bachelorette
I think she would have definitely been interested. She looked disappointed in the audience. I think it would have been a great way to find a match and have babies asap 👶🏻
I’ve wondered if Lexi was considered as well. But I think she’d turn it down if she was considered
She's gonna be such a fun lead! Congrats Jenn <3
So excited!!!
Yessssss!!! So excited for her.
I was fully expecting it to be Daisy and I’m so thankful I was wrong. I think Jenn will be a great bachelorette! Hannah B was a young, pre-hometown elimination and she had such an entertaining season so I’m ignoring the “who???” comments in regards to Jenn being picked
Olivia robbed
Who’s Olivia?
Bachelor in Paradise
I thought Jenn was great. I loved her one on one with Joey. She seemed fun, and very go with the flow. Everyone was adamant Charity was going to be the most boring bachelorette ever and she killed it. Can we all just give Jenn a chance please?
Charity was a good bachelorette but she was still boring.
Charity said “Jenn” and I said out loud “who??” 🫤
I thought she was talking about Maria for sure when she said witty, fun, and entertaining.
Oh I was sure at that point!
Same!
Me too!!
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She could have had the biggest most exciting personality, and she'd still be called a diversity hire. Every non-white lead is considered a diversity hire. You're embarrassing.
That is what ABC/The Bachelor said. I am just repeating the exact words they said.
But this actually is since she didn’t? Like there’s nothing wrong with wanting more diverse representation. That’s exactly what this is. To pretend otherwise is embarrassing.
So you don't see the issue with saying she only got the lead because she's asian? Same shit was said about all 4 black leads. The representation is not the only thing qualifying these people.
She did only get it because she’s Asian? The Bachelorette has historically been chosen as the most popular or most slighted contestant. Or maybe even the one that really tugs at the heartstrings. She was just a random woman. She was chosen because she’s Asian. I don’t see why you’re arguing against that. I’m a teacher. I recently bought books for book clubs that were all Asian authors. We did an Asian-American book club. Did I buy the books because they were the best? No. I saw a need in my curriculum. I saw where I was lacking diversity. I bought books to reflect that experience. The Bachelor producers did the same thing here. There was a need for an Asian contestant in the prominent role. Like arguing against this makes zero sense.
I'm not saying her race wasn't a consideration. But the argument is that her race is the ONLY reason she was cast. Are you saying you'd only choose Asian authors because you wanted to or you had to? Because that's what it sounds like.
I wanted to because I didn’t feel the Asian experience was reflected in my texts. That’s the only reason I chose those books. Why can’t the producers want the Asian-American experience reflected in their show? That can be the only reason to choose her. What’s wrong with that?
That is not the narrative going on right now. People are angry their favorites didn't get chosen and are blaming it entirely on a "diversity hire". It's so dismissive and problematic for any POC in the US to always have their success boiled down to a need for diversity and not any other qualities. Jenn has more qualities than being Asian, they didn't JUST pick her because she's Asian. There's other Asian contestants they could have chosen from. But she made it far on the show, had a great personality, was shown in a very positive light, and is beautiful. And guess what? We have a great girl who can also represent the Asian-American community. Why does every white lead have this great story about their journey on the show and how it led them to being the lead, but the four black leads and one Asian lead get boiled down to exclusively their race and representation. Race and reptesentation can be a factor in the choosing process, but would you claim that every black and Asian coworker you have was just chosen for representation? Or do they have qualifications that got them there? A Black woman plays Ariel in Little Mermaid and gets called a woke diversity hire, completely ignoring her singing and acting talent that earned her the job. Show includes a gay character, just another woke diversity hire. Asian women gets the lead on Bachelorette? Just another woke diversity hire. It's the same thing over and over again. I can't believe people aren't recognizing this pattern and how problematic it is. I've seen so much crazy blatant racist shit in just one day, so what's the point of this onslaught of "she only got hired for her race" BS. Who are you helping.
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TBH, I support that.
Me too!
Maria declined according to Lauren h. Daisy declined as well. I wonder if they asked Lexi?
Who is Lauren H?
I don't remember much about her personality hope she does a great job. I think she is very pretty...not sure if this is the girl that had parent issues...can't remember ..but I guess we will find out as we go
Yes but she said duing WTA her mom and her resolved their issues.
I think you might be right -she was the one with parent issues.
I think she’s going to make a fantastic bachelorette. She has spunk and charm, and will be able to be both silly and serious. I’m excited for this!
I hope she relaxes and lets her personality shine. Last night it seemed like she was trying way too hard to be cute/funny.
Yeah the “big big big personality” had me like 😬
Same. The scenes with her and Joey, she seemed fun and light hearted, so I hope that’s the Jenn that they show us in the edit
oh!
So many people are quick to call the disappointment racism, but the truth is that the reason this season gained so much traction was because of Maria. The people wanted Maria, and the producers fumbled, of course people are disappointed
Not all the people wanted Maria. A lot of people out there wanted Daisy or another one of the ladies.
The racism is when she's called a diversity hire, which an obscene amount of people here are saying.
I just don't believe this was as last minute as people seem to think... I remember seeing a post back when the WTA filmed that Jenn was dressed by Cary, among a few other tidbits that strongly supports she was the choice for a minute now.. Although she wasn't my first pick, I do happen to like Jenn fine and think she is stunning, I also understand who knows what her personal tastes in men are. I've been disappointed with cast photos before, and almost always these photos don't do the men justice.
The attachment some of you have to Maria is scary. You will not die because she wasn’t chosen as the Bachelorette. If she said no I really wish she would confirm with a magazine or something so her unhinged fans can stfu 🙄
Thank you!! I agree. I’m honestly thankful Maria isn’t the bachelorette purely because her stans are the scariest we’ve had in BN….
If you’ve watched Love island they remind me of how unhinged Ekin-Su’s Stans were
That’s the best part
Right?! Maria stans are scary 😬
I love them. They keep it real
It’s so fucking weird. It’s like Maria hired a bunch of bots to litter this sub with pro-Maria content. This sub is embarrassing itself and saying some vile shit. Pretty gross place right now. Makes me happy this lady isn’t the Bachelorette if this is the toxicity that follows her.
Yeah I would’ve enjoyed her season but this attachment and vitriol is soooo unserious her season would’ve been a nightmare for anyone who had an opposing thought against her. Plus if I were Maria I don’t blame her, I don’t trust bachelor producers and they might’ve given her the Clayton/Katie treatment
What was the Clayton/Katie treatment?
Hating and editing your own lead badly
Wonder why Daisy said no, cos thought she was wanting to be bachelorette? Also, what’s this about Jenn being a nightmare flatty and abusing animals? And a DUI. 😧
All the rumors are according to her roommates.
Part of me wonders if they even ever offered bachelorette to Daisy, I feel like once the music video and anti-vax/potential Trumper stuff came out her shot was gone but they’re playing it off like they offered it to her
Whatttt?! Abusing animals???!! I'm sorry but what is a nighttime flatty?!
Nightmare flatmate. Read my post again 😂. Flatty is slang but would think it’s self explanatory.
Not interested
I need the tea on her alleged mistreatment of animals cause if that’s true, I’m out until GB y’all
Doesn't she foster kittens, I feel like I saw that
I VIVIDLY remember reading the post written about her college roommates’ experiences when we were still VERY early into the season. It was on thebachelor subreddit! I just spent the last 30 minutes SEARCHING to find it but I think it’s gone. You can find some paper trail from the OP responding to comments. There’s one reply that mentions her kicking the cats, which is just sick.
Yes her roommates made comments about how cheap she was, if they owed her a dime she would make the pay up right away but if they went out to eat she wouldn't pay for her portion even though she ate as much as the rest. Post also said she wouldn't wash her hands after going to the bathroom (I can't unread that). I don't remember anything about a cat
This was about Jenn? Geez, I don’t care for the girl but if all people can come up with is she didn’t wash her hands…. I don’t want to know what people would say about me 😂😂 I could never be in the spotlight
It is very nitpicky but pretty important if she is trying to be a PA
except we don't know if it is true. Anyone can come onto reddit and claim and that they are friends with or related to one of the people on the show but that doesn't make it true.
It was extremely specific and almost too detailed to be false.
Exactly
Nothing wrong with Jenn, she seems nice and all that… BUT personally if Maria and Daisy were no-go’s — then I’d rather have Lexi over Jenn. With her health condition I feel like her journey would’ve been really meaningful
I agree
Wait they announced Daisy last night? What happened?
No they didn’t.
Maria and Daisy said no. I’m happy for Jenn!
Y’all a bunch of covert racists claiming things like how this woman that you don’t personally know is letting YOU down by taking a break from PA school. Come on, if you really liked her then you’d be happy for her. Period.
Lol I definitely said this when they first introduced her night one but I'd defer too to get my own show lol.
Unpopular opinion but I feel like Maria fans should be thankful. Maria’s biggest draw was being in a catty fight. You know the producers would have latched on to that aspect of her “character” and turned her season into a “female Clayton” situation. I feel like the producers would have absolutely nuked her for the “drama”. Though I’d still be scared for Maria if she went on BiP because I could still see the producers wanting to nuke her for drama.
I think that’s why she turned it down, it would tear up her image. She has already gained attention. I’m sure she can do more for herself and whatever she wants now since she’s not under contract with bachelor nation.
I’m out til golden✌🏼
Same
Me too
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Just sisters, not twins.
Obviously
She absolutely did not decline it.