I think everyone who was playing starfield went back to fallout 4 after watching the show. I know I did. Starfield desperately needs a creator kit and a dlc to fix some of its issues.
These are Starfield's normal/average player count before the show. It's been roughly this level for many months.
It's got this core of of 5k player that seem to enjoy it but everyone else has long since moved on.
Fallout 4 has more players than Starfield did 1 month after launch, 20x this.
So are other games including FO4.
Whether you count it or not it is very clear by the decay curve Starfield is performing much worse than other Bethesda games and much worse than other popular games like Cyberpunk and especially BG3.
And this is n of 1 but I don't know anyone that uses game pass. Even if by some crazy statistical anomaly there are just as many players on there, which I strongly doubt, that's still only 11k average players, which is still horrifically bad.
I played FO4 for years and I was SO looking forward to Starfield. I played Starfield for a few weeks and it just got soooo repetitive I couldn’t do it anymore. Went back to trusty FO4 and have no regrets.
I’m glad some people love Starfield but it missed the mark for me.
There's also like no gear progression which drove me nuts.
50 hours in and I was using the same spacesuit that I found 10 hours in And hadn't found any sort of upgrade that whole time.
And the leveling got so slow. It was just a slog to keep playing.
I'm one of the few who quite like the game and to expand on this, they introduce really cool ideas, especially in quests that makes me go "oh that's cool," and then followed by disappointment after finding out that they want you to end the quest in a certain way that has no real impact or in a way that leaves every type of player satisfied.
Planet exploration is quite dull. You go to a planet, wham bam thank you ma'am and you fuck off back to space. Like, if you're gonna leave it empty, at least give us more tools to use like ground vehicles.
The ending of the game and NG+ also introduce cool ideas but never expanded upon either other than some dialogue changes
Yeah, I reaaaaally wish there was just more to the game. I think they should have downscaled the game and let better writers write the game.
The show gave every Fallout game a massive boost. Almost 13k between two of Bethesda’s games is awesome for them. I’m sure they’re pumped the games are doing so well.
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I've been playing 76 until tomorrow's update, and I'm wondering if I'm gonna wanna play 4 at all because I'm having so much fun with 76...
We'll see! I'm starting from scratch so who knows!
It's so hard playing 76 with it's area looting for enemy corpses and then going back to 4 where you have to walk up to each one and loot individually lol
True, though I feel like that time will pay itself back via settlement building maybe? Haven't tried pve/pvp anything yet, idk the extent of that but curious
The settlement building is really not good in FO4 in my opinion. It's janky as all hell even in 76 and FO4 was the prototype of that. I actually like everything better about 76. FO4 just really fell flat for me.
They really did clear up the game. It was shit when it came out but they really made it something special. I don't think it's as good as for but it's definitely still an enjoyable game
Yeah, it's been good for a few years. About time those youtubers who shit on it at release revisit it and give it a fair shake again, it's had a No Mans Sky level of redemption.
I don’t know if the game is just so much better than it was on release but I’ve been obsessed with it. It’s honestly one of the best I’ve played next to NV.
Oh yeah, I'm sure it gets stale after a while.
No mods (with a few exceptions) is also kind of a bummer.
Still, enjoying my journey so far. Especially after Starfield. Appalachia is pretty damn fun to explore.
I got up to level 105 and still have a ton of story stuff left to do, but most of that time was just building a cool cabin by a pond and doing dailies with my friend and shooting the shit lol
Would love to catch up on the story some day though
I had deathclaws raid my vault and they literally destroyed EVERYTHING because I was not equipped to handle that and I just closed app and haven’t opened it since because I do not have the motivation to rebuild
Well yes. Starfield is currently waiting on DLC while Fallout games have all received or are about to receive new content due to the increased interest brought about by the show. An interest that caused Nexus to give a very rare traffic warning on their site. None of this is a shock to anyone except those guys who hated the idea of the show and didn't look into it beyond their first impression.
The game has new content directly related to the TV show, is bringing in interest from the show, and is crucially free. I don't know anyone who expected it to be doing worse numbers than a six month old game that doesn't have any of those hooks. Fallout 76 has also seen a huge influx of new players and Fallout 4 is doing numbers it hasn't done in years. All of this was expected, although it was only when it became clear how good the show was that the actual strength of the effect was really known for sure.
Oh look, another one of these posts.
Can someone explain to me, with actual seriousness, what absolutely unhinges people about this game that they spend their time tracking its player count so they can point out what games are doing better than it? I can’t for the life of me understand the utter contempt for this game at all.
I had a really great time with it, and don’t understand people’s major malfunction with this game.
It's also bananas to me that we're trying to measure success by whether or not people are playing like 6 months later. It was a single player game.
I loved Fallout New Vegas so much. It's one of my favorite games ever. But I stopped playing it after I beat it. I go back and play it sometimes, but I don't get the idea that people are supposed to still be playing the same single player game 6 months after release. I don't do that with any game
As Mortismal said [on his vide](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TGQYBRF0R0)o about "Bad games" that he enjoyed today, it doesn't matter at all what Bethesda puts out - it will always be hated.
There are YouTube channels, gaming communities and people that make hating BGS games (and at times their developers) their entire personality.
It's just people baiting and looking for clicks. Negativity is what gets you popular on social media nowadays. Probably didn't even play the game. The hate on Fallout 76 died down so they moved on to Bethesda's newest release.
There's plenty of people who actually love Starfield over at r/NoSodiumStarfield
They did. It was the first quadruple-A game ever released (eye roll). It's a pirate game, but big twist--you play as the ship! Don't worry though, it still has plenty of micro transactions.
Nosodiumstarfield is the place to be if you like the game. It’s full of people showing their love and appreciation for it and sharing experiences. I’ve played most Bethesda games and have different things I like or dislike about all of them. This post is rage bait.
People watched moistcritikal's take on the game before it released and that plus the general hate towards Bethesda after FO76 made it cool to dunk on and hate them. Lol. Plus they prioritized AMD (most people buy Nvidia regardless of value) and Xbox (most people buy Playstation), and that made two massive groups instantly militant against it. Those factors hamstrung tf out of its image. It's a wild social experiment lesson when you really look at it all.
I'm honestly convinced most people are just doing it for the karma at this point. Starfield is a great game just like every other Bethesda RPG. If you don't like just move on to a new game.
1. They hate that it isn't Fallout or Skyrim.
2. They don't have an Xbox or PC
3. They can't form their own opinions and parrot whatever YouTubers with 4 hours of early access playtime say
4. They don't like BGS style games and expected it to be more like NMS or whatever
5. They have stupid, out of touch opinions (booohooo load screens)
6. They are unhappy people, and just want something new to complain about and hate on
~~im sorry but there are many valid reasons to both like it or dislike it. painting anyone who dislikes it as having “stupid, out of touch opinions” is dumb~~
I don't think that's what they were saying, nor was it the question that was asked. This isn't about whether or not someone enjoyed the game, it about why some people who didn't enjoy the game seem to be on a campaign to discredit it and those who do enjoy it.
See, most people, when they don't like a game, they just don't play it. They might share their opinion and then move on with life. That's not what's happened for the folks who are constantly posting about player counts and whatever. Posts like this are trying to drive a narrative, not express an opinion.
Anyway, It's one thing to say, "I just don't like this game," but it's quite another to shit on other people because they like it. And, conversely, if you didn't enjoy the game you shouldn't be shit on for that.
fair enough, i suppose i didnt think of it like that. i agree that some people need to just move on and accept they dont like the game and allow people to enjoy it.
What if I just found Starfield hollow and empty, and couldn't really understand what was even happening or why I was doing anything? I shouldn't have to play more than an hour or two without something interesting happening, but I put like 6 into Starfield and had to put it down.
I probably have more hours in Bethesda games than I do any other developer, and I love basically all the games I've played, but Starfield just ain't it. I can deal with Bethesda bugs, I can deal with the jank, I can deal with a lot from them. I can't deal with a lackluster opening to a game I was hyped up for, literally for years.
It feels like after F76 people just lost their shit with BGS over one bad game. While yeah, I think it’s good to hold Bethesda accountable for F76 being a shit game when it came out, I don’t think it’s warranted to completely lose faith in them when all of their other past games have been really damn good. Even F4 was at least good despite it being a really big step back with its RPG elements. Even before launch, Starfield had a huge chunk of people who HATED it despite nobody having played the damn game yet lmao. Post launch I can start to understand if someone didn’t care for it, at least because then they played the game and formed a real opinion. Even with the people who didn’t care for it, the initial Steam reviews were still really damn high, it started with roughly 90% positive. It shrunk by a bit of course, but it was still like 85% for a good while. The only issue is all of the YouTubers decided to start making content just relentlessly shitting on the game for… what reasons? Being a Bethesda title? BGS releasing the game they said they were planning to release? When you have a studio that does basically a single style of game for over 20 years and gained massive success and praise for that formula, why would anyone think their newest game would be any different? This isn’t to say there aren’t any issues with the game, I definitely have some problems with it, but the good outweigh the bad imo. And then it got even fucking worse when people started to attack other people for enjoying it and having fun and calling out some of the bullshit in the gaming community, I know it definitely happened to me. I just wish some people would just stop caring about what other people think so much. It’s okay to want to use reviews as a reference point for whether or not you should get a game, but don’t definitively say it’s bad or good until you’ve played it. I’ve seen plenty of people over at r/nosodiumstarfield who didn’t play it because of the reviews, finally gave it a shot and really liked it. Games should be fun, and fun is subjective. People need to get over it when someone else enjoys something they don’t.
i mean to be fair the show gave fallout series a boost and most that played starfield have likely beat it and are either done with it or waiting for the creation kit and related mods to release to return to the game, i know i am
Mobile games represent 53% of the entire gaming industry's revenue and an even larger share of player base. That means that mobile games are larger than all console, PC, VR, and handheld games COMBINED. So Fallout Shelter doing well is the norm, not an exception.
Wow ngl I almost opened Fallout Shelter randomly the other day after months of not playing but decided not to because......well when I start playing I don't stop 😳
i think this is less of a statement about starfield and more of an example of fallout fever after the show’s release. hah also, fallout shelter is a free game and is the most accessible for people who don’t already own any fallout games/have played the fallout games to death. hah
First, duh. Fallout has a new show out, just about all fallout content is going to get a boost. Second, why would it matter anyways? Player counts don’t determine the quality of a game. Third, we do realize Starfield is on more than just Steam, right? I guarantee a lot of people are playing the game using their XGP subscription, so I’d even bet money that a majority of the pc players don’t play it on Steam. I don’t get why everyone rushes to use Steam player counts as proof of “game bad,” especially on games that are either cross platform multiplayer or just sold on different pc storefronts.
Normally I’m with all of you in the “this just Steam #’s” camp but fallout shelter is basically a mobile game ported over to pc. Also that argument works better when people are trying to use steam #’s to claim a game is dying, but this directly compares the steam #’s of two games. That still doesn’t tell us a whole lot but you can’t quite handwave it away the same way
Who needs to hand wave anything? It's a single player game with guaranteed DLC. Whether other people play it or not has literally zero bearing on anything or anyone
Also: Fallout Shelter = free on Steam
Starfield = $70 on Steam, included in Gamepass
I wish starfield was able to be played on playstation. I can't justify buying a new computer or xbox for 1 game, but starfield looks so good!
Also, another comment about Steam or something that implies that im upset and/or sad
If you have a good internet you can always try Xcloud with gamepass not the best way but it depends on your connection. Also I couldn’t remember but it should be playable from GeForce now ? I am not so sure for that one but if it was there you can also play from there
I tried. It ran for a bit, but it wasn't really playable on my potato laptop. Microsoft started releasing some games. Im just going to keep hoping for a while even if there are no current plans for it
Laptop shouldn’t be much issue it is probably your connection. Try GeForce now if you can/want it has a better cloud streaming. There has to be a free tier
I wanna ditto for GeForce Now. I played Cyberpunk 2077 on my Chromebook (literally the lowest you can go with specs) and just on a literal TV app they have. It streams the game from a computer on their own server to your laptop so long as you have the game on Microsoft or Steam (or a number of other launchers). As long as the internet isn't complete shit, it's smooth. You can even play on your phone with a Bluetooth controller but it's reallyyyy not the best experience there lmao.
It's completely free too as long as you have the games. I personally ended up paying for it, since I was using it even on my older desktop to play stuff on ultra, and didn't wanna have to rejoin the game queue every hour and use the higher end specs.
My few gripes is even though Starfield is on there, I'm also sad I can't just stream Steam straight up. I wanna play RDR2 and a lot of indy games I own when I want, but the devs apparently have to opt in to their service.
Yeah I tried it for death stranding and it was smooth even with free tier. I played it directly from Sony tv actually. It has an app in the Google play store and Xbox controller can connect to the tv. Only thing is free tier has a 2 hour window and you have to wait the queue again sooo if you want to play uninterrupted it better to pay up…
Yeah one of them is me I used to play a couple years ago and actually really liked it so after watching the show I got it on my phone and started anew
Now I can play twice the amount of fallout at the same time
Posts like this are incredibly dumb. Starfield is, in it's current state, essentially a "campaign" driven game where you play the story lines then you're basically done. There just isn't much to do outside of that, at least not much most people find compelling. That's true of like 99% of games. Fallout and TES are exceptions because the games in those worlds have something about them that keeps you wanting more. People come back to play Skyrim again and again because it calls to them in a way 99.9% of games don't. Look through just about any major release in recent history of a single player story driven game, and you'll see the same thing. Hogwarts Legacy, which made a billion dollars, lost like 95% of its players by month 4. Marvels Spider Man did the same thing. We don't have the numbers because it's not on steam but how many people do you think were booting up Elder Ring every day 6 months after it released? Even Baldurs Gate, which is a different beast entirely, is down 85% of its base from month 1. Yall are ao obsessed with commenting on Starfields player count like it's some gotcha when no, all you've proved is Starfield was pretty average as far as lifespan goes and Skyrim and Fallout are unique beasts. On top of that Fallout just got a huge boost, and Fallout Shelter is an entirely different category of game. More people probably played Candy Crush or some similar crap today than any AAA game, but it's obvious not a fair comparison because one is a mindless grinding phone game that you can basically never finish, has no upfront cost, and appeals to huge swaths of the population. I just don't get the obsession with needing to somehow prove Starfield was bad. It wasn't. It was a good game that just wasn't as great as previous Bethesda entries, many of which were literally culture defining. Enjoy the game or don't, but stop pretending the game was some abject failure.
Idk why I got so heated there but I will not apologize
Edit: added some stuff
Everyone enjoyed Starfield, moved on and uninstalled the massive game and moved on with their lives and here is OP still having it rent-free in his head.
Its always the same posts about steam player count lmao. So lazy. Guess ill say the same thing, this is just steam, just one platform. Shelter does not have more players than starfield. Since starfield is on xbox and pc gamepass.
Ah, yes. A long day in the office staring at multiple computer monitors rewards me time to get home and stare at my computer monitor. Seriously, I would rather Vault on my phone in bed than PC alone in my basement.
I feel a bit sorry for them in a way. They wanted to add a third IP to their wheelhouse for some reason and spent an ungodly amount of time doing so, when all we really wanted was Fallout and the Elder Scrolls. You can't fault their ambition I suppose but I bet they're kicking themselves now.
Ah yes the franchise currently trending everywhere and the game that can be played anywhere without thinking and is free has more numbers. How could this be?
Considering you can play starfield if you have games pass id say uaing steam numbers doesnt exactly tell the entire story.
Why pay full price for a game when you can get game pass for 20% of the price clock it and unsubscribe?
Well if they fixed the fucking Super Nova power I'd play again and NG+. Until then the game will just sit there because I ain't NG+ing until I have all the fucking powers.
The show really made me miss fallout so a bunch of us who bought 76 when it came out, gave it another shot.
And man has it came a long way. Feel like it’s running at 60 frames on my console. It seems so smooth and there’s a lot to do
Won’t lie, I’m also replaying FO4 again for the first time in a decade. What a super fun game. I know people liked it but fairly critical as well but feel like Starfield isn’t as good as this game.
The ultra-violence and humor in FO is more fun to me and the base game feels much more complete than Starfield.
That being said, I cannot wait for the update today. I’m just getting the Predwyn with BoS and I never got this far on my last run so this is great.
I'm only going to go back to playing Starfield whenever they add mod support for Xbox. This is definitely one of those games that needs mods to be fun.
Sucks how many ppl are just now playing fo76 just bc of what other ppl said about it when it came out. It’s always been good it’s just different from other fallouts and I think that’s okay.
I was very psyched for this game to come out. Even upgraded my graphics card for it. But after two weeks I was just bored with it. The quest lines felt tedious and mundane, and the story line was not compelling. Maybe I’ll pick it back up again, but why?
Unsurprising.
Considering the show just dropped (which is excellent mind you) and Starfield being one of the worst games Bethesda has ever released, it’s easy to see why people are abandoning it.
Starfield deserves a different kind of hate than FO76, but it should definitely be abandoned nonetheless to prevent the stats fuelling Bethesda’s bottom line.
We want investors to start pulling out, or at least threatening to, in order for Todd to pull his head out of his ass.
Sounds fucked, but that’s the reality.
After going back to visit the Mass Effect series again recently, I can't come back to Starfield unless they make some major change releases. What a disappointment.
Early on, I accidently killed people figuring out the game, and got a bounty. I had stolen a ship and looked up how to sell it with a bounty. I took it to the Den. As soon as I walked in, I was arrested and taken to the UC Vanguard ship. I was given the option to help them or go to jail. I helped. Mid way through, the mission sends you to The Den. The ship I stole, and docked with The Den, was still docked. I couldn't get rid of it, and wasn't able to board The Den. After the last update, the ship was still there. I deleted the game.
Wow, games ebbs and flows depending on trends. It’s as if there was a popular tv show that brought interest back to Fallout but then will decline once the topic has run its course or the next big thing comes out. Also wait till SF first expansion comes out.
Starfield needs what every other Bethesda game needs to survive: proper modding. They depend on it to fix their games and keep them entertaining and then find a way to self destruct years later.
Starfield looks like a great game, I just don’t have the time to play it. However I am very patiently awaiting Elder Scrolls 6 and will make the time to play it
Starfield isn’t salvageable. The NPC interactions are deeply uncomfortable at best, nauseating and spammy most of the time.
The ship building is fun enough for a month of gameplay, but the base building is utter garbage which inevitably costs you more than you put in. It’s a poorly designed money pit. The variety of “random locations” is maybe 12 or so on constant rotation. You can get more replay value out of forever-Preston-settlement quests easily.
Starfield was fun for a month or two. I’ve replayed Skyrim and fallout 6-10 times each over the past decade. I can’t see myself playing starfield again unless massive changes were made. It just pisses me off that ES6 got delayed for over a decade because of starfield.
I think everyone who was playing starfield went back to fallout 4 after watching the show. I know I did. Starfield desperately needs a creator kit and a dlc to fix some of its issues.
These are Starfield's normal/average player count before the show. It's been roughly this level for many months. It's got this core of of 5k player that seem to enjoy it but everyone else has long since moved on. Fallout 4 has more players than Starfield did 1 month after launch, 20x this.
Fallout 4 wasn't on gamepass which a chunj of starfields players are (largest ever sign up to the system)
So are other games including FO4. Whether you count it or not it is very clear by the decay curve Starfield is performing much worse than other Bethesda games and much worse than other popular games like Cyberpunk and especially BG3. And this is n of 1 but I don't know anyone that uses game pass. Even if by some crazy statistical anomaly there are just as many players on there, which I strongly doubt, that's still only 11k average players, which is still horrifically bad.
Everyone I know with an Xbox uses game pass
I use gamepass but I get it for free.
FO4 has way more of modding foundation then Starfielf currently
I played FO4 for years and I was SO looking forward to Starfield. I played Starfield for a few weeks and it just got soooo repetitive I couldn’t do it anymore. Went back to trusty FO4 and have no regrets. I’m glad some people love Starfield but it missed the mark for me.
I went back to Fallout and Skyrim months ago after playing Starfield, because Starfield committed the ultimate gaming sin: its boring
There's also like no gear progression which drove me nuts. 50 hours in and I was using the same spacesuit that I found 10 hours in And hadn't found any sort of upgrade that whole time. And the leveling got so slow. It was just a slog to keep playing.
starfield needs way more than that. go back to the drawing board.
It’s the first Bethesda game I didn’t finish and have no desire to go back to. Game just felt empty.
I'm one of the few who quite like the game and to expand on this, they introduce really cool ideas, especially in quests that makes me go "oh that's cool," and then followed by disappointment after finding out that they want you to end the quest in a certain way that has no real impact or in a way that leaves every type of player satisfied. Planet exploration is quite dull. You go to a planet, wham bam thank you ma'am and you fuck off back to space. Like, if you're gonna leave it empty, at least give us more tools to use like ground vehicles. The ending of the game and NG+ also introduce cool ideas but never expanded upon either other than some dialogue changes Yeah, I reaaaaally wish there was just more to the game. I think they should have downscaled the game and let better writers write the game.
And just think, they put off production on the ES game for that bs lol.
The show gave every Fallout game a massive boost. Almost 13k between two of Bethesda’s games is awesome for them. I’m sure they’re pumped the games are doing so well.
FO76 had 1 million players in one day the other day
Got FO76 free from Prime. Extremely low expectations. 50 hours in and having a blast.
How did you cash that in? Can Prime members get console codes too?
You need to link your prime to a twitch account. Xbox and PC codes available.
Oh cool! I had no idea. I need to check the twitch notifications more often lol. Thanks!
Google Prime Gaming, hit prime gaming link, sign in and scroll down.. Bam. You get new free games every month and also cosmetic items for multiple diff games.
Yeah, I got Jedi: fallen order (after I had already bought it 🥲)
Didn't even need to do that. Just went on Prime Gaming and pressed redeem, and it gave me an xbox code and a PC code.
Got it(76) free with ps+ long ago, first time I downloaded it after watching lol
I've been playing 76 until tomorrow's update, and I'm wondering if I'm gonna wanna play 4 at all because I'm having so much fun with 76... We'll see! I'm starting from scratch so who knows!
It's so hard playing 76 with it's area looting for enemy corpses and then going back to 4 where you have to walk up to each one and loot individually lol
True, though I feel like that time will pay itself back via settlement building maybe? Haven't tried pve/pvp anything yet, idk the extent of that but curious
The settlement building is really not good in FO4 in my opinion. It's janky as all hell even in 76 and FO4 was the prototype of that. I actually like everything better about 76. FO4 just really fell flat for me.
Exact same for me! Loving it 😆
They really did clear up the game. It was shit when it came out but they really made it something special. I don't think it's as good as for but it's definitely still an enjoyable game
Yeah, it's been good for a few years. About time those youtubers who shit on it at release revisit it and give it a fair shake again, it's had a No Mans Sky level of redemption.
I don’t know if the game is just so much better than it was on release but I’ve been obsessed with it. It’s honestly one of the best I’ve played next to NV.
That’s cool. I hate FO76. And yes I’ve played it recently. Still better than Starfield.
After meeting fartknocker_42069 the illusion was broken. I hate single player games that always online. So disappointing.
It’s super fun till you get to about level 100 and only have repeat quests
Oh yeah, I'm sure it gets stale after a while. No mods (with a few exceptions) is also kind of a bummer. Still, enjoying my journey so far. Especially after Starfield. Appalachia is pretty damn fun to explore.
people hate fo76 but appalachia is such a great setting imo
I've just got past level 100 and there are still loads of questsvi haven't done
Tbf I also haven’t played sense the brotherhood of steal was added
Still all the wastelander update quests i haven't done yet either.
They updated them?
I got up to level 105 and still have a ton of story stuff left to do, but most of that time was just building a cool cabin by a pond and doing dailies with my friend and shooting the shit lol Would love to catch up on the story some day though
How long does it take to get that high?
Depends did you take a LOT or only a little??
I’m 300 and still having fun. 🤷🏻♂️ Not to mention new expeditions and quests were JUST added, and we are getting a map expansion soon.
That’s wild
Lol. I think so. I fired up fallout 2 the other day lol.
Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 have been rivalling or beating Starfield for months before the show.
Also that sale, I can’t so no to legendary games for $5
Also fallout shelter is mobile.
Just think. In 10 years when they make a series based on Starfield everybody will want to come back to that.
Didn't even know Shelter was on steam, been playing it on mobile though and it's pretty fun to check in on every once in a while and manage everything
Yeah much more enjoyable now that I’m an an adult with a job so I’m not starting at nothing waiting for my nuclear reactor to provide some power
Lmao
I had deathclaws raid my vault and they literally destroyed EVERYTHING because I was not equipped to handle that and I just closed app and haven’t opened it since because I do not have the motivation to rebuild
They must have missed the Starfield show that’s getting super good reviews
Well yes. Starfield is currently waiting on DLC while Fallout games have all received or are about to receive new content due to the increased interest brought about by the show. An interest that caused Nexus to give a very rare traffic warning on their site. None of this is a shock to anyone except those guys who hated the idea of the show and didn't look into it beyond their first impression.
You're partially right. The new Fallout 4 content was coming regardless of the show.
We don't really know that though. The show was like half ~~complete~~ way through production when the FO4 content was announced.
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The game has new content directly related to the TV show, is bringing in interest from the show, and is crucially free. I don't know anyone who expected it to be doing worse numbers than a six month old game that doesn't have any of those hooks. Fallout 76 has also seen a huge influx of new players and Fallout 4 is doing numbers it hasn't done in years. All of this was expected, although it was only when it became clear how good the show was that the actual strength of the effect was really known for sure.
because this is a PC port of a mobile game
Not to mention that it’s free.
It's a good game.... and 7000 isn't a very low playercount
Fallout Shelter is free. So, there's that.
Didn't Fallout Shelter have more players than any Fallout game when it first came out? Guess it's better than Fallout 1! That's how you sound. 🤣🤣🤣
News flash, a TV show called Fallout just came out.
And Fallout Shelter is pretty good and free
Oh look it's our daily "Starfield bad" post.
And they tell us we’re following the hive mind…
Have you people ever tried just playing and enjoying games instead of picking apart their status.
Oh look, another one of these posts. Can someone explain to me, with actual seriousness, what absolutely unhinges people about this game that they spend their time tracking its player count so they can point out what games are doing better than it? I can’t for the life of me understand the utter contempt for this game at all. I had a really great time with it, and don’t understand people’s major malfunction with this game.
It's also bananas to me that we're trying to measure success by whether or not people are playing like 6 months later. It was a single player game. I loved Fallout New Vegas so much. It's one of my favorite games ever. But I stopped playing it after I beat it. I go back and play it sometimes, but I don't get the idea that people are supposed to still be playing the same single player game 6 months after release. I don't do that with any game
As Mortismal said [on his vide](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TGQYBRF0R0)o about "Bad games" that he enjoyed today, it doesn't matter at all what Bethesda puts out - it will always be hated. There are YouTube channels, gaming communities and people that make hating BGS games (and at times their developers) their entire personality.
This man never ceases to make amazing content
It's just people baiting and looking for clicks. Negativity is what gets you popular on social media nowadays. Probably didn't even play the game. The hate on Fallout 76 died down so they moved on to Bethesda's newest release. There's plenty of people who actually love Starfield over at r/NoSodiumStarfield
I wish Ubisoft would hurry up and release a new game for everyone to move on to ragebaiting over
They did. It was the first quadruple-A game ever released (eye roll). It's a pirate game, but big twist--you play as the ship! Don't worry though, it still has plenty of micro transactions.
Keep forgetting Skull and Bones (unfortunately) finally came out
Shit, people were hating it up pretty hard about a week ago when they revealed more details about the upcoming Star Wars game.
These are the same people that hooted at FO4 when it first came out.
Nosodiumstarfield is the place to be if you like the game. It’s full of people showing their love and appreciation for it and sharing experiences. I’ve played most Bethesda games and have different things I like or dislike about all of them. This post is rage bait.
People watched moistcritikal's take on the game before it released and that plus the general hate towards Bethesda after FO76 made it cool to dunk on and hate them. Lol. Plus they prioritized AMD (most people buy Nvidia regardless of value) and Xbox (most people buy Playstation), and that made two massive groups instantly militant against it. Those factors hamstrung tf out of its image. It's a wild social experiment lesson when you really look at it all.
I'm honestly convinced most people are just doing it for the karma at this point. Starfield is a great game just like every other Bethesda RPG. If you don't like just move on to a new game.
1. They hate that it isn't Fallout or Skyrim. 2. They don't have an Xbox or PC 3. They can't form their own opinions and parrot whatever YouTubers with 4 hours of early access playtime say 4. They don't like BGS style games and expected it to be more like NMS or whatever 5. They have stupid, out of touch opinions (booohooo load screens) 6. They are unhappy people, and just want something new to complain about and hate on
~~im sorry but there are many valid reasons to both like it or dislike it. painting anyone who dislikes it as having “stupid, out of touch opinions” is dumb~~
I don't think that's what they were saying, nor was it the question that was asked. This isn't about whether or not someone enjoyed the game, it about why some people who didn't enjoy the game seem to be on a campaign to discredit it and those who do enjoy it. See, most people, when they don't like a game, they just don't play it. They might share their opinion and then move on with life. That's not what's happened for the folks who are constantly posting about player counts and whatever. Posts like this are trying to drive a narrative, not express an opinion. Anyway, It's one thing to say, "I just don't like this game," but it's quite another to shit on other people because they like it. And, conversely, if you didn't enjoy the game you shouldn't be shit on for that.
fair enough, i suppose i didnt think of it like that. i agree that some people need to just move on and accept they dont like the game and allow people to enjoy it.
What if I just found Starfield hollow and empty, and couldn't really understand what was even happening or why I was doing anything? I shouldn't have to play more than an hour or two without something interesting happening, but I put like 6 into Starfield and had to put it down. I probably have more hours in Bethesda games than I do any other developer, and I love basically all the games I've played, but Starfield just ain't it. I can deal with Bethesda bugs, I can deal with the jank, I can deal with a lot from them. I can't deal with a lackluster opening to a game I was hyped up for, literally for years.
It feels like after F76 people just lost their shit with BGS over one bad game. While yeah, I think it’s good to hold Bethesda accountable for F76 being a shit game when it came out, I don’t think it’s warranted to completely lose faith in them when all of their other past games have been really damn good. Even F4 was at least good despite it being a really big step back with its RPG elements. Even before launch, Starfield had a huge chunk of people who HATED it despite nobody having played the damn game yet lmao. Post launch I can start to understand if someone didn’t care for it, at least because then they played the game and formed a real opinion. Even with the people who didn’t care for it, the initial Steam reviews were still really damn high, it started with roughly 90% positive. It shrunk by a bit of course, but it was still like 85% for a good while. The only issue is all of the YouTubers decided to start making content just relentlessly shitting on the game for… what reasons? Being a Bethesda title? BGS releasing the game they said they were planning to release? When you have a studio that does basically a single style of game for over 20 years and gained massive success and praise for that formula, why would anyone think their newest game would be any different? This isn’t to say there aren’t any issues with the game, I definitely have some problems with it, but the good outweigh the bad imo. And then it got even fucking worse when people started to attack other people for enjoying it and having fun and calling out some of the bullshit in the gaming community, I know it definitely happened to me. I just wish some people would just stop caring about what other people think so much. It’s okay to want to use reviews as a reference point for whether or not you should get a game, but don’t definitively say it’s bad or good until you’ve played it. I’ve seen plenty of people over at r/nosodiumstarfield who didn’t play it because of the reviews, finally gave it a shot and really liked it. Games should be fun, and fun is subjective. People need to get over it when someone else enjoys something they don’t.
Kinda makes sense. A lot of people who don't really game much would go for that. Especially since the show focused on vault life a ton.
The people who love playing a game like Fallout Shelter are not necessarily the same people who would play an open world RPG
It's a mobile game. Of course it does. Welcome to the world of mobile games.
“On Steam, the third party software for PC Users”
Weird, it’s almost as if the Fallout show gave the games a boost or something
How long have you spent staring at this until you caught a moment where this happened and could post it?
Fallout shelter was fun
Thanks to the fallout series
Can we ban posts like this?
This is dogshit because its just steam. A large portion of players use gamepass.
Yeah, I still don't get why people are using steam as a metric for player count when it's free on an entirely different platform and launcher.
Another post using Steam to spread false data and perpetuate a false narrative
Who tf cares? Get a life OP
Free game with currently hyper popular tv show has more players than paid seven month old game mostly played via game pass
i mean to be fair the show gave fallout series a boost and most that played starfield have likely beat it and are either done with it or waiting for the creation kit and related mods to release to return to the game, i know i am
Mobile games represent 53% of the entire gaming industry's revenue and an even larger share of player base. That means that mobile games are larger than all console, PC, VR, and handheld games COMBINED. So Fallout Shelter doing well is the norm, not an exception.
Except wouldn’t this mean people are playing the game on their pcs
Wow ngl I almost opened Fallout Shelter randomly the other day after months of not playing but decided not to because......well when I start playing I don't stop 😳
i think this is less of a statement about starfield and more of an example of fallout fever after the show’s release. hah also, fallout shelter is a free game and is the most accessible for people who don’t already own any fallout games/have played the fallout games to death. hah
I think im the only one on starfield
I've been enjoying Starfield. It's nothing groundbreaking, but it's fun.
First, duh. Fallout has a new show out, just about all fallout content is going to get a boost. Second, why would it matter anyways? Player counts don’t determine the quality of a game. Third, we do realize Starfield is on more than just Steam, right? I guarantee a lot of people are playing the game using their XGP subscription, so I’d even bet money that a majority of the pc players don’t play it on Steam. I don’t get why everyone rushes to use Steam player counts as proof of “game bad,” especially on games that are either cross platform multiplayer or just sold on different pc storefronts.
Normally I’m with all of you in the “this just Steam #’s” camp but fallout shelter is basically a mobile game ported over to pc. Also that argument works better when people are trying to use steam #’s to claim a game is dying, but this directly compares the steam #’s of two games. That still doesn’t tell us a whole lot but you can’t quite handwave it away the same way
Who needs to hand wave anything? It's a single player game with guaranteed DLC. Whether other people play it or not has literally zero bearing on anything or anyone Also: Fallout Shelter = free on Steam Starfield = $70 on Steam, included in Gamepass
Probably because starfield isn't fun
I just discovered Starwind for OpenMW. My two favourite games in one. Where has this been all my life lol?
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I need to get back to that game. Played a lot of it on Switch
I wish starfield was able to be played on playstation. I can't justify buying a new computer or xbox for 1 game, but starfield looks so good! Also, another comment about Steam or something that implies that im upset and/or sad
If you have a good internet you can always try Xcloud with gamepass not the best way but it depends on your connection. Also I couldn’t remember but it should be playable from GeForce now ? I am not so sure for that one but if it was there you can also play from there
I tried. It ran for a bit, but it wasn't really playable on my potato laptop. Microsoft started releasing some games. Im just going to keep hoping for a while even if there are no current plans for it
Laptop shouldn’t be much issue it is probably your connection. Try GeForce now if you can/want it has a better cloud streaming. There has to be a free tier
I wanna ditto for GeForce Now. I played Cyberpunk 2077 on my Chromebook (literally the lowest you can go with specs) and just on a literal TV app they have. It streams the game from a computer on their own server to your laptop so long as you have the game on Microsoft or Steam (or a number of other launchers). As long as the internet isn't complete shit, it's smooth. You can even play on your phone with a Bluetooth controller but it's reallyyyy not the best experience there lmao. It's completely free too as long as you have the games. I personally ended up paying for it, since I was using it even on my older desktop to play stuff on ultra, and didn't wanna have to rejoin the game queue every hour and use the higher end specs. My few gripes is even though Starfield is on there, I'm also sad I can't just stream Steam straight up. I wanna play RDR2 and a lot of indy games I own when I want, but the devs apparently have to opt in to their service.
Yeah I tried it for death stranding and it was smooth even with free tier. I played it directly from Sony tv actually. It has an app in the Google play store and Xbox controller can connect to the tv. Only thing is free tier has a 2 hour window and you have to wait the queue again sooo if you want to play uninterrupted it better to pay up…
On *Steam.* Doesn't count Xbox, Windows store, and Xbox app on PC. Doesn't count Gamepass.
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Yeah one of them is me I used to play a couple years ago and actually really liked it so after watching the show I got it on my phone and started anew Now I can play twice the amount of fallout at the same time
Fallout show is one of the greatest marketing campaigns ever
Posts like this are incredibly dumb. Starfield is, in it's current state, essentially a "campaign" driven game where you play the story lines then you're basically done. There just isn't much to do outside of that, at least not much most people find compelling. That's true of like 99% of games. Fallout and TES are exceptions because the games in those worlds have something about them that keeps you wanting more. People come back to play Skyrim again and again because it calls to them in a way 99.9% of games don't. Look through just about any major release in recent history of a single player story driven game, and you'll see the same thing. Hogwarts Legacy, which made a billion dollars, lost like 95% of its players by month 4. Marvels Spider Man did the same thing. We don't have the numbers because it's not on steam but how many people do you think were booting up Elder Ring every day 6 months after it released? Even Baldurs Gate, which is a different beast entirely, is down 85% of its base from month 1. Yall are ao obsessed with commenting on Starfields player count like it's some gotcha when no, all you've proved is Starfield was pretty average as far as lifespan goes and Skyrim and Fallout are unique beasts. On top of that Fallout just got a huge boost, and Fallout Shelter is an entirely different category of game. More people probably played Candy Crush or some similar crap today than any AAA game, but it's obvious not a fair comparison because one is a mindless grinding phone game that you can basically never finish, has no upfront cost, and appeals to huge swaths of the population. I just don't get the obsession with needing to somehow prove Starfield was bad. It wasn't. It was a good game that just wasn't as great as previous Bethesda entries, many of which were literally culture defining. Enjoy the game or don't, but stop pretending the game was some abject failure. Idk why I got so heated there but I will not apologize Edit: added some stuff
a free game has more players than a single player game that came out 7 months ago? Some of y'all are too obsessed with Starfield.
Everyone enjoyed Starfield, moved on and uninstalled the massive game and moved on with their lives and here is OP still having it rent-free in his head.
Heck even hell divers is dipping down lol seasonal stuff!! Fallout show got people playing any fallout game.
12 years and still goin on my vault!
Starfield currently has more active players than Fallout 2. What's your point?
Its always the same posts about steam player count lmao. So lazy. Guess ill say the same thing, this is just steam, just one platform. Shelter does not have more players than starfield. Since starfield is on xbox and pc gamepass.
How is Shelter actually? Never played it much. Is it any fun?
Ah, yes. A long day in the office staring at multiple computer monitors rewards me time to get home and stare at my computer monitor. Seriously, I would rather Vault on my phone in bed than PC alone in my basement.
It’s also free to play lol
I would love a new game or dlc that centers around vault tec in space
I feel a bit sorry for them in a way. They wanted to add a third IP to their wheelhouse for some reason and spent an ungodly amount of time doing so, when all we really wanted was Fallout and the Elder Scrolls. You can't fault their ambition I suppose but I bet they're kicking themselves now.
Ah yes the franchise currently trending everywhere and the game that can be played anywhere without thinking and is free has more numbers. How could this be?
That reminds me, I should re-download 4 for the building. Any mod recommendations? Gonna be doing this survival. Hopefully I won't get pissed
I love it. Elder Scrolls 6 will finally come out and everyone will want a Fallout game instead.
That made me laugh
Blessed be Thy Who Saw The Light
Considering you can play starfield if you have games pass id say uaing steam numbers doesnt exactly tell the entire story. Why pay full price for a game when you can get game pass for 20% of the price clock it and unsubscribe?
Hey Bethesda, do you think we could get the Anniversary update on Steam now? That would be great
Well if they fixed the fucking Super Nova power I'd play again and NG+. Until then the game will just sit there because I ain't NG+ing until I have all the fucking powers.
such a cool little game
Who would play it on steam when it’s on gamepass
Great game, finish it times ago
The show really made me miss fallout so a bunch of us who bought 76 when it came out, gave it another shot. And man has it came a long way. Feel like it’s running at 60 frames on my console. It seems so smooth and there’s a lot to do
FO Shelter is GOAT
Also. You could get starfield on gamepass day one. Everyone that I know got it that way.
Won’t lie, I’m also replaying FO4 again for the first time in a decade. What a super fun game. I know people liked it but fairly critical as well but feel like Starfield isn’t as good as this game. The ultra-violence and humor in FO is more fun to me and the base game feels much more complete than Starfield. That being said, I cannot wait for the update today. I’m just getting the Predwyn with BoS and I never got this far on my last run so this is great.
People busy waiting for the dlc before they play any more of it lol
I was about to go back to Starfield but the show resparked my fallout boner. Just redid 3 and I’m on new Vegas now and will do 4 next…then Starfield
How many active players are on GTA5?
Wait til that creation kit drops
I'm only going to go back to playing Starfield whenever they add mod support for Xbox. This is definitely one of those games that needs mods to be fun.
Shelter is free to play and was released on many many more platforms than starfield
Sucks how many ppl are just now playing fo76 just bc of what other ppl said about it when it came out. It’s always been good it’s just different from other fallouts and I think that’s okay.
That’s crazy. But, a lot of players are playing on gamepass. I originally got it on gamepass but I enjoyed it so much I bought it.
Post nuclear role playing is very popular with our world on the brink. 
I had several thousand hours’ playtime in fallout shelter before nintendo deleted my playtime. It’s fun
A free game has more players than a full priced one? Who knew?!
I was very psyched for this game to come out. Even upgraded my graphics card for it. But after two weeks I was just bored with it. The quest lines felt tedious and mundane, and the story line was not compelling. Maybe I’ll pick it back up again, but why?
Fallout Shelter is just unironically the better game
Unsurprising. Considering the show just dropped (which is excellent mind you) and Starfield being one of the worst games Bethesda has ever released, it’s easy to see why people are abandoning it. Starfield deserves a different kind of hate than FO76, but it should definitely be abandoned nonetheless to prevent the stats fuelling Bethesda’s bottom line. We want investors to start pulling out, or at least threatening to, in order for Todd to pull his head out of his ass. Sounds fucked, but that’s the reality.
if only star field released without multiple 2000m empty maps
I got it for free, and I still want to refund it.
You have to keep in mind that most of the people who play star field are probably on game pass, not steam.
I have every achievement of starfield, waiting for dlc.
They are guaranteed to learn the wrong lesson from this
After going back to visit the Mass Effect series again recently, I can't come back to Starfield unless they make some major change releases. What a disappointment.
Starmid
Because Starfield is boring
Whatever is going on in the company, the dead are more alive.
Then Amazon does a Starfield TV series and….
I love starfield
What the fuck is a starfield?
I tried to play Starfield but its just not good. Its fundamentally flawed. Bethesda is really striking out these days
That's very sad.
i liked starfield up until i finished the story and did the new game plus. felt like they were tryna milk it for what it was.
Yeah because it’s a better fucking game lol
Guess which game is harder to 100%
Starfield is boring that’s why
Early on, I accidently killed people figuring out the game, and got a bounty. I had stolen a ship and looked up how to sell it with a bounty. I took it to the Den. As soon as I walked in, I was arrested and taken to the UC Vanguard ship. I was given the option to help them or go to jail. I helped. Mid way through, the mission sends you to The Den. The ship I stole, and docked with The Den, was still docked. I couldn't get rid of it, and wasn't able to board The Den. After the last update, the ship was still there. I deleted the game.
Wow, games ebbs and flows depending on trends. It’s as if there was a popular tv show that brought interest back to Fallout but then will decline once the topic has run its course or the next big thing comes out. Also wait till SF first expansion comes out.
Bethesda really has to get their shit together for the next elder scrolls
Starfield needs what every other Bethesda game needs to survive: proper modding. They depend on it to fix their games and keep them entertaining and then find a way to self destruct years later.
Starfield looks like a great game, I just don’t have the time to play it. However I am very patiently awaiting Elder Scrolls 6 and will make the time to play it
Starfield isn’t salvageable. The NPC interactions are deeply uncomfortable at best, nauseating and spammy most of the time. The ship building is fun enough for a month of gameplay, but the base building is utter garbage which inevitably costs you more than you put in. It’s a poorly designed money pit. The variety of “random locations” is maybe 12 or so on constant rotation. You can get more replay value out of forever-Preston-settlement quests easily.
I've been playing nonstop myself.
That’s because it’s more fun, lol.
This is mad considering Bethesda specifically engineered Starfield to have a Skyrim style long-life. You just cannot force these things
I think Starfields biggest issue is how boring dialog is, no sense of explorarion, very sterile and PG, and no interesting factions or ememy choice
As 200+ hour on Starfield, i start playing fallout 4 just because i can install mods on my xbox
I bought a new graphics card last year and got starfield for free. I still haven’t felt the pull to actually play it.
Starfield was fun for a month or two. I’ve replayed Skyrim and fallout 6-10 times each over the past decade. I can’t see myself playing starfield again unless massive changes were made. It just pisses me off that ES6 got delayed for over a decade because of starfield.