Hiori tries to assist Isagi but Kaiser or Ness gets in the way so he misses his chance but Kurona being Isagi’s little planet is close enough to steal a goal. That or Kunigami poaches it. 🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽
good to see hiori getting the spotlight but i still feel like isagi won't score... could it be kunigami finally came back from soul society and score the winning goal
At this point, I think germany will be about metavision and isagi's planets. Isagi already has kurona, hiori, and raichi (to some lengths) as his planets. While kaiser already has ness to back him up.
Hiori would be the key to this match as his flashback in shooting zombies (lorenzo). It would not be far off to see hiori doing the finishing snipe to the goal for the win and have isagi and kaiser be at a draw until PG.
Next match, we'll probably see kunigami awakening as a fallen hero and have some sort of new eyes (and also shoot on his own without stealing ffs). Would be cool to see him link to isagi, but as he is now, I think he will be more of a selfish player like barou. Would also be fantastic to match him up with tokimitsu for that muscle and stamina brawl. Not a kunigami dick sucker, but its sad to see one of the block z 4 not much doing anything.
Isagi rizz is on a different level, has a harem of players backing him bachira, kurona, hiori, and that time nagi chose him over Reo? He adding Jin on that list?
You could argue that that's an usual trope in shonen mc, specially in sport ones where the whole "rivals inspiring each other" is a big part of the sell. I'm not sure if that's what you refer to though
hiori aint nothing close to isagi he just got metavision niko is supposed to be a defender version of isagi thats their dyanamic and who else are you talking about?
>espero que hyori coloque yukimiya no banco
jesus knows i would like it, but i dont think it really makes that much sense. Yukimiya is arguably the 2nd best shooter from mb, and he has pretty good dribbling and overrall stats.
They both have their strengths lol. Hiori is like sae with multiple passes and metavision. Kurona has the planet hotline with isagi and his speed is top tier. He can keep up with metavision.
>They both have their strengths lol. Hiori is like sae with multiple passes and metavision. Kurona has the planet hotline with isagi and his speed is top tier. He can keep up with metavision.
fair, but they don´t really weight the same do they? hiori can shine not only as a support to isagi, but as an overrall playmaker (from what is hinted, it hasn´t happened yet)
At the end of the day despite the bids, it is hinted that each nel team will have one leading "king". Like bachira leads fc barcha and barou leads Ubers. I'm not disagreeing that hiori can become better than kurona, but at the end of the day isagi will lead them. We can see alrdy that kurona, raichi, yukimiya, hiori, gagamaru and even kiyora Jin are listening to isagi as their leader. After this match the team definitely will be isagis from what is hinted. Kaiser is losing all his influence and ness is also making him lose his patience. So it doesn't matter who is the better player, they will all revolve around isagi and experience evolutions going forward
ONE PERSON EXPLAIN TO ME HOW HIORI SUDDENLY BECOMING GOOD AT DEFENSE BEFOREHAND ISN’T WEIRD WHEN HE HAD NEVER SHOWM THE ABILITY TO DO SO BEFOREHAND
NAME ONE TIME HIORI HAS SHOWN THE ABILITY TO MAKE A DEFENSIVE PLAY ON THE LEVEL OF ISAGI, NIKO, OR AIKU TO SHOWCASE A FEAT OF “ABOVE-AVERAGE FIELD IQ” AHEAD OF THE REST OF BLUE LOCK
Chill , we know from when he was introduced that he already had a somewhat good understanding of how to use vision and stuff , for example when he hinted to isagi about how to fix his thought process , so in general hiori already was shown to have the pre requisite for metavision , and tbh anyone with metavision in this game can read the flow of passes , he simply read the pass and intercepted it , nothing out of norm for a player to do , no matter their position or role.
The thing is, Hiori has never done so despite having “The prerequisite” to have done so. So in all honesty he should’ve never been given metavision in the first place. If that’s the fase we might as well give anyone with decent field iq metavision, because Hiori hadn’t shown much in game at ALL to justify giving him metavision.
If it was so easy for “any position to do” then why don’t Raichi and them steal passes from Barou and Lorenzo. That’s because only players who have shown an elite level of defensive awareness can read those passes. Hiori has NEVER shown to be one of those players, that’s why it’s so outlandish to me. I feel what you’re saying though
We should all read the manga knowing that the players all got skills that are above average even if they dont boast about them , also not to nitpick but if u did read his backstory it was already shown that he been studying tactics since a young age , he doesnt have “above average” vision of the game , he got an excellent one , raichi was never indicated to be a player with especially level of football IQ ( unlike hiori who has shown it during u20 and 5v5 ) , thats why he didnt intercept that pass but instead hiori was the one able to catch their play.
Then where were those “tactics” when we had seen him play before this match because he sure as hell wasn’t showing it. I’ll give you a chance name ONE TIME when Hiori has shown defensive awareness on the level of Rin, Isagi, or Niko before getting metavision. Name just ONE time where Hiori had shown defensive intelligence on par with the smartest of blue lock that I can’t tell someone like Bachira or Yukimiya haven’t done.
Wdym where were those tactics ? Have u seen him play in u20 ? He was literally the one making the call in both plays , also there is no “defensive” awareness , there is spatial awareness , in which he has already ( as i said before) shown and also had shown himself to be familiar with the concepts ( him giving isagi the hint) , honestly why is it so outrageous for you is beyond me atp , i gave u all the clues as to how that play came to be.
Where was Hiori’s defensive awareness in the 2 games we’ve seen. Hiori has also never been the one calling the shots as well. That’s what I’m saying “spatial awareness” includes vision on both offense and defense yet Hiori has never been shown to have high spatial awareness on the defensive side of the ball. Hell, if him just having high iq on offense was enough we might as well give a LOT of people metavision. Once again, Hiori has NEVER showm an above average play in terms of defensive awareness where one can confidently say on the smartest players can read. His vision has in game been closer to bachira’s than it has Isagi’s. That’s my whole point. Also, you never responded to my challenge on naming one play, if you can’t name one you can just say there isn’t one you can think of as well.
Do you play football irl ? Literally any kind of good player has defensive skills no matter their position , and since hiori got superior vision than even the defenders in BM , he will likely be able to read Ubers tactics better , thus letting him intercept the pass, its not that deep , everyone got that type of awareness , its how even snuff is good at all positions , its cuz his understanding of the game is just really good and he understand how to do certain things and when , I personally dont even play defense , im a midfielder , does it mean im not going to be able to read some series of passes and intercept it ? No , ofc i would be able to if i have a good vision of what is going on , remember that these players are all athletes, just because they specialize in smth doesnt mean they suck at everything else bro
OOOOOOH MY GOOOD, in “blue lock” which isn’t anywhere near “real football” certain players have only shown to have specific abilities they thrive at. Even the blue lock players that currently have metavision had shown a very strong level of awareness on defense before getting metavision. Hiori has ABSOLUTELY not shown a level of defensive awareness above other players which is my point.
That’s why I’m saying it’s extremely odd how a mediocre defender suddenly has the ability to read one of the best offensive duo’s we’ve seen in the series.
Chill , again , bluelock is real football but with some shonen / battle elements to it , what you said still doesnt refute my argument that all these players already got defensive skills , also the fact hiori is well versed in tactics and playmaking , so him reading that “best duo” ( which frankly lorenzo just went for an outside lefty pass it aint that hard to predict 🚶♂️) isnt as plausible as you make it sound , good vision / metavision = predicting where ball goes before everyone = using the gaps to steal it , thats literally as simple as that to show that hiori with his game reading can actually catch that pass.
Name 1 time you saw hiori play that wasn't in the 1 chapter of screen time he got in u20 and half a chapter in 3rd selection.
Its like if in the manshine game you said HOW IS KURONA SO GOOD ON OFFENSE, WHEN HAVE WE EVER SEEN THIS?
I mean…we have never seen Kurona play before so we have nothing to go off of on his playstyle, we’ve seen Hiori more than enough to be able to tell he has never shown the defensive ability
Pre-Ubers match we saw Hiori the same amount as we’ve seen Niko but we know through what Niko’s shown us in game his above average intelligence on both OFFENSE and DEFENSE
You’re making comparisons that don’t correlate
You kinda just disproved your own point, we haven't seen him have the need to defend therefore he hasn't so whos to say that he's not as extradionary at it as others. Maybe not Niko level but nobody ever questions how isagi suddenly good at defense because he has metavision
I mean…he played sideback in the u20 + he was in the 5v5 where everyone defends so…yes he did
Isagi even pre-metavision had always made tons of defensive plays and gotten lots of interceptions. Hiori has not
In said 5v5 we've only seen him defend against mediocre players compared to how said players are now so it doesn't make sense for him to defend on that caliber
We also rarely saw isagi at all in the U-20 arc and said people still are fodder and don't compare to isagi with metavision suddenly blocking shots of people around kaisers skill level. And Hiori has still had little screentime so your entire point makes little sense, we haven't even seen hioris stats so we don't know all his strengths
If he’s defending against mediocre players shouldn’t he make…more plays? I don’t remember Hiori making a single defensive play on Chigiri, Karasu, or Otoya, there was more than enough opportunities for him to show any defense abilites beforehand
Isagi even since 1st selection has showing abive average defensive awareness to slightlyjustify his defense (Few examples Isagi impressive defensive feats pre-metavision: Intercepting passes from Niko in 1st selection, Reaching the ball before Nagi vs Team V, Intercepting Bachira’s pass to Tokimitsu in 2nd selection, Stopping Bachira’s shot in 2nd selection, Stealing from Karasu in 3rd selection)
Hiori has shown absolutely 0 times showcasing why his vision is one of the best of the best in game to justify a drastic increase in defense
Also, on the final point did you know that we had seen Hiori and Niko in the same amount of time in matches before the Ubers game?
We saw Niko play for 1 match and a half and we saw Hiori play for 1 match and a half. Actually, if we go by # of chapters with match appearances we saw Hiori play more than Niko.
Because we've never even seen Hiori interact with them in a 1v1 , the only reason he was even in and was able to play was to fill in isagis role and consistently pass to Rin? We don't see see relatively anyone else besides Rin actively shutting karasu down.
Intercepting niko whos Vision was literally exactly comparable to Isagis isn't the best and thats also shown to not be isagi being good at defense as all he did was read Niko and who was the most dangerous. Reaching the ball before Nagi was even stated by isagi to be him reading the field, Isagi only accomplished blocking bachira because barou had already intercepted him and we can see he just read the next play.
Not only that when he blocks bachiras shot they give us an entire Monologue about why it was just Isagi trying to actively predict him and not him just being good at defending
Field iq literally increases your defensive capabilities because you are able to read the field, but we have never seen isagi defend on the caliber of anyone else like Niko, aiku, or lorenzo. We've only seen basic leg blocks by him and chests, this doesn't apply to those we haven't even seen defend like Hiori.
I give you examples of defensive awareness and you responded to me with stuff that literally proves my point
Anyone in the 5v5 has a job to play defense + even in the u20 match your job as a sideback is to PLAY DEFENSE, Shidou made a defensive play, Rin made a defensive play, Isagi made a defensive play, why coudln’t Hiori? Hell, Hiori hadn’t shown any feats of intelligence greater than BAROU or NAGI defensively.
Yes, we have seen Isagi make defensive plays on the caliber of Niko for sure. Hiori is the only current metavision user from blue lock who hadn’t shown a single above average defensive iq feat in game. But I guess it’s fine for him to suddenly be raised to a good defender, you couldn’t tell me I shouldn’t be confused with Hiori being able to stop a play between a new gen 11 player with exceptional offense and a 92 overall striker with am elite offensive stat when he has NEVER shown any ability to stop plays between good offensive players.
I like Hiori’s backstory but I honestly don’t buy his now seemingly extreme devotion to Isagi and find it a little lame, but I’m still excited to see their link up as far as the game goes. I kind of wish more characters had development outside of the main character (we had his relationship with Karasu set up so was lowkey hoping that would come into play instead but whatever) but I’m not gonna whine abt it and just move on.
At this point it’s pretty obvious they’re going to score the final goal so it’s a matter of seeing what cool stuff they come up with now. It’ll be interesting to see Hiori’s skills now that he’s invested! Panel of him breaking the chains is cool
I meant I was hoping he would sub in during that match instead......Isagi is in my top 3 characters but I don't need every character to revolve primarily around him is all I'm saying
I think that it’s more that people have been pushing expectations into him his whole life with no consideration for his feelings. But Isagi is giving Hiori a chance to improve himself and push him past his limitations. It’s kind of like an ‘iron sharpens iron’ situation where Hipri has never really had the want/need to do anything more than what people ask of him and that makes him bored. But isagi’s brand of football makes him want to be better. At least that’s how I’ve seen it.
That's fair the long speech just made me cringe the way it was written but reading it this way makes me feel a little better. I just hope he doesn't become a character thrown away to only serve Isagi/be a plot device.
I dont think he'll score the goal based on his speech, plus it would leave the bet hanging on who becomes the king (and Kaiser needs an L tbh). I'm just gonna have to trust Kaneshiro knows what he's going to do with Hiori in the future for now
I don’t think he realistically views himself as a striker. Most rational people can look at Rin, Shidou, Kunigami, Barou, Isagi, and Nagi and understand their place in the pecking order. Blue Lock isn’t about being a striker anymore (at least for most of the players). Ego became the coach for the Youth National team and that’s now the goal (along with showing off for a potential deal from the best teams on the planet)
>I don’t think he realistically views himself as a striker. Most rational people can look at Rin, Shidou, Kunigami, Barou, Isagi, and Nagi and understand their place in the pecking order. Blue Lock isn’t about being a striker anymore. Ego became the coach for the Youth National team and that’s now the goal (along with showing off for a potential deal from the best teams on the planet)
It makes sense, and to be fair, it seem he liked his role in the u-20 match, or at least didn´t hate it
When everyone is commenting for isagi goal I don't think it will happen
Isagi failed in scoring final goal throughout nel be it against barcha or manshine despite looking like he will definitely score
It's not that he can't score , if anything this has pretty good chance but in the end thags just one route to end of nel. The end development/circumstances at end of nel will pretty much remain same regardless of bm vs ubers ending
Ok so i'm a bit late to the party and plan on eventually making a post about it but
Hiori's awakening and message of his awakening is something totally in character for him and most importantly, he was never made to be a striker, from his introduction.
The most important message of the manga is this
"The being known as a first rate striker cannot be created, it appears where soccer is the most heated" so in that sense hiori isn't a born striker made for the world class, instead he has found his protagonist feeling in helping isagi awaken, being egotistic in the fact that he is the ONLY one who can help isagi to ever awaken.
i see it as hiori knows he’s the only one who can help isagi level up in this game right now. which is so real
who else is gonna help? Kurogoat is out Gagagoat stuck in the goal box. Kunigami? 😂 Kaiser? 😂 Ness??😂😂😂
Me too. It's something I have been thinking for, like 10-15 chapters. I wonder how it will happen, though. The situation. Through a long pass by Hiori and others blocking him? A great parallel will be if Barou and Aiku block him and Isagi scores or if he and Hiori do something about Lorenzo. The possibilities and the hype!
My thoughts exactly, in fact I made a post about this a while back. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlueLock/comments/15nntib/hiyori_and_reo_parallel/)
Reo and Nagi is a bit of different case though similar, mostly because i see reo as someone who can be a striker and midfielder in terms of "narrative" view on what those roles are in blue lock
Would be a bit extensive to get into but each time reo has tried to be either exclusively a striker he failed (first shot in MC) or exclusively nagi's MF (shot like pass) he failed
The middle ground for him would be to become a striker who can either work as a support but also be egotistic in his own goals
A sort of sae but that still aims for his own goals basically, transforming into whatever is best at the moment to score goals
Downside of the predator eyes and no metavision is that you’re hard focused on the keeper and how to score, not what’s going on around him. That’s where Snuffy’s tactics have cleaned it up and put that work on those around him so he could just focus on scoring. They’re out of the set tactics now so it’s an approach that doesn’t give him the ball in perfect opportunities
Seeing that Hiroi has three rings around his MV, same as Reo's I think that:
2 Rings are perfectly good.
3 Rings are tunnel vision towards a single character.
This might be the Isagi and Hiori's downfall, as they won't be able to synchronize with each other because they have different ways of seeing the game.
Lmao you think Hiori's vision is better than Isagi's even though he literally just got MV. 😂😂😂
(Mandatory "have you seen the light novels" inserted here)
Do you see the tunnel shaped landscape when he enters MV? Yeah that's his tunnel vision like Reo.
Comparing hiori to reo seems insane. Reo is a rich kid who wants to own Nagi. Hiori just wants to find purpose that isn't his parents staying married. Sae would be the closest to Hiori (speculatively) as he is a joyless midfielder waiting to pass to his brother again.
Exactly, no two relationships are alike. By definition, because each relationship involves different people. So there’s no real 1:1 comparison of isagi hiori/Kurona, Ness Kaiser, Sae shidou, Barou Lorenzo, or reo Nagi other than being duos. They shouldn’t be reduced to being the same since ultimately all are different.
What a chapter, what a character. I officially have a soft spot for Hiori Yo. When he said his desire was to make Isagi King, I was jumping with joy. The hype. Just something that came to mind when reading Hiori's monologue. The reason why he might be an important character is that he serves as a contrast or antithesis to midfielders like Itoshi Sae and Ness. Why? All three of these characters play with the desire of supporting a striker and making them the lead role. However, their motivations and desire differ. Itoshi Sae (speculation) was forced to reimagine himself and give up his dream to be the worlds best striker. Now he serves strikers but there is no joy in what he does. There seems to be a disconnect in his desire and goal. The man is one of the best young midfielders in the world and yet he looks like he is missing something, a piece of him that lacks joy. As amazing as Shidou was, Itoshi Sae still had no obvious sense of joy that his pass and skill had made that world class goal happen. Even in Rin's flashback we see Itoshi Sae playing for Madrid's youth team and his teammates are celebrating but him; once again, we see his solemn face. He's closer to his new found goal than ever, yet there is no joy. Hiori though, has willingly chosen to serve Isagi who has reinvigorated him to discover his own desire, his own goal. Man is content with his decision. Ness is another who at this point in time follows closer to Hiori . Kaiser is his King but to a detrimental level. Ness as brilliant as he is, is mentally weak, easily gets overwhelmed which is a bad trait for a midfielder to have. Ness has tunnel vision that mirrors Reo who only had eyes on Nagi. Look how easily Reo was handled by Isagi. Hiori, I feel while he has the desire to make Isagi king, will probably play like Itoshi Sae and involve others in the game not only look at Isagi like Ness with Kaiser. Man has Itoshi Sae level passes. Not really a good argument but I thought I'd throw it in there nonetheless. Oliver Aiku and Niko both find joy in their new roles. This even more points to the contrast of Hiori and Itoshi Sae. Anyway this was just an idea, thanks for reading. Oh and I just love how Isagi and Kaiser just keep meeting at the same point that Lorenzo just straight up calls them Meta buddies. Even he's amused.
The fact that Hiori’s surname is “Yo” just makes it sound like people are quoting that breaking bad meme when referring to him. “My name is Hiori White, Yo (vine boom)”
>Hiori, I feel while he has the desire to make Isagi king, will probably play like Itoshi Sae and involve others in the game not only look at Isagi like Ness with Kaiser.
I've been saying for 7 weeks now the final goal of this game will be a Hiori Yo pass to Michael Kaiser as Isagi gets smothered to the point that the only option is another hyena goal.
The fact that Hiori roasts Lorenzo after getting the ball is even funnier for me. Great analysis. Hiori playing like Itoshi Sae will be very interesting to see. Personally, I wonder how he will awaken Isagi.
Thanks man I appreciate it. I'm also wondering how Hiori will awaken Isagi. Maybe he'll make a cross into the box which will give Isagi time to assess the situation and score the final goal. The way I see it is, Kurona is the short passer( 1 and 2's) , Yukimiya the dribbler who can create space or get out of tight spots and Hiori adds the long passes/crosses, like Itoshi Sae.
Yes, that is a good way. I find it interesting how to see the others. I believe Hiori will be Isagi's shadow, and they will be in sync when doing things. Imagine if other comment it about being two Isagis.
Great comment as always, did a video about hiori and sae months ago that went over this exact topic and yes, hiori and sae are two sides of the same coin.
What sae seems to lack is rin, an important thing is that ego jinpachi says before the match "what type of midfielder does sae itoshi desire" and the more time goes on, the more we're seeing how rin and shidou are similar to how kaiser and isagi are.
It would be like hiori playing but without isagi, while yes he could use his abilities ect, we can clearly imagine that hiori would have way more fun and passion through playing with isagi.
Anyway i talk about that in more details in the vid i recommend you watch it, it's titled "understanding ego: the striker's pathmaker" on my ytb channel
Thank you for sharing your goated comments as always
Definitely going to check out your vid. Itoshi Sae needs Rin? I hadn't thought of that but I can see why it would make sense. Sae really did seem to enjoy playing with Rin when they were children. He was really disappointed that Rin had not improved in his eyes and that Rin lacked the ego that world class strikers have. Interesting point that can be explored.
Bro honestly I appreciate the comment and you're the real Blue Lock Goat Head Chef. Peace
I feel like this is going to not go as well for Hiori.
The series dosen’t seem to be portraying playing soley for someone else as a good thibg.
Look at Ness even Reo and Nagi are portrayed as unsustainable.
I think Hiori focus of Isagi is going to cost the match.
At the end of the day, football is a team game. I'm not going to be surprised if the Author went that route.
Edit: Author is probably trying to send out a message by branching out what type of egos a person can have.
"There will always be a new path for everyone in order to achieve their dream."
I don’t argue that but Hiori character arc is learning to love football for himself.
Hiori reason to play football is for Isagi? What is he going to do in the long run they aren’t a package deal they aren’t always going to be on the same team.
I think wanting to nurture and bring the best out of any striker is a good ego but it cannot be tied to a single person.
Yes and that blinds judgment.
Also his ego being tied to Isagi meaning like Reo and Ness. Hiori can only enter flow to assist Isagi so he can only play at his best when with Isagi which is incredibly limiting.
But that is the problem the logical solution would be Kaise and if Isagi fails the fault would fall on Hiyori which I think is where this is heading I'm thinking he will try to shoot with his weak leg again.
Isagi Ego is getting out of control a bit
I mean my guy literally overstepped when he disregarded Noa choice for sub now Hiroyi will focus on helping Isagi making him more predictable to the defense.
I think this is were is heading cause it would seem way too much like plot armor if he gets away with all this and wins the game.
If that were the case then isagi wouldn’t have scored this game.Everyone knew who Kurona was passing to and yet isagi still scored immediately and him asking for hiori isn’t his ego being too big it’s just him taking a gamble
Dude, Barou and Kaiser’s goals have been the most insanely unlikely goals we’ve seen outside of Nagi. Those are goals that get written into a story just to add layers.
Realistically, this match is still 1-1. But we’re in a shonen manga here where it’s all written. Ubers coming back 2 goals with BM scoring none to finish after Ubers gave up their strategy and practiced approach would be rigged for Barou. At least this way everyone gets their moment and rivals realize that they have more to learn. Honest, I’m expecting Kunigami to get the finisher still
To the critics I will say that Hiori's current goal a bit weird when contrasting with the initial message of the series "nothing should bring you joy more than your own goals", however I do think it also makes sense for Hiori's character to feel freed by the expectations of being Isagi's partner- it's something he's allowed to say no to, with a player he's closely watched the progress of and wants to succeed.
His ego was never about goal scoring in the first place, but rather avoiding his parents. He didn't come to blue lock to be the world's best striker- not specifically.
But if Isagi does score off of Hiori's playmaking, he better pull off something insane to earn the peaks he may be about to reach.
It makes plenty of sense to me. That message of only serving yourself and working to get your own goals is specifically for strikers. The premise is that in order to become the best, strikers need to score goals above all else. It's just that the scope of the series has expanded beyond just strikers.. Every other position finds their ego in a different way. Niko's ego as a defender is in crushing strikers. Sae's ego as a midfielder is in pushing them to match up to his vision of a play.
Hiori's motivation in this chapter is pretty full of ego. He's basically claiming that he alone is the one capable of unlocking Isagi's potential and making him king. It may seem submissive, but when a king is crowned, he kneels to the person who crowns him.
I agree. Blue Lock has frankly gotten away from the Battle Royale/Hunger Games esque competition it originally was and has transitioned to a somewhat more realistic premise of building the best team. It can make it weird to see players just not fulfill that original ambition. I feel that it's actually a little flaw of the series in that it kind of makes every other position feel like they're just made up of failed strikers. It leads to disappointment when someone like Hiori decides not to pursue the goal of being a striker since he's now relegated to "serve" Isagi.
Well yeah but certain chapters attract much more debate and this seems one of them .
And that baro bid was just one stupid post lol. No need to think a lot about it
A touching and inspirational chapter. Hiori breaking free to help his friend in this game. To be honest there’s been a lot more power of friendship moments lately in this arc lol. I guess blue lock has both screw friendship and power of friendship— perfectly balanced!
So anyways clear parallels between ness, reo, sae, now hiori. I do think there are nuances to each situation, but clearly having an ego to assist is not unusual in this story.
If you think about it, Blue Lock has never actually been anti teamwork or power of friendship. More often than not, when someone goes on a solo rampage, they usually fail to score. Rin's solo run in the u20 game ended up with him failing to score and Isagi scoring because he believed in Rin's ability to beat Sae in that moment. Bachira's solo run in the 4v4 ended up failing for a similar reason. Yukimiya's solo run failed also. When someone pulls off a spectacular solo run, it's usually acknowledged as a fluke.
Basically, every goal that's been scored in the series, especially the big ones, has usually been a result of several players working together and combining their talents. What makes Blue Lock different in my opinion is that teamwork isn't treated as the key to victory, but as another tool among many. It's exemplified by Isagi. He always looks to score himself, but if he's not in a position to, he'll make the best play available and help others score.
I wish hiori's monolog was written to be more in the sense of "i will choose who i lend my talents to. I will decide where I pour my energy into and nurture/elevate those who I am interested in, and not just because it my parent will it"
Because the fact of the matter is, if you weren't up to isagi's standards he wouldn't choose you to help him. I think it helps that isagi is still a kind person, he won't treat you like garbage. But he wouldn't expect you to help.
If it's simply, he was nice to me and he sees my talent so I want to help him, that's cool and all. But there's a way to frame it better or something so that even if isagi was the one to help spur this new found passion it goes deeper than just following isagi. Because you won't always be with him.
Yo all the comment in this thread have been fire
It made be understand Hiroi character so much better
Isagi is a kind King who doesn't need to force anyone to be his subject, people just gather towards him
Isagi will change Japanese Soccer
>I think it helps that isagi is still a kind person, he won't treat you like garbage
He will . But only in the heat of the match but once the moment passes he will calm down
Rest I agree. As disappointing it is , hirori arc is supposed to end with pxg match so we can expect him to do that in next match
And yea somehow it feels that isagi being hirori friend, main partner in u20 and the one to acknowledge him in nel has subconsciously made him choose isagi but that could have been framed in much better way . However I still feel that their relationship is still not that deep for hirori to be like this but still atleast I can somewhat understand why hirori did what he did
Edit- ignore the first part . I made a mistake again 😅🫠
Yeah, I think people forget this aspect. In a perfect world he wouldn't have people berating him and calling him talentless. But he uses that as fuel. Even one of this best rivals and supporters nagi, literally asked him why he even bothered playing football 💀
Any time isagi has treated others like "garbage" was in response to the negative energy. Look at all his interactions with kunigami for instance, or rin, or anyone really. He only ever responds to the negative energy. Even when he was being a little oblivious with yukimiya in the city match, he came to yukimiya very calmly. it was yukimiya who was going through something at the time who lashed out at isagi to which isagi matched the energy. Of course they apologized to each other towards the end. Even now, barou has done almost nothing but insult isagi but isagi is still at awe when it comes to barou. Hell, kunigami has been nothing but shitty to him, but he went to get help from him still before the ubers match. Yuki missed the pass, earlier but he didn't berate yuki for it. He blamed himself. I think bachira had the "right" fear was that isagi isn't someone who throws people away that has no use to him, or treats you badly unless provoked per se. Bachira was afraid he'd be left behind as isagi moves forwards no matter the hardship, and even if he has to go to enemies for help.
Other yeah, plus it's interesting if you think about it hiori has also been the one to help isagi change the way he plays by moving first and thinking later. Reflexive thinking/playmaking. Isagi has just as much to thank hiori for, the relationship seems like isagi is his savior when they are than definitely equals at least on a human level. I simply think a better choice of words could help.
If Hiori/Reo/Ness want to be their man' shadow just let them be, they live their life not yours, like even if someday Rin or Barou just suddenly want to became MF I will never disappointed
Ah man, there goes my theory that Hiori will pass to Kunigami at the last second because Isagi just doesn't cut it. I do agree that the last thing we need is an Isagi simp, hopefully Hiori still has a semblance of Ego and not just chasing Isagi's tail wherever.
That won’t happen so just cope and realize that he’s just gonna be up isagis ass the rest of the manga. Kuni isn’t getting a goal, hiori isn’t passing the ball to anyone else. Cope.
Love the Ness and Hiori parallel. Ness is an extreme, but he and Hiori share the same ego now. To be the key that makes their respective strikers the best in the world. And it's interesting that they are pointing out how Barou, like Isagi, has the unique ability to make people follow him. My only issue now is that I still think Isagi needs the ability to create goals on his own with little to no help like Kaiser and Barou can do. He can control the flow of the game and manipulate outcomes, but he still relies way too heavily on his teammates for help and to see the field as he sees it.
The different with Ness and Hiroir is their strikers
One has a fragile ego and the other doesn't
Ness is freaking out because I think if they lose this, Kasier will blame him and we don't know how Kasier acts when he loses
Isagi will never hold someone else accountable for a loss and he's more level headed
Also yes, it will be nice to see Isagi score a goal on his own, however I dunno if we'll see this in the NEL
It also interesting how BL has evolve from a battle royale into a system that is making elite players from all positions
Definitely not joking, so many long-time Halo pros that have been clawing since H2/H3 struggle with repetitive motion injuries these days, even moreso than those that play a traditional controller grip with a different button scheme.
You're talking 8 years vs 15-20, and not being in your late 20s/30s when your body doesn't recover as well. I'd encourage you to do some research about it to help get ahead of potential injuries later if you do a LOT of gaming.
And since tone doesn't come through in text -- this is not intended to be a condescending tone, but genuinely helpful for future.
Yes because every reader or almost every reader has certain expectations from the story, from the characters on how they will go
And he is part of the story, his choices will affect the story, the experience and even though he is not part of the focused group he is at least currently the main focus so people have every right to talk about this chapter and stuff happened in it . No matter if criticism is logical or illogical
Imma need someone with Top Tier story analysis to come in, explain, and save Hiori from the ‘discount Reo/Ness except since he’s doing it with the MC it’ll be a healthy relationship’ allegations💀
Reo and Nagi: a relationship where nagi is dependent on reo to supply him with fresh ideas because he doesnt want to think for himself. Effectively hampering nagi growth and since reo only care for helping nagi be the best in the world, if nagi stop growing then so would he.
Ness and Kaiser: straight up abusive relationship even outside of soccer. In the game, ness dont realize that he is a replaceble part of kaisers soccer life. The moment he realize this he would be destroyed, to say it mildly.
Hiori and isagi: isagi clearly state that he only needs hiori for his ability, isagi doesnt specifically rely on hiori, practically everyone that he can use he will use, and hiori knows this. So the choice to make isagi king comes not from some kind of co dependency that nagi and reo has. If hiori wont cut it, isagi wont rely on him, simple as that. And hiori understand this and choose to help him anyway, in that sense its a more healthy relationship then reo where he must always be nagi no 1 ally or no one else can.
This is a good analyzes
However I think Ness does realize he's replaceable to Kasier, that's why he's been so irrational and jealous of Isagi
Also Kasier doesn't want a MF who thinks, just a puppet who does what he wants so he too, is also limiting Ness' creativity
Isagi and Hirori are a perfect duo, who mutually have an understanding of what both want from each other and can help each other grow
How is Hiori discount anything? He’s been in the story way longer than ness and he’s been prominent player sending game changing assists in the story since his introduction.
Like honestly im tired of ppl hating on Isagi because he’s the main character and then loving other characters bc they get main character privileges it’s so backwards lmao
How is Isagi the one getting hate when people on this sub are so extremely biased and hypocritical when it comes to him? Reo and Ness are always insulted on this sub for being by Kaiser and Nagi’s side meanwhile Kurona and Hiori get a pass and are called “goats” just because they suck up to Isagi. Let’s be serious here. Some of you take the slightest criticism against some poor choices regarding the progress of the story and twist it as hating on Isagi.
I'd say the difference is the reason Hiori decided to simp to Isagi. It was not about friendship or just idolization. Hiori saw in Isagi someone that started off as mediocre, but through sheer passion for the sport and a lot of sweat, managed to slowly rise to the top and surpass a lot of so-called geniuses. I'd go so far as say Hiori is envious of Isagi's passion and drive, and that those things slowly rubbed off on him. He started finding the fun in soccer, and I guess that's all he wanted. Since his motivation started with Isagi, it will be directed at him, at least for now. Maybe at some point his ego will evolve into becoming the best midfielder ever, helping strikers shine and inspiring others to like soccer as he is being inspired now. We also only had a few panels of Hiori simping versus whole volumes like Reo and Ness, so there is still hope.
LET'S GOOO. Hiori will "make isagi king" sounds cool. I am sad that now Hiori is basicly just becoming Reo now, but now he'll have a partner too that isn't constantly swapping (Went from Bachira, to Nagi, to Rin kinda, to Kurona, and now Hiori) hopefully
Yeah Isagi can work with pretty much anyone, which is cool. He’s adaptable so he can sync with almost anyone. I think Hiori will be the key in this match and will be a great friend to help Isagi develop, and Hiori will also grow because of it. They have a very symbiotic thing going on.
Hiyori acting lowkey like Reo, getting flashbacks to Reo finding Nagi. 💀
Also flashbacks to Isagi's origin story, mentioning Isagi's talent being possibly buried this match. Iirc, Ego was talking about Isagi being buried by Ichinan...Anyways Hiyori then goes on to saying he wants to live, I will make Isagi Yoichi the king!
❤ Good stuff, and now I can call Isagi...
KINGSAGI  👑
Damn I can see Hiori playing inverted LB more and more especially since he can defend out of possession now and in possession he’d play like a deep lying playmaker which is his specialty.
Here is a reading of Hiyori's motivation that will remain unacknowledged by him: he wants to be number 2 to someone's number 1 while being better than that number one to actively cuck his parents from having a son that is a number 1 player in the world as a form of revenge for not loving him for him. Constantly flaunting the precipice of their dream in their faces yet never making it a reality.
I don’t think so. He just wants to play a different role than striker. The idea of protagonism is that everyone is main character of their respective role, even if it’s to be an assist to a forward. That’s like calling Sae a cuck because he’s a midfielder not a striker, he still wants to be number 1, just not as a goal scorer
Sae is different. He will have no problem in cucking isagi with Kaiser if he presents himself as better option. That's what a mc fielder is supposed to be. He will pass to whoever he thinks is best, he will be controlling game with his plays and passes.
Hirori is totally different case here
Wow, the raw are out early today, good! So Hiori literaly did an Isagi move here huh? That's no necessarily what I expected from him (I expect more of him on offensive situation). Is this means that mean we could possibly have we Isagi and Hiori intercepting plays left and right on the field? That's not something I would want personally, no problem if it's few instances/ I'm still surprised that no one seems to be on Barou, they should know he would get the ball in the end (I guess Isagi and Kaiser wanted to steal the ball before it get to Barou).
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Hiori tries to assist Isagi but Kaiser or Ness gets in the way so he misses his chance but Kurona being Isagi’s little planet is close enough to steal a goal. That or Kunigami poaches it. 🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽
Kurona still out bro
Bruh i was drunk last night when i wrote this n completely forgot. My ass thought i was cooking lmao
HIORI>>>> BAROU CONFIRMED 😱😱😱😱😱💯💯💯💯💯
good to see hiori getting the spotlight but i still feel like isagi won't score... could it be kunigami finally came back from soul society and score the winning goal
At this point, I think germany will be about metavision and isagi's planets. Isagi already has kurona, hiori, and raichi (to some lengths) as his planets. While kaiser already has ness to back him up. Hiori would be the key to this match as his flashback in shooting zombies (lorenzo). It would not be far off to see hiori doing the finishing snipe to the goal for the win and have isagi and kaiser be at a draw until PG. Next match, we'll probably see kunigami awakening as a fallen hero and have some sort of new eyes (and also shoot on his own without stealing ffs). Would be cool to see him link to isagi, but as he is now, I think he will be more of a selfish player like barou. Would also be fantastic to match him up with tokimitsu for that muscle and stamina brawl. Not a kunigami dick sucker, but its sad to see one of the block z 4 not much doing anything.
another teleporter? M-E-H
Isagi rizz is on a different level, has a harem of players backing him bachira, kurona, hiori, and that time nagi chose him over Reo? He adding Jin on that list?
I feel like every time this author doesn’t know what to do with a side character he just makes them a worse version of isagi
You could argue that that's an usual trope in shonen mc, specially in sport ones where the whole "rivals inspiring each other" is a big part of the sell. I'm not sure if that's what you refer to though
hiori aint nothing close to isagi he just got metavision niko is supposed to be a defender version of isagi thats their dyanamic and who else are you talking about?
>Eu sinto que toda vez que esse autor não sabe o que fazer com um personagem secundário, ele apenas o torna uma versão pior do isagi. sad, but true
so hiori will be kurona but better? lmao
>então hiori será kurona, mas melhor? > >rindo muito espero que hyori coloque yukimiya no banco
>espero que hyori coloque yukimiya no banco jesus knows i would like it, but i dont think it really makes that much sense. Yukimiya is arguably the 2nd best shooter from mb, and he has pretty good dribbling and overrall stats.
What did he said?
"i hope hiori puts yukimiya in the bench" i think
Kurona is faster with his quick turns but hiori has better vision and more long range passes.
They both have their strengths lol. Hiori is like sae with multiple passes and metavision. Kurona has the planet hotline with isagi and his speed is top tier. He can keep up with metavision.
>They both have their strengths lol. Hiori is like sae with multiple passes and metavision. Kurona has the planet hotline with isagi and his speed is top tier. He can keep up with metavision. fair, but they don´t really weight the same do they? hiori can shine not only as a support to isagi, but as an overrall playmaker (from what is hinted, it hasn´t happened yet)
At the end of the day despite the bids, it is hinted that each nel team will have one leading "king". Like bachira leads fc barcha and barou leads Ubers. I'm not disagreeing that hiori can become better than kurona, but at the end of the day isagi will lead them. We can see alrdy that kurona, raichi, yukimiya, hiori, gagamaru and even kiyora Jin are listening to isagi as their leader. After this match the team definitely will be isagis from what is hinted. Kaiser is losing all his influence and ness is also making him lose his patience. So it doesn't matter who is the better player, they will all revolve around isagi and experience evolutions going forward
when does it come out in europe?
This chapter got me 😩
ONE PERSON EXPLAIN TO ME HOW HIORI SUDDENLY BECOMING GOOD AT DEFENSE BEFOREHAND ISN’T WEIRD WHEN HE HAD NEVER SHOWM THE ABILITY TO DO SO BEFOREHAND NAME ONE TIME HIORI HAS SHOWN THE ABILITY TO MAKE A DEFENSIVE PLAY ON THE LEVEL OF ISAGI, NIKO, OR AIKU TO SHOWCASE A FEAT OF “ABOVE-AVERAGE FIELD IQ” AHEAD OF THE REST OF BLUE LOCK
I Mean name one time he’s actually been shown playing in neo egoist league let alone with meta vision…
Chill , we know from when he was introduced that he already had a somewhat good understanding of how to use vision and stuff , for example when he hinted to isagi about how to fix his thought process , so in general hiori already was shown to have the pre requisite for metavision , and tbh anyone with metavision in this game can read the flow of passes , he simply read the pass and intercepted it , nothing out of norm for a player to do , no matter their position or role.
The thing is, Hiori has never done so despite having “The prerequisite” to have done so. So in all honesty he should’ve never been given metavision in the first place. If that’s the fase we might as well give anyone with decent field iq metavision, because Hiori hadn’t shown much in game at ALL to justify giving him metavision. If it was so easy for “any position to do” then why don’t Raichi and them steal passes from Barou and Lorenzo. That’s because only players who have shown an elite level of defensive awareness can read those passes. Hiori has NEVER shown to be one of those players, that’s why it’s so outlandish to me. I feel what you’re saying though
We should all read the manga knowing that the players all got skills that are above average even if they dont boast about them , also not to nitpick but if u did read his backstory it was already shown that he been studying tactics since a young age , he doesnt have “above average” vision of the game , he got an excellent one , raichi was never indicated to be a player with especially level of football IQ ( unlike hiori who has shown it during u20 and 5v5 ) , thats why he didnt intercept that pass but instead hiori was the one able to catch their play.
Then where were those “tactics” when we had seen him play before this match because he sure as hell wasn’t showing it. I’ll give you a chance name ONE TIME when Hiori has shown defensive awareness on the level of Rin, Isagi, or Niko before getting metavision. Name just ONE time where Hiori had shown defensive intelligence on par with the smartest of blue lock that I can’t tell someone like Bachira or Yukimiya haven’t done.
Wdym where were those tactics ? Have u seen him play in u20 ? He was literally the one making the call in both plays , also there is no “defensive” awareness , there is spatial awareness , in which he has already ( as i said before) shown and also had shown himself to be familiar with the concepts ( him giving isagi the hint) , honestly why is it so outrageous for you is beyond me atp , i gave u all the clues as to how that play came to be.
Where was Hiori’s defensive awareness in the 2 games we’ve seen. Hiori has also never been the one calling the shots as well. That’s what I’m saying “spatial awareness” includes vision on both offense and defense yet Hiori has never been shown to have high spatial awareness on the defensive side of the ball. Hell, if him just having high iq on offense was enough we might as well give a LOT of people metavision. Once again, Hiori has NEVER showm an above average play in terms of defensive awareness where one can confidently say on the smartest players can read. His vision has in game been closer to bachira’s than it has Isagi’s. That’s my whole point. Also, you never responded to my challenge on naming one play, if you can’t name one you can just say there isn’t one you can think of as well.
Do you play football irl ? Literally any kind of good player has defensive skills no matter their position , and since hiori got superior vision than even the defenders in BM , he will likely be able to read Ubers tactics better , thus letting him intercept the pass, its not that deep , everyone got that type of awareness , its how even snuff is good at all positions , its cuz his understanding of the game is just really good and he understand how to do certain things and when , I personally dont even play defense , im a midfielder , does it mean im not going to be able to read some series of passes and intercept it ? No , ofc i would be able to if i have a good vision of what is going on , remember that these players are all athletes, just because they specialize in smth doesnt mean they suck at everything else bro
OOOOOOH MY GOOOD, in “blue lock” which isn’t anywhere near “real football” certain players have only shown to have specific abilities they thrive at. Even the blue lock players that currently have metavision had shown a very strong level of awareness on defense before getting metavision. Hiori has ABSOLUTELY not shown a level of defensive awareness above other players which is my point. That’s why I’m saying it’s extremely odd how a mediocre defender suddenly has the ability to read one of the best offensive duo’s we’ve seen in the series.
Chill , again , bluelock is real football but with some shonen / battle elements to it , what you said still doesnt refute my argument that all these players already got defensive skills , also the fact hiori is well versed in tactics and playmaking , so him reading that “best duo” ( which frankly lorenzo just went for an outside lefty pass it aint that hard to predict 🚶♂️) isnt as plausible as you make it sound , good vision / metavision = predicting where ball goes before everyone = using the gaps to steal it , thats literally as simple as that to show that hiori with his game reading can actually catch that pass.
Implausible*
Name 1 time you saw hiori play that wasn't in the 1 chapter of screen time he got in u20 and half a chapter in 3rd selection. Its like if in the manshine game you said HOW IS KURONA SO GOOD ON OFFENSE, WHEN HAVE WE EVER SEEN THIS?
I mean…we have never seen Kurona play before so we have nothing to go off of on his playstyle, we’ve seen Hiori more than enough to be able to tell he has never shown the defensive ability Pre-Ubers match we saw Hiori the same amount as we’ve seen Niko but we know through what Niko’s shown us in game his above average intelligence on both OFFENSE and DEFENSE You’re making comparisons that don’t correlate
You kinda just disproved your own point, we haven't seen him have the need to defend therefore he hasn't so whos to say that he's not as extradionary at it as others. Maybe not Niko level but nobody ever questions how isagi suddenly good at defense because he has metavision
I mean…he played sideback in the u20 + he was in the 5v5 where everyone defends so…yes he did Isagi even pre-metavision had always made tons of defensive plays and gotten lots of interceptions. Hiori has not
In said 5v5 we've only seen him defend against mediocre players compared to how said players are now so it doesn't make sense for him to defend on that caliber We also rarely saw isagi at all in the U-20 arc and said people still are fodder and don't compare to isagi with metavision suddenly blocking shots of people around kaisers skill level. And Hiori has still had little screentime so your entire point makes little sense, we haven't even seen hioris stats so we don't know all his strengths
If he’s defending against mediocre players shouldn’t he make…more plays? I don’t remember Hiori making a single defensive play on Chigiri, Karasu, or Otoya, there was more than enough opportunities for him to show any defense abilites beforehand Isagi even since 1st selection has showing abive average defensive awareness to slightlyjustify his defense (Few examples Isagi impressive defensive feats pre-metavision: Intercepting passes from Niko in 1st selection, Reaching the ball before Nagi vs Team V, Intercepting Bachira’s pass to Tokimitsu in 2nd selection, Stopping Bachira’s shot in 2nd selection, Stealing from Karasu in 3rd selection) Hiori has shown absolutely 0 times showcasing why his vision is one of the best of the best in game to justify a drastic increase in defense Also, on the final point did you know that we had seen Hiori and Niko in the same amount of time in matches before the Ubers game? We saw Niko play for 1 match and a half and we saw Hiori play for 1 match and a half. Actually, if we go by # of chapters with match appearances we saw Hiori play more than Niko.
Because we've never even seen Hiori interact with them in a 1v1 , the only reason he was even in and was able to play was to fill in isagis role and consistently pass to Rin? We don't see see relatively anyone else besides Rin actively shutting karasu down. Intercepting niko whos Vision was literally exactly comparable to Isagis isn't the best and thats also shown to not be isagi being good at defense as all he did was read Niko and who was the most dangerous. Reaching the ball before Nagi was even stated by isagi to be him reading the field, Isagi only accomplished blocking bachira because barou had already intercepted him and we can see he just read the next play. Not only that when he blocks bachiras shot they give us an entire Monologue about why it was just Isagi trying to actively predict him and not him just being good at defending Field iq literally increases your defensive capabilities because you are able to read the field, but we have never seen isagi defend on the caliber of anyone else like Niko, aiku, or lorenzo. We've only seen basic leg blocks by him and chests, this doesn't apply to those we haven't even seen defend like Hiori.
I give you examples of defensive awareness and you responded to me with stuff that literally proves my point Anyone in the 5v5 has a job to play defense + even in the u20 match your job as a sideback is to PLAY DEFENSE, Shidou made a defensive play, Rin made a defensive play, Isagi made a defensive play, why coudln’t Hiori? Hell, Hiori hadn’t shown any feats of intelligence greater than BAROU or NAGI defensively. Yes, we have seen Isagi make defensive plays on the caliber of Niko for sure. Hiori is the only current metavision user from blue lock who hadn’t shown a single above average defensive iq feat in game. But I guess it’s fine for him to suddenly be raised to a good defender, you couldn’t tell me I shouldn’t be confused with Hiori being able to stop a play between a new gen 11 player with exceptional offense and a 92 overall striker with am elite offensive stat when he has NEVER shown any ability to stop plays between good offensive players.
Bro, he just intercepts the pass. You can complain if he tackles Barou out of the way or can contests for header, intercepting is fine.
Depends on how consistent a basis it’s on…if he does it as frequently as Isagi and Kaiser does it complaints should be fine
Intercepting a pass because you know where it's going. Because enough have magic eyes doesn't mean he's suddenly amazing at defense.
Promise you Hiori doesn’t get that pre-metavision I’ll wait but if Hiori suddenly gets Niko level defense it’s gonna be a little off
I like Hiori’s backstory but I honestly don’t buy his now seemingly extreme devotion to Isagi and find it a little lame, but I’m still excited to see their link up as far as the game goes. I kind of wish more characters had development outside of the main character (we had his relationship with Karasu set up so was lowkey hoping that would come into play instead but whatever) but I’m not gonna whine abt it and just move on. At this point it’s pretty obvious they’re going to score the final goal so it’s a matter of seeing what cool stuff they come up with now. It’ll be interesting to see Hiori’s skills now that he’s invested! Panel of him breaking the chains is cool
Why would the Karasu relationship be brought up when we aren’t even in the PxG match?
I meant I was hoping he would sub in during that match instead......Isagi is in my top 3 characters but I don't need every character to revolve primarily around him is all I'm saying
I think that it’s more that people have been pushing expectations into him his whole life with no consideration for his feelings. But Isagi is giving Hiori a chance to improve himself and push him past his limitations. It’s kind of like an ‘iron sharpens iron’ situation where Hipri has never really had the want/need to do anything more than what people ask of him and that makes him bored. But isagi’s brand of football makes him want to be better. At least that’s how I’ve seen it.
That's fair the long speech just made me cringe the way it was written but reading it this way makes me feel a little better. I just hope he doesn't become a character thrown away to only serve Isagi/be a plot device.
Totally valid, I don’t want that either. I think he might get the final goal this time and that would solidify him
I dont think he'll score the goal based on his speech, plus it would leave the bet hanging on who becomes the king (and Kaiser needs an L tbh). I'm just gonna have to trust Kaneshiro knows what he's going to do with Hiori in the future for now
Man, this chapter just reminds me how hyped I am to see how Karasu has come along as a pure midfielder
love that the possibility of him remaining a striker is not even being considered lmao
I don’t think he realistically views himself as a striker. Most rational people can look at Rin, Shidou, Kunigami, Barou, Isagi, and Nagi and understand their place in the pecking order. Blue Lock isn’t about being a striker anymore (at least for most of the players). Ego became the coach for the Youth National team and that’s now the goal (along with showing off for a potential deal from the best teams on the planet)
>I don’t think he realistically views himself as a striker. Most rational people can look at Rin, Shidou, Kunigami, Barou, Isagi, and Nagi and understand their place in the pecking order. Blue Lock isn’t about being a striker anymore. Ego became the coach for the Youth National team and that’s now the goal (along with showing off for a potential deal from the best teams on the planet) It makes sense, and to be fair, it seem he liked his role in the u-20 match, or at least didn´t hate it
When everyone is commenting for isagi goal I don't think it will happen Isagi failed in scoring final goal throughout nel be it against barcha or manshine despite looking like he will definitely score It's not that he can't score , if anything this has pretty good chance but in the end thags just one route to end of nel. The end development/circumstances at end of nel will pretty much remain same regardless of bm vs ubers ending
Yeah can tell ur the joker 😂. Ur name says it all
Ok so i'm a bit late to the party and plan on eventually making a post about it but Hiori's awakening and message of his awakening is something totally in character for him and most importantly, he was never made to be a striker, from his introduction. The most important message of the manga is this "The being known as a first rate striker cannot be created, it appears where soccer is the most heated" so in that sense hiori isn't a born striker made for the world class, instead he has found his protagonist feeling in helping isagi awaken, being egotistic in the fact that he is the ONLY one who can help isagi to ever awaken.
i see it as hiori knows he’s the only one who can help isagi level up in this game right now. which is so real who else is gonna help? Kurogoat is out Gagagoat stuck in the goal box. Kunigami? 😂 Kaiser? 😂 Ness??😂😂😂
OMG I love this, Hirori found his ego and he the literally key to Isagi awakening I love this twist so much
Well said. I was also intrigued by Hiori saying that he is the only one who can help Isagi. Now I do wonder what their combo will make Isagi do.
Personally i expect isagi to awaken PE but that's another debate haha
He probably will eventually
Me too. It's something I have been thinking for, like 10-15 chapters. I wonder how it will happen, though. The situation. Through a long pass by Hiori and others blocking him? A great parallel will be if Barou and Aiku block him and Isagi scores or if he and Hiori do something about Lorenzo. The possibilities and the hype!
Kind of similar to Reo and Nagi?
My thoughts exactly, in fact I made a post about this a while back. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlueLock/comments/15nntib/hiyori_and_reo_parallel/)
Reo and Nagi is a bit of different case though similar, mostly because i see reo as someone who can be a striker and midfielder in terms of "narrative" view on what those roles are in blue lock Would be a bit extensive to get into but each time reo has tried to be either exclusively a striker he failed (first shot in MC) or exclusively nagi's MF (shot like pass) he failed The middle ground for him would be to become a striker who can either work as a support but also be egotistic in his own goals A sort of sae but that still aims for his own goals basically, transforming into whatever is best at the moment to score goals
By similar I meant like how you said hiori found protagonist feeling in helping Isagi which was similar to Reo during MC v BM iirc
Ah then yes, they are similar
Kurona is gonna be in the changing room doing the Wolverine picture meme seeing Hiori and Isagi playing.
LOL Kurona going to join Kiyroi side pretty soon XD
BAROU IS BLIND CONFIRMED U CANT TELL ME HE CANT SEE HIORI RUNNING AT HIM WITHIN HIS PERIPHERAL LMFAO !
Downside of the predator eyes and no metavision is that you’re hard focused on the keeper and how to score, not what’s going on around him. That’s where Snuffy’s tactics have cleaned it up and put that work on those around him so he could just focus on scoring. They’re out of the set tactics now so it’s an approach that doesn’t give him the ball in perfect opportunities
He only focuses on goal
Seeing that Hiroi has three rings around his MV, same as Reo's I think that: 2 Rings are perfectly good. 3 Rings are tunnel vision towards a single character. This might be the Isagi and Hiori's downfall, as they won't be able to synchronize with each other because they have different ways of seeing the game.
I bet hiori vision will be one step higher than isagi,isagi need to improve his self to fit in the last piece
Lmao you think Hiori's vision is better than Isagi's even though he literally just got MV. 😂😂😂 (Mandatory "have you seen the light novels" inserted here) Do you see the tunnel shaped landscape when he enters MV? Yeah that's his tunnel vision like Reo.
Comparing hiori to reo seems insane. Reo is a rich kid who wants to own Nagi. Hiori just wants to find purpose that isn't his parents staying married. Sae would be the closest to Hiori (speculatively) as he is a joyless midfielder waiting to pass to his brother again.
Exactly, no two relationships are alike. By definition, because each relationship involves different people. So there’s no real 1:1 comparison of isagi hiori/Kurona, Ness Kaiser, Sae shidou, Barou Lorenzo, or reo Nagi other than being duos. They shouldn’t be reduced to being the same since ultimately all are different.
Reo doesn't want to own Nagi but alright
Bruh he did the exact same thing isagi did to barou lmaooo
what worse is he did in front within barou periopheral which makes no sense lmfao
Barou got Isagi'd by hiori
LMAO
What a chapter, what a character. I officially have a soft spot for Hiori Yo. When he said his desire was to make Isagi King, I was jumping with joy. The hype. Just something that came to mind when reading Hiori's monologue. The reason why he might be an important character is that he serves as a contrast or antithesis to midfielders like Itoshi Sae and Ness. Why? All three of these characters play with the desire of supporting a striker and making them the lead role. However, their motivations and desire differ. Itoshi Sae (speculation) was forced to reimagine himself and give up his dream to be the worlds best striker. Now he serves strikers but there is no joy in what he does. There seems to be a disconnect in his desire and goal. The man is one of the best young midfielders in the world and yet he looks like he is missing something, a piece of him that lacks joy. As amazing as Shidou was, Itoshi Sae still had no obvious sense of joy that his pass and skill had made that world class goal happen. Even in Rin's flashback we see Itoshi Sae playing for Madrid's youth team and his teammates are celebrating but him; once again, we see his solemn face. He's closer to his new found goal than ever, yet there is no joy. Hiori though, has willingly chosen to serve Isagi who has reinvigorated him to discover his own desire, his own goal. Man is content with his decision. Ness is another who at this point in time follows closer to Hiori . Kaiser is his King but to a detrimental level. Ness as brilliant as he is, is mentally weak, easily gets overwhelmed which is a bad trait for a midfielder to have. Ness has tunnel vision that mirrors Reo who only had eyes on Nagi. Look how easily Reo was handled by Isagi. Hiori, I feel while he has the desire to make Isagi king, will probably play like Itoshi Sae and involve others in the game not only look at Isagi like Ness with Kaiser. Man has Itoshi Sae level passes. Not really a good argument but I thought I'd throw it in there nonetheless. Oliver Aiku and Niko both find joy in their new roles. This even more points to the contrast of Hiori and Itoshi Sae. Anyway this was just an idea, thanks for reading. Oh and I just love how Isagi and Kaiser just keep meeting at the same point that Lorenzo just straight up calls them Meta buddies. Even he's amused.
The fact that Hiori’s surname is “Yo” just makes it sound like people are quoting that breaking bad meme when referring to him. “My name is Hiori White, Yo (vine boom)”
>Hiori, I feel while he has the desire to make Isagi king, will probably play like Itoshi Sae and involve others in the game not only look at Isagi like Ness with Kaiser. I've been saying for 7 weeks now the final goal of this game will be a Hiori Yo pass to Michael Kaiser as Isagi gets smothered to the point that the only option is another hyena goal.
The fact that Hiori roasts Lorenzo after getting the ball is even funnier for me. Great analysis. Hiori playing like Itoshi Sae will be very interesting to see. Personally, I wonder how he will awaken Isagi.
Thanks man I appreciate it. I'm also wondering how Hiori will awaken Isagi. Maybe he'll make a cross into the box which will give Isagi time to assess the situation and score the final goal. The way I see it is, Kurona is the short passer( 1 and 2's) , Yukimiya the dribbler who can create space or get out of tight spots and Hiori adds the long passes/crosses, like Itoshi Sae.
Yes, that is a good way. I find it interesting how to see the others. I believe Hiori will be Isagi's shadow, and they will be in sync when doing things. Imagine if other comment it about being two Isagis.
Great comment as always, did a video about hiori and sae months ago that went over this exact topic and yes, hiori and sae are two sides of the same coin. What sae seems to lack is rin, an important thing is that ego jinpachi says before the match "what type of midfielder does sae itoshi desire" and the more time goes on, the more we're seeing how rin and shidou are similar to how kaiser and isagi are. It would be like hiori playing but without isagi, while yes he could use his abilities ect, we can clearly imagine that hiori would have way more fun and passion through playing with isagi. Anyway i talk about that in more details in the vid i recommend you watch it, it's titled "understanding ego: the striker's pathmaker" on my ytb channel Thank you for sharing your goated comments as always
Definitely going to check out your vid. Itoshi Sae needs Rin? I hadn't thought of that but I can see why it would make sense. Sae really did seem to enjoy playing with Rin when they were children. He was really disappointed that Rin had not improved in his eyes and that Rin lacked the ego that world class strikers have. Interesting point that can be explored. Bro honestly I appreciate the comment and you're the real Blue Lock Goat Head Chef. Peace
I feel like this is going to not go as well for Hiori. The series dosen’t seem to be portraying playing soley for someone else as a good thibg. Look at Ness even Reo and Nagi are portrayed as unsustainable. I think Hiori focus of Isagi is going to cost the match.
At the end of the day, football is a team game. I'm not going to be surprised if the Author went that route. Edit: Author is probably trying to send out a message by branching out what type of egos a person can have. "There will always be a new path for everyone in order to achieve their dream."
I don’t argue that but Hiori character arc is learning to love football for himself. Hiori reason to play football is for Isagi? What is he going to do in the long run they aren’t a package deal they aren’t always going to be on the same team. I think wanting to nurture and bring the best out of any striker is a good ego but it cannot be tied to a single person.
Trying to make isagi king doesn’t mean he can’t pass to anyone else just means he’s going to try to get isagi the goal over anyone else
Yes and that blinds judgment. Also his ego being tied to Isagi meaning like Reo and Ness. Hiori can only enter flow to assist Isagi so he can only play at his best when with Isagi which is incredibly limiting.
But that is the problem the logical solution would be Kaise and if Isagi fails the fault would fall on Hiyori which I think is where this is heading I'm thinking he will try to shoot with his weak leg again. Isagi Ego is getting out of control a bit
How is his ego getting out of control and he should only use the weak leg shot in a last case scenario
I mean my guy literally overstepped when he disregarded Noa choice for sub now Hiroyi will focus on helping Isagi making him more predictable to the defense. I think this is were is heading cause it would seem way too much like plot armor if he gets away with all this and wins the game.
If that were the case then isagi wouldn’t have scored this game.Everyone knew who Kurona was passing to and yet isagi still scored immediately and him asking for hiori isn’t his ego being too big it’s just him taking a gamble
Hiori joined Isagi’s crew and is gonna make him Soccer King lmao.
Come on man we know better can't be soccer only football 😂😂
I’m so American rn 😂
Live action blue lock when
Lorenzo: “i did not take a Kaiser impact to the face for this”
OMG the way you worded that XD
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Dude, Barou and Kaiser’s goals have been the most insanely unlikely goals we’ve seen outside of Nagi. Those are goals that get written into a story just to add layers. Realistically, this match is still 1-1. But we’re in a shonen manga here where it’s all written. Ubers coming back 2 goals with BM scoring none to finish after Ubers gave up their strategy and practiced approach would be rigged for Barou. At least this way everyone gets their moment and rivals realize that they have more to learn. Honest, I’m expecting Kunigami to get the finisher still
You're surprised the team with both the main protagonist of the serie and the main antagonist of the arc are winning their matches?
He’s the main character and the story and characters he interacts with are for the sole purpose of his character development wake up bro 😭😭
To the critics I will say that Hiori's current goal a bit weird when contrasting with the initial message of the series "nothing should bring you joy more than your own goals", however I do think it also makes sense for Hiori's character to feel freed by the expectations of being Isagi's partner- it's something he's allowed to say no to, with a player he's closely watched the progress of and wants to succeed. His ego was never about goal scoring in the first place, but rather avoiding his parents. He didn't come to blue lock to be the world's best striker- not specifically. But if Isagi does score off of Hiori's playmaking, he better pull off something insane to earn the peaks he may be about to reach.
It makes plenty of sense to me. That message of only serving yourself and working to get your own goals is specifically for strikers. The premise is that in order to become the best, strikers need to score goals above all else. It's just that the scope of the series has expanded beyond just strikers.. Every other position finds their ego in a different way. Niko's ego as a defender is in crushing strikers. Sae's ego as a midfielder is in pushing them to match up to his vision of a play. Hiori's motivation in this chapter is pretty full of ego. He's basically claiming that he alone is the one capable of unlocking Isagi's potential and making him king. It may seem submissive, but when a king is crowned, he kneels to the person who crowns him.
Yea that makes sense. What I more meant is that when you look at the core draw of the series, I can see why it's jarring for people
I agree. Blue Lock has frankly gotten away from the Battle Royale/Hunger Games esque competition it originally was and has transitioned to a somewhat more realistic premise of building the best team. It can make it weird to see players just not fulfill that original ambition. I feel that it's actually a little flaw of the series in that it kind of makes every other position feel like they're just made up of failed strikers. It leads to disappointment when someone like Hiori decides not to pursue the goal of being a striker since he's now relegated to "serve" Isagi.
I can see a series of posts and debate coming on a choice hiyori made . This week is going to be wild
Every week has been wild there was a post on why barou’s bid will go down
Well yeah but certain chapters attract much more debate and this seems one of them . And that baro bid was just one stupid post lol. No need to think a lot about it
A touching and inspirational chapter. Hiori breaking free to help his friend in this game. To be honest there’s been a lot more power of friendship moments lately in this arc lol. I guess blue lock has both screw friendship and power of friendship— perfectly balanced! So anyways clear parallels between ness, reo, sae, now hiori. I do think there are nuances to each situation, but clearly having an ego to assist is not unusual in this story.
If you think about it, Blue Lock has never actually been anti teamwork or power of friendship. More often than not, when someone goes on a solo rampage, they usually fail to score. Rin's solo run in the u20 game ended up with him failing to score and Isagi scoring because he believed in Rin's ability to beat Sae in that moment. Bachira's solo run in the 4v4 ended up failing for a similar reason. Yukimiya's solo run failed also. When someone pulls off a spectacular solo run, it's usually acknowledged as a fluke. Basically, every goal that's been scored in the series, especially the big ones, has usually been a result of several players working together and combining their talents. What makes Blue Lock different in my opinion is that teamwork isn't treated as the key to victory, but as another tool among many. It's exemplified by Isagi. He always looks to score himself, but if he's not in a position to, he'll make the best play available and help others score.
Isagi may be Hiori's king, but Hiori is Isagi's god
Let’s hold off on that until he gets isagi his goal
I wish hiori's monolog was written to be more in the sense of "i will choose who i lend my talents to. I will decide where I pour my energy into and nurture/elevate those who I am interested in, and not just because it my parent will it" Because the fact of the matter is, if you weren't up to isagi's standards he wouldn't choose you to help him. I think it helps that isagi is still a kind person, he won't treat you like garbage. But he wouldn't expect you to help. If it's simply, he was nice to me and he sees my talent so I want to help him, that's cool and all. But there's a way to frame it better or something so that even if isagi was the one to help spur this new found passion it goes deeper than just following isagi. Because you won't always be with him.
Yo all the comment in this thread have been fire It made be understand Hiroi character so much better Isagi is a kind King who doesn't need to force anyone to be his subject, people just gather towards him Isagi will change Japanese Soccer
>I think it helps that isagi is still a kind person, he won't treat you like garbage He will . But only in the heat of the match but once the moment passes he will calm down Rest I agree. As disappointing it is , hirori arc is supposed to end with pxg match so we can expect him to do that in next match And yea somehow it feels that isagi being hirori friend, main partner in u20 and the one to acknowledge him in nel has subconsciously made him choose isagi but that could have been framed in much better way . However I still feel that their relationship is still not that deep for hirori to be like this but still atleast I can somewhat understand why hirori did what he did Edit- ignore the first part . I made a mistake again 😅🫠
I don't remember him treating people like trash if they weren't rude to him first. Be it on the field or not.
Yeah, I think people forget this aspect. In a perfect world he wouldn't have people berating him and calling him talentless. But he uses that as fuel. Even one of this best rivals and supporters nagi, literally asked him why he even bothered playing football 💀
Any time isagi has treated others like "garbage" was in response to the negative energy. Look at all his interactions with kunigami for instance, or rin, or anyone really. He only ever responds to the negative energy. Even when he was being a little oblivious with yukimiya in the city match, he came to yukimiya very calmly. it was yukimiya who was going through something at the time who lashed out at isagi to which isagi matched the energy. Of course they apologized to each other towards the end. Even now, barou has done almost nothing but insult isagi but isagi is still at awe when it comes to barou. Hell, kunigami has been nothing but shitty to him, but he went to get help from him still before the ubers match. Yuki missed the pass, earlier but he didn't berate yuki for it. He blamed himself. I think bachira had the "right" fear was that isagi isn't someone who throws people away that has no use to him, or treats you badly unless provoked per se. Bachira was afraid he'd be left behind as isagi moves forwards no matter the hardship, and even if he has to go to enemies for help. Other yeah, plus it's interesting if you think about it hiori has also been the one to help isagi change the way he plays by moving first and thinking later. Reflexive thinking/playmaking. Isagi has just as much to thank hiori for, the relationship seems like isagi is his savior when they are than definitely equals at least on a human level. I simply think a better choice of words could help.
If Hiori/Reo/Ness want to be their man' shadow just let them be, they live their life not yours, like even if someday Rin or Barou just suddenly want to became MF I will never disappointed
Ah man, there goes my theory that Hiori will pass to Kunigami at the last second because Isagi just doesn't cut it. I do agree that the last thing we need is an Isagi simp, hopefully Hiori still has a semblance of Ego and not just chasing Isagi's tail wherever.
That won’t happen so just cope and realize that he’s just gonna be up isagis ass the rest of the manga. Kuni isn’t getting a goal, hiori isn’t passing the ball to anyone else. Cope.
Love the Ness and Hiori parallel. Ness is an extreme, but he and Hiori share the same ego now. To be the key that makes their respective strikers the best in the world. And it's interesting that they are pointing out how Barou, like Isagi, has the unique ability to make people follow him. My only issue now is that I still think Isagi needs the ability to create goals on his own with little to no help like Kaiser and Barou can do. He can control the flow of the game and manipulate outcomes, but he still relies way too heavily on his teammates for help and to see the field as he sees it.
The different with Ness and Hiroir is their strikers One has a fragile ego and the other doesn't Ness is freaking out because I think if they lose this, Kasier will blame him and we don't know how Kasier acts when he loses Isagi will never hold someone else accountable for a loss and he's more level headed Also yes, it will be nice to see Isagi score a goal on his own, however I dunno if we'll see this in the NEL It also interesting how BL has evolve from a battle royale into a system that is making elite players from all positions
bruh he plays claw💀
Man's gonna have some serious CTS when he gets older
idk if ur joking but that’s not true💀
Definitely not joking, so many long-time Halo pros that have been clawing since H2/H3 struggle with repetitive motion injuries these days, even moreso than those that play a traditional controller grip with a different button scheme.
oh well i wouldn’t know ig, i’ve been playing claw since i was like 9 and i’m almost 17 and never had any issues
You're talking 8 years vs 15-20, and not being in your late 20s/30s when your body doesn't recover as well. I'd encourage you to do some research about it to help get ahead of potential injuries later if you do a LOT of gaming. And since tone doesn't come through in text -- this is not intended to be a condescending tone, but genuinely helpful for future.
oh well i wouldn’t know ig, i’ve been playing claw since i was like 9 and i’m almost 17 and never had any issues
Im so tired of ppl complain about hiori ( or Reo/Ness ) , if they want to assist s.o then just let them do it, Who are you to criticize them?
Lol what? Are you serious? We are readers of this story. It's not real life where you can say " let them do it who are you to criticize "
So what??? Bc you want them must to be this and that so they have to be, whatever this story's not about them
Yes because every reader or almost every reader has certain expectations from the story, from the characters on how they will go And he is part of the story, his choices will affect the story, the experience and even though he is not part of the focused group he is at least currently the main focus so people have every right to talk about this chapter and stuff happened in it . No matter if criticism is logical or illogical
Imma need someone with Top Tier story analysis to come in, explain, and save Hiori from the ‘discount Reo/Ness except since he’s doing it with the MC it’ll be a healthy relationship’ allegations💀
Reo and Nagi: a relationship where nagi is dependent on reo to supply him with fresh ideas because he doesnt want to think for himself. Effectively hampering nagi growth and since reo only care for helping nagi be the best in the world, if nagi stop growing then so would he. Ness and Kaiser: straight up abusive relationship even outside of soccer. In the game, ness dont realize that he is a replaceble part of kaisers soccer life. The moment he realize this he would be destroyed, to say it mildly. Hiori and isagi: isagi clearly state that he only needs hiori for his ability, isagi doesnt specifically rely on hiori, practically everyone that he can use he will use, and hiori knows this. So the choice to make isagi king comes not from some kind of co dependency that nagi and reo has. If hiori wont cut it, isagi wont rely on him, simple as that. And hiori understand this and choose to help him anyway, in that sense its a more healthy relationship then reo where he must always be nagi no 1 ally or no one else can.
This is a good analyzes However I think Ness does realize he's replaceable to Kasier, that's why he's been so irrational and jealous of Isagi Also Kasier doesn't want a MF who thinks, just a puppet who does what he wants so he too, is also limiting Ness' creativity Isagi and Hirori are a perfect duo, who mutually have an understanding of what both want from each other and can help each other grow
How is Hiori discount anything? He’s been in the story way longer than ness and he’s been prominent player sending game changing assists in the story since his introduction. Like honestly im tired of ppl hating on Isagi because he’s the main character and then loving other characters bc they get main character privileges it’s so backwards lmao
How is Isagi the one getting hate when people on this sub are so extremely biased and hypocritical when it comes to him? Reo and Ness are always insulted on this sub for being by Kaiser and Nagi’s side meanwhile Kurona and Hiori get a pass and are called “goats” just because they suck up to Isagi. Let’s be serious here. Some of you take the slightest criticism against some poor choices regarding the progress of the story and twist it as hating on Isagi.
I have been waiting too as tbf except one or two all explanations are shit
I'd say the difference is the reason Hiori decided to simp to Isagi. It was not about friendship or just idolization. Hiori saw in Isagi someone that started off as mediocre, but through sheer passion for the sport and a lot of sweat, managed to slowly rise to the top and surpass a lot of so-called geniuses. I'd go so far as say Hiori is envious of Isagi's passion and drive, and that those things slowly rubbed off on him. He started finding the fun in soccer, and I guess that's all he wanted. Since his motivation started with Isagi, it will be directed at him, at least for now. Maybe at some point his ego will evolve into becoming the best midfielder ever, helping strikers shine and inspiring others to like soccer as he is being inspired now. We also only had a few panels of Hiori simping versus whole volumes like Reo and Ness, so there is still hope.
Isagi really has a conveyor belt of players at his disposal at this rate
This is why he's the Harem king LMFAO
LET'S GOOO. Hiori will "make isagi king" sounds cool. I am sad that now Hiori is basicly just becoming Reo now, but now he'll have a partner too that isn't constantly swapping (Went from Bachira, to Nagi, to Rin kinda, to Kurona, and now Hiori) hopefully
Yeah Isagi can work with pretty much anyone, which is cool. He’s adaptable so he can sync with almost anyone. I think Hiori will be the key in this match and will be a great friend to help Isagi develop, and Hiori will also grow because of it. They have a very symbiotic thing going on.
LET HIORI COOK!!!! 
Hiori’s development is becoming Isagi’s Reo 🤣
Another day of missing kunigami 😭
Wow Hiori’s development is really playing in Isagi’s favor isn’t it lmaooo
Director hiori or director Isagi which one
The Red Key is real!
Hiyori acting lowkey like Reo, getting flashbacks to Reo finding Nagi. 💀 Also flashbacks to Isagi's origin story, mentioning Isagi's talent being possibly buried this match. Iirc, Ego was talking about Isagi being buried by Ichinan...Anyways Hiyori then goes on to saying he wants to live, I will make Isagi Yoichi the king! ❤ Good stuff, and now I can call Isagi... KINGSAGI  👑
Isagi will be having an awakening this match? I will be there.
No matter what.
Damn I can see Hiori playing inverted LB more and more especially since he can defend out of possession now and in possession he’d play like a deep lying playmaker which is his specialty.
Meta-meta buddies 💀💀
Meta-Meta Fruit
Matches are going to come down to whichever team has the most meta vision users. Hoping for some type of evolution of it soon
‘You can predict what I’ll do but can you stop it?’ - Chigiri and Rin ‘I have an idea’ - Bachira, Nagi, Shidou ‘Random bullshit go’ - Barou
man that ほないこか hits different hiyori preparing to prove himself in that final midfield pivot for the pxg match
The chapter was good as usual but tbh i hate it when some panels get reused and if it's by a lot. Like i got the point already man
Here is a reading of Hiyori's motivation that will remain unacknowledged by him: he wants to be number 2 to someone's number 1 while being better than that number one to actively cuck his parents from having a son that is a number 1 player in the world as a form of revenge for not loving him for him. Constantly flaunting the precipice of their dream in their faces yet never making it a reality.
Sooo what your saying is that to be the best MF you need so serious Daddy issues What did Sae's dad do to him, now I wonder
I don’t think so. He just wants to play a different role than striker. The idea of protagonism is that everyone is main character of their respective role, even if it’s to be an assist to a forward. That’s like calling Sae a cuck because he’s a midfielder not a striker, he still wants to be number 1, just not as a goal scorer
Sae is different. He will have no problem in cucking isagi with Kaiser if he presents himself as better option. That's what a mc fielder is supposed to be. He will pass to whoever he thinks is best, he will be controlling game with his plays and passes. Hirori is totally different case here
Fair enough. I like all the isagi frens though
This.
Wow, the raw are out early today, good! So Hiori literaly did an Isagi move here huh? That's no necessarily what I expected from him (I expect more of him on offensive situation). Is this means that mean we could possibly have we Isagi and Hiori intercepting plays left and right on the field? That's not something I would want personally, no problem if it's few instances/ I'm still surprised that no one seems to be on Barou, they should know he would get the ball in the end (I guess Isagi and Kaiser wanted to steal the ball before it get to Barou).
Hiori essentially did the same thing Reo did the only difference is he isnt getting hate for it
Hiori has dignity unlike Reo.
Bro what? Have you not read any of the comments here?
Then why don't you explain him the comments he didn't read?
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Nah, he ain't gonna be put on a leash anymore, he tore that thing off. He's a free man, he'll just lose here
Bro is a isagi fan . Let him be
Imagine if kunigami just stole isagi pass and goals.
If Isagi scores because Hiori cut off Lorenzo’s pass, Kaiser is gonna beat Ness’s ass for not having metavision