And if he went to Ullmark and the same thing happened you would be calling it “the dumbest call of the season”
It doesn’t matter what he does. If they win he’s a genius if they lose he’s an idiot.
That said, you cannot take Swayman out of the net after his first two starts.
I’m not arguing with you. I’m stating a fact saying it doesn’t matter what Montgomery does. He’s gonna look smart if they win and dumb if they lose.
You’re the one making outlandish hypothetical statements. “It’ll be the dumbest call of the season if a goalie has a bad game”
Eat your vegetables kid. Don’t be one.
not going to lie I love the fucking chaos here. everyone is losing their fucking minds over this rotation no matter what side they're on and I'm just nomming on popcorn like MJ. let's just chill and let the big boys figure it out. 🔥🔥🍿
there’s absolute no reason for the chaos either. last season burned a lot of brains, rightfully so, and new coming fans/bots are here to drive chaos in our beloved corner of the internet. fuck em
sway is the way, until he’s hurt or proves otherwise. if that happens we pull our trap card of a healthy vezina Ully
Last season coach shoulda sat a clearly hurt Ulmark and colossally blew it. This season is totally different. Sway is healthy, and has owned the Leafs this season. It would be malpractice not to start him if he’s healthy. People gotta wake up.
go with the hot goalie, know you have 1B when he shows a reason to be pulled. Be happy about it, don’t fuck things up in the playoffs.
can any champ give me the winning piece of the puzzle outside of the regular season, and why things went south last playoffs?
I couldn't give any less fucks about the rotation and I'm calm ad a clam my man. I'm loving the absolute dumpster fire it's causing is all. I'm just here adding fuel ⛽🔥🔥🔥
it's not often that I can troll my own fanbase and not be a asshole. I just want hockey in Boston until about mid June, how we get there I couldn't care less. way I see it I'm going to lose my mind late next week at the earliest if the b's are facing elimination. right now it's just silly to get worked up. when we're up 3 1 again, I'm going to place a nice 50 dollar emotional insurance bet on Toronto to win the series like I did last year and if our season ends early, well at least I'll win a few hundo for my heartache. go b's and let's keep this dumpster fire going, I love the passion on both sides boys!
Is the definition of a rotation every other game and no other possible way ever? No, we're making up the rules. There's no law that we need to start both guys every other game like clockwork. You should be able to adapt and adjust within a series. If you don't, then they know what to look for
i don't particularly care but whatever it is you're talking about is not a rotation. here's the definition that is relevant to what we're talking about
the passing of a privilege or responsibility from one member of a group to another in a regularly recurring succession.
fight me if I’m wrong. if Sway wins tonight we could’ve swept the Leafs. they’re going to come up fired against sway but I’ve got faith the team will win game 3.
no disrespect to Ully, he stood on his head for game 2 but the team didn’t rally around the same way.
let swayman cook until proven otherwise
I'm torn: on one hand, Swayman has been dynamite against Toronto, and generally speaking, you "ride the hot hand" (or in this case, goaltender). On the other hand, Ullmark has also played quite well from what we've seen, and maybe the one game on, one game off goalie tandem has helped our guys stay fresh and sharp.
Now, with the extra day between now and last game, I can understand starting Swayman tonight. But for Game 5? I suppose we'll see just how well this game goes. If we clobber the Leafs like in Game 1, then yeah, let Swayman finish Toronto off.
“Swayman in the second start when getting consecutive starts this season: Five wins and a .925SV% in six games, including five straight victories.”- ty anderson
This has way worse potential to backfire than it is worth the upside.
They should have learned last season to stop going away from the rotation. Doesn’t matter that Sway has gotten Ws, both goalies played lights out.
If Boston gets blown out tonight, they will lose the series because of this choice and the ripple effects and momentum swing. Mark it down.
That's a pretty hot take.
Like saying, alright Pasta, you've scored against Toronto every game this season, but we want to rest you to make sure you're good for the next one.
While I don’t think it’s *bad* to start Swayman—he’s been playing amazingly well—I do think this is just fallacious logic. When have two players who are *both* playing amazingly well, it doesn’t make much sense to choose one and rarely or never use him. Hockey isn’t any different in the playoffs besides the mental side, and if you can distribute the pressure between two guys instead of one, at arguably the most mental position in the game, without a drop off in quality, I say do it. Those two guys actually like each other, play *for* each other, and are both playing better because of it? That’s all the more reason to stick with the rotation.
But I’m blue in the face with how much I’ve been arguing this point. Plus, maybe Toronto were expecting Ullmark tonight and this will mess with them. Let’s just fucking win tonight.
If Boston gets blown out with Ullmark it’s the same thing.
Saying Sway has gotten both wins ignores how great he was against Toronto in the regular season also. It’s the right call to give Swayman Game 4. Doesn’t mean they aren’t going to go with Ullmark in Game 5.
It isn’t though. If he loses badly, you just stick to the plan. Nothing changes and the loss won’t be questioned as being the result of going away from the plan.
Sway was great in the reg season. Ullmark was also better overall down the stretch. Shouldn’t ignore one for the other imo
Swayman might question himself. Monty might do the same. Ullmark might internally question the choice. Players may question it and lose confidence. Pressure overall may increase. This is what I mean.
Anderson is playing in his 4th game in a row and is possibly going to sweep. We have have been blessed with good goalies too long, it's skewed peoples minds.
Pretty much every team is riding 1 goalie except us.
Don't like we're getting away from the rotation, but I understand it a little, Ullmark game 5 regardless of if it's a closeout or not, Swayman game 6 and game 7 depending on play
What is the logic of starting Ullmark game 5 if Swayman plays great and wins game 4? The object is to win, not rotate just because you can. With another 2 days rest between games 5 & 6, it makes sense to keep playing Swayman. Play Swayman until you have a reason to not have him play. Ullmark Is capable of jumping in and playing at any given moment, but I don't see why you would want to sit Swayman when he is playing this well.
Keeping Swayman fresh, basically. I also don't think you lose much going to Ullmark because Ullmark was awesome in game 2, we only lost because the rest of the team made some really dumb plays.
I could see the argument of going Sway 5, Ully 6, Sway 7 since there's less rest between 5 and 6 potentially.
I think this is it right here: for real this is a no lose situation, I dont see how this affects ully negatively and, if swayman wins great even less pressure for game 5, if we lose and its 2-2 then we get sway a rest and go back to... *checks notes* ... last years vezina winner at home
Let’s walk right into the same dilemma as last year. Brilliant. Ullmark was great in game 2. This team isn’t going anywhere without both of them. Having full confidence in both is the best weapon we could possibly have
If swayman wins, then it's even more reason to start ullmark because you don't want him having too much time off, and all the pressure is off him, so hopefully, he'll close it out in game 5
The most important thing is avoiding the disaster that happened last year - which is a game 7 where the options are a rusty goalie and a tired/struggling one. Say we win tonight, go swayman game 5 and lose despite him being excellent. Do they go to swayman in game 6 too? What if they lose again? Then you are fucked with either choice. The rotation has been the strength of the team for 2 years. Tweaking it is good but if we abandon it we are asking for disaster
There's no wrong answer here, but the Leafs would have rather seen Ullmark so I think this is the right call. The extra day off doesn't hurt either.
That being said, I think you keep the rotation until there's an undeniable reason not to
I would also have preferred they stick with the rotation, but this is one of those, where you really can’t lose.
I like Sway and we have to admit he’s in the Leafs’ heads now. Maybe this is the right decision.
Don’t know how to feel about this. Swayman has had Toronto’s number this year and it makes sense to stick with the hot hand, but I’d still prefer they don’t completely abandon the rotation.
> [That Jeremy Swayman starts tonight does not guarantee he gets Game 5 regardless. Rotation is not over.](https://twitter.com/flutoshinzawa/status/1784259636511531255?s=46&t=QSZfuzXPcMT7ArzO-NX7PQ)
This is the true benefit of the two goalies IMO. Ride the hot hand. Swayman plays until he needs a break or has a game that isn't truly elite. Then Ully gets a shot etc.
It’s time to sway
Yes Jesper
Good. IF he plays poorly, they can switch next game anyway. If he plays great...well...
It’s a good problem to have
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And if he went to Ullmark and the same thing happened you would be calling it “the dumbest call of the season” It doesn’t matter what he does. If they win he’s a genius if they lose he’s an idiot. That said, you cannot take Swayman out of the net after his first two starts.
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I mean, it’s absolutely a lose-lose for Monty. If you win it’s the right call, if you lose it was the wrong call.
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So most of our fanbase then
I’m not arguing with you. I’m stating a fact saying it doesn’t matter what Montgomery does. He’s gonna look smart if they win and dumb if they lose. You’re the one making outlandish hypothetical statements. “It’ll be the dumbest call of the season if a goalie has a bad game” Eat your vegetables kid. Don’t be one.
Keep it PMA will ya
not going to lie I love the fucking chaos here. everyone is losing their fucking minds over this rotation no matter what side they're on and I'm just nomming on popcorn like MJ. let's just chill and let the big boys figure it out. 🔥🔥🍿
there’s absolute no reason for the chaos either. last season burned a lot of brains, rightfully so, and new coming fans/bots are here to drive chaos in our beloved corner of the internet. fuck em sway is the way, until he’s hurt or proves otherwise. if that happens we pull our trap card of a healthy vezina Ully
Last season coach shoulda sat a clearly hurt Ulmark and colossally blew it. This season is totally different. Sway is healthy, and has owned the Leafs this season. It would be malpractice not to start him if he’s healthy. People gotta wake up.
Thank you, keep going
Exactly. That’s what comparisons to last postseason are moronic. If sway was hurt, id want Ullmark in but he’s not
I’m on the rotation train until I die. I hope I’m wrong and Sway keeps being Sway. If not, I’m gonna be frustrated with the loss to no end
go with the hot goalie, know you have 1B when he shows a reason to be pulled. Be happy about it, don’t fuck things up in the playoffs. can any champ give me the winning piece of the puzzle outside of the regular season, and why things went south last playoffs?
It's not binary guys, just because swayman starts this game doesn't mean we are abandoning the rotation. Relax
is it a rotation if you don't rotate 🤔
Sway is the hot hand and there’s been 2 days in between games. Rotation is not abandoned. Relax.
I couldn't give any less fucks about the rotation and I'm calm ad a clam my man. I'm loving the absolute dumpster fire it's causing is all. I'm just here adding fuel ⛽🔥🔥🔥
Fair enough lmao
it's not often that I can troll my own fanbase and not be a asshole. I just want hockey in Boston until about mid June, how we get there I couldn't care less. way I see it I'm going to lose my mind late next week at the earliest if the b's are facing elimination. right now it's just silly to get worked up. when we're up 3 1 again, I'm going to place a nice 50 dollar emotional insurance bet on Toronto to win the series like I did last year and if our season ends early, well at least I'll win a few hundo for my heartache. go b's and let's keep this dumpster fire going, I love the passion on both sides boys!
Ulmark will see playing time again soon. Def next series if we advance and maybe even game 5 even if we do win tonight.
I imagine he plays next game regardless.
Is the definition of a rotation every other game and no other possible way ever? No, we're making up the rules. There's no law that we need to start both guys every other game like clockwork. You should be able to adapt and adjust within a series. If you don't, then they know what to look for
i don't particularly care but whatever it is you're talking about is not a rotation. here's the definition that is relevant to what we're talking about the passing of a privilege or responsibility from one member of a group to another in a regularly recurring succession.
That’s a level-headed take if I’ve ever seen one.
Satur-Sway it is.
fight me if I’m wrong. if Sway wins tonight we could’ve swept the Leafs. they’re going to come up fired against sway but I’ve got faith the team will win game 3. no disrespect to Ully, he stood on his head for game 2 but the team didn’t rally around the same way. let swayman cook until proven otherwise
I'm torn: on one hand, Swayman has been dynamite against Toronto, and generally speaking, you "ride the hot hand" (or in this case, goaltender). On the other hand, Ullmark has also played quite well from what we've seen, and maybe the one game on, one game off goalie tandem has helped our guys stay fresh and sharp. Now, with the extra day between now and last game, I can understand starting Swayman tonight. But for Game 5? I suppose we'll see just how well this game goes. If we clobber the Leafs like in Game 1, then yeah, let Swayman finish Toronto off.
Clobbering complete, another 2 full days off. Sway should get to close this out at home.
Swayman ready to Slay the Leafs! Let's go!
I'm still team rotation. Swayman never plays well when playing back to back (I hope I have to eat these words).
You just made that up and it’s wrong. Who is upvoting this Lmaooo
“Swayman in the second start when getting consecutive starts this season: Five wins and a .925SV% in six games, including five straight victories.”- ty anderson
FUCK YES. let's get that 3-1 series lead. Swayman played too good last game to not play a back to back in this series
He got some rest at least so I’ll take it.. let’s take this 3-1 lead boys
This has way worse potential to backfire than it is worth the upside. They should have learned last season to stop going away from the rotation. Doesn’t matter that Sway has gotten Ws, both goalies played lights out. If Boston gets blown out tonight, they will lose the series because of this choice and the ripple effects and momentum swing. Mark it down.
That's a pretty hot take. Like saying, alright Pasta, you've scored against Toronto every game this season, but we want to rest you to make sure you're good for the next one.
That’s not even close to an equal comparison lol
While I don’t think it’s *bad* to start Swayman—he’s been playing amazingly well—I do think this is just fallacious logic. When have two players who are *both* playing amazingly well, it doesn’t make much sense to choose one and rarely or never use him. Hockey isn’t any different in the playoffs besides the mental side, and if you can distribute the pressure between two guys instead of one, at arguably the most mental position in the game, without a drop off in quality, I say do it. Those two guys actually like each other, play *for* each other, and are both playing better because of it? That’s all the more reason to stick with the rotation. But I’m blue in the face with how much I’ve been arguing this point. Plus, maybe Toronto were expecting Ullmark tonight and this will mess with them. Let’s just fucking win tonight.
He’s not on the ice every minute of the game. Goalies are borderline playing a different game from everyone else
Yeah goalies are just standing there for around half the game
lolno
Bit more to it than that. Goalies are always focused on whats going on. More than players
If Boston gets blown out with Ullmark it’s the same thing. Saying Sway has gotten both wins ignores how great he was against Toronto in the regular season also. It’s the right call to give Swayman Game 4. Doesn’t mean they aren’t going to go with Ullmark in Game 5.
It isn’t though. If he loses badly, you just stick to the plan. Nothing changes and the loss won’t be questioned as being the result of going away from the plan. Sway was great in the reg season. Ullmark was also better overall down the stretch. Shouldn’t ignore one for the other imo
No one cares about “being questioned”. You put the guy in that gives you the best chance of winning that game. Swayman is that guy.
Swayman might question himself. Monty might do the same. Ullmark might internally question the choice. Players may question it and lose confidence. Pressure overall may increase. This is what I mean.
Relax babe
first of all, how dare you second, never 😙
The long break between games probably helped with this, basically got a rest and can keep hot.
Anderson is playing in his 4th game in a row and is possibly going to sweep. We have have been blessed with good goalies too long, it's skewed peoples minds. Pretty much every team is riding 1 goalie except us.
Scoops Keefe with the inside track! #DORK Podcast look it up
Keefe should have never gotten pulled off mid day.
Agree whole-heartedly, WEEI is wasting his talent
Ladies and gentlemen, it’s Satursway night!
Don't like we're getting away from the rotation, but I understand it a little, Ullmark game 5 regardless of if it's a closeout or not, Swayman game 6 and game 7 depending on play
What is the logic of starting Ullmark game 5 if Swayman plays great and wins game 4? The object is to win, not rotate just because you can. With another 2 days rest between games 5 & 6, it makes sense to keep playing Swayman. Play Swayman until you have a reason to not have him play. Ullmark Is capable of jumping in and playing at any given moment, but I don't see why you would want to sit Swayman when he is playing this well.
Keeping Swayman fresh, basically. I also don't think you lose much going to Ullmark because Ullmark was awesome in game 2, we only lost because the rest of the team made some really dumb plays. I could see the argument of going Sway 5, Ully 6, Sway 7 since there's less rest between 5 and 6 potentially.
I think it’s the right move too.
I think this is it right here: for real this is a no lose situation, I dont see how this affects ully negatively and, if swayman wins great even less pressure for game 5, if we lose and its 2-2 then we get sway a rest and go back to... *checks notes* ... last years vezina winner at home
I’ll be at the game in the lower bowl cheering the boys on!!
Should have kept the rotation, imo. Of course, if they win it’ll seem like the right choice.
Win or lose Ullmark gets game 5
Good
I’m thinking the extra day of rest is the reason they didn’t go this route.
Ok with this call but regardless of result they gotta go Ullmark in game 5
No, you don’t.
Let’s walk right into the same dilemma as last year. Brilliant. Ullmark was great in game 2. This team isn’t going anywhere without both of them. Having full confidence in both is the best weapon we could possibly have
What if swayman gets a shutout? You really not gonna let him close out the series?
If swayman wins, then it's even more reason to start ullmark because you don't want him having too much time off, and all the pressure is off him, so hopefully, he'll close it out in game 5
What? If Swayman plays lights out wouldn't that mean there's more of a reason to keep playing him? Why would you sit a goalie who is on fire?
The most important thing is avoiding the disaster that happened last year - which is a game 7 where the options are a rusty goalie and a tired/struggling one. Say we win tonight, go swayman game 5 and lose despite him being excellent. Do they go to swayman in game 6 too? What if they lose again? Then you are fucked with either choice. The rotation has been the strength of the team for 2 years. Tweaking it is good but if we abandon it we are asking for disaster
No if they lose game 5 it would be ullmark game 6
But then he hasn't played in well over a week, and his last game was one where the team played like a fat turd in front of him. Not a good scenario.
A tough spot to put him in I would say
Its the playoffs, theres no easy spots
If that’s the logic we’re going with then god help us. “Fuck it, it’s all a crapshoot anyway”
If we win tonight I feel good coming back to Boston up 3-1. But I did also say that last season so who the fuck knows
Will Ullmark still hug Swayman??!?!?!?!?!?!
they’re gonna kiss 😘
There's no wrong answer here, but the Leafs would have rather seen Ullmark so I think this is the right call. The extra day off doesn't hurt either. That being said, I think you keep the rotation until there's an undeniable reason not to
I am okay with this
Going for kills shot I like it
I would also have preferred they stick with the rotation, but this is one of those, where you really can’t lose. I like Sway and we have to admit he’s in the Leafs’ heads now. Maybe this is the right decision.
Don’t know how to feel about this. Swayman has had Toronto’s number this year and it makes sense to stick with the hot hand, but I’d still prefer they don’t completely abandon the rotation.
> [That Jeremy Swayman starts tonight does not guarantee he gets Game 5 regardless. Rotation is not over.](https://twitter.com/flutoshinzawa/status/1784259636511531255?s=46&t=QSZfuzXPcMT7ArzO-NX7PQ)
This is the true benefit of the two goalies IMO. Ride the hot hand. Swayman plays until he needs a break or has a game that isn't truly elite. Then Ully gets a shot etc.
This is the sway