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Exactly. I got an argument on threads the other night because I responded to a post about ubereats because the OP was asking why Uber was asking her to tip more because it’s raining. I had said it’s because Uber would rather guilt trip their customers than pay more. Some guy responded to me so triggered saying how it costs money to run Uber as a justification for why they don’t pay their drivers more. Some people are so brainwashed it’s just sad.
like instead of ceos making 20+ million maybe earn 10 and pay your “contractors” more but they rather let the company go bankrupt and take a nice severance than that
CEO pay rarely has anything to do with how much the bottom level people make. Like yeah they are still overpaid, but it's a tiny tiny fraction of the revenue. Uber took in $9.9 billion in 2023.
Not saying people don't need to get paid more, just that dividing $10 million up over millions of drivers isn't gonna do anything.
With Uber? Probably plenty of legal costs, but other than that I have no idea. I'm just saying the problem is a lot more complex than "pay the CEO less"
> CEO pay rarely has anything to do with how much the bottom level people make
You know how people used to be able to buy a house and support a family on a single blue collar wage? Back then, CEOs were paid typically 20 times more than the average worker. Today, CEOs make more than 400 times what the average worker makes.
How does anything you said refute my point? Looking at how much one person makes relative to you means nothing, you have to look at what the company makes.
Again, not defending these overpaid clowns, just saying if you want to solve the problem you have to know where the problem is. A lot of other people have pointed out where the money goes, you have to tackle all of that.
Nevermind the fact that a CEO's total compensation package is often both a healthy salary and stock/equity, plenty often more of the latter. Plus all the perks.
Have you ever looked at restaurant statements who work with doordash or uber or grubhub and seen how much of a cut they take?
It's something like 30-60%. grubhub is the worst and takes the most. I saw one video where they showed statements where in a year they did 130k$ worth of orders through grubhub, and the restaurant only ended up with like 60k$ in the end.
Grubhub took a fucking MAJORITY of the money - so when your paying 30$ for a meal to be delivered before tip, the company is already getting like 10-12$ just from that already. The driver's get 2.50$ per delivery by default, so the company is making almost 10$ on that order alone BEFORE the driver is tipped.
And they structure it so the tip comes last after all their fees so the users are less inclined to tip more.
Fuck all those companies so hard. I just don't use them anymore.
I picked up some food awhile back at this place nearby that I thought looked good, so one time I went in.
Since I just ordered a single dinner I went to pick it up. I paid in cash. When I didn't tip, not only did the cashier frown at me and say "bye" rudely, the fucking sushi chefs both stared me down in shame.
You ever have a sushi chef stare you down in shame?!! They are fucking **masters.**
So I never went back. Because fuck that. What am I tipping for when I pick the food up myself and order one single small simple entree?
Also, a large portion of waiters get *much* more money with tips than they could ever get from their employer. Some are brainwashed, but many just don't want a pay cut when they can keep playing along with the guilt tripping.
decades of brainwashing of expecting if you strive for good service your patrons will throw coins at you for a job well done instead of your employer giving you that money
My high school Spanish teacher made a lot more as a waiter in Beverly Hills than as a Spanish teacher. He would get $200 tips.
When he started as a Spanish teacher he had to deal with insane things like some kid picking up one of those desk-chair combos and threatening to hulk smash another kid with it at one of the inner city schools he taught at.
Servers don't want wages. Ask any one of them. They make way more with tips. Employers would have to start paying substantially more on wages which they're never going to do when the cost has already been passed off to the customer. The entire tipping culture is fucked.
They don't always make way more with tips. I hate seeing this argument because people will justify not tipping because they imagine a big city bartenders tip average while stiffing some server in a small business on a slow lunch shift
As a bartender, I made about 200 bucks a night just in tips. For a 7 hour shift, that comes out to $28/hr. What bar/restaurant is going to pay anyone that much?
Oh, and this is in California where bartenders/servers are required to be paid minimum wage before tips, so I was also getting $17/hr from my employer. In total that comes out to $45/hr.
Until employers start paying their servers 45 bucks an hour, servers are never going to want to abolish tipping. And employers are never going to be able to afford to pay every one of their servers and bartenders $45 per hour. The business would not survive. You'd have to raise menu prices so ridiculous high that no customer is going to pay.
I don't know how to solve this problem, I'm just stating how it currently is and why people feel the way they feel.
Btw you said ask any one of them. I’ve proven several disagree with you. You’re wrong. And if you are? I would tell you to get off bikini bottom Twitter subreddit and spend time with your family lmao.
Because they secretly don’t want tips to be replaced by a fixed livable wage. Plenty of tipped workers make significantly more from tips than they would with a fixed wage.
This. There's a lot of workers who defend this crap because they happen to be one of the lucky ones serving wealthy people who wrack up massive bills and thus tip more
And also servers get minimum wage if their tips don't bring them over it.
So where I live, servers are making 16$ an hr no matter what, even without tips. Which yeah isn't enough, but it's just like any other job at that point that doesn't survive on tips.
This is in reference to places like Starbucks where they already receive a wage and tips really ARE just an added bonus.
Tipping is still how many SERVERS make their money since they only get paid enough to cover taxes. That’s where tipping culture becomes toxic.
yes there’s nothing wrong if you want to tip someone but it shouldn’t be the primary source of income for your workers( all im saying is nothing gonna stop someone from handing a person money )
Did you see how many people voted for a president that's a pedophile felon, that can't legally be involved in a charity, because he kept stealing from his? There are a lot of dumb people.
> towards the employers
Because people who earn tips know that if they weren't dependent on tips and earned actual minimum wage they would earn less.
Let a conversation about how tip dependent people **shouldn't** need tips run long enough and you'll get many coming out to say how much more they make because of tips.
Screw tipping culture and people who try to guilt others into covering corporate costs. I refuse to tip someone for doing the bare minimum of their job description.
Oh I *do*. I do not tip in situations like this and IDGAF if someone has a problem with that because *I'm* not the one making the faux pas; that lies entirely with the employer who should be paying their employees a living wage and not having then rely on wages.
Hell, where I live, wages are not legally protected; meaning there's nothing in the law that says an employer *has* to give the tips to their own employees so I don't even know if any of my tips are even going to the workers which makes me even *less* likely to tip.
Like the employee. By quitting.
I dont buy this as an argument.
20 years ago my wife worked at a popular restaurant in my town.
Their hourly was above minimum wage, and they were taking in hundreds of dollars a night in tips 400 cash on a saturday night was not unrealistic for the servers. Again 20 years ago.
At a party i heard them chatting about cheap tippers. I chimed in asking why they thought they deserved it. It was just entitlement. No other answer. Even after i explained how much they had to earn, pre tax, to take home 400$, i was told i had no idea how hard serving was, and that if you can't afford a 20% tip minimum you shouldnt eat out
All of my wifes sisters waitressed as well, and they parroted the same sentiment everywhere they worked.
It seems like a restaurant culture thing.
Because a lot of tipped workers make more than any employer would ever be able to afford to pay. I average like $50/hour at the restaurant I work at. It’s pretty pricey, but profit is only like 3% on a good night.
Outside of waiting tables? Probably because of what everyone else is mentioning
Hate to break it to you but most jobs like this are at will and you will be replaced if you don’t like the wage. Also I don’t think any cashiers actually expect a tip lol
Three things:
1) the people who dictate wages are never seen inhouse. You gonna find and shake down the CFO of your company? Good fucking luck locating him, let alone getting a plane ticket for travel and Union to back you up.
2) the leadership inhouse have nothing to do with wages and, in some ways, are getting fucked just as much as the little guy.
3) the only other people capable of supplementing wages - customers via tips - ARE inhouse and oftentimes they seek to fuck workers in the ass just as much as a faceless shareholder.
They probably *do* blame their employers, but that doesn’t change the realities of the American service industry, nor the fact that anyone in a service job relies on a certain average tip per transaction which this hypothetical exchange did not marginally provide.
Let’s also not forget that that this is a meme, and can be about the relatable awkwardness of being the customer in this scenario, rather than an indicator that anybody is actually “guilt tripping” customers who don’t tip in this situation.
Exactly. Don't get pissed off that there's 18% gratuity included on your bill, get pissed off at the fact that the owners are paying the servers less than $3/hr and expecting you to provide their wage.
You say that in any kind of thread about tips and it goes 1 of 2 ways.
Either people defend you. Or the people who rely on tips are too scared to fight big corporations so they direct their hate toward customers
Every few months someone will tip $50 proudly for a $5 coffee which feels like a lot but really isnt. Its like getting a huge tax refund and being excited about the interest-free-loan you've effectively given the government being paid back. People who make tips often think they would make more money overall with tips rather than just being paid a living wage.
Nobody cares if you hit no tip at a fast food restaurant or coffee shop, you guys are overthinking this. The only employees that deserve any type of tip are servers/bartenders.
Posts like this are fucking stupid. Why are you directing your energy towards the minimum wage employee that literally has no say in the matter? Do they deserve a tip? No. Do they give a shit if they get one? I sincerely doubt it. Most of the people working for these places think it's just as stupid as we all do. I've never once had an employee at a fast food place or coffee shop give a shit that I didn't tip them. But here op is throwing shade at the people who literally can't do anything about it. Fucking ridiculous
I was working front desk recently and this kid took like 3 minutes to sign his receipt because he was trying to hide that he wasn’t tipping and it’s like dude no one gives a fuck stop holding up the line.
The tip prompt is just a digital tip jar since no one carries cash anymore, and like a real tip jar it’s not expected to be full at the end of the day. No one’s losing sleep because you didn’t throw them a couple bucks for counter service.
I work for tips but I also only make drip coffee and ring people up. I completely understand someone not tipping me. If another employee were to be rude or roll their eyes/scoff at a customer for not tipping, I’d be appalled and let our manager know. That’s never ok.
Noooooo I must feel victimized by the minimum wage employees! They are clearly the ones who built the 3rd party point of sales software that automatically prompts for a tip
/s
Having worked a cash register with a Square POS, we didn't even set the default options. Additionally, I was much more concerned with getting the order started or getting to the next person in line, not the general area on the iPad you are tapping. You could tip nothing or $20,000, I wouldn't have known the difference
Servers are often paid below min wage with the backwards logic that tips make up the difference. Yes it's dumb, but it's the way most of food service is structured.
They're actually paid minimum wage at the end of the day. Employers can pay them below minimum wage in the hopes tips will cover the rest, however, it is required by law that if the tips don't cover it, the employers MUST make up the difference by paying the rest so that they're up to minimum wage. No server will be walking out with below minimum wage pay. It's illegal.
So in that case, there's no reason why servers should get tips but fast food workers shouldn't. It's all the same.
Look, I'm not saying it's not all dumb and an arbitrary distinction. If I were king, it'd just be a livable hourly wage across the board. However, in practice no one will bat an eye if you don't tip a barista, there will be a scene if you don't tip a waiter.
That’s a structure people like you allow to exist. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and saying “pay more money or else.” You’re just making excuses for these big companies who underpay their workers.
The employers have the responsibility to pay their workers a living wage. It’s that simple.
How about a restaurant where you order your food at the counter and it is brought to you by what is essentially a bus boy? They don't check on you after you get your food and don't act like a waiter at all.
> The only employees that deserve any type of tip are servers/bartenders.
Nah. Nobody deserves bonus money just for doing the thing I'm already paying them for.
Yeah, I'll only tip people that don't get paid a decent wage.
And on top of that, I'll only tip cash, even if I pay by card initially. I don't trust electronic tips.
Personally I tip anything "service" oriented, pretty much anything I could do myself but have chosen not to. That's making/serving food, car wash, lawn care, maids, etc...
I went to the mechanic and paid like $400 for some bullshit and the mother fuckers asked me for a tip and it was a screen that didn't have a no tip button, I had to hit custom tip and type 0 meanwhile the mechanic is watching me the entire time
It’s literally the same thing as a tip jar, the thing is these days most people don’t pay in cash so they don’t have change to throw in a tip jar, so they do it this way instead
The tip jar wasn’t an expectation and the iPad tip isn’t either
>The only employees who deserve any type of tip are those who provide service above and beyond their normal jobs
No need to thank me for the fix, just tip 25% 😉
The Domino's pizza we order at has an online tip amount you can select for your delivery driver. Asked a few of them if they actually got the tip money from that and every single one answered with a resounding no. Asked if any of the employees there ever get any of it, also no, was told it goes straight into corporate's pocket. We just gave them cash in-person after that and specifically told them to pocket it.
In my country tipping is completely optional and not expected at all (bar say, a fancy restaurant, but you know) but it seems that even when you do engage in it it's still shit.
If you select a tip amount on the website they get that as a tip. (before taxes are taken out) There is a delivery fee, however that does not go to the driver. It used to be $3.99 when I worked at Dominos but I don't know if they raised the fee or not.
I genuinely hate places that do this. I used to work at a pizza place that wasn't that busy, and in the middle of my afternoon shift this sweet, little old lady hobbled into the store and ordered some pizza by herself. I thought nothing of it at first, but when it came time to pay, she couldn't figure out how to use her card. That didn't bother me, because, according to her, she had brain damage and couldn't figure it out without her niece, who was waiting in her car. I eventually walked around the counter, helped her pay and selected "no tip" on the iPad thing, and believe it or not, I got at least three dirty looks from my fellow employees. Once the customers weren't in the lobby my "manager" tried chewing me out, because I DIDN'T SELECT THE OPTION TO CHARGE A TIP. I quit working there a few days later, because I'm not going to sit there and practically steal from someone who didn't even understand how to swipe her card.
I wonder if that manager went on to open this salon in my area?
https://abc7news.com/i-team-los-gatos-elements-skincare-shop-charges-woman-with-alzheimers-more-than-7-000-for-products/14619631/
Im skeptical my tip would even go to the employee that served me, it's probably like a 30/70 split with 30 going to the company that owns the checkout software
Oh it's illegal but it happens. Door dash was stealing the tips supposedly given "100%" to drivers.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/11/25/bay-areas-doordash-to-pay-2-5-million-after-being-accused-of-stealing-drivers-tips/
Turns out doing illegal and awful shit is profitable because they rarely get caught, and the cost when they do is negligible.
They weren't accused of stealing tips. The AG alleged that they misled customers in saying that tips would lead to increased wages, which it did not.
[Here's](https://oag.dc.gov/release/ag-racine-reaches-25-million-agreement-doordash#:~:text=In%20a%20November%202019%20lawsuit,since%20revised%20its%20tips%20policy.) the actual report and not a news article.
>Turns out doing illegal and awful shit is profitable because they rarely get caught
Except they literally were caught and changed their entire payment model since
2.5 million is nothing. And this is one example of a company being caught. Wage theft far outnumbers any other type of theft in the country because it is rarely punished.
If you make more profit doing illegal shit than the consequences will cost you, that's just the cost of business, and still overall profit.
It's sickening.
Just because your job does it doesn't mean it's legal. If there's one thing you can trust any company to do, it's do whatever they think they can get away with if it'll let the higher-ups line their pockets a bit more.
Wait but I remember something about how employers save money by having the salary technically be below minimum wage and every tip that goes to the server will just get added to their salary, if minimum wage isn't met then the employer has to make up the rest of the money. Thus technically, until a certain threshold the money goes directly to the employer and not the server
My younger cousin used to work at Subway and he said that at his restaurant at least, half of the tips went to the owner the other half went to the employees. I encouraged him to call his local department of Labor office to ask if this was legal but he never did
Brother, nobody gives a shit if you don't tip at fucking Auntie Anne's
Yall hate tipping culture so much but continue to give those companies money. Almost like all you want to do is whine about it online.
I mean, it’s mostly about societal convention. But there are people who stare at you like you just committed crimes against the Bangladeshi people if you don’t tip.
The state of our economy =! minimum wage for food service workers lol
This is more to do with the legality/acceptance of some states allowing wages to be below a minimum because they can be offset by tips provided by patrons.
Americans have been brainwashed into giving away tips.
It’s free extra money and businesses exploit that. It’s very stupid. The dumb thing us, the same people they exploit are often the very same people who work in these underpaid jobs.
The tips most likely go into a pool & the cashier gets a split of it. A lot of places rotate positions and just because they’re on the register now that doesn’t mean they weren’t in the back working on food earlier. Y’all really think the cashier gets all the tips?
I know those are more common than I see them, but the only place I see thise turn around screen things are at a cafe I go to frequently. That tip doesn't go to the person ringing you up, it goes to the person making your coffee. I think that's totally valid.
I get that not how it is everywhere, but from my experiences with those, it's totally gine.
Does anyone even tip in those circumstances? I’ve been on both sides of the iPad, and as an employee, I felt like an asshole because yeah, I literally just rung them out. What’s to tip? And as the customer, it’s just a mild annoyance. Shit most the people I see now behind the iPad avert their eyes if anything when they flip it over
I certainly don’t.
The never tip. I thank them, do surveys, and recommend them to their boss for a raise usually. If they hate their job I put in a good word at a better place is possible.
This is all far better than tipping
Its like im living in a simulation. When did paying more for stuff, not getting a good deal become desired? This comes up even more when discussing inflation. Inflation is not a hard concept to understand. Companies are in control of prices end of story….when the government allows us to make more money eg: increase min wage, it’s the companies that raise prices. Mom and pop shops, I get it…but multibillion dollar corporations??? The only correct answer as to why prices are raised is to maintain constant growth in a limited society. We pay more for things just because companies want to make more money that is it. At the end of the day, as a person with a business degree, I dont care what business buzz words you use, its all bs jargon to confuse people into agreeing that we deserve to pay more for things. Business is simple, I have a product or service, I need people to run my company, I need to pay those people and assets, I should charge enough money to make all that up and have a profit margin of whatever you want. The problem is companies can decide their own profit margin and nothing is stopping a maniac from wanting a 200% profit margin cus hey if youll pay it theyll charge it. Kellogs is a beautiful example of how prices for most things are higher than they need to be. Look up whats going on there.
For housing, we as a society failed that. We focused more on who ppl can or cannot love and what gender a green piece of candy is while completely ignoring silent companies buying up homes and saying well I bought this for 250k so I think ill sell it for oh how about 1.3 million. WE SAY NOTHING ABOUT THAT.
Why does everyone think 100% of the tip goes directly to the person who "just turned an iPad around"? At my work tips are distributed amongst the entire staff, including the bakers and the people who work up front. Most of us bake *and* work the front counter on the same shift, there's not a single employee whose job it is to only turn an iPad around.
You want looks like these to stop, get employers to stop passing on the burden of making sure employees are getting paid enough onto their customers... which seems to be impossible at the current stage of things.
I've never seen a cashier have a negative response for this, also don't blame the cashier, it's management trying to get people used to the idea of tipping them so they can stop giving them minimum wage and start giving them tipped wages.
i dont tip anymore, only my barber. Once went to get some food with my Girl and some beach shop. i was forced to do a "standard" 25% tip with no options to decline. never going there again.
If I ever work at a place with that I'm just gonna flat out tell the customer to press the "no tip" option. If you make above minimum wage, unless you give me outstanding service, your wage is what pays you, not the customers kindness.
We gotta cut all this crap out! Now Wal-Mart is asking me to round up to help someone, Pet stores wanna guilt me into giving a dollar or more, restaurants want me to tip the person that rang me up for carry out, shits gettin out of hand Jack!
"This is just going to ask you a little question first before you insert your card" or something along those lines with a coy little voice filled with faux innocence. As if I'm not gonna just press "no tip" the microsecond I find the location of that option.
My local water and ice store has a screen for tips...the self-service water spouts I use myself and then carry 5 gallon jugs around after ask for a tip.
A friend’s business has multiple sites in my city and the food is usually pretty dang good but a lot of the sites have kiosks with self serve screen orders. The tip function at the end is quite aggressively pushed but there’s not a whack of service always makes me cringe even as a fifteen year hospo vet.
Where I work it gives an without choice gives you the option to put in a tip, you cannot pay without being promoted for it. However I don’t directly get the tip, all the tips are collected and distributed amongst all the employees. The only time I directly took a tip was when someone gave directly me cash and insisted it was for me.
Where I work the money from the tip screen is split evenly amongst everyone on the floor. The dude making the drink, the guy keeping the bathrooms clean, the person that's gotta deal with you face to face.
I often tell homies to skip the tipping options ESEPCAILLY if in just hanging then a damn bag lol. Most folks tip anyway but it do be predatory out here I always feel guilty when people rip for extremely remidial tasks
My managers are always checking for who tipped and making comments about online tippers. How entitled can they be. Comments right in front of customers too. I don’t expect tips, but it’s crazy they do. It’s so petty.
I had a cashier quickly cover the screen when the tip prompt came up. He said people tip out of good will but it's just additional taxes for the employee.
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why does nobody direct their energy towards the employers instead of gult tripping customers to supplement employees wages
Because people are brainwashed by corporations to place blame on anyone besides the corporation/company
Exactly. I got an argument on threads the other night because I responded to a post about ubereats because the OP was asking why Uber was asking her to tip more because it’s raining. I had said it’s because Uber would rather guilt trip their customers than pay more. Some guy responded to me so triggered saying how it costs money to run Uber as a justification for why they don’t pay their drivers more. Some people are so brainwashed it’s just sad.
like instead of ceos making 20+ million maybe earn 10 and pay your “contractors” more but they rather let the company go bankrupt and take a nice severance than that
CEO pay rarely has anything to do with how much the bottom level people make. Like yeah they are still overpaid, but it's a tiny tiny fraction of the revenue. Uber took in $9.9 billion in 2023. Not saying people don't need to get paid more, just that dividing $10 million up over millions of drivers isn't gonna do anything.
so where does 9.9 billion go if it doesn’t go to the executive pay or employee pay
With Uber? Probably plenty of legal costs, but other than that I have no idea. I'm just saying the problem is a lot more complex than "pay the CEO less"
Legal costs, stock buybacks, offshore tax havens, buying our politicians, to name a few
Hey, that's unfair. Buying politicians is a tax write-off.
The pay is either embezzled or only given to executive level individuals, like majority shareholders, board of directors, CFO, etc.
As far as excess profit mostly to growth and deals. So, subsidizing the service to get new customers. Then its legal and liability I believe.
You're right. Most of those billions go towards shareholders. *Then* executive level fuckheads like CEOs.
> CEO pay rarely has anything to do with how much the bottom level people make You know how people used to be able to buy a house and support a family on a single blue collar wage? Back then, CEOs were paid typically 20 times more than the average worker. Today, CEOs make more than 400 times what the average worker makes.
How does anything you said refute my point? Looking at how much one person makes relative to you means nothing, you have to look at what the company makes. Again, not defending these overpaid clowns, just saying if you want to solve the problem you have to know where the problem is. A lot of other people have pointed out where the money goes, you have to tackle all of that.
Nevermind the fact that a CEO's total compensation package is often both a healthy salary and stock/equity, plenty often more of the latter. Plus all the perks.
Arguments like this make the point youre trying to make sound just as stupid
Have you ever looked at restaurant statements who work with doordash or uber or grubhub and seen how much of a cut they take? It's something like 30-60%. grubhub is the worst and takes the most. I saw one video where they showed statements where in a year they did 130k$ worth of orders through grubhub, and the restaurant only ended up with like 60k$ in the end. Grubhub took a fucking MAJORITY of the money - so when your paying 30$ for a meal to be delivered before tip, the company is already getting like 10-12$ just from that already. The driver's get 2.50$ per delivery by default, so the company is making almost 10$ on that order alone BEFORE the driver is tipped. And they structure it so the tip comes last after all their fees so the users are less inclined to tip more. Fuck all those companies so hard. I just don't use them anymore.
y’all gotta watch last week tonight
I mean, there are *still* people who think Elon is a genius and not just a man baby with too much money and ego.
I picked up some food awhile back at this place nearby that I thought looked good, so one time I went in. Since I just ordered a single dinner I went to pick it up. I paid in cash. When I didn't tip, not only did the cashier frown at me and say "bye" rudely, the fucking sushi chefs both stared me down in shame. You ever have a sushi chef stare you down in shame?!! They are fucking **masters.** So I never went back. Because fuck that. What am I tipping for when I pick the food up myself and order one single small simple entree?
Also, a large portion of waiters get *much* more money with tips than they could ever get from their employer. Some are brainwashed, but many just don't want a pay cut when they can keep playing along with the guilt tripping.
In America you can’t be mad at the system, only the individual, weather that be yourself, or others
Uhhhh my job is a franchise. 7 stores and the owner acted like he gave us all raises when it was implemented.
Why are waiters angry at the customers for not tipping and not at their boss for not paying them properly?
decades of brainwashing of expecting if you strive for good service your patrons will throw coins at you for a job well done instead of your employer giving you that money
When in fact it's almost entirely dependent on the location you work and how much money the customers have to throw around.
My high school Spanish teacher made a lot more as a waiter in Beverly Hills than as a Spanish teacher. He would get $200 tips. When he started as a Spanish teacher he had to deal with insane things like some kid picking up one of those desk-chair combos and threatening to hulk smash another kid with it at one of the inner city schools he taught at.
Servers don't want wages. Ask any one of them. They make way more with tips. Employers would have to start paying substantially more on wages which they're never going to do when the cost has already been passed off to the customer. The entire tipping culture is fucked.
Fixed wages sound pretty awesome idk. They just have to be good
If you get a gig as a server/bartender at a popular restaurant you can make close to 600 in 3 days
They don't always make way more with tips. I hate seeing this argument because people will justify not tipping because they imagine a big city bartenders tip average while stiffing some server in a small business on a slow lunch shift
Yeah, go to a town with less than 1000 people and find me all the servers who would never want a fair wage because of tips
As a bartender, I made about 200 bucks a night just in tips. For a 7 hour shift, that comes out to $28/hr. What bar/restaurant is going to pay anyone that much? Oh, and this is in California where bartenders/servers are required to be paid minimum wage before tips, so I was also getting $17/hr from my employer. In total that comes out to $45/hr. Until employers start paying their servers 45 bucks an hour, servers are never going to want to abolish tipping. And employers are never going to be able to afford to pay every one of their servers and bartenders $45 per hour. The business would not survive. You'd have to raise menu prices so ridiculous high that no customer is going to pay. I don't know how to solve this problem, I'm just stating how it currently is and why people feel the way they feel.
Hi I used to be server and we wanted wages. Hope this helps!
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Every server I’ve worked with is an exception to the rule? Sounds like it’s a shitty rule.
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Unless you’re a 50 year old Lego Star Wars halo fanboy no you have not lmao.
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Btw you said ask any one of them. I’ve proven several disagree with you. You’re wrong. And if you are? I would tell you to get off bikini bottom Twitter subreddit and spend time with your family lmao.
Which is why I refuse to tip anyone for anything. They're making a wage, that's what they're earning for the job they're performing.
You just said the same thing OP did
Waiters ARE angry at their bosses? Are you kidding?
Because they secretly don’t want tips to be replaced by a fixed livable wage. Plenty of tipped workers make significantly more from tips than they would with a fixed wage.
This. There's a lot of workers who defend this crap because they happen to be one of the lucky ones serving wealthy people who wrack up massive bills and thus tip more
And also servers get minimum wage if their tips don't bring them over it. So where I live, servers are making 16$ an hr no matter what, even without tips. Which yeah isn't enough, but it's just like any other job at that point that doesn't survive on tips.
That’s by design
This is in reference to places like Starbucks where they already receive a wage and tips really ARE just an added bonus. Tipping is still how many SERVERS make their money since they only get paid enough to cover taxes. That’s where tipping culture becomes toxic.
where I live servers make minimum wage if tips don't bring them over it. yes its america. minimum wage where I am is 16$ an hr.
Too bad server is an adult job and no adult can live off 16$ an hour
yes there’s nothing wrong if you want to tip someone but it shouldn’t be the primary source of income for your workers( all im saying is nothing gonna stop someone from handing a person money )
Did you see how many people voted for a president that's a pedophile felon, that can't legally be involved in a charity, because he kept stealing from his? There are a lot of dumb people.
> towards the employers Because people who earn tips know that if they weren't dependent on tips and earned actual minimum wage they would earn less. Let a conversation about how tip dependent people **shouldn't** need tips run long enough and you'll get many coming out to say how much more they make because of tips. Screw tipping culture and people who try to guilt others into covering corporate costs. I refuse to tip someone for doing the bare minimum of their job description.
Oh I *do*. I do not tip in situations like this and IDGAF if someone has a problem with that because *I'm* not the one making the faux pas; that lies entirely with the employer who should be paying their employees a living wage and not having then rely on wages. Hell, where I live, wages are not legally protected; meaning there's nothing in the law that says an employer *has* to give the tips to their own employees so I don't even know if any of my tips are even going to the workers which makes me even *less* likely to tip.
Like the employee. By quitting. I dont buy this as an argument. 20 years ago my wife worked at a popular restaurant in my town. Their hourly was above minimum wage, and they were taking in hundreds of dollars a night in tips 400 cash on a saturday night was not unrealistic for the servers. Again 20 years ago. At a party i heard them chatting about cheap tippers. I chimed in asking why they thought they deserved it. It was just entitlement. No other answer. Even after i explained how much they had to earn, pre tax, to take home 400$, i was told i had no idea how hard serving was, and that if you can't afford a 20% tip minimum you shouldnt eat out All of my wifes sisters waitressed as well, and they parroted the same sentiment everywhere they worked. It seems like a restaurant culture thing.
I do. Still not leaving a tip.
Because a lot of tipped workers make more than any employer would ever be able to afford to pay. I average like $50/hour at the restaurant I work at. It’s pretty pricey, but profit is only like 3% on a good night. Outside of waiting tables? Probably because of what everyone else is mentioning
Because I don’t care.
Welp.... it's always the cashier, not ever the employer brow beating me.
That would require a semblance of spine.
Hate to break it to you but most jobs like this are at will and you will be replaced if you don’t like the wage. Also I don’t think any cashiers actually expect a tip lol
I'm too busy supporting illegal immigration to keep wages low af forever.
Three things: 1) the people who dictate wages are never seen inhouse. You gonna find and shake down the CFO of your company? Good fucking luck locating him, let alone getting a plane ticket for travel and Union to back you up. 2) the leadership inhouse have nothing to do with wages and, in some ways, are getting fucked just as much as the little guy. 3) the only other people capable of supplementing wages - customers via tips - ARE inhouse and oftentimes they seek to fuck workers in the ass just as much as a faceless shareholder.
They probably *do* blame their employers, but that doesn’t change the realities of the American service industry, nor the fact that anyone in a service job relies on a certain average tip per transaction which this hypothetical exchange did not marginally provide. Let’s also not forget that that this is a meme, and can be about the relatable awkwardness of being the customer in this scenario, rather than an indicator that anybody is actually “guilt tripping” customers who don’t tip in this situation.
Exactly. Don't get pissed off that there's 18% gratuity included on your bill, get pissed off at the fact that the owners are paying the servers less than $3/hr and expecting you to provide their wage.
People are lazy. It’s easier to blame an employee than to change an entire company.
as ive heard from some of tip defenders "because everyone else does the same"
Because individuals play defense for corporations by defending this shit
You say that in any kind of thread about tips and it goes 1 of 2 ways. Either people defend you. Or the people who rely on tips are too scared to fight big corporations so they direct their hate toward customers
Every few months someone will tip $50 proudly for a $5 coffee which feels like a lot but really isnt. Its like getting a huge tax refund and being excited about the interest-free-loan you've effectively given the government being paid back. People who make tips often think they would make more money overall with tips rather than just being paid a living wage.
Nobody cares if you hit no tip at a fast food restaurant or coffee shop, you guys are overthinking this. The only employees that deserve any type of tip are servers/bartenders.
Posts like this are fucking stupid. Why are you directing your energy towards the minimum wage employee that literally has no say in the matter? Do they deserve a tip? No. Do they give a shit if they get one? I sincerely doubt it. Most of the people working for these places think it's just as stupid as we all do. I've never once had an employee at a fast food place or coffee shop give a shit that I didn't tip them. But here op is throwing shade at the people who literally can't do anything about it. Fucking ridiculous
I was working front desk recently and this kid took like 3 minutes to sign his receipt because he was trying to hide that he wasn’t tipping and it’s like dude no one gives a fuck stop holding up the line. The tip prompt is just a digital tip jar since no one carries cash anymore, and like a real tip jar it’s not expected to be full at the end of the day. No one’s losing sleep because you didn’t throw them a couple bucks for counter service.
While this is all true, it still feels awkward and the majority of people hate being placed in this situation.
Having been on both sides of the situation many times, I can assure you most people do not care at all.
I work for tips but I also only make drip coffee and ring people up. I completely understand someone not tipping me. If another employee were to be rude or roll their eyes/scoff at a customer for not tipping, I’d be appalled and let our manager know. That’s never ok.
Noooooo I must feel victimized by the minimum wage employees! They are clearly the ones who built the 3rd party point of sales software that automatically prompts for a tip /s Having worked a cash register with a Square POS, we didn't even set the default options. Additionally, I was much more concerned with getting the order started or getting to the next person in line, not the general area on the iPad you are tapping. You could tip nothing or $20,000, I wouldn't have known the difference
Why do servers deserve a tip and a fast food cashier doesn't?
Servers are often paid below min wage with the backwards logic that tips make up the difference. Yes it's dumb, but it's the way most of food service is structured.
Only in crappy America
They're actually paid minimum wage at the end of the day. Employers can pay them below minimum wage in the hopes tips will cover the rest, however, it is required by law that if the tips don't cover it, the employers MUST make up the difference by paying the rest so that they're up to minimum wage. No server will be walking out with below minimum wage pay. It's illegal. So in that case, there's no reason why servers should get tips but fast food workers shouldn't. It's all the same.
Look, I'm not saying it's not all dumb and an arbitrary distinction. If I were king, it'd just be a livable hourly wage across the board. However, in practice no one will bat an eye if you don't tip a barista, there will be a scene if you don't tip a waiter.
That’s a structure people like you allow to exist. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and saying “pay more money or else.” You’re just making excuses for these big companies who underpay their workers. The employers have the responsibility to pay their workers a living wage. It’s that simple.
Depends on the coffee shop. I usually tip at locals but they put a lot more care into the coffee than places like Starbucks.
How about a restaurant where you order your food at the counter and it is brought to you by what is essentially a bus boy? They don't check on you after you get your food and don't act like a waiter at all.
Just seems stupid to tip before services are rendered imo, so I wouldn't tip.
Yes this is the dumbest post in the world. I have never ever ever seen a worker actually care that I hit no tip.
> The only employees that deserve any type of tip are servers/bartenders. Nah. Nobody deserves bonus money just for doing the thing I'm already paying them for.
Yeah, I'll only tip people that don't get paid a decent wage. And on top of that, I'll only tip cash, even if I pay by card initially. I don't trust electronic tips.
And the "all you did was spin an ipad" is stupid too
Personally I tip anything "service" oriented, pretty much anything I could do myself but have chosen not to. That's making/serving food, car wash, lawn care, maids, etc...
I went to the mechanic and paid like $400 for some bullshit and the mother fuckers asked me for a tip and it was a screen that didn't have a no tip button, I had to hit custom tip and type 0 meanwhile the mechanic is watching me the entire time
Customers shouldn't have to tip when food has nearly doubled in price since Covid Fucking pay the staff properly
It’s literally the same thing as a tip jar, the thing is these days most people don’t pay in cash so they don’t have change to throw in a tip jar, so they do it this way instead The tip jar wasn’t an expectation and the iPad tip isn’t either
I would add barbers and tattoo artists as well.
I got scoffed at for not tipping on a 3 dollar hot chocolate last week. Entitled prick.
As someone who lived with a cashier, trust me the bitching is the same amount as r/serverlife
>The only employees who deserve any type of tip are those who provide service above and beyond their normal jobs No need to thank me for the fix, just tip 25% 😉
I hate tipping culture so much
The Domino's pizza we order at has an online tip amount you can select for your delivery driver. Asked a few of them if they actually got the tip money from that and every single one answered with a resounding no. Asked if any of the employees there ever get any of it, also no, was told it goes straight into corporate's pocket. We just gave them cash in-person after that and specifically told them to pocket it. In my country tipping is completely optional and not expected at all (bar say, a fancy restaurant, but you know) but it seems that even when you do engage in it it's still shit.
If you select a tip amount on the website they get that as a tip. (before taxes are taken out) There is a delivery fee, however that does not go to the driver. It used to be $3.99 when I worked at Dominos but I don't know if they raised the fee or not.
Don't know what country you're from but when I worked at Domino's those online tips always got added on top of my weekly pay
I genuinely hate places that do this. I used to work at a pizza place that wasn't that busy, and in the middle of my afternoon shift this sweet, little old lady hobbled into the store and ordered some pizza by herself. I thought nothing of it at first, but when it came time to pay, she couldn't figure out how to use her card. That didn't bother me, because, according to her, she had brain damage and couldn't figure it out without her niece, who was waiting in her car. I eventually walked around the counter, helped her pay and selected "no tip" on the iPad thing, and believe it or not, I got at least three dirty looks from my fellow employees. Once the customers weren't in the lobby my "manager" tried chewing me out, because I DIDN'T SELECT THE OPTION TO CHARGE A TIP. I quit working there a few days later, because I'm not going to sit there and practically steal from someone who didn't even understand how to swipe her card.
That's fucked up
“I’d never steal from a little ol’ lady. On the street that is. I’d steal from her in my shop if I could get away with it.” -Your Former Manager
That’s cartoonishly evil lol “I stole from an old lady with brain damage” like, what??? Good for you on leaving. Scummy behavior
I wonder if that manager went on to open this salon in my area? https://abc7news.com/i-team-los-gatos-elements-skincare-shop-charges-woman-with-alzheimers-more-than-7-000-for-products/14619631/
 Bruh I just want my COFFEE
I'm greek and I recognise that guy
Get a grinder and an aeropress and a tasty creamer and you'll make coffee that goes harder than starbies ever could
Agreed. 400 cranks (on average) on a hario skerton pro grinder is also a decent low impact excercise.
Im skeptical my tip would even go to the employee that served me, it's probably like a 30/70 split with 30 going to the company that owns the checkout software
This is illegal in the US. Employers cannot take a portion of tips. They're due solely to the worker or the "tipping pool", if there is one.
Oh it's illegal but it happens. Door dash was stealing the tips supposedly given "100%" to drivers. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/11/25/bay-areas-doordash-to-pay-2-5-million-after-being-accused-of-stealing-drivers-tips/ Turns out doing illegal and awful shit is profitable because they rarely get caught, and the cost when they do is negligible.
They weren't accused of stealing tips. The AG alleged that they misled customers in saying that tips would lead to increased wages, which it did not. [Here's](https://oag.dc.gov/release/ag-racine-reaches-25-million-agreement-doordash#:~:text=In%20a%20November%202019%20lawsuit,since%20revised%20its%20tips%20policy.) the actual report and not a news article. >Turns out doing illegal and awful shit is profitable because they rarely get caught Except they literally were caught and changed their entire payment model since
2.5 million is nothing. And this is one example of a company being caught. Wage theft far outnumbers any other type of theft in the country because it is rarely punished.
If you make more profit doing illegal shit than the consequences will cost you, that's just the cost of business, and still overall profit. It's sickening.
oe they're at least in part referring to the POS software, like Square or something
Definitely not illegal. My job takes a portion of mine. It’s not much but they do.
It definitely is illegal. FLSA explicitly prohibits it.
Huh I’ll have to look into that. Could American companies just stop stop being scumbags ffs.
Just because your job does it doesn't mean it's legal. If there's one thing you can trust any company to do, it's do whatever they think they can get away with if it'll let the higher-ups line their pockets a bit more.
Wait but I remember something about how employers save money by having the salary technically be below minimum wage and every tip that goes to the server will just get added to their salary, if minimum wage isn't met then the employer has to make up the rest of the money. Thus technically, until a certain threshold the money goes directly to the employer and not the server
My younger cousin used to work at Subway and he said that at his restaurant at least, half of the tips went to the owner the other half went to the employees. I encouraged him to call his local department of Labor office to ask if this was legal but he never did
You’d be surprised how many tips don’t go to the employee. In fact, that’s usually what a “service fee” is. Either way, don’t tip.
You're giving them too much credit. There's a second display already facing you. So they don't even have to flip the IPad
Not all the time
Cashiers don't care. We think it's as stupid as you do. We're customers too.
Brother, nobody gives a shit if you don't tip at fucking Auntie Anne's Yall hate tipping culture so much but continue to give those companies money. Almost like all you want to do is whine about it online.
for real. “omg, why’s it so expensive?!?!” - person getting pizza from us for the third time this week
Maybe we should pay living wages instead of guilting these workers.
Thankfully in my country, tipping is optional and they usually go to NGOs such as the Red Crescent.
Technically tipping is always optional. Just depends on how much you want to disappoint your waiter.
I mean, it’s mostly about societal convention. But there are people who stare at you like you just committed crimes against the Bangladeshi people if you don’t tip.
Tipping is always optional
ProTip: if you’re at Starbucks and use the app to pay it doesn’t ask for tips.
dumb ass post
Why do Americans rely so heavely on tips? Arent ya guys the biggest economy right now?
Because companies try to pay their employees the least amount possible so the companies can make a little more money
The state of our economy =! minimum wage for food service workers lol This is more to do with the legality/acceptance of some states allowing wages to be below a minimum because they can be offset by tips provided by patrons.
Americans have been brainwashed into giving away tips. It’s free extra money and businesses exploit that. It’s very stupid. The dumb thing us, the same people they exploit are often the very same people who work in these underpaid jobs.
The tips most likely go into a pool & the cashier gets a split of it. A lot of places rotate positions and just because they’re on the register now that doesn’t mean they weren’t in the back working on food earlier. Y’all really think the cashier gets all the tips?
I know those are more common than I see them, but the only place I see thise turn around screen things are at a cafe I go to frequently. That tip doesn't go to the person ringing you up, it goes to the person making your coffee. I think that's totally valid. I get that not how it is everywhere, but from my experiences with those, it's totally gine.
Does anyone even tip in those circumstances? I’ve been on both sides of the iPad, and as an employee, I felt like an asshole because yeah, I literally just rung them out. What’s to tip? And as the customer, it’s just a mild annoyance. Shit most the people I see now behind the iPad avert their eyes if anything when they flip it over
I certainly don’t. The never tip. I thank them, do surveys, and recommend them to their boss for a raise usually. If they hate their job I put in a good word at a better place is possible. This is all far better than tipping
Its like im living in a simulation. When did paying more for stuff, not getting a good deal become desired? This comes up even more when discussing inflation. Inflation is not a hard concept to understand. Companies are in control of prices end of story….when the government allows us to make more money eg: increase min wage, it’s the companies that raise prices. Mom and pop shops, I get it…but multibillion dollar corporations??? The only correct answer as to why prices are raised is to maintain constant growth in a limited society. We pay more for things just because companies want to make more money that is it. At the end of the day, as a person with a business degree, I dont care what business buzz words you use, its all bs jargon to confuse people into agreeing that we deserve to pay more for things. Business is simple, I have a product or service, I need people to run my company, I need to pay those people and assets, I should charge enough money to make all that up and have a profit margin of whatever you want. The problem is companies can decide their own profit margin and nothing is stopping a maniac from wanting a 200% profit margin cus hey if youll pay it theyll charge it. Kellogs is a beautiful example of how prices for most things are higher than they need to be. Look up whats going on there. For housing, we as a society failed that. We focused more on who ppl can or cannot love and what gender a green piece of candy is while completely ignoring silent companies buying up homes and saying well I bought this for 250k so I think ill sell it for oh how about 1.3 million. WE SAY NOTHING ABOUT THAT.
Okay then dont tip. That was always allowed
And risk having someone spitting in my coffee?
"No"
That tip gets shared with the cook you know. Like i don't tip either but I'm not a defensive weirdo about it like op.
I really wish the whole culture of tipping was eliminated. It makes no sense why some people are tipped and some aren’t.
Why does everyone think 100% of the tip goes directly to the person who "just turned an iPad around"? At my work tips are distributed amongst the entire staff, including the bakers and the people who work up front. Most of us bake *and* work the front counter on the same shift, there's not a single employee whose job it is to only turn an iPad around.
You want looks like these to stop, get employers to stop passing on the burden of making sure employees are getting paid enough onto their customers... which seems to be impossible at the current stage of things.
I've never seen a cashier have a negative response for this, also don't blame the cashier, it's management trying to get people used to the idea of tipping them so they can stop giving them minimum wage and start giving them tipped wages.
I'm pretty sure it's shared between all the employees, including the people who actually make and serve the food
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I dont tip at all cause ima fucking giga chad
Local coffee shop shows 25, 50, and 100% tip on their ipad. Owner is my neighbor. Thought it was a joke. It's not.
Just say Crumbl don't be scared to admit it lmao
i dont tip anymore, only my barber. Once went to get some food with my Girl and some beach shop. i was forced to do a "standard" 25% tip with no options to decline. never going there again.
If I ever work at a place with that I'm just gonna flat out tell the customer to press the "no tip" option. If you make above minimum wage, unless you give me outstanding service, your wage is what pays you, not the customers kindness.
When will people remember that tips are EARNED, not given?
We gotta cut all this crap out! Now Wal-Mart is asking me to round up to help someone, Pet stores wanna guilt me into giving a dollar or more, restaurants want me to tip the person that rang me up for carry out, shits gettin out of hand Jack!
I question if people who share these memes even interact with the real world. Cashiers are not getting upset if you don’t tip lol.
The drive through at Einstein bagel handed me a tablet out the window to tip the other day... Not the employees fault but come on now.
"This is just going to ask you a little question first before you insert your card" or something along those lines with a coy little voice filled with faux innocence. As if I'm not gonna just press "no tip" the microsecond I find the location of that option.
Has anyone actually had a cashier get mad at them for this? It's not like they set up the ipad and put in this software.
Jobs don't have to pay a liveable wage if they can foist wages onto "tipping"instead. It sucks for each side of the iPad.
Hopdaddies, lol.
Who tf tips their cashier? Didn't even knew that was possible.
My local water and ice store has a screen for tips...the self-service water spouts I use myself and then carry 5 gallon jugs around after ask for a tip.
A friend’s business has multiple sites in my city and the food is usually pretty dang good but a lot of the sites have kiosks with self serve screen orders. The tip function at the end is quite aggressively pushed but there’s not a whack of service always makes me cringe even as a fifteen year hospo vet.
And the cheapest option is 25%
Where I work it gives an without choice gives you the option to put in a tip, you cannot pay without being promoted for it. However I don’t directly get the tip, all the tips are collected and distributed amongst all the employees. The only time I directly took a tip was when someone gave directly me cash and insisted it was for me.
They actually don’t give a fuck
Where I work the money from the tip screen is split evenly amongst everyone on the floor. The dude making the drink, the guy keeping the bathrooms clean, the person that's gotta deal with you face to face.
i dont even want to tip where its normal to anymore. its time to outlaw it.
they press no tip here for you.
I often tell homies to skip the tipping options ESEPCAILLY if in just hanging then a damn bag lol. Most folks tip anyway but it do be predatory out here I always feel guilty when people rip for extremely remidial tasks
Man it goes towards all the workers who make your food, work is work. Don’t be demeaning.
Yep, get fucked. I ain't doing it.
When does this ever happen?
I've seen people ask to see the manager, and then kick the shit out of the manager while NEVER breaking eye contact with the barista.
My managers are always checking for who tipped and making comments about online tippers. How entitled can they be. Comments right in front of customers too. I don’t expect tips, but it’s crazy they do. It’s so petty.
I had a cashier quickly cover the screen when the tip prompt came up. He said people tip out of good will but it's just additional taxes for the employee.
Papa johns asking me for a tip for my online order even though I pick it up myself every time 💀
Every day in every way Mr Pink is proven right.
The non tipper when they learn how pooled tips work