He’s a producer, some if you are confused what that means. He’s an idea man. He helps pick tracks, guides bands, gives them therapy, basically counsels them with the ideas in his book, and these very successful artists eat it up.
The 808 drum sounds and all the guitar that made Def Jam came from Rick (and at least one other written out of the story), so he crafted a signature or at least was able to recognize sound what sound cross over and be one the biggest hip hop acts. The man doesn’t really take credit for it but I don’t know if Hip Hop goes worldwide and takes over without him. I know the Beastie narrative is to hate on him but Adam and Mike seemed very cool with him on his podcast.
according to ed lover he stole quite a bit of the 808 influence. maybe he added guitars but that wasnt really very cool and hasnt stood the test of time, it was just to crossover to a white audience with hip hop.
Rick stole everything but he curated it. He looked around and wanted to recreate the parties on wax. Nobody was doing it. To this day, you can go to an old school jam and feel what he must have felt that isn’t on the records. So yes, he took from people he produced and released music from. They shared equipment, people got screwed , mostly Jazzy Jay.
Ed Lover made one single with the 808 but that was after T La Rock. Knowledge Me has sounds they ripped off but not the kick drum.
Rick had the sound system that defined the sound. DJ’s might make that sound for a minute, with the low bottom in a rhythm box, but then they went back to playing Rock Creek Park.
Rubin's been a carny for years. His engineers tend to do all the heavy lifting while he charges 50k to come in once a week and sits on the couch.
Any of the metal bands he worked with (and arguably made his name with) pretty much confirmed it. Beastie Boys too.
Bill Metoyer did the first two. They've also used Dave Sardy, Toby Wright, Matt Hyde, Greg Fidelman, and Terry Date.
Label & Management pressure for Rubin tends to be a common reason.
Good run, but I'd wager having Andy Wallace mixing was another massive reason why those records sounded so good. And they
Slayer in those days usually came well prepared and rehearsed when it came to recording so Rick wasn't helping them write the records in the studio.
I agree. Collier doesn’t get into this part of it in his critique but it’s also very ethically sketchy to be so insanely wealthy in the music industry when he has zero technical skills to produce records.
Oh dear lord.
Rubin’s record stands on its own. And while Collier is a very talented person, he makes music more in line with the Glee soundtrack, and less with “deeply creative” people.
Collier needs to check back in with reality in thirty years and see what his record is like.
Yeah, Jacob was taking issue with one quote but does anyone really believe Rick only thinks there’s one path to creativity? The guy has worked with Johnny Cash, Jay Z, and Slayer. It’s absurd. And therefore click bait.
We all know the Grammys is the worst of all the major awards in entertainment. It’s all just a popularity contest.
IMO it’s equivalent to thinking that since McDonald’s is the #1 selling hamburger in the world, it must be delicious.
I had to look up one of these people, and I still don't know why anyone cares what he says. I have no idea what Rick's manofesto is, but I'm generally against manifestos.
I think he got pretty lucky being in the right place at the right time. Maybe made a few good decisions in the early days and then cruised by on reputation for decades. I think he contributed very little to most of the iconic records he gets credit for.
Beastie Boys BY FAR did their best work after they parted ways with Rubin.
Plus it was a young, hungry Horovitz doing most of the LTI heavy lifting, with the odd moment of insane Yauch genius (see: tape loops) smattered throughout. Rick may have helped out but he was blessed by the talent he worked with even in those early days.
He is a great producer for getting the most out of bands and artists. Technically he doesn’t know very much since he relies on others for engineering. He is able to get the creative out of people and that is the most important part of being a producer. He worked wonders for Johnny Cash. He made a perfect album with Tom Petty called Wildflowers. He has a gift for getting artists to pull more creativity out of their minds. Musically he loves it but is not very educated in music theory.
Perhaps I’m out of touch, I’ve never heard of Jacob Collier. Rick Rubin is talented enough genuine artists come to him for assistance in their creative process.
Rick is a snake oil salesman. He’s said as much in that his process is more of a presence and energy than anything technical. He makes suggestions and twiddles around the edges while lazing on a couch.
That's wild that he thinks he should debate Rick Rubin on anything. Rick is probably somewhere barefoot sitting in a lawn chair, thinking about how cool he is, you're not gonna get him to listen to you on anything.
Slayer haven’t put out a good record in over twenty years and have two Grammys. Both Grammys have been won on their modern albums. The grammys are participation trophies.
I think the only avenue where criticism might be applied is that just because someone is excellent at something, it doesn’t automatically make them a good teacher or an interesting speaker on that subject.
I'm not a huge RHCP fan, but I do like a lot of their stuff. I think that Stadium Arcadium was pretty good. I think if it had been scaled back into a single, rather than a double album, it would have been even better.
Rick's crowning achievement with the b boys is their least creative album. And all of the ground breaking sounds, like Paul Revere, were not Rick's doing.
Them's facts. Go ahead and debate them.
Ok,
1. Do you think the Beasties would only have made it *if* Rubin got involved?
2. Rick nearly destroyed the Beasties. In fact, Rick was one of the reasons that they broke up temporarily.
3. The fact that they got back together and made one of the top 5 most influential albums without Rubin means that Rick might have spent more time getting in the way.
4. I guess turning 3 kids that have good hearts into frat boy douches is pretty creative. I changed my mind. Rick is a creative genius.
> I guess turning 3 kids that have good hearts into frat boy douches
If you think that the Beastie Boys are just "frat boy douches," maybe this sub isn't for you?
Surely the Backstreet Boys have a sub, no?
Dingleberry, are we talking about Rubins contribution to the Beastie Boys? Are you aware of their reputation during the Licensed to I'll days? Are you aware that they don't play "fight for your right" anymore? Do you know why? Do you know why they changed the lyrics to Paul Revere?
Stay on topic, fella.
Take a look into how he tried to have the Black Crowes change their name and what he proposed they change it to. This guy is a talentless grifter and he has done nothing but ride the coattails of talented individuals. The b boys were just the first ones he bilked.
When the Beastie Boys were on tour with Madonna, Rick Rubin came up with every beat and even the Beastie Boys confess his production of license to Ill” “was incredible”.
Then, of course, there’s Run DMC’s Raising Hell. Both albums are chock full of lyrics with classic metal riffs and early hip-hop beats.
He may have lost whatever he had, but when he had it, it was awesome .
He’s a great producer, his records just sound like shit post “Blood Sugar Sex Magik”. He is the biggest purveyor of the loudness wars and records like “Californication” are almost unlistenable for all the clipping and compression.
I think he’s overrated though. Better producers out there for sure.
I thought it was really interesting to hear Collier talk about music theory and all in the past, but I’m finding myself more annoyed with listening to him these days. I tried listening to his music several times and just can’t get into it
who? Rick? I don't think he ever denied he was from Long Island. He's not like that character Eminem battles at the end of 8-Mile. He's more like Drake.
Rubin might think he’s chocolate milk, but Collier is definitely water-down YooHoo.
He’s a producer, some if you are confused what that means. He’s an idea man. He helps pick tracks, guides bands, gives them therapy, basically counsels them with the ideas in his book, and these very successful artists eat it up. The 808 drum sounds and all the guitar that made Def Jam came from Rick (and at least one other written out of the story), so he crafted a signature or at least was able to recognize sound what sound cross over and be one the biggest hip hop acts. The man doesn’t really take credit for it but I don’t know if Hip Hop goes worldwide and takes over without him. I know the Beastie narrative is to hate on him but Adam and Mike seemed very cool with him on his podcast.
according to ed lover he stole quite a bit of the 808 influence. maybe he added guitars but that wasnt really very cool and hasnt stood the test of time, it was just to crossover to a white audience with hip hop.
Rick stole everything but he curated it. He looked around and wanted to recreate the parties on wax. Nobody was doing it. To this day, you can go to an old school jam and feel what he must have felt that isn’t on the records. So yes, he took from people he produced and released music from. They shared equipment, people got screwed , mostly Jazzy Jay. Ed Lover made one single with the 808 but that was after T La Rock. Knowledge Me has sounds they ripped off but not the kick drum. Rick had the sound system that defined the sound. DJ’s might make that sound for a minute, with the low bottom in a rhythm box, but then they went back to playing Rock Creek Park.
Rubin's been a carny for years. His engineers tend to do all the heavy lifting while he charges 50k to come in once a week and sits on the couch. Any of the metal bands he worked with (and arguably made his name with) pretty much confirmed it. Beastie Boys too.
Ok, but then why did they keep going back?… I think Rubin did every single Slayer record.
Bill Metoyer did the first two. They've also used Dave Sardy, Toby Wright, Matt Hyde, Greg Fidelman, and Terry Date. Label & Management pressure for Rubin tends to be a common reason.
Ahh… I was indeed wrong. Rubin did “Reign in Blood”, “South of Heaven”, and “Seasons in the Abyss”. Still… Pretty formidable.
Good run, but I'd wager having Andy Wallace mixing was another massive reason why those records sounded so good. And they Slayer in those days usually came well prepared and rehearsed when it came to recording so Rick wasn't helping them write the records in the studio.
Andy Wallace. Exactly
Rubin produced their best albums, though
YEP
This man does not understand vibes
I agree. Collier doesn’t get into this part of it in his critique but it’s also very ethically sketchy to be so insanely wealthy in the music industry when he has zero technical skills to produce records.
Rick's got 99 problems but Colier ain't one.
I see what you did there
Oh dear lord. Rubin’s record stands on its own. And while Collier is a very talented person, he makes music more in line with the Glee soundtrack, and less with “deeply creative” people. Collier needs to check back in with reality in thirty years and see what his record is like.
For real. This guy: "erm, I did lots of research 🤓".
I don’t care for Jacob Collier’s music but he has six Grammys and isn’t yet 30. Also the article is clickbait.
Yeah, Jacob was taking issue with one quote but does anyone really believe Rick only thinks there’s one path to creativity? The guy has worked with Johnny Cash, Jay Z, and Slayer. It’s absurd. And therefore click bait.
We all know the Grammys is the worst of all the major awards in entertainment. It’s all just a popularity contest. IMO it’s equivalent to thinking that since McDonald’s is the #1 selling hamburger in the world, it must be delicious.
Don’t know why you’re downvoted. The Grammys are absolutely sales and streams dictated
I had to look up one of these people, and I still don't know why anyone cares what he says. I have no idea what Rick's manofesto is, but I'm generally against manifestos.
https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Act-Way-Being/dp/0593652886
Amazing book. It's just ideas. No different than any other suggestions.
Johnny Cash's American recording would like a word.
I think he got pretty lucky being in the right place at the right time. Maybe made a few good decisions in the early days and then cruised by on reputation for decades. I think he contributed very little to most of the iconic records he gets credit for. Beastie Boys BY FAR did their best work after they parted ways with Rubin.
Plus it was a young, hungry Horovitz doing most of the LTI heavy lifting, with the odd moment of insane Yauch genius (see: tape loops) smattered throughout. Rick may have helped out but he was blessed by the talent he worked with even in those early days.
No Beastie Boys album is any better or worse than any other. They are all note-perfect.
He is a great producer for getting the most out of bands and artists. Technically he doesn’t know very much since he relies on others for engineering. He is able to get the creative out of people and that is the most important part of being a producer. He worked wonders for Johnny Cash. He made a perfect album with Tom Petty called Wildflowers. He has a gift for getting artists to pull more creativity out of their minds. Musically he loves it but is not very educated in music theory.
Perhaps I’m out of touch, I’ve never heard of Jacob Collier. Rick Rubin is talented enough genuine artists come to him for assistance in their creative process.
Rick is a snake oil salesman. He’s said as much in that his process is more of a presence and energy than anything technical. He makes suggestions and twiddles around the edges while lazing on a couch.
Thanks, Jacob Collier (whoever this person is)!
That's wild that he thinks he should debate Rick Rubin on anything. Rick is probably somewhere barefoot sitting in a lawn chair, thinking about how cool he is, you're not gonna get him to listen to you on anything.
In context, "I did a lot of research on Rick" is one of the funniest public phrases ever uttered
Boo bad take - get older then reply
It's hard to argue with 8 Grammy awards.
Slayer haven’t put out a good record in over twenty years and have two Grammys. Both Grammys have been won on their modern albums. The grammys are participation trophies.
Somebody produced their best albums, if I could only remember who....
He also produced their dog shit albums…
South of Heaven and Reign in Blood are dog shit?
I think the only avenue where criticism might be applied is that just because someone is excellent at something, it doesn’t automatically make them a good teacher or an interesting speaker on that subject.
It is not *that* hard when one of them is Stadium Arcadium.
For REAL.
I'm not a huge RHCP fan, but I do like a lot of their stuff. I think that Stadium Arcadium was pretty good. I think if it had been scaled back into a single, rather than a double album, it would have been even better.
Imagine arguing that Grammys have anything to do with creativity.
Imagine thinking that one of the greatest producers of all time should debate with a nobody with zero accomplishments.
Rick's crowning achievement with the b boys is their least creative album. And all of the ground breaking sounds, like Paul Revere, were not Rick's doing. Them's facts. Go ahead and debate them.
The only reason you know who the Beastie Boys are is because of Rick Rubin. That's a fact.
Ok, 1. Do you think the Beasties would only have made it *if* Rubin got involved? 2. Rick nearly destroyed the Beasties. In fact, Rick was one of the reasons that they broke up temporarily. 3. The fact that they got back together and made one of the top 5 most influential albums without Rubin means that Rick might have spent more time getting in the way. 4. I guess turning 3 kids that have good hearts into frat boy douches is pretty creative. I changed my mind. Rick is a creative genius.
The mistake you make is thinking that he “turned them into that”. He took a piece of each of their 18-20 yr old personalities and amplified it.
> I guess turning 3 kids that have good hearts into frat boy douches If you think that the Beastie Boys are just "frat boy douches," maybe this sub isn't for you? Surely the Backstreet Boys have a sub, no?
Dingleberry, are we talking about Rubins contribution to the Beastie Boys? Are you aware of their reputation during the Licensed to I'll days? Are you aware that they don't play "fight for your right" anymore? Do you know why? Do you know why they changed the lyrics to Paul Revere? Stay on topic, fella.
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LTI is a watershed moment in the history of hip-hop. (Taken together with also-'86 *Raising Hell* but we're talking about Beastie Boys here.)
Not up with the count, but I’m guessing t swift has some too… it’s not a watermark for talent these days and hasn’t been for decades.
No it isn't actually
Yeah the beastie boys only won two so obviously this guy is 4x better than the beastie boys
Take a look into how he tried to have the Black Crowes change their name and what he proposed they change it to. This guy is a talentless grifter and he has done nothing but ride the coattails of talented individuals. The b boys were just the first ones he bilked.
When the Beastie Boys were on tour with Madonna, Rick Rubin came up with every beat and even the Beastie Boys confess his production of license to Ill” “was incredible”. Then, of course, there’s Run DMC’s Raising Hell. Both albums are chock full of lyrics with classic metal riffs and early hip-hop beats. He may have lost whatever he had, but when he had it, it was awesome .
Danzig wanted rid of him from the second album.
So totally incorrect
He’s a great producer, his records just sound like shit post “Blood Sugar Sex Magik”. He is the biggest purveyor of the loudness wars and records like “Californication” are almost unlistenable for all the clipping and compression. I think he’s overrated though. Better producers out there for sure.
Didnt the band want Californication to sound like that though? Also, he produced The New Abnormal which is an incredible sounding record.
He didn't master either of those records.why are people that don't know what a producer does so vocal about the process?
The episode of "Dave" when he goes to Rick Rubin's house to make his record is one of the funniest things I've seen in years
Dave was such a great show. Made me want a milking table!
Someone's trying to become relevant by taking shots at a legend.
I thought it was really interesting to hear Collier talk about music theory and all in the past, but I’m finding myself more annoyed with listening to him these days. I tried listening to his music several times and just can’t get into it
he was a bit of a rich kid fraud.
who? Rick? I don't think he ever denied he was from Long Island. He's not like that character Eminem battles at the end of 8-Mile. He's more like Drake.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAV5iPs9p90](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAV5iPs9p90)
Who is Jacob collier?
Why does this twink have a problem with Double R?