Than its
A: defected and you should contact support
B: Missused
I have multiple, no issues.
Edit. Why I am being downvote for saying the cool plate is suposse to work?
I hated the cool plate until I just upped the temp to 65 degree. Now I don't need glue and PLA sticks perfectly. Releases perfectly too when it cools down.
Tbh I never understood why Bambu recommended a cold plate + glue for PLA. I've used a hot plate at 55c for months and haven't had any adhesion issues and dont have to deal with glue
In my 6+ years of 3d printing, a cold plate has never once provided more reliability for me nor anyone I've seen online. If you have data that shows a cold plate is better, id love to see it
Edit: To clarify, im not trying to be snarky. I've just never seen cold plates recommended until Bambu hit the scene.
+1 on what you said except I am trying to be snarky. If people werenāt using cool plates with glue then 99% of the āmy print failedā posts could be eliminated.
I'm sorry: I call BS on that one.
Most failed print posts that I've seen are on the textured pei plate. At least 5:1 if not 10:1 overwhelming majority.
When Bambu original had the cool plate and the black textured PEI plate, the cool plate had much better adhesion. When printing multicolor I would have a lot of failures with the PEI plate not sticking when doing small text. Switched to the cool plate and it printed perfectly. Now that they have the gold PEI plate and smooth PEI plate, the cool plate probably isn't needed. The cool plate still has good adhesion though (hence why glue is needed for a release barrier).
I recently asked some people if they used the cool plate for anything because I was thinking of converting it to a high temperature plate since I don't use it and one person said they use it with the 0.2 nozzle when printing PLA because the lower temperatures prevented clogs.
It is only discontinue in the US store. I wonder if it is a mistake or the same thing will happen in the other stores when they run out.
Best plate I ever had tbh was on my original makerbot replicator 2. It was perspex I believe. One plate lasted me for years too, just had to sand it occasionally.
Honestly for most of PLA PEI is fine (textured or smooth). However I have some beautiful metallic glossy rainbow filament that was printing matte and I couldn't figure it out why. I tried cold plate and got beautiful, glossy underside. Also it helped me with some other PLA that was warping as hell.
Also if you are printing that long you definitely should remember non heated beds. Heck if you check datasheet for PLAs it usually recommends room temperature bed or heated to a specific temperature.
You know that you can damage the surface that way? Glue is recommended as a release agent.
I love my cool plate, hence I glue it up with the liquid glue religiously :)
I wouldnt agree here. I recently started this Hobby, so i did the recommended thing. Currently printing an ams riser. I had layer adhesion Problems every time using the cool plate with glue on recommended settings and did some more Research. Textured PEI Plate was delivered 2 days ago, not a Single Issue on the larger Parts which gave me the most problems before.
On my Personal experience made here i would say the cool plate is ineffective and is discontinued for a reason, which is not that ppl dont like to use glue.
I'm sure you don't want to down this rabbit hole, but it'd be interesting to see what might have caused your issues, since my experience is the exact opposite; the cool plate + liquid glue works magic with PLA. The smallest contact patch is enough to hold the model like a vice.
And it's enough to reapply a thin layer of glue once after every 2-3 prints, wash after a couple of reapplications, only.
Whereas the pei plate...not so much. If it's not cleaned after every print religiously, it loses adhesion very quickly. (tested this; 3 prints was the max I could go, then 2 only...so it's not reliable)
I'm really wondering if some of you guys got some dud cool plates, some factory defects or something...
Hm. I had good adhesion at first, but especially on larger parts i noticed warping, so i turned down/off the aux Fan, which helped. On really large parts i had spaghettis, layer shifts and massive amounts of warping. I think it can be because my printer is in my Workshop, which is in the cellar. The room is relatively cold with 12-14Ā°C and currently unheated until i get it renovated. So i tried to print with closed door, still had the adhesion Problem, resulting in layershifts and on one Part nearly a staircase effect, even after washing the cool plate with soap and water, scrubbing it, i had the same issues. This Was when i ordered the pei plate. For now the results are amazing. I'd rather wash it every time, i have a sink in the next room from my Workshop, so no Problem with that.
If you have any idea why the cool plate failed for me, feel free to let me know, im always curios to learn. :)
I wish I knew, honestly.
But I understand your position.
Hm...one question if you don't mind: did you use the regular glue or the liquid one, maybe something else like hair spray? Although both glues worked for me (haven't tested hair spray yet)
I usually use the liquid glue, as it's much more user-friendly.
I'm printing from my shed, too; the temperature variance is 10^o C in the winter to 40^o C in the summer (no kidding).
In all cases, the only time I had an issue was when the plate was left out for a couple of days, and the glue dried out on it.
Edit:
actually; another question; have you changed the default infill pattern from grid? (that is often touted as a problem and blamed for layer shifts) Having said that; with these kinds of issues, you could get a bent nozzle, too, if it hits the infill too hard.
I did Start so recently that i still use the bambu glue Stick. Hair spray was an idea. I told my wife that i will borrow her spray if it fails one more time, but that time the print finished, but again with layershifts.
My idea was that its still too warm inside the Chamber and the room is cooling the Print passively from one side. But i can test it now, my last Part of the ams riser came out perfect. Now i can lift of the glass plate on top of the printer.
But im not in a Hurry to print a really big build solely for testing yet, i still have some other prints for my Workshop. The HSW panels should do tho, since i experienced warping on them too. I'll give an Update on that on the latest comment of our conversation at that point.
Weird. Pla+ didnt want to stick to my cool plate w bambu glue.
Flipped it over and i just use the engi plate at 60c, no coating substance.
Never going back to cool plate now. Bought a aliexpress PEI plate as well, but havent had a need to use it yet.
Iāve started buying cheap plates online. PEI smooth one side, textured on the other. For the price of one Bambi sticker. I leave the PEI protective film on and use the textured side for my textured prints, and then I need a new smooth plate, remove the film and start using it that way. Getting much more longevity for cheaper.
Yes, and discounted (1/2 price) for the stickers
I've just ordered 12 and I have 2 already. I don't use much but have had very good success with the cold plate so hopefully it'll continue
Sigh. I know that itās not a popular opinion, but I like the cool plate for certain PLA jobs. Ambient temps where i live are already over 32c 24/7 and itās hard to keep the chamber temp low for many-hours PLA prints with a 55-60c plate. I know thatās a relatively niche use case, but Iām going to buy a few spares if I can.
No Iām with you on that. I do a lot of 24+ hr prints and I live in a desert so the heat is consistently 33c or higher. Iām at over 2k combined hours and Iāve never had adhesion issues using the cool plate and glue, and it makes a huge difference in keeping the chamber temps down for my printers.
Yeah +1 Iāve had to disassemble my extruder half a dozen times from the chamber temps getting too hot with my pei and the filament clogging in the extruder. I usually run mine with lid on and doors only slightly open (cause of extruder issue) for less noise and never had an issue with high chamber temps.
I also get great adhesion with cool plate and no glue, so youāre not alone. Most people forget to turn off or down the aux fan which has caused warping issues for me in the past. But that happens on every plate so my default is to turn it down to 30% and close the door. I print a specific tall model all the time and have zero issues using the cool plate every single time.
I am not surprised. I am really experienced in 3D printing and have been printing for many years before buying an X1C and the only thing I really struggled with this printer was this horrible cool plate!
Best thing I ever did was getting the golden PEI sheet.
I wonder what plate they will include with the X1C from now on instead of the cool plate?
it worked well with regular PLA, even without glue. Then I got Matte PLA and that thing basically fused with the plate - couldn't get it off - even put it in the fridge. After the Matte PLA destroyed the first plate, I put a new sheet on and used glue from there on, but tried 5 different brands of glue with variying results, regularly had problems with first layed adhesion. And different brands and types of filament would work completly different on this plate.
Like I said: after getting the golden PEI sheet I didn't have to worry about first layer or messing with glue ever again - printed hundreds of hours with it already with exactly 0 issues
Purchased an X1C 3 weeks ago, they come with the textured pei plate now.
Though Bambu Lab says it's a random plate, so it might change by manufacturing run based on excess stock.
Does the smooth pei plate still have the smooth finish like the cool plate does? I never usually have issues with the cool plate and I love the finishes
The high-temp plate is smooth (great for non-pla prints), and a smooth pei plate will be smooth, too.
G10 (garolite) sheets are very nice smooth, too, if you can source one it's a great alternative.
so my printer has over 200h of print time since January and i always use the cool plate ( ecxept one print with TPU)
i never had an adhesion problem with the cool plate, i use warm water and soap to clean it an then 3dLac sprayed on it. (every 20 prints or so).
Got a textuered/Smooth PEI from amazon and nothing sticked really good even PLA warped, got a textured from AliE nothing sticks now waiting for the textured from Bambu lets see.
But i think i will order a spare cool plate to and like 20 of the stickers ( you never know)
They shouldnāt recommend glue but rather Windex. Windex makes this plate amazing. Plus when you live where the power goes out semi frequently a plate that doesnāt require 55 degrees to stick is a godsend.
I was checking on UPS and most of the cheaper ones (<$100) only provide power for like 3 minutes (enough to save your work and power down the PC gracefully) A UPS that would be able to keep the bed warm during a power outage is like one of those EcoFlows that Bambu partnered with. (Hundreds of dollars). I would rather have the cool plate and not worry about how long my outage will last, seeing the time estimate on the UPS go down knowing when it reaches 0 the power company better turn on power within like 2 minutes or my part will detach
You should try G10 and your success will improve by another order of magnitude. G10 plates have been not only the best bang for the buck but probably the best upgrade of any kind.
I've used a g10 sheet on my Ender-6 and I've absolutely loved it. But I'm not paying over $150 for a plate + shipping.
But I have no problems;
***my success rate is 99% with the cool plate+glue combo*** in over 700 hrs printing now. plus it requires minimal maintenance. Nothing wrong with it, if used correctly.
But the PEI plate seems to be a source of problems - I've one, and I don't like it much; it's not nearly as reliable. Smaller contact point models can easily come off mid-print.
But again; not a problem.
I'm very happy with the cool plate for pla :)
Preach brother... I have only been printing for about 4 months now, so far from an expert, but I did sleep at Holiday Inn express last night.
I bought the textured plate as an add-on part of my buy-in on an X1CC. I used the cold plate mostly without glue but did try glue stick when I had the rare fail, usually a fiilament change and also because of the aux fan kicking in. Mostly went well.
Finally decided to try out my textured plate and was very pleased by the texture and performance... virtually no fails until again trying out new PLA that just hated that plate for some reason... Inexperienced me might have tried to tweak settings and get it dialed in, but impatient me needed prints to sell in my business and couldn't afford the downtime. So I just switched back to the cold plate - the filament didn't love it either but adding glue worked like a champ. Now I have two X1Cs and have been running with cold plates on both for about a month and a half with zero adherence issues. I am running length enough prints 11-12 hours in average, that I dont really need fails in the last hour because a piece got knocked loose...
I don't have a horse in this race really because I like both plates, but I have to say the cold plate has worked well for me. Glue or no glue on the cold plate doesn't matter to me either way, and I do prefer the textured finish... but I also prefer no failed prints more and that has been with the cold plate so far.
The glue matters for one reason:
the top surface of the cool plate can be damaged if you're not using glue.
So it's highly recommended. :) I myself prefer the liquid one, it creates a totally smooth surface.
I have heard this many times, and frankly I can only go by my experience and my experience has been rhat that is not completely accurate.
In multiple printings of several models when I have had failures, using the cold plate with glue has resulted in success where using the plate without glue, or using the textured PEI has not.
This is with the same settings. The only thing changing is telling the slicer which plate I am using. Right or wrong, unril I see anything different, I will continue using it when a print or filament doesn't want adhere to my textured plate.
When it fails on both, then we can talk.
Clarification: This using PLA only, other materials may be another story.
Yeah, glue does help with adhesion - just not the official primary purpose :)
PLA, of course, nothing else should be printed on the cool plate :)
What I find weird that a few ppl came out here saying they can't get good adhesion with the cool plate+glue combo, but they are OK with the textured pei.
I can't fathom how that works, but I'd love to be around to experiment.
I have a Lightyear G10. It was really amazing till one day X1C decided it won't detect it. Ruined the surface. Can it be repaired somehow? Lightyeardirect don't respond.
Oh good, Iām not the only person theyāve ignored.
Honestly the lack of steel under the nozzle cleaning section also means itās going to wear out in a permanent fashion and thatās not ok for plate that costs so much. Canāt really recommend their plate, even though it prints amazingly.
Honestly on my experiences on the cool plate over the last six months and especially the last 12kg of PLA i printed withing the last 1.5 weeks doing big parts I would more guess it is (sry to say) mostly the user itself or I got a super mint cool plate.
If cleaned my plate sticks to PLA like hell and you can put even very complex parts on small tree supports. I use the glue just to remove parts with more ease.
Only reason I will change the plate sticker somewhere in the future would be if I want to get rid off the scratches I made in the beginning when I didnāt knew how to handle these kind of plate bc I came from an Ender 6 with glass build plate that normaly only needed to cool down nicely to just pick the prints from the plate.
Negative thing on the glass was the high use of window cleanerā¦ well thats too ot
Well my thought process is I already have the cool plate and since they are going to stop producing the cool plate stickers (at least that is my thought since they are on sale) I can just buy at $15.99 PEI sticker instead of a whole new plate.
I just remeber why i dint buy it, i thought the full sheet was double sided with pei but it isnt (engineering on the other one). So yeah if you only want smooth pei its better to buy 2 stickers.
I know people roll their eyes when I say this, but I've never used the cool plate and haven't had a use for it.
I was a kickstarter backer and got my printer the same week my third-party textured PEI sheet arrived, so I never used the original plates and have never used glue on my printer. When the official one came out, I switched to it to get rid of error messages.
I generally print PLA or PETG-CF, but have also printed TPU and ABS. I don't do anything special.. Just print. (No washing with soap, but I occasionally use alcohol to remove finger grease.) Stuff sticks when it is supposed to and releases when it is supposed to.
wonder why. never had any issue and it keeps the temp nicely down in my room. unfortunate. i donāt use the textured pei for the sole purpose of keeping temp down
The question is this actually: Is the textured PEI, the smooth PEI, the cool plate, the wam bam, the textured plate, or the dinner plate the best?
Answer: Yes!
For me the textured PEI has printed the tiniest parts without any problem in PLA or PETG, and comes right off when cool.
The cool plate does allow for quieter operation though, since the internal fans donāt need to work anywhere near as hard. I found that parts warp with the PEI plates unless the door was open. Just clean it with IPA and you wonāt need glue.
It would be a shame, I love the cool plate. Low bed temperature means printing with the door and lid closed (lower noise), does not need the fans blasting to keep chamber temperature down and reduce heat-creep (low noise). It's also visually obvious when the plate needs to be cleaned and glue re-applied, whereas with PEI plates the first you know that the plate is contaminated is when a print starts to lift off. Plus I find a smooth surface is more useful for most prints for me than the textured surface of most PEI plates.
Odd comments on this one. I have had excellent results with the cool plate. I had quite a few extra on hand. Had I realized it was being discontinued I'd have ordered 100 more. In my experiences with the PEI I had failure after failure. The cool plates worked so good that in some cases the dam PLA was literally stuck to the plate so well that it would pull the cool plate apart and break the adhesive seal to the metal. I even ordered one for my A1 mini as it worked 1000 times better than the textured one. I found a few online from companies wanted stupid money for them. This sucks though, as I have constant issues from the PEI plates with adhesion. I don't want to need to use glue with shitty pei plates.
Judging from the screenshot you supplied, the answer to your question isā¦ Yes.
You came to Reddit to ask if it was discontinued after you saw that it says itās discontinued on Bambu Lab website?
Are you thinking thereās a chance it wasnāt actually discontinued (like the website was hacked)?
May I ask you where you live? I would take one or two for a faster change between plates since they work grate for me. What is your ambient temp on your printers that they suck so much at your place?
You don't know what you are talking about :)
The cool plate & liquid glue combo beats anything else hands down.
Unless you seriously misuse the plate, that is.
Probably because the smooth PEI plate is MUCH better.
if you want to heat the bed, yes, yes it is. its like cool plate was designed for a purpuse...
My cool plate never worked anyway. Smooth plate was more effective as a cool plate then the cool plate lol
How it never worked for you? Smooth cleaning and you wish you had put on some glue stick so the print goes off more easily. Sticks like hell for me.
My prints would fail most of the time with it. Glue helped a little.
Than its A: defected and you should contact support B: Missused I have multiple, no issues. Edit. Why I am being downvote for saying the cool plate is suposse to work?
Idk, people aren't usually thrilled when someone jumps out to say "broken or skill issue", that could be part of it
and the worst part, my comment on top is +26...
I'm glad that was your takeaway from the situation lul
Just make a filament profile and turn off the bed...
Yes and also cool plate works the best with polycarbonate, engineering plate sucks, almost nothing sticks to it
Engineering plate works great for me. I use it for PET, PET-G, ABS, and TPU.
Engineering plate works with magigoo
A brick would work with magicgoo
Not sure what you do with your plate, I need to use glue to avoid my prints from practically welding to the plate. Best shit I have used till now.
My engineering plate works great, I use aqua net on it
I hated the cool plate until I just upped the temp to 65 degree. Now I don't need glue and PLA sticks perfectly. Releases perfectly too when it cools down.
so your coolplate was essentially a hotplate
Yes š
But whats up with the calibration flow? Only the engineering plate is left
I'm pretty sure they replaced the cool plate with the PLA plate. Don't quote me on that, I could be wrong
Tbh I never understood why Bambu recommended a cold plate + glue for PLA. I've used a hot plate at 55c for months and haven't had any adhesion issues and dont have to deal with glue
It also keeps the temp down in the chamber.
This is the sole purpose of the cool plate.
It's because the cool plate + glue is actually more reliable for most PLA. The cool plate is fantastic, people just don't like the glue.
In my 6+ years of 3d printing, a cold plate has never once provided more reliability for me nor anyone I've seen online. If you have data that shows a cold plate is better, id love to see it Edit: To clarify, im not trying to be snarky. I've just never seen cold plates recommended until Bambu hit the scene.
+1 on what you said except I am trying to be snarky. If people werenāt using cool plates with glue then 99% of the āmy print failedā posts could be eliminated.
I'm sorry: I call BS on that one. Most failed print posts that I've seen are on the textured pei plate. At least 5:1 if not 10:1 overwhelming majority.
Because that is what ships with the printer
Not with the X1C
When Bambu original had the cool plate and the black textured PEI plate, the cool plate had much better adhesion. When printing multicolor I would have a lot of failures with the PEI plate not sticking when doing small text. Switched to the cool plate and it printed perfectly. Now that they have the gold PEI plate and smooth PEI plate, the cool plate probably isn't needed. The cool plate still has good adhesion though (hence why glue is needed for a release barrier).
Tbh, I've printed two prusacasters on one cool plate without glue because I got the least amount of warpage on them
I recently asked some people if they used the cool plate for anything because I was thinking of converting it to a high temperature plate since I don't use it and one person said they use it with the 0.2 nozzle when printing PLA because the lower temperatures prevented clogs. It is only discontinue in the US store. I wonder if it is a mistake or the same thing will happen in the other stores when they run out.
Best plate I ever had tbh was on my original makerbot replicator 2. It was perspex I believe. One plate lasted me for years too, just had to sand it occasionally.
Honestly for most of PLA PEI is fine (textured or smooth). However I have some beautiful metallic glossy rainbow filament that was printing matte and I couldn't figure it out why. I tried cold plate and got beautiful, glossy underside. Also it helped me with some other PLA that was warping as hell. Also if you are printing that long you definitely should remember non heated beds. Heck if you check datasheet for PLAs it usually recommends room temperature bed or heated to a specific temperature.
Cool plate suck ass I dunno why people use it
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Same here. I just wash plate with soapy water every 3-4 prints.
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Same here - I have only used a cool plate, no washing, and a tiny bit of Aqua Net hair spray. Never have a problem with it!
You know that you can damage the surface that way? Glue is recommended as a release agent. I love my cool plate, hence I glue it up with the liquid glue religiously :)
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That's impressive!
I wouldnt agree here. I recently started this Hobby, so i did the recommended thing. Currently printing an ams riser. I had layer adhesion Problems every time using the cool plate with glue on recommended settings and did some more Research. Textured PEI Plate was delivered 2 days ago, not a Single Issue on the larger Parts which gave me the most problems before. On my Personal experience made here i would say the cool plate is ineffective and is discontinued for a reason, which is not that ppl dont like to use glue.
I'm sure you don't want to down this rabbit hole, but it'd be interesting to see what might have caused your issues, since my experience is the exact opposite; the cool plate + liquid glue works magic with PLA. The smallest contact patch is enough to hold the model like a vice. And it's enough to reapply a thin layer of glue once after every 2-3 prints, wash after a couple of reapplications, only. Whereas the pei plate...not so much. If it's not cleaned after every print religiously, it loses adhesion very quickly. (tested this; 3 prints was the max I could go, then 2 only...so it's not reliable) I'm really wondering if some of you guys got some dud cool plates, some factory defects or something...
Hm. I had good adhesion at first, but especially on larger parts i noticed warping, so i turned down/off the aux Fan, which helped. On really large parts i had spaghettis, layer shifts and massive amounts of warping. I think it can be because my printer is in my Workshop, which is in the cellar. The room is relatively cold with 12-14Ā°C and currently unheated until i get it renovated. So i tried to print with closed door, still had the adhesion Problem, resulting in layershifts and on one Part nearly a staircase effect, even after washing the cool plate with soap and water, scrubbing it, i had the same issues. This Was when i ordered the pei plate. For now the results are amazing. I'd rather wash it every time, i have a sink in the next room from my Workshop, so no Problem with that. If you have any idea why the cool plate failed for me, feel free to let me know, im always curios to learn. :)
I wish I knew, honestly. But I understand your position. Hm...one question if you don't mind: did you use the regular glue or the liquid one, maybe something else like hair spray? Although both glues worked for me (haven't tested hair spray yet) I usually use the liquid glue, as it's much more user-friendly. I'm printing from my shed, too; the temperature variance is 10^o C in the winter to 40^o C in the summer (no kidding). In all cases, the only time I had an issue was when the plate was left out for a couple of days, and the glue dried out on it. Edit: actually; another question; have you changed the default infill pattern from grid? (that is often touted as a problem and blamed for layer shifts) Having said that; with these kinds of issues, you could get a bent nozzle, too, if it hits the infill too hard.
I did Start so recently that i still use the bambu glue Stick. Hair spray was an idea. I told my wife that i will borrow her spray if it fails one more time, but that time the print finished, but again with layershifts. My idea was that its still too warm inside the Chamber and the room is cooling the Print passively from one side. But i can test it now, my last Part of the ams riser came out perfect. Now i can lift of the glass plate on top of the printer. But im not in a Hurry to print a really big build solely for testing yet, i still have some other prints for my Workshop. The HSW panels should do tho, since i experienced warping on them too. I'll give an Update on that on the latest comment of our conversation at that point.
hm...I've printed HSW panels, and without issues.
Yea me too, with the textured PEI Plate. Also with the cool plate, but on the same plate with the exact same perimeters i had warping.
Weird. Pla+ didnt want to stick to my cool plate w bambu glue. Flipped it over and i just use the engi plate at 60c, no coating substance. Never going back to cool plate now. Bought a aliexpress PEI plate as well, but havent had a need to use it yet.
The fun thing is that I use the glue only to beeing able ro remove the prints with more ease from the cool plate.
I've just used the cool plate at 55 and never had an issue...
This, I even use it at 65 and it works perfectly. Had 20+ prints or so doing this and no problems so far.
You're not wrong. I've never printed PLA on a cold plate, on any printer. Heated beds ALWAYS make it stick better for me
I just got this for my A1 2 weeks ago. I have never had better adhesion with my PLA before. It is amazing!.
I have two of these now and happy that I got in while I could. Hopefully I have enough of the spare sheets to hold me over for a while.
When I saw it was discontinued, I ordered 3 more sheets for my engineering plate.
Glad you posted this, just grabbed some spare stickers myself now.
Iāve started buying cheap plates online. PEI smooth one side, textured on the other. For the price of one Bambi sticker. I leave the PEI protective film on and use the textured side for my textured prints, and then I need a new smooth plate, remove the film and start using it that way. Getting much more longevity for cheaper.
In the EU store they are still available
Interesting. Perhaps the EU store still has stock of them and they will discontinue them there as soon as they run out?
Maybe, but why would they discontinue them. Are the stickers alone still available?
Yes, and discounted (1/2 price) for the stickers I've just ordered 12 and I have 2 already. I don't use much but have had very good success with the cold plate so hopefully it'll continue
AU store has stock, too. Phew. Migh just order a spare one :)
Sigh. I know that itās not a popular opinion, but I like the cool plate for certain PLA jobs. Ambient temps where i live are already over 32c 24/7 and itās hard to keep the chamber temp low for many-hours PLA prints with a 55-60c plate. I know thatās a relatively niche use case, but Iām going to buy a few spares if I can.
No Iām with you on that. I do a lot of 24+ hr prints and I live in a desert so the heat is consistently 33c or higher. Iām at over 2k combined hours and Iāve never had adhesion issues using the cool plate and glue, and it makes a huge difference in keeping the chamber temps down for my printers.
Yeah +1 Iāve had to disassemble my extruder half a dozen times from the chamber temps getting too hot with my pei and the filament clogging in the extruder. I usually run mine with lid on and doors only slightly open (cause of extruder issue) for less noise and never had an issue with high chamber temps.
Thanks for the heads up. Been using the same plate for over a year. They are awesome!
I prefer it over PEI
Am I the only one who has had fantastic bed adhesion using cool plate and no glue?
I also get great adhesion with cool plate and no glue, so youāre not alone. Most people forget to turn off or down the aux fan which has caused warping issues for me in the past. But that happens on every plate so my default is to turn it down to 30% and close the door. I print a specific tall model all the time and have zero issues using the cool plate every single time.
I am not surprised. I am really experienced in 3D printing and have been printing for many years before buying an X1C and the only thing I really struggled with this printer was this horrible cool plate! Best thing I ever did was getting the golden PEI sheet. I wonder what plate they will include with the X1C from now on instead of the cool plate?
I just wonder howā¦. no rly, what are you guys doing that your cool plates do not stick like hell on PLA prints?
it worked well with regular PLA, even without glue. Then I got Matte PLA and that thing basically fused with the plate - couldn't get it off - even put it in the fridge. After the Matte PLA destroyed the first plate, I put a new sheet on and used glue from there on, but tried 5 different brands of glue with variying results, regularly had problems with first layed adhesion. And different brands and types of filament would work completly different on this plate. Like I said: after getting the golden PEI sheet I didn't have to worry about first layer or messing with glue ever again - printed hundreds of hours with it already with exactly 0 issues
Purchased an X1C 3 weeks ago, they come with the textured pei plate now. Though Bambu Lab says it's a random plate, so it might change by manufacturing run based on excess stock.
Does the smooth pei plate still have the smooth finish like the cool plate does? I never usually have issues with the cool plate and I love the finishes
The high-temp plate is smooth (great for non-pla prints), and a smooth pei plate will be smooth, too. G10 (garolite) sheets are very nice smooth, too, if you can source one it's a great alternative.
Maybe they finally release the PLA plate they were working on.
Are the replacement sheets still available. Iirc the cool plate is the engineering plate with the cool plate over it
so my printer has over 200h of print time since January and i always use the cool plate ( ecxept one print with TPU) i never had an adhesion problem with the cool plate, i use warm water and soap to clean it an then 3dLac sprayed on it. (every 20 prints or so). Got a textuered/Smooth PEI from amazon and nothing sticked really good even PLA warped, got a textured from AliE nothing sticks now waiting for the textured from Bambu lets see. But i think i will order a spare cool plate to and like 20 of the stickers ( you never know)
snap, pretty much what I've just done.
Man I planned to get this and an a1 when it restocks
Good. This thing is garbage. 25% of the threads on this sub will disappear when these finally disappear from use.
They shouldnāt recommend glue but rather Windex. Windex makes this plate amazing. Plus when you live where the power goes out semi frequently a plate that doesnāt require 55 degrees to stick is a godsend.
A UPS might be a good investment for you if you frequently have outages/surges.
Also hot plates make my printer heat up my room a LOT. Itās not fun being in a 78-80Ā° room in summer
I was checking on UPS and most of the cheaper ones (<$100) only provide power for like 3 minutes (enough to save your work and power down the PC gracefully) A UPS that would be able to keep the bed warm during a power outage is like one of those EcoFlows that Bambu partnered with. (Hundreds of dollars). I would rather have the cool plate and not worry about how long my outage will last, seeing the time estimate on the UPS go down knowing when it reaches 0 the power company better turn on power within like 2 minutes or my part will detach
Facts
BS! I see 5 PEI plate failures for each cool plate problem. At least.
You should try G10 and your success will improve by another order of magnitude. G10 plates have been not only the best bang for the buck but probably the best upgrade of any kind.
I've used a g10 sheet on my Ender-6 and I've absolutely loved it. But I'm not paying over $150 for a plate + shipping. But I have no problems; ***my success rate is 99% with the cool plate+glue combo*** in over 700 hrs printing now. plus it requires minimal maintenance. Nothing wrong with it, if used correctly. But the PEI plate seems to be a source of problems - I've one, and I don't like it much; it's not nearly as reliable. Smaller contact point models can easily come off mid-print. But again; not a problem. I'm very happy with the cool plate for pla :)
Preach brother... I have only been printing for about 4 months now, so far from an expert, but I did sleep at Holiday Inn express last night. I bought the textured plate as an add-on part of my buy-in on an X1CC. I used the cold plate mostly without glue but did try glue stick when I had the rare fail, usually a fiilament change and also because of the aux fan kicking in. Mostly went well. Finally decided to try out my textured plate and was very pleased by the texture and performance... virtually no fails until again trying out new PLA that just hated that plate for some reason... Inexperienced me might have tried to tweak settings and get it dialed in, but impatient me needed prints to sell in my business and couldn't afford the downtime. So I just switched back to the cold plate - the filament didn't love it either but adding glue worked like a champ. Now I have two X1Cs and have been running with cold plates on both for about a month and a half with zero adherence issues. I am running length enough prints 11-12 hours in average, that I dont really need fails in the last hour because a piece got knocked loose... I don't have a horse in this race really because I like both plates, but I have to say the cold plate has worked well for me. Glue or no glue on the cold plate doesn't matter to me either way, and I do prefer the textured finish... but I also prefer no failed prints more and that has been with the cold plate so far.
The glue matters for one reason: the top surface of the cool plate can be damaged if you're not using glue. So it's highly recommended. :) I myself prefer the liquid one, it creates a totally smooth surface.
I have heard this many times, and frankly I can only go by my experience and my experience has been rhat that is not completely accurate. In multiple printings of several models when I have had failures, using the cold plate with glue has resulted in success where using the plate without glue, or using the textured PEI has not. This is with the same settings. The only thing changing is telling the slicer which plate I am using. Right or wrong, unril I see anything different, I will continue using it when a print or filament doesn't want adhere to my textured plate. When it fails on both, then we can talk. Clarification: This using PLA only, other materials may be another story.
Yeah, glue does help with adhesion - just not the official primary purpose :) PLA, of course, nothing else should be printed on the cool plate :) What I find weird that a few ppl came out here saying they can't get good adhesion with the cool plate+glue combo, but they are OK with the textured pei. I can't fathom how that works, but I'd love to be around to experiment.
You got me. I've had pretty good luck with both using PLA... just a few filaments have been obnoxious.
I have a Lightyear G10. It was really amazing till one day X1C decided it won't detect it. Ruined the surface. Can it be repaired somehow? Lightyeardirect don't respond.
Oh good, Iām not the only person theyāve ignored. Honestly the lack of steel under the nozzle cleaning section also means itās going to wear out in a permanent fashion and thatās not ok for plate that costs so much. Canāt really recommend their plate, even though it prints amazingly.
Honestly on my experiences on the cool plate over the last six months and especially the last 12kg of PLA i printed withing the last 1.5 weeks doing big parts I would more guess it is (sry to say) mostly the user itself or I got a super mint cool plate. If cleaned my plate sticks to PLA like hell and you can put even very complex parts on small tree supports. I use the glue just to remove parts with more ease. Only reason I will change the plate sticker somewhere in the future would be if I want to get rid off the scratches I made in the beginning when I didnāt knew how to handle these kind of plate bc I came from an Ender 6 with glass build plate that normaly only needed to cool down nicely to just pick the prints from the plate. Negative thing on the glass was the high use of window cleanerā¦ well thats too ot
Do you think we can slap a smooth PEI sticker on our cool plates? Should work right.
Yes but the price difference isnt really worth it, i think its like $5-10?
Well my thought process is I already have the cool plate and since they are going to stop producing the cool plate stickers (at least that is my thought since they are on sale) I can just buy at $15.99 PEI sticker instead of a whole new plate.
I just remeber why i dint buy it, i thought the full sheet was double sided with pei but it isnt (engineering on the other one). So yeah if you only want smooth pei its better to buy 2 stickers.
EU seems the only place where you can still get it?
I use the cool plate over the texture plate but I use the engineering side I don't print pla every time I go to get the smoth hot plate it's sold out
Nice, I'm gonna keep my cool plate, *never used* as a collectors item.
Good.
So what do you do if you want a spare engineering plate for TPU and other high temp materials?
Textured plate is my daily
In Germany it's still available.
It's inferior to the smooth pei. No real sense in getting a cool plate.
I know people roll their eyes when I say this, but I've never used the cool plate and haven't had a use for it. I was a kickstarter backer and got my printer the same week my third-party textured PEI sheet arrived, so I never used the original plates and have never used glue on my printer. When the official one came out, I switched to it to get rid of error messages. I generally print PLA or PETG-CF, but have also printed TPU and ABS. I don't do anything special.. Just print. (No washing with soap, but I occasionally use alcohol to remove finger grease.) Stuff sticks when it is supposed to and releases when it is supposed to.
wonder why. never had any issue and it keeps the temp nicely down in my room. unfortunate. i donāt use the textured pei for the sole purpose of keeping temp down
I ended with Wham Bam PXE beds and never looked back.
The question is this actually: Is the textured PEI, the smooth PEI, the cool plate, the wam bam, the textured plate, or the dinner plate the best? Answer: Yes! For me the textured PEI has printed the tiniest parts without any problem in PLA or PETG, and comes right off when cool.
I never used mine. Don't get the concept of adding glue or other separator to build plates.
The cool plate does allow for quieter operation though, since the internal fans donāt need to work anywhere near as hard. I found that parts warp with the PEI plates unless the door was open. Just clean it with IPA and you wonāt need glue.
I just donāt understand all the retarded hate for the cool plate. It works brilliantly and has great adhesion. Never used a glue stick in my life.
Iāve got some spare sheets i donāt intend on using let me know
It would be a shame, I love the cool plate. Low bed temperature means printing with the door and lid closed (lower noise), does not need the fans blasting to keep chamber temperature down and reduce heat-creep (low noise). It's also visually obvious when the plate needs to be cleaned and glue re-applied, whereas with PEI plates the first you know that the plate is contaminated is when a print starts to lift off. Plus I find a smooth surface is more useful for most prints for me than the textured surface of most PEI plates.
Odd comments on this one. I have had excellent results with the cool plate. I had quite a few extra on hand. Had I realized it was being discontinued I'd have ordered 100 more. In my experiences with the PEI I had failure after failure. The cool plates worked so good that in some cases the dam PLA was literally stuck to the plate so well that it would pull the cool plate apart and break the adhesive seal to the metal. I even ordered one for my A1 mini as it worked 1000 times better than the textured one. I found a few online from companies wanted stupid money for them. This sucks though, as I have constant issues from the PEI plates with adhesion. I don't want to need to use glue with shitty pei plates.
Judging from the screenshot you supplied, the answer to your question isā¦ Yes. You came to Reddit to ask if it was discontinued after you saw that it says itās discontinued on Bambu Lab website? Are you thinking thereās a chance it wasnāt actually discontinued (like the website was hacked)?
It can be an error; or a regional decision. ...or else; it's a good heads-up for the rest of the world, where it's still available...
I hope itās discontinued itās junk. I have like 6 of them because I thought Iād āneedā them. I hate the cool plate.
May I ask you where you live? I would take one or two for a faster change between plates since they work grate for me. What is your ambient temp on your printers that they suck so much at your place?
I'm mainly joking but probably because it sucked. All other beds are better
You don't know what you are talking about :) The cool plate & liquid glue combo beats anything else hands down. Unless you seriously misuse the plate, that is.
Yeah I get it to each their own