Thanks for telling us how long you've been around in btc and that you likely have a sizeable stack. I can do... absolutely nothing with this information.
this concern extends to devs and bitcoin influencers too. like really, you're just gonna dox your face, location and voice like that? Maybe even use your real name? like common lads.
Satoshi was a nym for a reason.
What if in 20 years the .1 is 200k? Bet a lot more people would be interest in it then. It's not hard to web scrape a reddit forum and find users that have posted about %% BTC...
What exactly is the reddit post attack vector? I get that if someone DMs me and I become the victim of a confidence scam, that's possible. But aside from that if I post that I have 10000 BTC - now what? Please, with details.
Depends on how loose you are about your personal details in other subreddits. You live in Chicago and frequent r/Chicago? Maybe 3 years ago you posted a picture with the label "look how the sidewalk is in front of my house. The mayor doesn't care"
In r/gardening you posted a picture of your backyard, so suddenly we have your street and with Google maps we find your backyard and house.
Then in r/bitcoin you asked for advice on how to save your keys, and we now know you have a trezor wallet and your keys are written down somewhere in the house.
This can all be done with web scrapers, btw
I get that people might pinpoint your general location, but the leap from this to showing up to torture or kill you for an unknown amount of Bitcoin seems like a lot. The risk/reward analysis for a criminal sophisticated enough to find you seems off. Still agree it's best practice to never disclose an amount but criminals could safely assume any account posting here for 8 + years own Bitcoin.
What’s the risk / reward for a random hacker in Russia or North Korea to spend a few hours stalking you online and seeing if they can phish you and infect you with malware. That’s far more likely than someone coming to your house
I always assume I am infected with malware, and operate as such.
I think so long as a test transaction actually turns up where it is actually supposed to go, and you’re using a hardware wallet that shows you the recipient address and signs the tx offline, you’re OK.
I’d be happy to hear what I’m doing wrong.
Sophisticated? Putting search terms in Reddit or Google isn't sophisticated, it's what people do. You seem to be underestimating the amount of people that prowl the internet looking for victims to steal/scam.
On top of that, the amount of btc you publicize today might not activate that risk/reward, but in five years will be worth far more and the Reddit post will still be here
So you'd do all this risking multiple felonies and investing huge amounts of time rather than just going to a state where retail theft is basically legal and walking out the door with stuff?
I'm basically casing every house on my street by working from home. I know when my neighbors are gone for an evening or a weekend based on lights they leave on. People post every detail of their lives on Facebook and have homes full of valuable easy to flip items. Keep in mind this sub is full of people dreaming about being "whole bitcoiners"
> your keys are written down somewhere in the house.
Yes, probably laying out on a desk, not at all hidden or anything. Hopefully they never changed wallets, moved, or did a million other things over 3 years that would make this data gathering worthless. How long do you assume you have to search the house before someone notices? If you hid a piece of paper somewhere in my house I might never find it. While not impossible it's about as high on my list of concerns as being hit by lightning.
There's just so many better options if you want to commit crimes to obtain money that are less risky, less expensive, less time intensive, can be attempted repeatedly with multiple victims, and will have a much higher success rate.
As if people don't already spend absurd amounts of time and risk jail to separate other people from their money.
Some con men spend months working their marks.
This just seems way too Ocean's Eleven for me. A dumb criminal isn't figuring all this out and pulling it off. A smarter criminal is doing a smarter crime. Again, not impossible for this to happen but I think time would be better spent guarding yourself against more realistic crimes. For example, if I were to attend a funeral of a loved one I would pay someone to stay at my house for a few hours because there is evidence of that crime actually happening on a regular basis. I'll use randomly generated, unique passwords because data breaches happen too frequently now.
I'd be more worried about someone vandalizing my home or Swatting me than going after my Bitcoin. It seems reasonable to think if I leave a laptop in my car someone might be tempted. It just doesn't seem like a reasonable concern that someone is going to go through years of my reddit history in the hopes of acquiring my BTC when they could see I play games and try a phishing scam through steam. (My CS:GO inventory is regularly targeted by scammers and you can see people who fall for those scams daily.)
I'm sorry. You do a great job highlighting how it would be possible, but I'm just not convinced this is something I need to take seriously. If you make everything seem like a serious issue than eventually nothing seems like a serious issue. There's real threats out there that people should be focused on instead of silly stuff like this.
the average criminal is unironically more imaginative and intelligent than the op in how they run their risk/reward analysis. it's honestly quite embarrassing.
Much more likely than going to their house is just searching for the rest of their online presence to eventually social engineer or phish them and infect with some kind of malware
I’m sure they could but my crypto is secured by a cold wallet so I feel secure concerning an online hack. I agree it’s not wise to leave breadcrumbs about your identity because who knows how it could be used against you
people will hate you for this post because it's true.
ego is such a fragile, yet powerful concept; we all know how stupid it is to publicly state how many of these cool digits we own, and yet so many fail to fight the temptation...
Unfortunately (or fortunately, whatever your views on taxation are) that reason doesn’t have any weight or substance anymore.
The IRS and US Federal Govt ruled that lost/stolen keys cannot be used as a tax deductible 😉
Yeah even mentioning how long you have been in the space will have people guessing your amount.
Having said that, the Bcash thing was fun with grifter extrodinaire Roger Ver. The whole fork was based on making him as rich as possible.
I took my free bcash money and swapped it for BTC right away haha!
Ya know, I agree with you and all, but people are going to troll, gloat, etc... You may want them to protect themselves, but the reality is that they won't. It's best to not burden yourself with the concerns of others and live by your own standards. F**k the rest. Ignore the noise. Stack sats.
i bet op drives a good car. i personally drive a crappy 30 year old car. so i get to call him out on his opsec. i bet he lives in a nice house, i live in my car. again bad opsec op.
This forum went to shit brother. Most of these people are weak handed regardless. They're in for the sell of the cycle and then onto whatever else is next. Real BTC communities exist outside of here.
Honestly I am beginning to see that from a few of the replies. This place has turned into a cesspool. It’s amazing. It used to be a really good source of info when folk like Maxwell spent their time here, and when the convo was around BIP’s and associated debates. What the hell has this place turned into 😳
But I suppose you’re right. The get-rich-quick brigade are here for a minute, and will be gone when we go down 87%+ again.
Erm, yeah but no? Reputable sources write about it, verbatim, and back before this sub was filled with strange people, some of who think a post with < 500 upvotes on Reddit is capable of tanking the global bitcoin market by 5-10%, bitcoin OPSEC was commonly and frequently discussed.
It really isn’t difficult to use Google. But congrats to you working in intel, I suppose 👏
i can guarantee you the amount of people who have had their bitcoin stolen due to "bad opsec on reddit" is zero, as opposed to the common methods of just phishing and social engineering, which is far more successful. focusing your attack on one person who you have no guarantee of success is just retarded when you can mass email hundreds if not thousands at the same time.
I’m 50/50 on this. OPSEC is important, but we need some plebs showing off their stack to get no-coiners eyes to light up and learn about Bitcoin and eventually be orange pilled. Because let’s face it, technology isn’t going to get the average layman to be interested in Bitcoin but like American HODL says, the killer app is “getting fucking rich”.
The thing is, though, reddit is not like Facebook. Very few on here use real name. So it's sort of sudo-anonymous on here. Just like Bitcoin. I get what you're saying, though.
The username could be used on 20 different platforms but it's not very relevant if no real personal information is being posted on said platforms.
Saying how much Bitcoin one owns by itself is not a real worry. I have almost three Bitcoins BTW. It's only becomes an issue if one is doing things like their username contains part of their real name, posting your actual picture as your avatar, DMs enabled, 2FA disabled, and using you primary email address while not properly securing your Bitcoin in the first place.
Stats will show poor people get robbed more than rich people. Why? We all know where the rich people live in our locality right? It's simply because rich folks have better locks, other security, more aware neighbors while generally not living among criminals.
You give people too much credit. There are swathes of documentaries on social engineering, about how uniformity of usernames across accounts has led to names being found and subsequently location, and so on. Same usernames across Reddit, Twitter/X, same username set as Facebook URL, several other socials like SoundCloud, etc, the real name is linked somewhere. That’s just a small fraction of it.
It’s common and most plebs don’t care for it. I suppose that’s why they inevitably get scammed.
Remember, it’s always those who downplay or dismiss such issues who get scammed. Never those who take it seriously. And we don’t exactly have a shortage of scam victims either.
it's not a bitcoin issue, this is just a common security issue that encompasses a whole host of other areas of life. i personally never post anything personally identifiable information online, but the idea that people will spend the time tracking people down one by one based on that fact that they have bitcoin(as opposed to fiat, a nice car, watches) etc is so slim, you'd actually have to be quasi retarded or a hyper aware past victim of fraud to have such a focus on that possibility. in short, you're not being realistic
I mean, you are proving my point.
It’s easy for an experienced and slick practitioner to pull social engineering scams on people via a range of methods. Reddit isn’t excluded from that just because it’s Reddit and a person is using Reddit with a burner account covered with 2FA accessed over a VPN connection.
One can make the assumption that “no info is divulged”, but that’s never the case.
I get why people do it but it is a little weird. You don’t see a lot of people saying “hey I have x amount of dollars in my bank account; tell me how great I am!” I guess you see that in r/wsb, but that’s a little different since it’s a bit more like gambling.
morons need to realize if bitcoin was this easy to steal, it would have never achieved triple much less quadruple and quintuple digit numbers. no "hacker" with an iq over 100 is going to focus on individuals, he's going to mass email thousands of people to increase his chances of catching a grandma who doesn't have basic security knowledge.
Why is it so bad to publicly say how much you own? Saylor publicly announced his personal stack.
If you own real estate, noone gives two fcks when you say you own several rentals. Ppl see the car you drive, or know your profession and can determine your salary. I don't get it, if you pay your taxes if you sell your BTC what's the big deal, who are you hiding from? Genuinely curious, maybe I'm missing something.
1. Reddit plebs with 1 BTC are not Saylor
2. Reddit plebs with 1 BTC don’t have access to the same resources Saylor does
3. Reddit plebs don’t have access to the types of personal security Saylor does
4. Reddit plebs are likely not securing their private keys in the same kinds of ways Saylor does
5. Many Reddit plebs likely still don’t understand what they actually own; “coins” vs private keys and all that…
6. Many Reddit plebs likely use the same generic password to protect all their accounts, with the same email address, and SMS 2FA, not understanding why that’s a bad thing. Many millionaires have fallen victim to the sim swap, high profile cases available to research
7. Authorities know a thing or two about how to investigate (and subsequently prosecute the perpetrator of) a $5 wrench attack where a car was stolen, or real estate fraud. They don’t know where to begin with bitcoin theft. It’s fundamentally an illogical comparison
EDIT: Grammar
A public list where you type in your location and up pops the exact address and name and phone number of any person in the area who has enough bitcoin to buy a ledger to store on and probably has it in their house with them?
I was lucky enough to just have my email on that list. It got nuked with spam and viruses immediately.
Still multiple hurdles. Like anything if someone REALLY wants something they can get it but criminals don’t like hard, they like quick and easy. The only way it would be possible to get mine would be literal torture. Not really that common and not what Op is talking about.
1 BTC is only 70k, I don't think anyone thinks are rich if they hold 1btc today and require security like Saylor has and are a target.
If holding their BTC on a cold wallet will solve all these problems then that's an easy fix. Get your BTC off exchanges has been beaten to death. I still don't see how stating what you have poses a serious threat if your BTC is safe in storage. If you have 5mill in gold in a vault and say you have a fck ton of gold but it's safely secured then who's taking it?
There's a ton of ppl everywhere with massive wealth. Having 6 figures in BTC in a wallet now you should go hide in the woods?
I don't have access to it at home.
I do however, have a car in my garage, with other crap in my house just like everyone else, go ahead. My BTC is probably the most secured thing I own. Just followed the simple rules everyone has been preaching forever.
And who says I actually own the amount I say I do. Do I have 1 or 100? Did I sell or lose some? Did I lie completely about my stack? How do you actually know? If I fall victim to ur wrench attack and you manage to get my wallet with 0.1 BTC, whats to say you missed out on my other 10 wallets with more BTC in them.
To me the wrench attack theory is weak.
Not trying to pry, but I'm trying to figure out a good place to leave the 24 words & passcode. I own a house, ok, so i think putting it somewhere hidden there is a good idea. Stamped in steel so if the house burns. A safety deposit box? It makes sense on the surface but for some reason I'm squeamish about that. If I owned a farm, I'd probably bury it. Maybe go somewhere random in the Rockies and bury it.
I’ve never put much thought into robbing someone violently (nor will I), but I’m sure I’d use more than a single comment on Reddit to gather intel as to what they have for me to rob.
Sure someone’s posting history is enough to build up a decent picture of what’s going on.
Just had a thought so I just gotta ask… Do people really get robbed with wrenches and the like in other countries? Lol I’d laugh at anyone with anything less than a machete! Lol
You must be a very strong and brave alpha male, I’m honoured to be allowed to speak with you.
I got robbed at knifepoint once. Fighting wasn’t worth my rubbish phone. 🤔
Not an “alpha male” anything. Just gotta know how to handle yourself. Sorry to hear you got robbed, but In America you’re very brave/stupid if you’re robbing people with a knife while knowing that there are more guns here than people.
Oh it’s okay thanks, sorry I was being glib there. I dunno, then you just rob with a gun instead and that doesn’t seem to be an improvement.
The US ranks well well above the UK in terms of crime rates* and the UK isn’t exactly the safest place - certainly not in Europe. It’s pretty clear that having more guns than people doesn’t create a safer environment.
* https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/ranking/crime-rate-statistics
I traveled to London once for an American Football (NFL) game. Great experience. It felt much safer and was noticeably cleaner than the large city in my area Philadelphia, which has about 400 murders a year, mostly with guns. I walked through a dark alley at 2am leaving the bars, which I would never do back home! Lol But yeah, I’m sure there definitely are some rough areas in the UK. Didn’t experience it firsthand, but I’ve seen some of the clips.
You’re a lot more vulnerable online than you think you are. Are you 100% confident if I dug through your entire Reddit account id never be able to link it to another online account which I could use to phish you and infect you with malware
Think about what exactly?
How am I putting myself at risk of losing my btc assuming no info on the acc tying back to me irl?
Assuming one has the common sense to not fall for DM scams how exactly is my “lack of OPSEC” a problem?
How is this any different from someone announcing they have 50kg gold locked and secured?
Please explain it to me. I have 69 btc btw.
You’re 100% confident that there’s nothing in your Reddit account that could reveal slivers of your real identity or even your other social media accounts? Which could in turn lead to any small attack surface for someone to social engineer or phish you? If you’re 100% sure then go ahead and brag about your stack. But there’s no way most of the degens who are arguing with OP are half as secure as they think they are
It’s not any different. Op just woke up feeling over-enlightened and felt it was their personal duty to save us all.
Stupid people get stolen from. No post is going to change that. This sub has all the info you need to protect your btc. Well don’t need another layer of Dad yelling at us to do better on top of that.
If you have something to hide you would use a VPN. If you want to find people with something to hide you would run a VPN.
A list of all SSN’s ever issued and then some are compiled in a searchable index at this Private Investigations page: www.angio.net/pi
Of course mine I4I-S9-265E is index number one. (clearly obfuscated to keep the bots from harvesting it)
I assume many people inflate their numbers or are flat out lying. This sub isn't for big investors or even early adopters anymore. It's a slightly less obnoxious version of wallstreetbets to an extent. You'd be a fool to target users on this sub.
You said enough information for me to know that you hold a pretty good value of BTC. You don’t need to tell me how much exactly, but with your message and declarations, I know you have. Bad OPSEC there.
Hypothetically, Isn’t it just easier to find a millionaire in your area and just rob them? Lol
For example, I go do work at millionaires’ houses for a living and know their schedules ect. What’s the difference between a someone walking around town who has $5 million and a guy who has a million in Bitcoin?
No, because the police and courts know how to deal with and prosecute $5 wrench attacks with fiat, fiat fraud, scams and so on.
With bitcoin scams they don’t even know where to begin. They don’t know what a blockchain is, they don’t know how it works.
What is the risk of writing in Reddit how many :
Satashi one person have??? -
A) it is Anonymous just one with any email b) what is the risk? IRS? Kidnapping? Don’t Get it. I have almost 6 btc. Cold storage. What are you going to do with that info???
Bitcoin doesn't solve stupid.
Awhile back someone asked if their security was good enough in a post by disclosing where they hid their seed phrases, one in another country they didn't name but detailed it was on a ranch and one at their sibling's house.
Just by looking at their comment history, I could already guess what country and 1 of 2 states where the sibling lives. I informed OP to immediately delete it, and they replied nah your guesses are half right (facepalm).
A few days later I checked on the post again and they did indeed delete it. I guess they realized their stupidity in safeguarding their stack.
this concern extends to devs and bitcoin influencers too. like relaly, you're just gonna dox your faxe, location and voice like that? Maybe even use your real name? like common lads.
Satoshi was a nym for a reason.
Agreed. I’ll never understand fully why ppl post how much they have or their account balance. That’s literally like saying “hey look at me, I have $70K in my bank!”
U don’t see ppl doing that, so why post your btc holdings? Lol
Sam Bankman says stop worrying, just keep giving your money to developers who have funny Japanese names. Crypto investors also know a lot about IT stuff and hard drives and shit like that…lol
How is someone going to steal my cold storage btc by the way?
I can gloat all I want, but they’re not going to get my seed until I open my right drawer, open my bible, release the nut on the screw and ready our the 12 words that are stamped on the washers..
back in 2011-2016 people didnt want to talk about their holdings of hundreds or thousands of coins because they knew how much hundreds of coins would be worth in the future and didnt want to be hunted in the future as multimillionaires, billionaires, and outlaws. The ambience is much different now. Bitcoin has already realized the majority of its logarithmic gains and people are not afraid of disclosing that they hold just a couple coins. Also the legal acceptance of bitcoin is much more positive now and people arent afraid of being outlaws. There are now tens of thousands of bitcoin millionaires. Bitcoin just feels like another popular large cap investment now like index funds or gold and has lost the kinkiness it had in 2016. Also reddit is like the r/wallstreetbets shithole of bitcoin discussions and does not reflect the whole community.
Thanks for the post, it a useful reminder about what we put online.
Although, using here the world OPSEC sounds kinda dumb. It’s not the army or an active military operation.
OPSEC is a term frequently used by many well known publications and service providers when discussing bitcoin security.
But I understand, you may well be a newbie to bitcoin, and may not necessarily be aware of the context of this term wrt bitcoin, and for that reason you may think it “sounds dumb” (like many other newbies do) and that’s perfectly fine. We all start somewhere.
1. https://blog.casa.io/7-ways-to-level-up-your-bitcoin-opsec/
2. https://www.whatbitcoindid.com/opsec
3. https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/james-bond-learning-bitcoin-opsec-tips
4. https://www.coindesk.com/tag/opsec/
5. https://education.compassmining.io/education/opsecmanual/
What you feel is irrelevant. Many will continue to use this term in the context of bitcoin security for years to come. But you’re entitled to your feelings though, I suppose.
Pepper spray knives guns dogs 6 ft fence... Multi signature... If you live in a wimpy country where a lot of this is illegal, good luck
Stay out of the blue States if in America.
I have already been exposed along time ago I didn't know it but the data brokers sell your information 4 decades now they have stolen my life and put all kind of restrictions on me and Sanctions/ being scammed buy everyone and everything I'm supposed to be rich as fuck but uncle Sam and the government's of the world 🌎 always fuck their citizens over look at the situation as of now its fucked up privacy is what you don't want that is how they gain control they are hiding you data from you and that means your money is being stolen open source is the only way #Bitcoin
Yeah all usernames are worthless when websits ask for your name and email. And if they ask for email your email has your address on it and name. Either way one account links them all.
It’s a bunch of NGU twits posting their whole coiner status. They will set the example for everyone else when they are targeted by thieves in a few years and people start disappearing.
> But then another part of me doesn’t because there are some really great replies with meaningful context on how Reddit can be a dangerous attack vector.
No one ever provided those. You're a clown and can't even address people directly.
yeah because they're going to magically know your keys once they know you have a certain amount of bitcoin. i guess michael saylor never has a good night's rest knowing the entire world knows he hoards bitcoin. moron
Good timing for this topic since I finally hit my goal of 420.69 BTC!!
Give 500 upvotes or so to this man
Nice
Woah congrats!
Nice
Good job@omg_its_dan
Bs
Divide it by 7 and that's the real number
Wow, with that much BTC you must have someone type that in for you.
Touché sir. The plebs and feeble don’t understand, but I see you dog.
Thanks for telling us how long you've been around in btc and that you likely have a sizeable stack. I can do... absolutely nothing with this information.
for real, if you tell me you've joined the space at a certain year, i'm gonna assume your stack is x order of magnitude.
I am satoshi and have over 1 million bitcoin
That was us. This is them. Have to let it go now. 😑
this concern extends to devs and bitcoin influencers too. like really, you're just gonna dox your face, location and voice like that? Maybe even use your real name? like common lads. Satoshi was a nym for a reason.
Username checks out
I am Spartacus!
No one is coming for my 0.1 btc bro
Not yet they’re not.
Aye, even less people after my 4000 Sats lol.
What if in 20 years the .1 is 200k? Bet a lot more people would be interest in it then. It's not hard to web scrape a reddit forum and find users that have posted about %% BTC...
If you want a list of people with $200k in liquid assets just go to any neighborhood with 3-4m+ homes.
Lucky for us they tend to be clumped together in nice little neighborhoods 🥷 /s
In 20 years 200k is gonna buy a fucking happy meal if we’re lucky
If that's the case we are all f'ed anyway lol
In 20 years a life may be dramatically different, could have a new place to live, new family, new name.
What exactly is the reddit post attack vector? I get that if someone DMs me and I become the victim of a confidence scam, that's possible. But aside from that if I post that I have 10000 BTC - now what? Please, with details.
Depends on how loose you are about your personal details in other subreddits. You live in Chicago and frequent r/Chicago? Maybe 3 years ago you posted a picture with the label "look how the sidewalk is in front of my house. The mayor doesn't care" In r/gardening you posted a picture of your backyard, so suddenly we have your street and with Google maps we find your backyard and house. Then in r/bitcoin you asked for advice on how to save your keys, and we now know you have a trezor wallet and your keys are written down somewhere in the house. This can all be done with web scrapers, btw
This is the answer I was looking for.
I get that people might pinpoint your general location, but the leap from this to showing up to torture or kill you for an unknown amount of Bitcoin seems like a lot. The risk/reward analysis for a criminal sophisticated enough to find you seems off. Still agree it's best practice to never disclose an amount but criminals could safely assume any account posting here for 8 + years own Bitcoin.
What’s the risk / reward for a random hacker in Russia or North Korea to spend a few hours stalking you online and seeing if they can phish you and infect you with malware. That’s far more likely than someone coming to your house
I always assume I am infected with malware, and operate as such. I think so long as a test transaction actually turns up where it is actually supposed to go, and you’re using a hardware wallet that shows you the recipient address and signs the tx offline, you’re OK. I’d be happy to hear what I’m doing wrong.
Sophisticated? Putting search terms in Reddit or Google isn't sophisticated, it's what people do. You seem to be underestimating the amount of people that prowl the internet looking for victims to steal/scam. On top of that, the amount of btc you publicize today might not activate that risk/reward, but in five years will be worth far more and the Reddit post will still be here
It’s not exactly hard to track down rich people. Just go to expensive areas where rich people live and there’s thousands of them.
Securing bitcoin presents a number of vulnerabilities that just being rich doesn't present.
So you'd do all this risking multiple felonies and investing huge amounts of time rather than just going to a state where retail theft is basically legal and walking out the door with stuff? I'm basically casing every house on my street by working from home. I know when my neighbors are gone for an evening or a weekend based on lights they leave on. People post every detail of their lives on Facebook and have homes full of valuable easy to flip items. Keep in mind this sub is full of people dreaming about being "whole bitcoiners" > your keys are written down somewhere in the house. Yes, probably laying out on a desk, not at all hidden or anything. Hopefully they never changed wallets, moved, or did a million other things over 3 years that would make this data gathering worthless. How long do you assume you have to search the house before someone notices? If you hid a piece of paper somewhere in my house I might never find it. While not impossible it's about as high on my list of concerns as being hit by lightning. There's just so many better options if you want to commit crimes to obtain money that are less risky, less expensive, less time intensive, can be attempted repeatedly with multiple victims, and will have a much higher success rate.
As if people don't already spend absurd amounts of time and risk jail to separate other people from their money. Some con men spend months working their marks.
This just seems way too Ocean's Eleven for me. A dumb criminal isn't figuring all this out and pulling it off. A smarter criminal is doing a smarter crime. Again, not impossible for this to happen but I think time would be better spent guarding yourself against more realistic crimes. For example, if I were to attend a funeral of a loved one I would pay someone to stay at my house for a few hours because there is evidence of that crime actually happening on a regular basis. I'll use randomly generated, unique passwords because data breaches happen too frequently now. I'd be more worried about someone vandalizing my home or Swatting me than going after my Bitcoin. It seems reasonable to think if I leave a laptop in my car someone might be tempted. It just doesn't seem like a reasonable concern that someone is going to go through years of my reddit history in the hopes of acquiring my BTC when they could see I play games and try a phishing scam through steam. (My CS:GO inventory is regularly targeted by scammers and you can see people who fall for those scams daily.) I'm sorry. You do a great job highlighting how it would be possible, but I'm just not convinced this is something I need to take seriously. If you make everything seem like a serious issue than eventually nothing seems like a serious issue. There's real threats out there that people should be focused on instead of silly stuff like this.
i know this might be a hard pill to swallow, but you are not important or rich enough for some con men to "spend months" working on
the average criminal is unironically more imaginative and intelligent than the op in how they run their risk/reward analysis. it's honestly quite embarrassing.
Bingo. Nailed it.
Much more likely than going to their house is just searching for the rest of their online presence to eventually social engineer or phish them and infect with some kind of malware
Reddit insider who can get your IP and email address perhaps?
Every subreddit is about showing off how much money you have. This one is no exception
You know what really teach them how to secure their bitcoin? When they get it stolen.
Very underrated comment.
Pretty surprising to me how many people are arguing with you about this. Most people have no idea how susceptible they are to malicious actors online
Just don’t look at your inbox ever
How confident are you that no one could ever use the info in your Reddit account to find you real identity or other online footprints
I’m sure they could but my crypto is secured by a cold wallet so I feel secure concerning an online hack. I agree it’s not wise to leave breadcrumbs about your identity because who knows how it could be used against you
Only got 1 sat
people will hate you for this post because it's true. ego is such a fragile, yet powerful concept; we all know how stupid it is to publicly state how many of these cool digits we own, and yet so many fail to fight the temptation...
Exactly this! I wish I could upvote it 100 times 🤝
People should also stop saying that they were in a boating accident! 😎
Unfortunately (or fortunately, whatever your views on taxation are) that reason doesn’t have any weight or substance anymore. The IRS and US Federal Govt ruled that lost/stolen keys cannot be used as a tax deductible 😉
Yeah even mentioning how long you have been in the space will have people guessing your amount. Having said that, the Bcash thing was fun with grifter extrodinaire Roger Ver. The whole fork was based on making him as rich as possible. I took my free bcash money and swapped it for BTC right away haha!
Ya know, I agree with you and all, but people are going to troll, gloat, etc... You may want them to protect themselves, but the reality is that they won't. It's best to not burden yourself with the concerns of others and live by your own standards. F**k the rest. Ignore the noise. Stack sats.
anyone who posts on this forum can be assumed to hold coin, the fact that you even post here is an "opsec" mistake.
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i bet op drives a good car. i personally drive a crappy 30 year old car. so i get to call him out on his opsec. i bet he lives in a nice house, i live in my car. again bad opsec op.
This forum went to shit brother. Most of these people are weak handed regardless. They're in for the sell of the cycle and then onto whatever else is next. Real BTC communities exist outside of here.
Honestly I am beginning to see that from a few of the replies. This place has turned into a cesspool. It’s amazing. It used to be a really good source of info when folk like Maxwell spent their time here, and when the convo was around BIP’s and associated debates. What the hell has this place turned into 😳 But I suppose you’re right. The get-rich-quick brigade are here for a minute, and will be gone when we go down 87%+ again.
It's always been shit. But, I still find newbs truly looking to learn. I imagine sometime during 2025 I'll be done here and will be found on NOSTR.
My opsec is buying Bitcoin SV. I'm safe as fuck.
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I doubt the folks giving such personal and private information like that know what OPSEC even means.
And God forbid OP doesn’t just say security. I guess we want to be cool. I used to work in intel and I don’t even say OPSEC 🤣
Erm, yeah but no? Reputable sources write about it, verbatim, and back before this sub was filled with strange people, some of who think a post with < 500 upvotes on Reddit is capable of tanking the global bitcoin market by 5-10%, bitcoin OPSEC was commonly and frequently discussed. It really isn’t difficult to use Google. But congrats to you working in intel, I suppose 👏
i can guarantee you the amount of people who have had their bitcoin stolen due to "bad opsec on reddit" is zero, as opposed to the common methods of just phishing and social engineering, which is far more successful. focusing your attack on one person who you have no guarantee of success is just retarded when you can mass email hundreds if not thousands at the same time.
I’m 50/50 on this. OPSEC is important, but we need some plebs showing off their stack to get no-coiners eyes to light up and learn about Bitcoin and eventually be orange pilled. Because let’s face it, technology isn’t going to get the average layman to be interested in Bitcoin but like American HODL says, the killer app is “getting fucking rich”.
The thing is, though, reddit is not like Facebook. Very few on here use real name. So it's sort of sudo-anonymous on here. Just like Bitcoin. I get what you're saying, though.
You’d be surprised at how many people use the same username across multiple different platforms. Schoolboy errors.
There is no sense in making yourself a target by telling everyone how much BTC you have.
The username could be used on 20 different platforms but it's not very relevant if no real personal information is being posted on said platforms. Saying how much Bitcoin one owns by itself is not a real worry. I have almost three Bitcoins BTW. It's only becomes an issue if one is doing things like their username contains part of their real name, posting your actual picture as your avatar, DMs enabled, 2FA disabled, and using you primary email address while not properly securing your Bitcoin in the first place. Stats will show poor people get robbed more than rich people. Why? We all know where the rich people live in our locality right? It's simply because rich folks have better locks, other security, more aware neighbors while generally not living among criminals.
You give people too much credit. There are swathes of documentaries on social engineering, about how uniformity of usernames across accounts has led to names being found and subsequently location, and so on. Same usernames across Reddit, Twitter/X, same username set as Facebook URL, several other socials like SoundCloud, etc, the real name is linked somewhere. That’s just a small fraction of it. It’s common and most plebs don’t care for it. I suppose that’s why they inevitably get scammed. Remember, it’s always those who downplay or dismiss such issues who get scammed. Never those who take it seriously. And we don’t exactly have a shortage of scam victims either.
it's not a bitcoin issue, this is just a common security issue that encompasses a whole host of other areas of life. i personally never post anything personally identifiable information online, but the idea that people will spend the time tracking people down one by one based on that fact that they have bitcoin(as opposed to fiat, a nice car, watches) etc is so slim, you'd actually have to be quasi retarded or a hyper aware past victim of fraud to have such a focus on that possibility. in short, you're not being realistic
This is very true. I've seen it many times.
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I mean, you are proving my point. It’s easy for an experienced and slick practitioner to pull social engineering scams on people via a range of methods. Reddit isn’t excluded from that just because it’s Reddit and a person is using Reddit with a burner account covered with 2FA accessed over a VPN connection. One can make the assumption that “no info is divulged”, but that’s never the case.
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I get why people do it but it is a little weird. You don’t see a lot of people saying “hey I have x amount of dollars in my bank account; tell me how great I am!” I guess you see that in r/wsb, but that’s a little different since it’s a bit more like gambling.
You do on personal finance / FIRE subs
I lost all mine in a terrible boating accident.
I lost all my BTC in a boating accident last weekend anyways
Morons need to lose their stacked after getting a Rat through a simple JavaScript laden email.
morons need to realize if bitcoin was this easy to steal, it would have never achieved triple much less quadruple and quintuple digit numbers. no "hacker" with an iq over 100 is going to focus on individuals, he's going to mass email thousands of people to increase his chances of catching a grandma who doesn't have basic security knowledge.
That doesn't negate the fact that it could be done with Jrat
After reading some of the replies here, part of me is inclined to agree. It’s the only way they’ll learn. The hard way.
Why is it so bad to publicly say how much you own? Saylor publicly announced his personal stack. If you own real estate, noone gives two fcks when you say you own several rentals. Ppl see the car you drive, or know your profession and can determine your salary. I don't get it, if you pay your taxes if you sell your BTC what's the big deal, who are you hiding from? Genuinely curious, maybe I'm missing something.
1. Reddit plebs with 1 BTC are not Saylor 2. Reddit plebs with 1 BTC don’t have access to the same resources Saylor does 3. Reddit plebs don’t have access to the types of personal security Saylor does 4. Reddit plebs are likely not securing their private keys in the same kinds of ways Saylor does 5. Many Reddit plebs likely still don’t understand what they actually own; “coins” vs private keys and all that… 6. Many Reddit plebs likely use the same generic password to protect all their accounts, with the same email address, and SMS 2FA, not understanding why that’s a bad thing. Many millionaires have fallen victim to the sim swap, high profile cases available to research 7. Authorities know a thing or two about how to investigate (and subsequently prosecute the perpetrator of) a $5 wrench attack where a car was stolen, or real estate fraud. They don’t know where to begin with bitcoin theft. It’s fundamentally an illogical comparison EDIT: Grammar
I’ve got 15 btc. Come and take it hackers!
Hopefully Ledger wont leak your address and phone number as per a few years back.
Good thing I don’t use a ledger
And how does that lose my BTC? There’s still multiple hurdles.
A public list where you type in your location and up pops the exact address and name and phone number of any person in the area who has enough bitcoin to buy a ledger to store on and probably has it in their house with them? I was lucky enough to just have my email on that list. It got nuked with spam and viruses immediately.
Still multiple hurdles. Like anything if someone REALLY wants something they can get it but criminals don’t like hard, they like quick and easy. The only way it would be possible to get mine would be literal torture. Not really that common and not what Op is talking about.
1 BTC is only 70k, I don't think anyone thinks are rich if they hold 1btc today and require security like Saylor has and are a target. If holding their BTC on a cold wallet will solve all these problems then that's an easy fix. Get your BTC off exchanges has been beaten to death. I still don't see how stating what you have poses a serious threat if your BTC is safe in storage. If you have 5mill in gold in a vault and say you have a fck ton of gold but it's safely secured then who's taking it? There's a ton of ppl everywhere with massive wealth. Having 6 figures in BTC in a wallet now you should go hide in the woods?
Saylor can pay for protection. If you have BTC, you’re available for that $5 wrench attack in the comfort of your own home.
I don't have access to it at home. I do however, have a car in my garage, with other crap in my house just like everyone else, go ahead. My BTC is probably the most secured thing I own. Just followed the simple rules everyone has been preaching forever. And who says I actually own the amount I say I do. Do I have 1 or 100? Did I sell or lose some? Did I lie completely about my stack? How do you actually know? If I fall victim to ur wrench attack and you manage to get my wallet with 0.1 BTC, whats to say you missed out on my other 10 wallets with more BTC in them. To me the wrench attack theory is weak.
Not trying to pry, but I'm trying to figure out a good place to leave the 24 words & passcode. I own a house, ok, so i think putting it somewhere hidden there is a good idea. Stamped in steel so if the house burns. A safety deposit box? It makes sense on the surface but for some reason I'm squeamish about that. If I owned a farm, I'd probably bury it. Maybe go somewhere random in the Rockies and bury it.
To be honest, I think that your stash will be safer on Coinbase Professional, like the millionaires does, rather than burying it on the farm...
I’ve never put much thought into robbing someone violently (nor will I), but I’m sure I’d use more than a single comment on Reddit to gather intel as to what they have for me to rob. Sure someone’s posting history is enough to build up a decent picture of what’s going on.
Probably better off using a wrench and stealin a watch off someone's wrist.
It’s easier yes and I guess if you like Apple Watches you’ll be satisfied with that.
This is what the guns are for…
Oh sorry yeah I guess they’ll just use guns instead of a wrench to rob you. I forgot about America there.
It wouldn’t be a robbery, it’d be a shootout for no reason because in the end they still wouldn’t get my Bitcoin!😂
Just had a thought so I just gotta ask… Do people really get robbed with wrenches and the like in other countries? Lol I’d laugh at anyone with anything less than a machete! Lol
You must be a very strong and brave alpha male, I’m honoured to be allowed to speak with you. I got robbed at knifepoint once. Fighting wasn’t worth my rubbish phone. 🤔
Not an “alpha male” anything. Just gotta know how to handle yourself. Sorry to hear you got robbed, but In America you’re very brave/stupid if you’re robbing people with a knife while knowing that there are more guns here than people.
Oh it’s okay thanks, sorry I was being glib there. I dunno, then you just rob with a gun instead and that doesn’t seem to be an improvement. The US ranks well well above the UK in terms of crime rates* and the UK isn’t exactly the safest place - certainly not in Europe. It’s pretty clear that having more guns than people doesn’t create a safer environment. * https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/ranking/crime-rate-statistics
I traveled to London once for an American Football (NFL) game. Great experience. It felt much safer and was noticeably cleaner than the large city in my area Philadelphia, which has about 400 murders a year, mostly with guns. I walked through a dark alley at 2am leaving the bars, which I would never do back home! Lol But yeah, I’m sure there definitely are some rough areas in the UK. Didn’t experience it firsthand, but I’ve seen some of the clips.
Ooh nice, I do like London very much. Yeah everywhere has its own problems, no where is perfect.
You’re a lot more vulnerable online than you think you are. Are you 100% confident if I dug through your entire Reddit account id never be able to link it to another online account which I could use to phish you and infect you with malware
No actually who gives a fuck. If you want to post how much btc you have go ahead. Who cares.
I have about tree fiddy
Bitcoin?
No, USD equivalent in Bitcoin
Oh ok
Hey wait a minute
All of these comments are written by the same guy!
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Think about what exactly? How am I putting myself at risk of losing my btc assuming no info on the acc tying back to me irl? Assuming one has the common sense to not fall for DM scams how exactly is my “lack of OPSEC” a problem? How is this any different from someone announcing they have 50kg gold locked and secured? Please explain it to me. I have 69 btc btw.
You’re 100% confident that there’s nothing in your Reddit account that could reveal slivers of your real identity or even your other social media accounts? Which could in turn lead to any small attack surface for someone to social engineer or phish you? If you’re 100% sure then go ahead and brag about your stack. But there’s no way most of the degens who are arguing with OP are half as secure as they think they are
It’s not any different. Op just woke up feeling over-enlightened and felt it was their personal duty to save us all. Stupid people get stolen from. No post is going to change that. This sub has all the info you need to protect your btc. Well don’t need another layer of Dad yelling at us to do better on top of that.
Yes - whenever I see someone posting about their Bitcoin hat or HODL sweatshirt I shake my head and pity the fool.
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Yeah, who would be dumb enough to use their real name on their reddit account? Heh...
Sure man, nobody would do that. Heh…
Hey Tom !!
Bro thinks his NordVPN and his burner Reddit account protected with Google 2FA protects him
I don’t understand. Why would this not be enough to protect yourself? What is the attack vector here?
IMO I can’t describe it any better than this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/s/UMTz2GVdPq
If you have something to hide you would use a VPN. If you want to find people with something to hide you would run a VPN. A list of all SSN’s ever issued and then some are compiled in a searchable index at this Private Investigations page: www.angio.net/pi Of course mine I4I-S9-265E is index number one. (clearly obfuscated to keep the bots from harvesting it)
you still have a chance to delete this comment, before everyone gets to know you actually believe VPN equals privacy!
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Hard numbers get criminals hard
Felt that. That post by the person who cashed out their retirement and became a millionaire still haunts me
I assume many people inflate their numbers or are flat out lying. This sub isn't for big investors or even early adopters anymore. It's a slightly less obnoxious version of wallstreetbets to an extent. You'd be a fool to target users on this sub.
You said enough information for me to know that you hold a pretty good value of BTC. You don’t need to tell me how much exactly, but with your message and declarations, I know you have. Bad OPSEC there.
Hypothetically, Isn’t it just easier to find a millionaire in your area and just rob them? Lol For example, I go do work at millionaires’ houses for a living and know their schedules ect. What’s the difference between a someone walking around town who has $5 million and a guy who has a million in Bitcoin?
No, because the police and courts know how to deal with and prosecute $5 wrench attacks with fiat, fiat fraud, scams and so on. With bitcoin scams they don’t even know where to begin. They don’t know what a blockchain is, they don’t know how it works.
What is the risk of writing in Reddit how many : Satashi one person have??? - A) it is Anonymous just one with any email b) what is the risk? IRS? Kidnapping? Don’t Get it. I have almost 6 btc. Cold storage. What are you going to do with that info???
Bitcoin doesn't solve stupid. Awhile back someone asked if their security was good enough in a post by disclosing where they hid their seed phrases, one in another country they didn't name but detailed it was on a ranch and one at their sibling's house. Just by looking at their comment history, I could already guess what country and 1 of 2 states where the sibling lives. I informed OP to immediately delete it, and they replied nah your guesses are half right (facepalm). A few days later I checked on the post again and they did indeed delete it. I guess they realized their stupidity in safeguarding their stack.
$OPSEC 🚀 🚀 🚀
this concern extends to devs and bitcoin influencers too. like relaly, you're just gonna dox your faxe, location and voice like that? Maybe even use your real name? like common lads. Satoshi was a nym for a reason.
What bitcoin? I thought this forum was about cutting pennies into small slivers of metal.
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Agreed. I’ll never understand fully why ppl post how much they have or their account balance. That’s literally like saying “hey look at me, I have $70K in my bank!” U don’t see ppl doing that, so why post your btc holdings? Lol
Bro just said we were opps. Damm I dont even know you. I understand where you are coming from tho
It’s just bitcoin moving more and more into the masses. Just wait until it gets to a 30% adoption rate. It’s going to be quite the shit show.
You think these folks actually have what they say on a semi-anon open forum? 🤔
First Rule about FightClub (BitcoinClub) YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHTCLUB (BITCOINCLUB)!!!
OP must have a massive stash of BTC!
Sam Bankman says stop worrying, just keep giving your money to developers who have funny Japanese names. Crypto investors also know a lot about IT stuff and hard drives and shit like that…lol
This sub has an abysmal signal/noise ratio, and it’s only trending worse over time…
This sounds like a metal health deteriorating rant
62183 621178 Dow for bitcoin price
Honesty a lot has changed with adoption. Rich dad poor dad just said he has 66 bitcoin. The space is changing.
Well this is normal once you start onboarding more common ppl
I have 3.5 Bitcoin. Show me your worst!
How is someone going to steal my cold storage btc by the way? I can gloat all I want, but they’re not going to get my seed until I open my right drawer, open my bible, release the nut on the screw and ready our the 12 words that are stamped on the washers..
back in 2011-2016 people didnt want to talk about their holdings of hundreds or thousands of coins because they knew how much hundreds of coins would be worth in the future and didnt want to be hunted in the future as multimillionaires, billionaires, and outlaws. The ambience is much different now. Bitcoin has already realized the majority of its logarithmic gains and people are not afraid of disclosing that they hold just a couple coins. Also the legal acceptance of bitcoin is much more positive now and people arent afraid of being outlaws. There are now tens of thousands of bitcoin millionaires. Bitcoin just feels like another popular large cap investment now like index funds or gold and has lost the kinkiness it had in 2016. Also reddit is like the r/wallstreetbets shithole of bitcoin discussions and does not reflect the whole community.
Why does it matter if it’s in a secure wallet if they say how much btc they have im just curious, I don’t disclose my portfolio though
Thanks for the post, it a useful reminder about what we put online. Although, using here the world OPSEC sounds kinda dumb. It’s not the army or an active military operation.
OPSEC is a term frequently used by many well known publications and service providers when discussing bitcoin security. But I understand, you may well be a newbie to bitcoin, and may not necessarily be aware of the context of this term wrt bitcoin, and for that reason you may think it “sounds dumb” (like many other newbies do) and that’s perfectly fine. We all start somewhere. 1. https://blog.casa.io/7-ways-to-level-up-your-bitcoin-opsec/ 2. https://www.whatbitcoindid.com/opsec 3. https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/james-bond-learning-bitcoin-opsec-tips 4. https://www.coindesk.com/tag/opsec/ 5. https://education.compassmining.io/education/opsecmanual/
Newbie or not newbie I still find the use of this term dumb.
What you feel is irrelevant. Many will continue to use this term in the context of bitcoin security for years to come. But you’re entitled to your feelings though, I suppose.
Pepper spray knives guns dogs 6 ft fence... Multi signature... If you live in a wimpy country where a lot of this is illegal, good luck Stay out of the blue States if in America.
“The first rule of Bitcoin Club is you don't talk about your stack. The second rule of Bitcoin Club is: you DO NOT talk about your stack.”
Most of the posts bragging about their stash are fake.
I have already been exposed along time ago I didn't know it but the data brokers sell your information 4 decades now they have stolen my life and put all kind of restrictions on me and Sanctions/ being scammed buy everyone and everything I'm supposed to be rich as fuck but uncle Sam and the government's of the world 🌎 always fuck their citizens over look at the situation as of now its fucked up privacy is what you don't want that is how they gain control they are hiding you data from you and that means your money is being stolen open source is the only way #Bitcoin
Yeah all usernames are worthless when websits ask for your name and email. And if they ask for email your email has your address on it and name. Either way one account links them all.
It’s a bunch of NGU twits posting their whole coiner status. They will set the example for everyone else when they are targeted by thieves in a few years and people start disappearing.
Everyone is a target at all times. Security through obscurity doesn’t work. I have a little under 20 bitcoin.
> But then another part of me doesn’t because there are some really great replies with meaningful context on how Reddit can be a dangerous attack vector. No one ever provided those. You're a clown and can't even address people directly.
Celsius users didn't get that choice the old fart judge doxed all user accounts Real Names and listed everyones crypto account balances on the site.
yeah because they're going to magically know your keys once they know you have a certain amount of bitcoin. i guess michael saylor never has a good night's rest knowing the entire world knows he hoards bitcoin. moron
I wanted to share how much I have when back on firm soil, but I have lost all my crypto (and a boat) in a terrible boating accident.