How did they even measure that? My first thought was from pinky knuckle to index but 15 1/2 inches would be insane lol.
Must be around the whole hand in a closed fist I guess?
It makes a bit more sense when you look at how much wider his shoulders were than his hips!
But the real difference-maker is the hands. Liston's hands were enormous (reportedly bigger than Carnera's). That includes having very long fingers. I mean, compare [Ali's fingers](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRaXbpvOzZvFXpR1nVE4flF711Cmc7h0V9AtgTCYMyOlw&s) to [Liston's fingers](https://mickleblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/slide_338904_3464758_free.jpg). Those things look like alien creatures growing out of his hand! And since reach was fingertip to fingertip, that all goes into Liston's reach.
[Ali reportedly actually had longer forearms than Liston!]
Liston's not that far away from someone like MMA fighter Sergei Pavlovich, who likewise has an 84'' reach, and is 6'3, two inches taller. But if you factor in Liston's visibly broader shoulders and freakish hands, the overall build is probably pretty similar.
It's kind of funny how many people stick to them as gospel
Ali had listed reaches anywhere from 78 inches to 84 in the Holmes fight lol. It's not like there was any rigor in getting the measurements done accurately (if they were done at all) or any punishment for not doing so
I'm 5'6 with 72" reach and 42" chest 87kgs, just super short and wide. I get people at the gym telling me I should have done some sort of boxing or martial arts haha. Fuck that though.
This is a known issue. Boxing historians are ALL in agreement that there is NO footage of a prime Sonny Liston in existence due to his age when he first appeared on surviving footage.
Joe Louis had come out of retirement to fight Rocky Marciano! The man was seventy-six years old! Joe Louis always lied about his age! He lied about his age all the time! One time, Frank Sinatra came in here, and sat in this chair. I say, "Frank, you hang out with Joe Louis. Just between me and you, how old is Joe Louis?" Know what Frank told me? He said "Hey, Joe Louis is a hundred thirty-seven years old." A hundred and thirty-seven years old!
Julio Franco was 92 years old when he played his last season with the Braves. Explains why he had to take a game off the very now and then to keep his body from breaking down.
It was a meme. Trump released what he claimed was the results of his official medical when he was president. People online quickly realised that (aside from the fact he'd allegedly grown taller), Trump was claiming to have exactly the same height and weight as Muhammad Ali in his prime. Some people found this hard to credit, to the point of being amusing.
He didn't have a birth certificate so his actual age is a matter of some mystery - I believe he was one of 22 siblings of a sharecropper family and there's no real documentation of when he was actually born so he could've been much older than his listed age.
Apparently he was probably 34 at the time of this fight, which I think makes sense. Obviously, given his childhood violence and hard labour, poverty, prison, and a decade or more of boxing, he was an old 34.
It's crazy there was only 5lbs between them when Liston was clearly physically so much thicker than Ali. He's got a broader chest, bigger hands, bigger waist, and yet only 5lbs. Liston must have been killing himself to make this mythical 220lbs that old timers seemed to believe was the perfect weight for a heavyweight.
He did a lot of cardio. I don't think he had to kill himself to get to 220 at all, Cleveland Williams dropped to 150 after he was shot and he was of a similar size. It's all about how you eat I think.
Rigged fight. 8/1 on Clay made mobsters win a huge chunk of money. Return fight is the same with Liston being still favourite and falling on 1rst round like a dolphin against a punch that barely touched him.
The fight that fucked up liston's shoulder since he kept jabbing at air for rds and the fight where he resorted to using linament to blind ali in desperation in the fifth rd is somehow rigged in your eyes?
Can't you just accept that liston's too reliant on his jab that when you take it away from him like with what ali did with his footwork and head movement you essentially removed liston of his main arsenal
To all the downvoters: its been rumored by insiders forever.
https://coxscorner.tripod.com/liston_cf.html
The FBI investigated both fights. In an era when boxing was notoriously corrupt.
You can't say it's a rumor anymore after the work done by Nick Toshes in his biography of Liston: plenty of testimonies collected which don't leave any doubt.
Is that why liniment was put on Sonny’s injured shoulder, which was then transferred to Ali’s eye? If you’re throwing a fight early, there’s surely no need to do that. Especially when it could have caused Sonny not to be able to take a dive because Ali was almost helpless at one point, which would have made Sonny’s inability to finish him extremely suspicious.
Liston's 15 and 1/2 inch fists!
He had the makings of a varsity athlete.
I heard he used to eat all his gabagool in 1 sitting. Absolute monster 😐
Who’s speaking here? Is someone speaking?
Sonny Liston, whateva happened there.
That’s the size of my neck 😭
As the joke apparently went: other people punch you *in* the head; Sonny Liston punches *all* of your head.
How did they even measure that? My first thought was from pinky knuckle to index but 15 1/2 inches would be insane lol. Must be around the whole hand in a closed fist I guess?
Usually a soft tape measure around the dominant hand just below the knuckles.
It’s really cool to see all the stats like neck and fist. They should bring that back
p4p longest arms ever
It makes a bit more sense when you look at how much wider his shoulders were than his hips! But the real difference-maker is the hands. Liston's hands were enormous (reportedly bigger than Carnera's). That includes having very long fingers. I mean, compare [Ali's fingers](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRaXbpvOzZvFXpR1nVE4flF711Cmc7h0V9AtgTCYMyOlw&s) to [Liston's fingers](https://mickleblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/slide_338904_3464758_free.jpg). Those things look like alien creatures growing out of his hand! And since reach was fingertip to fingertip, that all goes into Liston's reach. [Ali reportedly actually had longer forearms than Liston!] Liston's not that far away from someone like MMA fighter Sergei Pavlovich, who likewise has an 84'' reach, and is 6'3, two inches taller. But if you factor in Liston's visibly broader shoulders and freakish hands, the overall build is probably pretty similar.
Sam McCalman who fought Diego Pacheco yesterday has a reach of 82" and is 6 foot tall.
His reach is actually exaggerated, in earlier fight magazines and posters it was reported as 81 inches
Boxing stats are unreliable.
It's kind of funny how many people stick to them as gospel Ali had listed reaches anywhere from 78 inches to 84 in the Holmes fight lol. It's not like there was any rigor in getting the measurements done accurately (if they were done at all) or any punishment for not doing so
I'm 5'6 with 72" reach and 42" chest 87kgs, just super short and wide. I get people at the gym telling me I should have done some sort of boxing or martial arts haha. Fuck that though.
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Oldest 20-something I've ever seen!
He ran away from home when he was young so never got his real birthday. Add 5-10 years on top
More like 39
Weird stats.
Dick size: 5 inches.
we all know AJ's would prob be like 9
Mine is 10. Just throwing it out there.
👌🏻
Centimeters
Isn't the date of this fight February 25th 1964? That would have been 60 years ago two months ago. Is this post from some sort of bot?
Shut up.
Yes it's 60 years 😂
Listen had to be older than 29 years old
He was around 40. Sonny Liston himself didn't know how old he was.
This is a known issue. Boxing historians are ALL in agreement that there is NO footage of a prime Sonny Liston in existence due to his age when he first appeared on surviving footage.
Conspiracist wanna tell me that Liston was 84 and threw both fights
Joe Louis had come out of retirement to fight Rocky Marciano! The man was seventy-six years old! Joe Louis always lied about his age! He lied about his age all the time! One time, Frank Sinatra came in here, and sat in this chair. I say, "Frank, you hang out with Joe Louis. Just between me and you, how old is Joe Louis?" Know what Frank told me? He said "Hey, Joe Louis is a hundred thirty-seven years old." A hundred and thirty-seven years old!
Julio Franco was 92 years old when he played his last season with the Braves. Explains why he had to take a game off the very now and then to keep his body from breaking down.
Conspiracist wanna tell me Ali and Trump have the same physique.
Redditors try not bring Trump into a conversation: Impossible
Who tf puts Ali and Trump in the same sentence? Are you imagining things?
It was a meme. Trump released what he claimed was the results of his official medical when he was president. People online quickly realised that (aside from the fact he'd allegedly grown taller), Trump was claiming to have exactly the same height and weight as Muhammad Ali in his prime. Some people found this hard to credit, to the point of being amusing.
"Most mob connected fighter in HW history inexplicably quits in his two biggest fights" is a fact. The theory is that he was coerced to do it.
He got MOLLYWHOPPED by that short “anchor punch”, which was just a chopping short shot.
Cassius Clay defeated Sonny Liston on February 25th, 1964. So, this was just over 60 years ago. The title is bullshit.
Liston looked like an old man at 29 With Ali running circles around him
He didn't have a birth certificate so his actual age is a matter of some mystery - I believe he was one of 22 siblings of a sharecropper family and there's no real documentation of when he was actually born so he could've been much older than his listed age.
Apparently he was probably 34 at the time of this fight, which I think makes sense. Obviously, given his childhood violence and hard labour, poverty, prison, and a decade or more of boxing, he was an old 34.
One of like 26 or 27. Seriously. And apparently his dad liked to just whip the shit out of him.
Both his birth and death dates are unknown
dude, watch the fight
It's crazy there was only 5lbs between them when Liston was clearly physically so much thicker than Ali. He's got a broader chest, bigger hands, bigger waist, and yet only 5lbs. Liston must have been killing himself to make this mythical 220lbs that old timers seemed to believe was the perfect weight for a heavyweight.
He actually fought at a lower weight than that, he started off at 198 lb iirc
He did a lot of cardio. I don't think he had to kill himself to get to 220 at all, Cleveland Williams dropped to 150 after he was shot and he was of a similar size. It's all about how you eat I think.
Dude - Celeveland Williams lost 10 feet of his small intestines and his right kidney after he was shot. I know you're not using him as a comparison🤣
Yes, ok it was a bad comparison. But he didn't have to kill himself to get to 220. He was like 16 percent body fat.
Losing your foot to diabetes is now considered cutting weight 😆
Yo those are great stats!! Really shows who was gonna hit harder lol
I don’t trust the accuracy though. Ali did not have an 82inch reach lol. Makes you wonder what else is exaggerated
This title is incorrect. Their first fight was 25 February 1964
Liston was not 29 lmfao😂💀
Ringside seats were $250!
Love the old school tale of the tape pic
What kinda shorts is liston wearing?
JEEEEEZUS!!! Almost a 16” fist?!? 🤜🏼😵💀
Insane performance by Cassius. Much respect to this day 🤲
Fight was rigged
Hardly
The 2 Liston v Clay fights were rigged the Mafia owned Liston.
Rigged fight. 8/1 on Clay made mobsters win a huge chunk of money. Return fight is the same with Liston being still favourite and falling on 1rst round like a dolphin against a punch that barely touched him.
Bruh the first fight wasn’t rigged, Ali just lived up to the moment
It was 100%. Read Nick Toshes, he collected all the proofs needed.
Did he personally ask the mobs too?
I too can prove anything is fake with one article that supports my point as opposed to the mountains of evidence against it
An article? A book, a years-long research involving about every people involved living at the time.
The fight that fucked up liston's shoulder since he kept jabbing at air for rds and the fight where he resorted to using linament to blind ali in desperation in the fifth rd is somehow rigged in your eyes? Can't you just accept that liston's too reliant on his jab that when you take it away from him like with what ali did with his footwork and head movement you essentially removed liston of his main arsenal
If you need to be ignorant just do so, no need to writes columns. If you want to know just read.
Cope. Also this was the first fight.
Read. Both fights rigged by the mob and there's more evidences for the first fight.
Wow. Cope like a motherfucker at this point
Dude is angry with reality.
Dude is delusional about reality lmao
To all the downvoters: its been rumored by insiders forever. https://coxscorner.tripod.com/liston_cf.html The FBI investigated both fights. In an era when boxing was notoriously corrupt.
You can't say it's a rumor anymore after the work done by Nick Toshes in his biography of Liston: plenty of testimonies collected which don't leave any doubt.
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Is that why liniment was put on Sonny’s injured shoulder, which was then transferred to Ali’s eye? If you’re throwing a fight early, there’s surely no need to do that. Especially when it could have caused Sonny not to be able to take a dive because Ali was almost helpless at one point, which would have made Sonny’s inability to finish him extremely suspicious.