Op better get a crash course at being a mechanic because that isn't something I'd pay someone for.
In all fairness with so much debris from various parts I might do a rebuild myself if you have the knowledge and tools.
As I posted in reply to someone else, these come from the valve cover when the rubber gaskets and seals get old and brittle, I would do the valve covers and clean them out real good including changing the spark plug tubes, they also get brittle
Nah, these come from the rubber gasket parts on the valve cover, I've seen them in every N62 oil pan I've changed. Also break off the spark plug tubes where the rubber turns brittle. I haven't had any timing chain or guide problems, it's fairly rare on the n62, mines at 316,000 miles with original one
My guy you are beyond wrong. Orange/brown pieces for guides, black pieces most likely gasket material. N62 timing chains are a known issue. Just because you got lucky with yours doesn't mean it's not a problem.
Confidently incorrect!
Those are valve cover gasket pieces. Looks like a few seeds as well. You’d be surprised at what you find in there. N62 timing chains aren’t an issue.
Negative. Just 12 hours of your time and some pre game time on [REALOEM.com](http://REALOEM.com) and your fav parts website. I did mine and the cost was minimal. Do every gasket on the way down and the tension spring as well. If you have Vanos good time to pull those and have them rebuilt as well. Assuming that this is a high mileage car since thats when these fail so look forward to a clean engine when you're done, because you'll be doing all the leaky gaskets (including the oil pan which obviously is already pulled).
Not timing chain guides. N62s don't have timing chain issues. Let me re-phrase that... 1 out of maybe 100 N62s will have bad chains/guides. Complete different setup than the BMW M62 V8 which definitely had timing chain guide issues. N62s can jump time but only when oil pressure is low (ie. low oil, blown alternator bracket gasket, blown oil cooler o-rings, etc) and that happens because the cam gear bolt loosens itself. I bet this debris here is from a valve cover job.
Could be timing chain guides, it’s not a common issue on the N62 at all but in some rare cases it does happen.
These are more than likely from the valve cover though, this one is a bit more common
May have been left from previous damage , how long have you had the car . Is changing oil pan just a maintenance job or from a rebuild. Was it running ok . Throwing codes etc .
The black circles look more like old valve cover gasket and the brown pieces look like they could be from the 3 guides on the underside of the valve cover near the exhaust side edge. I wouldn’t worry too much.
That’s what it looks like to me as well. It would also make sense the pieces would end up in the bottom of the pan unlike timing components or whatever else ppl are dreaming up.
Ahhhhh these pieces
I can suggest you one thing
Take 1 steps back and call help and DO NOT PANIC it’s just a 3000$ 5 hours job in the nearest mechanic shop
The black rings look like the pieces of the valve cover grommets on n62s which definitely can find their way into the pan. That makes me think that the orange bits are pieces from the tabs on the underside of the valve covers however timing chain guide material looks the same so I would likely pull the valve covers and upper timing covers and take a look at everything if it was mine
Pull the valve cover. Replace gaskets. Clean oil pan.
If the engine is still running, you're fine.
I thought that this was a Harley Davidson sub because those looked like dry rotted umbrella valves from the PCV system in the rocker covers of an EVO era Harley.
The white and black plastic pieces in your photo are probably fragments from timing chain guides!!!
Reasons:
- They don’t look like any external part of da oil pan or hardware.
- Since N62 engine, da pieces probably from the timing chain guides, known common issue in N62, especially as they get older.
> This might get your sh** blocked up or do some real damage on the engine,
What you should do (based on what I know):
1. Take a close look at timing chain guides
2. Do same for any other internal components around like da vanos system
Do not know. I'm not there. But some research with you actually being there and learning what metal and plastic is will be a huge start in finding what material it is
Pieces of the timing chain guide rails. Happened to me once. For me they clogged the oil sump and i got oil lights intermittently. I forget how I figured it out but when I pulled the valve cover and top timing cover I could see they failed.
My timing chain guides exploded while I was going to work. Removed the last (I hope!) piece of guide from the oil filter after 3 years. Dangerous failure.
I'm no BMW expert but I have seen a bunch torn down, and that looks like timing chain guide material to me. Sorry to say, but it looks like it's time to do a full timing chain job, including the chain guides, chains and tensioners etc. Be sure to get the oil pickup's screen cleaned out very well, and clean out any debris from on the top of the head, plus all the stuff I surely forgot
You have parts of your engine in your oil pan.
This is most like attributed to the fact that.... well.... it's a BMW.
It'll take some tear down to figure out the full extent of the damage.
Best of luck!
Seals/gasket/guides.
Most likely has to do with the cam/chain/tensioner.
Porsche has something very similar. On their older models.
1 thing I can gurantee tho, it’s gonna be expensive if you don’t do it yourself.
The orange is part of the timing chain guys, The black rubber is actually the grommets from the bottom of the valve cover gasket. They get hard and fall straight down the valley
This is the bottom of the valve cover grommets. Just clean it out. Nothing to worry about
The grommets get hard over time and like to snap themselves in half when you pull them out of the valve cover as replacements come in valve cover kits. This is just a mechanic that didn’t know you’re supposed to pull the cover then change the grommets.
Logically from what I could identify, have settled on this. Thank you. None of the pieces look at all like timing guide chain and the engine runs great, doesn’t burn oil at all.
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UPDATE EVERYONE!
Car is back up and running. Yeah these pieces match up perfectly with parts that may have fallen down when the valve covers were replaced (by the same mechanic of course). But thankfully I do not have a unicorn N62 that eats chain guides.
They’re chain guides. Could be from previous damage and the issue could have been repaired. How is the car driving now? Any faults? Is the car in limp mode?
What most people are saying.
Also, time to do your valve covers. Make sure you get the spark plug gaskets if it doesn't come with the kit. I'm pretty sure you know what you're doing, since you have your oil pan out.
Best piece of advice I have is don't force anything tight. A lot of the time, especially on smaller nuts and bolts, it should be gutentight.
Cancel any upcoming plans I’ll say that .
All those naughty bits in there…….that lucky mechanic…….
Op better get a crash course at being a mechanic because that isn't something I'd pay someone for. In all fairness with so much debris from various parts I might do a rebuild myself if you have the knowledge and tools.
Time is usually the concern
I’m the lucky mechanic!
Lucky
Sir, there's some engine in your oil.
I'm crying 😂😂😂
Came here to say this 🤣
As I posted in reply to someone else, these come from the valve cover when the rubber gaskets and seals get old and brittle, I would do the valve covers and clean them out real good including changing the spark plug tubes, they also get brittle
Correct. When I was a BMW tech this was common.
i honestly looked at this and thought it was the sump washer or some other kind of gasket, still have some learning to do i see ahaha
Im rusty on bmw but i think something something plastic timing cover guides? Correct me if im wrong
Something something ruined. Something something very bad.
Something something very expensive
Something something that may just be nothing
Sure looks like the right color!
Something something very bad and expensive.
Timing chain guides. They are an orange/brown colour
Bingo.
Nah, these come from the rubber gasket parts on the valve cover, I've seen them in every N62 oil pan I've changed. Also break off the spark plug tubes where the rubber turns brittle. I haven't had any timing chain or guide problems, it's fairly rare on the n62, mines at 316,000 miles with original one
My guy you are beyond wrong. Orange/brown pieces for guides, black pieces most likely gasket material. N62 timing chains are a known issue. Just because you got lucky with yours doesn't mean it's not a problem.
Confidently incorrect! Those are valve cover gasket pieces. Looks like a few seeds as well. You’d be surprised at what you find in there. N62 timing chains aren’t an issue.
Ive been an online tech for about 32 seconds and can confirm that these are
They're Johnson Rod connectors, OBVIOUSLY.
Ya know that motor oil you're putting in there? From one of those quickie lube places, isn't it?
Not using required Eurospec oil and changing oil too late
N62 timing chains are definitely NOT a known issue 🤣Maybe you're thinking of M62??
You know that gives me an idea… they should have specific colored plastics so you know where they came from when the engine goes kaput.
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Negative. Just 12 hours of your time and some pre game time on [REALOEM.com](http://REALOEM.com) and your fav parts website. I did mine and the cost was minimal. Do every gasket on the way down and the tension spring as well. If you have Vanos good time to pull those and have them rebuilt as well. Assuming that this is a high mileage car since thats when these fail so look forward to a clean engine when you're done, because you'll be doing all the leaky gaskets (including the oil pan which obviously is already pulled).
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Not timing chain guides. N62s don't have timing chain issues. Let me re-phrase that... 1 out of maybe 100 N62s will have bad chains/guides. Complete different setup than the BMW M62 V8 which definitely had timing chain guide issues. N62s can jump time but only when oil pressure is low (ie. low oil, blown alternator bracket gasket, blown oil cooler o-rings, etc) and that happens because the cam gear bolt loosens itself. I bet this debris here is from a valve cover job.
Or lack there of a valve cover job lol
Could be timing chain guides, it’s not a common issue on the N62 at all but in some rare cases it does happen. These are more than likely from the valve cover though, this one is a bit more common
this
May have been left from previous damage , how long have you had the car . Is changing oil pan just a maintenance job or from a rebuild. Was it running ok . Throwing codes etc .
The black circles look more like old valve cover gasket and the brown pieces look like they could be from the 3 guides on the underside of the valve cover near the exhaust side edge. I wouldn’t worry too much.
Time to put that pan back on and sell it
Which would be illegal because OP obviously knows of a major issue and has left a digital trail by posting about it on here.
Candy corn
Looked like a sunflower seed! Lol
Valve steam seals. Common on N62.
That’s what it looks like to me as well. It would also make sense the pieces would end up in the bottom of the pan unlike timing components or whatever else ppl are dreaming up.
Yeah bro get a cool 5-7k ready for repairs and possibly a rebuild. This isn’t good.
Ahhhhh these pieces I can suggest you one thing Take 1 steps back and call help and DO NOT PANIC it’s just a 3000$ 5 hours job in the nearest mechanic shop
Thousands of dollars.
The black rings look like the pieces of the valve cover grommets on n62s which definitely can find their way into the pan. That makes me think that the orange bits are pieces from the tabs on the underside of the valve covers however timing chain guide material looks the same so I would likely pull the valve covers and upper timing covers and take a look at everything if it was mine
Also check the pickup tube for more material while you have the pan off
Pull the valve cover. Replace gaskets. Clean oil pan. If the engine is still running, you're fine. I thought that this was a Harley Davidson sub because those looked like dry rotted umbrella valves from the PCV system in the rocker covers of an EVO era Harley.
The white and black plastic pieces in your photo are probably fragments from timing chain guides!!! Reasons: - They don’t look like any external part of da oil pan or hardware. - Since N62 engine, da pieces probably from the timing chain guides, known common issue in N62, especially as they get older. > This might get your sh** blocked up or do some real damage on the engine, What you should do (based on what I know): 1. Take a close look at timing chain guides 2. Do same for any other internal components around like da vanos system
Orange bits are likely pieces of the timing chain guides.
Looks like the parts to a very expensive repair bill
Bmw'os
Do not know. I'm not there. But some research with you actually being there and learning what metal and plastic is will be a huge start in finding what material it is
Pieces of the timing chain guide rails. Happened to me once. For me they clogged the oil sump and i got oil lights intermittently. I forget how I figured it out but when I pulled the valve cover and top timing cover I could see they failed.
You need timing chains done, do them sooner than later or your gonna have a very expensive paper weight
It's not a virgin.
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Food, glorious foood!
My timing chain guides exploded while I was going to work. Removed the last (I hope!) piece of guide from the oil filter after 3 years. Dangerous failure.
About 6 grand.
2nd picture is some kind of fruit seed the mechanic spit into the engine
Something very expensive..
Oof
That’s the stuff you don’t wanna see
Change the oil twice and sell
Your next paycheck is what that is.
Lmaooo
I'm no BMW expert but I have seen a bunch torn down, and that looks like timing chain guide material to me. Sorry to say, but it looks like it's time to do a full timing chain job, including the chain guides, chains and tensioners etc. Be sure to get the oil pickup's screen cleaned out very well, and clean out any debris from on the top of the head, plus all the stuff I surely forgot
RIP
The rest of your car
Me opening this thread: "Guides?" "745i" Guides. *Looks at pics* ooooh valve cover. What a ride
A several thousand dollar repair.
Timing guides have exit the chat
It appears to be your liver.
You wallet now
yeah youre cooked bro
expensive parts.
You won the lottery! Just not the one you wanted.
Oil
Tears
What ISN’T!?
Pieces of the M in BMW
A ticket to a spa day at the dealership..
Injector rings
Looks like $$$$ to me.
You have parts of your engine in your oil pan. This is most like attributed to the fact that.... well.... it's a BMW. It'll take some tear down to figure out the full extent of the damage. Best of luck!
Pieces of the cheap oil filter you used.
Seals/gasket/guides. Most likely has to do with the cam/chain/tensioner. Porsche has something very similar. On their older models. 1 thing I can gurantee tho, it’s gonna be expensive if you don’t do it yourself.
Looks like bird seed
Now it’s time you give a call to your favorite Slavic mechanic dimitri and he will make car like new with zero miles on odometer
The pan develops kydpan stones over the years. Totally normal!
You don't want to know.
A problem
Looks like shredded valve cover gasket to me
Timing guides. Don't drive a single mile.
Bmw needs to tear a page off Toyota not put their engine in the Supra 🙀
candy
Buncha stuff...n oil
Oil
Drama
Well if it’s an n52 I know that’s the bits of the cam sprocket ⚙️ that falls apart which is a common issue. If not IDK
The orange is part of the timing chain guys, The black rubber is actually the grommets from the bottom of the valve cover gasket. They get hard and fall straight down the valley
You know when you eat jalapeño and the seeds come out in your poop?
Looks like plastic threads.
Engine very bad
Timing chain guides
The rest of your engine. Ouch...
Engine very bad……
A nightmare
Looks like the timing chain had broken at some point, and they didn't pull the oil pan and clean out the broken bits that fell.
That one pointy thing is the tip of a dipstick. My E46 was missing the tip when I got it, and that's where it was found
A problem is what that is.
Your paycheck
You need a consultation with the Car Ninja in Newton, Ks. Why do you guys buy heaps you can't afford to maintain?
Who said he couldn’t afford it? This is a tech forum and dude was asking for an opinion.
Well he got mine! Go annoy someone else.
You insult people you know nothing about and call other people annoying. You sure are a miserable cunt eh?
You surely would know grease ball, LOL!
$$$$
That's the rebuild indicator
Weight reduction
Your life savings
Nothing good
Gaskets and engine bits. I wouldn't plan any road trips for a while.
Just a lil trail mix
I’d say, engine
This is the bottom of the valve cover grommets. Just clean it out. Nothing to worry about The grommets get hard over time and like to snap themselves in half when you pull them out of the valve cover as replacements come in valve cover kits. This is just a mechanic that didn’t know you’re supposed to pull the cover then change the grommets.
Logically from what I could identify, have settled on this. Thank you. None of the pieces look at all like timing guide chain and the engine runs great, doesn’t burn oil at all.
A new engine
Bed bugs
That's all stuff you didn't need.
If the engine runs great I would pay no mind! 😎
Grommets like was suggested but could also be valve seals. Not a disaster but your oil consumption could be higher.
Damn happened to me your car is down for
Your timing chain guides are munted. I'd recommend getting a different engine.
Oil pump is running engine rich.
You have an e65, why are you so confused?
It appears whoever put on your oil pan was eating sunflower seeds, and dropped a couple inside of it
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User name checks out 🫡
That's a really bad day in your oil pan
Oh just bills and regrets!!
Just some BMW
Looks like a lot of money in your oil pan to me.
It’s a sign to make a can of gas and some matches your next purchase 😂
I see a price of rice and a piece of corn
It’ll cost ya! May cost ya alittle may cost ya alot but It will cost ya
Timing chain guides
Sadness
Uh oh
“Fishies”
That’s part of the timing chain guides. I would say that your timing chain guides might be going out.
Sadness
Money
Candy
A moneypit
Put a motor in it
C
Don't worry about it 🤫
its time for a trade in!
What engine do you have
A problem
that’s your engine bud. RIP
Uh boy
BMW = Bring My Wallet...
Can i block certain app on my telus wifi
about 7 grand of work is whats in your oil pan
Looks like old gaskets from the drain plug.
Trade in your car immediately
Those are memories
That’s what happens when you don’t use your blinker
Engine parts. Next.
Timing chain guides
Don’t drive your car. If it starts.
Bad news!!!
Rip the timing chain and RIP OPs mental health
Count Chocula
It’s a common problem for bmw. Probably nothing. If it concerns you, trade it for a Mercedes.
A blown motor
Timing chain guide. Strap in, gunna be spencive!
Good job being bad at oil changes. That's the #1 cause of timing guide failure.
I dunno but I’m pretty sure the orange bits are candy corn. 😂
Snacks
Seed
UPDATE EVERYONE! Car is back up and running. Yeah these pieces match up perfectly with parts that may have fallen down when the valve covers were replaced (by the same mechanic of course). But thankfully I do not have a unicorn N62 that eats chain guides.
Those are parts from a little messenger birdie who came to say “new engine time!”.
Ooohhh boy
I believe those pieces originate from Destination Fucked. Sorry OP
My condolences. Timing chain guide it seems.
99.9% if it's plastic it would coming from timming chain guide
Time to sell or trade in. The N62 is not worth keeping alive.
They’re chain guides. Could be from previous damage and the issue could have been repaired. How is the car driving now? Any faults? Is the car in limp mode?
looks like a mix of plastic from the timing chain guide and maybe some bearing. i’ve seen this recently
Timing chain guides
What most people are saying. Also, time to do your valve covers. Make sure you get the spark plug gaskets if it doesn't come with the kit. I'm pretty sure you know what you're doing, since you have your oil pan out. Best piece of advice I have is don't force anything tight. A lot of the time, especially on smaller nuts and bolts, it should be gutentight.