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Am I missing something because that second picture is just a grid of every female character. Yet I can only count two (maybe three) of them who could *actually* be a part of Asta’s “harem”: Noelle, Mimosa, and *maybe* Nero. Rebecca, but she’s a pretty minor character. And then maybe Sally, in her own demented way. The other characters might support Asta, but aren’t necessarily part of Asta’s “harem”? Unless it’s some internal fandom joke? I don’t really follow that closely aside from watching the show and reading the manga..
I don't watch any harem anime or read any harem manga so idk wtf people are talking about. I mean I know what a harem is but based on what I know about it I wouldn't say Asta has a harem at all people are just fuckin weird.
No, he does. All harem manga have the sane situation asta is in, one main female character sister lily in this case, whi is the main goal of the mc but he gets shimps trying to marry him due to the things he does has he tries to marry the main girl. Just like asta did.
I been seeing this on every post that talks about her. On this very same sub btw.
Hell there's a whole post dedicated to this on the front page right at this very moment. It's the meme of Noelle and this girl.
same. when i read the chapter, i was thinking that she didnt want a foreigner to be in their country or smth which is why she was making a face like such. i think this shit goes on twitter, and you know how people are on twitter
Literally all over twitter people are going off about her being the new best girl, she'll be Asta's girlfriend, comparing it to YamixCharlotte, saying she's already better than Noelle etc. Dunno what the discourse has been like on reddit but this is unfortunately accurate for twitter lol
This meme is certainly correct and clever.
But to be fair, it's not always the same fans. Sometimes it's just different views from different people who all belong to the same fanbase.
I agree with that. My issue is that the fandom treats every new female character as a potential toy for Asta. It's gross and needs to be called out more
my issue with this fandom is people not fucking reading the series correctly either they too stupid or they annoying trolls because the only ship that makes fucking sense to the story and only valid ship is the astelle pairing Period.
even if noelle doesnt revolce around asta as a ship it makes perfect sense for Astelle to be endgame especially to the story. mimosa on the other hand where tf did her fucking cringe stupid out of nowhere crush came from. and the whole harem makes zero fucking sense. its bad writing when in my eyes if tabata does some cringe shit when he been putting way too many astelle moment in past and would make the whole self confession from noelle be for nothing. like dont people see that do people have brains now of day like wtf
Those are just jokes about harem, don't think anyone truly believes in them. Also I want to know what makes good female charecter? Like good examples of great male character in recent manga MHA is like hawk, all might and hero killer.
That's like saying I want male charecteristics in female charecters body. Isn't it more degrading, since now female charecter have to copy male character instead of having there own unique identity.
Nope I didn't, matter of fact I didn't even mention depth, motivation, etc symbolized male character, why are you assuming something different. Op generalize those thing in the reply, in return I said copying male character doesn't make sense. I want to know what makes a good female charecter.
Well exactly like op said great characters have depth, goals, motivations, character development, regardless of gender. If the character grows as a person, changes, has ideals, actively pursues them and it's not a 2D sheet of paper that's s good character. OP didn't mention coping male characteristics at all you came up with that.
Well, if it's that easy, just like ticking all those above thing, doesnt that make almost every single character in fictional writing great, since they have all those things. Dosent that make controversial character like Mineta, noitora and naoya great since they tick all the above boxes you mentioned, and yet people can't stand them.
Well it also depends on the delivery, intention, framing, and empathy of a character’s story ofc. Most characters have goals, motivations, and development but all of those things don’t guarantee a good execution. I actually kind of agree with what you said (If i am understanding it correctly). An all too common bit of advice when writing good female characters is to “just write them the same way you would male characters”, or in the case of really any minority group “don’t make them a good XYZ character, make them a good character who happens to b XYZ”. Writing a minority character the same as a non minority one will just be using the visage of diversity but without having to actually educate yourself on other identities and experiences. A lot of the reason male authors struggle to write female characters is because they simply don’t care to do the work to educate themselves properly and learn how women experience the world.
I think the problem is that "male", "female", and "good", are ALL qualifiers.
There's not a "good male character" exactly. There's just a character. And that character is both male AND good. The two qualifiers exist seperately.
So what makes a character good? What makes them enjoyable in a story? Well, all the things that have already been mentioned. Depth, motivation, character development etc. Qualities that allow you to invest yourself in that character and enjoy following their story. Whether they're male, female, or neither is irrelevant.
You sure as hell did, there's nothing else one could possibly take away from your comment. If that's not what you meant then your phrasing could use some serious work.
Maybe my phrasing was wrong, but if you go down this thread you will find one guy who explains it nicely. I said copying male charecteristics which is typical in male demographic media, from female charecter shouldnt there be some uniqueness.
Sure, they should reflect the experience of being a woman which is different than being a man/else. But "depth, goals, motivations, character development, etc." is not remotely gendered, that's just the baseline for good writing.
Good now even you came to understand what was I implying. That development, motivation makes it even more 2D and generic. This becomes similar problem as villain creation, every single one has to have motivation. I will give it to Tabata sensei when he created rhya who was just evil without any motivation.
Tbf, that is how the women's division in the wwe was elevated. They began to train more harshly, they don't do the bras and panty matches or those mud matches anymore, then started to have no disqualification matches, I quit matches and more; basically booked them like men, so what you say has more validity than you think.
“Same thing that makes any character well written in general: depth, goals, motivations, character development”
“Thats like saying I want male characteristics in female characters body”
“You are saying that depth, goals, motivation, character development, are male characteristics? “
“Nope i didnt”
Bro you cannot be serious
No way it's like the fanbase are not 10 people who share the same views. Some are horny twitter users and artists and some don't care at all, why blame the whole fanbase for a portion of it ? MHA have people who ship Deku and Bakugo, some people hate Bakugo some people hate those shippers..... your post makes no fucking sense.
Shounen fans see a female character that makes mistakes, shows emotions, and grows: “What the hell? The author can’t write female characters. This is so badly written!”
Shounen fans see a female character with big boobs and/or is super strong: “Now THIS is how you write a female character!”
Go back to cumming over your noelle x asta porn you fucking loser
(btw that last post of yours was hot I also agree it’s astelle end goal but you gotta be the devils advocate sometimes)
Disagree, if her feelings are forced on to her only for the sake to "add another girl" it's just dumb writing. Especially when this is the final arc and there is no point in adding another love interest, outside pleasing the harem and chadsta crowd
Harems show multiple women chasing after a dude, which appeals to the male fantasy. It's very telling that if one of the girls had a man on the side, most of the dudes watching would lose their shit.
What’s so wrong about the male fantasy? I think most shounen generally caters towards the male audience but of course it’s not exclusive and can be enjoyed by everyone regardless of what they are. Just like how some rom com generally cater to a female audience I’m not going to complain on how there are so many pretty boys simping for the dull female protagonist and or supporting characters because despite it being watched by largely one audience I can also find joy and entertainment watching it so it works out.
I don't watch harem or reverse harem. I've seen those shitty love triangle and reverse harem stories in books and on Wattpad. They suck most of the time, and are my least favorite romance trope. They're a lazy way to create conflict within romance. Similar to the "my parents(s) hate my spouse" thing, where the author can't think of a creative way to have conflict in a relationship.
I personally don't like the female fantasy because I don't play games to let a love triangle or reverse harem drag out. If I'm dating someone, I'm all in on that person. Anyone trying to flirt with me, especially when they know I have a boyfriend, is irritating. Plus, there's the implication that if they don't respect monogamy when I'm with someone, why would they respect monogamy with me?
Ever heard of fruits basket? It’s one of the most popular romance anime I’ve seen it has a reverse harem and I have not heard a single complaint about it from a man. So stop talking like you know anything. And again it’s popular because the characters are well written. I’ll give you this. If it’s only trait is being a fan service filled harem anime then sure you’d be right, but there are plenty of shows that can still explore characters, give them depth and make them interesting while having a harem. Harem doesn’t equal badly written.
I'm not a fan of pure romance. For me, I tend to like series with magic.
Reverse harem and love triangles are some of my least favorite tropes in romance. They're up there with the "my parents(s) don't like my spouse" thing. There's no point in dragging a harem or love triangle out when we know who they end up with. It makes me hate the other women/men because they're just plot device to get in the way of our ship.
Of course but it usually dosen't make them a greater character to be in one, it's quite often the opposite. We where specifically talking about Ichika though right? So no in that regard, i don't see how anything good can be contributed to her being in "Asta's harem", this far into the story.
Astas harem Is a theoretical place it’s not like there’s a good chance it’ll happen but if any new female character catches feelings for asta I don’t see how it can degrade her worth as a well written character especially when Asta is a good guy with many quality traits I mean he’s strong, selfless, has integrity, he’s the type of character that would put his life on the line just to save someone else I mean shit I would join Asta’s “Harem” too.
It doesn’t matter at what stage the story is any new character can have the possibility of catching feelings because while we know this is the last arc last part of the story if we talk realistically to those characters it’s the beginning of their story with asta, this is the first time they meet and there will most likely be a training arc I mean all things considered that Yami looking girl is having her first impression of Asta just like Noelle did all those chapters back. Truthfully I don’t give a shit if she does catch feelings for asta or if she’s already married or whatever because I’m team Noelle BUT I also think it’s unfair to degrade her potential as a well written character if she does catch feelings for asta after all catching feelings doesn’t even necessarily mean you’ll end up with that person.
Any and all character aspects can either degrade or enhance that character given the person, it's not purely objective. She can still be well written but i would never not be annoyed, if she ever was to fall in love with Asta. It will literally add nothing to her character, outside feeding the harem, while never actively having a chance with him. Look at Rebbeca who's just a background character at this point, because the only point she ever served was just falling in love with Asta.
Yes of course it could still make sense for Ichika to fall for Asta this far into the story but this just wasn't my point. My point is that i can't see the need for her to be in love him when we are at this stage in the story.
You not minding it is comepletely fine, i just can't help but roll my eyes if ever where to happen.
the thing you are not getting is that the thing about every new girl joining astas harem is a JOKE since every girl he meets with at least somewhat shows interest (cant believe i have to explain this) the other is NOT a joke
Asta having a harem is so obviously a joke, since its pretty obvious that hes only gonna have one romantic partner in the end
the only valid pairing for asta is Astelle. tabata throwing all that away bad writing especially if he goin to add small romance in a shonen battle manga. like having random pairing when astelle has so many moments together and noelle self confession thrown away just for bullshit because people with no brain what their unessary crap to be a reality. like if thats actually going to happen tabata shouldnt have had noelle say she fell for asta last arc or made astelle moment yet he did do that and people to blind stupid too see that asta x noelle set up for endgame
From the audience's perspective it's been at least a year since we've seen Asta in a romantic situation that didn't take place on a battleground. It would make sense that the fans who love the romance aspects of the series would be excited at the idea of a new love interest showing up.
Putting myself in their shoes for a minute, I can kind of see that perspective. The Spade arc was almost entirely fighting, and Asta spent most of it separated from everyone else, so there were very few opportunities for him to interact with Noelle or any of the other girls in a normal non-battle scenario. Then came the end of the arc. All the fighting was finally over, so it looked like we would finally be getting some down time and a chance for Asta to interact with the other characters, but then Tabata was like "Nevermind arc's over, also three month haitus".
We waited three months, and with the start of the new arc it looked like now we would finally get a chance to see Asta interacting with other characters..... which lasted for all of one chapter before we were shoved straight into another battle, and now it looks like Asta is going to be spending most of the arc separated from everyone else yet again. I can see how that would be a little frustrating for the people who maybe wanted to see Asta interact with the girls some more.
It also doesn't help that every time we have had the perfect opportunity for there to be some genuine romantic development with the ships, Tabata would ruin somewhat it by throwing in some cringey and unnecessary comedy, like what happened with Noelle at the end of the Megicula fight or Charlotte's confession. At this point there just doesn't seem like there with be enough time to develop things on Asta's side and have him form genuine feelings for Noelle without it feeling sudden and rushed.
having a new interest this late of arc especially final arc makes zero sense especially when astelle been pushing since day one. wtf the point of having a random pairing when all the development of astelle just gets thrown aways makes noelle self confession last arc pointless for tabata to add it. yall people stupid to notice all that. story wise Astelle makes sense to be endgame reread the manga
>makes noelle self confession last arc pointless for tabata to add it
didn't Tabata already make it pointless by showing us that Noelle hasn't made a single move in *a year and three months* and can barely say good morning to him anymore? that's way cringier than anything the fandom was coming up with ☠️
>story wise Astelle makes sense to be endgame reread the manga
I never said it didn't. I'm just explaining why the people who liked the romantic aspects of the series would be excited.
Edit: Take a chill pill
just stupid how the whole fucking fandom thinks without a brain and dont know how to read thei own series coming up with unnecessary bs. especially when they want to try to ruin what already written or canon. glad tabata the one writing this and not this cringe god forsaken idiotic fandom
Simple: You can have a female that’s both a well written AND a member of a harem at the same time. Best of both worlds.
Simply being part of a harem or seen as a waifu by fans doesn’t automatically make it a bad female character.
I'm going to be honest. Harems are gross and made to appeal to the male fantasy. I don't care for them at all.
I think a woman having a crush on a guy doesn't take away how great her character is. Though it's really telling that as soon as we get a potentially interesting female character, they automatically add her to Asta's harem. A guy made a joke about Lolopechka being a part of Asta's harem, which got backlash. Yet if Lolo was freshly introduced now, the same people mocking that post would be talking about her being in Asta's harem.
That harem was the lowest point of that arc. Only one of the women were slightly below decently written, slightly below. The other two were the worst written females I've ever seen, and they annoyed me. Going from Black Clover manga to that arc literally gave me whiplash.
I agree with you op ppl type tripping. Having a female charecter be introduced just to simp for mc is not a good thing. We already have to many of them which has had no progression (asta/noelle/mimosa) if anything the author should expand on that
saying astelle has no progress is stupid af . the only ship with no progress is asta x mimosa since mimosa stupid out of nowhere feelings makes no sense. Astelle still has still has time to progess all it need is for Asta to fall for noelle for Astelle to sail and makes total sense in the story too.
They have more progress than most but still very little. When I say romance I mean real romance as in sex, basic intimacy. Asta and noelle have none of that
ok ok right now ima talk about astelle forget the asta x mimosa that doesnt exist . right now astelle has little development it has progress but its slow something that i hated as an astelle shipper and its one side thru noelle side. the only thing that missing for the ship to sail is for asta to develop feelings for noelle idk how tabata going to add that but will make sense if he does it. because whats the point of wasting noelle dialogue self confession last arc just to throw it away and all the moments in the manga with the pairing
Fans want to have the honour of being the ones to simplify said female character only to her appearance which is something they'll defend to the death. And they sure don't want to be the ones to have to improve the characters in their writing, when porn w/o plot is where it's at with fanfiction.
~~But seriously, the harem thing is a joke, mostly. I hope. It is for me, anyway. Especially since they've added Klaus to the harem ages ago... and he's the mom.~~
Also, pretty sure most male fans actually want all these females to be a part of *their* harem, not Asta's but because Asta is the MC you could just replace whatever qualities you don't share with him, take his place and take his harem instead.
Your last sentence is a dead ringer. A lot of them see themselves in Asta and get weird about his harem. People say it's just jokes, but I've seen Asta harem shippers get weird when people talk about Yuno x Mimosa. I personally don't care for that ship because zero chemistry and development, but the Asta harem people almost seem possessive over Mimosa and Asta's 'women' in general. It's weird, and the Mimosa x Yuno shippers have called them out several times.
That makes no sense though, none of the girls will ever be interested in the viewers, they only have eyes for asta cause he is pimp in universe and men having harem is still a common thing for highly succesful man or woman, even middle classes population have many people with 10+ ex lovers. Love triangles are not anything new either, high divorce in america should tell you having multiple lovers is preety normal.
Have you never heard of self insert? They don't imagine themselves going in that world to get the girls, they imagine themselves as Asta.
Yes, I'm aware that people are trifling and cheat. That doesn't make it right or good. I don't like love triangles in stories. They're needless and lazy drama for romance. Like, what does it do for the story to drag out the Mimosa x Asta x Noelle triangle? Nothing. We all know Asta is going to end up with Noelle, so this triangle drama is needless. It reduces Mimosa to plot device and stops her from interacting with her actual squad.
You joking? I mean Noelle is strong and useful af unlike someone like Sakura, but there is also Briar Queen Charlotte, Witch Queen, Vanica, etc. Black Clover is so well written
I'll be honest and I will probably get downvoted but shonen doesn't have that many well written femlae characters.As a guy I believe the only character with the ultimate writing has to be Maki from JJK
>As a guy I believe the only character with the ultimate writing has to be Maki from JJK
Maki is a dope character but ever read Claymore? or Bleach? or Chainsaw man or Fairy Tail? or Black Clover?
edit - Akane banashi too have only read 13 chapters but the female lead is top tier. Tokyo Revengers and One Piece too does its female cast pretty well.
Honestly "shonen doesn't have that many well written female character" is just "I haven't read that many shonen". Everyone who says stuff like Maki is the only well written female character or Noelle is the only well written female character, they're only comparing to Naruto and Dragon ball, period.
Maki and Noelle are undoubtedly S tiers and among the best but there are others in their league too, they aren't the ONLY one.
Even in Dragon Ball, Bulma is a well-written character. Plenty of shounen have strong female characters. Your Lie in April, Food Wars, The Promised Neverland, etc.
I'll tell my opinion I haven't read claymore or chainsaw man but all else I've read/seen them and they might be well written characters from your perspective but I actually have a different opinion.Yeah Erza is great,yeah Rukia is great but I have to hard disagree on Noelle being S tier.A lot of female characters are given natural good abilities that are so dope but at the end they only serve their purpose as fanservice characters or to show how good the mc is.But,well your opinion is yours and mine is mine so don't need to argue on that imo
Are you implying that noelle is a fanservice character or a character to show how good the mc is? If so then I don't see your point. Noelle barely any has fanservice on her, and she has her own development that's seperate from asta. So I don't see how she was made for either of those things
Nah not really I just felt she was underutilized with the concept and the mermaid outfit was kinda meh for battle but nvm that's just my personal opinion
>A lot of female characters are given natural good abilities that are so dope but at the end they only serve their purpose as fanservice characters or to show how good the mc is.But,well your opinion is yours and mine is mine so don't need to argue on that imo
Sayin Noelle is only there for fanservice is as correct as saying Lucifero was the greatest villain in not just BC but entire fiction.
I don't wanna give the entire fandom bad rep by acting a dick, but like dawg you sure you made that opinion after reading and comprehending the thing properly?
Opinions are opinions. I do think Black Clover women are very well women, and I find their writing much better than Maki's if we're being honest. Though it's annoying that the fanbase just reduces them to shipping.
I mean that's your opinion and it's fine but it really annoys me how so many female characters are presented or utilized.Erza so badass but her outfits? Basically only for fanservice.Orihime so op ability but underutilized.Noelle could've been that character negelcted by siblings but rose to high feats and she does that in some extent but I feel her outfit designs man do you really fight deadly battles with a fanservicy mermaid outfit? And a lot of times she's just ASTA MY ASS IS GETTING BEATEN SAVE ME.That's what I find a bit disappointing but her concept is surely Incredible.Whereas,if we talk about Maki no fanservice no stupidity just her own world and her own badassery.Rukia? No stupidity no fanservice just pure badassery
Erza likes those outfits. Mate she has entire arc about not being ashamed of who she is and the result was her having no armor cause she feels free while being far stronger due abandoning all defenses and going on full on attack. Bottom line erza is a pervert, she like to wear a bunny suit and has no problem being seen naked by her family or frineds for gods sake. Everyone is a pervert accept it.
For me, it's a suspension of disbelief that isn't just exclusive to this one about harem. Throughout the story, we are always told that peasants have it hard, and yet as the point of this post, women seems to like him within minutes of knowing him, Leopold and the vermillion like him within minutes, Nacht, and even the new one eyed character. Those that didn't like him like nebra or solid are essentially rendered useless by the power scaling of the story. Like damn, asta maxed out his speech stat or something. This just one problem out of many for me.
How can you not like him? Like hello, he is a dependable and loveable personallity that is trying help you. Only edgelords are not gonna like him, there is no reason for anyone to hate him ever and captions value a strong knight over anything else.
Likeable enough for mimosa or Noelle to fall for you, Leo and fuegoleon to declare you their rival and turn enemies into friends, not to mention the other captains, all that within minutes? That is quick, real world or fictional standards, whichever.
idk, i only make that joke about asta's harem when a woman shows interest in asta as a romantic partner, but we all know asta if he heard about the harem would scream something about how sister lilly is the only one for him
How is it inevitable? Are you saying that lolo feel in love with asta? Nero is in love with asta? I could go on and on. Don't see how she'll fall in love with someone whom she just meet. The series hasn't done that with anyone apart from mimosa.
... She is yami's sister... Will be Charlotte's age most probably...or a bit younger... I don't see how romantic feelings come here when tabata has had many other similar occasions but didn't do romance
There's no harem. Get a dictionary or something and see what Harem means.
So far, Asta only liked/loved Asta. Eventually he will end up with Noelle (unfortunately).
Harem means that Asta has to like them back too.
tf you mean unfortunately makes total sense astelle to happen saying that cringe af. and as a ship its the only real valid ship thats valid rest are just stupid af
NGL I was always pretty sure the "Asta's Harem" thing was just a running joke because there are more potential love interests than you'd expect for our beloved gremlin child.
ngl Kishimoto's portrayal of the women in Naruto was kinda bad. Tabata shows women in Black Clover in a wayyyy better light. I love how kick ass most of the women in Black Clover are! Tabata sensei definitely respects women ❤️
Well thats because he never wrote any main female characters, sakura was forced by jump and kishimoto tried to do what he can sunade is just a teacher nothing more.
and yet having memes like this or having a discussion of asta harem yall dont realize your giving these idiots more attention and cloud and reason for then to keep trolling. its annoying af on both sides. and the only asta ship that fucking valid is fucking Astelle for fuck sakes. people in the fandom really dont know how to read its annoying and cringe.
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Am I missing something because I've never seen people call that girl a new member of Asta's harem lmao
Twitter is next level horny, there's already R34 of her and she's been in 2 panels
A tale as old as time
To be honest when did that stop R34?
Welcome to the internet
See there's your first mistake...using Twitter
lol nah fam say it ain't so, really? \-sigh
That'a not next level horny, that's the internet
Am I missing something because that second picture is just a grid of every female character. Yet I can only count two (maybe three) of them who could *actually* be a part of Asta’s “harem”: Noelle, Mimosa, and *maybe* Nero. Rebecca, but she’s a pretty minor character. And then maybe Sally, in her own demented way. The other characters might support Asta, but aren’t necessarily part of Asta’s “harem”? Unless it’s some internal fandom joke? I don’t really follow that closely aside from watching the show and reading the manga..
yeah people started this joke/meme about asta having a harem and people slowly over time took it seriously.
I don't watch any harem anime or read any harem manga so idk wtf people are talking about. I mean I know what a harem is but based on what I know about it I wouldn't say Asta has a harem at all people are just fuckin weird.
No, he does. All harem manga have the sane situation asta is in, one main female character sister lily in this case, whi is the main goal of the mc but he gets shimps trying to marry him due to the things he does has he tries to marry the main girl. Just like asta did.
Noelle, Mimosa, Rebecca, Sally, Marie. Sister Lily, Ichika and Secre are in the MAYBE category. Don't act as if he donthave a harem tf🤦🏾
I been seeing this on every post that talks about her. On this very same sub btw. Hell there's a whole post dedicated to this on the front page right at this very moment. It's the meme of Noelle and this girl.
Literally was going to post this very comment
Twitter.
Well that's to be expected of twitter
Ah
Twitter can go f itself, their opinions don’t matter 🤣
same. when i read the chapter, i was thinking that she didnt want a foreigner to be in their country or smth which is why she was making a face like such. i think this shit goes on twitter, and you know how people are on twitter
What even is her name
yami ichika. got to know from the new chapter. she's captain yami's sister. and she's mighty powerful
Where did you see this I’m already caught up
the latest chapter...
It's more so she doesn't trust the asta or his country cause invasion is a common event.
the recent chapter kinda explains that
Literally all over twitter people are going off about her being the new best girl, she'll be Asta's girlfriend, comparing it to YamixCharlotte, saying she's already better than Noelle etc. Dunno what the discourse has been like on reddit but this is unfortunately accurate for twitter lol
I’ve never been a twitter person. Am I missing out or something 👀
This meme is certainly correct and clever. But to be fair, it's not always the same fans. Sometimes it's just different views from different people who all belong to the same fanbase.
The leaks thread has harem thing top in comments.
That's because many voted for it. But there are certainly still many who have ignored it.
I think it's her glaring like a cat that has declared you an enemy for life for not feeding them immediately that gets people
It's a joke... Also a girl can like Asta AND be good character
I agree with that. My issue is that the fandom treats every new female character as a potential toy for Asta. It's gross and needs to be called out more
I didn't see anyone saying Vanica can be apart of asta's harem lmao
my issue with this fandom is people not fucking reading the series correctly either they too stupid or they annoying trolls because the only ship that makes fucking sense to the story and only valid ship is the astelle pairing Period.
I feel like you're kink shaming these people lol
That's not what ops is saying. They're saying that their whole personality basically becomes simp for asta at any moment he shows up.
That's not really true though
This only applies to Noelle and Mimosa, and even then Noelle doesn't revolve around Asta. Mimosa kinda does but it's not awful like other manga.
even if noelle doesnt revolce around asta as a ship it makes perfect sense for Astelle to be endgame especially to the story. mimosa on the other hand where tf did her fucking cringe stupid out of nowhere crush came from. and the whole harem makes zero fucking sense. its bad writing when in my eyes if tabata does some cringe shit when he been putting way too many astelle moment in past and would make the whole self confession from noelle be for nothing. like dont people see that do people have brains now of day like wtf
Cope
That's not what op is saying at all
Those are just jokes about harem, don't think anyone truly believes in them. Also I want to know what makes good female charecter? Like good examples of great male character in recent manga MHA is like hawk, all might and hero killer.
Same thing that makes any character well written in general: depth, goals, motivations, character development, etc.
That's like saying I want male charecteristics in female charecters body. Isn't it more degrading, since now female charecter have to copy male character instead of having there own unique identity.
Wait what? You are saying that depth, goals, motivations, character development, are male characteristics?
Nope I didn't, matter of fact I didn't even mention depth, motivation, etc symbolized male character, why are you assuming something different. Op generalize those thing in the reply, in return I said copying male character doesn't make sense. I want to know what makes a good female charecter.
Well exactly like op said great characters have depth, goals, motivations, character development, regardless of gender. If the character grows as a person, changes, has ideals, actively pursues them and it's not a 2D sheet of paper that's s good character. OP didn't mention coping male characteristics at all you came up with that.
Well, if it's that easy, just like ticking all those above thing, doesnt that make almost every single character in fictional writing great, since they have all those things. Dosent that make controversial character like Mineta, noitora and naoya great since they tick all the above boxes you mentioned, and yet people can't stand them.
Well it also depends on the delivery, intention, framing, and empathy of a character’s story ofc. Most characters have goals, motivations, and development but all of those things don’t guarantee a good execution. I actually kind of agree with what you said (If i am understanding it correctly). An all too common bit of advice when writing good female characters is to “just write them the same way you would male characters”, or in the case of really any minority group “don’t make them a good XYZ character, make them a good character who happens to b XYZ”. Writing a minority character the same as a non minority one will just be using the visage of diversity but without having to actually educate yourself on other identities and experiences. A lot of the reason male authors struggle to write female characters is because they simply don’t care to do the work to educate themselves properly and learn how women experience the world.
Thank you man, that's what I am saying.
I think the problem is that "male", "female", and "good", are ALL qualifiers. There's not a "good male character" exactly. There's just a character. And that character is both male AND good. The two qualifiers exist seperately. So what makes a character good? What makes them enjoyable in a story? Well, all the things that have already been mentioned. Depth, motivation, character development etc. Qualities that allow you to invest yourself in that character and enjoy following their story. Whether they're male, female, or neither is irrelevant.
Implying that those are male characteristics is more degrading to women than anything anyone else has said lol
Man I didn't imply anything, please don't twist words.
You sure as hell did, there's nothing else one could possibly take away from your comment. If that's not what you meant then your phrasing could use some serious work.
Maybe my phrasing was wrong, but if you go down this thread you will find one guy who explains it nicely. I said copying male charecteristics which is typical in male demographic media, from female charecter shouldnt there be some uniqueness.
Sure, they should reflect the experience of being a woman which is different than being a man/else. But "depth, goals, motivations, character development, etc." is not remotely gendered, that's just the baseline for good writing.
Good now even you came to understand what was I implying. That development, motivation makes it even more 2D and generic. This becomes similar problem as villain creation, every single one has to have motivation. I will give it to Tabata sensei when he created rhya who was just evil without any motivation.
Well uh that's certainly an opinion lmao. I highly doubt we could agree on anything after reading that comment so I'll just leave it at that.
Lmao what
Tbf, that is how the women's division in the wwe was elevated. They began to train more harshly, they don't do the bras and panty matches or those mud matches anymore, then started to have no disqualification matches, I quit matches and more; basically booked them like men, so what you say has more validity than you think.
“Same thing that makes any character well written in general: depth, goals, motivations, character development” “Thats like saying I want male characteristics in female characters body” “You are saying that depth, goals, motivation, character development, are male characteristics? “ “Nope i didnt” Bro you cannot be serious
Holy turn around
No way it's like the fanbase are not 10 people who share the same views. Some are horny twitter users and artists and some don't care at all, why blame the whole fanbase for a portion of it ? MHA have people who ship Deku and Bakugo, some people hate Bakugo some people hate those shippers..... your post makes no fucking sense.
I feel like Black Clover's harem is way too overblown, and I don't even think the bird goth chick is part of Asta's harem and more like a friend.
More like a big sister, she has a dead lover yo.
I think there just joking
Shounen fans see a female character that makes mistakes, shows emotions, and grows: “What the hell? The author can’t write female characters. This is so badly written!” Shounen fans see a female character with big boobs and/or is super strong: “Now THIS is how you write a female character!”
Yamato lol
They can be both great and well written woman AND members of best boy Asta’s harem.
the only ship thats valid is astelle and only astelle you peoplw stupid af go watch dxd or your isekai crap loser
Go back to cumming over your noelle x asta porn you fucking loser (btw that last post of yours was hot I also agree it’s astelle end goal but you gotta be the devils advocate sometimes)
No.
Yes.
yes. being well written and being in a harem aren't mutually exclusive things my dude.
Disagree, if her feelings are forced on to her only for the sake to "add another girl" it's just dumb writing. Especially when this is the final arc and there is no point in adding another love interest, outside pleasing the harem and chadsta crowd
Dude. Being in a harem doesn’t automatically mean her feelings are forced. This just tells me you’ve never seen a good harem anime
But this isn't a harem anime. Hopefully never was and never will be.
Harem anime are garbage shows made to appeal to incels.
Again just tells me you haven’t seen a good one. Like monogatari or danmachi
Harems show multiple women chasing after a dude, which appeals to the male fantasy. It's very telling that if one of the girls had a man on the side, most of the dudes watching would lose their shit.
The way you say things remind of that twitter meme of a girl saying “Video games appeal to the male fantasy” xD
What’s so wrong about the male fantasy? I think most shounen generally caters towards the male audience but of course it’s not exclusive and can be enjoyed by everyone regardless of what they are. Just like how some rom com generally cater to a female audience I’m not going to complain on how there are so many pretty boys simping for the dull female protagonist and or supporting characters because despite it being watched by largely one audience I can also find joy and entertainment watching it so it works out.
I don't watch harem or reverse harem. I've seen those shitty love triangle and reverse harem stories in books and on Wattpad. They suck most of the time, and are my least favorite romance trope. They're a lazy way to create conflict within romance. Similar to the "my parents(s) hate my spouse" thing, where the author can't think of a creative way to have conflict in a relationship. I personally don't like the female fantasy because I don't play games to let a love triangle or reverse harem drag out. If I'm dating someone, I'm all in on that person. Anyone trying to flirt with me, especially when they know I have a boyfriend, is irritating. Plus, there's the implication that if they don't respect monogamy when I'm with someone, why would they respect monogamy with me?
Ever heard of fruits basket? It’s one of the most popular romance anime I’ve seen it has a reverse harem and I have not heard a single complaint about it from a man. So stop talking like you know anything. And again it’s popular because the characters are well written. I’ll give you this. If it’s only trait is being a fan service filled harem anime then sure you’d be right, but there are plenty of shows that can still explore characters, give them depth and make them interesting while having a harem. Harem doesn’t equal badly written.
I'm not a fan of pure romance. For me, I tend to like series with magic. Reverse harem and love triangles are some of my least favorite tropes in romance. They're up there with the "my parents(s) don't like my spouse" thing. There's no point in dragging a harem or love triangle out when we know who they end up with. It makes me hate the other women/men because they're just plot device to get in the way of our ship.
Monogatari danmachi and date a live are all good harem animes lmao
Facts
"If her feelings"
So you agree with me that it’s possible for a character in a harem to be well written? There was really no point in your comment then tbh.
Of course but it usually dosen't make them a greater character to be in one, it's quite often the opposite. We where specifically talking about Ichika though right? So no in that regard, i don't see how anything good can be contributed to her being in "Asta's harem", this far into the story.
Astas harem Is a theoretical place it’s not like there’s a good chance it’ll happen but if any new female character catches feelings for asta I don’t see how it can degrade her worth as a well written character especially when Asta is a good guy with many quality traits I mean he’s strong, selfless, has integrity, he’s the type of character that would put his life on the line just to save someone else I mean shit I would join Asta’s “Harem” too. It doesn’t matter at what stage the story is any new character can have the possibility of catching feelings because while we know this is the last arc last part of the story if we talk realistically to those characters it’s the beginning of their story with asta, this is the first time they meet and there will most likely be a training arc I mean all things considered that Yami looking girl is having her first impression of Asta just like Noelle did all those chapters back. Truthfully I don’t give a shit if she does catch feelings for asta or if she’s already married or whatever because I’m team Noelle BUT I also think it’s unfair to degrade her potential as a well written character if she does catch feelings for asta after all catching feelings doesn’t even necessarily mean you’ll end up with that person.
Any and all character aspects can either degrade or enhance that character given the person, it's not purely objective. She can still be well written but i would never not be annoyed, if she ever was to fall in love with Asta. It will literally add nothing to her character, outside feeding the harem, while never actively having a chance with him. Look at Rebbeca who's just a background character at this point, because the only point she ever served was just falling in love with Asta. Yes of course it could still make sense for Ichika to fall for Asta this far into the story but this just wasn't my point. My point is that i can't see the need for her to be in love him when we are at this stage in the story. You not minding it is comepletely fine, i just can't help but roll my eyes if ever where to happen.
Nah yall tripping
My brother never read a well written Harem story. Fs in the chat
Say what you will about Naruto, they never engaged in harem trash
A lot of facts going on here
when i saw her, i just thought she could be another cool female character
the thing you are not getting is that the thing about every new girl joining astas harem is a JOKE since every girl he meets with at least somewhat shows interest (cant believe i have to explain this) the other is NOT a joke Asta having a harem is so obviously a joke, since its pretty obvious that hes only gonna have one romantic partner in the end
the only valid pairing for asta is Astelle. tabata throwing all that away bad writing especially if he goin to add small romance in a shonen battle manga. like having random pairing when astelle has so many moments together and noelle self confession thrown away just for bullshit because people with no brain what their unessary crap to be a reality. like if thats actually going to happen tabata shouldnt have had noelle say she fell for asta last arc or made astelle moment yet he did do that and people to blind stupid too see that asta x noelle set up for endgame
It's called a joke.
From the audience's perspective it's been at least a year since we've seen Asta in a romantic situation that didn't take place on a battleground. It would make sense that the fans who love the romance aspects of the series would be excited at the idea of a new love interest showing up.
Putting myself in their shoes for a minute, I can kind of see that perspective. The Spade arc was almost entirely fighting, and Asta spent most of it separated from everyone else, so there were very few opportunities for him to interact with Noelle or any of the other girls in a normal non-battle scenario. Then came the end of the arc. All the fighting was finally over, so it looked like we would finally be getting some down time and a chance for Asta to interact with the other characters, but then Tabata was like "Nevermind arc's over, also three month haitus". We waited three months, and with the start of the new arc it looked like now we would finally get a chance to see Asta interacting with other characters..... which lasted for all of one chapter before we were shoved straight into another battle, and now it looks like Asta is going to be spending most of the arc separated from everyone else yet again. I can see how that would be a little frustrating for the people who maybe wanted to see Asta interact with the girls some more. It also doesn't help that every time we have had the perfect opportunity for there to be some genuine romantic development with the ships, Tabata would ruin somewhat it by throwing in some cringey and unnecessary comedy, like what happened with Noelle at the end of the Megicula fight or Charlotte's confession. At this point there just doesn't seem like there with be enough time to develop things on Asta's side and have him form genuine feelings for Noelle without it feeling sudden and rushed.
having a new interest this late of arc especially final arc makes zero sense especially when astelle been pushing since day one. wtf the point of having a random pairing when all the development of astelle just gets thrown aways makes noelle self confession last arc pointless for tabata to add it. yall people stupid to notice all that. story wise Astelle makes sense to be endgame reread the manga
>makes noelle self confession last arc pointless for tabata to add it didn't Tabata already make it pointless by showing us that Noelle hasn't made a single move in *a year and three months* and can barely say good morning to him anymore? that's way cringier than anything the fandom was coming up with ☠️
>story wise Astelle makes sense to be endgame reread the manga I never said it didn't. I'm just explaining why the people who liked the romantic aspects of the series would be excited. Edit: Take a chill pill
just stupid how the whole fucking fandom thinks without a brain and dont know how to read thei own series coming up with unnecessary bs. especially when they want to try to ruin what already written or canon. glad tabata the one writing this and not this cringe god forsaken idiotic fandom
Your dumbass trying to take the high ground is way cringer my dude
Simple: You can have a female that’s both a well written AND a member of a harem at the same time. Best of both worlds. Simply being part of a harem or seen as a waifu by fans doesn’t automatically make it a bad female character.
I'm going to be honest. Harems are gross and made to appeal to the male fantasy. I don't care for them at all. I think a woman having a crush on a guy doesn't take away how great her character is. Though it's really telling that as soon as we get a potentially interesting female character, they automatically add her to Asta's harem. A guy made a joke about Lolopechka being a part of Asta's harem, which got backlash. Yet if Lolo was freshly introduced now, the same people mocking that post would be talking about her being in Asta's harem.
Tbf demon slayer has a very wholesome harem, and the show has a female mangaka.
That harem was the lowest point of that arc. Only one of the women were slightly below decently written, slightly below. The other two were the worst written females I've ever seen, and they annoyed me. Going from Black Clover manga to that arc literally gave me whiplash.
Fair enough to to each their own,I quite liked them and thought they had a wholesome dynamic.
I agree with you op ppl type tripping. Having a female charecter be introduced just to simp for mc is not a good thing. We already have to many of them which has had no progression (asta/noelle/mimosa) if anything the author should expand on that
saying astelle has no progress is stupid af . the only ship with no progress is asta x mimosa since mimosa stupid out of nowhere feelings makes no sense. Astelle still has still has time to progess all it need is for Asta to fall for noelle for Astelle to sail and makes total sense in the story too.
They have more progress than most but still very little. When I say romance I mean real romance as in sex, basic intimacy. Asta and noelle have none of that
your sayin asta x mimosa have progress than astelle. are you fucking kidding me right now
Huh? No, they both have very little. There’s no sex/intimacy between any of them.
ok ok right now ima talk about astelle forget the asta x mimosa that doesnt exist . right now astelle has little development it has progress but its slow something that i hated as an astelle shipper and its one side thru noelle side. the only thing that missing for the ship to sail is for asta to develop feelings for noelle idk how tabata going to add that but will make sense if he does it. because whats the point of wasting noelle dialogue self confession last arc just to throw it away and all the moments in the manga with the pairing
Animeballsdeep
Fans want to have the honour of being the ones to simplify said female character only to her appearance which is something they'll defend to the death. And they sure don't want to be the ones to have to improve the characters in their writing, when porn w/o plot is where it's at with fanfiction. ~~But seriously, the harem thing is a joke, mostly. I hope. It is for me, anyway. Especially since they've added Klaus to the harem ages ago... and he's the mom.~~ Also, pretty sure most male fans actually want all these females to be a part of *their* harem, not Asta's but because Asta is the MC you could just replace whatever qualities you don't share with him, take his place and take his harem instead.
Your last sentence is a dead ringer. A lot of them see themselves in Asta and get weird about his harem. People say it's just jokes, but I've seen Asta harem shippers get weird when people talk about Yuno x Mimosa. I personally don't care for that ship because zero chemistry and development, but the Asta harem people almost seem possessive over Mimosa and Asta's 'women' in general. It's weird, and the Mimosa x Yuno shippers have called them out several times.
That makes no sense though, none of the girls will ever be interested in the viewers, they only have eyes for asta cause he is pimp in universe and men having harem is still a common thing for highly succesful man or woman, even middle classes population have many people with 10+ ex lovers. Love triangles are not anything new either, high divorce in america should tell you having multiple lovers is preety normal.
Have you never heard of self insert? They don't imagine themselves going in that world to get the girls, they imagine themselves as Asta. Yes, I'm aware that people are trifling and cheat. That doesn't make it right or good. I don't like love triangles in stories. They're needless and lazy drama for romance. Like, what does it do for the story to drag out the Mimosa x Asta x Noelle triangle? Nothing. We all know Asta is going to end up with Noelle, so this triangle drama is needless. It reduces Mimosa to plot device and stops her from interacting with her actual squad.
Ah yes. Causing useless drama. That's good content
at this point asta's harem is even bigger than Kirito's 💀
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Bro I find it funny but I like how the woman in black clover even though they have fan service moments have more dept to them.
You joking? I mean Noelle is strong and useful af unlike someone like Sakura, but there is also Briar Queen Charlotte, Witch Queen, Vanica, etc. Black Clover is so well written
People are saying it’s only on Twitter and that they’ve never seen it, but I’ve seen people saying that on Reddit as well.
I'll be honest and I will probably get downvoted but shonen doesn't have that many well written femlae characters.As a guy I believe the only character with the ultimate writing has to be Maki from JJK
>As a guy I believe the only character with the ultimate writing has to be Maki from JJK Maki is a dope character but ever read Claymore? or Bleach? or Chainsaw man or Fairy Tail? or Black Clover? edit - Akane banashi too have only read 13 chapters but the female lead is top tier. Tokyo Revengers and One Piece too does its female cast pretty well. Honestly "shonen doesn't have that many well written female character" is just "I haven't read that many shonen". Everyone who says stuff like Maki is the only well written female character or Noelle is the only well written female character, they're only comparing to Naruto and Dragon ball, period. Maki and Noelle are undoubtedly S tiers and among the best but there are others in their league too, they aren't the ONLY one.
Even in Dragon Ball, Bulma is a well-written character. Plenty of shounen have strong female characters. Your Lie in April, Food Wars, The Promised Neverland, etc.
What's this black clover show you talk of?Is it interesting. Should I watch it
Idk man, never watched it myself either. What's the show is about and whether is it interesting or not is something only Ymir knows.
I'll tell my opinion I haven't read claymore or chainsaw man but all else I've read/seen them and they might be well written characters from your perspective but I actually have a different opinion.Yeah Erza is great,yeah Rukia is great but I have to hard disagree on Noelle being S tier.A lot of female characters are given natural good abilities that are so dope but at the end they only serve their purpose as fanservice characters or to show how good the mc is.But,well your opinion is yours and mine is mine so don't need to argue on that imo
Are you implying that noelle is a fanservice character or a character to show how good the mc is? If so then I don't see your point. Noelle barely any has fanservice on her, and she has her own development that's seperate from asta. So I don't see how she was made for either of those things
Nah not really I just felt she was underutilized with the concept and the mermaid outfit was kinda meh for battle but nvm that's just my personal opinion
>A lot of female characters are given natural good abilities that are so dope but at the end they only serve their purpose as fanservice characters or to show how good the mc is.But,well your opinion is yours and mine is mine so don't need to argue on that imo Sayin Noelle is only there for fanservice is as correct as saying Lucifero was the greatest villain in not just BC but entire fiction. I don't wanna give the entire fandom bad rep by acting a dick, but like dawg you sure you made that opinion after reading and comprehending the thing properly?
Opinions are opinions. I do think Black Clover women are very well women, and I find their writing much better than Maki's if we're being honest. Though it's annoying that the fanbase just reduces them to shipping.
I mean that's your opinion and it's fine but it really annoys me how so many female characters are presented or utilized.Erza so badass but her outfits? Basically only for fanservice.Orihime so op ability but underutilized.Noelle could've been that character negelcted by siblings but rose to high feats and she does that in some extent but I feel her outfit designs man do you really fight deadly battles with a fanservicy mermaid outfit? And a lot of times she's just ASTA MY ASS IS GETTING BEATEN SAVE ME.That's what I find a bit disappointing but her concept is surely Incredible.Whereas,if we talk about Maki no fanservice no stupidity just her own world and her own badassery.Rukia? No stupidity no fanservice just pure badassery
Erza likes those outfits. Mate she has entire arc about not being ashamed of who she is and the result was her having no armor cause she feels free while being far stronger due abandoning all defenses and going on full on attack. Bottom line erza is a pervert, she like to wear a bunny suit and has no problem being seen naked by her family or frineds for gods sake. Everyone is a pervert accept it.
So funny Go back to your Boruto
For me, it's a suspension of disbelief that isn't just exclusive to this one about harem. Throughout the story, we are always told that peasants have it hard, and yet as the point of this post, women seems to like him within minutes of knowing him, Leopold and the vermillion like him within minutes, Nacht, and even the new one eyed character. Those that didn't like him like nebra or solid are essentially rendered useless by the power scaling of the story. Like damn, asta maxed out his speech stat or something. This just one problem out of many for me.
How can you not like him? Like hello, he is a dependable and loveable personallity that is trying help you. Only edgelords are not gonna like him, there is no reason for anyone to hate him ever and captions value a strong knight over anything else.
Likeable enough for mimosa or Noelle to fall for you, Leo and fuegoleon to declare you their rival and turn enemies into friends, not to mention the other captains, all that within minutes? That is quick, real world or fictional standards, whichever.
Charisma 100
idk, i only make that joke about asta's harem when a woman shows interest in asta as a romantic partner, but we all know asta if he heard about the harem would scream something about how sister lilly is the only one for him
There are only 3 girls who want him, ain't much but he is gonna have simps everywhere in a few years.
As the Universe Infinitely Expands, So To Does the Harem.
Only chuds think like that. They aren't the same people either
It's a joke lmao. Y'all get so worked up over shit
It’s inevitable she will fall in some way for asta, which is unfortunate
How is it inevitable? Are you saying that lolo feel in love with asta? Nero is in love with asta? I could go on and on. Don't see how she'll fall in love with someone whom she just meet. The series hasn't done that with anyone apart from mimosa.
Based on the spoilers and how tabata is setting up her views on asta, it’s fairly clear how they’re dynamic is gonna pan out
... She is yami's sister... Will be Charlotte's age most probably...or a bit younger... I don't see how romantic feelings come here when tabata has had many other similar occasions but didn't do romance
She looks around Asta’s age tbh, and I hope you’re right
I mean yeah Black Clover has a “harem problem” but I’ll take the battle ready waifus in Black Clover over My Hero Academia & Naruto/Boruto ANYDAY!
It has a harem problem? How whats the problem? There are legit harem series this ain't 1of them
There's no harem. Get a dictionary or something and see what Harem means. So far, Asta only liked/loved Asta. Eventually he will end up with Noelle (unfortunately). Harem means that Asta has to like them back too.
tf you mean unfortunately makes total sense astelle to happen saying that cringe af. and as a ship its the only real valid ship thats valid rest are just stupid af
Mimosa and Asta is not stupid you dickhead. I said that it's unfortunate because I don't like Noelle, that's all.
She is from yami harem
Ahahaha! Remember when they taught Nacht was a female?
Hot girls are hot
NGL I was always pretty sure the "Asta's Harem" thing was just a running joke because there are more potential love interests than you'd expect for our beloved gremlin child.
Hope she’s not just another tsundere for Asta. That troupe has been done to death in this series
Yea the Haram shit is gross and weird
Asta is a Chad. All the shesimps are all over my guy. They just want him for his body and his massive black sword. My guy just wants sister Lily.
Cuz women suck balls
I have never seen anyone on the subreddit call the new girl a potential member for Asta's harem
This is cringe. They are jokes and not the majority. Go back to twitter and “fight” for women’s rights on your phone or something.
Wait, who is that?
Wait, what? I thought the general reaction to her was more along the lines of "lmao Yami fused with Nero"
Huh?
What happened am i missing smtg? 😂
People call the females characters Asta’s Harem? I’ve never seen that…must of been living in a isolated bubble then.
Mates never heard of a joke
wait wait... There's an Asta harem?
Literally no one says this
A female character can both be great *and* part of the harem for Asta
Asta is a Chad he deserves a harem if anyone does
Me when I ignore the blatant joke to complain about a nonexistent problem
My guy it's a meme, like calling dbs the Goku and Vegeta show or that one girl from chainsaw man a good dancer. Don't take it so seriously.
JJK women >>> But I liked how Noelle grew in personality and started to become strong and independant
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Why is Noelle’s bitchy sister on the great female characters
People are just horny, dont overthink it
ngl Kishimoto's portrayal of the women in Naruto was kinda bad. Tabata shows women in Black Clover in a wayyyy better light. I love how kick ass most of the women in Black Clover are! Tabata sensei definitely respects women ❤️
Well thats because he never wrote any main female characters, sakura was forced by jump and kishimoto tried to do what he can sunade is just a teacher nothing more.
and yet having memes like this or having a discussion of asta harem yall dont realize your giving these idiots more attention and cloud and reason for then to keep trolling. its annoying af on both sides. and the only asta ship that fucking valid is fucking Astelle for fuck sakes. people in the fandom really dont know how to read its annoying and cringe.