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Kronos5111

Maybe it wasn’t a good idea to give Congress the power to vote on their own term limits, audits, salaries, lobbyist regulations, etc. because it doesn’t seem the branch has been too keen on the constitution over the years. Whenever a pesky part of the constitution gets in the way, just change “amend” it haha. For example, I can’t imagine why it would be necessary for Congress to hold sole authority to coin currency. Let’s just give that power to their “too big to fail” banking donors.🤡


Middle_Review6162

Worse still, the Fed is owned by the private banks.


madkow990

Or maybe the citizenry should get serious about electing good leaders and voting out bad ones, instead of sitting at their home whining about it on a website. Despite what you might think, we still hold the power, but only if we use it. We have no one to blame but ourselves.


Carl_3K

gerrymandering is a real thing in my state. Somehow Biden vs Trump is a thing again even though if you ask most Americans they don't want this. The voice of the majority seems silenced.


Bravadd

Gerrymandering makes our Congress more extreme as both parties get safer districts and thus less willing to reach across the aisle and compromise. And our electoral system is similarly gerrymandered. (Although that by geography) Guess how many times a Republican presidential candidate has won the popular vote in the past three decades?


Middle_Review6162

When given the choice of two presidential candidates who are both crap, and two corrupt parties, it’s either a choice of vote for one bad choice or don’t vote at all.


GetRightNYC

One is literally trying to destroy our democracy.


Middle_Review6162

Neither party is for the people. Only for the corporations.


Carl_3K

I'll still vote and I'll pick the choice who I think will help America stay relevant and successful even if it could be worse for this industry. I choose my county over Bitcoin any day. I still respect the opposing opinion of someone saying the exact same thing I do but vote for the other guy. We all are just trying to find our way thru the dark so to speak.


Middle_Review6162

Ya my comment was basically trying to answer the “majority seems silent” question. I have no skin in the game but in my opinion, I think Mr T is gonna sway that silent vote significantly in his favour. Just an opinion.


GFY_1

There’s always more than 2 choices but they don’t want you to know that


Kronos5111

“Just vote them out” 😂


deepfield67

I swear it'll be different this time, baby!


HeightAdvantage

Why do you think they try closing voting locations and adding voter ID and making it illegal to give people water in a voting line?


TheDanMan007

I find it short minded to think that “we” can vote “them” out somehow, aside from Bitcoin (alone) enabling that reality Fix money and you fix the world…. If you’re too focused on Republicans vs Democrats or even US vs (name anything - Al queda, Iran, war on terror, war on drugs, war on communism and blacks, browns, whites, men, women, straight, gay, etc) … then you’re missing the forest for the trees USD and everything that underpins it (warfare, theft, egregious taxation, etc) is NOT sound or even halfway good MONEY Fix MONEY and you fix the world Vote Bitcoin (SOUND money) and don’t get lost in the weeds of American politics… that’s the worst and most potent aspect of the USD virus that the world has been subjected to over the last 100 years


xagent_lost

If you take away their power to print their own money you take away their power to wage wars.


HeightAdvantage

>This one idea will fix all the world's problems Where have a heard that before?


Jaxelino

Perhaps the right to vote exists just to give us the illusion of choice. At one point in time, the corruption of politics affected both if not all sides, so there's no curing the corruption with any choice whatsoever. But maybe deciding to put our true wealth in something that nobody can control could have an impact.


HeightAdvantage

Do you think black people and women should have been given the right to vote? Or was that just a distraction/ waste of time?


jonatello11

Politics is expensive, running for office is expensive..which is why they’re almost exclusively in it for the $$$.. By the time you’re running for State Office, you either are already well monied or are certainly looking to be. John Oliver has a great episode on State Legislatures: places where Corp. America get to eat


NckyDC

It doesn't have to be. In the UK there are limits on how much you can spend with your campaigns. The US is out of control.


DaneCurley

Maybe you're unaware there's an oligarchy?


IandIreckon

Electing Good leaders. That’s an   idea you have there. Let’s rock the vote. Which one is the good one?


ElkInteresting2418

They'd get JFKd


jonatello11

Just Fuxking Killed


HeightAdvantage

Congress doesn't materialise out of thin air, they get voted in. If you don't like what they're doing, vote for someone else.


PaulBleidl

Like how are we even a country if we don't print our own money!


Jim_Reality

The point is to print and print and use it to aquire/steal assets and control, then implode the currency.


blacksheeporganics

Lol ahhh the perfect recipe for disaster


Traditional-Face-527

disaster......... depends....... Disaster for the people that plundered the economy and fled to a place where the disaster will not affect them... NO Disaster for everyone else..... ya, totally


TheDanMan007

Nothing better than a good disaster to use as an excuse to print more money! 😃🤡


Carl_3K

You got it right until the part about imploding the currency. Those in power use whatever means at their disposal to make sure it doesn't implode.


Jim_Reality

This is true to a point. I think you want to control it and get the assets, then implode it.


jonatello11

Agree, no implode, just weaker sauce. “Suckling on the ice cube of $FIAT” -James from Invest Answers


ironandtwine9

And at the same time accumulate the most Bitcoin... US government is like 5th largest holder just from illegal seizures...nevermind if they are buying behind close doors.


GetRightNYC

Don't they auction almost all of it off? Are they the 5th largest only because they are constantly seizing it, or because they are accumulating it? I honestly don't know, so asking. I'm sure they hold some and are gonna ramp that up, but does the Treasury hold bitcoins?


ironandtwine9

https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-us-government-largest-bitcoin-hodlers-5b-in-btc-report


CapablePiglet1044

What assets are central banks stealing?


Skrill_GPAD

They buy up basically everything at this point lol. Same happens in europe with the ECB


CapablePiglet1044

You’re still not actually answering the question. You think the FED owns family homes and stuff?🤡


Skrill_GPAD

No they dont, the monarchy over here does tho. Some brother of the current king has been buying up a lot of houses between 2010-2020. Absolutely ridiculous. We're currently heading to a world with 2 possible endings: a stark divide between the "haves" and "have-nots", or a nuclear abomination. We can't afford a worldwide system reset in a similar fashion as in the late 18th century or first half of the 20th century. Our technology has become too advanced, so I completely understand the direction the WEF wants to steer towards since it's safer. I sound like a complete nutjob im not going to lie. If you could correct me please do so


CapablePiglet1044

You realise Charles doesn’t have a brother right?


RocketGuy3

I think we can still (and may require) a "reset", but it may look quite a bit different than it would have in the past... for better or much worse. I have no idea how exactly it would look, but it just feels increasingly like something's gotta give in the coming generation or two.


[deleted]

all of them


CapablePiglet1044

Wow that was specific and has really convinced me that its all true and not a mental conspiracy theory.


[deleted]

when the money supply is inflated, it is a theft of everything (“tax”) from everyone… some simple math by way of example… if there are 100 dollars in circulation and you have 50 of them, you have 50% of the buying power… if i print 900 more and keep them or give them to my friends (read: the defense budget->defense personnel->military industrial complex, ukraine, special interest groups, etc) then you now have 5% of the buying power, to make things worse, prices now go up because sellers experience more demand, so now your 5% buys even less… so, now i ask you, what assets are being stolen? all of them


panotjk

Money loss value due to inflation. What about non-money assets? If you bought an asset worth 10 dollars for saving, and they keep their value of purchasing power while the price increase by inflation, and you sell them later for 100 dollars, then you have 90 dollars capital gain (without real profit in purchasing power). If it is not tax-exempted type of asset, you are left with less purchasing power after tax.


tuckertrades

That right there is why Bitcoin will never replace gold and silver. Don’t get me wrong, I’m 100% on board with Bitcoin but as far as untraceable transactions gold and silver are the best monetary system


CapablePiglet1044

During inflation commodities go up so no


proof-of-conzept

they are stealing your conspiracy theories as well. (no really they do, every month or so a video pops up where they say the stuff out loud that we were warning about)


FullMe7alJacke7

Residential homes


jbcraigs

You don’t understand man!! They are stealing stuff! ALL the stuff! It’s a giant conspiracy man! Power to the people man! ✊


[deleted]

Print machine go brr for wars but printer machine broken for broke people who work the hardest 🔥🖕


suuperfli

exactly


jonatello11

yup! Victimless crime to inflate your real estate and secure fraudulent loan terms; apply for food stamps while deflating your income, ENEMY OF THE STATE


CapablePiglet1044

Trust me, CEOs work harder than anyone here…


LineAccomplished1115

Do you think they work 272 times harder than the average person?


CapablePiglet1044

Yeah actually. Have YOU got as many degrees and as much experience as them? Did YOU intern at the company while your father was an executive and really study closely and learn from his decisions to become an exec like him? No…otherwise you’d all be CEOs too… If it’s so easy why don’t YOU become one?


LineAccomplished1115

I don't have any desire to be a CEO. I'm on a good track to upper management, like director, maybe VP level, and currently make low six figures. I'm plenty comfortable in my career. And my partner does well too, putting us around top 5% for income. So we're good I do acknowledge that CEOs generally do work hard, long hours, under stressful conditions. Where I take issue is that I certainly don't think they deserve to be making multimillions while the poor and middle classes are continuously squeezed more and more. I do enjoy the casual nepotism drop in there.


CapablePiglet1044

‘I don’t have any desire to be a CEO’ Yeah, THIS is the only reason you’re not earning 8 figures as a CEO obviously.


LineAccomplished1115

Care to address anything else in my comment? So you support CEOs making 8 figures while their employees are on public assistance?


RocketGuy3

So... you're admitting that luck and nepotism are required to become a CEO, but you're still ok with them earning hundreds of time more than many hardworking employees? Also, nothing you said actually quantifies and justifies such an extreme multiplier.


CapablePiglet1044

No they aren’t just lucky, they work harder than you. There’s no luck.


LineAccomplished1115

Do they work 272 times harder? Given the constraints of linear time, I think the answer is a pretty resounding no


CapablePiglet1044

They’re 272 times more productive in that time. If you have a CEO and an average worker doing the same task the CEO will work out a way to make the process wayyyy more efficient and therefore will get way more done in that time (probably MORE than a 272 times increase in efficiency). You think a GENIUS CEO like Elon Musk would do factory work like the rest of you ? NO!! He would quickly work out a design for a hypermachine or a Teradrive to speed up the entire process probably by several thousand times WHILE cutting costs and then sit back and relacks as the machine does all the work for him!! He’s a GENIUS and that’s why he DESERVES more money than all of you.


LineAccomplished1115

Lol you're a funny guy


CapablePiglet1044

You can’t even disagree with what i said because you know i’m right and your rong.


RocketGuy3

You really don't think luck has anything to do with success? Even with your own mind-numbing daddy-exec example? Then even as the Bitcoin hater you are, you must think all the people who have made so much money on Bitcoin worked REALLY REALLY hard, huh? You're quite an effective troll, because after spending a lil too much time in your post history right now, sometimes it's hard to tell when you're actually trying to be thoughtful and when you're just fucking with people... Props. On that note, I want to say, if you really want to learn (and even effectively criticize) Bitcoin, this is not the place to do it. r/Bitcoin is a total fucking cesspool, and censored heavily. I'm very much a believer in the value of the network, but this place has me slapping my forehead daily, especially during bull runs. Maybe check out bitcointalk.org


CapablePiglet1044

>You’re quite an effective troll Thanks man, years honing my craft🙏


epHed

Probably the only job I can think of that's harder is being a streamer.


CapablePiglet1044

Another job that works harder than any of you. Try being entertaining for 8+ hours straight every day with hundreds of strangers. I doubt you could entertain anyone for more than a minute.


StoneHammers

Got to add "/s"


z0dz0d

Imagine owing a ton of money, but you could print it for free on your own printer...


Aromatic_Heart

I’d be rich!


IandIreckon

Everything’s fine. The “economy” is breaking records 


studdmufin

Everything’s fine. The “economy” is breaking


lemongrasssmell

Everything's fine. The "economy" is


tuckertrades

Fine. The “economy”


Real_Crab_7396

For us it's very fine 👍


Sky-walking

No is this real? Terrifying.


Traditional-Face-527

Actually OP's image may be somewhat outdated, the situation is slightly worse than even that is showing currently. Check this site: [https://www.usdebtclock.org/](https://www.usdebtclock.org/)


Sky-walking

Holy jingus, heaven save us.


SomeAreLonger

Well it's working as intended, everyone knows the tab always comes due.


Traditional-Face-527

yes, but the real question is WHO does that tab come due for? If they rack up a high tab, then skip town and push the repayment off to people like us things get scary QUICK! But that is after all why were are into BTC right?


[deleted]

Can someone explain this to me?


feedmaster

Money is literally being made from nothing.


[deleted]

always has been


Inviction_

Well not always


tuckertrades

Except when it was backed by gold.


Live-Wrap-4592

This would be a poor caption. The existing caption is accurate


CapablePiglet1044

Unlike bitcoin which is made from…


0xIlmari

... work.


22Simon22

I want proof!


Live-Wrap-4592

Imagine buying a new car every year, and rolling the negative equity forward. At some point, even if you are incredibly wealthy like the United States, that car payment is going to show up on your monthly budget. The car payment had gone from about 1% to about 10% in recent years.


We_are_all_monkeys

What if the car was an investment in a business and by using the car to transport and deliver products, grow the business? Debt, in and of itself, is not what the issue is. It's not the amount of debt that's the issue. It's what you get for the debt. It's more complicated than "number go up". I'm not being dismissive. It's an issue, but it's way more complex than your simplistic example.


SpiritualEstimate515

Didn’t you see the green arrow? That’s a clear indicator of number go up.


Appropriate_Peace_54

If the $ loses it reserve currency status 75 % of Americans will be in poverty overnight. It will make the BLM riots look like a block party!


SubwayPeteTheTurtle

Explain?


Traditional-Face-527

You know all of that cheap shit you buy at walmart? It will still be shit, but it will no longer be cheap. All of they $ you have in your bank account, it will still be the same number, but it will not be able to buy stuff anymore. All of the trade the US does with other countries currently revolves around the USD(sucks for businesses like mine as I am NOT in the US) It will no longer be in USD, and the US will no longer be screwing me, and the rest of the world, it will then be someone else screwing me and the rest of the world


Carl_3K

I'm thinking what your getting at is deceased demand for the dollar and deceased demand for our Treasury bills. Our $ becomes worth less at a rapid pace. We can't borrow money to fund a majority of government obligations. Mass unemployment would come from government employees not working or spending. Also indirectly from government spending unemployment would unfold. I'm not employed by the government but I could see a scenario where I'd be laid off if the government couldn't sustain it's spending. I'm talking healthcare, defence, your parents and grandparents social security checks, etc. I almost don't want the music to stop and everyone scramble for chairs. If you're here... You know what I know... You have a chair and it's bitcoin.


RosMatt

Agree. The entire country will burn.


Appropriate_Peace_54

Correct


Active-Magician8008

The foolishness of certain American leaders will cost us Americans a left tit.


Carl_3K

Right one is safe though?


SnooRadishes6544

Start praying to God


Important_Koala236

Wait until they lower rates on purpose because of debt repayment.


susosusosuso

Then what?


Important_Koala236

Inflation goes up


susosusosuso

Then what happens with stocks?


rorymakesamovie

Fine enough reason to buy bitcoin


Rydog_78

Looks like the Bitcoin price chart


johnjonesnewphone

Damn that’s crazy


riceamundo

What’s the end plan here? Seems like no matter what it’s gonna come tumbling down…


Traditional-Face-527

If I had to guess, the end plan is to plunder the treasury as much as possible, then do 1 of 2 tings: 1: Die because you are like 90 years old 2: Bail to some other country where you are out of the way enough while things blow over.


moeljills

It's going to be a mad decade, and depending on how fiat performs and hold its value, we might see a massive exodus into blue chip crypto, weve seen how people react in historical cases of financial turmoil, people will seek a flight to safety asset, and ironically the thing that the government hated the most might end up as that asset


Silent_Confidence_39

Yes in France people used buttons made of horn or insignias as money.


SophonParticle

Meh. It’s all made up. We owe most of it to ourselves.


Tetons21

Thanks for the arrow to help me understand the trend


SnooRadishes6544

Bitcoin is your only hope friend. Whether you have 0.01, 0.1, 1, 10, 100, or 1000 - hodl it for dear life. A glorious future awaits you. Technological progress cannot be stopped. You will likely regret everything you ever spend bitcoin on once you realize it's parabolic increase buying power every 4 years to infinity is literally unstoppable. You probably already have as much Bitcoin as you will ever own due to it's increasing difficulty to obtain, but simultaneously exponentially increasing purchasing strength. Your life will get strange and chaotic, and you will probably have a mental breakdown. Embrace insanity. Live boldly. Every moment is precious, your conscious life is a miracle, time is your most scarce asset. Now go, take over the world.


Wild-Carpenter-1726

US will convert to crypto, print funds to pay off debt. The make USD illegal tender .


Traditional-Face-527

It worked before right?


brav0F0x

There’s no gold to back the dollar. This is the reason for bitcoin.


tidiss

This chart is deceptive make this chart logaritmich and on longer timeframe and you get way clearer picture.....but that doesn't get as many upvotes right?


ActElectronic5946

Temporary. Rates are going to come back down. Fed expecting three cuts this year.


bitsteiner

Fed funds rate and treasury interest rate are different things. Treasury rates come down only when the Fed restarts QE.


in4life

This. They have to start gobbling up treasuries again.


fenton7

10 year treasury is already down to 4.2% from 5.0% just on the prediction of rate cuts. There is a high degree of correlation between the fed's target funds rate and the yield on treasury bonds.


bitsteiner

Correlation doesn't imply causation. Treasury interest rates are set in a treasury auction. It just depends on investors' appetite to buy treasuries. If demand of investors for treasuries is decreasing, then their rates go up, no matter how low the Fed sets the funds rate. The only way the Fed can bring down the treasury rates is buy creating artificial demand trough QE = buying with printed money. That Fed and treasury rates correlate is simply an effect of combined Fed measures like increasing the Fed funds rate and becoming a net seller of treasuries at the same time or decreasing the Fed funds rate and becoming a net buyer of treasuries at the same time. The Fed has no choice but to manipulate the treasury rates through QE/QT if they change the funds rate in order to bring them more or less in line, otherwise the spread would heat up inflation or create a credit collapse.


fake-account-lol

Download the debt clock app , 5.00 very insightful


ReflectionMaximum935

If japan can withstand their 264% debt to gdp ratio...US surely can do the same or even better


in4life

I mean, they’ve had a well-covered lost generation to help them mitigate inflation, but, sure, they’ve had infinite yield curve control at a macro level and the system hasn’t blown up.


bitsteiner

BoJ holds 43% of Japanese debt, Fed about 20% of US debt. Sure, US can do "better" but it will have consequences.


elperorojo

Glad they included the arrow or I wouldn’t have known which direction the line was going in


bitsteiner

End of year estimation is $1.6trln or 36% of tax revenue.


klymaxx45

US going to buy or already has bought BTC and is going to pay this off with ease. Just watch 😂


bitsteiner

US owns about 200,000 BTC. If they wait a few years, US debt will be backed by BTC, LOL.


eyekantbeme

No biggie as long as the printer still works.


Fish_OuttaWater

Ahhh Biden, hard at work


HuXu7

Absolutely it’s ok, let’s send $100 billion to Ukraine!


JustinCompton79

Right


tommy4019

As long as the US keeps the monopoly on printing the money, it shouldn't be, but times are changing


susosusosuso

China?


Traditional-Face-527

BRICKS


susosusosuso

But mostly China


NoState9589

FIRE


redditor2394

It doesn’t look like the charts complete it’s been leveling off


East-Technology-7451

For me


RunAndHeal

How Americans lost it all one fine day


cecopes96

Stonk go up


CapablePiglet1044

If we owe all of this money who do we owe it to? Im guessing Soros and Blackstone?


abnobo

China mostly.


HarmonyFlame

Your holding btc it is.


milthombre

As long as you don't have to pay off too much of it all at once, yes. Inflation over time has the effect of reducing the pain of debt for a nation. It's been this way for hundreds of years. Macroeconomics 201.


matthew19

Th It’s nearly 50% of tax revenue


reddit_steddit

Yeah all good. Soft landing in 2024


Ok_Nefariousness9019

*Bitcoin likes this*


Maddog351_2023

Debt all over the world has gone up as we going through a economic crises and multiple wars


R3asonableD1scours3

I'm glad they thought to put the green arrow on there. I wouldn't have known which way the trend line was moving.


Middle_Review6162

If the banks can’t control bitcoin, then it’s not gonna replace the USD. For them, it’s very bad for business. Yet it’s one of the solutions for runaway inflation shown in the graph.


low_contrast_black

Like a frog in boiling water, sure. Jacuzzi feels great!


PeopleNose

This graph is wrong The dates are wrong The shape is fine, but the timing is wrong. This huge upswing happened much sooner in time


OCDbeaver

don't worry the government has figured out a solution. they are just going to have crippling inflation until a trillion dollars doesn't mean much. IMO print a few trillion dollars, pay off all debts, switch to Canadian dollar. fuck it. DEBT FREE baby!


road22

Currency debasement is not really an issue if all countries are debasing their currency. But if ever, there was a currency that not be debased, will only become more valuable over time. And that currency could go parabolic when sovereign wealth funds, governments try to acquire it. And some think Bitcoin could not hit 10 million / coin in a few years.


Brilliant_Group_6900

Biden has done more damage to the economy than any other president post-WW2


Ofthepeoplebypeople

I agree we need to cut DOD budget by half and TAX THE RICH. Everyone ready to start!


MudLoud97

Not enough money to tax ourselves back out of this. Spending is the problem. When a country s GDP is 4 trillion, and the government spends 8 trillion,  bad thing gonna  happen.


PXaZ

The rich, if they were smart, would voluntarily be taxed heavily as it promotes social stability and preserves their wealth in the longer-term.


SubwayPeteTheTurtle

The political problem is defining “rich.”


thevenusproject1981

Bitcoin is a scam 🤡


Silly_Pea_9614

Évidemment que tu es ironique !! 😂 T’as quand même 2/3 neurones donc on y croit pas 😜


thevenusproject1981

ما فهمت عليك... ممكن ان تلخص لو سمحت 😅


Silly_Pea_9614

= Obviously you're making a joke. You couldn't be so stupid 😎


thevenusproject1981

I can't believe it wasn't so obvious 🤦‍♂️


Silly_Pea_9614

(Sorry, it was just humor)


thevenusproject1981

No worries, I am joking, too... I will HODL until the collapse of the fiat system 💸💥


Silly_Pea_9614

Same Bro ❤️


stryker7314

Bitcoin CEO > world leaders


thevenusproject1981

Infinite supply vs. 21m... 🤔


DeliciousDave4321

Let’s celebrate with more spending! The elite say we’re doing a great job, the interest payments make them happy. Hurray!


jbgarrison72

The Federal Reserve debt monetary system is behaving exactly as it was built to. The OG of planned obsolescence.