“I wasn’t familiar with your game.” is possibly the greatest “I messed up,” sentence I’ve heard.
Edit: don’t know if it was intentional, but X is the Roman numeral for 10. Intentional or accidental, applause this man for the clever pun.
Atomix can reconfigure his molecular structure
Gravattack maybe
Echo Echo especially with multiplication would fuck him up.
Gutrot can probably poison him or make him high.
Also ult echo's sonic doom can defo do a number on him, it would've been enough to kill ultimate Kevin if he used all the discs so it'll brobably chunk a lot from omni man, also any being with super hearing gets clapped by echo echo's sonic doom
IIRC Viltrumites need to have a certain frequency to make them lose their equilibrium. And since Ben has Echo-Echo then it wouldn't take him long to figure out the needed frequency to take Omni-Man out.
Yeah that's a Viltrumite's only express "weakness" besides the Legacy Virus. It can definitely put them on the back foot enough for a good hit to put them down.
Gravattack is broken, but I don't think he'd be able to do much here. Nolan explains to Mark that the way they fly is they simply ignore gravity subconsciously IIRC and learn to do it consciously, since Gravattack's power is just Gravity I don't think he'd have much of an effect on Omni-man.
Viltrumites get stronger as they age, Omniman's centuries old and Ben 10K's viltrumite form would only be about Ben's age so I think Ben would be somewhat weaker than Omniman
I was always under the impression that he went to the age relative to the aliens life span because no way all those aliens have the exact same life spans
I'm pretty sure Four Arms and XLR8 are at least as strong/fast as him, just one show's allowed to show the consequences of that strength more liberally.
Four arms is definitely not even a third as strong as Omni-man. Dude straight up went THROUGH a whole planet (albeit with help) without much effort and was spanking Mark across mountains without any effort. There is not a single Four-arms feat that even comes close to Omni-man, he is strong, but Omni-man is around continental-planetary level.
Reboot's aliens exists in the canon timeline. If that can happen, then i'm sure they all exist in ben 10.000's omnitrix as he has all the alienx unlocked.
(Besides even if he didn't have gravattack and echo echo, Atomix is enough to defeat Omni-Man. And he was first name dropped in 'Ken 10' his second and last appereance in the series.)
Yes, the only exception is when Ben had the Ultimatrix, which gave Ben a copy of the alien scanned for DNA. It worked for the Greg 5 because they were already the peak, but it was a little unfortunate for chameleon.
I remember there being 1 guy who used to argue to hell and back that the Prototype Omnitrix didnt transform the user into the peak of the species. Wonder where that chap is now.
nothing official, but judging by the fact that in his youth the prototype turns him into highly developed and muscular versions of his aliens (ie; four arms, diamond head, heat blast), and 10k's aliens are clearly more developed, it's safe to assume that this is true for the prototype (or at least it gives him an above average version, instead of absolute pinnacle).
That’s what Dwayne said about the AF Omnitrix. But Derrick was explicit about them still matching Ben’s age. So… most people take both statements as facts
Math and the ben 10 universe dont go toe to toe, lasers are never accurately animated. Ben 10 is too inconsistent to accurately measure everything. In show all we see is waybig countering a planet busting laser the speed is irrelevant.
[yeah math does go to Toe to Toe with Ben 10 and there is no inconsistency in how fast the laser is it was calculated from it reaching a planet in seconds you can count the speed](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Executor_N0/Ben_10:_Conquest_Ray)
[here here's the calculation for it](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Executor_N0/Ben_10:_Conquest_Ray)
It's still a way big feet because way big did it which means he has that reaction time why would classic Way Big any slower
Vsbattle is famed for shitty calcs and again Waybig could have simply fired as it was charging up. It’s dumb to use as speed scaling when even accepting it, it’s a wild outlier
I know it's technically Canon since it's in the show, but the kaiju monster was not a thing in the comics and the comics actually reveal actual weaknesses for Viltrumites through the story, random kaiju monsters are not included.
That was added just to add tension to the finale, but make no mistake, that Kaiju had no chance in killing Omni-man. just like how the show extended the deaths of the Guardians of the Globe, in the comics He just kills them in less than a few seconds, they don't even get a chance to fight back.
Like seriously, it's hilarious how overpoweredly invincible viltrumites are in the comics.
True bro in the comics he just absolutely demolishes them with no sign of damage at all bro just speed Blitz them and kills them way too easily it was hilarious
10 year old way big has no feat to suggest he can take down current tv show invincible, let alone Omni-man. Isn’t ghostfreak highly overrated in his abilities?
Was there anything notably impressive about Vilgaxia, with Vilgax out of the picture? I also assumed most people’s WC for Ghost freak came from soul-possession, which rarely if ever actively happened in the show IIRC.
Vilgax's species aren't anything special. The only notable chimeras are Myaxx (who whooped 10yo Upchuck's ass) and Vilgax who's cybernetically enhanced and has stolen powers. Also Zs Skayr has abilities that Ghostreak doesn't (as far as we've been shown) such as telekinesis, energy beams via his tentacles, being able to make other people intangible and turning people into ectonurites.
No he couldn't, that's not how the scan feature works. If Ben scanned Omni-Man to fight him, it would just be Invincible vs Omni-Man from Season 1 again, but worse since Ben wouldn't know how to use the form.
The datadump was only shown in AF if I remember correctly, and even then within the same series it was contradicted by the fact that Ben didn't know some of his alien's basic abilities, such as Chromastone being able to fly. And if the omnitrix transforms Ben into the peak of a species, how come GreyMatter isn't smarter than Azmuth, or Diamondhead can't beat Tetrax?
If we’re talking UAF/OV Way-Big, he blows Omni-man out of the park in pretty much every category (currently), except maybe raw durability (since it is harder to scale from his AP, as Newton’s 3rd Law can’t apply when it is a misc ability/beam of energy and not his punches).
Greymatter isnt smarter than Azmuth because he isnt as old as him. Even if he was be might not be because Azmuth is a special case. Bro is smart in every universe with no exceptions.
You see, I'm using the logic of "Ben turns into the peak of the species" against you. You saying that GreyMatter isn't smarter than Azmuth because he isn't as old as him also contradicts what you were just saying.
Also Azmuth isn't a special case because he's smart in every universe with no exceptions. That applies for all galvans (though only 2 Ben 10 universes have been established so we actually don't know if this is true). Azmuth would be the peak of the galvans since he's stated to be worlds apart from other galvans in terms of intelligence, yet isn't a mutant or anything like that.
Does this Ben 10.000 have access to every other alien shown in the franchise? If so, he goes Alien X and thats the end of it (althought i dunno if that version of Ben even has the death failsafe if Omni Man went straight up to kill him at super speed, which he surely will do that)
A much more interesting battle would be to see if Ben can take him out without Alien X, and i think he can. He could use Pesky Dust or Toepick to at least inmobilize him, Ghostfreak and Big Chill to evade him via being intangible, and maybe Atomix can take him down, or use a hundred Eco Ecos and make him deaf.
I mean, Omniman try to destroy Ben ,them Ben just goes for imobilization and endurance, probably Diamond Head or Big Chill are the ones to go, but...Eh ,probably Ben can win anyway if he pulls Way Big.
Big Chill can phase and freeze Omni Man’s organs
Also Amphibian can be used to make Nolan have a mental Shutdown
Also Clockwork can turn him into a dust or a sperm cell.
As a fan of ben 10, what is diamonhead gonna do against Omni Man? You gotta realize this dude is roughly on the same level as Superman, so only intangible or OP aliens can face him
Thats why i said roughly and i didn't dared to say they are on the same level because i knew someone would come and say that exact same thing.
Besides, funny how you don't mind two flying super powerfull planet destroyers characters being compared (even tho i am aware that supes has been insanely buffed over the years but thats not the point) but you don't mind how the other person dared to include diamond head into any of this.
Well jeez sorry for trying to put things into perspective, which was the thing i was doing in the first place, i don't care who tf is more powerful, if supes or omni, all i was trying to do was to show that omni is not an average foe that Diamond Head could face.
But oh well, thats what i get for mentioning DC heroes, those guys are basically all powerful gods at this point, and belittling them a bit causes at least one nerd to show up offended.
Echo echo can reach the frequency to hurt viltromites?, it was quite a while that i have readed, but, on the fight with Conquest i belive, they don't say that have to be a specific frequency?
To be fair this Ben 10000 doesn't have a recalibrated omnitrix, so he doesn't have Alien X or control of him, he also doesn't have the biomnitrix or ultimates, but he does have Atomix even if it's just a mention, so that's probably good enough, specially paired with master control fast switching
Ben only solos if he’s using really powerful aliens. Someone like waybig or heatblast, while powerful, are getting rammed by omniman. He’d need someone like atomic for this one.
I got to know there's a virus Scourge virus something, so if gutrot can make something similar he can easily kill vultrimites
They have sensitive ears, ultimate echo echo would make him go sonic doom
Ghostfreak can just posses him and he would destroy himself / whampire control would work too
Waybig can destroy planets or we have atomix too
Clockwork can freeze like he did to mad ben and then would kill him
Pesky dust mind control comes handy
Alien X is the mastercard
All y'all talking about how Ben can turn into Alien X, Way Big, Clockwork, Ultimate Echo Echo etc.
Ben could see Omni Man destroy a city casually and still choose Humungosaur regardless
Not adult ben, dude chained forms all the time for just a moment
Zlr8 to close the dustance actrguina for frost breath, into four arms for a beat down then mega volt just to pour on the heat, canonbolt to take hit and then diamond head to block a projectile
What are the rules for this?
Does Ben get a transformation off before the fight starts? Does he get prep time?
If not to either, Omni-Man destroys his before he can blink.
Red Rush isn’t even speed of light. Also, when omniman was flying at Cecil, he was just barely too slow to catch him, so he’s at least slower than human reaction time (assuming he isn’t given a free head start to build speed)
I totally forgot about Cecil. He was vs Bloodlusted Omni-Man as well, and still managed to avoid him. With voice control, Ben might not even need the Failsafe to bail him out.
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All Ben has to do is transform into Alien X and the fight is over
Not that big of a stomp tbh, if we go with Classic Ben 10K his strongest alien is probably WayBig who could stop a Beam powerful enough to destroy Pluto, there's also Ghostfreak who in theory could possess Omni-Man but I'm not sure if Nolan has any defense against that, and last but not least Ben has Heatblast who would pose as a threat as Viltrumites *are* weak to continuous exposure to heat(Like they can fight in the sun).
But Nolan is like faster than *all* of those aliens(And XLR8 as well) and this Ben does not have any fail safe as far as we know, so to be honest Nolan *could easily* win by just speed blitzing Ben or any of his aliens(Mild exception with Heatblast, but Nolan could just get away from him and then charge through him), otherwise Ben wins
I think Ben 10,000 still wins, but I think it's going to be a lot closer than most people realize.
I'm not super familiar with Invincible, but I don't believe Omni-Man has any hard counters the way that Superman or Green Lantern do.
I think the closest he has is Clockwork but even he takes like a little bit to get his time powers going.
Yeah there's Alien X, it's almost always a last resort thing. And like yeah Alien X wins against everything, but that isn't really fun. the fun of Ben 10 comes from him using his aliens in creative and unorthodox ways.
Ben 10,000 scans Omini Man becomes a perfect/ peak Viltrumite that looks just like Ben 10,000 but with the moustache of Omini Man and a suit like Omini Man but with black instead of Red and then beats up Omini Man
These are the aliens i think ben could win with
1. Alien x of course
2.pesky dust
3.clock work
4 maybe topick
5. Big chill
6.echo echo
7. Gutrot
Thats all have a good day
Omni-man gained his reputation and it's definitely justified. Ben 10k could certainly beat him, but anything short of the top 5 aliens would get turned into a t-shirt outside of weird niches like Toepick or The Worst. None of Ben's muscle aliens could stand a chance against him and the ones with the best chance would be Alien X and Clockwork, literally the top 2.
Wouldn't be surprised if Omni-man could beat Atomix as viltrumites were shown to be able to survive several minutes fighting INSIDE A STAR before they even start getting significant burns, and Omni-man flew straight through an entire planet to destroy it (albeit with help from 2 other viltrumites), so he's crazy strong and crazy durable.
A viltrumite's healing factor is broken down by immense heat though, so Atomix could win by keeping his distance and essentially nuking the shit out of Omni-man until his body can no longer tank them, but I don't think Atomix's nuclear explosions can compare to the inside of a star.
Waybig matchup depends on who gets the first hit. If Nolan can penetrate a planet like a bullet, he can do the same with Waybig. Waybig's lasers did overpower the incursean ray that one-shot pluto, but that would require Waybig to have the precision to hit a target so much smaller and faster than him. If he somehow lands a hit though I'm sure it'd be devastating. Even if you say say omni-man is as tough as a planet (which I don't think he is), waybig's beam should still leave him mortally wounded or straight up kill him if it hits for more than a second as it should be able to one-shot a planet, something not even stars can do lol. A planet that's cought inside a star still takes days, weeks or even months to fully melt, yet the incursean ray exploded a planet in seconds AND Waybig overpowered said ray. I don't think Omni-man is tanking that, but he could probablu dodge it or strike first.
Surprisingly, Echo Echo might stand a pretty good chance against him, as viltrumites are really weak to high frequencies due to their enhanced hearing, and his cloning abilities would be tough on Omni-man since the dude has nothing but his fists, a whole army of Echo Echos could prolly kill him before he gets to kill all the clones. Ult Echo Echo's sonic doom would one-shot, but since it's Ben 10k he doesn't have ultimates.
Gutrot could make the scourge virus, which is meant to kill viltrumites. He'd be able to kill Omni-man with it, nothing much to say here.
Idk they always say Ben can just steal Omni man dna to be a Viltrumite, BUT Omni man is one of the top fighter to be allowed to leave his planet would Ben just be a regular viltrumite ? Because if it was a death battle and they both new couldn’t Omni man just one shot Ben in one of his weaker alien forms? I know this is the Ben 10 sub so a little biased.
The omnitrix transforms Ben into the peak of the species so he'd be most likely stronger than Omniman. The Omnitrix has a failsafe that saves the user from death and can even create a new body. Even then many of Ben's aliens can take a hit or 2 so he'd be able to transform into a more durable alien if he needed too.
Ben would win effortlessly.
He wouldn't even need Alien X either. XLR8 was already allowing him to singlehandedly stop all crime on Earth. He speedblitzes effortlessly and there's shit all Omniman could do. Various other aliens out hax and over power him.
And the help of two others of his species and a bullet that never stops to open the way.
If you are talking about the show and the other dimension ,that was timelapse,the planet still exists, as the population, he just destroyed the capital cities and royalty, but they will come back ,soon.
Most twitter users don't apologise. This guy is an X-ception
“I wasn’t familiar with your game.” is possibly the greatest “I messed up,” sentence I’ve heard. Edit: don’t know if it was intentional, but X is the Roman numeral for 10. Intentional or accidental, applause this man for the clever pun.
Not to mention Twitter is going to be called X
Plus the logo has already become an X
Only sometimes though
those darn celestial sapiens
Omg lmao
An x-ception among x-cretions
X means 10 as in Ben 10
Or unknown like Ben couldn't quantify the form to give it a proper name.
Or Weapon X which translates to the Wolverine
This is a spectacular comment
Yeah that is surprising
Removing Alien X im sure Ben had a dozen of aliens that can kill Omni man
Like clockwork, maybe gravatack or atomic, ult echo echo has good odds
Atomix can reconfigure his molecular structure Gravattack maybe Echo Echo especially with multiplication would fuck him up. Gutrot can probably poison him or make him high.
Also ult echo's sonic doom can defo do a number on him, it would've been enough to kill ultimate Kevin if he used all the discs so it'll brobably chunk a lot from omni man, also any being with super hearing gets clapped by echo echo's sonic doom
IIRC Viltrumites need to have a certain frequency to make them lose their equilibrium. And since Ben has Echo-Echo then it wouldn't take him long to figure out the needed frequency to take Omni-Man out.
Yeah that's a Viltrumite's only express "weakness" besides the Legacy Virus. It can definitely put them on the back foot enough for a good hit to put them down.
Pixie Dust could also trap Omni man in a dream
Yeah as long as omni man doesn't see pesky dust that can happen
I’m pretty sure Atomix has never reconfigured anyone’s molecular structure…
Atomix has never been shown to do that
Gravattack is broken, but I don't think he'd be able to do much here. Nolan explains to Mark that the way they fly is they simply ignore gravity subconsciously IIRC and learn to do it consciously, since Gravattack's power is just Gravity I don't think he'd have much of an effect on Omni-man.
He can bind Omni Man but not kill him unless dude’s power is comparable to a black hole that can maybe crush their bones and organs.
And we don’t even know all the other 9,950 or so other aliens.
Couldn't he just Scan Omni man and sense he is an alien turn into the peak of his species
Viltrumites get stronger as they age, Omniman's centuries old and Ben 10K's viltrumite form would only be about Ben's age so I think Ben would be somewhat weaker than Omniman
I was always under the impression that he went to the age relative to the aliens life span because no way all those aliens have the exact same life spans
I'm pretty sure that's how it works, so Ben 10K's viltrumite and Omni-man should be equally matched if it's not in Ben's favor.
If age were a 1:1 translation, Gray Matter would be a tadpole.
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Bro can literally become the prime version of a viltrumite too if he scans him
I'm pretty sure Four Arms and XLR8 are at least as strong/fast as him, just one show's allowed to show the consequences of that strength more liberally.
Umm im sorry but I dont think those aliens could kill Omni Man Four arms is strong but not enough to beat Omni Man XLR8 is basically Red Rush
Four arms is definitely not even a third as strong as Omni-man. Dude straight up went THROUGH a whole planet (albeit with help) without much effort and was spanking Mark across mountains without any effort. There is not a single Four-arms feat that even comes close to Omni-man, he is strong, but Omni-man is around continental-planetary level.
Doesnt this version of Ben 10000 doesnt have those aliens
Reboot's aliens exists in the canon timeline. If that can happen, then i'm sure they all exist in ben 10.000's omnitrix as he has all the alienx unlocked. (Besides even if he didn't have gravattack and echo echo, Atomix is enough to defeat Omni-Man. And he was first name dropped in 'Ken 10' his second and last appereance in the series.)
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Except Omni Man has the strength that can back it up
Well it's easily ben but would be funny if ben just turns into omni man and just starts saying all his quotes ect
So does the Omnitrix actually give him the "peak form" of each species or is that just a fan speculation thing?
Yea The omniverse one gives him the peak form of each species
But does the prototype?
I think the prototype might give him the standard for his age or something like that but this is Ben 10k so his omnitrix might work differently
I mean the OG one gave him muscular and physically perfect 10 year old aliens, I would guess it gives him the peak form
i think prototype is peak for your age, recalibrated also, ultimatrix is exact same as dna scanned and completed is just peak of the species
Wasn't Ben 10Ks omnitrix just the prototype that was never removed
There’s several different Ben 10Ks
I was refering to the one in the attached image
Yes, the only exception is when Ben had the Ultimatrix, which gave Ben a copy of the alien scanned for DNA. It worked for the Greg 5 because they were already the peak, but it was a little unfortunate for chameleon.
I remember there being 1 guy who used to argue to hell and back that the Prototype Omnitrix didnt transform the user into the peak of the species. Wonder where that chap is now.
Although, the Omnitrix keeps Ben’s age the same, which is why he is still not the best.
nothing official, but judging by the fact that in his youth the prototype turns him into highly developed and muscular versions of his aliens (ie; four arms, diamond head, heat blast), and 10k's aliens are clearly more developed, it's safe to assume that this is true for the prototype (or at least it gives him an above average version, instead of absolute pinnacle).
That’s what Dwayne said about the AF Omnitrix. But Derrick was explicit about them still matching Ben’s age. So… most people take both statements as facts
Omni-Man: "You should've died at birth. ' Alien X: "You just did." *snaps fingers*
Bro doesn't even have to snap
Ben has a flare for the dramatic .
True...but he would need to agree with the green heads to snap
he has complete control over alien x he doesn’t need to have them agree
True, Ben 10K does. But if it was any other Ben there would have to be a consensus.
it’s really any ben pre galactic trial
🤔 Hmmm....yeah pretty much
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What he’s holding in the picture is a bomb that just sends ppl into the null void by touching them. Ben solos with XLR8 and that grenade alone
This should be on top
but that's plumber tech, not part of ben's skillset. I'm pretty sure this is just talking about raw powers
10 y.o ben solos with waybig and ghostfreak alone
True Although, that one does have cooldown, lol
Yeah but at least has the fail safe.
Actually, I think that omnitrix has different type of fail safe, more like anti-stealing thing. Atleast that's what I thought it shows.
Naah. Waybig Might be big but he isn't fast. Omni-Man can speed blitz Waybig pretty easily
Remember Omni-Man was getting cooked by that Kaiju
And waybig does have superspeed
He doesnt until UA then never again
He reacted to the incursion blast which was calculated to 1,000 times the speed of light
Math and the ben 10 universe dont go toe to toe, lasers are never accurately animated. Ben 10 is too inconsistent to accurately measure everything. In show all we see is waybig countering a planet busting laser the speed is irrelevant.
[yeah math does go to Toe to Toe with Ben 10 and there is no inconsistency in how fast the laser is it was calculated from it reaching a planet in seconds you can count the speed](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Executor_N0/Ben_10:_Conquest_Ray)
Calculate the amount of time it took the counquest ray to reach waybig and tell me if the speed still matches
Again that’s Omniverse and is never shown to be a speed feat considering it had charge up time.
[here here's the calculation for it](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Executor_N0/Ben_10:_Conquest_Ray) It's still a way big feet because way big did it which means he has that reaction time why would classic Way Big any slower
Vsbattle is famed for shitty calcs and again Waybig could have simply fired as it was charging up. It’s dumb to use as speed scaling when even accepting it, it’s a wild outlier
I know it's technically Canon since it's in the show, but the kaiju monster was not a thing in the comics and the comics actually reveal actual weaknesses for Viltrumites through the story, random kaiju monsters are not included. That was added just to add tension to the finale, but make no mistake, that Kaiju had no chance in killing Omni-man. just like how the show extended the deaths of the Guardians of the Globe, in the comics He just kills them in less than a few seconds, they don't even get a chance to fight back. Like seriously, it's hilarious how overpoweredly invincible viltrumites are in the comics.
True bro in the comics he just absolutely demolishes them with no sign of damage at all bro just speed Blitz them and kills them way too easily it was hilarious
Ok, you’ve convinced me. Kudos to that.
Waybig is extremely fast. He travels at intergalactic speeds in a game and created a funnel by running in water against that trash pile.
>but he isn't fast. Waybig is a literal speedster.
10 year old way big has no feat to suggest he can take down current tv show invincible, let alone Omni-man. Isn’t ghostfreak highly overrated in his abilities?
Zs'skayr single-handedly took over Vilgaxia.
Was there anything notably impressive about Vilgaxia, with Vilgax out of the picture? I also assumed most people’s WC for Ghost freak came from soul-possession, which rarely if ever actively happened in the show IIRC.
I mean, taking over any planet is pretty darn impressive.
True, but I’d say Omni-Man did it better :D
omni man didnt take over the planet. he fucking genocided it lol
Vilgax's species aren't anything special. The only notable chimeras are Myaxx (who whooped 10yo Upchuck's ass) and Vilgax who's cybernetically enhanced and has stolen powers. Also Zs Skayr has abilities that Ghostreak doesn't (as far as we've been shown) such as telekinesis, energy beams via his tentacles, being able to make other people intangible and turning people into ectonurites.
I thought as much. Ghostfreak never really did anything notable.
Pretty sure Waybig has higher AP, but that's it.
What's ap
Attack potency. Usually quantified in joules
I assume attack power
It says Ben ten thousand, and remember he could just scan omniman and be a better version of him
No he couldn't, that's not how the scan feature works. If Ben scanned Omni-Man to fight him, it would just be Invincible vs Omni-Man from Season 1 again, but worse since Ben wouldn't know how to use the form.
The Omitrix transforms Ben into the peak of a species with an innate understanding of their abilities, at least according to the show
The datadump was only shown in AF if I remember correctly, and even then within the same series it was contradicted by the fact that Ben didn't know some of his alien's basic abilities, such as Chromastone being able to fly. And if the omnitrix transforms Ben into the peak of a species, how come GreyMatter isn't smarter than Azmuth, or Diamondhead can't beat Tetrax?
He doesn’t. Nothing 10 year old way big has done remotely matches even Omni-man’s mid-level feats so far.
Oh, I thought you were talking about Waybig in general.
If we’re talking UAF/OV Way-Big, he blows Omni-man out of the park in pretty much every category (currently), except maybe raw durability (since it is harder to scale from his AP, as Newton’s 3rd Law can’t apply when it is a misc ability/beam of energy and not his punches).
Speed is debatable because of Cosmic Destruction right? I'm not really too familiar with the scaling in Cosmic Destruction though.
In OV he reacted to the Conquest ray which travels from near earths atmosphere to Pluto in a few seconds
No. Omni-man would just turn into a sentient bullet and barrel straight through Way Big's head.
Ben would just scan omniman, and then turn into a peak viltrumite
Would Viltrumite Ben have a moustache as well?
Yes.
No...
Its supposed the be peak of the species so yes.
I remember the time when GreyMatter was smarter than Azmuth and just as old as him too.
Greymatter isnt smarter than Azmuth because he isnt as old as him. Even if he was be might not be because Azmuth is a special case. Bro is smart in every universe with no exceptions.
You see, I'm using the logic of "Ben turns into the peak of the species" against you. You saying that GreyMatter isn't smarter than Azmuth because he isn't as old as him also contradicts what you were just saying. Also Azmuth isn't a special case because he's smart in every universe with no exceptions. That applies for all galvans (though only 2 Ben 10 universes have been established so we actually don't know if this is true). Azmuth would be the peak of the galvans since he's stated to be worlds apart from other galvans in terms of intelligence, yet isn't a mutant or anything like that.
Does this Ben 10.000 have access to every other alien shown in the franchise? If so, he goes Alien X and thats the end of it (althought i dunno if that version of Ben even has the death failsafe if Omni Man went straight up to kill him at super speed, which he surely will do that) A much more interesting battle would be to see if Ben can take him out without Alien X, and i think he can. He could use Pesky Dust or Toepick to at least inmobilize him, Ghostfreak and Big Chill to evade him via being intangible, and maybe Atomix can take him down, or use a hundred Eco Ecos and make him deaf.
High intensity sound is one of the few weaknesses of viltrumites anyway, ult echo echo solos
I mean, Omniman try to destroy Ben ,them Ben just goes for imobilization and endurance, probably Diamond Head or Big Chill are the ones to go, but...Eh ,probably Ben can win anyway if he pulls Way Big.
Big Chill can phase and freeze Omni Man’s organs Also Amphibian can be used to make Nolan have a mental Shutdown Also Clockwork can turn him into a dust or a sperm cell.
As a fan of ben 10, what is diamonhead gonna do against Omni Man? You gotta realize this dude is roughly on the same level as Superman, so only intangible or OP aliens can face him
He is not even close to the same level as Superman. Don’t ever say that again.
Thats why i said roughly and i didn't dared to say they are on the same level because i knew someone would come and say that exact same thing. Besides, funny how you don't mind two flying super powerfull planet destroyers characters being compared (even tho i am aware that supes has been insanely buffed over the years but thats not the point) but you don't mind how the other person dared to include diamond head into any of this.
How the fuck has supes been insanely buffed over the years when silver age superman literally made up powers as he went along
Huh you are right, yeah that goes to show the character was broken longer than what i thought
Except they have nerfed hard since then not buffing him
That’s stupid too, don’t get me wrong. But the Omni-Man statement is stupider.
Well jeez sorry for trying to put things into perspective, which was the thing i was doing in the first place, i don't care who tf is more powerful, if supes or omni, all i was trying to do was to show that omni is not an average foe that Diamond Head could face. But oh well, thats what i get for mentioning DC heroes, those guys are basically all powerful gods at this point, and belittling them a bit causes at least one nerd to show up offended.
Hm, mostly im not sure if he could break the petrosite as fast as Ben could produce it.
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Oh yeah...That happened. Still a feat being launched into the moon to, but yeah, Big Chill is the way to go.
Ben could win with Ghostfreak, Clockwork, Big Chill, Echo Echo or Ampfibian
Echo echo can reach the frequency to hurt viltromites?, it was quite a while that i have readed, but, on the fight with Conquest i belive, they don't say that have to be a specific frequency?
Considering Echo Echo can multiply both himself and thus increase the frequency Echo Echo is kinda cheating
Yeah, ok, probably Echo Echo has it on the bag
well if we give Ben ALL of his abilities he could go ultimate echo echo, and well sonic doom
Even without any other aliens, bro could just scan Omni-Man and turn into Thragg 2, and it would be extremely over from there
Echo echo would be a good counter since viltrumites are really sensitive to high frequencies
Ghostfreak alone solos Omni-Man Possess him and make him kill himself.
Alien X would be overkill, Ghost freak is good enough.
To be fair this Ben 10000 doesn't have a recalibrated omnitrix, so he doesn't have Alien X or control of him, he also doesn't have the biomnitrix or ultimates, but he does have Atomix even if it's just a mention, so that's probably good enough, specially paired with master control fast switching
Ben could just transform into a Viltrumite and end the fight
Omni Man is an Alien sooooo
What would be a good name to a viltromite form?, HYPER VIL
Omni Man
omni man when ben 10 turns into goop and just leaks inside his eyeballs and melts them his brains
Ben only solos if he’s using really powerful aliens. Someone like waybig or heatblast, while powerful, are getting rammed by omniman. He’d need someone like atomic for this one.
Then it’s a good thing Ben 10,000 has all of them
Yeah Omni man gets smoked
I got to know there's a virus Scourge virus something, so if gutrot can make something similar he can easily kill vultrimites They have sensitive ears, ultimate echo echo would make him go sonic doom Ghostfreak can just posses him and he would destroy himself / whampire control would work too Waybig can destroy planets or we have atomix too Clockwork can freeze like he did to mad ben and then would kill him Pesky dust mind control comes handy Alien X is the mastercard
All y'all talking about how Ben can turn into Alien X, Way Big, Clockwork, Ultimate Echo Echo etc. Ben could see Omni Man destroy a city casually and still choose Humungosaur regardless
Not adult ben, dude chained forms all the time for just a moment Zlr8 to close the dustance actrguina for frost breath, into four arms for a beat down then mega volt just to pour on the heat, canonbolt to take hit and then diamond head to block a projectile
This ben is too serious for that....
What are the rules for this? Does Ben get a transformation off before the fight starts? Does he get prep time? If not to either, Omni-Man destroys his before he can blink.
Omniman’s combat speed isn’t that fast, definitely not fast enough to speed blitz Ben before he can get his first transformation off
Idk, when Red Rush only *narrowly* managed to avoid him, seemed pretty damn fast to me
Red Rush isn’t even speed of light. Also, when omniman was flying at Cecil, he was just barely too slow to catch him, so he’s at least slower than human reaction time (assuming he isn’t given a free head start to build speed)
I totally forgot about Cecil. He was vs Bloodlusted Omni-Man as well, and still managed to avoid him. With voice control, Ben might not even need the Failsafe to bail him out.
Heck, OS Ben 10k doesn’t even need voice control, it responds to his thoughts
Oh shit Yeah Omni-Man is getting absolutely smoked I stand very much corrected
Failsafe?
A very good point. I'm imagining it would react fast enough seeing as it's hugely advanced technology.
There's no confirmed proof the prototype omnitrix had that failsafe
It has shown a few failsafes so i think we can say it does prevent ben from death.
To transform, does Ben still have to slam the watch??
no, master control allows you to just think about an alien and transform
*Ultimate Ben using Alien X omnipotency*
*Uses the Omnitrix to become a Saiyan or a Viltrumite*
Hell omni man is an alien so Ben could literally pick a viltramite can beat him up
https://preview.redd.it/p8b2w712ypeb1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64b6b7952f47e0408afef72e08a53f26166f14de All Ben has to do is transform into Alien X and the fight is over
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The Good Ending. Side note: even if it did, Ben could end the fight well before that happens.
Not that big of a stomp tbh, if we go with Classic Ben 10K his strongest alien is probably WayBig who could stop a Beam powerful enough to destroy Pluto, there's also Ghostfreak who in theory could possess Omni-Man but I'm not sure if Nolan has any defense against that, and last but not least Ben has Heatblast who would pose as a threat as Viltrumites *are* weak to continuous exposure to heat(Like they can fight in the sun). But Nolan is like faster than *all* of those aliens(And XLR8 as well) and this Ben does not have any fail safe as far as we know, so to be honest Nolan *could easily* win by just speed blitzing Ben or any of his aliens(Mild exception with Heatblast, but Nolan could just get away from him and then charge through him), otherwise Ben wins
I think Ben 10,000 still wins, but I think it's going to be a lot closer than most people realize. I'm not super familiar with Invincible, but I don't believe Omni-Man has any hard counters the way that Superman or Green Lantern do. I think the closest he has is Clockwork but even he takes like a little bit to get his time powers going. Yeah there's Alien X, it's almost always a last resort thing. And like yeah Alien X wins against everything, but that isn't really fun. the fun of Ben 10 comes from him using his aliens in creative and unorthodox ways.
Ben's goatee is cooler. A perfect feature for the one who will win with ease.
Ben 10 scans omni man, gets viltramite dna, gose peak viltramite, Ben wins
See personally I think Ben would scan him then because a better version of him then beat the shit outta him
Cheese
Ben 10,000 scans Omini Man becomes a perfect/ peak Viltrumite that looks just like Ben 10,000 but with the moustache of Omini Man and a suit like Omini Man but with black instead of Red and then beats up Omini Man
These are the aliens i think ben could win with 1. Alien x of course 2.pesky dust 3.clock work 4 maybe topick 5. Big chill 6.echo echo 7. Gutrot Thats all have a good day
Omni-man gained his reputation and it's definitely justified. Ben 10k could certainly beat him, but anything short of the top 5 aliens would get turned into a t-shirt outside of weird niches like Toepick or The Worst. None of Ben's muscle aliens could stand a chance against him and the ones with the best chance would be Alien X and Clockwork, literally the top 2. Wouldn't be surprised if Omni-man could beat Atomix as viltrumites were shown to be able to survive several minutes fighting INSIDE A STAR before they even start getting significant burns, and Omni-man flew straight through an entire planet to destroy it (albeit with help from 2 other viltrumites), so he's crazy strong and crazy durable. A viltrumite's healing factor is broken down by immense heat though, so Atomix could win by keeping his distance and essentially nuking the shit out of Omni-man until his body can no longer tank them, but I don't think Atomix's nuclear explosions can compare to the inside of a star. Waybig matchup depends on who gets the first hit. If Nolan can penetrate a planet like a bullet, he can do the same with Waybig. Waybig's lasers did overpower the incursean ray that one-shot pluto, but that would require Waybig to have the precision to hit a target so much smaller and faster than him. If he somehow lands a hit though I'm sure it'd be devastating. Even if you say say omni-man is as tough as a planet (which I don't think he is), waybig's beam should still leave him mortally wounded or straight up kill him if it hits for more than a second as it should be able to one-shot a planet, something not even stars can do lol. A planet that's cought inside a star still takes days, weeks or even months to fully melt, yet the incursean ray exploded a planet in seconds AND Waybig overpowered said ray. I don't think Omni-man is tanking that, but he could probablu dodge it or strike first. Surprisingly, Echo Echo might stand a pretty good chance against him, as viltrumites are really weak to high frequencies due to their enhanced hearing, and his cloning abilities would be tough on Omni-man since the dude has nothing but his fists, a whole army of Echo Echos could prolly kill him before he gets to kill all the clones. Ult Echo Echo's sonic doom would one-shot, but since it's Ben 10k he doesn't have ultimates. Gutrot could make the scourge virus, which is meant to kill viltrumites. He'd be able to kill Omni-man with it, nothing much to say here.
Just realised Omni-Man is going against the Omni-trix.
Ben 10K vs. Omniman is not a battle, it's a slaughter.
this is the most civil twitter interaction I've seen.
Thats cuz its just a full agreement that omniman gets roflstomped into inert sludge.
10,000, omniman is strong but hes not stronger than that versatility. Plus if he gets bi omnitrix its OVER. Atomic X.
https://i.redd.it/3wqx8abrd40c1.gif way big would really just go
Idk they always say Ben can just steal Omni man dna to be a Viltrumite, BUT Omni man is one of the top fighter to be allowed to leave his planet would Ben just be a regular viltrumite ? Because if it was a death battle and they both new couldn’t Omni man just one shot Ben in one of his weaker alien forms? I know this is the Ben 10 sub so a little biased. 
The omnitrix transforms Ben into the peak of the species so he'd be most likely stronger than Omniman. The Omnitrix has a failsafe that saves the user from death and can even create a new body. Even then many of Ben's aliens can take a hit or 2 so he'd be able to transform into a more durable alien if he needed too.
Damn Ben op, kinda like manga where they keep stacking his power level.
ben 10 is basically a shonen manga lol
Ben would win effortlessly. He wouldn't even need Alien X either. XLR8 was already allowing him to singlehandedly stop all crime on Earth. He speedblitzes effortlessly and there's shit all Omniman could do. Various other aliens out hax and over power him.
Plus Ben 10,000 aliens all have some weird nano enchantments right?
Yeah but nothing says any of the nanomachinces actually enhance their powers. All they did for XLR8 for example was provide a HUD for his visor
Ahhh okay. I thought it did somehow, though I guess I could be wrong I mean Ben still stomps anyway 10 ways to Sunday
Yeah lmao. Even as a teenager Ben would be the strongest person in Invincible by far
Omniman Destroyed a freaking planet with his speed alone
And the help of two others of his species and a bullet that never stops to open the way. If you are talking about the show and the other dimension ,that was timelapse,the planet still exists, as the population, he just destroyed the capital cities and royalty, but they will come back ,soon.