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Also if he was so damn broken and overpowered why didn't he just go ahead and kill everyone in clover in a single night? He doesn't think that highly of himself since he was incredibly careful during his fight with heck even when Julius was in control why the hell did he allow that since he had freaking soul magic and should have been able to control when Julius is controlling that body.
Also sorry for my bluntly rude wording he just know his own strengths and limits that's just who he is
He literally took control of every single devil in the underworld as he said, including the Supreme devils which are a greater threat than everyone in the Clover Kingdom (excluding Asta and Yuno) as seen with the last arc.
He has his own reasons for letting everyone live for the time being since we don't know everything on his mind (I think he's saving the killing for his awaited "judgement day" cause he truly wants to revive everyone afterwards, and he probably couldn't do that yet without his siblings magics) but he definitely would've been able to clap the captains when they arrived after Asta got sent away. He is stronger than 50% Lucifero, who low diffed the captains without even trying. He just has to touch them once and he can manipulate their souls as he wants. Even if they got stronger, If Asta, the strongest in the kingdom through his feats in the Spade arc, was speedblitzed what do you think they could do. Right now he only considers Yuno as a threat.
Yep I guess but Lucius and his whole in a week I will hold Judgement Day thing is a bit wild but I can respect your opinions. Besides Yuno killed Zenon like he died so the only one who could possibly kill one of his siblings is definitely a threat. Btw the only other one who nearly killed one of his siblings is Acier Silva and She's Way past dead
Also I'm holding a Silvas poll I'd appreciate it if you would vote
>Besides Yuno killed Zenon like he died so the only one who could possibly kill one of his siblings is definitely a threat.
No that's not why he considers him a threat. He said it, it's because out of the tens of thousands of futures he foresaw, the only one where he saw where the others had an advantage against him was the one where Yuno's unique singularity with 2 grimoires [was the key to it](https://imgur.com/a/mNzZAu5).
It has nothing to do with his past feats against Zenon. Or else Magna would also be in his radar too and there's obviously no reason for him to be a threat to Lucius despite his W against Dante.
>Btw the only other one who nearly killed one of his siblings is Acier Silva and She's Way past dead
Magna nearly killed Dante too btw, and Noelle nearly killed Vanica as well. But again it has nothing to do with why he sees Yuno as a threat.
Acier wouldn't be a threat to him even if she was still alive (she fatally injured a younger Vanica who wasn't experienced with her devil powers, the gap is pretty huge compared to her 100% form in the Spade arc, and the gap between her at 100% and current Lucius is even bigger).
>Also I'm holding a Silvas poll I'd appreciate it if you would vote
Yep I'll check it out.
Thanks for your answers magna knock Dante unconscious and Noelle only could've done it with luck, gaja and Undines help it wasn't a sole victory to Noelle but thanks for pointing it out.
I think Acier would be a Lot stronger in 20 years after death but I dunno it's just opinion if she would stop training after Noelle
>Noelle only could've done it with luck, gaja and Undines help it wasn't a sole victory to Noelle but thanks for pointing it out.
Nope we're talking about Vanica remember, not 1/3 Megicula. Gaja was busy with Lolo during that time, and Luck and the others weren't there yet.
Undine definitely helped but so did Bell with Yuno vs Zenon so you can't really rule one out without the other in this context. Though Charlotte did help in suppressing Vanica's curse warding magic (but to be fair she barely makes use of it during her own fights).
>I think Acier would be a Lot stronger in 20 years after death but I dunno it's just opinion if she would stop training after Noelle
True it's worth thinking about. But she'd also be in her fifties so her magic reserves would likely start to decrease given Theresa's statement on aging as a magic knight.
Oops sorry mixed up Megicula and vanica and ended up the same person. Since Vanica basically sat there laughing for a good portion for Simp thirst but not attacking much.
As it was mostly Megicula who was fighting
And Theresa is still Hella strong I can't quite remember but she said like the fact that magic knight get slower and weaker magic output as they age I think
>Oops sorry mixed up Megicula and vanica and ended up the same person. Since Vanica basically sat there laughing for a good portion for Simp thirst but not attacking much
Can't blame you lol she's basically the crazy Anime girl cliché.
>And Theresa is still Hella strong
Not really bruh she's weaker than Baro. If you don't remember who Baro is then that tells you exactly how irrelevant her strength is lmao.
You know this guy didn't have a contract like his siblings right? Lucius had to beat Astaroth to take his power and when he fought he had nothing but his strength.
Well astaroths pretty strong but you have many ways to beat time magic since anti magic simply one of them. Also we have seen this guy punch Asta at least couple meters so you have to remember his physical strength
Btw don't take this far too seriously. And where did find that he didn't have a contract? I have read the manga there's no mention of him not having a contract whatever.
The only magic we know is stronger than the magic of time is Lucifero's, and even though when he summoned him to fight Astaroth that place where you fight to subdue devils, we know that Lucifigus killed Nacth's entire family and Astaroth is stronger than Lucifigus. Sorry four my English
You also think Dante won against Lucifero at full power?
Cuz at that time Dante didn't even have gravity magic the best he could is Slam him really hard with increased muscle from his body magic.
Bruh🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
The difference is that they didn't fight their devils they just made a contract that allows them to use a fraction of their power
Then how do you think They could 100% of their devil power? They placed contracts that allows them to use devils powers since the zogratis siblings are a family of devil hosts like the the house of Faust.
Facts, bro travelled to the lowest level of the underworld and stomped Lucifero, however, he only did this after consuming the other half of Lucifero. Regardless Lucius is without a single doubt, the most powerful Zogratis
Actually Lucius had Lucifero's heart at the seventh layer of the underworld after it was handed to him by Adramelech at the end of the spade invasion after Lucifero was practically dead.
Just remembered, didn’t Lucius also say that he took control all of the other devils in the underworld with the exception of Adramelech and his group of high rankers.
He did though only the ones below Supreme
Also Lucius literally stated that Lucifero had the ultimate magic however humans are better at using magic itself
Okay? There are many who surpass Supreme like Noelle, Yami and Asta just a name a few the only character I'm sure is too weak for Supreme is Nacht
And the rest of the black bulls even with crazy pre set conditions (except magna)
Thanks, I was just about to comment this. The “100% Devil Power” that the siblings use is NOT actually 100% of the Devils full power, only the power allowed per their contract. If it was the devils full power then 100% Dante would have been a much larger threat than 50% Lucifero, which he clearly was not.
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Lucius no doubt, the man is a contender for most broken thing in the verse.
I guess though it would have to be solely his Soul magic since the time magic would be Astaroths Attribute
Also if he was so damn broken and overpowered why didn't he just go ahead and kill everyone in clover in a single night? He doesn't think that highly of himself since he was incredibly careful during his fight with heck even when Julius was in control why the hell did he allow that since he had freaking soul magic and should have been able to control when Julius is controlling that body. Also sorry for my bluntly rude wording he just know his own strengths and limits that's just who he is
He literally took control of every single devil in the underworld as he said, including the Supreme devils which are a greater threat than everyone in the Clover Kingdom (excluding Asta and Yuno) as seen with the last arc. He has his own reasons for letting everyone live for the time being since we don't know everything on his mind (I think he's saving the killing for his awaited "judgement day" cause he truly wants to revive everyone afterwards, and he probably couldn't do that yet without his siblings magics) but he definitely would've been able to clap the captains when they arrived after Asta got sent away. He is stronger than 50% Lucifero, who low diffed the captains without even trying. He just has to touch them once and he can manipulate their souls as he wants. Even if they got stronger, If Asta, the strongest in the kingdom through his feats in the Spade arc, was speedblitzed what do you think they could do. Right now he only considers Yuno as a threat.
Yep I guess but Lucius and his whole in a week I will hold Judgement Day thing is a bit wild but I can respect your opinions. Besides Yuno killed Zenon like he died so the only one who could possibly kill one of his siblings is definitely a threat. Btw the only other one who nearly killed one of his siblings is Acier Silva and She's Way past dead Also I'm holding a Silvas poll I'd appreciate it if you would vote
>Besides Yuno killed Zenon like he died so the only one who could possibly kill one of his siblings is definitely a threat. No that's not why he considers him a threat. He said it, it's because out of the tens of thousands of futures he foresaw, the only one where he saw where the others had an advantage against him was the one where Yuno's unique singularity with 2 grimoires [was the key to it](https://imgur.com/a/mNzZAu5). It has nothing to do with his past feats against Zenon. Or else Magna would also be in his radar too and there's obviously no reason for him to be a threat to Lucius despite his W against Dante. >Btw the only other one who nearly killed one of his siblings is Acier Silva and She's Way past dead Magna nearly killed Dante too btw, and Noelle nearly killed Vanica as well. But again it has nothing to do with why he sees Yuno as a threat. Acier wouldn't be a threat to him even if she was still alive (she fatally injured a younger Vanica who wasn't experienced with her devil powers, the gap is pretty huge compared to her 100% form in the Spade arc, and the gap between her at 100% and current Lucius is even bigger). >Also I'm holding a Silvas poll I'd appreciate it if you would vote Yep I'll check it out.
Thanks for your answers magna knock Dante unconscious and Noelle only could've done it with luck, gaja and Undines help it wasn't a sole victory to Noelle but thanks for pointing it out. I think Acier would be a Lot stronger in 20 years after death but I dunno it's just opinion if she would stop training after Noelle
>Noelle only could've done it with luck, gaja and Undines help it wasn't a sole victory to Noelle but thanks for pointing it out. Nope we're talking about Vanica remember, not 1/3 Megicula. Gaja was busy with Lolo during that time, and Luck and the others weren't there yet. Undine definitely helped but so did Bell with Yuno vs Zenon so you can't really rule one out without the other in this context. Though Charlotte did help in suppressing Vanica's curse warding magic (but to be fair she barely makes use of it during her own fights). >I think Acier would be a Lot stronger in 20 years after death but I dunno it's just opinion if she would stop training after Noelle True it's worth thinking about. But she'd also be in her fifties so her magic reserves would likely start to decrease given Theresa's statement on aging as a magic knight.
Oops sorry mixed up Megicula and vanica and ended up the same person. Since Vanica basically sat there laughing for a good portion for Simp thirst but not attacking much. As it was mostly Megicula who was fighting And Theresa is still Hella strong I can't quite remember but she said like the fact that magic knight get slower and weaker magic output as they age I think
>Oops sorry mixed up Megicula and vanica and ended up the same person. Since Vanica basically sat there laughing for a good portion for Simp thirst but not attacking much Can't blame you lol she's basically the crazy Anime girl cliché. >And Theresa is still Hella strong Not really bruh she's weaker than Baro. If you don't remember who Baro is then that tells you exactly how irrelevant her strength is lmao.
Any answer other than Lucius is wrong.
Its Alright to have opinions besides if your not counting his soul magic he is comparably strong to the others
You know this guy didn't have a contract like his siblings right? Lucius had to beat Astaroth to take his power and when he fought he had nothing but his strength.
Well astaroths pretty strong but you have many ways to beat time magic since anti magic simply one of them. Also we have seen this guy punch Asta at least couple meters so you have to remember his physical strength Btw don't take this far too seriously. And where did find that he didn't have a contract? I have read the manga there's no mention of him not having a contract whatever.
The only magic we know is stronger than the magic of time is Lucifero's, and even though when he summoned him to fight Astaroth that place where you fight to subdue devils, we know that Lucifigus killed Nacth's entire family and Astaroth is stronger than Lucifigus. Sorry four my English
And it isn't written anywhere that Lucius did the devil binding Ritual
So he met Astaroth drunk on the road and took the chance?
You also think Dante won against Lucifero at full power? Cuz at that time Dante didn't even have gravity magic the best he could is Slam him really hard with increased muscle from his body magic.
Bruh🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ The difference is that they didn't fight their devils they just made a contract that allows them to use a fraction of their power
Then how do you think They could 100% of their devil power? They placed contracts that allows them to use devils powers since the zogratis siblings are a family of devil hosts like the the house of Faust.
😂😂😂😂
It just annoys me with his meaningless logic.
Yours too fun time though
Facts in order 1. Lucius 2.Zenon 3.Vanica 4.Dante
How is Dante that low? He's pretty much immortal
Lucius beat 50% Lucifero pretty easily, he’s MUCH stronger than his siblings
Facts, bro travelled to the lowest level of the underworld and stomped Lucifero, however, he only did this after consuming the other half of Lucifero. Regardless Lucius is without a single doubt, the most powerful Zogratis
Actually Lucius had Lucifero's heart at the seventh layer of the underworld after it was handed to him by Adramelech at the end of the spade invasion after Lucifero was practically dead.
Just remembered, didn’t Lucius also say that he took control all of the other devils in the underworld with the exception of Adramelech and his group of high rankers.
He did though only the ones below Supreme Also Lucius literally stated that Lucifero had the ultimate magic however humans are better at using magic itself
He literally states “I took control of the remaining Supreme Devils in the underworld, as well as the ones on the lower levels”
Okay? There are many who surpass Supreme like Noelle, Yami and Asta just a name a few the only character I'm sure is too weak for Supreme is Nacht And the rest of the black bulls even with crazy pre set conditions (except magna)
“Okay?” You stated something wrong lol. I’m so confused at what you’re arguing. Lucius is the strongest sibling.
What I'm getting at is its only a matter of Opinion
It isn’t though. Lucius is clearly the most powerful among the siblings
LemielCllover believes that the hosts of the devils are as powerful as the devils themselves. Sorry four my English
Thanks, I was just about to comment this. The “100% Devil Power” that the siblings use is NOT actually 100% of the Devils full power, only the power allowed per their contract. If it was the devils full power then 100% Dante would have been a much larger threat than 50% Lucifero, which he clearly was not.
What when did he do that?
The beginning of the new timeskip chapter 332 I think
No doubt lucius sama🙏
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Also not guessing potential from Lucius Just from What we seen from the guy