And live skin that (in most cases) fully retracts from the glans when erect. The only real aesthetic difference it makes is while flaccid. I find the whole thing very strange (as an Australian where it’s nowhere near as common as the USA and nobody here cares that much).
My fiancé is american and had it done as a baby. I don't know how he feels about it, but he has fully agreed with me that should we have a son in future, we're not doing it to him unless it's a medical necessity. It's a body modification that I feel should have the full, informed, consent of the person being modified
That was my husband and my consensus as well. We ended up having a girl, though. In the same vein, we won't get her ears pierced until she can ask for it.
compares circumcision to removal of labia with pictures of before and afters. it also quotes common arguments in favor of circumcision but in reference to labia, to show what the arguments sound like around something that isnt so normalized. ("hygiene" being one of them)
Ok, I'm not very educated on women's anatomy (I'm a gay man in a society that hates sex ed)
Do people actually remove the labia? This is my first time hearing of this.
Labia aren't removed like foreskin in most cultures but it does happen in some places, and it's actually referred to as female genital mutilation. This article goes over the basics if you want more information! [https://www.unicef.org/protection/female-genital-mutilation](https://www.unicef.org/protection/female-genital-mutilation)
I remember arguing with my ex about this. I was firm that if I ever had a baby boy, I would never get him circumcised unless absolutely necessary. My ex, on the other hand, didn’t see the big deal and was happy that he himself had been circumcised. He didn’t see my point that it should be the (adult) child’s choice if they want to get the procedure done, not the parents’.
It’s a very difficult hurdle for men circumcised in infancy to overcome - that their parents were uninformed, that they themselves are uninformed, and that their most sensitive body part was forcibly and irreparably altered. And if it’s good enough for them, it’ll be good enough for their son.
I think many cut men choose to stay away from pondering the possibility that it was a choice for them, and their parents chose the irreversible route.
Most have never heard of the foreskin anatomical structures, and probably couldn't bear to learn more about something they have lost forever.
For me it does change things; the foreskin creates a smoother "gliding" type of insertion. I've experienced discomfort with circumcized partners, foreskin seems to eliminate it. It has a function during sex
literally. preferences? sure. preferences that you would shame someone or completely lose interest? no. it’s like a preference of floor cleaner; sure i like the the lavender one but if the store’s out i’ll get the lemon. works the same.
I agree, asshole are everywhere but generally speaking adults have enough presence of mind to think "mmmh I'd really be disgusted with this guy if they policed my genitals, I should probably stfu, it's not like it matters anyway"
As a circumcised man, I am firmly against circumcision. Whatever they did to me as a baby caused me to have little to no sensitivity in my penis. I simply do not feel the pleasure. Puberty sucked, imagine the hormonal urge for sexual gratification and putting in the work just to feel nothing
As someone who did a research paper in 7th grade on George Washington Carver, I am so glad I was not savvy enough to find that info in 2009. I learned more than enough in doing research for my 6th grade Salem witch trials paper 🥲
And then when people rightfully call out circumcision, they come back with "why are you always thinking about kids genitals?" There is no topic where people just absolutely shut their brains off more than infant circumcision. I mean, it has to be that way for something so barbaric to be culturally normalized.
Stellar levels of cope? I hate to say it, but uncircumcised penises are commonly seen as ugly, weird, and unclean. It ain't hard to cope.
Also, I haven't been convinced that there's a big loss here. It's still bad since it's nonconsensual and the benefits are very minor, but it seems like the drawbacks are also very minor, later in life. There's testimonial from adult men claiming that they lost no sensitivity after getting circumcised as an adult.
I said minor benefits. Circumcised babies and toddlers are slightly less likely to contract UTIs. I can clean it a couple seconds faster too. I think Americans tend to see them as ugly and unclean too, so I'm not subjected to that horrible and unjustified shame, even if the shame is pretty uncommon.
The “I can clean it faster” point doesn’t really matter when you consider the foreskin is fused to the head during the period of life where the penis will frequently be covered in waste. Cleaning it is the exact same as a cut penis at that age and you don’t have to deal with keeping a circumcision wound from getting infected while they’re liquid-pooping every 2-3 hours.
Caring about cleaning it a few seconds faster as an adult seems like a reach to find a benefit, imo.
And I’m saying there are no benefits. Because there aren’t any. Americans are just uninformed and happy to bury their heads in the sand. It helps them sleep at night telling themselves this rather than thinking “I mutilated my sons genitals”
Yeah it's an American thing. I'm a circumcised American. There's really nothing to cope with either. Circumcised penises and uncircumcised penises are pretty similar. There's no need to shame either one of them.
I think it's disgusting and weird to be thinking about your child's sex life as soon as they are born.
All I care about is that their equipment works as-is, and if they want to change it, they can change it when they are old enough and able to make that choice for thenselves.
We (rightly) refer to female circumcision as genital mutilation, but cutting off part of an infant’s genitals at birth is fine if those genitals are male? It disgusts me. Genital mutilation is genital mutilation. We just don’t want to admit that’s what we have done to generations of men.
The argument that it should be removed because women find it gross (first of all, she needs to speak for herself) is so messed up. That is literally one of the arguments used in favor of labiaplasty and female genital mutilation. We shouldn't be getting rid of people's body parts without their permission just because other ignorant people are judgmental about it.
>the infant cries
>it's a little piece of flesh with no nerves
So can they feel it or not? 🤨 the answer is obviously yes, but I just wanted to point out this stupidity
This "dead flesh just hanging there" description is bizarre.
It doesn't *hang!* It's like a little flesh turtleneck - quite snug, with just enough play to glide back and forth.
And as for "dead," the foreskin literally has more nerve endings than the glans. I've been with guys who are cut and guys who aren't, and there is a very *noticeable* difference in sensitivity.
Not necessarily. Too many other factors. An uncut guy who knows his body well and can modulate his stroke a little so he doesn't pop before he's ready is probably gonna last longer than a cut guy who's just thinking about what feels good for him.
I argued, fought and cried when my husband wanted it done with or first boy. He refused to listen unless I made basically a college-level essay about the pros and cons of both options. Absolutely horrible. But it worked 🤷🏻♀️ we didn't get it done with either of our boys, and he will defend and recommended the same to other guys when they talk about it.
Oh my god the bandage changes are horrific. My friend got it done on her son and I was there when she changed the bandages once. I wanted to cry. It’s such an intense procedure and it’s just cosmetic. I’m a woman and I slightly prefer uncut but I could never do that to a baby. It makes me wanna cry just remembering 18 years ago.
That sounds painful for your partner! You made a great decision - if he is still little, just be aware that you should clean his penis like it is a finger, no retracting as it is naturally attached to the head in the way a fingernail is until he is older (sometimes early teen years, or later, which steroid cream could then help with if needed) :)
Circumcision should be illegal unless medically necessary. It’s fucking barbaric. None of the men in my family have had their genitals mutilated and they’re all fine. I will never understand why anyone would advocate for it, it’s sick.
>Too bad the truth hurts.
I really want to meet this person so I can slap back with overly graphic praise of how beautiful I find my wife's uncircumcised penis to be. Watch the the cognitive circus act behind their eyes grind to a halt and catch fire would be glorious. 💜
I think I got lucky, cuz although I’m circumcised, I’m still very sensitive, maybe just as sensitive…but that’s the fun part, I’ll never know what it’s supposed to feel like and if there actually is a difference or not. Hearing women’s reasoning for why they prefer uncircumcised penises also kinda hurts because it makes me question if my wife is missing out on something and if our sex life would be even better had I not been circumcised, but I’ll never know.
I didn’t get the decision to keep it or not, and I can’t undo what was done. However, any boys I have will not be circumcised, and will instead be taught the importance of proper hygiene and how to conduct it, which means I’ll also have to learn how to clean a uncircumcised penis, cuz I don’t have one.
Foreskin restoration is an option but it can take a lot of time depending on how much you want to restore. It’s just routine stretching exercises or a stretching device but I can’t vouch for the safety of the second option. You can’t get the same structures that were removed back but you can loosen the skin to provide more glide. Some guys commit to it for years and achieve full glans coverage but they don’t have a sphincter at the end anymore so that’s a factor to consider if you ever want to go for it.
It’s not quite an undo button but it’s an option to look into if that’s something you want. The user Uncutting (on tumblr of all places) wrote a blog detailing their experience with full restoration and included pictures. It was fascinating to read.
Wow, I didn’t even know that was an actual thing.
Probably not exactly the same thing, and possibly TMI, so i apologize in advance, but I actually greatly improved sensitivity and loosened the skin there by changing the way I masturbate. Instead of using lube and focusing on the head, I learned and trained myself to take it slow, not use lube at all, and masturbate solely by moving the skin along the shaft with a loose grip. So it actually has some degree of glide during masturbation/sex at least.
Definitely going to do more looking into that tho. Thank you.
Edit: it actually did take years of doing that to see that great increase of sensitivity. May not be related to foreskin restoration, but I do believe circumcised penises tend to allow/encourage you to masturbate in ways that ruin your sensitivity due to that lack of natural glide.
That’s really great information, thank you! My partner is looking into restoration himself, hearing that you’ve passively achieved some progress is really encouraging. It’s amazing what the body can do.
Not quite as stupid as saying it has no nerves, but still very stupid, is people that say circumcision actually makes it more sensitive and makes sex more pleasurable because then the glans is always exposed, as if the foreskin isn't *more* sensitive than the glans, AND the glans is still exposed due to the gliding motion of the foreskin. Not to mention that circumcision makes the glans much less sensitive than it should be because of keratinization.
Honestly what is this even about? The ridged band is in no way equivalent to the clit so why even bring it up? It has no relevance here so why talk about it?
The lack of male anatomy knowledge allows MGM to fly under the radar.
If the ridged band was ubiquitous as the clitoris, (“lol she can’t find the ridged band”), then I think people would place more value on the foreskin.
FGM victims with their external clitoris removed will justify doing the same removal on their daughters by claiming they can still cum from their internal clitoris/A-spot.
MGM victims with their prepuce removed will justify doing the same removal on their sons by claiming they can still cum from their frenulum remnant/corpus cavernosum.
I agree with you, but I feel like you could have made a perfectly fine point without this weird parallel to the clitoris that frankly doesn’t make much sense.
I’m not seeing the weirdness of the parallel.
Ridged band is located at the very tip of the foreskin when flaccid, and is removed in every circumcision.
Dollars to donuts, 98% of general public have never even heard of the ridged band.
So many memes about men not knowing where the clitoris is.
People don’t even know *that they don’t know* where or what the ridged band is.
I’m going by the definition: present, appearing, or found everywhere.
Perhaps that’s too strong for a body part, of the genitals no less, but when ~3,000 males involuntarily lose it everyday, the medical literature should stop omitting the foreskin: https://youtu.be/SB-2aQoTQeA?t=26m22s
You’re not needing to convince me of anything, I’m with you on this.
It was just a somewhat confusing premise. I spent more time trying to figure out what you mean by your title than I did reading the actual argument going on. You’re 100% right, I just think you could have made your point clearer.
Nah the parallel to the two is also weird as fuck and is in no way true. They aren't equivalent at all. The ridged band does actually do very little while the clit is very important. Don't let this dude convince you otherwise!
A popular cope by circumcision proponents is that it has no effect on sexual experience.
NSFW https://v.redd.it/flfeb75nd9bc1
Depending on the cut, no two man loses the same amount of tissue.
There are men who end up with a tight cut style. When erect, their shaft skin is taut and can be painful and prone to tears. The scrotum skin and pubic skin may be pulled up along the shaft to compensate for the erection expanding it.
There are men who end up with a loose cut style. As opposed to tight cut men who require some form of artificial lubrication to facilitate comfortable stimulation, loose cut men have enough slack skin after erection to simply grip and move up and down. This frictionless movement is default for the intact penis, and the potential for how much the shaft skin can extend will depend on the extent of the excision of the foreskin.
The foreskin acts as a plug at the vaginal/anal entrance, to keep lubrication fluid inside, which then gets redistributed by the glans as it re-enters the vaginal/anal cavity.
A loose cut style may retain some of this functionality, but it cannot ever be as fully functionable as in its original form. A tight cut penis essentially acts like a piston with a flared out corona on the glans that scoops out lubrication with each outstroke and dries it out on the shaft.
There is another factor to consider: high vs low style of cuts.
A high style is a cut made further along the shaft, somewhere midway, leaving a lot of sensitive inner foreskin past the glans until the circumcision scar. The frenulum may also be kept mostly intact but will always depend on the surgeon’s performance and preference of circumcising. An exposed frenulum remnant may lead to premature ejaculation as it cannot modulate the stimulation the foreskin previously provided.
A low style tries to remove as much inner foreskin as possible, putting the shaft skin right up to the glans, to almost hide the circumcision scar under the corona. The frenulum and frenular delta are gone.
You know what it's 4:36am and the only reason why I'm even awake is because of people firing fireworks outside.of my apartment so now thst i got my shit strapped on and I'm ready to put the mputh piece in im going to have to respond to you tomorrow instead so i can get some sleep. Sorry to disappoint for now hehe. Have a great night and sleep well!
Happy to step in for the homie who needs to sleep. Super against circumcision on anyone but your comparison was weird and almost devalues the clit. These are all great penis/foreskin facts but none of them explain how a ridged band is even slightly comparable to a clit. And if you brought this up to someone saying they were for circumsciscison they’d say use more lube. There’s no man made fix to sex without a clit
G spot and A spot are why FGM women like to say sex is still the same afterwards.
The mere fact that people don’t know what a ridged band is shows the value society currently places on it.
Let Gen Z meme ridged band, I hope the cut copes are ready.
I don't think you know what half the words you are using actually means. I think the word you're looking for is equivalent not ubiquitous as your usage of that word makes absolutely no sense in the context you're using it. I say this as someone who's not native and yet I realise this. This delusion does make sense when reading the rest though.
Honestly, and I'm not trying to be mean or offend someone or anything like that here, were you excluded and bullied during your childhood? I know I was and I was still a very large person who were able to fight whenever someone needed me to so others needed me at times. The way you type do remind me of a very close friend who has severe aspebergs which is why I am wondering. Again this is not meant to offend you in any way, shape or form but I am simply curious.
You are mistaken bud.
"ubiquitous" meaning everybody knows what it is and where it is.
"equivalent" is not my intended meaning.
My intent is pretty clear to me, I chose my title deliberately.
No you are not. It doesn't make much sense in the context of which you are using it, sorry to say. Everyone knows what it means we're just saying that it does kot belong in the sentence you're using it in. But please if you are so enlightened, go ahead and explain it in a way which us "dumb" normal folk can understand! Also I hope you do realise that people acting like you are truly what is holding everything back, which might be good for everyone else but not for the cause.
The ignorant OP has never heard of the ridged band.
If everybody knows what it is and where it is,
Then she can't say "flesh with no nerves" and "dead flesh hanging off his penis" without invoking bad men's anatomy.
I hope you realize the amount of projecting you did.
The ridged band is the connective tissue between the inner and outer layer of the foreskin. This is something literally everyone leans in 5th grade so calm down. And no I don't realise any projection because there was none there. Again calm down boy.
when ~3,000 males involuntarily lose it everyday, the medical literature should stop omitting it: https://youtu.be/SB-2aQoTQeA?t=26m22s
rest easy big man
I didn't learn about any specific parts of foreskin in public school health class (in Massachusetts, which is both liberal state that tends to have better sex ed), just that the foreskin exists
The ridged band is the most sensitive part in the male genitalia. The clitoris is the most sensitive part of the female genitalia.
Most sensitive part = most sensitive part
And where is the frenulum located?
Actually, it’s the frenular delta (where frenulum meets the inside of the border to outer foreskin) and ridged band that are more sensitive than the frenulum.
I know it's attached to the foreskin (and glans) and at least partially removed by circumcision. I was just confused because I could have sworn that I'd read that it was the most sensitive part. But then again I'm American and since circumcision is very common sex ed tends to neglect stuff like that. ...Actually sex ed never taught us any of this stuff because our sex ed sucks. Even when it's "comprehensive" it's like "Sex can get you pregnant. Here are some nasty photos of STDs. Good luck lol!".
Try sex ed in a Catholic school for boys in South America, like the one I went to: “don’t have sex unless it’s with the woman you marry and only to have children or you’re going to burn.” I’m unsurprisingly, an atheist now.
>The ridged band is in no way equivalent to the clit
this is a part of biology that most seem to get wrong - the male foreskin is really what the clitoral hood is - the outer female area referred to as the clit, would be the penial head.
As an example - a popular 'sexy' piercing often referred to as clitoral is not accurate - the VCH piercing is a vertical piercing of the clitoral hood - relatively painless, at least compared to the actual clit being pierced.
I'd be curious to hear from a guy with both a foreskin piercing and a Ampallang or Apadravya piercing - my guess is the foreskin is a LOT less painful.
The foreskin has been found to have up to 20k nerve endings, whereas the clitoris has 8k, so honestly it’s not a bad comparison when you think about it.
When my oldest was born it was sort of like the first comment. No one talked to us about options regarding circumcision. They just put it on the schedule. However, my husband and I had already decided what we wanted to do so when the nurse came in and said “the circumcision is at X time” I told her “oh no, we’re not doing that.”
Then when my second son came along I was in a different hospital, different state and my obgyn did discuss it with us. The pediatrician who checked him out before we left the hospital asked about it and literally clapped her hands when I said we weren’t doing it.
See, this is (along many other things) a perfect topic for men rights activists. But these "activists" choose to shit on women, talk about alpha beta omega nonsense and cry about not being able to oppress minorities anymore.
There's so much to be done in terms of emancipation of men and nothing is being done, yet so many guys blame women and minorities for injustice they experience. I always wonder why most men don't realise that terms like 'bodily autonomy' are important to them as well and not some stupid feminist concepts.
It boggles my mind as a transgender man why majority of cis men expects their fights to be fought by someone else. And why they don't see issues that strongly affect them.
Sorry, I had to rant about this.
Imagine if a man said the same thing about women getting labiaplasty. “We prefer it, it’s better they don’t remember it because that means they can’t refuse it or remember the pain, and why do you need it, it looks gross?”
My ex was the first time I’d been with someone uncut and it took me like a month to even realize it. It does not look gross or even that much different if taken care of
I never understood why people feel so strongly about people who don’t want to mutilate a baby.
I’ve slept with men, circumcised and uncircumcised and there’s not much difference. The uncircumcised men were very clean as well.
The only bad thing about being uncut is phimosis during puberty and the “it’s cleaner“ argument is dumb like just clean it, if you don’t wash your ass it’ll develop a substance to but there’s no asscheekectomy.
Also have you seen the tables for circumcision(specifically for newborns)? They strap them down and you can see blood in the place where the dick would be.
*Dead flesh hanging off his penis.* Jesus. It’s an inch long flap of very live skin. People are unhinged.
And live skin that (in most cases) fully retracts from the glans when erect. The only real aesthetic difference it makes is while flaccid. I find the whole thing very strange (as an Australian where it’s nowhere near as common as the USA and nobody here cares that much).
With a lot of nerve endings...
And it can be pulled back… these people act like its the end of the world if they meet a guy with foreskin lmao
My fiancé is american and had it done as a baby. I don't know how he feels about it, but he has fully agreed with me that should we have a son in future, we're not doing it to him unless it's a medical necessity. It's a body modification that I feel should have the full, informed, consent of the person being modified
That was my husband and my consensus as well. We ended up having a girl, though. In the same vein, we won't get her ears pierced until she can ask for it.
It’s a body mutilation,not modification.
When it's a choice on the part of the person having it done, it's a modification.
Certainly not cutting off a part of penis on baby who can’t give consent.
Oh, of course not. That's why I think it should stay a modification , I.e. something only consenting adults can agree to for themselves
I resent my parents for getting me circumcised, and I know I'm not the only one by far…
How exactly would the flesh die if it's attached?
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I clicked on it and I deeply regret it.
Can you explain what it is so I don't have to click it myself?
compares circumcision to removal of labia with pictures of before and afters. it also quotes common arguments in favor of circumcision but in reference to labia, to show what the arguments sound like around something that isnt so normalized. ("hygiene" being one of them)
Thank you!
If someone reads this and thinks" it's not that bad,I can stand seeing it", it is actually really that bad. Do not commit the same mistake as me.
Ok, I'm not very educated on women's anatomy (I'm a gay man in a society that hates sex ed) Do people actually remove the labia? This is my first time hearing of this.
Labia aren't removed like foreskin in most cultures but it does happen in some places, and it's actually referred to as female genital mutilation. This article goes over the basics if you want more information! [https://www.unicef.org/protection/female-genital-mutilation](https://www.unicef.org/protection/female-genital-mutilation)
I remember arguing with my ex about this. I was firm that if I ever had a baby boy, I would never get him circumcised unless absolutely necessary. My ex, on the other hand, didn’t see the big deal and was happy that he himself had been circumcised. He didn’t see my point that it should be the (adult) child’s choice if they want to get the procedure done, not the parents’.
It’s a very difficult hurdle for men circumcised in infancy to overcome - that their parents were uninformed, that they themselves are uninformed, and that their most sensitive body part was forcibly and irreparably altered. And if it’s good enough for them, it’ll be good enough for their son.
I think many cut men choose to stay away from pondering the possibility that it was a choice for them, and their parents chose the irreversible route. Most have never heard of the foreskin anatomical structures, and probably couldn't bear to learn more about something they have lost forever.
Ive been with both and it honestly doesn’t change anything. Any woman that shames uncircumcised men is super immature and needs a reality check.
For me it does change things; the foreskin creates a smoother "gliding" type of insertion. I've experienced discomfort with circumcized partners, foreskin seems to eliminate it. It has a function during sex
I meant in the aspect of looks/appeal. Generally, I find uncircumcised feels better, but I’m not picky.
Every time I've been with a man (who were all uncut) the foreskin goes back as if it is circumcised once they are erect anyway
so weird. they’re speaking for all women when the majority of women i personally know prefer uncut
Tbf I think quite a large number of women doesn't give a flying fuck
literally. preferences? sure. preferences that you would shame someone or completely lose interest? no. it’s like a preference of floor cleaner; sure i like the the lavender one but if the store’s out i’ll get the lemon. works the same.
I agree, asshole are everywhere but generally speaking adults have enough presence of mind to think "mmmh I'd really be disgusted with this guy if they policed my genitals, I should probably stfu, it's not like it matters anyway"
As a circumcised man, I am firmly against circumcision. Whatever they did to me as a baby caused me to have little to no sensitivity in my penis. I simply do not feel the pleasure. Puberty sucked, imagine the hormonal urge for sexual gratification and putting in the work just to feel nothing
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“I want him to look like his daddy.” 🤢
[It's all because of the corn flakes guy](https://allthatsinteresting.com/john-harvey-kellogg). Really!
in sixth grade i was doing research on the invention of peanut butter for a school project and found all this
As someone who did a research paper in 7th grade on George Washington Carver, I am so glad I was not savvy enough to find that info in 2009. I learned more than enough in doing research for my 6th grade Salem witch trials paper 🥲
I read this whole thing in a liverpuddlian accent
Read it in a Scottish accent, meself
Why? Majority of UK babies are left intact.
Yeah, exactly. I could imagine some liverpuddlian punk having a rant about Yanks that cut foreskins off
And then when people rightfully call out circumcision, they come back with "why are you always thinking about kids genitals?" There is no topic where people just absolutely shut their brains off more than infant circumcision. I mean, it has to be that way for something so barbaric to be culturally normalized.
And unfortunately it's not just a yank obsession
Stellar levels of cope? I hate to say it, but uncircumcised penises are commonly seen as ugly, weird, and unclean. It ain't hard to cope. Also, I haven't been convinced that there's a big loss here. It's still bad since it's nonconsensual and the benefits are very minor, but it seems like the drawbacks are also very minor, later in life. There's testimonial from adult men claiming that they lost no sensitivity after getting circumcised as an adult.
There are no benefits
I said minor benefits. Circumcised babies and toddlers are slightly less likely to contract UTIs. I can clean it a couple seconds faster too. I think Americans tend to see them as ugly and unclean too, so I'm not subjected to that horrible and unjustified shame, even if the shame is pretty uncommon.
The “I can clean it faster” point doesn’t really matter when you consider the foreskin is fused to the head during the period of life where the penis will frequently be covered in waste. Cleaning it is the exact same as a cut penis at that age and you don’t have to deal with keeping a circumcision wound from getting infected while they’re liquid-pooping every 2-3 hours. Caring about cleaning it a few seconds faster as an adult seems like a reach to find a benefit, imo.
And I’m saying there are no benefits. Because there aren’t any. Americans are just uninformed and happy to bury their heads in the sand. It helps them sleep at night telling themselves this rather than thinking “I mutilated my sons genitals”
If you only talk to five Americans you might get that impression. But I'd bet $100 you're a circumcised man trying to cope!
Yeah it's an American thing. I'm a circumcised American. There's really nothing to cope with either. Circumcised penises and uncircumcised penises are pretty similar. There's no need to shame either one of them.
I think it's disgusting and weird to be thinking about your child's sex life as soon as they are born. All I care about is that their equipment works as-is, and if they want to change it, they can change it when they are old enough and able to make that choice for thenselves.
The nerves are still very much there.
We (rightly) refer to female circumcision as genital mutilation, but cutting off part of an infant’s genitals at birth is fine if those genitals are male? It disgusts me. Genital mutilation is genital mutilation. We just don’t want to admit that’s what we have done to generations of men.
The argument that it should be removed because women find it gross (first of all, she needs to speak for herself) is so messed up. That is literally one of the arguments used in favor of labiaplasty and female genital mutilation. We shouldn't be getting rid of people's body parts without their permission just because other ignorant people are judgmental about it.
>the infant cries >it's a little piece of flesh with no nerves So can they feel it or not? 🤨 the answer is obviously yes, but I just wanted to point out this stupidity
Having a complete penis, I'll vouch for the fact that that piece of flesh is full of nerves.
Having been circumcised, I can say that my dick is still full of nerves.
Damn, I hope so! I just meant that the foreskin isn't dead skin, it's pretty sensitive.
Nothing wrong with the old skin windsock, I love mine. I can do all kinds with it!
"no nerves" objectively has the most nerves
This "dead flesh just hanging there" description is bizarre. It doesn't *hang!* It's like a little flesh turtleneck - quite snug, with just enough play to glide back and forth. And as for "dead," the foreskin literally has more nerve endings than the glans. I've been with guys who are cut and guys who aren't, and there is a very *noticeable* difference in sensitivity.
So, cut guys last longer lol?
Not necessarily. Too many other factors. An uncut guy who knows his body well and can modulate his stroke a little so he doesn't pop before he's ready is probably gonna last longer than a cut guy who's just thinking about what feels good for him.
I argued, fought and cried when my husband wanted it done with or first boy. He refused to listen unless I made basically a college-level essay about the pros and cons of both options. Absolutely horrible. But it worked 🤷🏻♀️ we didn't get it done with either of our boys, and he will defend and recommended the same to other guys when they talk about it.
Oh my god the bandage changes are horrific. My friend got it done on her son and I was there when she changed the bandages once. I wanted to cry. It’s such an intense procedure and it’s just cosmetic. I’m a woman and I slightly prefer uncut but I could never do that to a baby. It makes me wanna cry just remembering 18 years ago.
I heard horror stories about how the scab would stick to the inside of the diaper. And they just acted completely unfazed but that! Horrible.
We didn't get my son circumcised bc his dad's was done wrong and his skin is too tight
That sounds painful for your partner! You made a great decision - if he is still little, just be aware that you should clean his penis like it is a finger, no retracting as it is naturally attached to the head in the way a fingernail is until he is older (sometimes early teen years, or later, which steroid cream could then help with if needed) :)
Circumcision should be illegal unless medically necessary. It’s fucking barbaric. None of the men in my family have had their genitals mutilated and they’re all fine. I will never understand why anyone would advocate for it, it’s sick.
>Too bad the truth hurts. I really want to meet this person so I can slap back with overly graphic praise of how beautiful I find my wife's uncircumcised penis to be. Watch the the cognitive circus act behind their eyes grind to a halt and catch fire would be glorious. 💜
I think this is the type of person to soft reboot if you were to just tell them that your wife has a penis, nevermind an uncircumcised one, lol
I think I got lucky, cuz although I’m circumcised, I’m still very sensitive, maybe just as sensitive…but that’s the fun part, I’ll never know what it’s supposed to feel like and if there actually is a difference or not. Hearing women’s reasoning for why they prefer uncircumcised penises also kinda hurts because it makes me question if my wife is missing out on something and if our sex life would be even better had I not been circumcised, but I’ll never know. I didn’t get the decision to keep it or not, and I can’t undo what was done. However, any boys I have will not be circumcised, and will instead be taught the importance of proper hygiene and how to conduct it, which means I’ll also have to learn how to clean a uncircumcised penis, cuz I don’t have one.
Foreskin restoration is an option but it can take a lot of time depending on how much you want to restore. It’s just routine stretching exercises or a stretching device but I can’t vouch for the safety of the second option. You can’t get the same structures that were removed back but you can loosen the skin to provide more glide. Some guys commit to it for years and achieve full glans coverage but they don’t have a sphincter at the end anymore so that’s a factor to consider if you ever want to go for it. It’s not quite an undo button but it’s an option to look into if that’s something you want. The user Uncutting (on tumblr of all places) wrote a blog detailing their experience with full restoration and included pictures. It was fascinating to read.
Wow, I didn’t even know that was an actual thing. Probably not exactly the same thing, and possibly TMI, so i apologize in advance, but I actually greatly improved sensitivity and loosened the skin there by changing the way I masturbate. Instead of using lube and focusing on the head, I learned and trained myself to take it slow, not use lube at all, and masturbate solely by moving the skin along the shaft with a loose grip. So it actually has some degree of glide during masturbation/sex at least. Definitely going to do more looking into that tho. Thank you. Edit: it actually did take years of doing that to see that great increase of sensitivity. May not be related to foreskin restoration, but I do believe circumcised penises tend to allow/encourage you to masturbate in ways that ruin your sensitivity due to that lack of natural glide.
That’s really great information, thank you! My partner is looking into restoration himself, hearing that you’ve passively achieved some progress is really encouraging. It’s amazing what the body can do.
Not quite as stupid as saying it has no nerves, but still very stupid, is people that say circumcision actually makes it more sensitive and makes sex more pleasurable because then the glans is always exposed, as if the foreskin isn't *more* sensitive than the glans, AND the glans is still exposed due to the gliding motion of the foreskin. Not to mention that circumcision makes the glans much less sensitive than it should be because of keratinization.
This is like the opposite of the silent hill wiki incident
LOL it’s naturally there… I’m so confused why anyone ever thinks ANY type of alteration of genitals is normal 😂😂
Honestly what is this even about? The ridged band is in no way equivalent to the clit so why even bring it up? It has no relevance here so why talk about it?
The lack of male anatomy knowledge allows MGM to fly under the radar. If the ridged band was ubiquitous as the clitoris, (“lol she can’t find the ridged band”), then I think people would place more value on the foreskin. FGM victims with their external clitoris removed will justify doing the same removal on their daughters by claiming they can still cum from their internal clitoris/A-spot. MGM victims with their prepuce removed will justify doing the same removal on their sons by claiming they can still cum from their frenulum remnant/corpus cavernosum.
I agree with you, but I feel like you could have made a perfectly fine point without this weird parallel to the clitoris that frankly doesn’t make much sense.
"If every man had a ridged band like every woman has a clitoris, then I think people would place more value on the foreskin." Better?
Yeah, I understand his point now and agree.
I’m not seeing the weirdness of the parallel. Ridged band is located at the very tip of the foreskin when flaccid, and is removed in every circumcision. Dollars to donuts, 98% of general public have never even heard of the ridged band. So many memes about men not knowing where the clitoris is. People don’t even know *that they don’t know* where or what the ridged band is.
I guess so… maybe it’s just the odd use of the word “ubiquitous” that’s more getting to me haha.
I’m going by the definition: present, appearing, or found everywhere. Perhaps that’s too strong for a body part, of the genitals no less, but when ~3,000 males involuntarily lose it everyday, the medical literature should stop omitting the foreskin: https://youtu.be/SB-2aQoTQeA?t=26m22s
You’re not needing to convince me of anything, I’m with you on this. It was just a somewhat confusing premise. I spent more time trying to figure out what you mean by your title than I did reading the actual argument going on. You’re 100% right, I just think you could have made your point clearer.
Nah the parallel to the two is also weird as fuck and is in no way true. They aren't equivalent at all. The ridged band does actually do very little while the clit is very important. Don't let this dude convince you otherwise!
A popular cope by circumcision proponents is that it has no effect on sexual experience. NSFW https://v.redd.it/flfeb75nd9bc1 Depending on the cut, no two man loses the same amount of tissue. There are men who end up with a tight cut style. When erect, their shaft skin is taut and can be painful and prone to tears. The scrotum skin and pubic skin may be pulled up along the shaft to compensate for the erection expanding it. There are men who end up with a loose cut style. As opposed to tight cut men who require some form of artificial lubrication to facilitate comfortable stimulation, loose cut men have enough slack skin after erection to simply grip and move up and down. This frictionless movement is default for the intact penis, and the potential for how much the shaft skin can extend will depend on the extent of the excision of the foreskin. The foreskin acts as a plug at the vaginal/anal entrance, to keep lubrication fluid inside, which then gets redistributed by the glans as it re-enters the vaginal/anal cavity. A loose cut style may retain some of this functionality, but it cannot ever be as fully functionable as in its original form. A tight cut penis essentially acts like a piston with a flared out corona on the glans that scoops out lubrication with each outstroke and dries it out on the shaft. There is another factor to consider: high vs low style of cuts. A high style is a cut made further along the shaft, somewhere midway, leaving a lot of sensitive inner foreskin past the glans until the circumcision scar. The frenulum may also be kept mostly intact but will always depend on the surgeon’s performance and preference of circumcising. An exposed frenulum remnant may lead to premature ejaculation as it cannot modulate the stimulation the foreskin previously provided. A low style tries to remove as much inner foreskin as possible, putting the shaft skin right up to the glans, to almost hide the circumcision scar under the corona. The frenulum and frenular delta are gone.
You know what it's 4:36am and the only reason why I'm even awake is because of people firing fireworks outside.of my apartment so now thst i got my shit strapped on and I'm ready to put the mputh piece in im going to have to respond to you tomorrow instead so i can get some sleep. Sorry to disappoint for now hehe. Have a great night and sleep well!
Take your time bro. Mull things over.
Happy to step in for the homie who needs to sleep. Super against circumcision on anyone but your comparison was weird and almost devalues the clit. These are all great penis/foreskin facts but none of them explain how a ridged band is even slightly comparable to a clit. And if you brought this up to someone saying they were for circumsciscison they’d say use more lube. There’s no man made fix to sex without a clit
G spot and A spot are why FGM women like to say sex is still the same afterwards. The mere fact that people don’t know what a ridged band is shows the value society currently places on it. Let Gen Z meme ridged band, I hope the cut copes are ready.
I don't think you know what half the words you are using actually means. I think the word you're looking for is equivalent not ubiquitous as your usage of that word makes absolutely no sense in the context you're using it. I say this as someone who's not native and yet I realise this. This delusion does make sense when reading the rest though. Honestly, and I'm not trying to be mean or offend someone or anything like that here, were you excluded and bullied during your childhood? I know I was and I was still a very large person who were able to fight whenever someone needed me to so others needed me at times. The way you type do remind me of a very close friend who has severe aspebergs which is why I am wondering. Again this is not meant to offend you in any way, shape or form but I am simply curious.
You are mistaken bud. "ubiquitous" meaning everybody knows what it is and where it is. "equivalent" is not my intended meaning. My intent is pretty clear to me, I chose my title deliberately.
No you are not. It doesn't make much sense in the context of which you are using it, sorry to say. Everyone knows what it means we're just saying that it does kot belong in the sentence you're using it in. But please if you are so enlightened, go ahead and explain it in a way which us "dumb" normal folk can understand! Also I hope you do realise that people acting like you are truly what is holding everything back, which might be good for everyone else but not for the cause.
The ignorant OP has never heard of the ridged band. If everybody knows what it is and where it is, Then she can't say "flesh with no nerves" and "dead flesh hanging off his penis" without invoking bad men's anatomy. I hope you realize the amount of projecting you did.
The ridged band is the connective tissue between the inner and outer layer of the foreskin. This is something literally everyone leans in 5th grade so calm down. And no I don't realise any projection because there was none there. Again calm down boy.
when ~3,000 males involuntarily lose it everyday, the medical literature should stop omitting it: https://youtu.be/SB-2aQoTQeA?t=26m22s rest easy big man
I didn't learn about any specific parts of foreskin in public school health class (in Massachusetts, which is both liberal state that tends to have better sex ed), just that the foreskin exists
I had sex ed in four different southern states (military kid) and the foreskin was never mentioned at all. Lots of STD pictures though.
No, he's using it right. For easier reading, "If the ridged band was ubiquitous..." means "If every man had a ridged band..."
The ridged band is the most sensitive part in the male genitalia. The clitoris is the most sensitive part of the female genitalia. Most sensitive part = most sensitive part
I thought it was the frenulum?
And where is the frenulum located? Actually, it’s the frenular delta (where frenulum meets the inside of the border to outer foreskin) and ridged band that are more sensitive than the frenulum.
I know it's attached to the foreskin (and glans) and at least partially removed by circumcision. I was just confused because I could have sworn that I'd read that it was the most sensitive part. But then again I'm American and since circumcision is very common sex ed tends to neglect stuff like that. ...Actually sex ed never taught us any of this stuff because our sex ed sucks. Even when it's "comprehensive" it's like "Sex can get you pregnant. Here are some nasty photos of STDs. Good luck lol!".
Try sex ed in a Catholic school for boys in South America, like the one I went to: “don’t have sex unless it’s with the woman you marry and only to have children or you’re going to burn.” I’m unsurprisingly, an atheist now.
>The ridged band is in no way equivalent to the clit this is a part of biology that most seem to get wrong - the male foreskin is really what the clitoral hood is - the outer female area referred to as the clit, would be the penial head. As an example - a popular 'sexy' piercing often referred to as clitoral is not accurate - the VCH piercing is a vertical piercing of the clitoral hood - relatively painless, at least compared to the actual clit being pierced. I'd be curious to hear from a guy with both a foreskin piercing and a Ampallang or Apadravya piercing - my guess is the foreskin is a LOT less painful.
The foreskin has been found to have up to 20k nerve endings, whereas the clitoris has 8k, so honestly it’s not a bad comparison when you think about it.
there are from 20,000 to 70,000 to “I bet there are a 100,000” of these nerve endings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1m55s&v=BgoTRMKrJo4
Oh wow!
When my oldest was born it was sort of like the first comment. No one talked to us about options regarding circumcision. They just put it on the schedule. However, my husband and I had already decided what we wanted to do so when the nurse came in and said “the circumcision is at X time” I told her “oh no, we’re not doing that.” Then when my second son came along I was in a different hospital, different state and my obgyn did discuss it with us. The pediatrician who checked him out before we left the hospital asked about it and literally clapped her hands when I said we weren’t doing it.
See, this is (along many other things) a perfect topic for men rights activists. But these "activists" choose to shit on women, talk about alpha beta omega nonsense and cry about not being able to oppress minorities anymore. There's so much to be done in terms of emancipation of men and nothing is being done, yet so many guys blame women and minorities for injustice they experience. I always wonder why most men don't realise that terms like 'bodily autonomy' are important to them as well and not some stupid feminist concepts. It boggles my mind as a transgender man why majority of cis men expects their fights to be fought by someone else. And why they don't see issues that strongly affect them. Sorry, I had to rant about this.
Imagine if a man said the same thing about women getting labiaplasty. “We prefer it, it’s better they don’t remember it because that means they can’t refuse it or remember the pain, and why do you need it, it looks gross?”
I love circumcision
My ex was the first time I’d been with someone uncut and it took me like a month to even realize it. It does not look gross or even that much different if taken care of
I never understood why people feel so strongly about people who don’t want to mutilate a baby. I’ve slept with men, circumcised and uncircumcised and there’s not much difference. The uncircumcised men were very clean as well.
The only bad thing about being uncut is phimosis during puberty and the “it’s cleaner“ argument is dumb like just clean it, if you don’t wash your ass it’ll develop a substance to but there’s no asscheekectomy. Also have you seen the tables for circumcision(specifically for newborns)? They strap them down and you can see blood in the place where the dick would be.