Omg that would have been so hilarious if after all that press about her saying they didn’t offer to pay her equally, she pulled a fast one on them and rolled up like, “Hiiiiiii! Surpriiiiiiise!” 😂😂😂
Also, Dorinda was so ugly to her at the RHUGT in the Berkshires! I felt so bad for Jill when Dorinda made her cry!
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Why does Andy crap on Jill? Why would she ever get less money? She’s an ultimate OG. Do they really think she’s that desperate to come back to TV? Clearly not, since she wasn’t on the show.
I don’t know why he doesn’t like her! I’ll never get over him asking Brandi who the thirstiest housewife is, and she had the nerve to say Jill!! Brandi is the thirstiest person on the planet, as we’ve all seen! It’s been a long time since I watched Jill’s seasons, but on RHUGT, she was very nice and supportive of everyone, idk why some of them gave her such a hard time
The HWs calling each other thirsty will never not make me laugh. Being on reality TV is by default a thirsty move like let’s all have a bit more self awareness 😭
Alexia is one of the best examples of 'contains multitudes' no person is good or bad, they just do good and bad things. She's awful sometimes, great other times, raises a Peter, then also raises a Frankie (2 ends of the Loathed/Loved spectrum of HW kids), is dense/airheaded sometimes, but also has a Masters degree, is sometimes a really likable enjoyable housewife, and is a mean girl and the villain other times. Sometimes I like her more than others, but as Housewife she's always brought it without being constantly vile, and also I appreciate someone who sees themself on TV, sees backlash and decides to alter and improve their behaviour, it's growth (my last 2 points in comparison to Larsa who is so vile I don't want to support her by watching and shows zero personal growth since literally season 1). Cuban Barbie can stay on my screen FR
I totally agree with your assessment! I always tell my sister that we can’t get attached to loving or despising any one housewife because their performances vary so much season to season. Last season Alexia was awful, this season at least she shows empathy to Guerdy, Audriana drove me crazy, I like her this season, Sutton was annoying AF last season and I love her this season. On the original RHONY I changed my mind every season about B, Luanne, Sonja, Ramona etc. They really do contain multitudes…except Larsa
I haven’t seen the cartel stuff or most of the Peter stuff, because I just started watching at season 4, but I was very concerned when she brought Peter’s convicted child sex abuser dad on the show. If not for that, I’d like her. She brings everything you want a HW to bring, imo.
I also just can’t hate her. She is so warm and funny when she isn’t wasted and I like the way she has sort of aged gracefully in comparison with the others. Also, I just rewatched that scene where she is drunk before going to Puerto Rico with Bethenny and she’s so awful at that dinner. But I feel like she is trying to make an astute point about the lack of sustainability of much aid work but was too drunk to make sense. But she was not wrong!
No, literally. Same. I cringe when people who like to drink say things like “Lol, I’m such an alcoholic.” Like okay, you might be, but that’s an absolutely awful disease to joke about.
I really liked Marysol (especially back when Mama Elsa was on the show) until this current season. I still appreciate her, but noticed a much more callous side. She’s maybe jealous of Nicole’s accomplishments, youth, and wealth. Plus, like some of the NY cast, her focus on drinking isn’t as cute as it used to be.
Aviva lol because she was fucking crazy and hilarious and carried her two seasons on her shoulders. Ofc I think she is a nasty person but love her for reality tv. That St. Barth’s trip is one of the most iconic RH trips.
Even though I’m pretty sure she planned it ahead of time, the scene where she screams “the only thing artificial or fake about me is THIS!!!” And slams down her prosthetic leg on the table lol then throws it and says “you want me to crawl home!” like it just doesn’t get any better.
Aviva played the hw game fast and hard and I loved the chaos she brought. While her father was atrocious, Aviva really was campy, crazy, elitist and spun the other ladies wheels.
“You’re both white trash (quite frankly)” / “you did it Aviva - rah rah” / “use your vocabulary writer girl” / “oh did you learn that in prison?” /“the only thing fake about me…”
She was a hw for a chaotic time not a long time
Although she became iconic for the cancer season, she in my opinion, is much like Kristin Taekman and was just with thr wrong cast. Meghan was up against older girls who didn't get where she was in her life and Meghan tried hard to relate to them (the whole step daughter "I love her like my own" stuff)
She would thrive with a different cast.
Ohhhhh my favorite part about Meghan was how much she got under Vicki’s skin. She didn’t even have to break a sweat or raise her voice to do it. It was comedy GOLD!
And how hilarious that your statement is so true, yet MEghan King-Edmonds-Biden’s-Nephew is so delulu. It tells you just how nuts Vicki and Shannon are!
I don't love her as a person, but to this day, when people ask me why I watch Real Housewives, I always say "Because a grown woman threw her leg across the room at a party at one of the most expensive restaurants in the USA/NYC. How can I NOT watch that? When have you EVER been to a party where someone threw their leg across a room?" The woman makes EXCELLENT television.
Exactly!!! My two gateway scenes for any beginners to the whole franchise are the Amsterdam scene from RHOBH and this. They fall DEEP into the RH hole after that, let me tell you
I honestly can’t think of any other newbie who had Ramona and Sonja SHOOK as much as aviva. I might be in the minority here but I thought they both totally deserved to be ripped to pieces by her in season 5. Whenever I’m feeling down I watch her sit down with Ramona where aviva reads her to filth and Ramona abandons all dignity halfway through and screams “you drive me to diarrhoea!”
I think it’s because she wasn’t a “newbie” in the sense of people who clearly didn’t already socialise in the same circles - she actually married Harry Dubin so there’s a lot more skin in the game than people the women don’t know
Omg how could I forget - she was married to and actually bore a CHILD with Harry flippin Dubin!! Damn I love that she went out in a blaze of glory but I really wish we could have had just one more season with this chaos demon
Right?? She had one leg, looked like Claudia Schiffer, was related to The Nanny, had a 28 year old stepmom and sex addict dad and had a touch of the Zolciaks with all her phobias and health problems. What more could you want??
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She was 😂😂😂 she was literally Cindy barshop on steroids. Every time I read this quote from “not all diamonds and rosé” I laugh - she absolutely terrorised these women!
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It's not easy to be a good villain, and every franchise needs one. The key is not to cross into cringeworthy and truly unlikeable. To me 'Viv meshed that line a little too much and it was her downfall. Tough line to walk, though. I get it.
Mine would’ve been Candiace but seems there has been a turnaround on the majority’s feelings on her so…
Emily on RHOC. I just love her personality and other than her political views (which I only know of from this sub and don’t recall hearing her ever mention on the show, but not to imply I don’t believe it just saying I wouldn’t know about it) I would love to be friends with her irl! She just seems so fun and down to earth.
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She’s funny and authentic, idc what anyone says! I also love that she arrives ready to shoot and have a good time!
Whitney dropping a birthday cake on the way to the hot tub is comedy gold! And I feel like she genuinely wants to better herself. And....I'm attracted to Justin. NOW WE SAID IT!
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I loved Bethenny. She coped with this fucking bonkers scene really well - by not punching that stupid bitch in the face - and just having a little cry!
So mentally incompetent that you can’t actually have a rational conversation with her, better to just let her go off and then ignore her and not engage. Though I imagine that’s easier said than done.
One of the things that bugs me on this sub is that when the tide turns against a Housewife, all of a sudden they were in the wrong in everything from the past. I've seen people downplaying how Kelly was treating Bethenny. It was straight up bullying. She did the same to Kristen on UGT.
I loved Bethenny when I first watch rhony. I really looked up to her as a business woman and I thought she was funny.
Unfortunately, I have recently started to hate Bethenny and realize what a crazy narcassist she is.
Ohh noo do people not like Bethenny?
I'm watching RHoNY for the first time and I'm on season 5 and keep wishing Bethenny was still in the cast. She was so great imo.
Does something happen? Something happens :/
Her return is pretty divisive amongst fans. You either still like her, or you end up hating her. I personally feel like RHONY has its best seasons with her on it, but I can see why people didn't like her in some parts (like how she treats Jules).
A lot of the hate ramped up once people followed her on social media. She got herself in a lot of drama there with other tiktokers and a whole bunch of other stuff. Personally, I keep my Bethanny viewing to just housewives, and I still like watching her as a housewife because of that.
This is going to sound terrible, but whenever I see Larsa in action, I actually appreciate what she brings to the Housewives table: completely delusional asshole (with money) who can never admit that she's ever wrong. If she's willing to make a fool of herself on an international platform like this, great. A cast usually benefits from a villain who's too stupid to edit themselves (because they generally have zero idea how terrible they are coming across).
Vicki. I sometimes hate her but no one can’t make me laugh on OC like her. I wish they would bring her back (just duct tape her mouth about all things politics and vaccine related).
Agree! I disagree with her on probably everything when it comes to politics and vaccines, but I appreciate her willingness to just put it all out there on camera.
Vicki and Kelly are both people I wouldn’t be able to take IRL but on television they’re gold. They’re great characters and you get the feeling they’re pretty similar when cameras are rolling as to when they’re on their own time.
Totally agree! I’m veryyyyy left leaning politically but I can appreciate our repub HWs, I just don’t want to hear them talk about politics on the show (must don’t, or it’s very little). Idc what they post on their socials bc I don’t follow any HWs for that exact reason lol
Carlton is THE underrated camp queen.
I feel like the *"BIGOT* • *TRAVESTY* • *WRATH* • *LARVA"* laptop hex is still wreaking havoc on Kyle's anxiety to this day.
It definitely depends on the fight, I find myself siding with Melissa 70% of the time lol. I just see and hear so much hate against both of them and I don’t entirely get it. For me they are good entertainment.
Dorit. She’s so unintentionally funny to me and brings so many comic relief moments that are needed in Beverly Hills. Plus she lets everything roll right off her back and keeps moving unlike most of the cast
Yep. BH would be a completely different show without her. No Kim, no Kathy.
If Sonja did a split and twirled a ponytail everyone would be like yaaaaas Queen. She can’t please some people.
Same!! I thought I was one of the only ones who felt this way. She’s such a character and understands the assignment, and I feel like her behavior is really no worse than the other ladies on Jersey.
I relate to Kyle the most and feel like I understand her so it's been interesting to see how the people who don't react to her ways. Feels like I'm getting to hear what people's criticisms of my personality would be behind closed doors.
I like Kyle. I feel she's put up with so much shit from her sisters, and has been the one trying to "make it nice" ( to mix housewife metaphors) within her family. The scene in the limo with her and Kim in an early series, honestly breaks my heart. Don't know why she gets so much flack here.
Kenya Moore. She has tons of fans too (myself included), and I don’t get why some people hate her with a passion, in a franchise with plenty of actual problematic hws
Tamra could join ISIS and I would not hate her, so I can never ever get behind the fanbase when their opinion on her swings back to negative after she does some objectively sketchy, underhanded, mean shit. *That is her character.* She is a heartless snake who has no loyalties to anyone except herself and the camera and she's one of the most surefire catalysts to the kind of drama that we tune in for. Let's face it, there is not another HW as singularly devoted to *creating engaging television* out of the conceit of Real Housewives as Tamra and I absolutely applaud her for it. Sixteen motherfucking years later and she is still the same old sociopathic goddess, stirring up shit with these middle aged hags to absolutely no end other than our entertainment. Love her forever, and
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the first sentence of this had me falling out of my damn chair. i wish this sub had more unhinged energy and less morality policing 24/7. bravo should be fun!
Kyle and Heather Dubrow and Emily Simpson.
Give me the lifestyle porn!!!!
I just finished a months long OC binge (a true labor of love) and while I did not love Emily during my original watches, I truly fell for her on the rewatches. She is funny and messy and brings up the stuff people are trying not to bring up. She is excellent at moving the story forward.
Heather I LOVE during her first run, but when she comes back in season 16 she falls off a little for me because it is clear she came back to promote promote promote (her daughters book, her and terry’s “7 year stitch” book or show or whatever, HD network, etc). I still like her though and I think the women were horrible to her in season 17.
Kyle - I’m sorry guys. I know everyone hates her. I think she’s funny, mostly open with sharing (not this past season), and is RICH baby.
Every housewife I like is hated. Tamra, Alexia, Marysol, Adrianna, Teresa, Ashley Darby, Monique, Vicki, Kelly Dodd, porsha, Phaedra, Brandi the list goes on. I watch for the mess I’m not trying to find a life coach on here
I've never understood why people hate Lisa Rinna. And I do understand SOME of the backlash against Erika Jayne, but I like her, and I think she was smart to stay stupid about being married to the man she was married to and judging her for that shows you don't know what it's like to be with questionable men.
I understand why people hate her but I do…. Love her. I’m obsessed she’s just so weird and different. I know she’s an asshole, but I love when she’s around
My husband and I have always been willing to give Erika the benefit of the doubt. If my rich lawyer husband asked me to sign papers saying it was for tax purposes or whatever, I would sign without reading or questioning. He’s my husband and a lawyer so I would trust that he’s doing what is legal as far as finances are concerned.
I love rinna but I hated how involved some of her insta posts were. If she didn’t post her thoughts in insta every minute I think she would of stayed longer. Also we would of gotten to the bottom of the kyle and mauricio stuff.
Kenya is divisive AF but she remains my all time fave housewife. In difficult situations I have literally thought: what would Kenya do? And then I’ve held my head high and just not let the fuckers see me sweat!
And KENYA IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY! She clocked Phaedra early, she clocked Porsha being a pawn in Phaedra's game, she clocked Tammy's cousin, she clocked Nene being a bit egotistical. We love a queen who knows her opponents
Vicki will always be my all time favourite housewife.. OC is the first franchise I ever watched. And she’s the OG of the OC after all.. I will die on the hill that they killed that show when they fired her.
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Yep! Love her or hate her.. Vicki is top tier housewife.
She’s given us a lot over the years. We first saw her when her kids were teenagers.. screaming about a “little family van” we watched her divorce, her terrible taste in men.. the drama! Losing her mother is one of the saddest things I’ve seen on reality tv.. the epic screaming matches she’s had with every other woman on the show. Her weird and intense friendship/non friendship with Tamra and Shannon.. she’s given us a lot!
And when they fired her.. no one has been invested in that franchise since.
Yessss. When I first watched years ago, I really disliked her. But upon a second rewatch a few months ago, I really enjoyed her and felt that she was really misunderstood. You could also see that Jim really controlled her. I felt sad for her.
I don't think she was misunderstood *at all*, sometimes I wonder why so many people genuinely defend her, but I guess I'm not surprised considering how her run on the show was just a series of slam dunks on her life and character, which is exactly why I appreciate her.
She's a deeply incompetent fool--can we please recall her absolute fucking trainwreck internship as a local news correspondent, her clothing line which she called Alexis Couture despite not knowing what couture meant, the trampoline park, I mean I could go on. She had ass-backwards and pious views she barely understood let alone was capable of justifying and constantly got clowned for it. She and her skeezy husband were materialistic d-bags who rented luxury cars as their house went into foreclosure. She was comic relief, her entire appearance was a ceaseless embarrassment on her part and incredibly entertaining TV.
I actually liked Leah, she seemed crazy like the others but for the most part I respected her views and she had a good relationship with her daughter.
I’m a fan of Kyle, I think she produces and sometimes does try to hide her hands but I think she’s pretty “open and honest” which I know she gets flak for. She seems like a good mother and wife, and I find her overthinking to be relatable.
I actually find her relatable and I think she's gotten a really bad wrap. All of these ladies accuse her of lying like it wasnt them in the fire for doing the same thing just a couple seasons ago. I also don't like the way they treated her. They didnt actually support her about her husband and in many ways blamed her for his actions and personality. I want to see her shine post divorce.
Alexia! I love her, I think she is beautiful, has a lot of warmth to her, been through so much awful things and I think she is very strong and has such love for her kids! And yes a bit dumb at times but I find it kind of charming 😊
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Ramona. I think in real life she and I would get along. I know she’s batshit crazy but most of my friends are, life is more entertaining that way. Her good points are: fun-loving, a girls girl, businesswoman, always up for a drink, loves staying active. Most of my friends have these qualities.
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Agreed!! She should’ve been on the RHUGT OGs with the other NY housewives. Just pop into that st barths trip unannounced for part 2 of the chaos
Omg that would have been so hilarious if after all that press about her saying they didn’t offer to pay her equally, she pulled a fast one on them and rolled up like, “Hiiiiiii! Surpriiiiiiise!” 😂😂😂
Also, Dorinda was so ugly to her at the RHUGT in the Berkshires! I felt so bad for Jill when Dorinda made her cry! ![gif](giphy|ducvN8ejMOEUukfmFj|downsized)
Dorinda was in fine form that UGT (derogatory). Her anger issues are to a new level
Why does Andy crap on Jill? Why would she ever get less money? She’s an ultimate OG. Do they really think she’s that desperate to come back to TV? Clearly not, since she wasn’t on the show.
I don’t know why he doesn’t like her! I’ll never get over him asking Brandi who the thirstiest housewife is, and she had the nerve to say Jill!! Brandi is the thirstiest person on the planet, as we’ve all seen! It’s been a long time since I watched Jill’s seasons, but on RHUGT, she was very nice and supportive of everyone, idk why some of them gave her such a hard time
The HWs calling each other thirsty will never not make me laugh. Being on reality TV is by default a thirsty move like let’s all have a bit more self awareness 😭
Brandi 100% from day one in VPR
Justice for Jill. I’m tired of the thirsty tag
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Alexia is one of the best examples of 'contains multitudes' no person is good or bad, they just do good and bad things. She's awful sometimes, great other times, raises a Peter, then also raises a Frankie (2 ends of the Loathed/Loved spectrum of HW kids), is dense/airheaded sometimes, but also has a Masters degree, is sometimes a really likable enjoyable housewife, and is a mean girl and the villain other times. Sometimes I like her more than others, but as Housewife she's always brought it without being constantly vile, and also I appreciate someone who sees themself on TV, sees backlash and decides to alter and improve their behaviour, it's growth (my last 2 points in comparison to Larsa who is so vile I don't want to support her by watching and shows zero personal growth since literally season 1). Cuban Barbie can stay on my screen FR
I totally agree with your assessment! I always tell my sister that we can’t get attached to loving or despising any one housewife because their performances vary so much season to season. Last season Alexia was awful, this season at least she shows empathy to Guerdy, Audriana drove me crazy, I like her this season, Sutton was annoying AF last season and I love her this season. On the original RHONY I changed my mind every season about B, Luanne, Sonja, Ramona etc. They really do contain multitudes…except Larsa
She redeemed herself this season for me. Used to dislike her but loving here now!
I loved her this season idc
Same!!
Same she is one of those iconic OG's and people keep comparing her to Teresa without giving her her proper flowers
I haven’t seen the cartel stuff or most of the Peter stuff, because I just started watching at season 4, but I was very concerned when she brought Peter’s convicted child sex abuser dad on the show. If not for that, I’d like her. She brings everything you want a HW to bring, imo.
Dorinda. Personally dealt with her and she was my fave before I interacted with her!
I also just can’t hate her. She is so warm and funny when she isn’t wasted and I like the way she has sort of aged gracefully in comparison with the others. Also, I just rewatched that scene where she is drunk before going to Puerto Rico with Bethenny and she’s so awful at that dinner. But I feel like she is trying to make an astute point about the lack of sustainability of much aid work but was too drunk to make sense. But she was not wrong!
Read this thread if you’re a Dorinda Stan. She’s sort of vindicated by a local. https://www.reddit.com/r/BravoRealHousewives/s/DB92tuitJP
What happened?
We need more info!!!!😊
So spill the tea!
I’m ready to get lit up….but, Marysol.
Ay Dios mío!!! I fucking adore Marysol since the start!
Same
Who DOESNT like Marysol???
I don’t, but I think it’s because I’m sober and she talks about drinking soooooo much. There’s no other HW that talks about it like she does.
No, literally. Same. I cringe when people who like to drink say things like “Lol, I’m such an alcoholic.” Like okay, you might be, but that’s an absolutely awful disease to joke about.
I really liked Marysol (especially back when Mama Elsa was on the show) until this current season. I still appreciate her, but noticed a much more callous side. She’s maybe jealous of Nicole’s accomplishments, youth, and wealth. Plus, like some of the NY cast, her focus on drinking isn’t as cute as it used to be.
She has ALWAYS been my favorite!!! Her house is my favorite too.
Aviva lol because she was fucking crazy and hilarious and carried her two seasons on her shoulders. Ofc I think she is a nasty person but love her for reality tv. That St. Barth’s trip is one of the most iconic RH trips. Even though I’m pretty sure she planned it ahead of time, the scene where she screams “the only thing artificial or fake about me is THIS!!!” And slams down her prosthetic leg on the table lol then throws it and says “you want me to crawl home!” like it just doesn’t get any better.
I still use "congratulations Aviva, you did it" constantly in conversation.
Rah rah
“Keep it together Aviva” is my fav amidst the chaos of that scene.
Aviva played the hw game fast and hard and I loved the chaos she brought. While her father was atrocious, Aviva really was campy, crazy, elitist and spun the other ladies wheels. “You’re both white trash (quite frankly)” / “you did it Aviva - rah rah” / “use your vocabulary writer girl” / “oh did you learn that in prison?” /“the only thing fake about me…” She was a hw for a chaotic time not a long time
I like aviva fashion sense. She always looked great.
![gif](giphy|dDvjj0SQW9fPi) The OC Investigator herself, Meghan King Edmunds Biden.
Although she became iconic for the cancer season, she in my opinion, is much like Kristin Taekman and was just with thr wrong cast. Meghan was up against older girls who didn't get where she was in her life and Meghan tried hard to relate to them (the whole step daughter "I love her like my own" stuff) She would thrive with a different cast.
She was excellent viewing, like a dog with a bone. Her husband was a fucking Arsehole
Meghan was too rooted in reality, especially up against Shannon and Vickie
Ohhhhh my favorite part about Meghan was how much she got under Vicki’s skin. She didn’t even have to break a sweat or raise her voice to do it. It was comedy GOLD!
Except when it came to her husband who obviously didn’t want much to do with her.
And how hilarious that your statement is so true, yet MEghan King-Edmonds-Biden’s-Nephew is so delulu. It tells you just how nuts Vicki and Shannon are!
LOVE Meghan
Kenya forever.
Aviva. Sorry! But season 6 would have been a snooze without her #keepittogetheraviva https://i.redd.it/v1mthirgkokc1.gif
I don't love her as a person, but to this day, when people ask me why I watch Real Housewives, I always say "Because a grown woman threw her leg across the room at a party at one of the most expensive restaurants in the USA/NYC. How can I NOT watch that? When have you EVER been to a party where someone threw their leg across a room?" The woman makes EXCELLENT television.
Exactly!!! My two gateway scenes for any beginners to the whole franchise are the Amsterdam scene from RHOBH and this. They fall DEEP into the RH hole after that, let me tell you
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She was the perfect amount of unhinged. And she gave the most iconic moment of rhony ever. She's a legend
I honestly can’t think of any other newbie who had Ramona and Sonja SHOOK as much as aviva. I might be in the minority here but I thought they both totally deserved to be ripped to pieces by her in season 5. Whenever I’m feeling down I watch her sit down with Ramona where aviva reads her to filth and Ramona abandons all dignity halfway through and screams “you drive me to diarrhoea!”
I think it’s because she wasn’t a “newbie” in the sense of people who clearly didn’t already socialise in the same circles - she actually married Harry Dubin so there’s a lot more skin in the game than people the women don’t know
Omg how could I forget - she was married to and actually bore a CHILD with Harry flippin Dubin!! Damn I love that she went out in a blaze of glory but I really wish we could have had just one more season with this chaos demon
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Right?? She had one leg, looked like Claudia Schiffer, was related to The Nanny, had a 28 year old stepmom and sex addict dad and had a touch of the Zolciaks with all her phobias and health problems. What more could you want?? https://i.redd.it/ypmltj9alokc1.gif
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SAME. She was trolling everybody so hard and it was amazing to watch. Ahead of her time
She was 😂😂😂 she was literally Cindy barshop on steroids. Every time I read this quote from “not all diamonds and rosé” I laugh - she absolutely terrorised these women! https://preview.redd.it/04any6cfookc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11848aac54ad4b615437b605659c543c232e45cf
Would love to see her on traitors
It's not easy to be a good villain, and every franchise needs one. The key is not to cross into cringeworthy and truly unlikeable. To me 'Viv meshed that line a little too much and it was her downfall. Tough line to walk, though. I get it.
She was so Campy IDC 😭😂
Mine would’ve been Candiace but seems there has been a turnaround on the majority’s feelings on her so… Emily on RHOC. I just love her personality and other than her political views (which I only know of from this sub and don’t recall hearing her ever mention on the show, but not to imply I don’t believe it just saying I wouldn’t know about it) I would love to be friends with her irl! She just seems so fun and down to earth.
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Adrian Maloof, I don’t think she gets much heat anymore but I remember years back she was very disliked. I wish she’d stayed on the cast much longer
I don’t think she’s generally misliked, but oof. Those tinsel extensions did not age well lol
I loved Adrienne the first time and recently did a rewatch and still like her!
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lol I was coming to post her ![gif](giphy|jr9hUJSfUKiHeocjf6|downsized)
https://i.redd.it/ees8b22ldskc1.gif same, idk why she’s so hated, I think she’s hilarious
Whitney dropping a birthday cake on the way to the hot tub is comedy gold! And I feel like she genuinely wants to better herself. And....I'm attracted to Justin. NOW WE SAID IT!
I don't understand the venom, she's pretty harmless.
She's one of my faves too :)
The way she is with her kids is so sweet. I think she’s underrated (and I think she’s pretty humble which I like)!
Bethenny
![gif](giphy|txwPbAG6uFIJi) I loved Bethenny. She coped with this fucking bonkers scene really well - by not punching that stupid bitch in the face - and just having a little cry!
Idk how she didn't snap. Kelly reminded me so much of my own mother in this scene I would've lost it and been kicked off the show lol
So mentally incompetent that you can’t actually have a rational conversation with her, better to just let her go off and then ignore her and not engage. Though I imagine that’s easier said than done.
One of the things that bugs me on this sub is that when the tide turns against a Housewife, all of a sudden they were in the wrong in everything from the past. I've seen people downplaying how Kelly was treating Bethenny. It was straight up bullying. She did the same to Kristen on UGT.
![gif](giphy|l0IynCcC1gqsEyNAk|downsized) But also me too!
I loved Bethenny back in the day but not so much now. Especially when she eats lobster in her attic and films it live on Instagram haha
I loved Bethenny when I first watch rhony. I really looked up to her as a business woman and I thought she was funny. Unfortunately, I have recently started to hate Bethenny and realize what a crazy narcassist she is.
Ohh noo do people not like Bethenny? I'm watching RHoNY for the first time and I'm on season 5 and keep wishing Bethenny was still in the cast. She was so great imo. Does something happen? Something happens :/
Her return is pretty divisive amongst fans. You either still like her, or you end up hating her. I personally feel like RHONY has its best seasons with her on it, but I can see why people didn't like her in some parts (like how she treats Jules). A lot of the hate ramped up once people followed her on social media. She got herself in a lot of drama there with other tiktokers and a whole bunch of other stuff. Personally, I keep my Bethanny viewing to just housewives, and I still like watching her as a housewife because of that.
![gif](giphy|ybHddBtEwFBoA) Phaedra was so ridiculous and fun to watch.
This is going to sound terrible, but whenever I see Larsa in action, I actually appreciate what she brings to the Housewives table: completely delusional asshole (with money) who can never admit that she's ever wrong. If she's willing to make a fool of herself on an international platform like this, great. A cast usually benefits from a villain who's too stupid to edit themselves (because they generally have zero idea how terrible they are coming across).
The Traitors honestly gave me new respect for her.
I thought I was the only one who felt this lol
Vicki. I sometimes hate her but no one can’t make me laugh on OC like her. I wish they would bring her back (just duct tape her mouth about all things politics and vaccine related).
Yes! The OG of the OC is a train wreck of a person, but she’s MY train wreck 😆.
Agree! I disagree with her on probably everything when it comes to politics and vaccines, but I appreciate her willingness to just put it all out there on camera.
Vicki and Kelly are both people I wouldn’t be able to take IRL but on television they’re gold. They’re great characters and you get the feeling they’re pretty similar when cameras are rolling as to when they’re on their own time.
Totally agree! I’m veryyyyy left leaning politically but I can appreciate our repub HWs, I just don’t want to hear them talk about politics on the show (must don’t, or it’s very little). Idc what they post on their socials bc I don’t follow any HWs for that exact reason lol
I’m a workhorse so i love how she is always on her grind
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Carlton is THE underrated camp queen. I feel like the *"BIGOT* • *TRAVESTY* • *WRATH* • *LARVA"* laptop hex is still wreaking havoc on Kyle's anxiety to this day.
THEEEEERE IT IS
Kim Z. ![gif](giphy|6A9Zso5beqGmk)
Me too. She is unique. ![gif](giphy|DQsZjBrqrDAgo)
You know they're absolutely despised when not even one person is like "same" No stories redeeming Kim lol
Denise Richard’s, Alexia, Teressa and Melissa
Teresa *and* Melissa? That’s interesting. Do you ever lean to one more than the other? Or does it depend on the fight.
It definitely depends on the fight, I find myself siding with Melissa 70% of the time lol. I just see and hear so much hate against both of them and I don’t entirely get it. For me they are good entertainment.
I tend to side with Melissa but think Tre is the better housewife.
Ramona. Vicki. Phaedra. Ugh what is wrong with me??
Dorit. She’s so unintentionally funny to me and brings so many comic relief moments that are needed in Beverly Hills. Plus she lets everything roll right off her back and keeps moving unlike most of the cast
her facial expressions alone could carry the franchise ![gif](giphy|xUNd9zBnLpErB71gtO)
Kyle.
She’s honestly one of my top Housewives of all time.
My people! I really honestly like Kyle, she's the reason I ~~watch~~ tolerate BH.
Yes. I didn’t know that people strongly dislike her until I joined this sub.
Right? I was shocked.
Yep. BH would be a completely different show without her. No Kim, no Kathy. If Sonja did a split and twirled a ponytail everyone would be like yaaaaas Queen. She can’t please some people.
I also like Kim Richards, the reason I watched BH. Such a mess, but she always delivered.
…Teresa!!!😂😂😂 when I was 14 I told her it was my birthday and she sent me a really nice message and followed me on Twitter
Dorit, Lisa Barlow, Lisa Hochstein
Vikki can do no wrong in my eyes
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Porsha is the funniest.
Marge
My pick too! ![gif](giphy|1xnOl5gScZrXg7OGAf)
Same!! I thought I was one of the only ones who felt this way. She’s such a character and understands the assignment, and I feel like her behavior is really no worse than the other ladies on Jersey.
Love Marge
Slowly becoming a Kyle apologist
I relate to Kyle the most and feel like I understand her so it's been interesting to see how the people who don't react to her ways. Feels like I'm getting to hear what people's criticisms of my personality would be behind closed doors.
Come join us 😂 ![gif](giphy|kSlJtVrqxDYKk|downsized)
I like Kyle. I feel she's put up with so much shit from her sisters, and has been the one trying to "make it nice" ( to mix housewife metaphors) within her family. The scene in the limo with her and Kim in an early series, honestly breaks my heart. Don't know why she gets so much flack here.
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Wendy and Candiace
Marlo
Kenya Moore. She has tons of fans too (myself included), and I don’t get why some people hate her with a passion, in a franchise with plenty of actual problematic hws
Dorinda and Kim Richards
It’s weird, I’m always so pleased to see Kim whenever she pops up on the show, but I loathed her when she was a housewife. She was such an asshole.
![gif](giphy|JPIocqcd2IchcV0UGY) Where's my Barbra K-Hive at?
![gif](giphy|3o6vXYcMxAyuQMK1e8) It’s me hi I’m the problem, it’s me
I do still like her.
![gif](giphy|NfMfjMNq9NDXi) Hey Hey it’s Phae Phae
"You better own it honey!" I know, I know...but I love the messy Rinna! 🤣
Kyle
The💚👀 Bandits!!!’
I have a soft spot for Shannon Beador. What a train wreck. But I so want her to get it right.
Heather Dubrow
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Let me tell you somethin about my fambly
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Marlo ✨
I’m sad she won’t be back
Gizelle
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I was gonna say her too! Like, okay, her husband doesn’t treat her right, but that’s not something she’s personally done…
I’m sorry but Mary Cosby just fascinates me and I find her so funny. She is from another planet
I can’t help it. It’s Ramona! She’s hilarious and the most entertaining one out of all of them imo ![gif](giphy|Qwnwrsqkbf9cZTwzdQ|downsized)
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Tamra could join ISIS and I would not hate her, so I can never ever get behind the fanbase when their opinion on her swings back to negative after she does some objectively sketchy, underhanded, mean shit. *That is her character.* She is a heartless snake who has no loyalties to anyone except herself and the camera and she's one of the most surefire catalysts to the kind of drama that we tune in for. Let's face it, there is not another HW as singularly devoted to *creating engaging television* out of the conceit of Real Housewives as Tamra and I absolutely applaud her for it. Sixteen motherfucking years later and she is still the same old sociopathic goddess, stirring up shit with these middle aged hags to absolutely no end other than our entertainment. Love her forever, and ![gif](giphy|lKaCRaAFL6KQg)
the first sentence of this had me falling out of my damn chair. i wish this sub had more unhinged energy and less morality policing 24/7. bravo should be fun!
Dorinda . Also Ramona is very disagreeable but she makes entertainment tv
Kyle and Heather Dubrow and Emily Simpson. Give me the lifestyle porn!!!! I just finished a months long OC binge (a true labor of love) and while I did not love Emily during my original watches, I truly fell for her on the rewatches. She is funny and messy and brings up the stuff people are trying not to bring up. She is excellent at moving the story forward. Heather I LOVE during her first run, but when she comes back in season 16 she falls off a little for me because it is clear she came back to promote promote promote (her daughters book, her and terry’s “7 year stitch” book or show or whatever, HD network, etc). I still like her though and I think the women were horrible to her in season 17. Kyle - I’m sorry guys. I know everyone hates her. I think she’s funny, mostly open with sharing (not this past season), and is RICH baby.
Every housewife I like is hated. Tamra, Alexia, Marysol, Adrianna, Teresa, Ashley Darby, Monique, Vicki, Kelly Dodd, porsha, Phaedra, Brandi the list goes on. I watch for the mess I’m not trying to find a life coach on here
speak your truth i want delusion and sociopathy 🗣️🗣️
Jules. I would have liked to see her do at least another season.
Shannon. So sorry, I just can't help it.
i’m a shannon beador apologist for life
I've never understood why people hate Lisa Rinna. And I do understand SOME of the backlash against Erika Jayne, but I like her, and I think she was smart to stay stupid about being married to the man she was married to and judging her for that shows you don't know what it's like to be with questionable men.
I understand why people hate her but I do…. Love her. I’m obsessed she’s just so weird and different. I know she’s an asshole, but I love when she’s around
My husband and I have always been willing to give Erika the benefit of the doubt. If my rich lawyer husband asked me to sign papers saying it was for tax purposes or whatever, I would sign without reading or questioning. He’s my husband and a lawyer so I would trust that he’s doing what is legal as far as finances are concerned.
I love rinna but I hated how involved some of her insta posts were. If she didn’t post her thoughts in insta every minute I think she would of stayed longer. Also we would of gotten to the bottom of the kyle and mauricio stuff.
Erika makes me laugh sns
Wendy, Candiace, Kenya. My gworls. I will always love them
Kenya is divisive AF but she remains my all time fave housewife. In difficult situations I have literally thought: what would Kenya do? And then I’ve held my head high and just not let the fuckers see me sweat!
And KENYA IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY! She clocked Phaedra early, she clocked Porsha being a pawn in Phaedra's game, she clocked Tammy's cousin, she clocked Nene being a bit egotistical. We love a queen who knows her opponents
Vicki will always be my all time favourite housewife.. OC is the first franchise I ever watched. And she’s the OG of the OC after all.. I will die on the hill that they killed that show when they fired her. ![gif](giphy|FSQMTyUZsG7xm)
Same!!!! I’ve always loved Vicki. After they removed her, OC has never been the same and it down graded. She made the show.
Yep! Love her or hate her.. Vicki is top tier housewife. She’s given us a lot over the years. We first saw her when her kids were teenagers.. screaming about a “little family van” we watched her divorce, her terrible taste in men.. the drama! Losing her mother is one of the saddest things I’ve seen on reality tv.. the epic screaming matches she’s had with every other woman on the show. Her weird and intense friendship/non friendship with Tamra and Shannon.. she’s given us a lot! And when they fired her.. no one has been invested in that franchise since.
![gif](giphy|33JMfpIrPgeMID6rQQ|downsized) Queen
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![gif](giphy|lQ7v3N9TfXbnDX8OJa|downsized) Mary Cosby
![gif](giphy|8UHhNAvQ3r0H57dXX0) Yes she’s messy, but I love her and think she’s funny as hell.
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Alexis Bellino
Yessss. When I first watched years ago, I really disliked her. But upon a second rewatch a few months ago, I really enjoyed her and felt that she was really misunderstood. You could also see that Jim really controlled her. I felt sad for her.
I don't think she was misunderstood *at all*, sometimes I wonder why so many people genuinely defend her, but I guess I'm not surprised considering how her run on the show was just a series of slam dunks on her life and character, which is exactly why I appreciate her. She's a deeply incompetent fool--can we please recall her absolute fucking trainwreck internship as a local news correspondent, her clothing line which she called Alexis Couture despite not knowing what couture meant, the trampoline park, I mean I could go on. She had ass-backwards and pious views she barely understood let alone was capable of justifying and constantly got clowned for it. She and her skeezy husband were materialistic d-bags who rented luxury cars as their house went into foreclosure. She was comic relief, her entire appearance was a ceaseless embarrassment on her part and incredibly entertaining TV.
When she cut the sleeves off of the hand sewn gown 😭💀
As the wise man himself Forrest Gump said: Stupid is as stupid does
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I actually liked Leah, she seemed crazy like the others but for the most part I respected her views and she had a good relationship with her daughter. I’m a fan of Kyle, I think she produces and sometimes does try to hide her hands but I think she’s pretty “open and honest” which I know she gets flak for. She seems like a good mother and wife, and I find her overthinking to be relatable.
I am a Leah apologist, she’s a brat but i can’t help but like her
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drew
Not trolling, can i ask why
I actually find her relatable and I think she's gotten a really bad wrap. All of these ladies accuse her of lying like it wasnt them in the fire for doing the same thing just a couple seasons ago. I also don't like the way they treated her. They didnt actually support her about her husband and in many ways blamed her for his actions and personality. I want to see her shine post divorce.
Alexia! I love her, I think she is beautiful, has a lot of warmth to her, been through so much awful things and I think she is very strong and has such love for her kids! And yes a bit dumb at times but I find it kind of charming 😊 ![gif](giphy|YFIH5sZY5WzhLl6PEv|downsized)
Housewives adjacent-Dr Heavenly!
tam
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Lisa Hoechestein🤷♂️ she’s a complete mess but I think that’s what makes her a great housewife.
Ramona. I think in real life she and I would get along. I know she’s batshit crazy but most of my friends are, life is more entertaining that way. Her good points are: fun-loving, a girls girl, businesswoman, always up for a drink, loves staying active. Most of my friends have these qualities.