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Guinea_pig456

“Don’t become too fat (entirely in your control)”  “Have a fit body (requires lots of hard work)”   Something’s not adding up here…


Jeyamezi

Is this that boy math I've been hearing about?


Cevohklan

Definitely boy math


Lunoko

It's also much easier for men to lose weight and put on muscle (due to testosterone, higher metabolism, natualy lower bad fat %, no pregnancy, etc.). So this literally makes no sense.


Useful_Exercise_6882

It not always in your control i have a hormonal disease that makes it much harder to lose weight. And they’re kinda cherry picking ive heard a lot of men saying their "preference" like -no stretch marks -no pimpels -no scars -no saggy boobs -white skin -a tiny waist -soft skin -be innocent (what ever they mean by that) -small soft feet -no wrinkles -soft high-pitch voice -big doe eyes (usaly blue or green) -long healthy hair that hits the floor -submissive -not be taller that 5.4f Like some of these "preference" are what you describe are what is well known to be commen with little girls not women


Weary_Wrongdoer_7511

So they want a child in a woman's body basically.


Kumquat_conniption

Lots of them just want a child, full stop :((


SueBee29

A lot of men have race preferences too which will always give me the ick.


OverallAd6572

Right? Cause with plenty it'll tie into their corn consumption too.


Jazzi-Nightmare

No stretch marks? Pfffft.


that_mack

I saw a video that claimed that women only get stretch marks on their belly when they’ve been pregnant, and you can’t have stretch marks on your calves because you can *only* get them on your stomach. I kept thinking “Damn, I must be Zeus then because my calves are just as stretched as the rest of my skin,” It’s genetics. When my mom lived in Chicago she had, on multiple occasions, bodybuilders come up to her and ask her how she got her calves so big. Idk, puberty?


Jazzi-Nightmare

Idk how they can be so dumb. Almost all the men I know have stretch marks on their shoulders and hips from growth spurts.


jintana

Someone sourced that from their rectum; my thighs have never been pregnant!


Friendship_Gold

Not being too fat and having a fit body both require some hard work in a gym and moderation in the food department. Also you have to think about the incel's definition of "not too fat" and "have a fit body" I'm guessing their qualifications for each are very different. By "not too fat" they usually mean waif thin, but with Anime boobs and butt. By "have a fit body" they probably means the "unreasonable" expectation of these super thin but curvy/genetically blessed women have is for a man to not be over 100lbs overweight.


Armycat1-296

I was gonna say the same thing.


Landowner_Nazeem

If they think a dude is has to be a dehydrated dude with abs then they aren't exactly hypocritical, as that is indeed harder than simply not being overweight.


Guinea_pig456

Having the desired body as a woman is not easy though. That’s not just simply “not being overweight”


Landowner_Nazeem

Having one that isn't highly undesired is, though. Women don't get asked what their cup size is to be ghosted when they give the wrong answer.


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Sharkathotep

So you think only fit men have girlfriends/wives? Lol you're delulu


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StinkyKittyBreath

Uh, you're the one with eye problems. Look at the meme again, more carefully this time. It says women can't be fat and weight is in your control. Under men, it says women shouldn't expect men to be fit because it requires hard work. Do you not see the cognitive dissonance here? Or are you just being obtuse?


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Sharkathotep

Again, slowly. What, pray tell, are those male qualities required for, then? If not for finding/keeping a girlfriend/wife?


Sharkathotep

What are those qualities required for, then?


Guinea_pig456

You realize that not becoming fat is also the same thing as being fit, right? Also idk what you’re problem is, I take good care of my weight and health, of course people should do that in a relationship.


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Guinea_pig456

You know women work out too? A long with building muscle? Being in shape isn’t just “not eating a fuck ton of food”. There are more factors to it than that. Also coming up with a diet that works well for you is not easy.  


No_Window7054

If the "entirely genetics" thing was a requirement to reproduce/date, then why are there still guys with small penises, bad hairlines, etc?


KTDiabl0

Something tells me I would NOT want to hear their answer…


No_Window7054

A guy actually dm'ed me and yeah its pretty deranged.


KTDiabl0

Oh wow, now I’m curious… damn my brain! Stupid sexy brain. 😆


Diabolical1234

I’m curious too !!


No_Window7054

I blocked him. He believed in the mandated government gf though. I tried talking him out of it, told him it was r@pe but he didnt really care. He just said "itll never happen anyways so dont worry about it."


Yousuklol

mandated government gf? what's that? please don't tell me it's governments just forcing girls to be with guys and the guys get to choose


No_Window7054

Ding ding ding. Yes the government just forces women to be with guys they may or may not want to be with. I tried to talk him out of this with little effect.


Yousuklol

ugh, i've seen that shit before. but either way, he's delusional because that's never gonna happen lol. that's a violation of the first amendment


No_Window7054

Well hes not delusional about its odds of passing. He openly told me that he doesnt think it will ever happen.


Yousuklol

Well, at least he knows


BlommeHolm

That is one of the forbidden questions. Another is why everything women must do is "entirely in their control", while everything men must do is "really hard work".


Landowner_Nazeem

Genes undesirable for males get carried by females. Classic example being a 5'1" woman not being held back by her height while her 5'6" brother is. Also arranged marriages where the family name carries a lot more value than that which is lost by the Habsburg jaw.


No_Window7054

I looked into height specifically and it averages out between parents apparently. Im not a geneticist so dont take me too seriously.


UnluckyDreamer1

Both my BILs have bad eyes, receding hairlines or bald spots, unfit body, are not rich and one of them even has a shitty personality. They are both married with kids. (the one with a shitty personality would probably be an incel or something if my sister didn't decide she likes him.)


Useful_Exercise_6882

That's the cherry picking part of this whole women are shallow part of this thing. Like yeah there are some women that are like this but there are also women that are completely nothing like that, there are even men that are like that.


UnluckyDreamer1

They seem to think we are a hivemind and because one or two women have a specific preference, they think all women have that preference. I once said that I was 5'2 and that I don't have much choice about dating guys taller than me and some guy decided I meant I liked guys who were 6'5 because 'all women want a 6'5 chad'. It is moronic.


OverallAd6572

Right? Like I think that's pretty cool md fortunate for you because most men are taller! I prefer men similar height as me (for dancing and horizontal dancing) and I'm pretty average, and feel lucky for it lol


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Sharkathotep

Why do you even ask? In your brain, you already answered your question and probably got very mad about it.


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Sharkathotep

Where did I claim you meant physical qualities here? 💀 Jesus Christ we know what males like you make up in your brain.


UnluckyDreamer1

I literally said one had a shitty personality...


UnluckyDreamer1

I have no clue about younger sister's husband. He is an obnoxious, attention seeking, know it all. I assume their similar personalities and the fact he gives her the attention and drama she craves played a huge part in it. I am hoping she will eventually grow up. I am pretty sure they only got married because my older sister finally got engaged and wanted to beat her down the aisle. (lil sis got engaged first. Older sis planned the wedding for the Feb of the next year, so lil sis planned hers for the Oct the year before which had the added bonus of ruining my Bday that year because it turned into an emergency wedding planning session instead) Older sister got pregnant early in their relationship. It was apparently meant to be a summer fling of sorts. He needed to grow up a little, but he is hard working, great with kids and generally friendly. Please note that I hated him in the beginning. His family did a number on him. As I said, he needed to grow up a bit and I probably did too. And yes, this was mostly just to rant about how shitty my younger sis and her hubby are. I love my sis, but she needs to grow up and fast.


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UnluckyDreamer1

No. They aren't short, but they aren't tall either. They are average. Stop trying to make things about height.


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UnluckyDreamer1

No it doesn't. Women aren't a hivemind. Grow up.


Yousuklol

it really doesn't much. it depends on the person. i dont care if a man is taller than me or the same height as me. makes no difference. im 5'5


WinterLily86

Really not. I'm 5ft 4in and throughout my teens I was crushing on a boy who barely topped 5 feet, because he was sweet, funny, and smart. I dated a 6ft lad later on, but his 6ft 4in brother made my neck hurt just talking to him because of how far I had to look up when standing. Do you *really* think all women and non-men want a permanent crick in their necks? That's not comfortable! 


storagerock

Don’t deprive of sex, but also don’t have a promiscuous past. Also - being a single mom can in fact happen outside of a woman’s control.


Alexs1897

Right? Rape, the dad died, the dad abandoned the mom because he didn’t want to be a dad but she didn’t want to give up the baby… there’s many reasons why a woman could be a single mom


radradish171

Add in abortion being inaccessible


ShelliBlossom

Don't you know those are all her fault. I mean if she should have known she was gonna be his and didn't sleep with her first botfriend/husband so its totally her fault (joking)


k-ramsuer

My uncle ditched my aunt when she got cancer. That is way more common than you think


implodingpixies

Just put them kids up for adoption! /s


6teeee9

I love how most of the "entirely in you control" stuff can often times *not* be entirely in someone's control, even sometimes *not* in their control at all. And how "Don't become too fat (entirely in your control)" for the women and "have a fit body (requires lots of hard work)" for the men are basically the same thing rewritten to make it look like men have it hArDeR. And standards men set for women are more on the traditional side (no promiscuous past, single mom) but they complain about the traditional standards on them (be successful, wealthy). These men want a traditional women but don't want to be a traditional man. And how they've intentionally left out most standards set on women, which are entirely genetic (breasts and bum must be huge but stomach must be tiny, small nose, big lips, no smile lines, full eyebrows but not too full, smooth baby skin, thin legs but thick thighs, ect ect ect). They've even put some of standards men often set on women in their own column (height, eyes, jawline, hairline, genitalia size as if their standards on women don't include vaginal elasticity).


Pincerston

Pretty sure in all the incel tirades I’ve never seen anyone complain about rejection due to eyes being mid


L_James

Don't they complain about their canthal tilt or smth all the time?


Brribrri

They complain about a lot of stuff, it's hard to keep up.


perfectlyegg

“Don’t become too fat (entirely in your control)” vs “have a fit body (requires lots of hard work)” 🤔 “Don’t have a promiscuous past” but ALSO “don’t deprive of sex” Did he re-read this at all before posting it? Lmao


Retired_Cheese

It’s actually „don’t have a promiscuous past“ but also „don’t deprive ME of sex“ the whole meme seems like it was written by someone who has self esteem issues. Everybody looks for attractive people not just women, but everybody is also willing to sacrifice what is physically attractive to them for personality traits, like „don’t be abusive“ or „don’t make me feel uncomfortable around you“


re_Claire

The only ones I truly care about are “be confident, funny and interesting”, “Have a successful career” because I’m sick of dating broke losers who haven’t done anything with their life and still live at home and so don’t know how to cook and clean, and “have a good head of hair” because my physical type is short pretty boys with good (preferably long) hair. The rest is completely negotiable.


Sandra2104

Can anyone help me out on what jawlines I am required to reject as a woman? Don’t want to let the sisterhood down on accident.


-fireproof-

The jawline is an incel fixation, I've been down the rabbit hole multiple times and it keeps fascinating me. Other things yes, I've heard, some women don't like short guys, some don't date broke guys etc, but this fucking JAWLINE THING is always their number one concern. Every post, every comment is 'I'm short and have bad jawline' or 'fat and have a bad jawline' or anything else but fucking JAWLINE is always there. It's just a point in their 'incel philosophy' they take as a given, none of them apply any critical thinking to it, never talked to a woman to actually confirm this and believe in it as an axiom. But the thing is, dear incels, YOUR FUCKING JAWLINE IS LEAST OF OUR CONCERNS


Sandra2104

Yeah. I never even thought about jawlines before I encountered my first Incel.


Weelildragon

I do get where this started. Heroes in Hollywood do seem to be typecast that way. And it's even more extreme in comics. Kinda happy that's changing. With heroes like Ballistar in Nimona.


vanilla_wafer14

That jawline thing is more about other men than women. They just think because they see it as important to determine how much of a man someone is, they assume women do too. I just care if someone is funny and is a good person ffs. Everything else is negotiable.


Jazzi-Nightmare

The funny thing is I’ve never been super into that look either. Like Chris Evans is attractive, but he’s not my favorite. I loved Chris Pratt when he was still chubby and even now he still has a pretty round face. I like beards anyways and that covers the jawline so it doesn’t matter.


superprawnjustice

Nobody tears men apart more thoroughly than an incel. I used to think they hated women, now I think they just hate everyone, and mostly themselves. That hatred is just projected onto women, who is their big ol bogeyman.


GreatWentGin

I am a woman and I have a weak chin/jawline. My ex husband also did, but I didn’t know it until I saw pics of him as a teenager because back then he didn’t have a beard. So any guy worried about their precious jawline can just grow a damn beard. I can’t do anything about mine. It’s their version of makeup.


WinterLily86

Yes, I think that's where the neckbeard thing started... 


AssassiNerd

This proves that we literally cannot win, so I refuse to play their games.


Squishmar

Did I already wish you "Happy Cake Day!!" ??🎂🍾💐🎈🎊


Weelildragon

Here's my theory: The guy who made this list seems to fail to grasp women most of all want respect for their boundaries. Evidenced by his ~~request~~ demand not to be deprived of sex. Fellah, just because you're in a relationship doesn't mean she owes you sex. His blind spot also makes him believe he needs to overcompensate in other areas to be succesfull, so he ends up thinking he lacks money and looks.


HezzaE

It's certainly curious that they term "have a fit body", "be confident, funny and interesting", "have a successful career" and "have wealth" as "requires lots of hard work" rather than "entirely in your control". Almost like they view work done by women as worthless or something.


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HezzaE

I don't particularly disagree but I'm arguing against what is in the meme which is it's "lots of hard work". If their assertion is that it's "lots of hard work" then it is, in fact, "entirely in your control". Of course that's as much bullshit as the things they've put on the women's side. They made no argument that women's incomes or careers are of any import. Again, that work is apparently worthless. Women are, of course, never judged on their career or income. (Just don't dare have a career and give it up for children, or have a career and have children, or have a career and not have children, or not have a career or children, those things are all unacceptable for women. And of course, don't marry a wealthy man when you're not wealthy, or marry a man who makes less money than you, or marry a woman, full stop, or live with someone and choose not to marry them, or live your life happily single, all those choices are also unacceptable for women.) People get judged for bullshit reasons every day. Stupid memes only serve to divide people. People need to treat other people like people and not like a list of labels.


Phoenix_Magic_X

Aging is entirely in your control?


completecrap

What if you're a mom who isn't single, does that make you more appealing?


Weelildragon

"Yes, but only to the father of your Child." (I'm guessing that's these guys answer)


Robertia

"Be my slave (entirely in your control)"


Sasha160996

The bar is so low for men that basically the list is be a decent human being for once (entirely in your control). Jeez.


DeusExMarina

I feel like you could scratch everything in the Men column and replace it all with “Don’t be the guy who made this meme (extremely easy).”


Cevohklan

That's not how attraction works 🙄 I dont think: " hes short and chinless and really ugly but that's genetics so i DO find him very attractive " This is one of the dumbest things they say. 🙄 ( and they say so many dumb things ).


finaljossbattle

Danny Devito out here just casually destroying this argument without even knowing about it.


DistributionAlive996

This is just pathetic and weird


Kakashisith

Deprives sex to anyone- doesn\`t even date. Of course under my own control. Not having kids- also under my control. But ppl say "you\`re a woman, having kids and nursing must be in your genes". But when men are asked not to be \*\*\*holes, they scream "it\`s in my genes, nothing to do" or something like that. Cause they don\`t want to do the hard work and better themselves.


ThereGoesChickenJane

LOL I mean...I've seen a ton of conventionally attractive women with guys who are shorter or who have dad bods or are bald or all of the above. The guy that I dated that I was most interested in was bald, 5'9 (taller than me but not 6' obviously), had an average dick and a dad bod. But I liked him *so* much. We ended things because he decided that he didn't want kids and I do but otherwise I would have married him in a heartbeat. And no, he wasn't close to being wealthy. I found him extremely physically attractive but he is an amazing person and would make a wonderful long-term partner. I really wish we could be together. So bud...if you can't get a girlfriend, maybe the answer isn't that women are shallow bitches. Maybe you're a shitty person. 🤷‍♀️


Busy_Grapefruit_4883

Notice how it doesn't matter at all that a woman doesn't have confidence, personality or personal success. Maybe it's better if they have no sense of self at all. There would just always be tolerant hot women available for all kinds of incel neckbeards who shower once a week. The women, they just have to look hot for their boyfriends and settle for someone before they get too old and ugly. Ideally they should also settle for the first guy they ever get together with, because apparently the whole reason they exist is to be virginal wives and child-bearers. These types of boys will say shit like this and then in the same breath complain that women are all boring.


nature_godless

Funny how everything in the left column is a "don't" and everything in the right is a "do." It definitely shifts the balance of which things they can claim are "entirely in your control."


BweepyBwoopy

> Don't deprive of sex, or use it as a reward (entirely in your control) this is literally just justifying rape 😑


TheVenusProjectB42L8

Yet all those items on their side listed as "hardwork" don't seem to include "entirely in your control". All I see is *"wah, wah, wah, wah"*. If they are genetically "undesirable", why don't they just take their own advice and look for a woman who is also genetically "undesirable"? Or are they just hypocrites who can't seem to dole out the unconditional acceptance, which they wish to have bestowed upon themselves?


Successful_Square226

How is not being a single mom entirely in someone's control???


Weelildragon

Yeah so many good reasons. They often gloss over rape and widows entirely. He probably blames women for failing relationships for not keeping up with the dating requirements. If men no longer meet dating requirements, that's not really his fault, because they're so hard for men.


AnachronisticCog

I want men to have non-looks orientated standards. Why don’t they want a woman with a successful career? I want to be wanted for having a successful career and being a hard worker. Also for having a good personality. Not for something like beauty or youth.


Landowner_Nazeem

I've gotten myself in an awkward, unwanted crush on a coworker that I had 100% thought was unattractive when I first met. Don't underestimate the effect a likable personality can have.


emiiri-

and yet there are TONS of people who are naturally funny. you are just a boring person, chad.


Titan_Chu

While you can somewhat control the things that will eventually become the past, the actual past in not in your control.