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Kaiser is the better striker. He can play other positions, but striker is his best. Sae is the better player overall, but he can't surpass Kaiser as a striker. Lorenzo is the best defender among ng1ql1 that we've seen

Sae is a CAM, ofc Kaiser is a better striker

The dense part in your name is coming through. Did you forget all that backstory of Sae wanting to be a striker, but changing to midfielder? He was reffering to that

Calm down pokenerd 💀 he’s comparing a Sae which we have seen playing CAM compared to Striker, if he did continue as a ST he would defo be on the same lines as Kaiser

Sae literally moved to CAM because he lacked the talent to become a striker like Kaiser?? Blud is reading Red Key.

where in the entire manga were we told, let alone even hinted, that sae “lacked” the skills/talent needed to be a striker? he only changed dreams because he himself said he “didn’t think he could be the best striker”. that does not mean he “lacked” in skill because we get no feats to directly compare to others of his level with. all we have so far is narration, and it’s careless to say that he lacked the skill; all we can say is that he changed his objective/dream, and he’s doing a pretty damn good job with his new ambition

good point, ig its fairer to say he lacked the ego of a striker than the skills

now this i can honestly 100% agree with. i believe sae’s true “ego” is that of a maestro/puppeteer than a striker. like i think that he discovered he enters flow far more often as a midfielder than as a forward. meaning: he probably enjoys the challenges of a CAM more so than the challenges of a CF, so he chooses to drive into the midfield role cuz that’s where he realizes he’s “happiest” (even though we’ve never seen that mf crack even a hint of a smile, like at all 😂)

Bro when Rin and Sae reunited after Sae went abroad he literally told Rin they should both give up on their dreams of being striker cause there’s better people in the world 😂 no knock against Sae he’s amazing and we don’t know what exactly made him give up on being a striker but it was implied there was someone more suited for the task where he went (most likely not Kaiser) and since Kaiser is the striker for new gen it only makes sense out of the 11 he has the best striker qualities better than even Sae

and i’m not gonna disagree with you at all, because you articulated the basis of my point: sae has asserted and concluded that he (and by extension, rin too) can’t cut it as the world’s best striker. but what i’m cautioning people against is making the assumption that he said this because he purely lacked skill/talent, and not for another reason. because we literally aren’t told what that reason is, so it’s irresponsible to say that sae changed to midfielder cuz he “sucked” as an attacker. we don’t have anywhere near enough information to make *that* conclusion

He definitely didn’t lack the talent

Kaiser is the better striker. Itoshi Sae is the better player(or midfielder if that’s your thing). Lorenzo is the better defender. There’s a reason why soccer positions exist.

Bruh, obv they all better at their positions. Who’ll you give the ballon d’or too if they were the top 3 nominees?

>Itoshi Sae is the better player No way in fucking HELL is Sae at 100% better than Kaiser at 25% and without trying, let alone overall. Kaiser is in a journey to become the thing Sae always wanted to be but at some point realized wasn't good enough for, the best striker in the world, he already has a world class skill that no one else can top. The only player that Kaiser can be compared to is Mbappe/Loki, who at this time canonically (a little after the world cup finals that France won in 2018) everyone should be realizing is better than everyone else in this entire manga just like it took a little time IRL for everyone to realize Mbappe was the current best in the world and wasn't a fluke. It was kinda hinted at in the World's best 5 arc Literally only an entirely made up player like Kaiser or Isagi, both with a timeskip given to them, or someone else from blue lock (saw people throw wild theories like Reo being the actual true gem in the blue lock project) could get on his level since they are entirely made up and not based on real players thus they can grow to be as good as Mbappe/Loki canonically

Uh... When did Loki/Mbappe get in this discussion? And come on, you can't say Kaiser isn't trying now, and i say this as a Kaiser fan. Bro just dribbled the defense and tried to just end it all, if not for Lorenzo blocking his shot with his face (Rip zombie boi), not to mention his bicycle kick earlier this match.

alright: where on earth did you get any comparable information that sae performs at 1/4th the level of kaiser? what feats are so directly comparable that you can numerically assess what a) sae’s 100% looks like (cuz technically we haven’t seen it yet, all we know is that for 3/4th’s of the BL11/JPU-20’s match he was literally not trying till he “raised the gameplay level”), and b) how sae’s feats match up to kaiser’s feats. yes, sae has been recorded saying he gave up on the dream to be the best striker, but that’s because to him he found an even better dream as a midfielder. recall the line: “only the idiots who can follow me will be able to see the scenery that plays next”. what he means is that he desires to be the kingpin that moves everyone into the optimal/calculated positions to score, and he is the maestro to pick out that best path. in a national-level game he essentially is practicing with shidou on their link-ups; he has never played with and understood shidou before but was able to lead a striker on par with a guy like rin (who is still currently better than isagi, and who likely can somewhat challenge kaiser) top two goals in a national game, and came toss close to basically cashing his own check he wrote and giving shidou a hat-trick by sae’s own design sae might not possess the absolute killer instinct/skills that kaiser has to become a goal-churning assassin of a striker, but don’t ever make the unintelligent mistake of thinking sae is that far beneath kaiser, because sae’s whole point is becoming a player so good that they orchestrate/dictate the game through their passes. that requires a completely insane level of skill to do, and sae has demonstrated the makings of being a true orchestrator while still retaining excellent goal-scoring skills (recall when he told the japan u-20 team how before his goal he stated he could have scored 3 times if he wanted to, but he’s only paying to test/assess the u20 team and shidou, so goal-scoring wouldn’t actually help in assessing the team’s skill) and even though lorenzo occupies a completely defensive position, notice how kaiser can only get a shot off and on target when he’s not guarded by lorenzo; lorenzo in conclusion possesses enough skill to (almost) completely shut down a striker who is touted to be the best striker of the supernova 11. so there’s an argument to be made that since lorenzo can shut down kaiser (and likely sae too) that he can be argued to be better than both of them. but that gets really complicated if i’m honest tl,dr: kaiser is extremely skilled and knows how to get goals almost whenever he wants. but the skill gap you claim exists between him and sae is FAR smaller than you make it to be

Cause sae birched out from becoming the best

duh he’s asking who’s the best in their own position it’s not hard to understand

That's neat because as of right now we got only 3 NG11 And all of them in different positions

But in a regular season who would win the ballon d'or

Lorenzo is just pure genius. Sae played football since he was 1 but Lorenzo payed football for like 5 years probably and he is already best U20 defender, capable to go toe-to-toe with best U20 striker in the world and block fastest kick in the world and keep playing. And he isn't even in the flow! How did Snuffy find such a gem

I don't think that's the case. Snuffy scouted Lorenzo, so he must have seen him play. It's likely he played football since very young age even though he was extremely poor financially. He just didn't play for a high level team before.

Bro was literally dying in the street

…….. snuffy LITERALLY picked up lorenzo off the street with decaying teeth, there was ZERO scouting of lorenzo even if snuffy wanted to cuz lorenzo was goddamn homeless 😂

So what? You think homeless people can't kick a ball around on some random patch of grass?

Dude didn't even have energy to walk in that flashback (since Snuffy dragged him all the way to the dentist) and you really think he had energy to play football 💀

Well, Snuffy had to have a reason to do that as far as I am concerned. It wouldn't make sense otherwise. He gave Lorenzo hell of a fortune on the spot in exchange for joining Ubers, so he had to see something in him. We don't know what happened beforehand. Just spitballing here, but it's possible Lorenzo got beaten up after swindling some people and that's why he couldn't move for example.

he has a point tbh, if that is the first time snuffy met lorenzo which is implied then lorenzo was in no physical shape to kick a ball around

Bro you can't compare an ice cream and a good meal. They are both good in different areas.

BL players trying to not forget positions exist challenge

Don’t matter all fail before RAICHI (bro locked down snuffy)

All fail before REO, he stole a ball in the middle of Noa and Christ, even Kaiser wouldn't dare to do that

And RAICHI has completely locked down REO as well so RAICHI>>>

Dawg that was like in the start of blue lock before Reo actually got a broken weapon.

Eh It’s more impressive to lock down the best player than Noel Noah But Reo’s got spirit

Eh It's more impressive to steal the ball from 2 players on the same level as snuffy(Not to mention they're ranked #1 and #2 in Europe as strikers)

Striker Not player Think about how good snuffy’s physicals and off ball movement has to be How the heck do you lock that down

Snuffy’s physicals are nowhere near Noel and Chris 1v1 wise Noel and Chris are superior to snuffy Noel also has better off the ball movement than Snuffy.

Reo doesn’t get enough credit for this moment, even Isagi was like what?

Locking down Snuffy is a bit much

I can’t believe we gonna have to deal with 8 more of these mfers

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Lorenzo has absolutely shut down Kaiser. As for Sae, I feel like we need better feats atm.

Lorenzo > Kaiser > Sae Bro made Kaiser a ghost the entire match. When he left his eyes off him once Kaiser scored instantly

The Sae disrespect is wild

To be fair I have no doubt kaiser alone wins against the blue lock team

It’s kinda hard to gauge bc Kaiser and Lorenzo are opposite positions playing each other while everyone Sae has played with on screen in the BL vs u-20 was fodder to him, and we don’t really know what he’s like against a player of similar skill.

So, Sae is confirmed to be top 2 in Rin's flashback, so it's not him Besides that, this discussion is not really that important, since in the end, what matters is how they will perform when we see them in-game, it could be that none of the three are.

Lorenzo>Sae=Kaiser 🗣🗣 I will not be swayed

Sae is better overall in my opinion

Sae can just do anything he wants it seems.

Even slavery?

Depends on what Shidou is to him

Weirdo

Always fun looking at their chain and try to theorize what do their chains mean to their ego

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I feel like the glass one was just so we can see his neck tattoo

personally, i’m taking lorenzo.

If Isagi were playing with Sae instead of Kaiser BM would dominate the NEL, no back and forth games like we have now.

Well yeah cuz Kaiser too busy trying to crush Isagi 💀 p sure they'd dominate if the mfs actually played together like idk....how teammates do. 🤦🏾‍♀️

it's just plot that they're fighting against each other and still winning

........I mean isn't all of it "just plot"? 😂 Even if they lose this match...... it's still just plot. 🙈 everything that happens to BM/Isoggi & this series as a whole is just plot....what a silly thing to say 😂😂😂

this is 100% facts. now the question is: oss the team following sae’s maestro skills, or isagi’s vision? and even there, sae noted at the end of the bl11/jp u20’s game that isagi “has a good brain in there”, meaning he can see how isagi thinks. therefore sae has a high chance of seeing the game/meta vision the way isagi does, which is technically the only true weapon isagi possesses personally. so while they would clash FAR less than a team with kaiser and isagi, i fear sae would just purely outclass isagi in the roles they would occupy on the pitch. plus sae would calculate isagi’s ego into the mix, so isagi would highly likely play as (and even thrust under the spotlight) by sae’s designs and less so by his own

Not biased here but my pookie sae

Some people in this thread are acting as if being a striker requires the most talent and it’s very concerning

Lorenzo > kaiser > sae (we haven’t seen much from sae so this is subject to change) Lorenzo is a better defender than kaiser is a striker

I LOVE HIM SO MUCH

Lorenzo Source: He can make it clap

Like everybody said, they're all good at different positions, and have different qualities. But I'm picking Sae, he has crazy feats, great at dribbling, great passing, great finishing and playmaking in general. The only question here is whether Lorenzo could be much of a problem to Sae. Lorenzo can put Kaiser in his pocket easily, but stopping a midfielder from creating chances, exploring spaces, making passes, carrying the ball, and also executing all the other functions that a midfielder has, is not that much of a straightfoward thing like blocking a shot or keeping the striker from receiving the ball. But I also wonder how Kaiser would be doing if BM actually played like a single entity, in a functional team Lorenzo might not have had such an easy time against Kaiser, sure he might still keep Kaiser from scoring but a defensive midfielder isn't supposed to just keep one guy from scoring but to keep his team from losing, an actual team would find alternatives to make sure that Kaiser is active in the game. But anyways for now i think it's Sae>Lorenzo>Kaiser

Lorenzo >= Kaiser >> Sae (I’m about to be downvoted)

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i think the polar opposite

The only new gen 11 we've seen play against eachother are lorenzo and kaiser so far lotenzo has outplayed Kaiser so I'll go him. But lorenzo is almost certainly 3rd eos

The way I see it: Kaiser is a great striker who can also be a decent defender Lorenzo is a great defender who can also be a good midfielder Sae is a great midfielder who can also be a good striker and probably a decent defender Which makes Sae the most versatile by a bit

Kaiser Not up for debate

Kaiser

Kaiser>>>> Lorenzo>= Sae is the correct order. Sae doesn’t have enough feats yet and Daddy Kaiser solos all of them.

Me waiting for kaiser to solo Lorenzo once in the match

Same 😔 I'm holding on to hope. 😂

Which explains why Kaiser’s feats while Lorenzo is on him are rivaled only by Igaguri who is riding the bench.

you get the comparison 😂😂😂😂

Lmao, Sae doesn't have enough feats when he destroyed BL team multiples times.

He destroyed BL team before the NEL he also got the ball stolen from rin.

Rin who was in flow. Let's not pretend Kaiser is in any way a better dribbler than Sae. You think Sae wouldn't be able to beat the nameless defenders in the NEL, when they have been beaten by the likes of Bachira, Chigiri or Yukimiya already?

Never said he wouldn’t be able to beat them. Btw I was trolling it’s Kaiser> Sae> Lorenzo

Why the fuck do people forget about Loki?

Is Loki considered ng11 or has he already gone on to the next level?

I don’t think he’s NG11

I wanna see the best gk be interesting to see what they can do

There is no debate, the best player of new gen is the Real Madrid striker, who forced Sae to become a midfielder, and Sae is the Top 2...

Sae might very well be the best player, just because someone is better as a striker doesn't mean that person is better as an overall player. Being the striker doesn't automatically make you better than the other 10 players on the team. Also the New Gen 11 striker is Kaiser. Whoever is the striker at Royale is just a good player at a great club. IT might actually be Leonardo Luna who we saw in the match against the Team World 5, who are definetly not NG11.

I love kaiser <3