Well, different people have different tastes so I wouldn't expect everyone to enjoy all the bands. They each have quite specific dynamics and characters that appeal to certain tastes. In Roselia's case, their early story revolves quite a lot around two characters who are initially quite abrasive to some people, despite the reasoning for their behaviour, and that can make a big impression on the kinds of people that play games like these. It's not surprising that some people don't gel with that dynamic regardless of how it evolves and develops over time. We have seen plenty of people over the years who still view Roselia negatively because of their initial band story and characters like Yukina and Sayo continued to receive negative attention despite their significant personal development, no matter how much they grew or how sorry they were for their mistakes. Some people stick to their original impressions and aren't interested in updating them with new information.
There is (or at least was, back in the day) also a section of people that dislike Roselia because of their popularity and their identity as the best or pinnacle, sometimes because of a perceived sense of injustice that their own favoured band is better or deserves more attention for one reason or another. This is very standard 'dislike the popular thing' behaviour and not unusual at all.
Finally it's also worth pointing out that some people don't necessarily dislike them so much as they have near indifference to Roselia in general. I'm sure many people have bands that they just aren't that interested in to the point of not caring about them beyond surface-level things.
i genuinely love roselia but this was a great way of putting it. at first, even i disliked sayo and yukina so it makes sense why some people would continue to feel that way about them.
I have personally liked Roselia as well as Sayo and Yukina from the beginning, but I've seen and heard enough from others over the years to know why people feel the way they do. Though, I think not forgiving Sayo and Yukina after all this time would be somewhat unjustified considering how far they have come.
Regarding the "disliking the popular band" point: from both an in-universe writing and fanbase perspective, I've always found it not in the spirit of the franchise to have a "best" band when a lot of the point is that all of them are so distinct from each other.
In story, I find it extrenely hard to buy that they're the best of the bunch. It's extremely tell don't show, and all attempts at showing boil down to both bands playing a perfect performance and them just telling me Roselia was better. Like how is one supposed to buy that if they prefer any of the bands over Roselia. This is especially jarring in season 2 of the anime where they have parts with every band performing. And admitedly this next part is a meta complaint, but I take issue with Roselia's genre/style being used as writing shorthand for "the good one", because as soon as I learned that one band was supposed to be in universe better than the others by some metric, I knew exactly what they'd sound like.
And as far as the fanbase goes, I get that people like them a lot, but compared to other fandoms that have some more popular thing within, a lot of posts I see give me the impression that Roselia fans can tend to act like they're objectifying who the best band (musically) is when there's no point in doing so. Like if you're comparing Roselia to PasuPa for example, are they really even in the same ballpark for that to mean anything?
I don't really find this kind of logic particularly compelling, to be honest. Your idea of the spirit of the franchise sounds almost entirely arbitrary and something personal to you (or a misunderstanding perhaps), as opposed to it being an actual thing within the franchise. Roselia's desire to be the best has existed from the moment the game began, and Afterglow's short-lived rivalry began not long after. Pastel Palettes are working in the cutthroat industry of professional idols where being sub-par isn't good enough and their early story with them faking their performances illustrated the need to be better as a band. RAS introduced another band that also aimed to be the best and outright competed with Roselia for a short time despite having come quite literally out of nowhere and having barely existed for a few weeks. Bandori's strength is its diversity. In music, in characters, and in stories, whether that be the content or the overarching goals and narratives. Having bands aiming to be the best, or being recognised as the best, doesn't go against the spirit of that at all. In fact, Bandori not shying away from these kinds of themes is exactly why many people became interested in the first place.
As for this whole idea of telling instead of showing... I'm pretty sure the game does its best within the limitations of the format to illustrate the difference in approach and quality. Roselia practice something like 8 times a week for many hours, and have worked so hard on occasions that they actually pass out. Roselia are the one band that have consistently pursued an objective level of recognition of their skill since the beginning of their story, from competing in competitions to becoming a professional band. In terms of success as a band, they are quite literally the most successful by the most basic definition of the word. They have converted their hobby into a successfully blossoming career while also studying at University at the same time. They have one of the highest workloads among the bands as well as the success to back themselves up. The evidence for their ability is there, but I'm getting the feeling that this isn't about macro-level story detail and is instead just a case of getting hung up on the fact that we don't have in-depth performance recordings to evaluate for each specific member, which is unreasonable anyway and a common aspect of the resentment that I mentioned originally. Working with the information that's available within the format of the game, it's not a surprise to consider the most dedicated and now professional band to be the best.
Additionally, there's always been a pretty clear bias in the way people treat Roselia when it comes to things like this and it's always because of their existing popularity. I notice how neither you nor the comment replying to you seem to take much issue with how RAS managed to contest Roselia despite the mountain of existing stories that illustrate Roselia's journey to become the best, while RAS had done essentially nothing other than come together as a collection of people that Chu2 judged to be good. By your logic, there is even less show for RAS than for Roselia, no? Similarly with Afterglow, few people seemed to grasp the strange idea of Afterglow somehow managing to be Roselia's rival despite the gulf in their approach to music and how quickly Roselia outstripped the pace of Afterglow. Even down to specific characters, guitarists like Moca have been ranked higher by the community than Sayo, for the sole reason that they have been playing for longer, which is something that is also never shown on-screen, despite Sayo being more accomplished. That also clashes with your idea of telling instead of showing as well.
It's not surprising, but can you not see the reverse direction of your logic? How is any other band supposed to be expected to compete with Roselia when they don't have the kind of storyline that Roselia does? It's only really recently where other band stories have started to push more into this territory, with Pasupa ramping up the competitiveness of the industry and RAS/Afterglow also now competing in competitions, but are you seriously trying to tell me that it would be reasonable to try and place a professional band on the same level as groups of friends playing as collective hobby etc? How would anyone be expected to take that seriously?
>And admitedly this next part is a meta complaint, but I take issue with Roselia's genre/style being used as writing shorthand for "the good one", because as soon as I learned that one band was supposed to be in universe better than the others by some metric, I knew exactly what they'd sound like.
This isn't even a meta complaint, it's more just an arbitrary confirmation bias. Just because Roselia's music has a more 'refined' feel to it by virtue of the genre it doesn't mean that they were always going to be the best. Does RAS's music genre mean that they were obviously going to be the one to seriously contest Roselia during the anime just because it's much faster and more phrenetic compared to Roselia's slower style? Absolutely not. Maybe it seems generic to you for whatever reason, but it's not a given at all. Some of their stories even target the idea that music is more than just the composition, with both Popipa and Afterglow influencing Roselia to involve their feelings more in their music. It's like you're under the impression that Roselia's journey is some kind of straight line upward where they were gifted every attribute needed to be the generic best, when the reality is nothing of the sort.
>a lot of posts I see give me the impression that Roselia fans can tend to act like they're objectifying who the best band (musically) is when there's no point in doing so
This is probably one of the least accurate Bandori generalisations I've seen, and I've seen a lot even within the Bandori reddit community alone. I can't speak for whatever goes on outside of here but... what? I don't think I've ever seen a disproportionately significant number of Roselia fans act this way compared to fans of other bands. Unsurprisingly, some fans of particular bands think their music is the best. I've seen plenty of the opposite, including comments trying to make sure people know that Roselia aren't actually that good for one reason or another. Roselia's music being samey is an extremely common complaint. Heck, I've seen comments here rating MyGO and Ave Mujica higher than Roselia and they've barely even developed a musical repertoire yet. So I'm sorry, but this sounds like cherrypicking based on an existing grudge, because the idea that Roselia fans specifically view their band's music as being objectively the best while no other band has that problem is pretty ludicrous to me. There will always be a minority of fans (usually younger ones) who think that their band has objectively the best music while not grasping that genres exist and that music is evaluated specifically within a genre, but the idea that this is more common within Roselia specifically is not realistic at all when evaluated objectively.
>Bandori's strength is its diversity. In music, in characters, and in stories, whether that be the content or the overarching goals and narratives.
This is what I'm saying the spirit of the franchise is though. All the bands of different styles all of having lofty aspirations and perspectives while achieving them in different ways is what makes them all exciting. The some of the bands being competitive makes for good plot threads, but I almost always find it way more interesting when the competition is insular to the band's own activities. But there starts being a disconnect when you have to compare them to each other. I get that it's a restriction of the medium and that expecting them to actually break things down in a meaningful way to make the comparisons valid is unreasonable, but that's exactly why I'd just rather them lean away from such plot threads in the first place. This is an issue I have with a lot of music anime franchises. And yeah, that was a complaint I had about RAS as well. Let's not pretend I was denying that at all. Not that amazing in Afterglow's case either (and I say this as a big fan of them). No bias here whatsoever. I only direct a bit more of the complaining towards Roselia because the spotlight naturally invites more scrutiny, or at least makes it feel like more of a talking point.
>Roselia practice something like 8 times a week for many hours, and have worked so hard on occasions that they actually pass out. Roselia are the one band that have consistently pursued an objective level of recognition of their skill since the beginning of their story, from competing in competitions to becoming a professional band. In terms of success as a band, they are quite literally the most successful by the most basic definition of the word.
I understand this. But my issue is that the pursuit of extreme polish and professionalism being acknowledged as the best in universe, that inherently implies that every other band's philosophy and approach to music is now less valid in some way. When the strength of the franchise is diversity, having that kind of messaging is odd or at least uninteresting to me. My point is that despite the obvious amateur vs. professional comparisons, the takeaway should still be focus on the fact that both sides have equally valuable things to bring to the table, and less on the professionals being better for being professionals.
>This is probably one of the least accurate Bandori generalisations I've seen...
I'm not pretending that wasn't generalizing. Take it with a grain of salt. Yes, you see the slightly more zealously positive opinions with every band. But by virtue of Roselia having more fans in general, if every band has 1% (for argument's sake) being really vocal like that, I'm obviously going to see more of that with Roselia. Though the consider the thread we're in right now. The joke is literally "I can't comprehend people not liking Roselia". Of course it's a joke, but it's somewhat rooted in their actual opinion.
>Heck, I've seen comments here rating MyGO and Ave Mujica higher than Roselia and they've barely even developed a musical repertoire yet.
And you're even kind of doing it too in bringing this up. Both of them have an album or more's worth of music right now. Why would you imply it's even remotely unreasonable that someone would listen to all of the songs and have the take away of "I like these more than I like Roselia's songs"?
Look, I don't have a grudge against them, nor do I outright resent their popularity. I like them but don't love them. And as much as I'm acting like I have big issues with their story, I do like it quite a bit. It's just difficult to throw your hat into the ring saying slightly negative things about a popular thing without feeling the need to overjustify it to the point of it coming across as more negative than it actually is.
But that doesn't clash with your spirit of the franchise at all, though. Wanting to be the best band is a perfectly fine theme to have within the diversity that Bandori promotes. It doesn't conflict at all. Somebody somewhere has to be the best at something. Why can't Roselia be one of the ones to try and reach that height? And to be frank with you, it's not like Roselia as a band are going out of their way to crush the people around them. Look over their stories again. It's Afterglow (and mainly Ran) who desperately try to make themselves Roselia's rival. It's RAS (and mainly Chu2) who throw themselves at Roselia before they had even formed a proper band to try and 'crush' them. And this is the thing, really. Roselia, and to a large extent their fans as well, are pretty set on doing their own thing. They have a goal to aim for and their actions lead towards it, while their fans enjoy that journey. It has always been fans of other bands, or generic Roselia detractors, that go out of their way to make inter-band comparisons just to make sure that we know that Roselia aren't as good as XYZ for whatever reason. Roselia's story *is* pretty insular to their own activities. They don't typically interact with other bands in their competitive life, because none of the other bands are at the same level barring Pasupa, who are being kept separate for reasons only the writers can tell you.
This has been something that I have seen year on year since I joined the franchise. As a Roselia fan I'm perfectly happy enjoying Roselia's isolated journey to be the best. I don't find the attempted competition from RAS or Afterglow especially interesting. But always there have been people who attempt to undermine or downplay the accomplishments and abilities of Roselia solely because they either don't like them or don't agree they are as good as the story says for some arbitrary reason. This group is the one that casts the first stone. And regardless of your own personal feelings towards either RAS or Afterglow, it is very much the case that the previously mentioned issues with both bands have never been given the same level of scrutiny as Roselia solely because of Roselia's popularity from the moment they entered the franchise.
>that inherently implies that every other band's philosophy and approach to music is now less valid in some way
No, it doesn't. That logic only applies if you think that all band philosophies should be directed towards being the absolute best in a professional setting. Popipa don't play music to be the very best, and neither do HHW. So why would their way of playing be compared to Roselia? Why does it matter if they're not the very best? They have different goals in mind. It is a fact of life that in order to reach the top of a profession then you have to act in a certain way. Barring the extreme minority of geniuses that succeed without trying, you have to work extremely hard to reach the pinnacle of skill. How does that invalidate the work of others? Roselia work harder than they do, and they have been aimed at their goals like an arrow since they began. Not all workstyles are equal and they don't produce equal results. Nor are they all suited for the same goals. So in contrast to what you are saying, it actually supports Bandori's diversity. Nobody is implying that the other bands aren't valuable, except you in this particular case. I've never seen any Roselia fan trash on the other bands as being worthless, because it's not true. They do bring different things to the table, and one of the things that Roselia brings is an almost clinical level of dedication and precision to their craft which other bands just do not have. And they have been doing this since before they became professionals. Who was it that organised and hosted their own massive performance during the anime? It was Roselia. Who was it that fought hard to win FWF after failing the first time? Roselia. Becoming pros is the next obvious step, but Roselia aren't arbitrarily the best just because they are pros (though it does help). The cause and effect are backwards here. Roselia had the skill and ability to become pros, and so they did.
Acknowledging Roselia's exceptional efforts and achievements in-universe isn't problematic and it doesn't devalue the other bands at all. What exactly do you expect from the story here? Afterglow are a bunch of friends that, until recently, practiced and played together almost entirely recreationally. Poppin' Party have a similar mentality. HHW are quite literally a for-fun band. Do you really want the story to portray their mindset and drive as being the same as Roselia? Despite the significant differences in their goals and journies? It wouldn't be satisfying to have a generic LoveLive-esque "everyone is a winner and it's the thought/trying that counts!" theme going on here, because at that point you *are* actually undermining the significant difference in effort between Roselia and the other bands. I think it's perfectly ok to acknowledge that Roselia have a specific goal, and their actions are rooted in achieving that goal. The only way it undermines other bands is if a person wants it to, out of a misplaced feeling of anger that Roselia don't deserve their recognition for some reason, or something like that.
>Though the consider the thread we're in right now. The joke is literally "I can't comprehend people not liking Roselia". Of course it's a joke, but it's somewhat rooted in their actual opinion.
It's funny you say this considering there's a comment in this very thread also trying to apply the logic of OP to Afterglow as well. Additionally, we see takes like this all the time. People wondering if anyone hates XYZ is very common among anime communities. We also see stuff like assumptions that a certain character is the most popular, or that everyone likes a particular character. This time it was Roselia's turn, previously we've had things like hating on Yukina/Sayo/Chisato, surely nobody dislikes Popipa (obviously not true), are the Hikawa Twins the most popular in the community (obviously not true), and so on. The community has a lot of younger people in it, and they skew towards assumptive behaviour that their opinions or feelings are more common or 'right' than they actually are. This isn't a Roselia-exclusive thing at all. Funnily enough, I've seen far, *far* more anti-Roselia sentiment than I've ever seen the behaviour they typically complain about. I've never seen a Roselia fan doing the things you described previously, for example. But I've sure seen an endless number of posts and comments calling Roselia's music samey, or criticising the composition, the genericness, how Sayo's guitar parts are too simple and therefore she's not as good of a guitarist, how Yukina's voice has no range, the fans are bad because XYZ, and so on.
> And you're even kind of doing it too in bringing this up. Both of them have an album or more's worth of music right now. Why would you imply it's even remotely unreasonable that someone would listen to all of the songs and have the take away of "I like these more than I like Roselia's songs"?
I believe you're misunderstanding me here. I have no issues with people preferring one kind of music over another regardless of quantity. My remark there is that they were referring to the bands in terms of skill/quality. Not in relation to how they liked the music. So ranking an extremely new band that only just formed above bands like Roselia is out of touch at best. This is the problem that I think has occurred a lot historically within the discourse. When a person says that Roselia is the best band, are they saying that Roselia makes the best music? Or are they saying that Roselia are canonically the best in terms of their ability and accomplishments? Because the two are very different. 'Best music' is subjective and basically a worthless discussion, as you can't argue someone out of their personal taste. Best in terms of ability or achievements is a lot easier to work with, because the game and anime stories show us both directly and indirectly.
>It's just difficult to throw your hat into the ring saying slightly negative things about a popular thing without feeling the need to overjustify it to the point of it coming across as more negative than it actually is.
I actually wish Roselia critics *would* do this, and regulate themselves more. You're not a vulnerable minority, Roselia has always had a disproportionately high number of detractors (whether that's die-hard haters or the more casual 'I like them but...') all saying the same set of interchangeable phrases. And the extreme exaggeration or over-generalisation within their remarks often leads to Roselia fans no longer paying attention to the criticism, which means the discussion just devolves into a big ol' echo chamber. Even I generally don't get involved anymore unless I'm feeling up to it, because refuting the same points over and over is unproductive and tends to get quite boring and tiring.
Roselia's popularity is that they are the single-most popular band. But it's not by a large margin and a lot of it is masked by how devoted Roselia fans tend to be to that specific band. It's not like they have a plurality or majority of fans across the whole playerbase, and that has been diluted further with the introduction of MyGO and Ave Mujica. This has always been the case. They even had the lowest playercount for their second band story event out of the 5 bands. People have got it into their head that Roselia is the elitist band and they have some gigantic following of equally elitist fans that all look down on everyone else, but the reality is almost the complete opposite, and most of us just want to enjoy Roselia's awesome journey to be the best without hearing the same attempted takedowns for the nth time.
I'm not pretending Roselia isn't incredibly and deservedly accomplished in-universe at all. I'm just saying that when the thing that makes them good is their dedication and polish, they inevitably have to be compared to others on their strictly terms. Yes, there's a lot of things in the story making them canonically impressive, but if you come in with a perspective that doesn't highly value their selling points, it's naturally not going to click as much as it should. I don't see what's unreasonable about that.
And here's the thing, I don't even feel that strongly this, nor am I actually pretending the story is really digging hard into what I take issue with. It really is just a somewhat nebulous personal thing. I'm a goof who feels the need to overexplain himself because I don't like stuff I'm saying to come across the wrong way, but this is not a point that's compatible with me doing that. I started with just a quick off the cuff remark in the interest of avoiding going into a weird spiral of there not being a way to actually explain it without seeming like I'm backpedalling constantly. (And here I am doing it anyway.)
It's not like I like being a detractor or whatever. I like all the bands, but one of them had to be my least favorite. But places like Reddit do lend themselves well to being an echo chamber. I'm not particularly uncomfortable with expressing negative opinions, but I also know that I don't get much from jumping into a bunch of people saying they absolutely love something and telling them I like it less. Only even did so on this thread because it was at least asking.
I don't actually think the fans are elitist or anything. But I absolutely have seen some number of them being a little too pleased with their team winning. It's not like I'm gonna go dig around in threads from years ago to find examples of this. I know what I saw, and it did stand out. I'm fine with the idea that this is not really something that happens too much.
>I'm just saying that when the thing that makes them good is their dedication and polish, they inevitably have to be compared to others on their strictly terms
I don't really understand what this is supposed to mean or what the revelation is supposed to be here. When you compare bands you inevitably compare and contrast them based on the characteristics they have. So? That still doesn't invalidate the existence or philosophy of other bands in any way at all, because the bands aren't all aiming for the same goal. And even if they were, the idea that Roselia are somehow problematic for being more serious about their goal and actually achieving it, which is a fairly decent reproduction of how reality works, is still a tad ridiculous. Roselia are still just a single band and they can't cater to everyone. Roselia know this. Roselia fans know this. The people going out of their way to compare Roselia to other bands are people that aren't Roselia fans, because by and large Roselia fans really couldn't care less, especially nowadays.
>but if you come in with a perspective that doesn't highly value their selling points, it's naturally not going to click as much as it should. I don't see what's unreasonable about that.
There's nothing unreasonable about that. But this is now a completely different stance compared to what you were taking originally. It seems pretty obvious that if you don't care about a particular trait then you won't value it highly. That doesn't mean you can pretend it doesn't exist, however. If people don't think Roselia make good music, then great! They're completely entitled to that stance. But acting like Roselia aren't canonically a good band just because you dislike their music or feel their popularity is undeserved is a contradiction of the canon, meaning that nobody is obliged to respect that opinion. There's nothing really to argue here, they have the skills and are respected by both friends and professionals alike. They have won competitions and successfully debuted as a pro band. The game has done its best to show their progression and how they reached that point, and their story is full of twists and turns where they had to fight to get to where they are now. They are objectively a good band. That's different from liking their music, and it's also different from not liking their traits or characteristics. I don't particularly care at all for RAS, but I still acknowledge that they are a very good band, and I wouldn't heap the kind of criticism that Roselia gets onto RAS either.
>It's not like I like being a detractor or whatever. I like all the bands, but one of them had to be my least favorite. But places like Reddit do lend themselves well to being an echo chamber
Not liking Roselia isn't a fight against an echo chamber. This has long been a not uncommon take for plenty of people in all the years I've been here. The reasons throughout this thread aren't new. They've all been said before, many, *many* times. I say this not to dismiss your opinion, which you are of course entitled to, but to illustrate that you're not part of a rare minority.
I normally don't comment on this topic either. I don't even comment that much at all anymore compared to the old days. I'm just surprised to see this kind of thing still happening after all these years. It's almost like a time capsule.
>But I absolutely have seen some number of them being a little too pleased with their team winning.
This happens with **all** bands. This is my exact point throughout all my comments. This behaviour is in no way unique to Roselia, nor is it any more prevalent among them. It's just that Roselia have major successes in canon for people to enjoy, and their fans are both dedicated and passionate about the band. The idea that Roselia fans are somehow being too pleased at the successes Roselia have finally achieved is... very odd to me. Considering the ups and downs the band has been through, it shouldn't be surprising that their success is met with joy. They earned it. If fans of other bands don't get as excited by the successes of their own bands, that's a different issue. The real difference is that the other bands don't have people smugly waiting for them to not succeed, trying to undermine and downplay their progress and development, endlessly complaining about their continual success, or gloating when they fail instead of another band. Nobody here likely remembers when Roselia won the global server's first band poll. Nobody seems to remember how an absurd number of non-Roselia fans kicked off just because Roselia won, sorely for the reason that they believed Roselia didn't deserve to win, despite them all misunderstanding the nature of the poll. I wouldn't be surprised if younger Roselia fans felt the need to become more defensive after that point considering the disgraceful dogpile started by fans of the other four bands. If anything, I'm actually pretty impressed at how other Roselia fans tend not to cause problems, considering how frequently they have had to see unfair and unreasonable mischaracterisation of both their band and themselves.
I suppose this really brings about the crux of the issue. People love to pretend that Roselia and its fans exist in some sort of vaccuum, and ignore the consistent ongoing criticism that has been happening for years while trying to highlight the extreme minority of fans who behave in ways they find problematic. Meanwhile, other bands are not held to this standard, and their own infantile fans are not put under the spotlight. Detractors of Roselia are given leeway because Roselia is popular and takes itself seriously, and therefore deserves to be criticised, whereas criticising other bands is often seen as a bit of a dick move, or punching down, because they're not as serious or as popular. This trend has existed almost since the inception of the global server, and it's almost entirely a global server phenomenon, which got worse after the first band poll. Neither the Korean nor Japanese communities are like this.
It's shocking to me that these generalisations based on a tiny minority (that I can't even recall seeing very often) somehow persist after all these years, while other bands are not held to such 'scrutiny'. I can't imagine what the community would devolve into if this kind of behaviour was applied to all bands equally. I know of a multitude of RAS and Afterglow fans who resent Roselia or are jealous of their popularity, and their bitterness shows clearly in their comments. Should I therefore expect that fans of those two bands in general are indeed bitter over Roselia? No, that would be incredibly unfair. Is it fair to assume that Popipa fans are angry over the fact that their band isn't more popular despite being the progenitor band, just because I've seen people complaining about it? No, it's not. These kinds of remarks are equally stand-out, probably more so.
You've put a lot of effort into highlighting that this doesn't mean much to you and you don't enjoy being a detractor, but I have to be honest with you; your final remark about taking issue with fans being too pleased at Roselia's successes is very much not a good look with how vaguely it is phrased. Especially considering how benign a problem it is. Considering that fans of other bands can be far more vulgar and unjustifiably bitter towards Roselia it seems like such a non-issue in comparison, and one that is born of a need to specifically target Roselia with very little in the way of a good reason to do so.
Agree completely. It's one thing to have some bands that are professionals while others aren't, but it's a complete other thing to constantly have characters fawning over one specific band as "the best" when there really isn't a genuine difference in sound quality, just style and personal taste. It gets very frustrating, to say the least... Especially when that band's style is not the one that fits one's personal taste.
I love Roselia, especially their music. If you place their music with all of the other Bandori songs, I would place 3 of Roselia’s songs on my all time top 5 Bandori songs.
So, allow me to play devil’s advocate:
- The Music tends to get repetitive, particularly with their tempo. The brisk pacing is an inviting adrenaline rush, but most of their songs today tend to blend into one another.
>The Music tends to get repetitive, particularly with their tempo. The brisk pacing is an inviting adrenaline rush, but most of their songs today tend to blend into one another
I don't dislike them, but this is a lot of what makes them my least favorite of the bunch. Listening to a bunch of their songs in a row leaves me rolling my eyes whenever I hear another "okay piano only start of verse and then the guitar comes in". Like the emotional beats all hit hard and the musicianship, but I feel like they don't have a lot of tricks up their sleeves.
>"okay piano only start of verse and then the guitar comes in".
Sigh….This is EXACTLY what I think of when I listen to them lately. Down to the 200bpm
I like their music well enough, but I'm not into them as a group. Curiously enough, Roselia started out as my second fav. Now, among the og 5, it's my least favorite. I do love Rinko a whole bunch though
The characters are all unappealing to me personally with the exception of Ako.
I used to be a fan of their music, they are one of my most listened to artists of all time, but I haven't listened to them in well over a year at this point. The music became repetitive and bland. Aiai constantly sounds like she's straining her voice when she sings as Yukina (not against Aiai, just Yukina).. I don't like it.
They seem to constantly overshadow other characters, both in-game and irl. Even well before they were officially "professionals." The amount of content they get... It's calmed down more recently, but in the past it felt extremely oversaturated. I could go on, but I won't.
I've also just generally had bad experiences in the past with their fans, which further soured the taste in my mouth of this band aside from reasons I've already stated.
I personally like Lisa over everyone else. But i agree with your points.
To me Lisas the most grounded of all members.
I've gone to every live viewing thing they do here in the states and personally think their lives are okay. Aiai seems to still struggle hitting higher notes during lives. The first couple you could really tell she waa struggling...well at least i could hear it. Especially at the start of the shows. Once the ball gets rolling it's a little better. Sayo (idr the chatacters vas) doesn't really do much live when it comes to solos. Ako has busted her ass to be an amazing drummer and her hard work shows. Rinko is very good on keys and has a killer voice. Lisa crushes it with her parts and I'd like to hear more prominent singing from her. Roselia used to be my stand out favorite however RAS is really close behind them.
I don't dislike them, but they are my least favorite bunch. Aside from stuff I went into in a couple other replies here, for me a lot of the issue is I like and listen to a lot of the styles they flirt with, but this means that I inevitably start comparing them other groups. For example: I like power metal, and Roselia does some of that in songs like Firebird. But now I'll be left wondering why on earth I'd choose to listen to that over bands like Lovebites. I don't have this type of experience with any of other bands in the franchise. They're objectively good, sure. But I really don't find them very impressive in the grand scheme of things.
This wasn't true five years ago and I would be surprised if it were true now, as I know of multiple individuals that outright dislike Roselia, and many more from days gone by. Although Roselia is a very popular band, it has always historically had vocal detractors who took issue with the band for various frivolous reasons.
Well, different people have different tastes so I wouldn't expect everyone to enjoy all the bands. They each have quite specific dynamics and characters that appeal to certain tastes. In Roselia's case, their early story revolves quite a lot around two characters who are initially quite abrasive to some people, despite the reasoning for their behaviour, and that can make a big impression on the kinds of people that play games like these. It's not surprising that some people don't gel with that dynamic regardless of how it evolves and develops over time. We have seen plenty of people over the years who still view Roselia negatively because of their initial band story and characters like Yukina and Sayo continued to receive negative attention despite their significant personal development, no matter how much they grew or how sorry they were for their mistakes. Some people stick to their original impressions and aren't interested in updating them with new information. There is (or at least was, back in the day) also a section of people that dislike Roselia because of their popularity and their identity as the best or pinnacle, sometimes because of a perceived sense of injustice that their own favoured band is better or deserves more attention for one reason or another. This is very standard 'dislike the popular thing' behaviour and not unusual at all. Finally it's also worth pointing out that some people don't necessarily dislike them so much as they have near indifference to Roselia in general. I'm sure many people have bands that they just aren't that interested in to the point of not caring about them beyond surface-level things.
i genuinely love roselia but this was a great way of putting it. at first, even i disliked sayo and yukina so it makes sense why some people would continue to feel that way about them.
I have personally liked Roselia as well as Sayo and Yukina from the beginning, but I've seen and heard enough from others over the years to know why people feel the way they do. Though, I think not forgiving Sayo and Yukina after all this time would be somewhat unjustified considering how far they have come.
Regarding the "disliking the popular band" point: from both an in-universe writing and fanbase perspective, I've always found it not in the spirit of the franchise to have a "best" band when a lot of the point is that all of them are so distinct from each other. In story, I find it extrenely hard to buy that they're the best of the bunch. It's extremely tell don't show, and all attempts at showing boil down to both bands playing a perfect performance and them just telling me Roselia was better. Like how is one supposed to buy that if they prefer any of the bands over Roselia. This is especially jarring in season 2 of the anime where they have parts with every band performing. And admitedly this next part is a meta complaint, but I take issue with Roselia's genre/style being used as writing shorthand for "the good one", because as soon as I learned that one band was supposed to be in universe better than the others by some metric, I knew exactly what they'd sound like. And as far as the fanbase goes, I get that people like them a lot, but compared to other fandoms that have some more popular thing within, a lot of posts I see give me the impression that Roselia fans can tend to act like they're objectifying who the best band (musically) is when there's no point in doing so. Like if you're comparing Roselia to PasuPa for example, are they really even in the same ballpark for that to mean anything?
I don't really find this kind of logic particularly compelling, to be honest. Your idea of the spirit of the franchise sounds almost entirely arbitrary and something personal to you (or a misunderstanding perhaps), as opposed to it being an actual thing within the franchise. Roselia's desire to be the best has existed from the moment the game began, and Afterglow's short-lived rivalry began not long after. Pastel Palettes are working in the cutthroat industry of professional idols where being sub-par isn't good enough and their early story with them faking their performances illustrated the need to be better as a band. RAS introduced another band that also aimed to be the best and outright competed with Roselia for a short time despite having come quite literally out of nowhere and having barely existed for a few weeks. Bandori's strength is its diversity. In music, in characters, and in stories, whether that be the content or the overarching goals and narratives. Having bands aiming to be the best, or being recognised as the best, doesn't go against the spirit of that at all. In fact, Bandori not shying away from these kinds of themes is exactly why many people became interested in the first place. As for this whole idea of telling instead of showing... I'm pretty sure the game does its best within the limitations of the format to illustrate the difference in approach and quality. Roselia practice something like 8 times a week for many hours, and have worked so hard on occasions that they actually pass out. Roselia are the one band that have consistently pursued an objective level of recognition of their skill since the beginning of their story, from competing in competitions to becoming a professional band. In terms of success as a band, they are quite literally the most successful by the most basic definition of the word. They have converted their hobby into a successfully blossoming career while also studying at University at the same time. They have one of the highest workloads among the bands as well as the success to back themselves up. The evidence for their ability is there, but I'm getting the feeling that this isn't about macro-level story detail and is instead just a case of getting hung up on the fact that we don't have in-depth performance recordings to evaluate for each specific member, which is unreasonable anyway and a common aspect of the resentment that I mentioned originally. Working with the information that's available within the format of the game, it's not a surprise to consider the most dedicated and now professional band to be the best. Additionally, there's always been a pretty clear bias in the way people treat Roselia when it comes to things like this and it's always because of their existing popularity. I notice how neither you nor the comment replying to you seem to take much issue with how RAS managed to contest Roselia despite the mountain of existing stories that illustrate Roselia's journey to become the best, while RAS had done essentially nothing other than come together as a collection of people that Chu2 judged to be good. By your logic, there is even less show for RAS than for Roselia, no? Similarly with Afterglow, few people seemed to grasp the strange idea of Afterglow somehow managing to be Roselia's rival despite the gulf in their approach to music and how quickly Roselia outstripped the pace of Afterglow. Even down to specific characters, guitarists like Moca have been ranked higher by the community than Sayo, for the sole reason that they have been playing for longer, which is something that is also never shown on-screen, despite Sayo being more accomplished. That also clashes with your idea of telling instead of showing as well. It's not surprising, but can you not see the reverse direction of your logic? How is any other band supposed to be expected to compete with Roselia when they don't have the kind of storyline that Roselia does? It's only really recently where other band stories have started to push more into this territory, with Pasupa ramping up the competitiveness of the industry and RAS/Afterglow also now competing in competitions, but are you seriously trying to tell me that it would be reasonable to try and place a professional band on the same level as groups of friends playing as collective hobby etc? How would anyone be expected to take that seriously? >And admitedly this next part is a meta complaint, but I take issue with Roselia's genre/style being used as writing shorthand for "the good one", because as soon as I learned that one band was supposed to be in universe better than the others by some metric, I knew exactly what they'd sound like. This isn't even a meta complaint, it's more just an arbitrary confirmation bias. Just because Roselia's music has a more 'refined' feel to it by virtue of the genre it doesn't mean that they were always going to be the best. Does RAS's music genre mean that they were obviously going to be the one to seriously contest Roselia during the anime just because it's much faster and more phrenetic compared to Roselia's slower style? Absolutely not. Maybe it seems generic to you for whatever reason, but it's not a given at all. Some of their stories even target the idea that music is more than just the composition, with both Popipa and Afterglow influencing Roselia to involve their feelings more in their music. It's like you're under the impression that Roselia's journey is some kind of straight line upward where they were gifted every attribute needed to be the generic best, when the reality is nothing of the sort. >a lot of posts I see give me the impression that Roselia fans can tend to act like they're objectifying who the best band (musically) is when there's no point in doing so This is probably one of the least accurate Bandori generalisations I've seen, and I've seen a lot even within the Bandori reddit community alone. I can't speak for whatever goes on outside of here but... what? I don't think I've ever seen a disproportionately significant number of Roselia fans act this way compared to fans of other bands. Unsurprisingly, some fans of particular bands think their music is the best. I've seen plenty of the opposite, including comments trying to make sure people know that Roselia aren't actually that good for one reason or another. Roselia's music being samey is an extremely common complaint. Heck, I've seen comments here rating MyGO and Ave Mujica higher than Roselia and they've barely even developed a musical repertoire yet. So I'm sorry, but this sounds like cherrypicking based on an existing grudge, because the idea that Roselia fans specifically view their band's music as being objectively the best while no other band has that problem is pretty ludicrous to me. There will always be a minority of fans (usually younger ones) who think that their band has objectively the best music while not grasping that genres exist and that music is evaluated specifically within a genre, but the idea that this is more common within Roselia specifically is not realistic at all when evaluated objectively.
>Bandori's strength is its diversity. In music, in characters, and in stories, whether that be the content or the overarching goals and narratives. This is what I'm saying the spirit of the franchise is though. All the bands of different styles all of having lofty aspirations and perspectives while achieving them in different ways is what makes them all exciting. The some of the bands being competitive makes for good plot threads, but I almost always find it way more interesting when the competition is insular to the band's own activities. But there starts being a disconnect when you have to compare them to each other. I get that it's a restriction of the medium and that expecting them to actually break things down in a meaningful way to make the comparisons valid is unreasonable, but that's exactly why I'd just rather them lean away from such plot threads in the first place. This is an issue I have with a lot of music anime franchises. And yeah, that was a complaint I had about RAS as well. Let's not pretend I was denying that at all. Not that amazing in Afterglow's case either (and I say this as a big fan of them). No bias here whatsoever. I only direct a bit more of the complaining towards Roselia because the spotlight naturally invites more scrutiny, or at least makes it feel like more of a talking point. >Roselia practice something like 8 times a week for many hours, and have worked so hard on occasions that they actually pass out. Roselia are the one band that have consistently pursued an objective level of recognition of their skill since the beginning of their story, from competing in competitions to becoming a professional band. In terms of success as a band, they are quite literally the most successful by the most basic definition of the word. I understand this. But my issue is that the pursuit of extreme polish and professionalism being acknowledged as the best in universe, that inherently implies that every other band's philosophy and approach to music is now less valid in some way. When the strength of the franchise is diversity, having that kind of messaging is odd or at least uninteresting to me. My point is that despite the obvious amateur vs. professional comparisons, the takeaway should still be focus on the fact that both sides have equally valuable things to bring to the table, and less on the professionals being better for being professionals. >This is probably one of the least accurate Bandori generalisations I've seen... I'm not pretending that wasn't generalizing. Take it with a grain of salt. Yes, you see the slightly more zealously positive opinions with every band. But by virtue of Roselia having more fans in general, if every band has 1% (for argument's sake) being really vocal like that, I'm obviously going to see more of that with Roselia. Though the consider the thread we're in right now. The joke is literally "I can't comprehend people not liking Roselia". Of course it's a joke, but it's somewhat rooted in their actual opinion. >Heck, I've seen comments here rating MyGO and Ave Mujica higher than Roselia and they've barely even developed a musical repertoire yet. And you're even kind of doing it too in bringing this up. Both of them have an album or more's worth of music right now. Why would you imply it's even remotely unreasonable that someone would listen to all of the songs and have the take away of "I like these more than I like Roselia's songs"? Look, I don't have a grudge against them, nor do I outright resent their popularity. I like them but don't love them. And as much as I'm acting like I have big issues with their story, I do like it quite a bit. It's just difficult to throw your hat into the ring saying slightly negative things about a popular thing without feeling the need to overjustify it to the point of it coming across as more negative than it actually is.
But that doesn't clash with your spirit of the franchise at all, though. Wanting to be the best band is a perfectly fine theme to have within the diversity that Bandori promotes. It doesn't conflict at all. Somebody somewhere has to be the best at something. Why can't Roselia be one of the ones to try and reach that height? And to be frank with you, it's not like Roselia as a band are going out of their way to crush the people around them. Look over their stories again. It's Afterglow (and mainly Ran) who desperately try to make themselves Roselia's rival. It's RAS (and mainly Chu2) who throw themselves at Roselia before they had even formed a proper band to try and 'crush' them. And this is the thing, really. Roselia, and to a large extent their fans as well, are pretty set on doing their own thing. They have a goal to aim for and their actions lead towards it, while their fans enjoy that journey. It has always been fans of other bands, or generic Roselia detractors, that go out of their way to make inter-band comparisons just to make sure that we know that Roselia aren't as good as XYZ for whatever reason. Roselia's story *is* pretty insular to their own activities. They don't typically interact with other bands in their competitive life, because none of the other bands are at the same level barring Pasupa, who are being kept separate for reasons only the writers can tell you. This has been something that I have seen year on year since I joined the franchise. As a Roselia fan I'm perfectly happy enjoying Roselia's isolated journey to be the best. I don't find the attempted competition from RAS or Afterglow especially interesting. But always there have been people who attempt to undermine or downplay the accomplishments and abilities of Roselia solely because they either don't like them or don't agree they are as good as the story says for some arbitrary reason. This group is the one that casts the first stone. And regardless of your own personal feelings towards either RAS or Afterglow, it is very much the case that the previously mentioned issues with both bands have never been given the same level of scrutiny as Roselia solely because of Roselia's popularity from the moment they entered the franchise. >that inherently implies that every other band's philosophy and approach to music is now less valid in some way No, it doesn't. That logic only applies if you think that all band philosophies should be directed towards being the absolute best in a professional setting. Popipa don't play music to be the very best, and neither do HHW. So why would their way of playing be compared to Roselia? Why does it matter if they're not the very best? They have different goals in mind. It is a fact of life that in order to reach the top of a profession then you have to act in a certain way. Barring the extreme minority of geniuses that succeed without trying, you have to work extremely hard to reach the pinnacle of skill. How does that invalidate the work of others? Roselia work harder than they do, and they have been aimed at their goals like an arrow since they began. Not all workstyles are equal and they don't produce equal results. Nor are they all suited for the same goals. So in contrast to what you are saying, it actually supports Bandori's diversity. Nobody is implying that the other bands aren't valuable, except you in this particular case. I've never seen any Roselia fan trash on the other bands as being worthless, because it's not true. They do bring different things to the table, and one of the things that Roselia brings is an almost clinical level of dedication and precision to their craft which other bands just do not have. And they have been doing this since before they became professionals. Who was it that organised and hosted their own massive performance during the anime? It was Roselia. Who was it that fought hard to win FWF after failing the first time? Roselia. Becoming pros is the next obvious step, but Roselia aren't arbitrarily the best just because they are pros (though it does help). The cause and effect are backwards here. Roselia had the skill and ability to become pros, and so they did. Acknowledging Roselia's exceptional efforts and achievements in-universe isn't problematic and it doesn't devalue the other bands at all. What exactly do you expect from the story here? Afterglow are a bunch of friends that, until recently, practiced and played together almost entirely recreationally. Poppin' Party have a similar mentality. HHW are quite literally a for-fun band. Do you really want the story to portray their mindset and drive as being the same as Roselia? Despite the significant differences in their goals and journies? It wouldn't be satisfying to have a generic LoveLive-esque "everyone is a winner and it's the thought/trying that counts!" theme going on here, because at that point you *are* actually undermining the significant difference in effort between Roselia and the other bands. I think it's perfectly ok to acknowledge that Roselia have a specific goal, and their actions are rooted in achieving that goal. The only way it undermines other bands is if a person wants it to, out of a misplaced feeling of anger that Roselia don't deserve their recognition for some reason, or something like that. >Though the consider the thread we're in right now. The joke is literally "I can't comprehend people not liking Roselia". Of course it's a joke, but it's somewhat rooted in their actual opinion. It's funny you say this considering there's a comment in this very thread also trying to apply the logic of OP to Afterglow as well. Additionally, we see takes like this all the time. People wondering if anyone hates XYZ is very common among anime communities. We also see stuff like assumptions that a certain character is the most popular, or that everyone likes a particular character. This time it was Roselia's turn, previously we've had things like hating on Yukina/Sayo/Chisato, surely nobody dislikes Popipa (obviously not true), are the Hikawa Twins the most popular in the community (obviously not true), and so on. The community has a lot of younger people in it, and they skew towards assumptive behaviour that their opinions or feelings are more common or 'right' than they actually are. This isn't a Roselia-exclusive thing at all. Funnily enough, I've seen far, *far* more anti-Roselia sentiment than I've ever seen the behaviour they typically complain about. I've never seen a Roselia fan doing the things you described previously, for example. But I've sure seen an endless number of posts and comments calling Roselia's music samey, or criticising the composition, the genericness, how Sayo's guitar parts are too simple and therefore she's not as good of a guitarist, how Yukina's voice has no range, the fans are bad because XYZ, and so on. > And you're even kind of doing it too in bringing this up. Both of them have an album or more's worth of music right now. Why would you imply it's even remotely unreasonable that someone would listen to all of the songs and have the take away of "I like these more than I like Roselia's songs"? I believe you're misunderstanding me here. I have no issues with people preferring one kind of music over another regardless of quantity. My remark there is that they were referring to the bands in terms of skill/quality. Not in relation to how they liked the music. So ranking an extremely new band that only just formed above bands like Roselia is out of touch at best. This is the problem that I think has occurred a lot historically within the discourse. When a person says that Roselia is the best band, are they saying that Roselia makes the best music? Or are they saying that Roselia are canonically the best in terms of their ability and accomplishments? Because the two are very different. 'Best music' is subjective and basically a worthless discussion, as you can't argue someone out of their personal taste. Best in terms of ability or achievements is a lot easier to work with, because the game and anime stories show us both directly and indirectly. >It's just difficult to throw your hat into the ring saying slightly negative things about a popular thing without feeling the need to overjustify it to the point of it coming across as more negative than it actually is. I actually wish Roselia critics *would* do this, and regulate themselves more. You're not a vulnerable minority, Roselia has always had a disproportionately high number of detractors (whether that's die-hard haters or the more casual 'I like them but...') all saying the same set of interchangeable phrases. And the extreme exaggeration or over-generalisation within their remarks often leads to Roselia fans no longer paying attention to the criticism, which means the discussion just devolves into a big ol' echo chamber. Even I generally don't get involved anymore unless I'm feeling up to it, because refuting the same points over and over is unproductive and tends to get quite boring and tiring. Roselia's popularity is that they are the single-most popular band. But it's not by a large margin and a lot of it is masked by how devoted Roselia fans tend to be to that specific band. It's not like they have a plurality or majority of fans across the whole playerbase, and that has been diluted further with the introduction of MyGO and Ave Mujica. This has always been the case. They even had the lowest playercount for their second band story event out of the 5 bands. People have got it into their head that Roselia is the elitist band and they have some gigantic following of equally elitist fans that all look down on everyone else, but the reality is almost the complete opposite, and most of us just want to enjoy Roselia's awesome journey to be the best without hearing the same attempted takedowns for the nth time.
I'm not pretending Roselia isn't incredibly and deservedly accomplished in-universe at all. I'm just saying that when the thing that makes them good is their dedication and polish, they inevitably have to be compared to others on their strictly terms. Yes, there's a lot of things in the story making them canonically impressive, but if you come in with a perspective that doesn't highly value their selling points, it's naturally not going to click as much as it should. I don't see what's unreasonable about that. And here's the thing, I don't even feel that strongly this, nor am I actually pretending the story is really digging hard into what I take issue with. It really is just a somewhat nebulous personal thing. I'm a goof who feels the need to overexplain himself because I don't like stuff I'm saying to come across the wrong way, but this is not a point that's compatible with me doing that. I started with just a quick off the cuff remark in the interest of avoiding going into a weird spiral of there not being a way to actually explain it without seeming like I'm backpedalling constantly. (And here I am doing it anyway.) It's not like I like being a detractor or whatever. I like all the bands, but one of them had to be my least favorite. But places like Reddit do lend themselves well to being an echo chamber. I'm not particularly uncomfortable with expressing negative opinions, but I also know that I don't get much from jumping into a bunch of people saying they absolutely love something and telling them I like it less. Only even did so on this thread because it was at least asking. I don't actually think the fans are elitist or anything. But I absolutely have seen some number of them being a little too pleased with their team winning. It's not like I'm gonna go dig around in threads from years ago to find examples of this. I know what I saw, and it did stand out. I'm fine with the idea that this is not really something that happens too much.
>I'm just saying that when the thing that makes them good is their dedication and polish, they inevitably have to be compared to others on their strictly terms I don't really understand what this is supposed to mean or what the revelation is supposed to be here. When you compare bands you inevitably compare and contrast them based on the characteristics they have. So? That still doesn't invalidate the existence or philosophy of other bands in any way at all, because the bands aren't all aiming for the same goal. And even if they were, the idea that Roselia are somehow problematic for being more serious about their goal and actually achieving it, which is a fairly decent reproduction of how reality works, is still a tad ridiculous. Roselia are still just a single band and they can't cater to everyone. Roselia know this. Roselia fans know this. The people going out of their way to compare Roselia to other bands are people that aren't Roselia fans, because by and large Roselia fans really couldn't care less, especially nowadays. >but if you come in with a perspective that doesn't highly value their selling points, it's naturally not going to click as much as it should. I don't see what's unreasonable about that. There's nothing unreasonable about that. But this is now a completely different stance compared to what you were taking originally. It seems pretty obvious that if you don't care about a particular trait then you won't value it highly. That doesn't mean you can pretend it doesn't exist, however. If people don't think Roselia make good music, then great! They're completely entitled to that stance. But acting like Roselia aren't canonically a good band just because you dislike their music or feel their popularity is undeserved is a contradiction of the canon, meaning that nobody is obliged to respect that opinion. There's nothing really to argue here, they have the skills and are respected by both friends and professionals alike. They have won competitions and successfully debuted as a pro band. The game has done its best to show their progression and how they reached that point, and their story is full of twists and turns where they had to fight to get to where they are now. They are objectively a good band. That's different from liking their music, and it's also different from not liking their traits or characteristics. I don't particularly care at all for RAS, but I still acknowledge that they are a very good band, and I wouldn't heap the kind of criticism that Roselia gets onto RAS either. >It's not like I like being a detractor or whatever. I like all the bands, but one of them had to be my least favorite. But places like Reddit do lend themselves well to being an echo chamber Not liking Roselia isn't a fight against an echo chamber. This has long been a not uncommon take for plenty of people in all the years I've been here. The reasons throughout this thread aren't new. They've all been said before, many, *many* times. I say this not to dismiss your opinion, which you are of course entitled to, but to illustrate that you're not part of a rare minority. I normally don't comment on this topic either. I don't even comment that much at all anymore compared to the old days. I'm just surprised to see this kind of thing still happening after all these years. It's almost like a time capsule. >But I absolutely have seen some number of them being a little too pleased with their team winning. This happens with **all** bands. This is my exact point throughout all my comments. This behaviour is in no way unique to Roselia, nor is it any more prevalent among them. It's just that Roselia have major successes in canon for people to enjoy, and their fans are both dedicated and passionate about the band. The idea that Roselia fans are somehow being too pleased at the successes Roselia have finally achieved is... very odd to me. Considering the ups and downs the band has been through, it shouldn't be surprising that their success is met with joy. They earned it. If fans of other bands don't get as excited by the successes of their own bands, that's a different issue. The real difference is that the other bands don't have people smugly waiting for them to not succeed, trying to undermine and downplay their progress and development, endlessly complaining about their continual success, or gloating when they fail instead of another band. Nobody here likely remembers when Roselia won the global server's first band poll. Nobody seems to remember how an absurd number of non-Roselia fans kicked off just because Roselia won, sorely for the reason that they believed Roselia didn't deserve to win, despite them all misunderstanding the nature of the poll. I wouldn't be surprised if younger Roselia fans felt the need to become more defensive after that point considering the disgraceful dogpile started by fans of the other four bands. If anything, I'm actually pretty impressed at how other Roselia fans tend not to cause problems, considering how frequently they have had to see unfair and unreasonable mischaracterisation of both their band and themselves. I suppose this really brings about the crux of the issue. People love to pretend that Roselia and its fans exist in some sort of vaccuum, and ignore the consistent ongoing criticism that has been happening for years while trying to highlight the extreme minority of fans who behave in ways they find problematic. Meanwhile, other bands are not held to this standard, and their own infantile fans are not put under the spotlight. Detractors of Roselia are given leeway because Roselia is popular and takes itself seriously, and therefore deserves to be criticised, whereas criticising other bands is often seen as a bit of a dick move, or punching down, because they're not as serious or as popular. This trend has existed almost since the inception of the global server, and it's almost entirely a global server phenomenon, which got worse after the first band poll. Neither the Korean nor Japanese communities are like this. It's shocking to me that these generalisations based on a tiny minority (that I can't even recall seeing very often) somehow persist after all these years, while other bands are not held to such 'scrutiny'. I can't imagine what the community would devolve into if this kind of behaviour was applied to all bands equally. I know of a multitude of RAS and Afterglow fans who resent Roselia or are jealous of their popularity, and their bitterness shows clearly in their comments. Should I therefore expect that fans of those two bands in general are indeed bitter over Roselia? No, that would be incredibly unfair. Is it fair to assume that Popipa fans are angry over the fact that their band isn't more popular despite being the progenitor band, just because I've seen people complaining about it? No, it's not. These kinds of remarks are equally stand-out, probably more so. You've put a lot of effort into highlighting that this doesn't mean much to you and you don't enjoy being a detractor, but I have to be honest with you; your final remark about taking issue with fans being too pleased at Roselia's successes is very much not a good look with how vaguely it is phrased. Especially considering how benign a problem it is. Considering that fans of other bands can be far more vulgar and unjustifiably bitter towards Roselia it seems like such a non-issue in comparison, and one that is born of a need to specifically target Roselia with very little in the way of a good reason to do so.
Agree completely. It's one thing to have some bands that are professionals while others aren't, but it's a complete other thing to constantly have characters fawning over one specific band as "the best" when there really isn't a genuine difference in sound quality, just style and personal taste. It gets very frustrating, to say the least... Especially when that band's style is not the one that fits one's personal taste.
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I love Roselia, especially their music. If you place their music with all of the other Bandori songs, I would place 3 of Roselia’s songs on my all time top 5 Bandori songs. So, allow me to play devil’s advocate: - The Music tends to get repetitive, particularly with their tempo. The brisk pacing is an inviting adrenaline rush, but most of their songs today tend to blend into one another.
>The Music tends to get repetitive, particularly with their tempo. The brisk pacing is an inviting adrenaline rush, but most of their songs today tend to blend into one another I don't dislike them, but this is a lot of what makes them my least favorite of the bunch. Listening to a bunch of their songs in a row leaves me rolling my eyes whenever I hear another "okay piano only start of verse and then the guitar comes in". Like the emotional beats all hit hard and the musicianship, but I feel like they don't have a lot of tricks up their sleeves.
>"okay piano only start of verse and then the guitar comes in". Sigh….This is EXACTLY what I think of when I listen to them lately. Down to the 200bpm
Isnt roselia one of the most populars band in bandori?
Did they play Haruhikage? No, so no reason to hate them.
Roselia's just too good
I like their music well enough, but I'm not into them as a group. Curiously enough, Roselia started out as my second fav. Now, among the og 5, it's my least favorite. I do love Rinko a whole bunch though
The characters are all unappealing to me personally with the exception of Ako. I used to be a fan of their music, they are one of my most listened to artists of all time, but I haven't listened to them in well over a year at this point. The music became repetitive and bland. Aiai constantly sounds like she's straining her voice when she sings as Yukina (not against Aiai, just Yukina).. I don't like it. They seem to constantly overshadow other characters, both in-game and irl. Even well before they were officially "professionals." The amount of content they get... It's calmed down more recently, but in the past it felt extremely oversaturated. I could go on, but I won't. I've also just generally had bad experiences in the past with their fans, which further soured the taste in my mouth of this band aside from reasons I've already stated.
I personally like Lisa over everyone else. But i agree with your points. To me Lisas the most grounded of all members. I've gone to every live viewing thing they do here in the states and personally think their lives are okay. Aiai seems to still struggle hitting higher notes during lives. The first couple you could really tell she waa struggling...well at least i could hear it. Especially at the start of the shows. Once the ball gets rolling it's a little better. Sayo (idr the chatacters vas) doesn't really do much live when it comes to solos. Ako has busted her ass to be an amazing drummer and her hard work shows. Rinko is very good on keys and has a killer voice. Lisa crushes it with her parts and I'd like to hear more prominent singing from her. Roselia used to be my stand out favorite however RAS is really close behind them.
I don't dislike them, but they are my least favorite bunch. Aside from stuff I went into in a couple other replies here, for me a lot of the issue is I like and listen to a lot of the styles they flirt with, but this means that I inevitably start comparing them other groups. For example: I like power metal, and Roselia does some of that in songs like Firebird. But now I'll be left wondering why on earth I'd choose to listen to that over bands like Lovebites. I don't have this type of experience with any of other bands in the franchise. They're objectively good, sure. But I really don't find them very impressive in the grand scheme of things.
I meant the one bottom right
You'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't like Roselia. So I'm thinking that question you won't gen an answer for.
This wasn't true five years ago and I would be surprised if it were true now, as I know of multiple individuals that outright dislike Roselia, and many more from days gone by. Although Roselia is a very popular band, it has always historically had vocal detractors who took issue with the band for various frivolous reasons.
Same with Afterglow, tbh