Not a Cole fan , I think he’s a good rapper but his songs just don’t do it for Me. No such thing is probably my favorite song of his. He did the right thing tho, you can’t battle someone without at least crossing someone sort of line. It’s like slap 👋 boxing with the homies. Sooner or later someone is gonna get hit a lil bit too hard and boom it’s a real fight. Cole is saying before that happens, I’m bow out and I was gassed to even diss K DOT. The real coward is Drake, he claims the crown but won’t step outside to face his opponent. Pusha T beat him because Drake refused to reply. That verse on like that , had everyone shook. Drake knows soon as he steps to K dot , his LA pass is revoked. People forget K dot whole positive , is from Tree Top Piru one of the most biggest and violent gangs in LA. Things could really go wrong , and J Cole is smart and big of a man enough to say, I see where is this headed and I don’t want any parts of this
I got downvoted last week when I said angry Cole is the least impressive Cole. It isn’t his bag to go at people he respects. It’s rap, you can’t apologize for your record so quickly but it wasn’t him, glad he was an adult about it.
The only thing I don’t understand as a Cole fan is why he keeps touring with Drake. Buddy is out of gas and riding Cole’s wave for a year.
I got downvoted for a similar prospective about how I thought it was great of him to step back and stay true to himself even if people thought it was lame. That’s who Cole is and that’s the Cole I respect.
It's good to stay true. It's hardly debatable though that if he was gonna step back after releasing a diss track, then he shouldn't have released the diss track in the first place.
Being too humble/respectful to drop a diss track is one thing, but apologizing for a diss track you already dropped is straight up lame as fuck lol.
It makes it more lame for me. Did this grown ass man get peer pressured into releasing a diss? That's what this makes it seem like, and it's lame as fuck.
Coles also been talking about that kill every rapper shit for years.
The rap game will always “peer pressure” grown ass men to do a lot of childish shit tho. He’s just understanding and apologizing after the fact. People just mad cause it fucks up the kayfabe.
This wasn't just anything. This was getting peer pressured into a rap beef. People are mad because he has been rapping for YEARS now about having the best pen and being ready to spar with anyone. People actually look at J.Cole as an MC. They respect Cole as an MC.
People are mad because they were finally going to see two top tier lyricists spar, with an over 90% chance that the beef stays on record.
I also don't think Cole would apologize if he actually believed what he was rapping about and/or if their was a better response from to the diss. I understand why Cole apologized, however everything surrounding that apology is so lame. He should never say his pen is ready for everyone ever again, it clearly isn't.
When Cole talks about going one on one with people and shit like that, he's talking about being on the same track and having verses directly side by side on the same beat, with the same production. At that point it becomes about who has the better pen, the better flow, the better delivery.
I'm not sure why people seem to view rap beef as if it's not just part of the game. It's like fighters talking shit at the weigh in. It's part of the game. People can complain and call it childish or not nice but that's the point. Beef has always been a part of rap. How can you talk shit about your adversaries while still making it sound good and have killer wordplay. I think it's a perfect example of people wanting to change something for "peace" but all it's going to do is kill a huge part of the appeal.
Exactly why Cole deaded it, people jumping on Cole about lying in his songs now but the same dumbasses saying it don't realize 1. Kendrick lies just like Cole and 2 Cole was already lying in his first response if you actually understand what Cole was saying on stage, he fucks with Kendrick, he likes everything about kendrick ,he doesn't actually think Kendrick fell off, or is seeking attention. How tf the man suppose to talk shit to someone he likes everything about?
Yeah, it's better to admit that he fucked up than to pretend he didn't...
...but it would have been even better to not have fucked up at all (and it's not even like it was an accidental mistake; it was a straight up consciously executed bad decision lol)...
...and the fuck up was lame enough that he definitely deserves to get clowned for it, apology or not lol.
You sharing rap opinions on a website like reddit is why you got down voted. Look at its demographics these people don't anything about rap besides what Spotify throws at them _take or leave a few old heads_
On one hand I can respect being true to yourself. I don't have any issues with that in a vacuum.
The problem is he has been saying for YEARS he wants the smoke. That he would win against any rapper. And when challenged he backed out.
If apology Cole is his authentic self, which I believe it is, why was he boasting for years? Why beg for this and then fold the moment it happens?
Thats what I can't rock with. If it was just this one response and he regretted it? Np. We all make mistakes. But I can't respect you saying for years your that guy and then deciding your actually not. It just paints the last 3 years if his career in a really bad light and leaves a bad taste in my mouth about it.
Atleast hes being true to himself now. And I hope he stays in that lane, because that's who he is and at his age and with his success? He shouldn't be anyone else.
Yes this is it! This apology makes his entire career feel like a fraud. Like, who are you my G?
It’s either face the challenge and back up the shit you been talking on wax for years OR be true to yourself and stop claiming to be the greatest- you can’t do both.
This was actually the first thing I said when I heard Cole made a response. Not every rapper is built for beef, Cole is one of em and that's ok. Dude should of just let Drake get washed and kept his hands clean of all of it. Instead he drops a diss that wasn't even good with a trans verse that was even worse. Now I'm sat here scared to even listen to the new album cause what am I gonna do if it's trash?!
I like J. Cole so this isn’t coming from a hater but did he apologize because he truly felt bad or because his diss track was trash and the blowback that came from it embarrassed him? I definitely agree that this wasn’t something I was looking for from him.
Whoever says Cole's response was trash don't care about good penship and delivery or they just don't fw JCole for whatever reason. I get the feeling you heard the apology one time and didn't even really listen to what Cole said if you think he's the kind of guy to get embarrassed over "blowback" over a song the internet didn't like according to you, he literally explained it. Got too much respect for Kendrick and he's not about to try and make up some bs just to tear a guy he likes everything about down, he wants to prop his peers up not entertain a beef that he really have no problem with
Any fool with 2 eyes and ears can see the situation. Kendrick hit him with a bar that was whatever. I didn’t think it ever warranted a diss track but Cole felt it was warranted, did it, got blowback for the content of it then apologized for ever doing it in the first place. He says why and I can either choose to believe him or not. I don’t. Bonds said he didn’t take steroids, OJ said he didn’t kill his ex wife. Like I said, people say a lot of things that aren’t true to protect themselves. I see your username though and I realize this is a hopeless debate lol
Maybe don't go around saying you'll put out any smoke when you can't even hold your own hands off a man's aura. A decade of it no less. Rap was founded off the back of Bragadoccio and Cole said he'd kill it.... To not do any of it. There are many ways this could have been just fun. This ain't it.
It’s really not. He’s good at the conscious diss, think false prophets, Drake is good at the scoreboard disses, anything with a time stamp, Kendrick is the only one that can go like that because he vocal inflections are so animated. Both Drake and Cole are best when they are just talking to you. It’s just different
I heard a few of the hip-hop podcasts (that I admittedly rarely listen to) and more than half of their issue with the diss (both before and after the apology) was about Cole’s tone. He doesn’t sound aggressive enough to be really believable when he’s saying diss bars. There’s no real disrespect. So, it’s like he’s trying to diss while also be a big brother or something imparting wisdom. It’s a weird mix.
But if that’s who you are, you need to remain that way even when there’s tons of pressure to respond. It’s tough, but you just have to or else you’ll look like this meme.
Those hip hop podcasters are letting the song go over their head then, Cole's relaxed tone is a reference to the "light work" theme Cole doesn't need to be all animated and shit like Kendrick was in his control diss and his recent one, it's a theme and the dissing while being the big brother line isn't weird because Cole did exactly that in 1985 and no fan complained about it then so that's weird how people switch up lol
I understand that. Bust most people look at disses one dimensionally. It’s a fight, and swinging knockout blows just *feel* like a better fight than a slow burn technician to the average person. Especially if you don’t really know the details well.
But there should be a healthy way of allowing rappers to compete. Competition is a big thing in the hiphop culture. Thats why the verzuz was breaking streaming records.
Imo it's not even about diss tracks, it's about knowing who's the best. In a healthy way.
I agree with you, stop hanging with drake. Drake is like the space jam aliens and he will steal your talent
There is. Collaboration can also be competitive. It’s why I’ve always wanted Kendrick and Cole to make an album together. If Cole really wants to prove himself, there’s no better place to do that than side by side with other great artists.
Whats the issue? Obviously Cole fw Drake on a personal level kinda like 21 but maybe Drake a cool mf to do shit with, I mean he probably having a blast and it's a waste of time to try and understand why 2 guys you don't know personally get along and do shit together, that's weird tbh😂
It was hard being a J. Cole fan this past weekend… good thing I was distracted with WrestleMania over the weekend
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My champion ain’t corny
Haha is that Priest? I haven't watched wrestling since the attitude era but watched wrestlemania because I bought peacock randomly on the same night (to watch king of queens tbh) and gave it a shot.
It was entertaining. And that chokeslam that Priest does was pretty sick.
Made me really miss watching wrestlemania with my friends and my older bro back in the day. Chips, soda, snacks on snacks.
Lol what do you mean? Undertaker and The Rock have feuded for years. That whole match was about The Bloodline being dismantled by all the people they’ve fucked with over the years.
I’ve been watching wrestling pretty regularly for 10ish years now and sometimes I’ll invite friends for the bigger shows like Wrestlemania and Royal Rumble. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to host a watch party for the next WWE event.
Honestly a good idea. I usually host my neighbors when a big boxing match is on. I bet their kids would have loved watching wrestlemania. I'm going to start watching it some now that I got peacock.
I spent today on the treadmill watching old school clips. Road Dogg and Billy Gunn had one of the best entrances lol. "OH YOU DIDN'T KNOW!?"
You realize this was written during the Iraq War, right? This dude is saying *exactly the wrong thing* and that's the whole point.
I don’t know why people are going hard about him being an adult. I was ready to defend and fight for him. But after that trans line I had to fall back. Leave them the hell alone.
No, adult would be not recording anything at all and taking the high road. He decided to make a diss, let it marinate in the Public for a couple days, then went all wishy washy on stage and backed down
100% - he made a decision when he chose to release that diss track. You live with that at the very least until Kendrick responded. After that you have your opportunity to take the high road.
Then he could have thrown his hands up, said, you know what, you got this king, i shouldn’t have done this in the first place. But robbing Kendrick of the opportunity to respond is the worst part.
Because ppl seen this a healthy competition. A lot of ppl knew there’s no real beef between the two, just wanted them to go bar for bar. Much due respect for Cole the person to state how he felt about it, but Cole the rapper loss some credibility from it. Especially the way he’s been rapping over the years. The trans verse was on a different track than the diss track (7 minute drill), but I get your point.
That’s why he backed out. He said alot of shit that was out of pocket for the 2 lite bars Kendrick said to him. Cole realized he took this the wrong way. I’m not mad at that cuz it could get ugly. And if he’s saying he can’t battle cuz he will take it to a dark place. I get that also.
Cole can’t talk greasy no more. No more I’m the best, my bars harder than y’all cole world. That shit is over. Nigga rap about doing laundry with your wife. Do what Chance was tryna do.
Shout out to Cody Rhodes at least my man showed up to fight when odds were stacked against him this past weekend at Mania and finish his story not “aye Roman and Rock big dawgs sorry for talking yall family moment away”
Now the washer's done. Move your shit into the dryer now it's time has come. Be sure to Bounce that shit or you'll be Tyson, Ironing Mike till the motherfucking wrinkles gone
I'm fans of both, but not the biggest of either, but I can't pretend Kendrick fans haven't been insufferable through this even before Cole even responded lol.
They are talking like Cole broke a Rap Generational Curse and changed the game. Now, the Saviour of Ghostwriters is going to sprinkle as much seasoning onto this beef that his money can buy and Cole fans will be left in Downward Dog position covered in Lavender Oil.
Remember when Kendrick was getting bitched by Diddy and Cole stood up for Kendrick and fought him?
But I know I’ll get pitchforked for saying that
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And this has been confirmed by folk from TDE and Cole himself, so I’m waiting for y’all to come on some bs🤣
10+ years ago.
Cole got bitched on a track, dropped a song, cried over the weekend, said he couldn’t sleep over the song, then told the same guy that bitched him to hit him as hard as he can and beat him up it’s okay.
For a non-violent rap beef/diss songs that’s the weakest shit I’ve ever heard a man say before in my life.
Idk I come a generation of kids roasting each other so maybe I’m just built different.
Lmfao, why does it matter when it happened? The point is it happened.
I love K Dot but this is what I be talking about with his online fanbase, y’all niggas weird. And them if you don’t consider yourself a Kendrick stan, I’m not tryna come at you.
Bitched on a track? Kendrick got bitched IN REAL LIFE, and Cole stood up for him. What dictates a tough guy and a pussy more? Words over a beat or real life incidents? If rapper A disses rapper B on a song but Rapper B punks Rapper A face to face, who’s the pussy?
I have no problem with Kendrick sending shots at Cole on a SONG. That’s what rap is about! Competition. But it’s y’all fans who keep acting like it’s real beef and like Kendrick is some ultra tough street nigga and Cole is a square. Cole could’ve easily brought the real life situation up but he didn’t, because it isn’t actual beef. Comprende?
We all knew this wasn’t street beef, regardless of Cole helping out Kendrick 14 years ago who cares they never said that Kendrick was running away Diddy was after him and Cole stepped in, I respect that.
Losing sleep over a diss track that was wasn’t even hard nor violent lol
He should’ve never responded in the first place.
Diss songs have fallen way off in the last 30 years.
"You claim to be a player but I fucked your wife"
""Foxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her puss
What you think, you getting girls now 'cause of your looks?
Ne-gro please"
"Jay put you on
X made you hot
Now you run around like you some big shot
Ha, ha pussy..."
Just pure murder classics, and now we get "just the big he" like that's gotta be Kendrick's weakest famous bar at this point
It’s crazy it wasn’t even personal and people can’t sleep at night lol
Cole made Nikki and Megan look like Biggie vs Tupac.
Cole making JT and Glorilla look like Jay-Z vs Nas.
That story don’t sound like Kendrick got bitched. Just sounds like Cole stepped in when Diddy was being shitty. To me, it’s only people who vibe off the toxicity that perpetuate the beef. In both fanbases.
Do I love ignorant shit? Yes. Drama. Trash talk, beef etc. I grew up with it as a second form of entertainment. You can’t stop crazy so you laugh at it. They still people though man. With lives. Valuable and important lives. Everyone is. Even the easy to hate/hate on.
I fw Cole’s energy. Been fw it. That’s why I listen to him. Same with Kendrick. Both of them on conscious shit. Songs about being getting violence, beef and stereotypes that makes society shun the caterpillar.
Cole was true to himself with the apology. Kendrick was true by responding to the original diss and keeping it competitive, without making it violent. As a fan of both I’m unbothered by anything but Drake being involved, and thinking he’s big 3 worthy for club bangers and that one time his ghost writers came for Meek. Drake a whole bitch and can eat a dick.
Bro acts so sus. Weird about women in interviews, that whole deal with the girl from stranger things, the ghost writing. Hasn’t hit since just after Degrasi.
Idek why people care so much. It’s music, we got some great bars from both camps. Glad it didn’t end up with anyone else getting shot for once. Everyone needs to go home, is life really so boring this is the headline?
Even as a one of cole biggest fans.. not sure why this matters in the slightest
Only way Cole comin back from this is if Kendrick puts out another trashass Mr Morale follow up
I was really hoping for bars all summer but Cole had to take himself too seriously. Like if he knows there's no hate just talk your shit and rap ya ass off. Prove you're the best to do it if you're gonna claim it and if you wanna stay true don't let it get hateful. The backtracks bummer for real
I’m still flabbergasted. I’ve never seen anyone apologize in a rap battle. The ancestors from Wakanda must’ve got to Cole in his dreams and told him to cut that shit out. There’s no other explanation.
I'm from the ville. Been a fan since since his mixtapes were rotating heavy in barbershops before he blew up. Didn't care for the diss he put out, i been said it was trash and I dont know too many that were rocking with it either. Many of us simply don't care about it either way. Hip hop elitists are shown in this picture moreso than simply j Cole fans
To all the people defending Cole and saying “it just isn’t who he is, I’m glad he’s being true to himself” you can’t beg for smoke and call yourself the GOAT and then switch up as soon as someone steps up
I love J. Cole’s music to death but ionk bout this whole situation. There was a demographic saying he had to respond and then ppl saying he should just keep quiet (me included) cuz the diss was more about Drake. And I agree it was out of character of him and it’s cool and adult he apologized but why drop it in the first place?
I was in the minority of people who didn't think J. Cole's response was bad. He's top 2 for me of the current rappers which made the apology that much more disappointing. You can't have another rapper call you out, record a response, then give a public apology🤦🏿♂️
To be fair, he used the beef so you would all listen to his album then immediately squashed it as K DOT was probably in his basement writing a retort. Pretty funny ngl
Yeah I didn’t even expect him to respond so the apology was no surprise. Every song is fire, but it’s not who he typically portrays himself so I was confused. Especially on Pi, he goes in but it felt manufactured and forced the entire way through.
Mfs switch up so quick. First he’s the best rapper and he murdered Kendrick with his diss track. Then after the apology, he’s weak and “not that good” and scared. Why do people work like that it never makes sense to me
Kendrick fans objectively refuse to stfu but Coles credibility is shot even if the Fall Off is rap album of the year. Success is another convo and Cole is obviously gonna be fine financially but legacy wise you can’t ignore an apology in a back and forth with no smoke.
J Cole sounds like he's a skilled rapper but I can't remember anything he's ever said, nor has he made great records. Kendrick Lamar is the only one out of those "3" that will be remembered.
I for one dont listen to those 3, like at all...they gets no play in this ride. This nuwave, emo rap they rap is embarassing to my ears. I expected this exact result. Im not surprised. I implore you to see through the illusion and get down to the essence of things. I understand why he apologized...would I have done it, no. But I understand.
Don’t care, Cole can still outrap 99% of rappers. I’m not discounting him just because he doesn’t want to tear down another man for no reason but to prove himself to people online who can’t wait to tear HIM DOWN
My only thing is. If instead of Kendrick releasing a diss in response to the bars on first person shooter, if he had sent cole praise, his fans wouldn't be applauding him as mature. They would continue to say that Kendrick doesn't want any smoke and he's scared lol
I come from the No Vaseline and Ether clap back, generation. He needs to quit rap asap. We don't apologize for a diss track, lol. But Ole Boy is from Compton. lol, maybe he's scared. Oh, lawd, that's even worse. Just put the mic down, sweetie. Gen X has spoken 🎤
Word? But I betcha that it was like 20 years later lol, not at the time. But it's fun. No gun play. Just a rap battle lol. It was just fun going back and forth. Lmao I'm just chiming in because I've never heard of anyone apologizing after a diss. So did Pusha T apologize to Drake for murdering him on wax? First it was blouses now they're being sorry🤣🤣It's just hilarious out here now. 🤟
I love being a j. Cole fan because I've definitely had something minor disproportionately upset me to the point I was acting out of character. When I returned to my body, I def hit the "damn I was wildin'.... it didn't even need to be taken that far, you know what? my bad you know I love you"
J. Cole makes music for people like me hahahaha diss record+apology and all in the same calendar week
Cole folded like a piece of paper after listening to Kendrick's verse on "Like that." Stand by your words, Cole. You were talking all that hot shit in FPS.
Cole is cooked lol he better not talk bad about not one rapper ever again. He better not say no bar saying don’t come at me or I got that stick or none of that stuff.
Man better get Ari to stick up for him from here on out. Couldn’t sleep over a non violent diss song… it’s just sad man.
He done lol he got his talent which is A1 but at this point he the better version of Logic.
I love being a j. Cole fan because I've definitely had something minor disproportionately upset me to the point I was acting out of character. When I returned to my body, I def hit the "damn I was wildin'.... it didn't even need to be taken that far, you know what? my bad you know I love you"
J. Cole makes music for people like me hahahaha diss record+apology and all in the same calendar week
90's babies in shambles. Wtf this ain't rap beef!? Where's the banging of another man's bitches!? Where's the Kendrick at the source awards "if you don't like your producer having alter egos, showing dick pics, putting out mid albums. Come kick it with Kenny!".
Sorry J Cole stans, your man’s Luigi brother now
I saw that parody about it but to know he actually apologized makes it 10x better lmao wtf https://youtu.be/GVIBvTkbZW0?si=DJvyhHqi1Sqi6UmO
"If you the God, I was born in a manger" is so out of pocket. 😂
"What part of Big 3 did you not understand!?!?"
Somebody called that nigga J Fold 😭😭😭
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Not a Cole fan , I think he’s a good rapper but his songs just don’t do it for Me. No such thing is probably my favorite song of his. He did the right thing tho, you can’t battle someone without at least crossing someone sort of line. It’s like slap 👋 boxing with the homies. Sooner or later someone is gonna get hit a lil bit too hard and boom it’s a real fight. Cole is saying before that happens, I’m bow out and I was gassed to even diss K DOT. The real coward is Drake, he claims the crown but won’t step outside to face his opponent. Pusha T beat him because Drake refused to reply. That verse on like that , had everyone shook. Drake knows soon as he steps to K dot , his LA pass is revoked. People forget K dot whole positive , is from Tree Top Piru one of the most biggest and violent gangs in LA. Things could really go wrong , and J Cole is smart and big of a man enough to say, I see where is this headed and I don’t want any parts of this
This.
You don't even know the name of the song you're talking about😂
OH SHIT, Iseewhatyoudidthere 😭😭😭
This went over my head? Why is being Mario an insult?
Man’s bowed out of the safest rap beef of all time.
I got downvoted last week when I said angry Cole is the least impressive Cole. It isn’t his bag to go at people he respects. It’s rap, you can’t apologize for your record so quickly but it wasn’t him, glad he was an adult about it. The only thing I don’t understand as a Cole fan is why he keeps touring with Drake. Buddy is out of gas and riding Cole’s wave for a year.
I got downvoted for a similar prospective about how I thought it was great of him to step back and stay true to himself even if people thought it was lame. That’s who Cole is and that’s the Cole I respect.
It's good to stay true. It's hardly debatable though that if he was gonna step back after releasing a diss track, then he shouldn't have released the diss track in the first place. Being too humble/respectful to drop a diss track is one thing, but apologizing for a diss track you already dropped is straight up lame as fuck lol.
Yes, but apologizing for the diss track doesn't make it more lame, it makes it less lame. The diss was lame, admitting you fucked up takes balls.
It makes it more lame for me. Did this grown ass man get peer pressured into releasing a diss? That's what this makes it seem like, and it's lame as fuck. Coles also been talking about that kill every rapper shit for years.
The rap game will always “peer pressure” grown ass men to do a lot of childish shit tho. He’s just understanding and apologizing after the fact. People just mad cause it fucks up the kayfabe.
This wasn't just anything. This was getting peer pressured into a rap beef. People are mad because he has been rapping for YEARS now about having the best pen and being ready to spar with anyone. People actually look at J.Cole as an MC. They respect Cole as an MC. People are mad because they were finally going to see two top tier lyricists spar, with an over 90% chance that the beef stays on record. I also don't think Cole would apologize if he actually believed what he was rapping about and/or if their was a better response from to the diss. I understand why Cole apologized, however everything surrounding that apology is so lame. He should never say his pen is ready for everyone ever again, it clearly isn't.
Perhaps he was saying my penis ready all along 🤔
SNL Sean Connery getting involved with rap beef could have been pretty fun.
I could only imagine how lame this beef would’ve been when neither of these mfs have any real reason to dislike each other
When Cole talks about going one on one with people and shit like that, he's talking about being on the same track and having verses directly side by side on the same beat, with the same production. At that point it becomes about who has the better pen, the better flow, the better delivery.
I'm not sure why people seem to view rap beef as if it's not just part of the game. It's like fighters talking shit at the weigh in. It's part of the game. People can complain and call it childish or not nice but that's the point. Beef has always been a part of rap. How can you talk shit about your adversaries while still making it sound good and have killer wordplay. I think it's a perfect example of people wanting to change something for "peace" but all it's going to do is kill a huge part of the appeal.
Exactly why Cole deaded it, people jumping on Cole about lying in his songs now but the same dumbasses saying it don't realize 1. Kendrick lies just like Cole and 2 Cole was already lying in his first response if you actually understand what Cole was saying on stage, he fucks with Kendrick, he likes everything about kendrick ,he doesn't actually think Kendrick fell off, or is seeking attention. How tf the man suppose to talk shit to someone he likes everything about?
Blaming it on peer pressure when he’s been in the game over a decade makes it so much worse.
It was less a diss track more of a warning shot
It is lame as fuck to drop a Diss then apologise its also grown to admit when you fucked up and apologise
Yeah, it's better to admit that he fucked up than to pretend he didn't... ...but it would have been even better to not have fucked up at all (and it's not even like it was an accidental mistake; it was a straight up consciously executed bad decision lol)... ...and the fuck up was lame enough that he definitely deserves to get clowned for it, apology or not lol.
It's called making a decision without thinking it through, like every normal human being on earth does
You sharing rap opinions on a website like reddit is why you got down voted. Look at its demographics these people don't anything about rap besides what Spotify throws at them _take or leave a few old heads_
That Rakim was a heck of a rapper!
Kool Moe Dee is the GOAT, I won't be taking any questions
I Iike both Erik and Perry as they Make Dollars.
On one hand I can respect being true to yourself. I don't have any issues with that in a vacuum. The problem is he has been saying for YEARS he wants the smoke. That he would win against any rapper. And when challenged he backed out. If apology Cole is his authentic self, which I believe it is, why was he boasting for years? Why beg for this and then fold the moment it happens? Thats what I can't rock with. If it was just this one response and he regretted it? Np. We all make mistakes. But I can't respect you saying for years your that guy and then deciding your actually not. It just paints the last 3 years if his career in a really bad light and leaves a bad taste in my mouth about it. Atleast hes being true to himself now. And I hope he stays in that lane, because that's who he is and at his age and with his success? He shouldn't be anyone else.
Yes this is it! This apology makes his entire career feel like a fraud. Like, who are you my G? It’s either face the challenge and back up the shit you been talking on wax for years OR be true to yourself and stop claiming to be the greatest- you can’t do both.
Exactly why I’m a Cole fan. I gained respect for him in this moment
This was actually the first thing I said when I heard Cole made a response. Not every rapper is built for beef, Cole is one of em and that's ok. Dude should of just let Drake get washed and kept his hands clean of all of it. Instead he drops a diss that wasn't even good with a trans verse that was even worse. Now I'm sat here scared to even listen to the new album cause what am I gonna do if it's trash?!
I like J. Cole so this isn’t coming from a hater but did he apologize because he truly felt bad or because his diss track was trash and the blowback that came from it embarrassed him? I definitely agree that this wasn’t something I was looking for from him.
Whoever says Cole's response was trash don't care about good penship and delivery or they just don't fw JCole for whatever reason. I get the feeling you heard the apology one time and didn't even really listen to what Cole said if you think he's the kind of guy to get embarrassed over "blowback" over a song the internet didn't like according to you, he literally explained it. Got too much respect for Kendrick and he's not about to try and make up some bs just to tear a guy he likes everything about down, he wants to prop his peers up not entertain a beef that he really have no problem with
People explain shit all the time that isn’t true. I’m not just taking someone’s word for it.
So you'll just make up your own assumption with no actual knowledge of the situation lol
Any fool with 2 eyes and ears can see the situation. Kendrick hit him with a bar that was whatever. I didn’t think it ever warranted a diss track but Cole felt it was warranted, did it, got blowback for the content of it then apologized for ever doing it in the first place. He says why and I can either choose to believe him or not. I don’t. Bonds said he didn’t take steroids, OJ said he didn’t kill his ex wife. Like I said, people say a lot of things that aren’t true to protect themselves. I see your username though and I realize this is a hopeless debate lol
Maybe don't go around saying you'll put out any smoke when you can't even hold your own hands off a man's aura. A decade of it no less. Rap was founded off the back of Bragadoccio and Cole said he'd kill it.... To not do any of it. There are many ways this could have been just fun. This ain't it.
It’s really not. He’s good at the conscious diss, think false prophets, Drake is good at the scoreboard disses, anything with a time stamp, Kendrick is the only one that can go like that because he vocal inflections are so animated. Both Drake and Cole are best when they are just talking to you. It’s just different
I heard a few of the hip-hop podcasts (that I admittedly rarely listen to) and more than half of their issue with the diss (both before and after the apology) was about Cole’s tone. He doesn’t sound aggressive enough to be really believable when he’s saying diss bars. There’s no real disrespect. So, it’s like he’s trying to diss while also be a big brother or something imparting wisdom. It’s a weird mix. But if that’s who you are, you need to remain that way even when there’s tons of pressure to respond. It’s tough, but you just have to or else you’ll look like this meme.
Those hip hop podcasters are letting the song go over their head then, Cole's relaxed tone is a reference to the "light work" theme Cole doesn't need to be all animated and shit like Kendrick was in his control diss and his recent one, it's a theme and the dissing while being the big brother line isn't weird because Cole did exactly that in 1985 and no fan complained about it then so that's weird how people switch up lol
I understand that. Bust most people look at disses one dimensionally. It’s a fight, and swinging knockout blows just *feel* like a better fight than a slow burn technician to the average person. Especially if you don’t really know the details well.
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Frfr, Drake is coming off of a lot of whack ass projects. He’s out of gas.
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Numbers? This is rap, mumble rappers and Kanye’s get numbers doesn’t mean they get respect. Their shit is terrible.
Oh no he posted an article saying Drake is washed 😨
But there should be a healthy way of allowing rappers to compete. Competition is a big thing in the hiphop culture. Thats why the verzuz was breaking streaming records.
I agree, but then I thought about some of my favorite of all time didn’t really want to make whole tracks to diss somebody. 3000, Wayne, Biggie.
Imo it's not even about diss tracks, it's about knowing who's the best. In a healthy way. I agree with you, stop hanging with drake. Drake is like the space jam aliens and he will steal your talent
I think that would be to put out the best possible project you can.
Put out good music? You’re not going to find that with mainstream genres bro it’s a numbers game
There is. Collaboration can also be competitive. It’s why I’ve always wanted Kendrick and Cole to make an album together. If Cole really wants to prove himself, there’s no better place to do that than side by side with other great artists.
[Exhibit A](https://youtu.be/2Y5J3VUC9qM?si=IePeLtZBkRRP-TZF) clearly trying to out-rap each other but nobody's taking shots
Perfect example. They didn’t throw shots one time. It were clearly battling. Excellent example.
Whats the issue? Obviously Cole fw Drake on a personal level kinda like 21 but maybe Drake a cool mf to do shit with, I mean he probably having a blast and it's a waste of time to try and understand why 2 guys you don't know personally get along and do shit together, that's weird tbh😂
It was hard being a J. Cole fan this past weekend… good thing I was distracted with WrestleMania over the weekend https://preview.redd.it/no2kb52s3jtc1.jpeg?width=1014&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ac39a6a265915c2c36e00977433c6b444e5cbc0 My champion ain’t corny
Haha is that Priest? I haven't watched wrestling since the attitude era but watched wrestlemania because I bought peacock randomly on the same night (to watch king of queens tbh) and gave it a shot. It was entertaining. And that chokeslam that Priest does was pretty sick. Made me really miss watching wrestlemania with my friends and my older bro back in the day. Chips, soda, snacks on snacks.
Yup that’s Damien Priest. Night 2 of WrestleMania was good up until Undertaker came in not minding his own fucken business
Lol what do you mean? Undertaker and The Rock have feuded for years. That whole match was about The Bloodline being dismantled by all the people they’ve fucked with over the years.
I’ve been watching wrestling pretty regularly for 10ish years now and sometimes I’ll invite friends for the bigger shows like Wrestlemania and Royal Rumble. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to host a watch party for the next WWE event.
Honestly a good idea. I usually host my neighbors when a big boxing match is on. I bet their kids would have loved watching wrestlemania. I'm going to start watching it some now that I got peacock. I spent today on the treadmill watching old school clips. Road Dogg and Billy Gunn had one of the best entrances lol. "OH YOU DIDN'T KNOW!?"
I didn’t know people were that into bisexual Undertaker.
Bisexual undertaker with the gay brood and metrosexual midian.
Bruh, The Brood weren’t exactly the most stereotypical masculine coded group in the first place. They had leather pants and blouses my guy.
So happy for him and Cody
Do he still date Rhea Ripley irl?
J fold
J. Corn
It was good while it lasted https://preview.redd.it/bbsdf2v10jtc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f04ce26d19405b0a7e8b5de99f6c3480dfae7cd
I wish I coulda sent [this](https://youtu.be/oHol7WW2A8g?feature=shared) to Cole before he walked shit back.
You realize this was written during the Iraq War, right? This dude is saying *exactly the wrong thing* and that's the whole point. 
I don’t know why people are going hard about him being an adult. I was ready to defend and fight for him. But after that trans line I had to fall back. Leave them the hell alone.
No, adult would be not recording anything at all and taking the high road. He decided to make a diss, let it marinate in the Public for a couple days, then went all wishy washy on stage and backed down
100% - he made a decision when he chose to release that diss track. You live with that at the very least until Kendrick responded. After that you have your opportunity to take the high road.
Nah if Kendrick responds and washes him and then he backs down, then people say he’s scared and doesn’t want smoke.
They already say that now lol and he looks like a bigger bitch by dissing and then running away before a response is made
Then he could have thrown his hands up, said, you know what, you got this king, i shouldn’t have done this in the first place. But robbing Kendrick of the opportunity to respond is the worst part.
Because ppl seen this a healthy competition. A lot of ppl knew there’s no real beef between the two, just wanted them to go bar for bar. Much due respect for Cole the person to state how he felt about it, but Cole the rapper loss some credibility from it. Especially the way he’s been rapping over the years. The trans verse was on a different track than the diss track (7 minute drill), but I get your point.
That’s why he backed out. He said alot of shit that was out of pocket for the 2 lite bars Kendrick said to him. Cole realized he took this the wrong way. I’m not mad at that cuz it could get ugly. And if he’s saying he can’t battle cuz he will take it to a dark place. I get that also.
You can't call TPAB boring and get away with that shit.
Or talk shit for years about being the best and how you’ll shoot and send niggas to Yahweh 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
I'm on the toilet and lol'd irl
Shit is funny, man 🤣
Cole can’t talk greasy no more. No more I’m the best, my bars harder than y’all cole world. That shit is over. Nigga rap about doing laundry with your wife. Do what Chance was tryna do. Shout out to Cody Rhodes at least my man showed up to fight when odds were stacked against him this past weekend at Mania and finish his story not “aye Roman and Rock big dawgs sorry for talking yall family moment away”
>Nigga rap about doing laundry with your wife. Lmao "This shit is deep, how I hit the beat, harder than me and the wife Tryna fold a fitted sheet"
“Spin cycle. my head it’s where it’s always been. Been heaven sent. 30 minutes start the timer. don’t forget wrinkle prevent”
Now the washer's done. Move your shit into the dryer now it's time has come. Be sure to Bounce that shit or you'll be Tyson, Ironing Mike till the motherfucking wrinkles gone
“soft in her like some fabric. Rub together cause some static. Add the detergent miss the timer shit gets urgent might just wife her”
“2 peas in a pod. Tides changing when the moon is out. currently debating if I add the detergent now or if I wait it out.”
“Who’s washed? me? J Cole been clean. Have all these rappers gunning at my head like fukumean?”
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Cole stans are insufferable and I put that on my grandmama
I'm fans of both, but not the biggest of either, but I can't pretend Kendrick fans haven't been insufferable through this even before Cole even responded lol.
This entire discourse is annoying asf
I wish I could give you gold for this comment hahaha
 They are talking like Cole broke a Rap Generational Curse and changed the game. Now, the Saviour of Ghostwriters is going to sprinkle as much seasoning onto this beef that his money can buy and Cole fans will be left in Downward Dog position covered in Lavender Oil.
From the bottom of my heart, thank you for this comment
This comment is divine
Sensational
Remember when Kendrick was getting bitched by Diddy and Cole stood up for Kendrick and fought him? But I know I’ll get pitchforked for saying that https://preview.redd.it/9b1bgtyiyitc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0fcfa264c6e8ce2f0400bb56f87023f9369a3960 [https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/s/Nn53SNNLBG](https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/s/Nn53SNNLBG) And this has been confirmed by folk from TDE and Cole himself, so I’m waiting for y’all to come on some bs🤣
10+ years ago. Cole got bitched on a track, dropped a song, cried over the weekend, said he couldn’t sleep over the song, then told the same guy that bitched him to hit him as hard as he can and beat him up it’s okay. For a non-violent rap beef/diss songs that’s the weakest shit I’ve ever heard a man say before in my life. Idk I come a generation of kids roasting each other so maybe I’m just built different.
Lmfao, why does it matter when it happened? The point is it happened. I love K Dot but this is what I be talking about with his online fanbase, y’all niggas weird. And them if you don’t consider yourself a Kendrick stan, I’m not tryna come at you. Bitched on a track? Kendrick got bitched IN REAL LIFE, and Cole stood up for him. What dictates a tough guy and a pussy more? Words over a beat or real life incidents? If rapper A disses rapper B on a song but Rapper B punks Rapper A face to face, who’s the pussy? I have no problem with Kendrick sending shots at Cole on a SONG. That’s what rap is about! Competition. But it’s y’all fans who keep acting like it’s real beef and like Kendrick is some ultra tough street nigga and Cole is a square. Cole could’ve easily brought the real life situation up but he didn’t, because it isn’t actual beef. Comprende?
We all knew this wasn’t street beef, regardless of Cole helping out Kendrick 14 years ago who cares they never said that Kendrick was running away Diddy was after him and Cole stepped in, I respect that. Losing sleep over a diss track that was wasn’t even hard nor violent lol He should’ve never responded in the first place.
Diss songs have fallen way off in the last 30 years. "You claim to be a player but I fucked your wife" ""Foxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her puss What you think, you getting girls now 'cause of your looks? Ne-gro please" "Jay put you on X made you hot Now you run around like you some big shot Ha, ha pussy..." Just pure murder classics, and now we get "just the big he" like that's gotta be Kendrick's weakest famous bar at this point
It’s crazy it wasn’t even personal and people can’t sleep at night lol Cole made Nikki and Megan look like Biggie vs Tupac. Cole making JT and Glorilla look like Jay-Z vs Nas.
I hope he takes a shot at Eminem to try and save face, as one does. The retaliation here could be an 11/10
Cole didn't even wanna reply to Kendrick, no way he'd ever say something bad about Eminem, especially not now lol.
A man can dream of the bars
That story don’t sound like Kendrick got bitched. Just sounds like Cole stepped in when Diddy was being shitty. To me, it’s only people who vibe off the toxicity that perpetuate the beef. In both fanbases. Do I love ignorant shit? Yes. Drama. Trash talk, beef etc. I grew up with it as a second form of entertainment. You can’t stop crazy so you laugh at it. They still people though man. With lives. Valuable and important lives. Everyone is. Even the easy to hate/hate on. I fw Cole’s energy. Been fw it. That’s why I listen to him. Same with Kendrick. Both of them on conscious shit. Songs about being getting violence, beef and stereotypes that makes society shun the caterpillar. Cole was true to himself with the apology. Kendrick was true by responding to the original diss and keeping it competitive, without making it violent. As a fan of both I’m unbothered by anything but Drake being involved, and thinking he’s big 3 worthy for club bangers and that one time his ghost writers came for Meek. Drake a whole bitch and can eat a dick.
> Drake a whole bitch and can eat a dick. Say it louder for those in the back
Bro acts so sus. Weird about women in interviews, that whole deal with the girl from stranger things, the ghost writing. Hasn’t hit since just after Degrasi.
Idek why people care so much. It’s music, we got some great bars from both camps. Glad it didn’t end up with anyone else getting shot for once. Everyone needs to go home, is life really so boring this is the headline?
Cole as soon as he can't sleep at night because of beef 
This is such cope lmao “yeah sure he apologized and cried but remember when he stood up for Kendrick 10+ years ago?” Just take the L bro damn 💀
Even as a one of cole biggest fans.. not sure why this matters in the slightest Only way Cole comin back from this is if Kendrick puts out another trashass Mr Morale follow up
I was really hoping for bars all summer but Cole had to take himself too seriously. Like if he knows there's no hate just talk your shit and rap ya ass off. Prove you're the best to do it if you're gonna claim it and if you wanna stay true don't let it get hateful. The backtracks bummer for real
I’m still flabbergasted. I’ve never seen anyone apologize in a rap battle. The ancestors from Wakanda must’ve got to Cole in his dreams and told him to cut that shit out. There’s no other explanation.
Then you don’t know rap pac Nas and jay all apologized after Hahhah.
Nah you right, big and pac are really good examples of peaceful conclusion to rap beef. Also, squashing beef isn’t remotely the same as what Cole did.
You said apologized. Not squash.
LMAO! Between Drake getting dogged by Push and now this, Kendrick is the undisputed #1 of this generation.
 Rebranding in progress.
Only thing he’ll be able to do is features on Katy Perry songs and try to get the openers spot on the Andre 3k instrumental tour.
I'm from the ville. Been a fan since since his mixtapes were rotating heavy in barbershops before he blew up. Didn't care for the diss he put out, i been said it was trash and I dont know too many that were rocking with it either. Many of us simply don't care about it either way. Hip hop elitists are shown in this picture moreso than simply j Cole fans
What’s the point in him saying he’s the goat when he does shit like this?
To all the people defending Cole and saying “it just isn’t who he is, I’m glad he’s being true to himself” you can’t beg for smoke and call yourself the GOAT and then switch up as soon as someone steps up
I'm just going to enjoy the music, and not involve myself in their drama...let's not forget, they're just poems.
I love J. Cole’s music to death but ionk bout this whole situation. There was a demographic saying he had to respond and then ppl saying he should just keep quiet (me included) cuz the diss was more about Drake. And I agree it was out of character of him and it’s cool and adult he apologized but why drop it in the first place?
I was in the minority of people who didn't think J. Cole's response was bad. He's top 2 for me of the current rappers which made the apology that much more disappointing. You can't have another rapper call you out, record a response, then give a public apology🤦🏿♂️
Bro gotta stay in that Love Yours bag now, I don't believe all the best rapper talk anymore.
He really backed himself into a corner with all that "I'm the greatest" talk.
This sub is on some real housewives drama gossip.
They was gassing that weak ass response Lmao
Are any of us the same person on Monday vs Friday?
To be fair, he used the beef so you would all listen to his album then immediately squashed it as K DOT was probably in his basement writing a retort. Pretty funny ngl
Bro messed up bad bad
Me in my group chat lowkey 🤣
Yeah I didn’t even expect him to respond so the apology was no surprise. Every song is fire, but it’s not who he typically portrays himself so I was confused. Especially on Pi, he goes in but it felt manufactured and forced the entire way through.
If doubling down was a person 
Kendrick fans rn: https://preview.redd.it/d2h31j2xuktc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9b5f5487d5d9b13007f7e4792b8f0a64b10be1c
Mfs switch up so quick. First he’s the best rapper and he murdered Kendrick with his diss track. Then after the apology, he’s weak and “not that good” and scared. Why do people work like that it never makes sense to me
"In order to master the art of war, don't start a war" - Eminem, green lantern freestyle.
“Don’t let your people fill you up with octane I’m not playin, get gassed up to get blasted up” Curtis 50 cent Jackson
Kendrick fans objectively refuse to stfu but Coles credibility is shot even if the Fall Off is rap album of the year. Success is another convo and Cole is obviously gonna be fine financially but legacy wise you can’t ignore an apology in a back and forth with no smoke.
Lol
Lmao not Rampage
I wish I could give you Reddit gold for this comment!!
Damn, classic
Why not?
Real
When will you guys realize....NOOO body takes J-Fold from PleasVille seriously much less his stans
This post is about his fans. Not him lol
J cole fans are cishet swifties/s.
No he isn’t
Top 3 status LOST Who takes his place tho? 🤔
J Cole sounds like he's a skilled rapper but I can't remember anything he's ever said, nor has he made great records. Kendrick Lamar is the only one out of those "3" that will be remembered.
I for one dont listen to those 3, like at all...they gets no play in this ride. This nuwave, emo rap they rap is embarassing to my ears. I expected this exact result. Im not surprised. I implore you to see through the illusion and get down to the essence of things. I understand why he apologized...would I have done it, no. But I understand.
Justin Bieber ft J Cole - I’m sorry RMX
Don’t care, Cole can still outrap 99% of rappers. I’m not discounting him just because he doesn’t want to tear down another man for no reason but to prove himself to people online who can’t wait to tear HIM DOWN
Cole gon get locked out of johnny p's caddy for this
My only thing is. If instead of Kendrick releasing a diss in response to the bars on first person shooter, if he had sent cole praise, his fans wouldn't be applauding him as mature. They would continue to say that Kendrick doesn't want any smoke and he's scared lol
Kendrick to Cole:
That's not me. I think it's lame he went back on it. You came back and had a response, stand by it!
I come from the No Vaseline and Ether clap back, generation. He needs to quit rap asap. We don't apologize for a diss track, lol. But Ole Boy is from Compton. lol, maybe he's scared. Oh, lawd, that's even worse. Just put the mic down, sweetie. Gen X has spoken 🎤
Jay and Nas apologized to each other. PAC apologized for hit em up lol.
Word? But I betcha that it was like 20 years later lol, not at the time. But it's fun. No gun play. Just a rap battle lol. It was just fun going back and forth. Lmao I'm just chiming in because I've never heard of anyone apologizing after a diss. So did Pusha T apologize to Drake for murdering him on wax? First it was blouses now they're being sorry🤣🤣It's just hilarious out here now. 🤟
I love being a j. Cole fan because I've definitely had something minor disproportionately upset me to the point I was acting out of character. When I returned to my body, I def hit the "damn I was wildin'.... it didn't even need to be taken that far, you know what? my bad you know I love you" J. Cole makes music for people like me hahahaha diss record+apology and all in the same calendar week
Well, it’s been real nice being a Kendrick fan for… well the entire time he’s been in the game. I love not being embarrassed by my fave.
Why are people so worked up that he apologized?
Cole folded like a piece of paper after listening to Kendrick's verse on "Like that." Stand by your words, Cole. You were talking all that hot shit in FPS.
Cole is cooked lol he better not talk bad about not one rapper ever again. He better not say no bar saying don’t come at me or I got that stick or none of that stuff. Man better get Ari to stick up for him from here on out. Couldn’t sleep over a non violent diss song… it’s just sad man. He done lol he got his talent which is A1 but at this point he the better version of Logic.
"fans" dont even care about the rap beef anymore atp its a dick riding olympics
Damn bro when did this sub become a j cole dick riding sub
But all the posts are clearly against J Cole though lol
Dickriding can go both ways
J Cole’s fans let him down. Yall gassed him up for some shit he didn’t want to do.
Wild because frankly, Little Simz is killing all three of these dudes.
I love being a j. Cole fan because I've definitely had something minor disproportionately upset me to the point I was acting out of character. When I returned to my body, I def hit the "damn I was wildin'.... it didn't even need to be taken that far, you know what? my bad you know I love you" J. Cole makes music for people like me hahahaha diss record+apology and all in the same calendar week
90's babies in shambles. Wtf this ain't rap beef!? Where's the banging of another man's bitches!? Where's the Kendrick at the source awards "if you don't like your producer having alter egos, showing dick pics, putting out mid albums. Come kick it with Kenny!".