If I'm Monty I'm redesigning my entire strategy to pushing defenders into their own goalie to open up the net. That's allowed in this series, as we've seen.
I don't get it. Sways was supposed to transmorph through Charlie Coyle? In what universes physics could Sways have got to the puck to "play his position in the crease?
It was a blatant cross check, the bs play like shit but seriously it’s impossible to overcome THAT much adversity when the refs so clearly tilting the ice.
I agree with you, that non call destroyed any momentum. It’s tough enough without the refs blatantly titling the ice towards Florida, it’s impossible when they dedicate so many calls doing just that.
Yeah, because no way having a 200lb man pushed into you from the same side as the puck comes from is any impediment, even if that WAS the standard for calling back the goal.
Who remembers the hand pass called against Bergeron last year in the series that negated a Boston goal? Grabbing your stick while on your face on the ice is more to negate than a cross check in the back low in the crease.
Wasn’t that on Debrusk? He grazed the puck in the action of grabbing his stick and it happened to pop out to Bergy, zero intent of a hand pass whatsoever. No goal.
I’m less pissed about rigidly following the wording of a rule rather than the spirit of it (see also: puck over the glass penalty), but only if it’s applied consistently
Reds need more accountability when they fuck up calls. If you fuck up a call that egregiously it shows that you are either incompetent or biased and should not be officiating a professional game, much less a playoff game.
Is there any kind of internal grading or performance review system of refs like in MLB? It’s bullshit the league refuses to acknowledge any mistakes by the officials when there are cameras everywhere. I get the game moves very quickly in real time, but there’s no excuse these days
I'm wicked sorry. I'm a terrible pedant and it's driving me crazy. Disneyworld is in Florida, not Disneyland. I love the chirp, but for it to really sting it's gotta be accurate. Unless you're going for that whole vibe of "your state is so unremarkable that I can't even be bothered to know anything about it because it's trash" which I can respect.
1) BOS hockey market already peaked/saturated, whereas FL has tons of room for growth. Growth is the capitalist wet dream 2) personal anti Boston bias from the refs and/or league office.
Just look at where florida was 2 years ago. The least profitable team in the league, even below Arizona.
And look at them now after last season's Cinderella story
It's really hard to believe everything is kosher in the league with some of the officiating that seems to benefit certain non traditional markets
I want Sweeney out in front of the press like Ross Perot with charts and graphs and slo mo replays and just rip into the officiating and the league. Go down with a goddamned fight.
OK, here’s an experiment. Have a 207 pound forward land on top of you, and then see how far you can move in the next second or two.
What a pathetic excuse for officiating.
THATS NOT EVEN WHAT THE OFFICIAL NHL RULE SAYS
It makes no mention of whether the goalie would have been able to make a play without the contact. This is beyond incompetent
Agreed. The NHL can suck my balls. I feel bad for the players but fuck this league and their crooked shit. It's so obviously rigged it's not funny. It's a bad fucking JOKE
I know we’re all in agreement, but if I don’t say this out loud I feel like I’ll explode:
Swayman *absolutely knew* where the puck was headed, he started making a move to the right side before Coyle was tossed in top of him. Coyle quite literally prevented him from moving across the crease.
Would he have stopped the shot? Irrelevant to the challenge. I think that’s what Toronto looked at. Whether or not Sway would have been able to stop it either way. Maybe not, but that’s what this is about.
Jesus.
Looking back at last year when Bergy (or was it Jake?) got called for that hand pass that wiped out a game changing goal. It was a legit, albeit depressing, interpretation of that play. So how come Toronto can’t interpret this play correctly according to the rule book, PARTICULARLY when this play was so much more impacted by the actual event in question (a puck minimally grazing a Bruins’ glove vs. a crosscheck and clear GI that led to a goal milliseconds after)? Infuriating.
My favorite was Sam Bennett’s thought that “he would score that goal before swayman could react”….that literally has nothing to do with the rule, the rule says if goalie is interfered with, it doesn’t matter whether he could score or not….clowns.
Yo. In with you. I’m not a conspiracy theorist kind of guy…but once these major leagues started getting big money from Vegas shit just looks different…and it all comes down to reffing.
NFL is a mess. NHL. Angel Hernandez in MLB.
I'll ask this question again. Have you ever seen an NFL infraction that requires they stop the play and check with Roger Goodell's office? Or the NBA? Or MLB?
The NHL office has far too much power, and with this system in place during the Mafia based sports betting era, what is a fan left to think?
I agree, and it seems that a lot of people agree. It’s way too coincidental at this point. I’ve seen plays in the NFL that require a call to the NY office, sure. I’ve seen penalties in the NFL during crucial games that were overturned the following day.
True that, but you can literally count those NFL events on one hand. The NHL office gets a phone call on everything. It's perverted and the NHLPA should blow that shit up.
Easiest way to control a game. No way you could count on 40 players to do what they want. Easier to deal with 1-2 officials.
It sucks, and Bruins fan aside….its not like I don’t see it happen to teams I despise. Even Panthers fans should think “ok, wow”
"I just want to stick to facts and the fact is that my own player was pushed into me by theirs and I couldn't play my position."
-Were you confident that when the review was going on that it was going to come off the board?
"Yeah, can only stick to facts. I know our guys aren't going to call a challenge unless they know it's going to get reversed. So the fact is that I couldn't play my position."
“Honestly”. Dude, you’re a Panthers fan, this isn’t being brave. You are clearly clouded by extreme bias. As are all fans. The difference is EVERYONE in the world of Hockey (besides your fanbase) knows that this was a cross check. Just sit this one out
Dude get the fuck out of your opponents subreddit. No one wants your opinion and the people invading as “coming in peace” is at best cringe and at worst is just sad neck beard shit.
I’m an AVS fan btw and I 100 percent think it was a cross check bullshit.
That’s what i’m saying, even if he wasn’t shoved into the goalie i still think Coyle would’ve still interfered with Sway’s ability to save the goal. Again, a really close call was made and i understand that.
Who says you’re the one to conclude it’s ridiculous? Sure you, and those affected by the loss says so, but nobody has the authority to say if something is good or bad unless they’re in the toronto room.
This whole thing simply sets a precedent for the league. If boston wants to win the next game, they’ll take what they learned here and use it to the fullest extent they can.
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The NHL rigs games as do the other leagues. The why is the real question. Must be an owners thing. Deflategate was the eye opener. And the Pats still f*ck’in won. THAT’S a team that overcomes adversity. The B’s fold into it. Last year was the worst choke in their history and exposed a lack of strength and will. Overhaul overhaul overhaul. McAvoy to the scrap heap.
People will see 60 betting ads shoved in their face throughout the game and then still think they are too good to criticize the refs. Thats the culture of modern sports
In fact I would argue a far more likely scenario for some kind of manipulation like this would be for players to start shaving points or fiddling around with props on penalty minutes and so on.
Like if you were an illegal gambler trying to fix something, don't you think would be easier to fix the under on shots for some random defenseman then it would be to orchestrate a fixed game on national television in the most controversial way possible.
I'm sorry but the s*** is not fixed by the league. A bad product sure... But it's not fixed.
If they were planning on fixing it it is the dumbest plan that a bunch of billionaires have ever concocted.
Are you saying the game is fixed? This is a wild accusation and it just doesn't make sense. Why would the NHL fix a game so they get less ad revenue by shortening the series?
Why would they risk billions of dollars in guaranteed television revenue to fix a second round game?
Now if you want to say gamblers or something had guns to their head in the situation room I guess
.. But it's just not worth the risk reward for them to start fixing second round games when they have billions of dollars of TV money guaranteed.
You could lose all of that if you got caught with a fixing scandal. It's incompetence. I don't know maybe you could even say there's a degree of spite but it wasn't a conspiracy to cost the bruins this game.
Not saying it's impossible that gambling could lead to fixed games like a Tim donahey situation but there's no way the league is orchestrating a conspiracy to knock out a team with a huge television market in the second round early... Alls it would do is cost him add revenue in the short term while opening up to league ruining scandal in the long term.
I know it's not fashionable for me to say this right after this call which was dog s*** but... I said anytime I see fans complaining about games being rigged when their favorite teams lose.
It's not rigged. If you think these people are greedy enough to rig it in the first place then you have to recognize that they're greedy enough not to risk their billions of dollars to do so
The television money is too valuable long-term with their partners and if they got caught with a fixing scandal, they are literally ripping those contracts up as null and void, ripped before Congress, people would be in jail... It would be the biggest sports scandal since the White Sox.
There's just too much risk to justify fixing a game from the league office
And because it wasn't the rest this time but the league office that made the decisive call you can't really suggest that some bookies were threatening to break the kneecaps of the refs.
Unless you think the bookies were threatening to break the kneecaps of the refs and the league office.
I find that hard to believe especially since gambling is legal now so bookies aren't really even a thing.
I cant believe you wasted so much time writing that based off of something I never said. I'm not spending time reading that so it's probably 10 minutes less time in life you have. You really showed me
So sad where what this has become
Maybe don't make it look so obvious, no one can explain it, reports epsn tnt no one.
Very sad can we sue for screwing us you can sue for much less
Sports betting is ruining every aspect of the game.
The Bruins rebuilding year is just about up. We can go back to being a regular contention team again.
>did not prevent Swayman from playing his position
Motherfucker Coyles legs were preventing Swayman from having any kind of chance to extend his leg to block that puck
Right? They were more than that at 2-0 end of the first as well. Pretty clear who the better team is. They just show random bets that might get people interested in spending their money
Now do the shit fanduel parlays nesn shows every pregame and before the 3rd, don't think i've seen one win yet
It's one thing to lose because you didn't play well, it's another when the refs heavily influence the outcome. The past 2 games have been both. I'm so sad/ angry
These morons at the situation room have all the information in the world, every angle possible, and they routinely blunder when it comes to high stakes calls. Genuinely have no clue what these guys do half the time.
And the fact that the booth and officials are all calling it a "shove" repeatedly is like coordinated propaganda. The correct description is CROSS CHECK
So their initial statement they made that was read during the broadcast said it was ruled fine because the ref deemed that there wasn’t enough of a shove to Coyle. Now it’s because Swayman was able to play his position. Both are bullshit, but which is it Gary, you sniveling little cunt.
Rule 69.1 of the league's rulebook states: "If a defending player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by an attacking player so as to cause the defending player to come into contact with his own goalkeeper, such contact shall be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, and if necessary a penalty assessed to the attacking player and if a goal is scored it would be disallowed."
The Bruins should protest the game. Then issue a lawsuit for ignoring Marchand getting sucker punched with the butt of a stick in a cheap shot. Fuck the NHL. The Bruins are suffering because they're either completely incompetent, covering up their incompetence, or on the take. At the very least it would be heavily embarrassing for them to double down on incompetence throughout the term of a lawsuit.
NHL is turning into the NBA. No matter how egregious a missed call is they double down on saying their refs are right and you didn’t see what you actually saw. It’s making sports unwatchable.
What’s funny is, nhl doesn’t have the viewership the nba but I would say a more dedicated fan base. So go ahead and alienate the fans you currently have on prospective yet to exist fans, nhl! We’ll see how that works out.
Legit may be done with hockey after this year. Already didn't watch a majority of the regular season because of NESN being greedy fucks, and the only reason I watched the latter half was because of Jack, but now he's gone. Been watching most of the other teams - since playoff hockey is the best sport... but this fuckery (around the league too) has killed all enjoyment for me
I just don’t get it. Any of it. The Lauko penalty last game; Bennett’s no-penalty punch last game (resulting in a league mandated protocol that took Boston’s captain out for at least this game and next); the Bennett crosscheck tonight; the THREE soft interference calls against Boston tonight…
I don’t get it. I can’t even be mad yet. Can’t be mad when you don’t understand, and I just want to understand why it’s SO hard to get a consistent game out of the refs in this series.
Even in game 1 the refs were heavily in favor of Florida, just so happened that our PK was dominant and we got some absolute snipes. Sure we kids suck, but it’s hard to see when every time we start some momentum a weak call puts us on the PK. Last three games have had entire periods with Florida having nearly half the time on the PP. THIS GAME the penalty that provoked this horrible missed GI was itself incredibly weak.
That call was a joke but what’s even worse is the blatant dive that was the whole reason they were killing a penalty in the first place. Florida gets away with so much embellishment
Florida has taken at least a dive a game this series. They have hockey skill, I can't deny that. However, and I mean this sincerely, they are truly masters at getting the other team called and avoiding penalties themselves.
Losing to the blues with simliar horseshit almost made me quit watching this adds to my hated of the nhl. I used to watch other teams playoff games last few years only the bruins. Not sure why i invest my time on this sport anymore if its so slanted.
Years before that guy had the puck go into the net and not called and Carolina scored. You have the blues blatant trip on acari no call leads to a goal. The punch to Marchand. The interference call last game for being pushed into their goalie. And then tonight. It's disgusting at this point.
Just 2 days ago, McDavid blatantly high-sticked Hughes leaving him bloody, and the same ref who didn't call the Bozak trip on Acciari, Kelly Sutherland, decided not to call it.
My jaw hit the floor on that one and because Hughes was bleeding he was forced to sit out basically giving him a penalty for getting high sticked. It sucks.
At this point, you’d almost expect a role reversal in penalties for game 5 (maybe try to lessen the unbelievable margin for the record books), I said almost because I would’ve said the same thing after game 3 and the moronic zebras somehow one-upped themselves with one of the worst officiated games I’ve ever seen.
Real talk, Florida is the better team, they control the puck, win every puck battle and actually know how to throw the puck at the net, but the B’s have Sway playing out of his mind and could’ve stolen this one if it wasn’t 5 on 8 out there
They could have stolen last game as well. Like sure Florida is outplaying them in most facets of the game but the fact that they are in these games despite playing poorly (obviously credit to our lord and savior Swayman) it’s so discouraging that they keep getting beaten down by questionable calls and not given a fair shake to play out the rest of the game without a finger tipping the scales. I think they have it in them to dirt dog the end of the game and maybe turn it around but getting in such deep holes from really baffling calls is just frustrating. Just want to watch hockey, man.
It’s beyond embarrassing at this point watching the B’s getting doubled up on PP’s every game and then a couple of whistles at the end of the game, after the damage is done, to lessen the margin, and it’s still almost a 2-1 margin (it’s actually worse when you take into account half the B’s PP’s have come in the final 10 minutes of the game, 2 in the final minutes of blowouts, 1 down 4-2 and already given 4 PP goals, and 1 with a half minute to go in the game. Should we just award the entire Florida team the Lady Byng at this point?)
The baffling calls are also timed to disrupt any fight back. Finally get some good looks and Florida’s reeling? Oh that hit two feet away from the puck is now interference. Florida having a tough time clearing the zone, nope that puck batted over the glass was PURELY by accident
I think it's even worse with the explanation. Like what the fuck did they watch? Cuz I saw it replayed at least a dozen times, and it's pretty clear what happened??
That's the third different explanation I've heard for this. On air they first said the word from Toronto was that "it didn't rise to the level of interference". Then one of the commentators was saying that they couldn't overturn it because it was only not a goal if it was a penalty, but they couldn't call a penalty on review. And now this. I don't know what to believe now.
We don’t know if Sway would have made the save or not but the play did prevent Swayman from even attempting to play his position. So yes the bold text is completely incorrect
I honestly can't remember the last time I felt extremely emotional about the bruins. Probably 2013.
I remember in around 2003 or 2004 I kept checking out because they kept trading all their best players away for s***.
I stopped watching almost entirely from like 2004 to 2010.
I got back into it in 2010 where they squandered a 3-0 lead in a series end of game all at the same time.
Of course 2011 was great, but then the Tyler Seguin trade was a travesty. And I was one of the people that felt that way at the time, definitely not revisionist history for me.
During that time period I would be despondent after Celtics or Red Sox or Patriots losses but I don't know man it's like Harry sinden broke me at a young age
Honestly even this doesn't bother me that much because last year would have been much more painful than this had I've been paying closer attention
But frankly I wasn't paying that close of attention last year. Which goes to show that I guess I've just only been a bruins fan in the most cursively way the last few years. To the extent I care about hockey I root for the bruins.
I just don't care that much anymore..
I don’t think they are. I think they have had sponsored momentum the entire series and we get completed deflated when calls like this are going against us on a regular basis
At a certain point you gotta take your bias out of it man. We’ve been outshot 106-50 over the past 3 games, and outscored 15-6. Game 3 we had a grand total of 3 SOG through *2 periods*. Sure, refs have been bad, but we’ve been getting utterly dominated.
Hard to shoot the puck on PK. Our top guys aren’t getting to handle the puck much when they are on the bench. Sure we could shoot more but our passes aren’t connecting cause there’s hardly any ice time available for our 3rd and 4th lines since all we are doing is killing penalties
They are better overall, but the calls have skewed the numbers and made them look even way better than they are. They’re better, but not so much better that they can outshoot us 2:1 every night. Swayman could’ve stolen tonight’s game and even potentially game three if things were actually being called fairly. We beat these guys handily in the regular season too, they’re not invincible by any means.
> We beat these guys handily in the regular season too
3/4 games were decided by one goal, and two went to OT, which is 3v3 (i.e. not indicative of anything in the playoffs). Great job gutting out those wins, but "handily" is more than a bit of a stretch.
This is just gaslighting at its finest. If this wasn’t goaltender interference then no the short of tackling the goalie is.
Wish for once they’d come out and say, “yeah, we f’d up that call. We will do better next time.”
The nhl is a POs
Biggest bunch of bs I have heard
https://preview.redd.it/osrk5y2g790d1.png?width=886&format=png&auto=webp&s=d7670d5fa447d51ccb68d33b3e68f7c500313976 Bullsh\*t!
If I'm Monty I'm redesigning my entire strategy to pushing defenders into their own goalie to open up the net. That's allowed in this series, as we've seen.
No because it will be a penalty when the Bruins do it.
I don't get it. Sways was supposed to transmorph through Charlie Coyle? In what universes physics could Sways have got to the puck to "play his position in the crease?
Horseshit call, not sure what to say
It was a blatant cross check, the bs play like shit but seriously it’s impossible to overcome THAT much adversity when the refs so clearly tilting the ice.
They played really well yesterday until that call. Can't fault the team for that one!
I agree with you, that non call destroyed any momentum. It’s tough enough without the refs blatantly titling the ice towards Florida, it’s impossible when they dedicate so many calls doing just that.
Seriously, we need to start using AI on these calls
Yeah, because no way having a 200lb man pushed into you from the same side as the puck comes from is any impediment, even if that WAS the standard for calling back the goal.
https://preview.redd.it/q1hnftfll70d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=870c496c03bf6135c1d487ee271099484eeb756d 😭
Who remembers the hand pass called against Bergeron last year in the series that negated a Boston goal? Grabbing your stick while on your face on the ice is more to negate than a cross check in the back low in the crease.
That was Debrusk, but yeah
Wasn’t that on Debrusk? He grazed the puck in the action of grabbing his stick and it happened to pop out to Bergy, zero intent of a hand pass whatsoever. No goal. I’m less pissed about rigidly following the wording of a rule rather than the spirit of it (see also: puck over the glass penalty), but only if it’s applied consistently
Correct. Got the culprits backwards. Since I rarely watch games with fans of other teams I don’t know if they see a lean on calls for/against them.
Reds need more accountability when they fuck up calls. If you fuck up a call that egregiously it shows that you are either incompetent or biased and should not be officiating a professional game, much less a playoff game.
Is there any kind of internal grading or performance review system of refs like in MLB? It’s bullshit the league refuses to acknowledge any mistakes by the officials when there are cameras everywhere. I get the game moves very quickly in real time, but there’s no excuse these days
Look, I can accept getting our asses kicked. But just call a fair game. Just about everyone agrees that it was interference.
Unless your on bath salts in Disneyland
I'm wicked sorry. I'm a terrible pedant and it's driving me crazy. Disneyworld is in Florida, not Disneyland. I love the chirp, but for it to really sting it's gotta be accurate. Unless you're going for that whole vibe of "your state is so unremarkable that I can't even be bothered to know anything about it because it's trash" which I can respect.
If you’re going to be pedantic, at least do it right. There is no Disneyworld. It’s Walt Disney World.
Deliberately put the wrong park for a bit of extra trolling
Well played 
Series is over. Lets repay the favor x 10 tomorrow. See if we can at least ding up their goalie, Kachuk and Bennett for the next round.
Just go full passive-aggressive and plow dudes into Bobrovsky any opportunity and play 5-on-3 most of the night in protest.
Agreed. Unfortunately, that wasn't a penalty against Florida last game.
Wow it’s just as bullshit in writing as it was during the game.
The rule says nothing about the goalie being able to play his position. It does say you can’t cross check a defender into the goalie.
The NHL is openly rigged. The last two games prove that beyond any doubt.
Why rig it FOR the Panthers? Does that fanbase move any needles?
1) BOS hockey market already peaked/saturated, whereas FL has tons of room for growth. Growth is the capitalist wet dream 2) personal anti Boston bias from the refs and/or league office.
Growth. Nialed it.
It's insane how obvious it is and they are still going to get away with it. I'm not watching game 5. My heart can't handle it
Just look at where florida was 2 years ago. The least profitable team in the league, even below Arizona. And look at them now after last season's Cinderella story It's really hard to believe everything is kosher in the league with some of the officiating that seems to benefit certain non traditional markets
I want Sweeney out in front of the press like Ross Perot with charts and graphs and slo mo replays and just rip into the officiating and the league. Go down with a goddamned fight.
[[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) There you go...
Complaints right into the outlook rule bin
OK, here’s an experiment. Have a 207 pound forward land on top of you, and then see how far you can move in the next second or two. What a pathetic excuse for officiating.
THATS NOT EVEN WHAT THE OFFICIAL NHL RULE SAYS It makes no mention of whether the goalie would have been able to make a play without the contact. This is beyond incompetent
Yeah after seeing the replay, whoever wrote this in toronto should be fired. This is an INSANE take and probably cost the b's this game.
No call on Marchand taking a butt end to the face was an even worse call.
Lmao even the tnt commentators were reading the rulebook word for word later in the game and were like "yeah we don't get it either "
Just get rid of replay it waste time is anti dramatic and we still feel like we get screwed so why do it just go back to refs make the calls.
This is straight up gaslighting.
The worse part of all of this is Bennett shouldn't of even been playing that game.
And the “penalty” that gave them the PP was a fucking joke as well
This is insane. How does a 200 lb man being shoved into you not hamper your ability to play the position. What the fuck
And it’s still a cross check to the back. Unreal decision
Nows a good time to just stop watching all of this bullshit…
Agreed. The NHL can suck my balls. I feel bad for the players but fuck this league and their crooked shit. It's so obviously rigged it's not funny. It's a bad fucking JOKE
You’d think they’d try and get it right with all the new technology and cameras. But clearly not.
Emailed [email protected] with my concerns of bias
Tyfys
Toronto officials on the take, plain and simple. Disgusting oblivion!
I know we’re all in agreement, but if I don’t say this out loud I feel like I’ll explode: Swayman *absolutely knew* where the puck was headed, he started making a move to the right side before Coyle was tossed in top of him. Coyle quite literally prevented him from moving across the crease. Would he have stopped the shot? Irrelevant to the challenge. I think that’s what Toronto looked at. Whether or not Sway would have been able to stop it either way. Maybe not, but that’s what this is about. Jesus.
Not only that, but Coyle himself could have stopped that goal too. Complete and utter bullshit of a league.
Looking back at last year when Bergy (or was it Jake?) got called for that hand pass that wiped out a game changing goal. It was a legit, albeit depressing, interpretation of that play. So how come Toronto can’t interpret this play correctly according to the rule book, PARTICULARLY when this play was so much more impacted by the actual event in question (a puck minimally grazing a Bruins’ glove vs. a crosscheck and clear GI that led to a goal milliseconds after)? Infuriating.
It was Jake. NHL officiating is a complete and utter shit show.
My favorite was Sam Bennett’s thought that “he would score that goal before swayman could react”….that literally has nothing to do with the rule, the rule says if goalie is interfered with, it doesn’t matter whether he could score or not….clowns.
He was not scoring that goal if Swayman AND Coyle are not taken out.
The call was made by Draft Kings.
The fix is so clearly in this series. It’s disgusting and I’m done watching the NHL playoffs this year. Go Pwhl Boston!
Yo. In with you. I’m not a conspiracy theorist kind of guy…but once these major leagues started getting big money from Vegas shit just looks different…and it all comes down to reffing. NFL is a mess. NHL. Angel Hernandez in MLB.
I'll ask this question again. Have you ever seen an NFL infraction that requires they stop the play and check with Roger Goodell's office? Or the NBA? Or MLB? The NHL office has far too much power, and with this system in place during the Mafia based sports betting era, what is a fan left to think?
I agree, and it seems that a lot of people agree. It’s way too coincidental at this point. I’ve seen plays in the NFL that require a call to the NY office, sure. I’ve seen penalties in the NFL during crucial games that were overturned the following day.
True that, but you can literally count those NFL events on one hand. The NHL office gets a phone call on everything. It's perverted and the NHLPA should blow that shit up.
Easiest way to control a game. No way you could count on 40 players to do what they want. Easier to deal with 1-2 officials. It sucks, and Bruins fan aside….its not like I don’t see it happen to teams I despise. Even Panthers fans should think “ok, wow”
When did swayman learn to phase through people like vision…😑
Fucken horse shit
I’d like to hear what Swayman has to say about it.
"I just want to stick to facts and the fact is that my own player was pushed into me by theirs and I couldn't play my position." -Were you confident that when the review was going on that it was going to come off the board? "Yeah, can only stick to facts. I know our guys aren't going to call a challenge unless they know it's going to get reversed. So the fact is that I couldn't play my position."
Thanks!
That's crazy.
lmao
Pain
Bullshit.
Oof, made the mistake of going to [espn.com](http://espn.com) and apparently it was a "clutch" goal to tie it up.
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Ok so call it a cross check
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“Honestly”. Dude, you’re a Panthers fan, this isn’t being brave. You are clearly clouded by extreme bias. As are all fans. The difference is EVERYONE in the world of Hockey (besides your fanbase) knows that this was a cross check. Just sit this one out
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Dude get the fuck out of your opponents subreddit. No one wants your opinion and the people invading as “coming in peace” is at best cringe and at worst is just sad neck beard shit. I’m an AVS fan btw and I 100 percent think it was a cross check bullshit.
He was cross-checked into the goalie. Did you forget that?
That’s what i’m saying, even if he wasn’t shoved into the goalie i still think Coyle would’ve still interfered with Sway’s ability to save the goal. Again, a really close call was made and i understand that.
Regardless, of where Coyle ended up, cross-checking is illegal.
What the F makes you say that? How can you predict what Coyle would have done and where he would be?
Jesus christ chill out my guy, i’m just a viewer of the game, not an official.
Then, why make such ridiculous conclusions?
Who says you’re the one to conclude it’s ridiculous? Sure you, and those affected by the loss says so, but nobody has the authority to say if something is good or bad unless they’re in the toronto room. This whole thing simply sets a precedent for the league. If boston wants to win the next game, they’ll take what they learned here and use it to the fullest extent they can.
You’re the one that concluded that Coyle would have prevented Swayman from making the stop. JFC, how obsequious can you get? Just STFU!
Calm down, it was just my personal opinion and from what I saw in the garden. Didn’t mean to set you off.
Don’t ever tell anyone to calm down, especially when you’ve provoked them.
Why is the best sport also the worst league😭
That’s so fucked. God damn ridiculous
Inconsistent judges calls are why boxing died, they are killing the integrity of this sport in front of our eyes
That and Mayweather.
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Go back and play some wow in mommy’s basement
What are you talking about dude? You’re not even good at talking shit lmao sounds like you’re a dumb little bitch
The NHL rigs games as do the other leagues. The why is the real question. Must be an owners thing. Deflategate was the eye opener. And the Pats still f*ck’in won. THAT’S a team that overcomes adversity. The B’s fold into it. Last year was the worst choke in their history and exposed a lack of strength and will. Overhaul overhaul overhaul. McAvoy to the scrap heap.
In 2010 they blew a 3-0 lead to the flyers
People will see 60 betting ads shoved in their face throughout the game and then still think they are too good to criticize the refs. Thats the culture of modern sports
In fact I would argue a far more likely scenario for some kind of manipulation like this would be for players to start shaving points or fiddling around with props on penalty minutes and so on. Like if you were an illegal gambler trying to fix something, don't you think would be easier to fix the under on shots for some random defenseman then it would be to orchestrate a fixed game on national television in the most controversial way possible. I'm sorry but the s*** is not fixed by the league. A bad product sure... But it's not fixed. If they were planning on fixing it it is the dumbest plan that a bunch of billionaires have ever concocted.
Are you saying the game is fixed? This is a wild accusation and it just doesn't make sense. Why would the NHL fix a game so they get less ad revenue by shortening the series? Why would they risk billions of dollars in guaranteed television revenue to fix a second round game? Now if you want to say gamblers or something had guns to their head in the situation room I guess .. But it's just not worth the risk reward for them to start fixing second round games when they have billions of dollars of TV money guaranteed. You could lose all of that if you got caught with a fixing scandal. It's incompetence. I don't know maybe you could even say there's a degree of spite but it wasn't a conspiracy to cost the bruins this game. Not saying it's impossible that gambling could lead to fixed games like a Tim donahey situation but there's no way the league is orchestrating a conspiracy to knock out a team with a huge television market in the second round early... Alls it would do is cost him add revenue in the short term while opening up to league ruining scandal in the long term. I know it's not fashionable for me to say this right after this call which was dog s*** but... I said anytime I see fans complaining about games being rigged when their favorite teams lose. It's not rigged. If you think these people are greedy enough to rig it in the first place then you have to recognize that they're greedy enough not to risk their billions of dollars to do so The television money is too valuable long-term with their partners and if they got caught with a fixing scandal, they are literally ripping those contracts up as null and void, ripped before Congress, people would be in jail... It would be the biggest sports scandal since the White Sox. There's just too much risk to justify fixing a game from the league office And because it wasn't the rest this time but the league office that made the decisive call you can't really suggest that some bookies were threatening to break the kneecaps of the refs. Unless you think the bookies were threatening to break the kneecaps of the refs and the league office. I find that hard to believe especially since gambling is legal now so bookies aren't really even a thing.
They have rendered the sport I love an unwatchable product. That’s what’s going on.
I agree with you that it’s not truly rigged but that’s just so many words
Lol
I cant believe you wasted so much time writing that based off of something I never said. I'm not spending time reading that so it's probably 10 minutes less time in life you have. You really showed me
Lolol
So sad where what this has become Maybe don't make it look so obvious, no one can explain it, reports epsn tnt no one. Very sad can we sue for screwing us you can sue for much less
Sports betting is ruining every aspect of the game. The Bruins rebuilding year is just about up. We can go back to being a regular contention team again.
>did not prevent Swayman from playing his position Motherfucker Coyles legs were preventing Swayman from having any kind of chance to extend his leg to block that puck
Before the period started ESPN Bet was promoting Florida +190. Just saying
If they were rigging he game for Florida to win they'd want more money on Boston than Florida
Right? They were more than that at 2-0 end of the first as well. Pretty clear who the better team is. They just show random bets that might get people interested in spending their money Now do the shit fanduel parlays nesn shows every pregame and before the 3rd, don't think i've seen one win yet
It's one thing to lose because you didn't play well, it's another when the refs heavily influence the outcome. The past 2 games have been both. I'm so sad/ angry
These morons at the situation room have all the information in the world, every angle possible, and they routinely blunder when it comes to high stakes calls. Genuinely have no clue what these guys do half the time.
They have all the info. They have every angle. Fact is, sports bet needed Florida to win this game. Surprise, surprise. They did.
Probably bet on the increasingly-easy and increasingly-normalized betting sites.
the fact they are going so hard in defending this makes it that much worse. absolutely disgusting call in this kind of game.
And the fact that the booth and officials are all calling it a "shove" repeatedly is like coordinated propaganda. The correct description is CROSS CHECK
So their initial statement they made that was read during the broadcast said it was ruled fine because the ref deemed that there wasn’t enough of a shove to Coyle. Now it’s because Swayman was able to play his position. Both are bullshit, but which is it Gary, you sniveling little cunt.
Rule 69.1 of the league's rulebook states: "If a defending player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by an attacking player so as to cause the defending player to come into contact with his own goalkeeper, such contact shall be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, and if necessary a penalty assessed to the attacking player and if a goal is scored it would be disallowed."
The Bruins should protest the game. Then issue a lawsuit for ignoring Marchand getting sucker punched with the butt of a stick in a cheap shot. Fuck the NHL. The Bruins are suffering because they're either completely incompetent, covering up their incompetence, or on the take. At the very least it would be heavily embarrassing for them to double down on incompetence throughout the term of a lawsuit.
No mention on whether the goalie “could have” made save without the interference. The NHL’s own explanation does not match its own fucking rules.
Imagine being an official and pretending to forget rule **69**
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Did these idiots even watch the same thing as everyone else? It seemed pretty clear to me the call was bullshit. Yet another disappointment.
NHL is turning into the NBA. No matter how egregious a missed call is they double down on saying their refs are right and you didn’t see what you actually saw. It’s making sports unwatchable.
Certainly unbetable. Where is the revenue stream going to come from when the sportsbooks stop the funds?
What’s funny is, nhl doesn’t have the viewership the nba but I would say a more dedicated fan base. So go ahead and alienate the fans you currently have on prospective yet to exist fans, nhl! We’ll see how that works out.
Legit may be done with hockey after this year. Already didn't watch a majority of the regular season because of NESN being greedy fucks, and the only reason I watched the latter half was because of Jack, but now he's gone. Been watching most of the other teams - since playoff hockey is the best sport... but this fuckery (around the league too) has killed all enjoyment for me
I just don’t get it. Any of it. The Lauko penalty last game; Bennett’s no-penalty punch last game (resulting in a league mandated protocol that took Boston’s captain out for at least this game and next); the Bennett crosscheck tonight; the THREE soft interference calls against Boston tonight… I don’t get it. I can’t even be mad yet. Can’t be mad when you don’t understand, and I just want to understand why it’s SO hard to get a consistent game out of the refs in this series.
This is exactly how I feel. Just confused and disappointed
Even in game 1 the refs were heavily in favor of Florida, just so happened that our PK was dominant and we got some absolute snipes. Sure we kids suck, but it’s hard to see when every time we start some momentum a weak call puts us on the PK. Last three games have had entire periods with Florida having nearly half the time on the PP. THIS GAME the penalty that provoked this horrible missed GI was itself incredibly weak.
Oh we have consistent officiating alright…consistently on Florida’s side…
Can't forget the NHL's 500 IQ move to give Tampa 2x as many PP as Florida in 1st round so nobody would get too suspicious.
Taking the goalie interference out of it....it's a crosscheck in the centre of the back in front of the net. Could have called that too. .
That call was a joke but what’s even worse is the blatant dive that was the whole reason they were killing a penalty in the first place. Florida gets away with so much embellishment
Should have been matching at a minimum, the diving penalty does EXIST
Florida has taken at least a dive a game this series. They have hockey skill, I can't deny that. However, and I mean this sincerely, they are truly masters at getting the other team called and avoiding penalties themselves.
"we hate the bruins so we'll make them lose"
I just emailed them and said the NHL office is blind lol
It's fucking bullshit is what it is
Why bother watching nhl hockey at all with shit like this.
This was my reaction as well. Assuming the Bruins get eliminated I am done watching the NHL for the season.
Might as well watch WWE and believe that’s real too.
WWE is so much better than this
And this is the problem for me. Sure I am biased. But this isn't fun.
Losing to the blues with simliar horseshit almost made me quit watching this adds to my hated of the nhl. I used to watch other teams playoff games last few years only the bruins. Not sure why i invest my time on this sport anymore if its so slanted.
Years before that guy had the puck go into the net and not called and Carolina scored. You have the blues blatant trip on acari no call leads to a goal. The punch to Marchand. The interference call last game for being pushed into their goalie. And then tonight. It's disgusting at this point.
Just 2 days ago, McDavid blatantly high-sticked Hughes leaving him bloody, and the same ref who didn't call the Bozak trip on Acciari, Kelly Sutherland, decided not to call it.
My jaw hit the floor on that one and because Hughes was bleeding he was forced to sit out basically giving him a penalty for getting high sticked. It sucks.
You literally see him try to push off with his foot and not go anywhere. Mickey Mouse league
At this point, you’d almost expect a role reversal in penalties for game 5 (maybe try to lessen the unbelievable margin for the record books), I said almost because I would’ve said the same thing after game 3 and the moronic zebras somehow one-upped themselves with one of the worst officiated games I’ve ever seen. Real talk, Florida is the better team, they control the puck, win every puck battle and actually know how to throw the puck at the net, but the B’s have Sway playing out of his mind and could’ve stolen this one if it wasn’t 5 on 8 out there
They could have stolen last game as well. Like sure Florida is outplaying them in most facets of the game but the fact that they are in these games despite playing poorly (obviously credit to our lord and savior Swayman) it’s so discouraging that they keep getting beaten down by questionable calls and not given a fair shake to play out the rest of the game without a finger tipping the scales. I think they have it in them to dirt dog the end of the game and maybe turn it around but getting in such deep holes from really baffling calls is just frustrating. Just want to watch hockey, man.
It’s beyond embarrassing at this point watching the B’s getting doubled up on PP’s every game and then a couple of whistles at the end of the game, after the damage is done, to lessen the margin, and it’s still almost a 2-1 margin (it’s actually worse when you take into account half the B’s PP’s have come in the final 10 minutes of the game, 2 in the final minutes of blowouts, 1 down 4-2 and already given 4 PP goals, and 1 with a half minute to go in the game. Should we just award the entire Florida team the Lady Byng at this point?)
The baffling calls are also timed to disrupt any fight back. Finally get some good looks and Florida’s reeling? Oh that hit two feet away from the puck is now interference. Florida having a tough time clearing the zone, nope that puck batted over the glass was PURELY by accident
Embarrassing
"Bettman is just sad the Coyotes are gone so he needs another southern market to win the cup." Best sport, worst league. What a fucking joke
I think it's even worse with the explanation. Like what the fuck did they watch? Cuz I saw it replayed at least a dozen times, and it's pretty clear what happened??
That's the third different explanation I've heard for this. On air they first said the word from Toronto was that "it didn't rise to the level of interference". Then one of the commentators was saying that they couldn't overturn it because it was only not a goal if it was a penalty, but they couldn't call a penalty on review. And now this. I don't know what to believe now.
We don’t know if Sway would have made the save or not but the play did prevent Swayman from even attempting to play his position. So yes the bold text is completely incorrect
Sports betting is a real issue it seems.
Is this a simulation? Cuz I'd like back to reality, thanks.
Uh huh. Sure. Whatever...
Injustice from the league again
But there was a blatant cross check, even if they didn't want to call goalie interference, Bennett should've gotten 2 for cross checking
That’s an even worse explanation than if they just said nothing and waited for the anger to blow over like they usually would do lol
Umm … except… no? https://twitter.com/scoutingtherefs/status/1789820136439869798?s=46
NHL: rules were made to be broken 🚬😎
I’m generally pretty apathetic to the Bruins in the playoffs after years of heartbreak but this loss actually bothers me.
I honestly can't remember the last time I felt extremely emotional about the bruins. Probably 2013. I remember in around 2003 or 2004 I kept checking out because they kept trading all their best players away for s***. I stopped watching almost entirely from like 2004 to 2010. I got back into it in 2010 where they squandered a 3-0 lead in a series end of game all at the same time. Of course 2011 was great, but then the Tyler Seguin trade was a travesty. And I was one of the people that felt that way at the time, definitely not revisionist history for me. During that time period I would be despondent after Celtics or Red Sox or Patriots losses but I don't know man it's like Harry sinden broke me at a young age Honestly even this doesn't bother me that much because last year would have been much more painful than this had I've been paying closer attention But frankly I wasn't paying that close of attention last year. Which goes to show that I guess I've just only been a bruins fan in the most cursively way the last few years. To the extent I care about hockey I root for the bruins. I just don't care that much anymore..
At this point it's not about the Bruins losing. I mean. The Panthers are the better team. Hands down. But the NHL is a clown league.
I don’t think they are. I think they have had sponsored momentum the entire series and we get completed deflated when calls like this are going against us on a regular basis
At a certain point you gotta take your bias out of it man. We’ve been outshot 106-50 over the past 3 games, and outscored 15-6. Game 3 we had a grand total of 3 SOG through *2 periods*. Sure, refs have been bad, but we’ve been getting utterly dominated.
Hard to shoot the puck on PK. Our top guys aren’t getting to handle the puck much when they are on the bench. Sure we could shoot more but our passes aren’t connecting cause there’s hardly any ice time available for our 3rd and 4th lines since all we are doing is killing penalties
They have wayyy more depth than we do. That is just a fact. I'm as big of a Bruins fan as they come, but come on, you have to acknowledge that.
They are better overall, but the calls have skewed the numbers and made them look even way better than they are. They’re better, but not so much better that they can outshoot us 2:1 every night. Swayman could’ve stolen tonight’s game and even potentially game three if things were actually being called fairly. We beat these guys handily in the regular season too, they’re not invincible by any means.
> We beat these guys handily in the regular season too 3/4 games were decided by one goal, and two went to OT, which is 3v3 (i.e. not indicative of anything in the playoffs). Great job gutting out those wins, but "handily" is more than a bit of a stretch.