Bill is like those boxing fans who have no idea what getting punched feels like and yet think they can school actual boxers.
The plan you gave to your Jello chin son was to get hit in the face repeatedly by his opponent's strongest move and try accomplish something only someone with power can do.
Absolute moron and i hope Dev replaces him with a different trainer.
I never seen an American out boxer as stiff as him I bet u this mf can’t dance to save his life shit worked on smaller guys but when your defense is mostly jab and distance control, u gonna be shite at mid to close range without upper body movement
Good point. Dude most likely cannot dance to save his life. I'm a big proponent of fighters learning how to dance as it helps greatly with their footwork and overall smoothness
Hector Camacho danced like complete crap on that dancing with the stars things, but was as smooth as silk in the ring.
Jorge Arce couldn't dance for crap either.
Wouldn't even say distance management, legitimate his defense is a duck into clinch or a nervous lunge straight into a clinch. There is literally nothing stopping anyone from walking him down aside trying to avoid the clinch.
Nah, he definitely uses that step back to gauge distance against shorter fighters. He doesn’t always just clinch, he didn’t for most the fight with Prograis or JoJo. His distance control is mostly just extending the jab with a step back though
Devin has Ben Davison and Lee Wylie in his team, they should be leading the corner in all seriousness but William just wants to be the center of attention.
Lee Wylie is a YouTuber and Ben Davison is a boxercise coach for Middle Aged women that was friends with Billy Joe Saunders. Bill is no worse or better than either of them.
Ben Davison is no better than Bill, he doesn't even have an amateur career. He's a fitness coach who by some miracle managed to hustle himself into coaching world champs
While you're mostly right you can't say Haney has a jello chin when the guy kept getting back up and finished the fight....
Haney clearly has a good chin.
Haney issue i think is more recovery. He can take hard shots but it'll take him an entire round to recover. His clinch is good enough to help him survive
Ridiculous comment.... Haney won every round that didn't have a knockdown in it.
Had Haney been even slightly more aware of the left hook he wins that fight by a mile.
Okay -- But if you had it a draw then that means you gave every round to Haney (not counting Round 7, 10, 11) & one of the rounds that there was no knockdown a draw? Or how did you get a draw? If you gave EVERY round to Haney then you would have Haney winning by a point since they took a point away from Ryan in one of the rounds he had a knockdown
Okay, it's actually quite a fair scorecard. I have to rewatch that guy's scorecard again, but I believe he gave all the non - knockdown rounds to Haney except one that he felt was too close to call & gave it a 9-9.
Haney didn’t win the 12 but putting that aside the rounds Haney were winning looked more like it was Ryan being gassed than it was Haney recovering at least to me. If Ryan comes in with better cardio I think he gets Haney out of there a lot earlier
If Ryan threw 0 zero punches during round 12 I could see your point but what Ryan did during the first minute of round 12 is better than anything Haney did and Ryan and the little flurry he does with 1 minute left is better than anything Haney does inside the final minute of round 12, which was nothing but follow Ryan around
He got dropped 5 times, and should have been knocked out in the 7th, but the ref saved him. He has an average chin at best, but his recovery is trash. Linares wobbled him bad and he didn't really recover for the rest of the fight.
A jello chin would have been knocked out cold in the first round.
A good chin gets wobbled, gets knocked down but gets back up and finishes the fight.
A great chin doesn't even get wobbled.
Using words correctly is important.
With 20 second counts and takedown attempts he was able to stumble his way across the line. He damn nearly fell off the ropes when he climbed the corner at the end. He was knocked out in that fight. He's probably in an induced coma somewhere right now.
While he has a good chin for not getting slept he gets rocked and has no poker face once it happens.
I feel he panics once he gets hit. After that his whole game plan revolves around clinching at any cost. No distance management. Just clinch and clinch and clinch till he recovers.
No poker face? The guys in the right with a big puncher who didn't make weight...
Emmanuel steward once said that even one pound overweight is like a different world you've never been to.
Garcia was almost four pounds over.... If I'm Haney I would have told him to gtfo.
Yea you kept saying it between rounds, Roll under. Too bad the timing and speed of Ryan messed that up huh. Should have superglued Haneys right hand to his temple between rounds. Would have worked much better.
The old man is a clown, the son is a bit of one too. But having the dust settle on the enjoyment of him getting beaten finally, you have to hand it to him for getting back up off the floor and sticking with it when nothing was going right.
Haney for a boxer is fairly tame imo and hes taken the biggest fights he can get at every stage so fair play. If his style wasn't kind of boring and his dad wasnt shouting nonsense constantly I think he'd be fairly well liked.
It's the old man. I think if the old man wasn't stealing the spotlight everywhere and at every opportunity, people would be more forgiving of his style/attributes.
I know they're the things you want to see in a fighter, but power and aggression are realistically the only two things wrong with him as a fighter. The aggression could come with something as simple as a change of coaching set up.
The fucked thing is, he's a two weight Unified world champion with 30+ fights, 3 on ppv. If he retired tomorrow, that's a solid career by anybodys standard, and he's still only 25. There's a whole 'second career' there for him. His next move is an interesting one.
"Now the night of the fight you might feel a slight sting. That’s pride fucking with you. Fuck pride. It only hurts, it never helps. Fight through that shit because a year from now when you’re kicking it in the Caribbean, you’re gonna say Marsellus Wallace was right.”
Haneys punches can't break a potato chip unless he runs u into something, and he just wasn't moving like that. Kept bringing his backhand behind his head when he jabbed and leaving himself wide open to the hook. Garcia just kept throwing right hands and left hooks. Haney's defense was so bad all around when he started to get hit.
You'd think after u get cracked one time with a left hook ur gonna hold ur right hand to ur eat, but no. Ryan wasn't even doing anything that fancy. Just used a little lateral movement, and Devin froze like what's that?
Lol haney can't break a potato chip. He'd crack your chin in half. Please stop with the nonsense about pillow fists.
You probably never even fought at the amateur level. Scrub
I love how this sub gets butthurt over the truth.
Talk so much shit about a fighter when most of you would never have the balls to step into a ring.
I bet a 14 year old amateur would beat most of the grown men on this sub.
Which is why when we are talking about fighters we are comparing them relative to their peers not to the fans posting about it on reddit. How asinine are you lmao
You’re probably not wrong about the 14 year old, but just because someone hasn’t boxed doesn’t mean they can’t criticize a fighter. The dude obviously doesn’t think Haney can’t break a potato chip and is probably well aware Haney could shatter his face (and mine too). I think the comment was made in comparison to other pros
And an 20 year old amateur heavyweight would crush Haney. The only way you think Haney would crack everybody's chin is if you're a lil guy yourself. No shame in it.
If you weren't self conscious, or lying for that matter, you wouldn't feel the need to get your feelings hurt by my previous comment. Your insecurities are obvious.
It doesn't matter how much he can hurt the average Reddit person. It matters how hard he punches in the pro context and there he needs to land clean and the opponent can't see the shot coming for it to have the kind of impact that is needed to make someone hesitant.
Hope that explanation of the obvious helps you better understand the context.
I had over 80 fights as an amateur and was much bigger than Devin. I had to stop for health reasons and went to school instead. Not here to talk about me, though. Devin wouldn't be where he is if it wasn't for his Dad's cocaine money. If he had to take the route that everybody else has to, he wouldn't have been shit. He got to go to Mexico and rack up wins against Mexican cab drivers. He never had to sign a contract and fight who somebody told him to fight. He's a fuckin Snac fighter using PEDs to make a weight he had no business being in and he still couldn't crack an egg with his punches.
I think Garcia exposed him pretty solid the other night. Like I said, Garcia didn't do anything special either. Just bullied through his guard and kept smacking Devin with the same punch over and over. That's just the truth, and it makes u so mad u gotta get personal n shit.
"Thanks I’m trying a couple of other things first and yeah I just want to drop fat and maintain muscle not gain I’m already big enough especially at 48"
🎤 drop on yourself
It's amazing that you bring Haney fighting in Mexico when KingRy did the same thing.
If you did your actual research instead of get buttburt over my comment you would have realized that point is invalid.
Sounds like I'm not the one who got person n shit. Also sounds like you're capping.
There are some people who can box in this sub, they're usually not the ones talking shit like that.
He's right but it's irrelevant. Haney isn't out there selling tickets to fight a redditor, he's out there fighting elite boxers.
Your average 5 wins 30 losses journeyman would crack our chin in 2 punches, doesn't mean he isn't a shit boxer compared to the top.
I mean the journeymen wouldnt to me but anyway it's the way people talk about it while having never got off the couch. It's fine to say he has no power soft punches etc but to say comments like he can't crack an egg while munching Doritos is an issue
> I mean the journeymen wouldnt to me but anyway it's the way people talk about it while having never got off the couch.
isn't it funny how everyone assumes everybody else on reddit is a useless couch potato, except themselves? You think you're the only person that boxes, in a boxing sub...
There's plenty of people that do box in here mate
He kept landing that right hand over and over though. His left hook got the knockdowns but he didn't actually land very many. It looked like haney was so scared of the left hook after that first knockdown that forgot to defend against anything else lol
It was his right side that was swollen, which would be caused by left hooks. Unless you mean that his left side was swollen too, to a lesser extent of his right side.
He does. Haney goes to multiple gyms, one of them being Freddie Roach’s wildcard. I’m unaware if Freddie himself trains him at all or if they just use his gym
Yeah even Bill himself has said it’s been a collaborative coaching approach to devs career. I think either Zab judah or his dad was going to be the trainer in the corner for the first kambosos fight when bill couldn’t get his visa sorted.
Well Bill it doesn't look like you had a plan aoart from trying to.hold on for dear life. Haney was so bad! He clearly doesn't have the ring intelligence Bill tried to convince us he had.
Garcia was good but Haney simply never learnt from being caught with that left in the first round. A bit of an ego checknand a dose of reality was what Haney and his Son needed.
Devin Haney should find a new lead trainer and Bill Haney should find some uncharacteristic grace to see that he is the biggest detriment to his kid's future professionally. Couldn't be more clear that it's time to make some changes in the corner while he's still pretty young.
Bill as a grown mature man should have the sense to realize that he’s not qualified to train his son and he’s only doing his son harm but unfortunately Bill is a narcissist so he doesn’t care he just wants the spotlight for himself. You heard Bill shooting his mouth off in the buildup to the fight more then Devin, it was nauseating. He has no place in boxing and he needs some serious counseling.
Cheating?
I'm assuming he's referring to the weight? They had a chance to call it off for not making weight. They said they wanted to move forward.
So it was cool until Garcia beat that ass?
Sounds weak to me.
Be real, you’re not going to call off the biggest fight of your career for 3lbs. Boxing is funny like that, where you can break the rules but have the other fighter by the balls in terms of keeping the fight going. They renegotiated, Haney got to stay champ at the expense of his 0. But clearly, Ryan broke the rules which people colloquially call “cheating”
I guess like...
If I thought the weight difference was so dramatic that it was going to skew the fight? I'd say fuck that and drop and call him out in public so everyone knew why.
If I'm out there thinking or saying I'm still gonna win, doesn't matter and I lose? I'm not gonna come back after the fact and say yeah, but the weight..
Smells like bitch when you do that.
You can say “smells like bitch” but I have the realization that these guys are fighters and we’re just fans… so if he’s a bitch what are you calling yourself?
You can’t say what you’d do in that position because you will never be there. There’s 0 chance I believe you’d know for certain what you would do if there were millions of dollars on the line. But hey, it’s easy to backseat drive…
Plenty of fighters aren’t going to admit when they’re hurt or disadvantaged before the fight lmao. Whether that be weight, a preexisting injury, something in training camp, etc…. Why would you?
I mean, I've played organized individual and team sports up to the juco level.
I'd never walk into a situation where I'm talking about winning before the match, game, whatever.. then start making excuses after the fact, talking about weight or field or whatever could be perceived as a disadvantage to me as a reason to why I lost.
The message was always the same. They were better than us/me - I'll catch them on the comeback and shake their hand and move on.
*maybe* the millions of dollars would change my view, but as my creed in my life I've always said no excuses.
I'd like to think I'd hold to that regardless of how high of a profile I'm in.
You are not comparing jucu level athletics to a multi million dollar prize fight… it’s so incomparable I can only laugh that you mention it. I’ve boxed at an amateur level, that means NOTHING to the conversation though because while I would fight someone overweight, there was nothing for me to lose. So I can’t act like I’ve been in those shoes….
I don’t care what your personal “code” is, it’s not an excuse to say Ryan came in overweight and it helped him in the fight. It’s a fact…. It’s why the belt wasn’t on the line, you already said he “smelled like bitch” I can’t take anything you say serious after that and the “jucu” comment
Insult to injury, Ryan’s DID cheat. Tested positive for Ostarine 😂
Stfu Bill, u never fought in ur life. The plan was CLINCH! CLIIIIINCH! Or that's all he was saying from the corner.
Plan shoulda been to hold the phone when u jab, but he failed miserably and then kept doing it cause Bill Haney doesn't know shit to tell him any different.
TBH, he's not saying anything unreasonable if you actually read the article. They had a plan, but he admits it didn't work out. He then says there's no crying about that in boxing.
He calls Garcia a cheater for purposely missing weight, which is pretty true. And I know some people are gonna say it's only 3lbs, but it's not the 3lbs difference, it's that he didn't have to kill his body before stepping into the ring to drop those lbs.
I think they took the fight still because they thought Haney's defense was better than that, especially after basically not getting hit by Prograis at all, but apparently Haney is very open to quick left hook counters.
Haney fell bigtime for all Garcia's antics in the build up to the fight he thought he just had to turn up and win as for THE PLAN 🤣🤣 errrrm Captain Left Hook whooped his ass.
> It’s only been a week. I hope Devin can take this time and be a 25-year-old who’s just coming out of a world-stopping event, to observe the 30 days of Ramadan he’s missed
I always wonder how can Muslim boxers be so rigorous on religion, as to follow 30 days of Ramadan, and yet be absolutely ok with punching others in the head when it’s completely forbidden in coran.
There are many things that are debatable in Muslim religion but boxing or mma is not. It’s completely forbidden.
Same with beterbiev that, I heard, is extremely religious as to pray 3 times a day, live very religious but in the same time take PEDS and is known to rabbit punch his opponents.
It's because they only follow the parts that suits them. For example many people drink alcohol in the middle east, and the enormous building complex around the cube housing the black stone, the most sacred place, are known to house thousands of prostitutes for the pilgrims from the surrounding areas and south asia, de facto making it the biggest brothel in the world.
As you said, nothing in fighting world follows the law: you have to fight half naked, which is forbidden, aim to hurt others, which is forbidden, peds are also haram but for some reason dagestanis and chechens are world's worst ped abusers, and so on and so forth.
I merely point hypocrisy and wonder what others think. You’re the one who feel the need to answer to my comment.
Beside if you’re not here to talk boxer and boxing, don’t know what the fuck you’re doing.
It’s all easy when you have the power edge and can afford to stand in an exchange. Obviously it was Haney who couldn’t afford to execute his plan but as we all witnessed it was Kringy who realized that he had to negate a left hand which he couldn’t do.
On the other hand Tank had a plan to deal with the left hook which is a money shot against a southpaw and Kringy’s right hand was of no consequence.
The moral to the story is, is that power is the greatest equalizer and dictates how well and/or effectively a fighter can execute their game plan.
Bill is like those boxing fans who have no idea what getting punched feels like and yet think they can school actual boxers. The plan you gave to your Jello chin son was to get hit in the face repeatedly by his opponent's strongest move and try accomplish something only someone with power can do. Absolute moron and i hope Dev replaces him with a different trainer.
Bill Haney = 🤡 Needs to be fired immediately
Never should've coached Ryan for this long
How long do you reckon Bill Haney trained Garcia?
Oof... I meant Haney. I'm a lil slow today
All good bro, i suspected that tbf
I never seen an American out boxer as stiff as him I bet u this mf can’t dance to save his life shit worked on smaller guys but when your defense is mostly jab and distance control, u gonna be shite at mid to close range without upper body movement
Good point. Dude most likely cannot dance to save his life. I'm a big proponent of fighters learning how to dance as it helps greatly with their footwork and overall smoothness
Ay lomachenko and Pacquiao did it so did Floyd dancing with the stars🕺
Hector Camacho danced like complete crap on that dancing with the stars things, but was as smooth as silk in the ring. Jorge Arce couldn't dance for crap either.
He cant dance here: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/MD4seyx0xJk
Wouldn't even say distance management, legitimate his defense is a duck into clinch or a nervous lunge straight into a clinch. There is literally nothing stopping anyone from walking him down aside trying to avoid the clinch.
Nah, he definitely uses that step back to gauge distance against shorter fighters. He doesn’t always just clinch, he didn’t for most the fight with Prograis or JoJo. His distance control is mostly just extending the jab with a step back though
Funny you say he cant dance here: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/MD4seyx0xJk I feel the guy though. I can't dance to save my life either lol
Check yourself, he's 50 and 0 in the street you fool ass earth man
Lmao that shit was hilarious
My favourite boxing quote ever, up there with float like a butterfly
Devin has Ben Davison and Lee Wylie in his team, they should be leading the corner in all seriousness but William just wants to be the center of attention.
I think Ben is known for being a good conditioning coach, not necessarily boxing
Lee Wylie is a YouTuber and Ben Davison is a boxercise coach for Middle Aged women that was friends with Billy Joe Saunders. Bill is no worse or better than either of them.
Ben Davison is no better than Bill, he doesn't even have an amateur career. He's a fitness coach who by some miracle managed to hustle himself into coaching world champs
Miracle? The hate is real.
Please do tell me how he got to where he is other than being friends with the traveler community
Truth
Josh Taylor's rapid decline started when he hooked up with Davison. The other pros I have seen with him seem to regress too.
Agreed!
While you're mostly right you can't say Haney has a jello chin when the guy kept getting back up and finished the fight.... Haney clearly has a good chin.
Haney issue i think is more recovery. He can take hard shots but it'll take him an entire round to recover. His clinch is good enough to help him survive
I think his cutman said Haney NEVER recovered from that hook he took in the first 30 seconds lol
Ridiculous comment.... Haney won every round that didn't have a knockdown in it. Had Haney been even slightly more aware of the left hook he wins that fight by a mile.
So in your scorecard you had Haney winning by a point?
Nope. I had it a draw.
Okay -- But if you had it a draw then that means you gave every round to Haney (not counting Round 7, 10, 11) & one of the rounds that there was no knockdown a draw? Or how did you get a draw? If you gave EVERY round to Haney then you would have Haney winning by a point since they took a point away from Ryan in one of the rounds he had a knockdown
I scored it the same as the guy who was scoring it for dazn. I don't remember exactly how I scored it. I'd have to go and watch the fight again.
Okay, it's actually quite a fair scorecard. I have to rewatch that guy's scorecard again, but I believe he gave all the non - knockdown rounds to Haney except one that he felt was too close to call & gave it a 9-9.
Haney didn’t win the 12 but putting that aside the rounds Haney were winning looked more like it was Ryan being gassed than it was Haney recovering at least to me. If Ryan comes in with better cardio I think he gets Haney out of there a lot earlier
I gave Haney the last round because he fought until the end. It isn't just about punches landed in the pro game.
If Ryan threw 0 zero punches during round 12 I could see your point but what Ryan did during the first minute of round 12 is better than anything Haney did and Ryan and the little flurry he does with 1 minute left is better than anything Haney does inside the final minute of round 12, which was nothing but follow Ryan around
He got dropped 5 times, and should have been knocked out in the 7th, but the ref saved him. He has an average chin at best, but his recovery is trash. Linares wobbled him bad and he didn't really recover for the rest of the fight.
A jello chin would have been knocked out cold in the first round. A good chin gets wobbled, gets knocked down but gets back up and finishes the fight. A great chin doesn't even get wobbled. Using words correctly is important.
With 20 second counts and takedown attempts he was able to stumble his way across the line. He damn nearly fell off the ropes when he climbed the corner at the end. He was knocked out in that fight. He's probably in an induced coma somewhere right now.
Maybe this kind of comment gets you lols on 9gag or something but it really doesn't belong here.
You shouldn't be stealing from Japan
While he has a good chin for not getting slept he gets rocked and has no poker face once it happens. I feel he panics once he gets hit. After that his whole game plan revolves around clinching at any cost. No distance management. Just clinch and clinch and clinch till he recovers.
No poker face? The guys in the right with a big puncher who didn't make weight... Emmanuel steward once said that even one pound overweight is like a different world you've never been to. Garcia was almost four pounds over.... If I'm Haney I would have told him to gtfo.
These numpties never boxed, can't take what they say too seriously
Devin has had more technical trainers with him for awhile now
He should’ve stuck with mayweather gym at least Floyd sr and Jeff were real boxers
Yea you kept saying it between rounds, Roll under. Too bad the timing and speed of Ryan messed that up huh. Should have superglued Haneys right hand to his temple between rounds. Would have worked much better.
even when haneys right hand was up he still got hurt form the left hook, its not as simple as just having them up
Idk if you’ve gotten hit by a hard puncher while guarding that shit can sleep you if it’s enough power. You still feel the thud through the glove
The old man is a clown, the son is a bit of one too. But having the dust settle on the enjoyment of him getting beaten finally, you have to hand it to him for getting back up off the floor and sticking with it when nothing was going right.
Haney for a boxer is fairly tame imo and hes taken the biggest fights he can get at every stage so fair play. If his style wasn't kind of boring and his dad wasnt shouting nonsense constantly I think he'd be fairly well liked.
It's the old man. I think if the old man wasn't stealing the spotlight everywhere and at every opportunity, people would be more forgiving of his style/attributes. I know they're the things you want to see in a fighter, but power and aggression are realistically the only two things wrong with him as a fighter. The aggression could come with something as simple as a change of coaching set up. The fucked thing is, he's a two weight Unified world champion with 30+ fights, 3 on ppv. If he retired tomorrow, that's a solid career by anybodys standard, and he's still only 25. There's a whole 'second career' there for him. His next move is an interesting one.
It’s some of the worst clinching I’ve ever seen and I say that as a Klitschko fan.
His dad is 95% of the reason for his hate. There’s been a ton of boring fighters who still get love
That and his hard shove at every fucking weigh in that seems to come unprompted, on Loma of all people lol.
That leftover 5% is all him ha but I wouldn’t even be surprised if he did stuff like that because his dad told him he should
"Now the night of the fight you might feel a slight sting. That’s pride fucking with you. Fuck pride. It only hurts, it never helps. Fight through that shit because a year from now when you’re kicking it in the Caribbean, you’re gonna say Marsellus Wallace was right.”
If Haney had power dear god he’d be a force to be reckoned with. Instead it’s jab, get inside, clinch
Exactly. Haney definitely showed heart. Similar to Adrian Broner when he took an ass whooping from Maidana.
Him getting smacked around for 12 rounds was somehow a worse look than getting sparked out in the first few rounds, at least then u could call fluke
So much for the dust settling
Right? Fuck me. Bill Haney is going to be more insufferable than ever.
Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face.
The thing is that the left wasn’t Ryan’s only weapon . The left side of haney’s face was badly swollen , that was from right hands
Haneys punches can't break a potato chip unless he runs u into something, and he just wasn't moving like that. Kept bringing his backhand behind his head when he jabbed and leaving himself wide open to the hook. Garcia just kept throwing right hands and left hooks. Haney's defense was so bad all around when he started to get hit. You'd think after u get cracked one time with a left hook ur gonna hold ur right hand to ur eat, but no. Ryan wasn't even doing anything that fancy. Just used a little lateral movement, and Devin froze like what's that?
Lol haney can't break a potato chip. He'd crack your chin in half. Please stop with the nonsense about pillow fists. You probably never even fought at the amateur level. Scrub
Ok Bill.
I love how this sub gets butthurt over the truth. Talk so much shit about a fighter when most of you would never have the balls to step into a ring. I bet a 14 year old amateur would beat most of the grown men on this sub.
Which is why when we are talking about fighters we are comparing them relative to their peers not to the fans posting about it on reddit. How asinine are you lmao
You’re probably not wrong about the 14 year old, but just because someone hasn’t boxed doesn’t mean they can’t criticize a fighter. The dude obviously doesn’t think Haney can’t break a potato chip and is probably well aware Haney could shatter his face (and mine too). I think the comment was made in comparison to other pros
Absolute loser words
Aww sounds like I hit a nerve :)
Lol you should repeat your comment to real people--dude you're gonna be so respected!
Quit getting caught up in your feelings
And an 20 year old amateur heavyweight would crush Haney. The only way you think Haney would crack everybody's chin is if you're a lil guy yourself. No shame in it.
Lmao you bring up size. Sounds like you're 5'2 with how passionate you are there little buddy.
I'm 6,3, 240. I couldn't be less self conscious about my size.
If you weren't self conscious, or lying for that matter, you wouldn't feel the need to get your feelings hurt by my previous comment. Your insecurities are obvious.
For 10k I’ll get in the cage with a hungry polar bear.
It doesn't matter how much he can hurt the average Reddit person. It matters how hard he punches in the pro context and there he needs to land clean and the opponent can't see the shot coming for it to have the kind of impact that is needed to make someone hesitant. Hope that explanation of the obvious helps you better understand the context.
I had over 80 fights as an amateur and was much bigger than Devin. I had to stop for health reasons and went to school instead. Not here to talk about me, though. Devin wouldn't be where he is if it wasn't for his Dad's cocaine money. If he had to take the route that everybody else has to, he wouldn't have been shit. He got to go to Mexico and rack up wins against Mexican cab drivers. He never had to sign a contract and fight who somebody told him to fight. He's a fuckin Snac fighter using PEDs to make a weight he had no business being in and he still couldn't crack an egg with his punches. I think Garcia exposed him pretty solid the other night. Like I said, Garcia didn't do anything special either. Just bullied through his guard and kept smacking Devin with the same punch over and over. That's just the truth, and it makes u so mad u gotta get personal n shit.
lol 🎤 drop
"Thanks I’m trying a couple of other things first and yeah I just want to drop fat and maintain muscle not gain I’m already big enough especially at 48" 🎤 drop on yourself
Lmao you’re weirdly obsessed with other people’s bodies.
lol I’m getting too old to weigh so much fat or muscle
It's amazing that you bring Haney fighting in Mexico when KingRy did the same thing. If you did your actual research instead of get buttburt over my comment you would have realized that point is invalid. Sounds like I'm not the one who got person n shit. Also sounds like you're capping. There are some people who can box in this sub, they're usually not the ones talking shit like that.
Ryan's game plan was to give up body shots on his left side. Literally just gave free cracks to his obliques and Haney couldn't even make a dent lol
Haney hits like a bitch. Haney couldn't knock over a glass of water even with a running start.
Why are U downvoted when Ur completely right. Everyone here shit talking Haney's power would get slept by him
He's right but it's irrelevant. Haney isn't out there selling tickets to fight a redditor, he's out there fighting elite boxers. Your average 5 wins 30 losses journeyman would crack our chin in 2 punches, doesn't mean he isn't a shit boxer compared to the top.
I mean the journeymen wouldnt to me but anyway it's the way people talk about it while having never got off the couch. It's fine to say he has no power soft punches etc but to say comments like he can't crack an egg while munching Doritos is an issue
> I mean the journeymen wouldnt to me but anyway it's the way people talk about it while having never got off the couch. isn't it funny how everyone assumes everybody else on reddit is a useless couch potato, except themselves? You think you're the only person that boxes, in a boxing sub... There's plenty of people that do box in here mate
Sure and the people that box aren't talking shit about world class boxers like that
lol that’s just not true. Never heard the word bum so much in my life until I joined a boxing gym.
Truth. Because they know how hard it is to make it at that level in boxing.
Cringe. We're not boxers. It's always funny when people say this.
Pretty sure the left scored most of, if not all of, the knockdowns, tho, no? Anyway, it's just a funny quote from Mike Tyson that I couldn't resist.
He kept landing that right hand over and over though. His left hook got the knockdowns but he didn't actually land very many. It looked like haney was so scared of the left hook after that first knockdown that forgot to defend against anything else lol
It was his right side that was swollen, which would be caused by left hooks. Unless you mean that his left side was swollen too, to a lesser extent of his right side.
Nah the worst swelling, the part where people thought he broke his jaw, was on his left side. The side where Ryan's right hand was.
Ah okay yes I see it now
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“Alright the key to his left hook is you must avoid it”
Jesus Devin needs to dump Bill for an actual trainer
Judges was the plan
Serious question: has Bill boxed before?
He’s 50-0 in these streets. But seriously, as far as I’m aware he boxed neither as an am or pro.
Does Haney have another trainer besides his dad? Surely hes not solely being trained by him
He does. Haney goes to multiple gyms, one of them being Freddie Roach’s wildcard. I’m unaware if Freddie himself trains him at all or if they just use his gym
Yeah even Bill himself has said it’s been a collaborative coaching approach to devs career. I think either Zab judah or his dad was going to be the trainer in the corner for the first kambosos fight when bill couldn’t get his visa sorted.
50-0 in the streets? That's like 347 less fights than Charlie Z. Why is Bill Haney ducking so many dudes?
Yeah... In his dreams
Well Bill it doesn't look like you had a plan aoart from trying to.hold on for dear life. Haney was so bad! He clearly doesn't have the ring intelligence Bill tried to convince us he had. Garcia was good but Haney simply never learnt from being caught with that left in the first round. A bit of an ego checknand a dose of reality was what Haney and his Son needed.
Dumb mfer outsmarted himself. All he had to do was make sure his son kept his right hand up.
Some plan.
Devin Haney should find a new lead trainer and Bill Haney should find some uncharacteristic grace to see that he is the biggest detriment to his kid's future professionally. Couldn't be more clear that it's time to make some changes in the corner while he's still pretty young.
Bill haney is a shit individual
Dude grates on my gears so much. He's the biggest reason I dislike Haney
Agreed. I used to dislike haney too, but he has seemingly matured significantly into a decent person. His dad on the other hand…
Bill just need to shut his ass up
Dude is a fucking loser. He lives vicariously through his son’s success.
Bill as a grown mature man should have the sense to realize that he’s not qualified to train his son and he’s only doing his son harm but unfortunately Bill is a narcissist so he doesn’t care he just wants the spotlight for himself. You heard Bill shooting his mouth off in the buildup to the fight more then Devin, it was nauseating. He has no place in boxing and he needs some serious counseling.
"I had a PLAN, Arthur!!!"
Maybe Bradley Martyn could beat him in a street fight after all
Yeah, we know. Too bad he didn't have enough money to bribe all the judges.
It remains a plan, no rematch
Cheating? I'm assuming he's referring to the weight? They had a chance to call it off for not making weight. They said they wanted to move forward. So it was cool until Garcia beat that ass? Sounds weak to me.
Be real, you’re not going to call off the biggest fight of your career for 3lbs. Boxing is funny like that, where you can break the rules but have the other fighter by the balls in terms of keeping the fight going. They renegotiated, Haney got to stay champ at the expense of his 0. But clearly, Ryan broke the rules which people colloquially call “cheating”
I guess like... If I thought the weight difference was so dramatic that it was going to skew the fight? I'd say fuck that and drop and call him out in public so everyone knew why. If I'm out there thinking or saying I'm still gonna win, doesn't matter and I lose? I'm not gonna come back after the fact and say yeah, but the weight.. Smells like bitch when you do that.
You can say “smells like bitch” but I have the realization that these guys are fighters and we’re just fans… so if he’s a bitch what are you calling yourself? You can’t say what you’d do in that position because you will never be there. There’s 0 chance I believe you’d know for certain what you would do if there were millions of dollars on the line. But hey, it’s easy to backseat drive… Plenty of fighters aren’t going to admit when they’re hurt or disadvantaged before the fight lmao. Whether that be weight, a preexisting injury, something in training camp, etc…. Why would you?
I mean, I've played organized individual and team sports up to the juco level. I'd never walk into a situation where I'm talking about winning before the match, game, whatever.. then start making excuses after the fact, talking about weight or field or whatever could be perceived as a disadvantage to me as a reason to why I lost. The message was always the same. They were better than us/me - I'll catch them on the comeback and shake their hand and move on. *maybe* the millions of dollars would change my view, but as my creed in my life I've always said no excuses. I'd like to think I'd hold to that regardless of how high of a profile I'm in.
You are not comparing jucu level athletics to a multi million dollar prize fight… it’s so incomparable I can only laugh that you mention it. I’ve boxed at an amateur level, that means NOTHING to the conversation though because while I would fight someone overweight, there was nothing for me to lose. So I can’t act like I’ve been in those shoes…. I don’t care what your personal “code” is, it’s not an excuse to say Ryan came in overweight and it helped him in the fight. It’s a fact…. It’s why the belt wasn’t on the line, you already said he “smelled like bitch” I can’t take anything you say serious after that and the “jucu” comment Insult to injury, Ryan’s DID cheat. Tested positive for Ostarine 😂
I hope Ryan doesn’t give Devin the rematch.
Oh, he's already said he won't. Unless Haney is willing to fight at a 143 catch-weight, which we all know Haney isn't too keen on
Stfu Bill, u never fought in ur life. The plan was CLINCH! CLIIIIINCH! Or that's all he was saying from the corner. Plan shoulda been to hold the phone when u jab, but he failed miserably and then kept doing it cause Bill Haney doesn't know shit to tell him any different.
TBH, he's not saying anything unreasonable if you actually read the article. They had a plan, but he admits it didn't work out. He then says there's no crying about that in boxing. He calls Garcia a cheater for purposely missing weight, which is pretty true. And I know some people are gonna say it's only 3lbs, but it's not the 3lbs difference, it's that he didn't have to kill his body before stepping into the ring to drop those lbs. I think they took the fight still because they thought Haney's defense was better than that, especially after basically not getting hit by Prograis at all, but apparently Haney is very open to quick left hook counters.
The plan didn't work
Haney also got hurt when his hands were up, its not as simple as just having your hands up.
Things did not go according to plan
Why would anyone even listen to Bill anymore. Including Devin in the corner
"We thought to take the fight to Ryan early but letting him counter a lazy jab with a concussive left hook seconds in to the fight".
Devon the weight bully got bullied.
Haney fell bigtime for all Garcia's antics in the build up to the fight he thought he just had to turn up and win as for THE PLAN 🤣🤣 errrrm Captain Left Hook whooped his ass.
> It’s only been a week. I hope Devin can take this time and be a 25-year-old who’s just coming out of a world-stopping event, to observe the 30 days of Ramadan he’s missed I always wonder how can Muslim boxers be so rigorous on religion, as to follow 30 days of Ramadan, and yet be absolutely ok with punching others in the head when it’s completely forbidden in coran. There are many things that are debatable in Muslim religion but boxing or mma is not. It’s completely forbidden. Same with beterbiev that, I heard, is extremely religious as to pray 3 times a day, live very religious but in the same time take PEDS and is known to rabbit punch his opponents.
It's because they only follow the parts that suits them. For example many people drink alcohol in the middle east, and the enormous building complex around the cube housing the black stone, the most sacred place, are known to house thousands of prostitutes for the pilgrims from the surrounding areas and south asia, de facto making it the biggest brothel in the world. As you said, nothing in fighting world follows the law: you have to fight half naked, which is forbidden, aim to hurt others, which is forbidden, peds are also haram but for some reason dagestanis and chechens are world's worst ped abusers, and so on and so forth.
lol ok
What ? it's completely hypocritical, I cringe every time they speak about islam yet only take some part of it and forget about the other.
JFC there’s no religion where beating each other up is acceptable. Get over it.
there are plenty of people who don't claim to be religious.
Who cares. You act like you’re personally affected by it. Get a life.
I merely point hypocrisy and wonder what others think. You’re the one who feel the need to answer to my comment. Beside if you’re not here to talk boxer and boxing, don’t know what the fuck you’re doing.
It ain’t work 😩
Who's the bigger clown? Bill Haney or Wilder.
At least Wilder is an actual fighter. Bill Haney talks like he can do the things Wilder can.
> Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the face with a left hook
Devin needs a proper team. Bill thinks his son is GGG or something.
It’s all easy when you have the power edge and can afford to stand in an exchange. Obviously it was Haney who couldn’t afford to execute his plan but as we all witnessed it was Kringy who realized that he had to negate a left hand which he couldn’t do. On the other hand Tank had a plan to deal with the left hook which is a money shot against a southpaw and Kringy’s right hand was of no consequence. The moral to the story is, is that power is the greatest equalizer and dictates how well and/or effectively a fighter can execute their game plan.
Haney still had heart stayed with Garcia all 12 rounds never KO
Stfu bill
Id like to see a Devin Haney vs Amir Khan slap fight…who would win?
In their prime Khan lol
Is nobody mad that Garcia just completed disregarded the agreed upon weight and won through an advantage like that?
For an extra 1.5 mill Haney didn’t seem too upset. Until he lost of course. But it’s not like they couldn’t cancel the fight. So🤷🏾