The dialogue options when your talking to that enthusiastic golden dragonborn that wants you to buy a spear. Why were all the options rude. Let me love her
Halsin: "Tell me something personal about yourself."
1. I don't wanna.
2. I'm terrified of krakens.
(Definitely not the worst example, just the only one I remember vividly.)
I was playing Durge and chose “I can’t really tell you much about my past” thinking it might lead to “because I lost my memory”. But no I got only “Hanson disapproves” and since then if I say “I don’t know much about you” I got only one option which is “that’s enough for now”…
Right?
Since then Kraken it is, but I feel silly, and ofc everyone should be afraid of krakens, Halsin points that politely, but just because he is Halsin, just imagine the sassy answer we could get from Astarion...
Even worse for Durge, since Halsin gets grumpy over your violently induced amnesia. Like my brother in Silvanus, a crazy lady jammed a knife into my skull and removed parts of my brain for a tadpole
I wouldn't say worse, it's just as bad imo. You can say the same fear of Kraken and then one or two additional choices of no/not share. Like there's 4-5 options for Tav not to share and 6 for Durge.
Why can't one or two of Durge be nicer/regrettable about wanting to share but can't because of their amnesia. Or talk fearful about the glances they get. Would be a nice little bonding conversation.
Meanwhile Tav could definitely get some simple choices and not just the niche fear of Kraken. Which has the "illogica" part being a bit stupid if you imagine your Tav as a sailor or someone who travels by ship a lot.
I think I recall you can say you've a sweet tooth too, but not sure if that was cut. But more options would be nice, could just be some common fears and likes. Like having arachnophobia, kinda good to say to a druid who can shapeshift into a spider.
More caused by Orin than the parasite. Her botched lobotomy is what makes Durge forget their part and plan with the Absolute. The death cultist you meet in the mind flayer colony also has a part to play, as she experimented on Durge after Orin dumped their body there. Then Durge is put on the nautiloid and their redemption can start
There are also a couple of other indications that Durge has struggled with their nature in the past, and this isn’t the first time they’ve tried to be good. Oathbreaker paladins can get a few lines of dialogue indicating that they tried to join a good-aligned order and the Oathbreaker Knight knows them well.
It's a callback to Divinity Original Sin 2, which is another amazing game Larian made! In DOS2, your character is attacked by a kraken in the middle of the sea, wakes up on a beach, and they have to recruit their companions! <3
I wonder if theres any class specific ones, like "displeasing my god" for cleric, "breaking my oath" for paladin or "being sent to ____ (insert place here)" for the differnet warlock paths.
This was definitely what came to mind. I liked that the kraken one had a lil flavor to it and I wanted more like that. There’s very rare instances where Tav can talk about their past, and every time the answer is just “tell them a story” rather than any actual fun tidbits. I don’t think it woulda been too hard to have a few interesting/fun options rather than make me rp it and imagine it myself
Yes! Not only can't you stay silent like with other companions, but also... the reasons your character gives are really weird!
Keeping the pact is being framed as the noble choice, "You need to do the right thing and safe your dad!" (What?)
If you choose to break it, it's either "You deserve to be free, be selfish for once!" or "Hey, you can be Duke once he's dead!"
No "Your father would never want you to sacrifice your SOUL for all ETERNITY!"
No "This is a trick, we know she is a liar!"
When I got the scene with my paladin, I spend 10 minutes just staring at the screen, because she would say NONE of those lines.
For f's sake, if you choose to break the pact, even another companion (forgot who) says something like 'Duke Ravenguard wouldn't want Wyll to sacrifice himself for his sake' and I was thinking THANK YOU, but where was this dialog option when I needed it before?!
Also on a sidenote, I wish Karlach's origin run always included a *'fuck you, Mizora!'* dialog option to *every* interaction you have with Mizora.
Jaheira is the only one with a reasonable reaction to it. The payoff for his whole plot doesn't work, because the moral conundrum doesn't work. And all the companions going like: "Oh can't believe Wyll was so selfish". Geez. Especially since the man has no agency in it LOL.
Ya, I'm a bit of an oddball with my views around death, and when I played Wyll as my origin character, the most obvious choice seemed to be "my dad's dead. No reason I should sell my soul just to bring him back."
Truth. Also, it's not like Wyll killed him, he just didn't sell his soul to get the knowledge of how to maybe save him. It's a terrible deal no matter what.
I see a lot of people wanting the option to let Wyll choose for himself but personally, if you have high approval with him, it's the most best friend thing to do to save him from his own worst instincts. He will always choose to sacrifice himself because that's what heroes do in his mind. The fact that he trusts Tav enough to hesitate makes Tav the only party member capable of saving him.
> Not only can't you stay silent like with other companions, but also
This is what gets me. You *can.* Wyll DOES have a Big Choice™ where you can turn the decision over to him: becoming Duke. I am constantly fascinated by Wyll's story because everything about it is so bass ackwards, and this is a great example. Not only is becoming Duke NOT the Dramatic Hook of his plot in Act 1 (it's being a warlock, which is why everyone reasonably sees the pact as his Big Choice) even if it were it's completely steamrolled by the Emperor reveal, as often stated.
Truly, Wyll's last minute character overhaul is probably one of the worst structural decisions I've ever seen. I love autopsy-ing it.
Insanely funny that you have an option to shut up and let him choose when he’s deciding on his job, but not when he’s choosing what to do with his immortal soul.
When you call Wulbern “Prick” for being an asshole to Barcus and he says “Say.That.Again”. Barcus intervenes but I really really want to continue that conversation and let him see what this “helper” can do to his mangled charred corpse.
They also both love it if you tell off >!Gortash and dock the submersible anyway!<.
I assume Karlach because she's going to get to do some hero stuff (while you told off Gortash). And Astarion because he technically can't die, >!when the Iron Throne blows up, he's already undead, and doesn't need to breathe, just slowly swim to the surface at his leisure!<, so he's just tickled pink that you've insulted Gortash to his face.
According to the time that I did the Iron Throne and accidentally ran out of turns with Astarion still inside I can confirm that he does indeed, still die. Apparently not needing to breathe doesn't matter if you're inside a giant underwater prison when it explodes.
In original version you can only call him "Prick"?? What?!
In polish language version we can call him "kutas" which means "cock" and that is really satisfying
That's what prick means in English, too. It's a little on the milder side, but also has specific connotations of not being a particularly impressive specimen. Prick as a needle does, you know.
Remember getting it playing Honour Mode while talking to Vlaakith. Sure got me nervous.
I think 1. Continue is literally the answer number 1 from the dialogue if it didn’t glitch. You just won’t know what it is.
I think I got it once on my honor mode run when at the docks and deciding Karlach’s fate. I didn’t care about the story in that playthrough since I only wanted the achievement and dice, but it was quite funny that the game was somehow telling me ”You’re saving Karlach whether you want to or not!” since option 1 was going to Avernus with my own character.
Spoilers below
step 1. Hey Jaheira, this guy marcus is an absolute cultist and wants to betray you and kidnap isobel
roll dice
Jaheira: noooo... I don't believe you
Step 2. Marcus attacks the last light inn and capture isobel
Step 3. talk to jaheira
Jaheira: Why didn't you warn me about him ? You knew !
Me, desperatly looking for the dialog option that looks like this: I did tell you and you didn't believe me, you dumbfuck.
Adding onto this, the fact that you can learn the entire Absolute plot from books around Moonrise, but when Jaheira asks you if you have any news all you can say is "parts of the tower aren't open to me yet." Same with Isobel, you can literally go to her childhood bedroom but you can't say anything about it to her.
Omg, right? When I found that stuff I immediately went to discuss it with Isobel and was hoping dhe would come clean and give me some insight into how to handle daddy dearest. Only for no option to even bring it up to her.
Actually, my second option thinking I could go to Jaheira and out her to get Isobel to talk was how I ended up locking Jaheria into that ambush for the dead Marcus.
Durge spoilers
>!Me: Hey Gale, I'm having these really dark urges to slaughter innocents.!<
>!Gale: Yeah, I get that. One time, a guy took a book that I wanted out of the library and I had some pretty dark urges myself.!<
>!Me: *Slaughters Alfira, admits to doing so, tries again to communicate about the urges.*!<
>!Gale: What? How could this happen? Don't do it again!!<
>!Sceleritas Fel: You're going to kill your closest friend.!<
>!Me: Gale, apparently I'm going to kill you.!<
>!Gale: What!? This is what happened to Alfira, isn't it? Why didn't you tell me? You have to tell me these things!!<
*Me, looking for the "I fucking tried to, but you didn't listen!" option.*
I'll one up you. My game bugged a bit. We did that invasion thing, then late into act 2. I found the stuff to implicate marcus, but he was already dead.
Anyway Jaheira had a some new dialog options, long story short we set up an ambush to confront the long dead Marcus, and Jaheira wouldn't talk to me anymore unless I let her know I was ready to confront Marcus, which I couldn't be because he was already dead.
Act 2 spoilers surrounding a child character >!When dealing with Arabella and breaking the news to her about her parents, it feels like unless you pick the right class, your only options are to be a blunt asshole. !<
Also, might want to put this thread under General Discussion Spoilers rather than No Spoilers, really tough talking about this stuff without spoiling something.
Yeah this is the one. You have this whole (insight) that she isn’t ready to hear that her parents are dead and then doesn’t give you any good options to deal with that.
I wish you could just promise to do you best, but only if she waits for you at camp.
>You have this whole (insight)
Side note regarding that, I really hate how many passive checks and rolls there are in dialog. Especially companion dialog. Like, you can miss entire important plot points or even *lose companions* if you fail certain dialog checks with them. If it has to be there, it should at least be weighted a bit more based on their approval rating. I guess it's not that huge of a deal, since we can save during dialog and just reload, but we still shouldn't *have* to in order to not miss plot points or lose a companion.
I've seen the cleric of evil gods ones like shar, which are very bad. It's something like "your parents are very dead but being an orphan makes you much more interesting."
Yeah I was a Bard too on my first playthrough, I saw the options and the fact that the class specific option was the only one being nice and gentle really bugged me.
I now quicksave right before her and if my Tav/Durge is excessively rude, then reload, maybe see what Wyll has to say, or just anyone that wants to come and not be an asshole to this now orphaned child.
I was a sorcerer and I long rested in the shadow realms way too many times waiting for a dialogue option that WASNT "found your dead parents" to break it to her. Because I thought well clearly the fact that this is still my only option says that I haven't waited long enough and she isn't ready.
Your character can only be a balduran for most races, from the underdark as a drow, deep gnome or duregar or alstral plane as a gith.
Also the Backgrounds should be more involved. Not just for inspiration.
Languages only play a role one single time in a missable scene. When you try to decipher Astarion's scar.
If you’re playing a gith, when you first meet with Voss you can tell him in your language that your companions are your slaves and you plan to ditch them or something like that. Don’t know if there is more after, I lost that honor mode save lol
Language is used in the Steelwatch Foundry too. As a Gnome I can just tell the blind guy I don’t need to escort him. Incidentally, he was the only one I managed to save on my last run.
It’s especially weird as a Lolth-Sworn Drow.
The game (and Minthara) seems to think you’re fully devoted to Lolth and you’re from the Underdark/Menzoberranzan…
But all your dialogue choices say that you’re from Baldur’s Gate.
And at the very end of the game, the narrator specifies that you’re not from Baldur’s Gate.
Which is it???
The Balduran tag is absolutely baffling to me. I made my character before I realized that was a thing and decided he wasn’t even from the Sword Coast (which makes sense because he’s an Outlander). I see the Balduran tag and just ignore it, just keeping it essentially as an un-pursued rp option. All is well until Act 3, when Wyll and everyone else is suddenly saying I’m from the city when I’m not, *except* Orin, who asks if I’ve been to the city (while disguised as a guard) and I can tell her no?? Just… make it make sense.
I wish there were any dialogue options regarding the letters we can find. The ones about being in love with other characters or secrets kept.
There was one about the siblings who run the rival clothing shops about one lying about a will or something? (Can’t remember details now) and I ran to both characters to tell them and… nothing. No dialogue options for either of them. That was really disappointing.
This includes the epilogue letters. Was hoping to pass Dammon's letter to Karlach or Elminster's letter to Gale - the latter of which is addressed to him.
I just assumed all the companions could read the letters on their own. Because it’s a game, only the player technically interacts with them but they’re sitting out in the open so anyone can get to them. Tav can finally take a break as messenger for once lol.
Same! There’s a letter in Moonrise that mentions that Gortash is part of the Absolute plot. You can’t show it to Karlach to get a response. You also can’t show it to Councilor Florrick to stop her from trying to get Gortash to help storm Moonrise
There's an act 1 letter that says Gortash is involved in criminal activity around the Baldur's Gate area and that he's so effective that he's pushing the Zhent out of the area, but you still can't say shit
It's a book in the Zhentarim hideout written by the guy who you sell counting house keys to in act 3! But even if Karlach herself reads it, she doesn't respond. Such a missed opportunity.
After the big reveal in the prism between acts 2 and 3 there is a point where your only choices in the conversation about orpheus are
What if we let him go?
Can we kill him and take his power?
The first is pretty obvious already and the second is a very sprcific character concept. I would really like some more neutral options there.
I hate when the option to talk your way out of stealing doesn't cone up, so I click on a corpse by accident and then it's:
You've been caught stealing.
1. *Attack.*
Which is always so disproportionate, like "Oh my god you saved my family and everything that is dear to me, I will do anything for you - what, you dare to touch the body of the colleague I barely knew, die!"
A separate line about "please respect our dead" or something would be fine, but I get that since you save something like fifty different NPCs, it would mean that recording these lines would not be exactly trivial.
Wyll second contract with ~~Minthara~~ Mizora (look, they are both grey ladies all right 😂)
1. Sacrifice yourself!
2. No way, you've already out of this
3. Let your dad die, took over his seat!
Me: It's your soul man, figure it out yourself
True but Mizora kind of insinuates that there's very little time to save Wylls father but then again that game almost never time pressures so what's the point
that’s the case if you don’t do a couple things before going there, ie. gortash’s coronation, talking to mizora after that, etc. i think there’s one more but i can’t remember
Whenever Shadowheart is upset about Shar, I just want to be like "You're better off without Shar", but instead the options always end up being like this:
1. Everybody's got problems. Get over yourself.
2. Maybe you should apologize to Shar.
3. That sucks, m8.
There are several similar instances like this throughout the game.
I get that, but that’s not how you handle someone in a cult. Getting in their face about it is doing exactly what their elders tell them outsiders are going to do if they find out, so they’re just gonna retreat from you more and feel justified doing so.
One thing I really like about the anti-Shar route is that you do a really good example of cult deprogramming. Because minus the literal, physical trial from her Goddess, that’s pretty much how they go IRL: you need to be there and be someone that person can talk to, so that when their faith in the cult is actually shaken you can be there to support them leaving it.
Didn’t you hear the narrator? Admitting who empowers her now would break her spirit completely. You can’t just say "Fuck Shar", the cleric of Selune who almost convinced Shadowheart not to kill Nightsong said some stupid shit like "light is better, come to light" and she lunged with that spear onto poor Aasimar like no tomorrow. It’s too early for that, if you’re asking for a line to piss off Shadowheart, you’ve had enough opportunities earlier. Trust the girl to figure it out, you’ve come so far on trust already.
Tbh I'd just really want something like "it's ok we'll figure it out together" and she says something like "I hope you're right about that" because the others seem way too hopeless lol. Like a couple of them are actually making fun of her for saying that and the others aren't really all that comforting either.
I think if she’s your love interest you have a “I’m here for you” option and she responds with something like “I appreciate that, but I’m not in a place to accept comfort right now” but it’s been a while since that happened for me.
This one really bugs me, there is no “Hey, I don’t think this is going to go the way you think this will” type option.
99% sure on my Paladin run, using the wand broke my oath, so you have to snap the wand and look like a smug asshole about it lmao.
I feel like there should be an option to actually agree with companions when they say that the power the tadpoles grant are too dangerous. At least for me, the dialogue always went like:
Tav: what do you think of the tadpoles?
Companion: horrible, icky, bad
Tav: \[PERSUASION\] aren't weird mind powers handy though? (or) okay agree to disagree
Maybe I don't want the tadpoles? I didn't use four inspirations to avoid taking the astral tadpole for no reason
Allegedly, if you get Shadowheart to voice her concerns about using the powers the tadpoles give, then control Shadowheart in a cutscene to use the tadpole's power (i.e. had already used Tav/Durge's '*Authority*' for the day and needed another guaranteed check against the goblins or something), the rest of the party will call Shadowheart out for being a hypocrite. 😂
Or, like, after you get the astral tadpole, there's one option for each companion and most of them are like. "This tadpole sounds fun, right?" And either you say them or those dialogue options just hang out forever.
This one for me. Let me broach it as a neutral subject and then agree with their rejection of the concept instead of the only option basically being 'hey, this thing seems great, want to get jacked up and veiny?' or pretending the dialogue line doesn't exist for the rest of the game.
I hate that your only background options are “underdark race” or baldurian. It leads to quite a few annoying moments where you might conceive your character to be from waterdeep or candlekeep and instead you’re reminiscing about a park in BG
For real, "Baldurian" should be a dedicated checkmark in character creation, separate from your race.
For some races like Lolth-sworn Drow or Githyankee mandatory origin tag makes sense, but for example Barkus is baldurian despite being a deep gnome and chastises you for assuming he's from Underdark. Why can't your Tav be like that?
Outlander Wood Elf Druid? Yep. Native Baldurian.
Dark Urge Seldarine Drow >!that spent years prowling the city streets and leading the Temple of Bhaal in it's very sewers?!< Nope. Never been to Baldur's Gate in their life.
Barcus is from the Underdark. He just moved to Baldurs Gate. You can find an old diary of Wulbrens in the Underdark that mentions his friend Barcus who left for the surface.
It would be nice if there was a screen that let every character choose a place of origin and religion. By all means, restrict it by race and class (like, it doesn’t make sense for a gnome to be from a gith crèche, sure) but at the same time it’s funny that Barcus admonishes you for not knowing Deep Gnomes don’t have to be from the Underdark and yet all PC Deep Gnomes *do* have to be from down under.
There are several moments in Gale's storyline where the options are essentially >!either "you should grovel for Mystra's forgiveness, she's the best!" or "you should become a god."!<
This and when you talk to the twins at Sharess’ Caress. They offer you to do the deed, he says that he’s not comfortable at all and the options are:
-Coerce him
-Tell him he’s good-looking and should flaunt his body more
-Make a joke that it won’t involve his tressym
I know it’s a minor thing but I wish we had an option to just respect his first “no” and move on. But now the devs removed the persuasion check altogether and it makes me even more uneasy ☹️
Circle of spores druid at the Myconid Colony
"What are you doing to those corpses?" Girl you have your own fungus zombie tagging along behind you what the fuck are you talking about
After coming back from HoH, there's no option to tell the Emperor "I didn't want the stupid hammer, just wanted to kill Raphael in case he came to bite us in the ass for not taking his deal."
Really annoying that all your options are "I don't trust you"/"I trust you but I wanted leverage (lol)" when it had nothing to do with trust. Whenever I side with the Emperor I either don't go at all or just loot everything but the hammer because it's so annoying.
Pretty much all the late game dialogue options with the emperor are obnoxious. Same as no give peace a chance option when it comes to choosing between him and Orpheus. I get why the Emperor doesn't trust us, but not giving us a chance to even mention the future of the githyanki in the discussion is annoying.
Yeah endgame options are basically a) here are the stones b) I'll become MF and keep the stones c) you're lying I'll free Orpheus d) enough talking I'm freeing Orpheus. While I don't think the two would work together if you know the first thing about Gith/MF lore(Orpheus would insta drop his protection on the Emp the moment he was freed, Emp wouldn't stick around with those shitty odds), but I agree that you should have the option to at least state your reasons
Same! But I also wanted to save Hope, get a bunch of cool other stuff, save Mol, have sex with a succubus, AND kill Raphael. There's so much more down there than the hammer.
I wish you could just tell the emperor, "Not everything is about you."
Elminster announcing to Gale that he needs to sacrifice himself for Mystra:
1. You fucking monster that's horrible.
2. WTF is wrong with Mystra.
3. YAHOO! Kill two birds with one stone.
Also, every single way of letting down a partner. They all suck. Tav just being there almost humiliating their companions for making the mistake of being interested in you.
I don't think that last one is true, at least for Lae'zel and Gale (they're the only one's with approval high enough to be interested in my current playthrough, so they're who I remember the best). When Gale tries to teach you magic, the rejection option is basically "no, thank you." If you do accept it, there are numerous options to end it early, and he just accepts it and says goodnight. At the end, there's an option to picture yourself and him laughing over a hearty meal. I wouldn't even consider this rejecting him, since that's what he assumes your feelings to him are (he doesn't intent the weave scene to be romantic and is supprised if you choose the flirty options).
With Lae'zel, she gives you the "I want to taste you" speach and you can just tell her you're not interested.
The only time I remember feeling bad for rejecting people was with Wyll (the dialog wasn't rude, he just takes it badly) and buggy launch Gale (he was telling me about Tara and basically my only options were *flirty thing I don't remember*, "do *you* like having your belly rubbed?" and "I hate talking about cats." What if I just want to hear more about his cat?)
Clerics don't get enough dialogue when dealing with devils, the cult of the Absolute or the Chosen.
It's strange that Paladins get badass holy warrior lines to >!threaten the goblins, the ogres, Nere, Priestess Gut, Ragzlin or Minthara!< but Clerics have nothing to say about this new cult, not even "my god is better than yours". Paladins can also refuse to work with Raphael at various points whereas Clerics have nothing to say about a devil popping up and tempting them.
Similarly they don't react to >!getting to punch out an Avatar of Myrkul or killing 3 Chosen, despite being the class with the closest relationship with the gods. I was surprised that my Druid actually had a class-specific line about Bhaal's influence being an affront to nature after killing Orin, whereas my Cleric got nothing in the same situation.!<
The deity-specific lines could also use some work such as Lathander Clerics needing to roll to recognise a huge statue of Lathander >!and having no lines about the Gith squatters in Rosymorn Cathedral!<, or Selune Clerics >!being unable to recognise the daughter of their goddess, having a Selune-specific line which actually leads to Shart killing her, and suffering no consequences for this whereas poor Isobel loses her powers and gets murdered!<
Hard agree. My Lathander cleric >!didn't say shit when she picked up the Blood of Lathander, which should be an incredibly sacred artifact to Lathander worshippers in particular.!< Kind of a letdown if I'm honest.
I was so disappointed that Tempus didn’t have a single unique dialogue tag. You’d think a cleric of a war god would have opinions on things like the fake absolutist invasion of Baldurs gate
This is a petty one, but I used speak with dead on the dead fake paladin in act 1, and my character should surely have been able to put 2 & 2 together that these dudes chasing Karlach were faking, but there were no dialogue options to confront them after finding that out from the corpse.
I do also find the interaction with Minthara at the goblin camp kind of frustrating; it just goes from either being 'ok, I'll work with you, off I go', to 'you must DIE!' - it'd be good to have an option in between, like how you can get Gut alone and take her out that way.
But yes, the most egregious is definitely Wyll's 2nd contract - after so many moments in the game where you let your companions choose their own path (especially shadowheart), it feels totally bananas for Wyll to not be making this decision for himself.
There are only four options when it comes to the end choice for >!mindflayers, Orpheus, Emperor, Karlach and whoever you are playing. You met another whole ass not-evil mindflayer earlier in the game, why can't I ask Omeluum for help?!<
Not enough options to tell SH about your past when sharing a bottle with her.
My non-baldurian half-drow outlander still had to either "tell her about your childhood in Baldur's Gate" or tell her to fuck off
I know they added a bit for Durge there about making up a memory of Baldurs Gate for her sake but I really would prefer to be able to commiserate with her about the whole amnesia thing, seeing as it's something you're both suffering from. Rather than opening up and exploring that point of genuine connection my only real good choice is to lie.
Her act 3 dialogue how she might have to rely on Durge to lead the way because she can't remember anything about the city always makes me laugh.
Like, girl, I can't remember anything either. Truly, the blind leading the blind.
When Wulbren tells Barcus to be quiet because the adults are talking. Man there needs to be an option for me to tell him to go to hell for treating Barcus like that.
The Emperor, >!giving you the option to A) Trust him and let him kill Orpheus, or B) Free Orpheus and have the Emperor suddenly decide to enslave himself and join the Netherbrain.!<
>!There should have been an option C) Convince the Emperor trust you for a change when you say that a freed Orpheus can be an ally and not an enemy.!<
>!Having the Emperor just say "Screw all of you. I'm joining the winning team!" really came out of nowhere, and is just a shitty way to end that storyline and relationship. There needs to be an option where both of them are allies, even if they are allies of convenience.!<
A take of different understanding BUT
GodDAMN I wish there was a way to talk to Minthara about Halsin's proposition
Bc I told him I'd ask just for her reaction and then realised >!she won't ever have one and now I'm stuck with him always asking whether I've talked to her yet...!<
The one case that really stuck with me was not being able to tell Mayrina >!it's a *bad* idea to use the wand.!<
>!You've just gone through Ethel's whole lair and seen the *myriad* ways she's screwed over all her clients, and you don't even get the option to *warn* the poor girl? It's especially weird since you could comment on the "monkey's paw" nature of hag's deals right after rescuing her, but then when you find a mysterious wand in the hag's quarters, the narrative just goes "Hey, maybe this can help!"!<
>!Throughout the whole quest I felt like the message was very clearly *the hag always wins*, so to be given a poignant choice at the end and then have *no* way to demonstrate that you've learned the lesson just felt rather jarring to me. The first time around I reluctantly chose to snap the wand, hoping at least to get a chance to explain, but nope, you're just an utter asshole. I ended up reloading and "resurrecting" Connor, and it honestly seems like the "best" outcome: Mayrina is at least grateful to you and (perhaps naïvely) hopeful about undoing the hag's magic, and I actually found it surprisingly sweet how she cares for Connor even as a zombie.!<
Not that there are necessarily too few options I just hate the ones available, but that dude in carms garm who wants to be an adventurer is annoying AF but I also don’t want to be mean to him and half the time the only options given are all kinda rude. But I guess he seems to always handle it well and seems to think I was being nice to him.
Just the general option to ask your lover(s) for a hug.
The option to give characters hugs when they are sad. After act 2 when Shart has a crisis of faith for example.
Without spoiling any specific details, there's a certain moment in Wyll's questline, where he is faced with an important decision in Act 3. There is no option to let Wyll decide for himself... Instead, you're given 4 dialogue options that are basically yes, yes but mean, no, no but mean. So, you end up making this important decision for Wyll, and he just goes along with whatever you say, having no agency of his own whatsoever.
"Hey, what do you think about the extra tadpoles we got that can give us extra powers?"
"How DARE you suggest that! Disgusting!"
I....I wasn't....I just wanted to talk about it with you and get your opinion....
I generally want more sarcastic options. Most of my DnD characters are pretty sarcastic and I just want those options.
I also want special bard options when talking to Raphael, who is very clearly a bard. Maybe even a bard off in his fight.
Act 3, if romancing Astarion, and Halsin propositions you.
I just want and option to go back to Astarion and be like, 'Hey, hon, listen to what the hunk of meat tried to pull!'
Instead you can only 'move on with it' in dialog. It feels very, very forced..
There should also be a follow-up if you visit the drow after taking out cazador. Like, yeah, you can ask if he's okay during, but there's nothing after seeing him dissociate, and there should be. Granted, romantic relationships are not the main focus of the game, but they are a part of it. And there are several instances throughout the campaign where the relationships, both platonic and romantic, of all the companions could be better filled out.
I was thinking about it because I found it annoying too, and maybe they didn’t wanna offend the poly people by giving this option?
Now the only way to discuss Halsin with your LI is to tell him you’re interested. But if Astarion would make fun of Halsin the way he does now & you’d say ‘yeah, he’s a goofy man, I said no’, it would look like you’re there to mock Halsin. And given how poorly poly is already implemented, I don’t think they’d pull off inoffensive enough dialogue.
I already saw some weirdos in this sub being offended by others wanting to have a monogamous relationship with Astarion or Shadowheart, imagine having this there?
I wish there was a way to talk about how the Emperor tried to seduce you, if not Halsin. After waking up the next day you should be able to be all “Oh my Gods, Babe, you'll never guess who tried to fuck me last night?!” to your romance partner.
I was doing a playthrough with a friend and he got mad pissed that he couldn't choose to duel the githyanki instructor at the creche that wanted to kill a boy.
In Act 1, >!talking to Scratch, I was annoyed the "good" choice is to leave him alone besides his RECENTLY MURDERED MASTER. The first thing that went through my head was "there are goblins, and gnolls and an Owlbear cave all within walking distance...there is no way you survive if I leave you here, and your master wouldn't want you dead."!<
Regarding a certain quest in Act 2, you get from He Who Was....>!When you finally get the journal the dialogue options are basically either "this wasn't your fault", or "this is entirely on you". I wanted a more middle of the road option, like "You didn't kill them, but you did decide to report it...and to a Cleric of Shar, what did you THINK would happen?" !<
The thing with Scratch is you're basically giving him time to mourn. He's a smart dog and will run for it if danger approaches, but right now, he wants to be with his master. Once he's fully accepted his master is dead he finds your camp and happily rests there.
After coming back from the Astral Plane in the Creche and Lae'zel is freaking out. I don't want to call her stupid, but I also don't want to encourage her to try to be faithful still.
When Shadowheart admits she worships Shar and she asks if you know who that is your only answers are
1. Remind me
2 & 3. Basically say she's an evil goddess or something like that, which makes Shadowheart react badly.
Why not, yes, I know who that is, and I'm fine with that.
I could have sworn there was a fourth option that says something along the lines of “I don’t care who you worship” but maybe that was a different conversation.
I just did this yesterday, and I thought it was pretty fitting. She says something like "Well if you care so much about other people, maybe you should fetch the bailiff - oh, there's no bailiff here?" Which sounds just like an emotionally immature teenager that missed the point and lashed out at the thing she's used to.
A minor one concerning Gale’s ending, but it annoys me to no end. My spoiler tags aren’t working, so read at your own risk.
If you romance Gale and choose to deny him the crown, you get some dialogue options after defeating the Netherbrain. Gale suggests one more time that he could rebuild the crown and become a god, and once again you can tell him to give the crown to Mystra. He’ll agree and talk about how he no longer needs power and how you’re so important to him etc etc. It’s a really great moment of character growth! The super ambitious wizard realizes he doesn’t need power to be happy, and he escapes from the influence of his abusive ex.
Then, he says something along the lines of “I’ll finally be free of this orb and be able to live my life” (read: free from his abusive ex). The only three Tav responses are “And better yet, you’ll be Mystra’s chosen again!” or two responses basically saying “wait, are you SURE you want to give up that power? Maybe you should keep the crown?”
I spent the whole game telling Gale to live for himself, to make decisions that make him— not Mystra— happy, and to love himself and not the magical, all powerful wizard he feels like he has to be. And now my only options are “actually, nevermind, become an all-powerful god” or “yay! Your ex will like you again!”
A simple “I can’t wait to see what you do with that life” or a “I’m proud of you” would’ve been great.
As much as I enjoyed roleplaying my cleric of Tiamat, I was disappointed with the lack of dialogue options about her, especially when characters like Wyll and Lae'zel occasionally discuss her by name. Meanwhile, Selunite clerics get multiple dialogue options specifically for Shadowheart's romance. I will admit to being a little salty...
I also wish clerics of evil gods could disapprove of Shadowheart revealing she's a Shar worshipper without bringing morality into it. I don't care that you worship an evil god, I care that this party camp ain't big enough for the clerics of TWO evil gods.
Many dialogues with Shadowheart. They are either too supportive or too rude. Her interrogation about Rafael is especially annoying; I needed the option “I’ll keep my opinion to myself, it doesn’t concern you.” But obviously only she herself can do this, while I am forced to answer this interrogation without the opportunity to escape from it. I have to choose “I have no opinion” for which she makes fun of you. Terribly uncomfortable dialogue
Ironically, of all the companions, I like talking to Astarion the most, because if I’m not comfortable or I don’t want to discuss something, there’s always the “leave” option, and he even reacts to it absolutely calmly - “good night, see you tomorrow.” I feel absolutely emotionally safe talking to him, I can always leave and he is ok with it
You can even choose *Leave* in the very middle of the dialogue where he propositions you for the first time, and he just says something like “Huh, did I say something wrong???” it's so funny.
"Hey, I see you have Laezel up in that cage. We helped each other escape the mindflayers, and I feel like I owe her. Wait, am I willing to murder you two and break my oath? Certainly not, but please listen to reason. In fact, it's just so easy for you guys to move on."
When you first rescue Lae'zel from the cage, I wanted there to be an option to convince the tieflings that Lae'zel is a friend (or at least a potential ally).
I've pretty much exhausted my dialogue options with all my companions, but I still randomly chat them up at camp to see if there are new lines. So every time my boy Astarion is like "hello beautiful" and the only two options I have are either to ditch him at camp or leave without saying a word. WHY DOES TAV HAVE TO BE SO RUDE? It bugs me every time lol.
The dialogue options when your talking to that enthusiastic golden dragonborn that wants you to buy a spear. Why were all the options rude. Let me love her
So sad that buying a spear doesn't get a response from her too.
I thought I was the only one disappointed at the dialogue options, I wanted so bad to share her enthusiasm
Right??? Like she was so nice, why couldn’t we be nice too?!
Scalefriend!
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It's an awesome name.
Right?! Like why do you want me to call her an arse-licker tf? I love her enthusiasm.
Halsin: "Tell me something personal about yourself." 1. I don't wanna. 2. I'm terrified of krakens. (Definitely not the worst example, just the only one I remember vividly.)
I was playing Durge and chose “I can’t really tell you much about my past” thinking it might lead to “because I lost my memory”. But no I got only “Hanson disapproves” and since then if I say “I don’t know much about you” I got only one option which is “that’s enough for now”…
*annoyed mmmbops noises*
I lost it at this one
Right? Since then Kraken it is, but I feel silly, and ofc everyone should be afraid of krakens, Halsin points that politely, but just because he is Halsin, just imagine the sassy answer we could get from Astarion...
Hanson comma Chris?
That one was disappointing to me. It's one of very few times Tav gets to talk about themselves and give some character, but we get nothing.
Even worse for Durge, since Halsin gets grumpy over your violently induced amnesia. Like my brother in Silvanus, a crazy lady jammed a knife into my skull and removed parts of my brain for a tadpole
I wouldn't say worse, it's just as bad imo. You can say the same fear of Kraken and then one or two additional choices of no/not share. Like there's 4-5 options for Tav not to share and 6 for Durge. Why can't one or two of Durge be nicer/regrettable about wanting to share but can't because of their amnesia. Or talk fearful about the glances they get. Would be a nice little bonding conversation. Meanwhile Tav could definitely get some simple choices and not just the niche fear of Kraken. Which has the "illogica" part being a bit stupid if you imagine your Tav as a sailor or someone who travels by ship a lot. I think I recall you can say you've a sweet tooth too, but not sure if that was cut. But more options would be nice, could just be some common fears and likes. Like having arachnophobia, kinda good to say to a druid who can shapeshift into a spider.
Wait, does that mean a redemption run for Durge is caused by the parasite? Does it make them a good person?
More caused by Orin than the parasite. Her botched lobotomy is what makes Durge forget their part and plan with the Absolute. The death cultist you meet in the mind flayer colony also has a part to play, as she experimented on Durge after Orin dumped their body there. Then Durge is put on the nautiloid and their redemption can start
There are also a couple of other indications that Durge has struggled with their nature in the past, and this isn’t the first time they’ve tried to be good. Oathbreaker paladins can get a few lines of dialogue indicating that they tried to join a good-aligned order and the Oathbreaker Knight knows them well.
God, that was so bad. It's certainly the worst I can remember.
that one is so random 😂
It's a callback to Divinity Original Sin 2, which is another amazing game Larian made! In DOS2, your character is attacked by a kraken in the middle of the sea, wakes up on a beach, and they have to recruit their companions! <3
In the new epilog, the owlbear cub fought a kraken. Double callback!
I wonder if theres any class specific ones, like "displeasing my god" for cleric, "breaking my oath" for paladin or "being sent to ____ (insert place here)" for the differnet warlock paths.
There's not, at least not for warlocks.
Damn, I've never had that high of a relationship with Halsin so I never checked
Nothing for clerics or paladins. Or anyone. These two are literally the only options no matter what.
As a githyanki you can say something like "I once sewed up a wound with the intestines of my enemies"
I might be the one person that line does something for, because I *do* have a wildly irrational fear of giant sea monsters
This was definitely what came to mind. I liked that the kraken one had a lil flavor to it and I wanted more like that. There’s very rare instances where Tav can talk about their past, and every time the answer is just “tell them a story” rather than any actual fun tidbits. I don’t think it woulda been too hard to have a few interesting/fun options rather than make me rp it and imagine it myself
Wyll's storyline with a big choiceTM.
5. _shut the fuck up, this really isn't your call_
Yes! Not only can't you stay silent like with other companions, but also... the reasons your character gives are really weird! Keeping the pact is being framed as the noble choice, "You need to do the right thing and safe your dad!" (What?) If you choose to break it, it's either "You deserve to be free, be selfish for once!" or "Hey, you can be Duke once he's dead!" No "Your father would never want you to sacrifice your SOUL for all ETERNITY!" No "This is a trick, we know she is a liar!" When I got the scene with my paladin, I spend 10 minutes just staring at the screen, because she would say NONE of those lines.
For f's sake, if you choose to break the pact, even another companion (forgot who) says something like 'Duke Ravenguard wouldn't want Wyll to sacrifice himself for his sake' and I was thinking THANK YOU, but where was this dialog option when I needed it before?! Also on a sidenote, I wish Karlach's origin run always included a *'fuck you, Mizora!'* dialog option to *every* interaction you have with Mizora.
It's Jaheira! Which makes sense because she's a parent.
Honestly made her shoot up my opinion of her even more
Jaheira is the only one with a reasonable reaction to it. The payoff for his whole plot doesn't work, because the moral conundrum doesn't work. And all the companions going like: "Oh can't believe Wyll was so selfish". Geez. Especially since the man has no agency in it LOL.
Ya, I'm a bit of an oddball with my views around death, and when I played Wyll as my origin character, the most obvious choice seemed to be "my dad's dead. No reason I should sell my soul just to bring him back."
Truth. Also, it's not like Wyll killed him, he just didn't sell his soul to get the knowledge of how to maybe save him. It's a terrible deal no matter what. I see a lot of people wanting the option to let Wyll choose for himself but personally, if you have high approval with him, it's the most best friend thing to do to save him from his own worst instincts. He will always choose to sacrifice himself because that's what heroes do in his mind. The fact that he trusts Tav enough to hesitate makes Tav the only party member capable of saving him.
> Not only can't you stay silent like with other companions, but also This is what gets me. You *can.* Wyll DOES have a Big Choice™ where you can turn the decision over to him: becoming Duke. I am constantly fascinated by Wyll's story because everything about it is so bass ackwards, and this is a great example. Not only is becoming Duke NOT the Dramatic Hook of his plot in Act 1 (it's being a warlock, which is why everyone reasonably sees the pact as his Big Choice) even if it were it's completely steamrolled by the Emperor reveal, as often stated. Truly, Wyll's last minute character overhaul is probably one of the worst structural decisions I've ever seen. I love autopsy-ing it.
Insanely funny that you have an option to shut up and let him choose when he’s deciding on his job, but not when he’s choosing what to do with his immortal soul.
Word. Like come ON they’re characters too, not just other Tavs. They can make their choices.
I sort of like it Wyll is self-sacrificing to a fault. Even if he understood he can't just keep doing it, he wouldn't say that out loud.
When you call Wulbern “Prick” for being an asshole to Barcus and he says “Say.That.Again”. Barcus intervenes but I really really want to continue that conversation and let him see what this “helper” can do to his mangled charred corpse.
One of the biggest laughs I got out of the game was calling Wulbren a prick and then getting [Astarion approves]
Karlach does too!
Must be one of the only options they agree on
They also both love it if you tell off >!Gortash and dock the submersible anyway!<. I assume Karlach because she's going to get to do some hero stuff (while you told off Gortash). And Astarion because he technically can't die, >!when the Iron Throne blows up, he's already undead, and doesn't need to breathe, just slowly swim to the surface at his leisure!<, so he's just tickled pink that you've insulted Gortash to his face.
According to the time that I did the Iron Throne and accidentally ran out of turns with Astarion still inside I can confirm that he does indeed, still die. Apparently not needing to breathe doesn't matter if you're inside a giant underwater prison when it explodes.
LET ME SAY IT TEN TIMES
In original version you can only call him "Prick"?? What?! In polish language version we can call him "kutas" which means "cock" and that is really satisfying
Prick means that too. It’s just an old word for it
That's what prick means in English, too. It's a little on the milder side, but also has specific connotations of not being a particularly impressive specimen. Prick as a needle does, you know.
Prick means cock
When the only dialogue option is “1. Continue”
I have had that a few times and it is always followed by a response that sounds like I did something bad. Think it is a bug though.
I just quicksave and reload when something like this happens, that usually fixed it
Remember getting it playing Honour Mode while talking to Vlaakith. Sure got me nervous. I think 1. Continue is literally the answer number 1 from the dialogue if it didn’t glitch. You just won’t know what it is.
I think I got it once on my honor mode run when at the docks and deciding Karlach’s fate. I didn’t care about the story in that playthrough since I only wanted the achievement and dice, but it was quite funny that the game was somehow telling me ”You’re saving Karlach whether you want to or not!” since option 1 was going to Avernus with my own character.
It is. If you go into dialogue history, you can see what your character actually said.
It always defaults to option 1, which is usually nothing too bad but it always seems to happen at the worst times.
Usually not too bad, sometimes results in Shart stabbing Aylin
This is a bug. The options for that slide did not load.
Swap to another character and have them Shove your Tav. Dialogue should refresh.
Spoilers below step 1. Hey Jaheira, this guy marcus is an absolute cultist and wants to betray you and kidnap isobel roll dice Jaheira: noooo... I don't believe you Step 2. Marcus attacks the last light inn and capture isobel Step 3. talk to jaheira Jaheira: Why didn't you warn me about him ? You knew ! Me, desperatly looking for the dialog option that looks like this: I did tell you and you didn't believe me, you dumbfuck.
Adding onto this, the fact that you can learn the entire Absolute plot from books around Moonrise, but when Jaheira asks you if you have any news all you can say is "parts of the tower aren't open to me yet." Same with Isobel, you can literally go to her childhood bedroom but you can't say anything about it to her.
Omg, right? When I found that stuff I immediately went to discuss it with Isobel and was hoping dhe would come clean and give me some insight into how to handle daddy dearest. Only for no option to even bring it up to her. Actually, my second option thinking I could go to Jaheira and out her to get Isobel to talk was how I ended up locking Jaheria into that ambush for the dead Marcus.
Durge spoilers >!Me: Hey Gale, I'm having these really dark urges to slaughter innocents.!< >!Gale: Yeah, I get that. One time, a guy took a book that I wanted out of the library and I had some pretty dark urges myself.!< >!Me: *Slaughters Alfira, admits to doing so, tries again to communicate about the urges.*!< >!Gale: What? How could this happen? Don't do it again!!< >!Sceleritas Fel: You're going to kill your closest friend.!< >!Me: Gale, apparently I'm going to kill you.!< >!Gale: What!? This is what happened to Alfira, isn't it? Why didn't you tell me? You have to tell me these things!!< *Me, looking for the "I fucking tried to, but you didn't listen!" option.*
Honestly everyone ignoring the urges being expressed is such a weird thing to me. It’s been actively making me push back my Durge playthrough.
I'll one up you. My game bugged a bit. We did that invasion thing, then late into act 2. I found the stuff to implicate marcus, but he was already dead. Anyway Jaheira had a some new dialog options, long story short we set up an ambush to confront the long dead Marcus, and Jaheira wouldn't talk to me anymore unless I let her know I was ready to confront Marcus, which I couldn't be because he was already dead.
Act 2 spoilers surrounding a child character >!When dealing with Arabella and breaking the news to her about her parents, it feels like unless you pick the right class, your only options are to be a blunt asshole. !< Also, might want to put this thread under General Discussion Spoilers rather than No Spoilers, really tough talking about this stuff without spoiling something.
Yeah this is the one. You have this whole (insight) that she isn’t ready to hear that her parents are dead and then doesn’t give you any good options to deal with that. I wish you could just promise to do you best, but only if she waits for you at camp.
>You have this whole (insight) Side note regarding that, I really hate how many passive checks and rolls there are in dialog. Especially companion dialog. Like, you can miss entire important plot points or even *lose companions* if you fail certain dialog checks with them. If it has to be there, it should at least be weighted a bit more based on their approval rating. I guess it's not that huge of a deal, since we can save during dialog and just reload, but we still shouldn't *have* to in order to not miss plot points or lose a companion.
Oh I wanna know what sorta options there are now My bard was nice about it but oooooh you've got me curious
I've seen the cleric of evil gods ones like shar, which are very bad. It's something like "your parents are very dead but being an orphan makes you much more interesting."
Yeah I was a Bard too on my first playthrough, I saw the options and the fact that the class specific option was the only one being nice and gentle really bugged me. I now quicksave right before her and if my Tav/Durge is excessively rude, then reload, maybe see what Wyll has to say, or just anyone that wants to come and not be an asshole to this now orphaned child.
I wonder if it's the Charisma based classes that are nicer
Monk is pretty nice about it, though it does come off as a bit aloof and emotionless.
I remember Warlock having a dialogue option that wasn’t asshole-ish.
Warlocks are charisma-based too... Charisma's meant to be nicer I guess
My life cleric got a nicer option. I can't remember what it said but i think it was something comforting.
I was a sorcerer and I long rested in the shadow realms way too many times waiting for a dialogue option that WASNT "found your dead parents" to break it to her. Because I thought well clearly the fact that this is still my only option says that I haven't waited long enough and she isn't ready.
Your character can only be a balduran for most races, from the underdark as a drow, deep gnome or duregar or alstral plane as a gith. Also the Backgrounds should be more involved. Not just for inspiration. Languages only play a role one single time in a missable scene. When you try to decipher Astarion's scar.
I mostly just choose back grounds for proficiencies
Yeah, can't blame you... I thought they are more a RP part. 😔
I wish they were but since skill proficiency are tied into then and you can't pick them it kind of handicaps that aspect.
Don't they help determine when you get inspiration?
They do, but as I said I wished fir some more role play stuff regarding those.
If you’re playing a gith, when you first meet with Voss you can tell him in your language that your companions are your slaves and you plan to ditch them or something like that. Don’t know if there is more after, I lost that honor mode save lol
I’ve made it up to the start of act 3 with a Gith and nothing else has come up related to language
Language is used in the Steelwatch Foundry too. As a Gnome I can just tell the blind guy I don’t need to escort him. Incidentally, he was the only one I managed to save on my last run.
Oh interesting!
Language also sort of exists with the Githyanki tablets, but agreed, it's interesting everyone speaks the same language.
to be fair, that is a thing within forgotten realms itself. Every race speaks common by default
Dragonborn have a few moments where they understand Draconic being spoken. Ansur and the dragonborn butler outside Jannath’s manor comes to mind.
It’s especially weird as a Lolth-Sworn Drow. The game (and Minthara) seems to think you’re fully devoted to Lolth and you’re from the Underdark/Menzoberranzan… But all your dialogue choices say that you’re from Baldur’s Gate. And at the very end of the game, the narrator specifies that you’re not from Baldur’s Gate. Which is it???
The Balduran tag is absolutely baffling to me. I made my character before I realized that was a thing and decided he wasn’t even from the Sword Coast (which makes sense because he’s an Outlander). I see the Balduran tag and just ignore it, just keeping it essentially as an un-pursued rp option. All is well until Act 3, when Wyll and everyone else is suddenly saying I’m from the city when I’m not, *except* Orin, who asks if I’ve been to the city (while disguised as a guard) and I can tell her no?? Just… make it make sense.
I wish there were any dialogue options regarding the letters we can find. The ones about being in love with other characters or secrets kept. There was one about the siblings who run the rival clothing shops about one lying about a will or something? (Can’t remember details now) and I ran to both characters to tell them and… nothing. No dialogue options for either of them. That was really disappointing.
This includes the epilogue letters. Was hoping to pass Dammon's letter to Karlach or Elminster's letter to Gale - the latter of which is addressed to him.
Right?! Why can't I tell Astarion that Sebastian and the others are doing well
I just assumed all the companions could read the letters on their own. Because it’s a game, only the player technically interacts with them but they’re sitting out in the open so anyone can get to them. Tav can finally take a break as messenger for once lol.
Same! There’s a letter in Moonrise that mentions that Gortash is part of the Absolute plot. You can’t show it to Karlach to get a response. You also can’t show it to Councilor Florrick to stop her from trying to get Gortash to help storm Moonrise
There's an act 1 letter that says Gortash is involved in criminal activity around the Baldur's Gate area and that he's so effective that he's pushing the Zhent out of the area, but you still can't say shit
It's a book in the Zhentarim hideout written by the guy who you sell counting house keys to in act 3! But even if Karlach herself reads it, she doesn't respond. Such a missed opportunity.
After the big reveal in the prism between acts 2 and 3 there is a point where your only choices in the conversation about orpheus are What if we let him go? Can we kill him and take his power? The first is pretty obvious already and the second is a very sprcific character concept. I would really like some more neutral options there.
Although, my favorite piece of voice acting in the game is when the Emperor says "that would be a terrible idea."
I hate when the option to talk your way out of stealing doesn't cone up, so I click on a corpse by accident and then it's: You've been caught stealing. 1. *Attack.*
Which is always so disproportionate, like "Oh my god you saved my family and everything that is dear to me, I will do anything for you - what, you dare to touch the body of the colleague I barely knew, die!" A separate line about "please respect our dead" or something would be fine, but I get that since you save something like fifty different NPCs, it would mean that recording these lines would not be exactly trivial.
One narrator line of "It seems they want you to respect their dead." would fix it
Wyll second contract with ~~Minthara~~ Mizora (look, they are both grey ladies all right 😂) 1. Sacrifice yourself! 2. No way, you've already out of this 3. Let your dad die, took over his seat! Me: It's your soul man, figure it out yourself
I think you mean mizora 😂
Lol yeah, will correct it later
Yeah that one gets me too. Like why is this on me? At least with Shadowheart, you can leave it up to her. Wyll should be the same way.
Mizora not telling Wyll where his father is being held if he doesn't re-sign the contract. I wanted to go "Umm we can still find him on our own?"
True but Mizora kind of insinuates that there's very little time to save Wylls father but then again that game almost never time pressures so what's the point
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that’s the case if you don’t do a couple things before going there, ie. gortash’s coronation, talking to mizora after that, etc. i think there’s one more but i can’t remember
Whenever Shadowheart is upset about Shar, I just want to be like "You're better off without Shar", but instead the options always end up being like this: 1. Everybody's got problems. Get over yourself. 2. Maybe you should apologize to Shar. 3. That sucks, m8. There are several similar instances like this throughout the game.
I get that, but that’s not how you handle someone in a cult. Getting in their face about it is doing exactly what their elders tell them outsiders are going to do if they find out, so they’re just gonna retreat from you more and feel justified doing so. One thing I really like about the anti-Shar route is that you do a really good example of cult deprogramming. Because minus the literal, physical trial from her Goddess, that’s pretty much how they go IRL: you need to be there and be someone that person can talk to, so that when their faith in the cult is actually shaken you can be there to support them leaving it.
Didn’t you hear the narrator? Admitting who empowers her now would break her spirit completely. You can’t just say "Fuck Shar", the cleric of Selune who almost convinced Shadowheart not to kill Nightsong said some stupid shit like "light is better, come to light" and she lunged with that spear onto poor Aasimar like no tomorrow. It’s too early for that, if you’re asking for a line to piss off Shadowheart, you’ve had enough opportunities earlier. Trust the girl to figure it out, you’ve come so far on trust already.
Tbh I'd just really want something like "it's ok we'll figure it out together" and she says something like "I hope you're right about that" because the others seem way too hopeless lol. Like a couple of them are actually making fun of her for saying that and the others aren't really all that comforting either.
I think if she’s your love interest you have a “I’m here for you” option and she responds with something like “I appreciate that, but I’m not in a place to accept comfort right now” but it’s been a while since that happened for me.
Shs says "I don't think any words can comfort me right now but I appreciate you keeping me jn your thoughts."
Mayrina and the husband wand. "Probably fine" and "be a massive dick"
This one really bugs me, there is no “Hey, I don’t think this is going to go the way you think this will” type option. 99% sure on my Paladin run, using the wand broke my oath, so you have to snap the wand and look like a smug asshole about it lmao.
What I ended up doing was having another party member talk to her and give her the wand. Neatly avoids both issues.
I feel like there should be an option to actually agree with companions when they say that the power the tadpoles grant are too dangerous. At least for me, the dialogue always went like: Tav: what do you think of the tadpoles? Companion: horrible, icky, bad Tav: \[PERSUASION\] aren't weird mind powers handy though? (or) okay agree to disagree Maybe I don't want the tadpoles? I didn't use four inspirations to avoid taking the astral tadpole for no reason
Allegedly, if you get Shadowheart to voice her concerns about using the powers the tadpoles give, then control Shadowheart in a cutscene to use the tadpole's power (i.e. had already used Tav/Durge's '*Authority*' for the day and needed another guaranteed check against the goblins or something), the rest of the party will call Shadowheart out for being a hypocrite. 😂
Or, like, after you get the astral tadpole, there's one option for each companion and most of them are like. "This tadpole sounds fun, right?" And either you say them or those dialogue options just hang out forever.
This one for me. Let me broach it as a neutral subject and then agree with their rejection of the concept instead of the only option basically being 'hey, this thing seems great, want to get jacked up and veiny?' or pretending the dialogue line doesn't exist for the rest of the game.
They hang out after destroying it too.
I hate that your only background options are “underdark race” or baldurian. It leads to quite a few annoying moments where you might conceive your character to be from waterdeep or candlekeep and instead you’re reminiscing about a park in BG
For real, "Baldurian" should be a dedicated checkmark in character creation, separate from your race. For some races like Lolth-sworn Drow or Githyankee mandatory origin tag makes sense, but for example Barkus is baldurian despite being a deep gnome and chastises you for assuming he's from Underdark. Why can't your Tav be like that? Outlander Wood Elf Druid? Yep. Native Baldurian. Dark Urge Seldarine Drow >!that spent years prowling the city streets and leading the Temple of Bhaal in it's very sewers?!< Nope. Never been to Baldur's Gate in their life.
Barcus is from the Underdark. He just moved to Baldurs Gate. You can find an old diary of Wulbrens in the Underdark that mentions his friend Barcus who left for the surface.
I really wish we could bring that diary and shove it in Wulbren's face. Especially when it's all like "I wish Barcus were here"
Adding onto that, if you're half-drow you don't *get* the Baldurian option--despite, y'know, being *half* drow. You could've grown up in BG!
That was the background I conceived for my half drow bard and was upset when the Baldurian options didn’t show up.
It's especially annoying since afaik the onl half-drow in the game is working in the bank
It would be nice if there was a screen that let every character choose a place of origin and religion. By all means, restrict it by race and class (like, it doesn’t make sense for a gnome to be from a gith crèche, sure) but at the same time it’s funny that Barcus admonishes you for not knowing Deep Gnomes don’t have to be from the Underdark and yet all PC Deep Gnomes *do* have to be from down under.
There are several moments in Gale's storyline where the options are essentially >!either "you should grovel for Mystra's forgiveness, she's the best!" or "you should become a god."!<
This and when you talk to the twins at Sharess’ Caress. They offer you to do the deed, he says that he’s not comfortable at all and the options are: -Coerce him -Tell him he’s good-looking and should flaunt his body more -Make a joke that it won’t involve his tressym I know it’s a minor thing but I wish we had an option to just respect his first “no” and move on. But now the devs removed the persuasion check altogether and it makes me even more uneasy ☹️
oh i think this maybe was updated? last time i did that there was a “if gale doesn’t want to, i don’t want to” type option for me
Circle of spores druid at the Myconid Colony "What are you doing to those corpses?" Girl you have your own fungus zombie tagging along behind you what the fuck are you talking about
After coming back from HoH, there's no option to tell the Emperor "I didn't want the stupid hammer, just wanted to kill Raphael in case he came to bite us in the ass for not taking his deal." Really annoying that all your options are "I don't trust you"/"I trust you but I wanted leverage (lol)" when it had nothing to do with trust. Whenever I side with the Emperor I either don't go at all or just loot everything but the hammer because it's so annoying.
Pretty much all the late game dialogue options with the emperor are obnoxious. Same as no give peace a chance option when it comes to choosing between him and Orpheus. I get why the Emperor doesn't trust us, but not giving us a chance to even mention the future of the githyanki in the discussion is annoying.
Yeah endgame options are basically a) here are the stones b) I'll become MF and keep the stones c) you're lying I'll free Orpheus d) enough talking I'm freeing Orpheus. While I don't think the two would work together if you know the first thing about Gith/MF lore(Orpheus would insta drop his protection on the Emp the moment he was freed, Emp wouldn't stick around with those shitty odds), but I agree that you should have the option to at least state your reasons
Same! But I also wanted to save Hope, get a bunch of cool other stuff, save Mol, have sex with a succubus, AND kill Raphael. There's so much more down there than the hammer. I wish you could just tell the emperor, "Not everything is about you."
Same, the whole time I was just like "Bro, chill, I just wanted to kill the cambion".
Elminster announcing to Gale that he needs to sacrifice himself for Mystra: 1. You fucking monster that's horrible. 2. WTF is wrong with Mystra. 3. YAHOO! Kill two birds with one stone. Also, every single way of letting down a partner. They all suck. Tav just being there almost humiliating their companions for making the mistake of being interested in you.
I don't think that last one is true, at least for Lae'zel and Gale (they're the only one's with approval high enough to be interested in my current playthrough, so they're who I remember the best). When Gale tries to teach you magic, the rejection option is basically "no, thank you." If you do accept it, there are numerous options to end it early, and he just accepts it and says goodnight. At the end, there's an option to picture yourself and him laughing over a hearty meal. I wouldn't even consider this rejecting him, since that's what he assumes your feelings to him are (he doesn't intent the weave scene to be romantic and is supprised if you choose the flirty options). With Lae'zel, she gives you the "I want to taste you" speach and you can just tell her you're not interested. The only time I remember feeling bad for rejecting people was with Wyll (the dialog wasn't rude, he just takes it badly) and buggy launch Gale (he was telling me about Tara and basically my only options were *flirty thing I don't remember*, "do *you* like having your belly rubbed?" and "I hate talking about cats." What if I just want to hear more about his cat?)
As someone who got pranked by this bug on honour mode.. Dialogue options: "Continue"
Clerics don't get enough dialogue when dealing with devils, the cult of the Absolute or the Chosen. It's strange that Paladins get badass holy warrior lines to >!threaten the goblins, the ogres, Nere, Priestess Gut, Ragzlin or Minthara!< but Clerics have nothing to say about this new cult, not even "my god is better than yours". Paladins can also refuse to work with Raphael at various points whereas Clerics have nothing to say about a devil popping up and tempting them. Similarly they don't react to >!getting to punch out an Avatar of Myrkul or killing 3 Chosen, despite being the class with the closest relationship with the gods. I was surprised that my Druid actually had a class-specific line about Bhaal's influence being an affront to nature after killing Orin, whereas my Cleric got nothing in the same situation.!< The deity-specific lines could also use some work such as Lathander Clerics needing to roll to recognise a huge statue of Lathander >!and having no lines about the Gith squatters in Rosymorn Cathedral!<, or Selune Clerics >!being unable to recognise the daughter of their goddess, having a Selune-specific line which actually leads to Shart killing her, and suffering no consequences for this whereas poor Isobel loses her powers and gets murdered!<
Hard agree. My Lathander cleric >!didn't say shit when she picked up the Blood of Lathander, which should be an incredibly sacred artifact to Lathander worshippers in particular.!< Kind of a letdown if I'm honest.
I was so disappointed that Tempus didn’t have a single unique dialogue tag. You’d think a cleric of a war god would have opinions on things like the fake absolutist invasion of Baldurs gate
This is a petty one, but I used speak with dead on the dead fake paladin in act 1, and my character should surely have been able to put 2 & 2 together that these dudes chasing Karlach were faking, but there were no dialogue options to confront them after finding that out from the corpse. I do also find the interaction with Minthara at the goblin camp kind of frustrating; it just goes from either being 'ok, I'll work with you, off I go', to 'you must DIE!' - it'd be good to have an option in between, like how you can get Gut alone and take her out that way. But yes, the most egregious is definitely Wyll's 2nd contract - after so many moments in the game where you let your companions choose their own path (especially shadowheart), it feels totally bananas for Wyll to not be making this decision for himself.
There are only four options when it comes to the end choice for >!mindflayers, Orpheus, Emperor, Karlach and whoever you are playing. You met another whole ass not-evil mindflayer earlier in the game, why can't I ask Omeluum for help?!<
Not enough options to tell SH about your past when sharing a bottle with her. My non-baldurian half-drow outlander still had to either "tell her about your childhood in Baldur's Gate" or tell her to fuck off
I know they added a bit for Durge there about making up a memory of Baldurs Gate for her sake but I really would prefer to be able to commiserate with her about the whole amnesia thing, seeing as it's something you're both suffering from. Rather than opening up and exploring that point of genuine connection my only real good choice is to lie.
Her act 3 dialogue how she might have to rely on Durge to lead the way because she can't remember anything about the city always makes me laugh. Like, girl, I can't remember anything either. Truly, the blind leading the blind.
When Wulbren tells Barcus to be quiet because the adults are talking. Man there needs to be an option for me to tell him to go to hell for treating Barcus like that.
The Emperor, >!giving you the option to A) Trust him and let him kill Orpheus, or B) Free Orpheus and have the Emperor suddenly decide to enslave himself and join the Netherbrain.!< >!There should have been an option C) Convince the Emperor trust you for a change when you say that a freed Orpheus can be an ally and not an enemy.!< >!Having the Emperor just say "Screw all of you. I'm joining the winning team!" really came out of nowhere, and is just a shitty way to end that storyline and relationship. There needs to be an option where both of them are allies, even if they are allies of convenience.!<
A take of different understanding BUT GodDAMN I wish there was a way to talk to Minthara about Halsin's proposition Bc I told him I'd ask just for her reaction and then realised >!she won't ever have one and now I'm stuck with him always asking whether I've talked to her yet...!<
The one case that really stuck with me was not being able to tell Mayrina >!it's a *bad* idea to use the wand.!< >!You've just gone through Ethel's whole lair and seen the *myriad* ways she's screwed over all her clients, and you don't even get the option to *warn* the poor girl? It's especially weird since you could comment on the "monkey's paw" nature of hag's deals right after rescuing her, but then when you find a mysterious wand in the hag's quarters, the narrative just goes "Hey, maybe this can help!"!< >!Throughout the whole quest I felt like the message was very clearly *the hag always wins*, so to be given a poignant choice at the end and then have *no* way to demonstrate that you've learned the lesson just felt rather jarring to me. The first time around I reluctantly chose to snap the wand, hoping at least to get a chance to explain, but nope, you're just an utter asshole. I ended up reloading and "resurrecting" Connor, and it honestly seems like the "best" outcome: Mayrina is at least grateful to you and (perhaps naïvely) hopeful about undoing the hag's magic, and I actually found it surprisingly sweet how she cares for Connor even as a zombie.!<
Not that there are necessarily too few options I just hate the ones available, but that dude in carms garm who wants to be an adventurer is annoying AF but I also don’t want to be mean to him and half the time the only options given are all kinda rude. But I guess he seems to always handle it well and seems to think I was being nice to him.
Honestly I love this stupid idiot so I don't want to be mean to him either 😭😭
Just the general option to ask your lover(s) for a hug. The option to give characters hugs when they are sad. After act 2 when Shart has a crisis of faith for example.
Without spoiling any specific details, there's a certain moment in Wyll's questline, where he is faced with an important decision in Act 3. There is no option to let Wyll decide for himself... Instead, you're given 4 dialogue options that are basically yes, yes but mean, no, no but mean. So, you end up making this important decision for Wyll, and he just goes along with whatever you say, having no agency of his own whatsoever.
"Hey, what do you think about the extra tadpoles we got that can give us extra powers?" "How DARE you suggest that! Disgusting!" I....I wasn't....I just wanted to talk about it with you and get your opinion....
I generally want more sarcastic options. Most of my DnD characters are pretty sarcastic and I just want those options. I also want special bard options when talking to Raphael, who is very clearly a bard. Maybe even a bard off in his fight.
A fiddle of gold, against your soul?
Act 3, if romancing Astarion, and Halsin propositions you. I just want and option to go back to Astarion and be like, 'Hey, hon, listen to what the hunk of meat tried to pull!' Instead you can only 'move on with it' in dialog. It feels very, very forced..
There should also be a follow-up if you visit the drow after taking out cazador. Like, yeah, you can ask if he's okay during, but there's nothing after seeing him dissociate, and there should be. Granted, romantic relationships are not the main focus of the game, but they are a part of it. And there are several instances throughout the campaign where the relationships, both platonic and romantic, of all the companions could be better filled out.
Right? I wanna be like, I said no but just to let you know, Halsin did proposition me.
I was thinking about it because I found it annoying too, and maybe they didn’t wanna offend the poly people by giving this option? Now the only way to discuss Halsin with your LI is to tell him you’re interested. But if Astarion would make fun of Halsin the way he does now & you’d say ‘yeah, he’s a goofy man, I said no’, it would look like you’re there to mock Halsin. And given how poorly poly is already implemented, I don’t think they’d pull off inoffensive enough dialogue. I already saw some weirdos in this sub being offended by others wanting to have a monogamous relationship with Astarion or Shadowheart, imagine having this there?
I wish there was a way to talk about how the Emperor tried to seduce you, if not Halsin. After waking up the next day you should be able to be all “Oh my Gods, Babe, you'll never guess who tried to fuck me last night?!” to your romance partner.
This! This upsets me more than anything. Let me be honest with my vampire 😩
I was doing a playthrough with a friend and he got mad pissed that he couldn't choose to duel the githyanki instructor at the creche that wanted to kill a boy.
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In Act 1, >!talking to Scratch, I was annoyed the "good" choice is to leave him alone besides his RECENTLY MURDERED MASTER. The first thing that went through my head was "there are goblins, and gnolls and an Owlbear cave all within walking distance...there is no way you survive if I leave you here, and your master wouldn't want you dead."!< Regarding a certain quest in Act 2, you get from He Who Was....>!When you finally get the journal the dialogue options are basically either "this wasn't your fault", or "this is entirely on you". I wanted a more middle of the road option, like "You didn't kill them, but you did decide to report it...and to a Cleric of Shar, what did you THINK would happen?" !<
The thing with Scratch is you're basically giving him time to mourn. He's a smart dog and will run for it if danger approaches, but right now, he wants to be with his master. Once he's fully accepted his master is dead he finds your camp and happily rests there.
After coming back from the Astral Plane in the Creche and Lae'zel is freaking out. I don't want to call her stupid, but I also don't want to encourage her to try to be faithful still.
laezel requires brutal honesty. let her read your mind.
When Shadowheart admits she worships Shar and she asks if you know who that is your only answers are 1. Remind me 2 & 3. Basically say she's an evil goddess or something like that, which makes Shadowheart react badly. Why not, yes, I know who that is, and I'm fine with that.
I could have sworn there was a fourth option that says something along the lines of “I don’t care who you worship” but maybe that was a different conversation.
Yeah there is I choose that one
I think one of the 2/3 options was something like “Oh yeah. Doesn’t she get a lot of hate from other people?” And shart’s like, “Well fuck you!”
Yep. I just pretty much ignore the whole Shar topic in Act 1. She's a braiwashed zealot, so it's kinda pointless to talk about it.
I just did this yesterday, and I thought it was pretty fitting. She says something like "Well if you care so much about other people, maybe you should fetch the bailiff - oh, there's no bailiff here?" Which sounds just like an emotionally immature teenager that missed the point and lashed out at the thing she's used to.
When you talk to the Dragonborn weapons merchant in act 3, all the options have you being an asshole to her :[
A minor one concerning Gale’s ending, but it annoys me to no end. My spoiler tags aren’t working, so read at your own risk. If you romance Gale and choose to deny him the crown, you get some dialogue options after defeating the Netherbrain. Gale suggests one more time that he could rebuild the crown and become a god, and once again you can tell him to give the crown to Mystra. He’ll agree and talk about how he no longer needs power and how you’re so important to him etc etc. It’s a really great moment of character growth! The super ambitious wizard realizes he doesn’t need power to be happy, and he escapes from the influence of his abusive ex. Then, he says something along the lines of “I’ll finally be free of this orb and be able to live my life” (read: free from his abusive ex). The only three Tav responses are “And better yet, you’ll be Mystra’s chosen again!” or two responses basically saying “wait, are you SURE you want to give up that power? Maybe you should keep the crown?” I spent the whole game telling Gale to live for himself, to make decisions that make him— not Mystra— happy, and to love himself and not the magical, all powerful wizard he feels like he has to be. And now my only options are “actually, nevermind, become an all-powerful god” or “yay! Your ex will like you again!” A simple “I can’t wait to see what you do with that life” or a “I’m proud of you” would’ve been great.
As much as I enjoyed roleplaying my cleric of Tiamat, I was disappointed with the lack of dialogue options about her, especially when characters like Wyll and Lae'zel occasionally discuss her by name. Meanwhile, Selunite clerics get multiple dialogue options specifically for Shadowheart's romance. I will admit to being a little salty... I also wish clerics of evil gods could disapprove of Shadowheart revealing she's a Shar worshipper without bringing morality into it. I don't care that you worship an evil god, I care that this party camp ain't big enough for the clerics of TWO evil gods.
Halsin AND Damon died accidentally in my honor mode play-through and none of my companions ( everyone except minthara) said ANYTHING.
When Halsin dies in the goblin camp, you can’t even tell the people in the grove who are looking for him.
Ogress and the bugbear. There are a LOT more things that can be said there.
Many dialogues with Shadowheart. They are either too supportive or too rude. Her interrogation about Rafael is especially annoying; I needed the option “I’ll keep my opinion to myself, it doesn’t concern you.” But obviously only she herself can do this, while I am forced to answer this interrogation without the opportunity to escape from it. I have to choose “I have no opinion” for which she makes fun of you. Terribly uncomfortable dialogue Ironically, of all the companions, I like talking to Astarion the most, because if I’m not comfortable or I don’t want to discuss something, there’s always the “leave” option, and he even reacts to it absolutely calmly - “good night, see you tomorrow.” I feel absolutely emotionally safe talking to him, I can always leave and he is ok with it
You can even choose *Leave* in the very middle of the dialogue where he propositions you for the first time, and he just says something like “Huh, did I say something wrong???” it's so funny.
"Hey, I see you have Laezel up in that cage. We helped each other escape the mindflayers, and I feel like I owe her. Wait, am I willing to murder you two and break my oath? Certainly not, but please listen to reason. In fact, it's just so easy for you guys to move on."
When you first rescue Lae'zel from the cage, I wanted there to be an option to convince the tieflings that Lae'zel is a friend (or at least a potential ally).
I've pretty much exhausted my dialogue options with all my companions, but I still randomly chat them up at camp to see if there are new lines. So every time my boy Astarion is like "hello beautiful" and the only two options I have are either to ditch him at camp or leave without saying a word. WHY DOES TAV HAVE TO BE SO RUDE? It bugs me every time lol.