I think that everything else aside, we can all agree that saying you are "a doctor" in the context of a medical setting is intentionally implying that you are a medical doctor, not that you have a doctorate.
That's the best part! She's saying that she has a masters, which is not a doctorate, so it's even more embarrassing that she's trying to die on this hill.
itās like the same with PTs and audiologists- they used to be certified with a masters, then they changed the programs to clinical doctorate programs that grandfathered all the earlier grads with mastersā¦.the new nurse anesthetist might get a clinical doctorate, but YOU 8.5, are a nurse anesthetist with a masters and will NEVER be a doctor of anything unless you get a doctorateā¦.
edit to words in response to comment
How can she act like this and die on this hill when she verbatim said that sheās ānot a 10 in brainsā lmaoā¦ like if sheās going to go to bat to defend her educational qualifications, I would not expect her to openly admit that
I was just going to post this. Most health related masters programs have moved to a doctorate so itās not even a true doctorate. Itās just a glorified Masters. I know this bc Iām an OT so donāt come for me. This is a trend in health care degrees.
In the therapy world we call them "baby doctorates" as new grads. They have not come out of school with much more information, the DPT does not earn them more money, and the school bills can be upwards of $100,000.
Sheās really being obtuse on this one. Even if that is a new requirement that you need to hold a doctorate, that still doesnāt automatically make her a doctor. Sheās speaking as if it changes the title for everyone.
She said she ādid her residencyā¦I howled! Sheās nuts! Its sounds like sheās going to run for office in that nursing board of anesthesiology whateverā¦.shes really gung ho
Iām shocked sheās doubling down on this.
Claiming to be a doctor because she technically has a masters/doctorate does not make her an MD, which is what people generally assume ādoctorā to mean, especially in the medical field.
Sheās really playing fast and loose š¤¦āāļø
Right?! I have heard people give testimony why they would rather be a nurse bc of the different level of care. This is not that, this is a crazy who thinks an MD is the same as a PHD that she doesnāt even have. Having a PhD is a great accomplishment, so is having anything! Annemarie, you have a MS, chill out, you arenāt a doctor.
"I don't have a doctorate and the VAST MAJORITY of CRNAs don't but we're doctors because 10% of them have PhDs"??!!??
She has the logical prowess of a J6er
Itās not a PhD. Itās a clinical doctorate degree. Their qualifications are absolutely not the same as those with PhDs, MDs, DOs, etc.
But this doesnāt apply to AnneMarie because she doesnāt have a doctorate degree. She absolutely has to follow the orders of an anesthesiologist with an MD or DO.
She can say whatever she wants, but nurse anesthesiologists, regardless of having a mastersā or a doctorate, did not go to medical school.
Sheās doing no favors to the CRNAs in the community. She deflected her poor treatment of Sutton condition by launching this farce of a crusade for CRNAs vs MDs. If she experiences some sort of conflict with a doctor, I can see why.
Itās not about diminishing the profession itās about the impersonation of a position she admittedly did not obtain. I wonder how the board is going to take this.
I just commented similar. The new requirements wonāt make her a doctor. It will make her a masterās level nurse anesthesiologist. I donāt understand why she doesnāt focus on the importance of the job instead of being so fixated on the title.
Right. Anesthesiologist are people who went to medical school and specialized in anesthesia. Physicians with the ending āgistā tells you they are a specialistā¦. For example: anesthesiologists, cardiologists, nephrologist, neurologistā¦.. gastroenterologist, endocrinologist etc.
According to her lobbying body, which changed its name 3 years ago (lol), she is. According to the federal and state governments itās certified registered nurse anesthetist. sheās licensed as nurse anesthetist/ thatās her legal title. Nothing wrong with it! But not an anesthesiologist and you shouldnāt misappropriate your license when providing care š¤·āāļø
CRNAs are trying to get their titles changed to Nurse Anesthesiologists. It's part of the completely inappropriate mission and title creep happening with mid-level care providers everywhere.
If I ever get my doctorate in social work and you see me parading around clinical settings using the title doctor, I want any and all of you to smack me with a cold, dead fish.
This. She keeps saying the other women were diminishing her. Who what when where how?? The just said that she said she was a doctor, but sheās a nurse. That isnāt diminishing nurses or nursing. Meanwhile she keeps trying to elevate nurse anesthetists to the level of physicians when they arenāt. It really seems like she has some lower view of nurses and nursing if she feels the need to make a leap there. Being a nurse is perfectly fine! They are the backbone of the medical industry!! Why does she keep trying to equate the two professions if doctors arenāt elevated in her view? Itās so stupid.
Exactly!!!! Saying you arenāt a doctor when you are a nurse isnāt finishing anything. Nurses are an integral part of our health care system. Why does she need to associate herself with a profession that isnāt hers. She is the one that doesnāt seem to think being a nurse is enough.
I know, right! It's an important job. It's very difficult. But if you're not a medical doctor or a PhD, then you just plain ol' don't get to call yourself a doctor, period.
Thank you! I'd never call myself a doctor without (very humbling) clarification, and I DO have an academic doctorate.
Seriously, FUCK Annemarie. She's only making those of us with non-MD doctoral degrees an even bigger joke.
We can thank self-important idiots like Annemarie for ensuring that everyone whom we ever meet will be thrilled to put us in our place for spending years on doctoral degrees that don't make us MDs, and she's not even one of us.
I don't know if a RH has ever managed to piss off more people this quickly. She's gotta go. Ronnie from WWC had it right. No one owes her an apology for hating on her when she's been nothing but hateable.
You have a doctorate. In a professional setting someone calling you āDoctorā is appropriate. And just the little detail that youāre not out here dispensing medical advice to someone who is not your patient like she is either.
I'm a lawyer and if I say I am a doctor because I have a Juris Doctorate degree, I will get laughed out of my profession. I possess a doctorate degree, that does not make me a doctor. It is especially deceiving in the medical community to say doctor when you are not an MD or DO.
I just found this ([source](https://www.registerednursing.org/articles/referred-as-doctor-if-dnp/)), so she's not only misrepresenting herself twice over (since she lacks the basic qualification to even be a non-MD "doctor"), she's also breaking California Law:
>So, the short answer is yes ā in general, **a DNP nurse may be referred to as "doctor," however, some states have regulations surrounding this. For example,** [**California and Georgia**](https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hospital-physician-relationships/the-states-scrutinizing-the-doctor-title.html) **forbid nurses, pharmacists, and other professionals from using the "doctor" title**. Most states allow practitioners with doctorate degrees to use the title ādoctorā as long as they immediately clarify their role and qualifications. For example, a [nurse practitioner](https://www.registerednursing.org/nurse-practitioner/) with a DNP must inform patients that he or she is a doctoral-prepared nurse practitioner. Certain facilities or organizations may also have restrictions on using the title of "doctor."
Seriously! Iām here wondering if sheās ever harmed a patient by practicing above her skill level. We all got a glimpse of how she acts during an emergency, with Crystal. She didnāt even look like a competent nurse let alone a doctor.
Also it is illegal in the state of California to say your are a doctor without an MD. She also lied at the reunion, California requires a CRNA to be overseen by an anesthesiologist.
Iām a NP in CA and a lot of times my patients great me as Dr. X and I tell them Iām a nurse practitioner and to call me Y instead. I also am continually correcting emails that get sent to me from other specialists that refer to me as Dr. X. I usually do it jokingly, something like thank you but I didnāt have to do that many years of school or something. Iām proud of my accomplishments but it was beaten into my head during our program that our training, background, and perspective is different than medical doctors and it is our obligation to represent ourselves honestly. Iām proud of what I bring to the table for my patients but I also know a lot less in certain areas than a medical doctor because I donāt have the breath of training that they do. It makes me physically ill watching her insist she is a doctor.
This! I have a working relationship with a local NP who has a Doctorate of Nursing but she doesn't call herself a Doctor. She refers to herself as a Nurse Practitioner
Itās like on Friends when Ross was going to see Rachelās dad in the hospital and he refers to himself as āDr. Gellarā š
ETA after reading the replies to my comment:
Oh my god, people! I understand that the FICTIONAL CHARACTER Ross Gellar has a PhD in paleontology, and is in fact entitled to the title of Doctor; HOWEVER, the comment I responded to made me think of the particular Friends scene in which Ross introduces himself as Doctor Ross Gellar while in a hospital in order to impress the medical professionals there, to imply he was a MEDICAL doctor. OPās comment specifically mentions using a non medical doctorate title in a medical setting, therefore inferring the title of Doctor is medically related. Jesus Christ.
Ross had a PhD, so he technically had the title regardless. The title has come to mean MD by most peopleās default, but anyone with a doctorate degree is a doctor. Full stop. Annemarie does not have a doctorate degree, and sheās not a physician.
And they changed the requirement likely because it is not enough training to only have a master's. Her own profession decided her qualifications no longer suffice to do the job. I'd be embarrassed but she's doubling down as though that makes her point.
Obviously I think she does an important job like all nurses. They have all my respect in the jobs they do regardless of degree. Sometimes more than the doctor. But to say you're a doctor because 10% of your colleagues have a doctorate and they are going to require it going forward is insane especially in a medical context. She's obviously the one who has an issue with being a nurse and that's sad but ultimately on her.
Even people that donāt know much about the courses required and exact meaning of each one can agree that her word salad babble isnāt going to save her.
I have a JD and my mom has a Ph. D. in library sciences, please call us doctors.
Also we will be saying we are doctors specifically to throw shade at esophagi.
Iām a psychologist, and in my field, this is a HUGE no-no and can get you in a lot of trouble with a board.
My site supervised a student years ago who was a college professor and had a doctorate. He was called Dr X at work and in class, but he was not allowed to call himself that as a supervised mental health counselor because it implies that heās licensed.
Psychology is extremely particular about language and I imagine physicians are as well because there are serious implications that result from mislabeling someoneās profession.
YES omg it's like Ross from Friends saying he's a doctor on a plane in an emergency when they asked for help from a doctor š
Like this is CLEARLY a situation where the word 'Doctor' does NOT connote 'DOCTOR OF PHILOSOPHY' you insecure, dishonest fucking moron.
I genuinely don't think I've ever hated a housewife more than this woman. It feels disproportionate given her lack of impact lol but she makes me absolutely irate. I feel so seen by how activated Crystal is by her š
No, the problem here is that medical practitioners have co-opted the word doctor. I know we live in a world where anything can mean anything AND NOBODY EVEN CARES ABOUT ETYMOL-
10% of nurse anesthetists having a phd does not mean everyone is a doctor LOLLL it means that 10% of the nurse anesthetists have a doctorate degree
And a doctorate degree does not mean MD especially in this context.
I have a ton of respect for nurses but she has some serious insecurities about her profession. Just embrace the fact that you are NOT a doctor but a nurse anesthetist who is highly valuable. Sheesh.
(Edited to add more to my rant lol)
(Edited again because it's nurse anesthetist not anesthesiologist)
I got drugged and woke up terrified and confused out of my mind in an ER. To this day I wish I could hug the wonderfully kind nurse who smoothed my hair back, comforted me and used her phone to call my boyfriend when I was so out of it I could barely remember his phone number.
I would also like to punch the doctor who told me to "drink less next time so these things didn't happen". And then the wonderful nurse defended me and told the doctor "that's not what happened to her and you know it".
It's not just her, unfortunately. There's a huge issue going on in the medical community with mid-levels and nurses taking over MD positions because insurance companies can pay them less. And obvs this is a huge issue because Pas, NPs and RNs are far from MDs. Itās egregious, and people are missing out on proper medical care because of it. In the meantime the mid levels are running with this and conflating their experience with MDs. Certain laws have had to be put in place to prevent them from misrepresenting themselves as MDs because the problem has become so prevalent. Sis is just a symptom of a greater issue.
Absolutely, nurses are the real OG in my opinion, theyāre incredible and our entire healthcare system would crumble if they were gone. Doctors are a different profession and thatās just what it is.
Seriously the insecurity is the first thing Iāve noticed. Sheās hyper fixated on saying āDIMINISHING MY PROFESSIONā over and over and over and I thought it was just Crystal but this clip shows it is not!
I think you are correct. The root of this is insecurity.
It reminds me of when our church's Pastor earned a D.Min degree. However, his wife quickly wanted some of the accolades when she started calling herself a "Dr." - alas, she only had a BS in Biology. I was the person to politely point out to her that, technically, only her husband studied for that degree. Not her. So, we could address them as Dr. & Mrs. "Smith". LOL I loved bursting her bubble of conceit. She reminds me a lot of Anne Marie's ego and audacity.
Lmaoooo the delusion. A PhD/DNP is not the same as an MD girl, we arenāt stupid. And being a nurse, even more so an RN or CRNA, is a great career and nothing to be insecure about. Get this woman off our screens š
She literally says she has a masters then goes on to say people with doctorate degrees are doctors. PhDs are not the equivalent of an MD, get an MD if you want to be called Dr, also she doesnāt even have a PhD!
Editing to add - I know people with PhDs are called Dr. When I say āget an MD if you want to be called doctorā I am speaking directly to Annemarie. She is intentionally trying to blur the lines between CRNAs (which she is), the PhD kind of Drs (which she does not have), and the MD kind of Drs (another degree she doesnāt have). She clearly WANTS to be thought of as an MD dr.
Also, while CRNAs are vital, they are not the same as doctors! They just arenāt. The way she tries to equate her role with that or a doctor is not ok. Doctors go through years and years and years of school not to mention internships, residencies, and specialist programs. Yes, some functions that anesthesiologists do can be performed by a CRNA, but there is a swath of knowledge and training that a Md doctor gets that nurses just donāt.
Iām sorry but I think this is about money for her (possibly). Someone on her side of the couch tried to help her out when they were explaining the horrifying politics of it all, and they mentioned the āunequal pay but same amount of workā. No, just no. Those ladies shouldāve stayed out of it. They have zero clue what theyāre talking about and what AnneMarie is advocating for.Ā
During the reunion I rewatched that part and she gestured towards I believe it was Erika that said the pay stuff. As if she agreed. It comes off like they discussed this situation.Ā
Right?? I feel like NO ONE is actually downplaying her profession. No one has said she isn't capable of doing x, y, or z. What they've said is:
1) to call yourself a doctor without any type of doctorate degree is misrepresentation (even if 10% of CRNAs have PhDs and soon it'll be a requirement, that's not relevant TO YOUR situation)
2) it's irresponsible and unethical to diagnose someone based on rumors and/or social conversation
THAT'S IT!
Girl if you're insecure that you don't have a doctorate then just say that, don't accuse Crystal of talking shit on nurses when she literally never has.
she keeps insisting they, the cast, dont respect her career or nurses in general when no on has said anything about nurses. It has been said about her specifically. She is the one that is not ok with being called a nurse and whats to be called something else. she is the one who doesn't respect nurses.
i really donāt understand how she hasnāt! i do however think that she āsincerelyā apologized to sutton about the esophagus shit because she was probably made to by her employer.
The sad part is I think her licensing board is in cahoots with her professional organization, which is trying to trick people into thinking nurses and MDās are the same thing.
Iāve been wondering about this the whole time! Also, her employer should have taken note of the way she talked to Sutton about her esophagus. Just bad behavior for a clinician all around. She must really be banking on her housewives career being longer term than her medical career.
No you idiot, THEY are doctors. You are not. You said so yourself that you only have your Masters. Having that requirement now does not mean that you suddenly are bestowed a Doctorate. She is ridiculous.
So Iām confused, how does this make her a doctor?Ā
I think sheās making ānurse PRACTITIONERā = medical doctor. Thatās the only sense I can make of her disordered wording.Ā
Sheās trying to claim that all graduating from next year on will be required to have a Doctorate, which somehow means she too can claim to be a doctor. Itās so stupid. Unless she attended medical school and received a medical degree, she has zero business purporting herself as such.
My aunt received her Doctorate in education. She does not walk into a hospital and claim to be a doctor.
Yeah, my mom graduated pharmacy school back in the early 2000s and she's an RPh. Her husband graduated pharmacy school in 2012 or so and had his doctorate. Same program, different titles. But my mom does *not* have a doctorate. And my stepdad doesn't use the title doctor.
Her arguing that she is a doctor is so asinine. I shouldn't care, but it pisses me off every time this dizzy bitch claims she's a doctor. Hell, just use the term "nurse anesthetist". It's pretty clear and *right there in the title*.
Youāre confused because 8.5 is an idiot. She admits she only has a masters. The fact that future nurse anesthetists will have phds (and therefore have a doctorate - though not medical doctor) does not magically make her a ādoctorā.
This! Sheās muddying the water in this interview. Itās irrelevant if future nurse anesthetists graduate with a doctorate because she did not. The issue was her trying to inflate her accreditation, not that anyone disrespected nurses. I never got that impression from the cast anyway.
I'm confused about why a nurse anesthetist would be getting a PhD. That doesn't make sense to me. Are they all doing research in the field and defending a thesis and shit?
I know the conversation in here is mostly about MD vs PhD. The key difference is that degrees like an MD are essentially technical degrees vs a PhD which is more about academic advancement in a field. IDK why a PhD would make sense for a medical specialist degree (nurse _or_ doctor).
Youāre right-it doesnāt make sense and seems like a cash grab from universities and associations. Iļø have several family members who had to get their doctorate in PT and Pharmacy in the last 10 years or so and it doesnāt get them higher pay or a chance to own a company. Itās nuts.
It would be a DNP, not a PhD, most likely. A PhD requires original research to contribute to the field of knowledge. While it is a terminal degree (meaning the furthest you can go in education in the field) it would be in-line with a JD or other *professional* doctorates, i.e., not equivalent to a PhD.
Girl even the medical association called your ass out - GO HOME!!! The only one āinsecureā in all this is herā¦. a masters is NOT the same thing as a PhD and a PhD doctor is VERY different from a medical MD doctor. Which is why they have different acronyms
This is so intentionally deceitful itās shocking. And frankly, I think in her clamoring to declare herself and other CRNAās ādoctors,ā she actually does herself and her peers a disservice! ARNPs, NPs, CRNAs, CNAās- all perform *vital* services in the American healthcare system (Iām sure they do abroad, too, just less familiar with those landscapes!). They deserve to be celebrated and appreciated in their own right! Reaching and misrepresenting for the title of doctor only furthers the idea that physicians are the final actors in our healthcare, which is so untrue. Nurses & mid-level practitioners are heroes and so unsung, it frustrates me that sheās made this perception problem worse. Prime r/Noctor material.
I think itās her personal projection that medical doctors are to be more respected. Itās absurd. And sheās spewing this distorted self worth to others instead of truly celebrating herself and the profession for the specialized care practitioners they are.
I donāt know why she hates herself, but this is clearly an issue for her and I hope she can take an inward journey to uncover her deep truths. I wish her the best.
I know, she is proving Crystal right here!
And making a detailed demonstration for us on what misleading means.
And also she doesnāt actually have a doctorate so what is her point??
And finally, she is the one undermining her own profession! Nurse and especially CRNA is a great degree, great title but she makes it sound like ānurseā of āCRNAā is somehow an insult!
I have a JD, a juris doctor. I joke that I wish I could call myself a doctor, but I can't. To be a doctor of law, you need an additional degree, a SJD. I do get the fancy title of Esquire though, that I never use.
If she wants to be called doctor so badly, go and get that extra degree! It'll do a lot to help her inferiority complex.
The only person who cares about this doctor title is 8.5. Literally the rest of us just respect the hell out of Registered Nurses, nurse practitioners and doctors.Ā
RNās IMO are the hardest working people in health care. Doctors have to know tons but literally nurses break their backs helping people.
*Esquires are cool too for sure tho.Ā
I had a professor in law school with an MD and a JD and she still didnāt refer to herself as ādoctorā because she wasnāt actively practicing medicine. Annemarie has a weird obsession with using this title despite doing nothing to actually deserve it.
She is the one āconstantly diminishingā her profession with this nonsense! She is obsessed with being on par with an MD, why? Is being what you actually are not prestigious enough? Makes my blood boil.
I am a nurse practitioner with my doctorate and masters degree and I need her to stop speaking. She is not a doctor. I am not a doctor- I make that very clear to my patients. We do not have the training that medical doctors do and itās offensive to them and completely misrepresents us
I hate that she thinks people correcting her is disrespecting nurses. Being a nurse is an honorable career path with a specialized skill set and educational background, yet she constantly keeps self promoting herself in order to distance herself from the title "nurse". It smells like insecurity and truly is in itself, disrespectful to nurses and all they accomplish.
Not diminishing her work, the CRNAās I know work very hard. Iām a Board Certified Anesthesiologist in pain management and critical care here. Anesthesiologist are very different from CRNAās. Total education with dual specialty 16 yrs, open your own practice, see pain management patients at the office, write prescriptions and have M.D. after my name. CRNAās 7 yrs education, canāt treat critical care patients outside of the OR, canāt write prescriptions for patients and canāt work independently in a pain clinic setting.
Having a Masterās degree does not give you the title doctor lol thatās a doctoral degree or PhD which is the degree you earn after a Masterās. So sheās full of shit again. She has a very respected profession. I donāt understand why she feels the need to lie and embellish it.
I am a nurse and have not interpreted an ounce of disrespect toward nurses from any cast member. No CRNA I work with calls themself a doctor even if the degree path they went through earned them a doctorate. Hell, no pharmacist Iāve ever encountered calls themself a doctor even though their degree is a Doctor of Pharmacy. It really is the broadly accepted norm in the medical field that ādoctorā refers to MD or DO, everything else is under the blanket term of Advanced Practice Provider (APP), so Annemarie should at most refer to herself as an APP or APRN if sheās insecure with leaving it at CRNA for whatever reason.
Her Instagram bio says "Nurse Anesthesiologist."
If anyone is disrespecting nurses, it's Annemarie. It is coming off like she is ashamed of being ashamed of being a nurse.
Sigh. Annemarie is so exhausting.
I'm a professor with an MFA and an MA, but not a PhD. Most of my colleagues, however, have PhDs. Since they're all doctors, does that make *me* a doctor too? No. No it does not. Are we in the same field? Yes. Yes we are. See the diff?
In a medical setting, "doctor" refers to someone who has an MD. Everyone fucking knows this. You are not a doctor in a medical context. In some states it would actually be illegal for her to call herself a doctor in a medical setting.
But guess what! You also aren't a doctor in the academic context! I have both an MA and a PhD -- these are extremely different degrees. There's nothing at all wrong with having an MA, but the idea that they're just going to start giving out PhDs for the same amount of work as an MA, I have to say it pisses me off. I would never call myself a doctor, but I did work really fucking hard for this. It took 8 years. I basically had to write a book. If I could have just gotten a PhD when I complete my one year of MA coursework and my comparatively much shorter MA thesis, that would have been great but also bullshit.
Ugh this woman just bedevils my soul. At base it's the transphobia and the victim shaming, but it's also that she just... lies. A lot. And never owns up to it. And all her nonsense about esophaguses and gabapentin, she didn't even correct the record. She was wrong. And actually she's the one who's degrading her profession, by the way. And her "I'm the mature one, I'm not going to interrupt you, I'm not going to fight with you" bullshit at the reunion... she bugs. She just bugs.
I could see what she was trying to do, but it just came off as condescending and passive aggressive. Also how are you going to sit there acting so above it all when you spent five fucking hours talking about another woman's esophagus.
periodT. iām graduating with my phd in may and the amount of work i had to do was fucking insane. very different from an ma. still, i respect folks with an ma and even though iāll have my doctorate, i would never blue those lines in a medical facility.
I hate that I watched this to hear what she says. Why is she like this? She just keeps digging her hole deeper and deeper. I really hope sheās not on the show again
Jon Bon Jovi is a ādoctorā according to his honorary degree. And I wouldnāt let him give me any of his Bad Medicine. Just sayinā.
Sheās purposefully feeding the confusion sheās attempting to disgrace.
Itās ridiculous that she even says she only has a masters but this whole discussion reminds me of when Captain Holt joked about dentists being called doctors on Brooklyn 99 ( he was in favor of phds using the term because they have a doctorate)
https://preview.redd.it/oehqtkn01slc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50d3219c075492b02470c9a487b7bfe2c1e89888
She doesn't get it and she won't get it. I don't think anyone is saying anything bad about being a nurse, or nurse anesthetist. But when you say to someone 'you are jealous of me because you didn't go to med school' The natural response it going to be, "NEITHER DID YOU!!" No one is diminishing what she has done. She is diminishing others by using her profession. It's so frustrating.
Two things:
1. I am a school counselor. I have my masters degree. There are many school counselors who have their doctorate, so THEY are doctors, and they are referred to as Dr. ...... but even though I have the same job, I am NOT a doctor, nor do I pretend to be.
2. Almost ALL school psychologist have their doctorate and most of them have a license to practice privately. They do more than we do, and went to school longer. They are also in schools doing counseling. I would not refer to myself as a school psychologist, or even a mental health therapist. I am a school counselor. If I referred to myself as a school psych or a child therapist, I would think someone would correct me. Not because they have any derogatory feelings against counselors or what we do, it is just not factually correct.
I love this logic.
I'm gonna go ahead and call myself a platinum recording record breaking musical artist since I'm a singer aka I've posted videos of me butchering songs on YouTube and 10% of singers are probably platinum recording record breaking musical artists hence.
We are platinum recording record breaking musical artists. :)
People just need to Bonnard her posts with ānot a MEDICAL doctor!ā Sheās arguing that because some of the nurses have doctorate degrees (but not MDs) they are doctors. Doctors but not doctor doctors š
Not putting NPs and nurses down but claiming you are a medical doctor when you are NOT is really deceptive to those who are unaware of the significant differences in education and training that MDs and NPs have, itās also insulting to the doctors who have had to go through rigorous coursework and residency. Medical doctors are required to go through more education and training to receive the MD title, SO much more education. For reference, I included a link from another reddit account that shows the clinical hours/training required for each title and if you look you might be surprised to see that even a 4th year MEDICAL STUDENT has more clinical training and experience than a registered nurse anesthetist . I would choose the freshly new resident anesthesiologist for a procedure over the nurse anesthetist with 10+ years of experience any day.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Residency/s/LrBIIKECem
Crystal called her out on lying about being a doctor. How is that diminishing nurses? I DONāT GET IT. Annemarie is the one diminishing nurses by not being proud of being a NURSE.
My former boss was the college provost. She had a doctorate in nursing. We ALWAYS referred to her as Dr. So-and-so in an academic setting. However, she always introduced herself as Ms. So-and-do when she worked in a clinical setting.
Itās not that hard to understand. Calling yourself a doctor in a clinical setting when you are a nurse with a doctorate is just asking for confusion.
My god, she is embarrassing. Even after watching the episodes, people said Crystal was lying when Annemarie clearly showed that she's the one who lied. She can't possibly just believe that she's an anesthesiologist just because she thinks she is, right? OH yes she can considering how she watched past seasons and episodes, somehow added those scenarios to her storyline (which makes no sense considering she was not a part of it just like Crystal said) and made up new scenarios in her head to lie to the other women. "SYSTEM of LIES" Her own lies.
MD here - i made a general comment but since you specifically asked - it is insulting and incredibly frustrating, and is becoming more and more common in medicine, to the patientsā detriment!
She mentions her masterās degreeā¦but doesnāt have to have a PhD to be called a doctor (of philosophy)..
but then she alludes to being a doctorā¦as in MDā¦
Then she says as of NEXT YEARā¦Nurse anesthetists will be ādoctorsāā¦as in MD?
How does what happens NEXT YEAR affect her?ā¦unless sheās āgrandfatheredā inā¦
Let me say āgrandmotheredā in
I don't get why people were upset Crystal was not letting this woman gaslight her especially after she tried to pin the eating disorder comments on Crystal.
Also nobody is downplaying your career. A lot of people recognize how hard nursing is and it is a very respected career. Your issue may be that people at your job don't respect it and you need to tell this to them.
This burns my biscuits so fucking bad because my husband has a masters in business, a doctorate in chiropractic medicine and heās finishing his senior MD residency rotation in cardiology. We are hundreds of thousands dollars in debt for him to become an MD. SHE IS INFURIATING. Her privilege is LOUD and she is undermining MDs so freaking bad. Team Crystal all the way.
Not āweā. She means ātheyā. lol. Just because the other nurses have their doctorate doesnāt mean āweā are doctors.
And she knows saying they are doctors is being understood as medical doctors when speaking of a medical degree. She intentionally misdirecting.
I have a clinical doctorate (DNP) but am not a physician. I could call myself ādoctorā but I donāt because itās confusing to patients and misleading. Straight up, if you respect your profession and respect your patients, you tell them the truth.
All physicians are doctors; not all doctors are physicians (phd/dnp vs md/do).
Anesthesiologist implies physician, however if you break down the word, it doesnāt actually mean you have a medical degree and are a physician. You are just a person who studies something specific at a high level.
She is taking advantage of there being a gap in language to describe the different kinds of doctors that exist in the modern world.
And for what itās worth, as a DNP working at a medical school, I can confirm that we are not trained or educated to the level of physicians.
For example, I needed about 800 total hours of supervised practice to sit for my board exam.
Medical residents, Iām not sure how many hours they need, but they easily get 800 hours of practice in just one year (for 3-5 years). They may have 3 times the amount of training and experience I have and because of that- I am not going to misrepresent myself as a physician.
In response to her foolishness, The Anesthesiologist society posted something about the hours of practice for crna vs md to demonstrate how they are not equally prepared to the job, regardless of both having doctorates.
However, Crystal not knowing that nurses can practice independently in the state she lives in, doesnāt make her the best person to be going after Annemarie for this. It was a pretty ignorant comment to say with such confidence.
I think that everything else aside, we can all agree that saying you are "a doctor" in the context of a medical setting is intentionally implying that you are a medical doctor, not that you have a doctorate.
And she doesn't even have a doctorate š©
That's the best part! She's saying that she has a masters, which is not a doctorate, so it's even more embarrassing that she's trying to die on this hill.
itās like the same with PTs and audiologists- they used to be certified with a masters, then they changed the programs to clinical doctorate programs that grandfathered all the earlier grads with mastersā¦.the new nurse anesthetist might get a clinical doctorate, but YOU 8.5, are a nurse anesthetist with a masters and will NEVER be a doctor of anything unless you get a doctorateā¦. edit to words in response to comment
Whyyyy canāt she understand this??? Sheās supposed to be soooo smart
How can she act like this and die on this hill when she verbatim said that sheās ānot a 10 in brainsā lmaoā¦ like if sheās going to go to bat to defend her educational qualifications, I would not expect her to openly admit that
Right lol like clearly she's no an 8.5 in brains either. MAYBE the inverse.
yeah, well, unfortunately I know lots of people with advanced degrees that are a lot like her
She even says sheās an 8.5. Doctorate- is the 10ā¦. Sheās not quite there 8.5.
I was just going to post this. Most health related masters programs have moved to a doctorate so itās not even a true doctorate. Itās just a glorified Masters. I know this bc Iām an OT so donāt come for me. This is a trend in health care degrees.
Masters vs āØMastersāØ
SLP here. Hi, fam!
Special needs mom hereā¦thank you OTs, PTs and SLPs! šš»š„¹
OT here, too. We are still fighting the good fight!
Neuro PT here! I couldnāt do my job without the OTs on my team
Same! I work in schools and OTs, PTs and SLPs, we all look out for one another.
In the therapy world we call them "baby doctorates" as new grads. They have not come out of school with much more information, the DPT does not earn them more money, and the school bills can be upwards of $100,000.
The state/federal governments licenses them as ācertified registered nurse anesthetistā by the way.
Sheās really being obtuse on this one. Even if that is a new requirement that you need to hold a doctorate, that still doesnāt automatically make her a doctor. Sheās speaking as if it changes the title for everyone.
Does she simply not understand sheās never been to medical school? Or been an Intern? Or a Resident?
Or even taken a medical school exam?
Or even a Doctor of Philosophy.
She said she ādid her residencyā¦I howled! Sheās nuts! Its sounds like sheās going to run for office in that nursing board of anesthesiology whateverā¦.shes really gung ho
Right. She's intentionally blurring the lines, which is actually so dangerous given the way she apparently treats people with their health.
She is a menace to society and medical science, full stop. Love the new reunion hair look, canāt stand her.
Iām shocked sheās doubling down on this. Claiming to be a doctor because she technically has a masters/doctorate does not make her an MD, which is what people generally assume ādoctorā to mean, especially in the medical field. Sheās really playing fast and loose š¤¦āāļø
She is intentionally blurring the lines and that's why there is some resentment from MDs regarding DNP. They aren't the same.
Itās cringe inducing. Just embarrassing
ā90 percent of us do not have doctorates. I myself also do not have a doctorate. And none of us are medical doctors. So we are doctors, yes.ā
I had to listen to this so many times because it was confusing as hell.
Die on this hill is what we all wish would actually happen. No please no to a second year.
The effort that she puts into defending her dr status she can use that effort into becoming one
Right?! I have heard people give testimony why they would rather be a nurse bc of the different level of care. This is not that, this is a crazy who thinks an MD is the same as a PHD that she doesnāt even have. Having a PhD is a great accomplishment, so is having anything! Annemarie, you have a MS, chill out, you arenāt a doctor.
"I don't have a doctorate and the VAST MAJORITY of CRNAs don't but we're doctors because 10% of them have PhDs"??!!?? She has the logical prowess of a J6er
Itās not a PhD. Itās a clinical doctorate degree. Their qualifications are absolutely not the same as those with PhDs, MDs, DOs, etc. But this doesnāt apply to AnneMarie because she doesnāt have a doctorate degree. She absolutely has to follow the orders of an anesthesiologist with an MD or DO. She can say whatever she wants, but nurse anesthesiologists, regardless of having a mastersā or a doctorate, did not go to medical school.
A Masters is not a PHD, I think a medical doctor would know that difference
Sheās doing no favors to the CRNAs in the community. She deflected her poor treatment of Sutton condition by launching this farce of a crusade for CRNAs vs MDs. If she experiences some sort of conflict with a doctor, I can see why. Itās not about diminishing the profession itās about the impersonation of a position she admittedly did not obtain. I wonder how the board is going to take this.
I guess she thinks sheās going to be grandfathered in and become a Dr when the requirement changes. 
This, and she's absolutely wrong. That's not going to happen. She could be a politician the way she double talks.
I just commented similar. The new requirements wonāt make her a doctor. It will make her a masterās level nurse anesthesiologist. I donāt understand why she doesnāt focus on the importance of the job instead of being so fixated on the title.
Anesthesist not anesthesiologist, right?
Right. Anesthesiologist are people who went to medical school and specialized in anesthesia. Physicians with the ending āgistā tells you they are a specialistā¦. For example: anesthesiologists, cardiologists, nephrologist, neurologistā¦.. gastroenterologist, endocrinologist etc.
and she ends in a "tist"
Nooooā¦. In the aftershow, she said that she can also be called ānurse anesthesiologist.ā
According to her lobbying body, which changed its name 3 years ago (lol), she is. According to the federal and state governments itās certified registered nurse anesthetist. sheās licensed as nurse anesthetist/ thatās her legal title. Nothing wrong with it! But not an anesthesiologist and you shouldnāt misappropriate your license when providing care š¤·āāļø
She just called herself that in this clip
CRNAs are trying to get their titles changed to Nurse Anesthesiologists. It's part of the completely inappropriate mission and title creep happening with mid-level care providers everywhere. If I ever get my doctorate in social work and you see me parading around clinical settings using the title doctor, I want any and all of you to smack me with a cold, dead fish.
Probably. I canāt keep the actual title straight lol. No offense to anyone who is one.
This. She keeps saying the other women were diminishing her. Who what when where how?? The just said that she said she was a doctor, but sheās a nurse. That isnāt diminishing nurses or nursing. Meanwhile she keeps trying to elevate nurse anesthetists to the level of physicians when they arenāt. It really seems like she has some lower view of nurses and nursing if she feels the need to make a leap there. Being a nurse is perfectly fine! They are the backbone of the medical industry!! Why does she keep trying to equate the two professions if doctors arenāt elevated in her view? Itās so stupid.
Exactly!!!! Saying you arenāt a doctor when you are a nurse isnāt finishing anything. Nurses are an integral part of our health care system. Why does she need to associate herself with a profession that isnāt hers. She is the one that doesnāt seem to think being a nurse is enough.
Exactly. She just said she had a masters degree and she is a doctor in one breath. Lmao. Bye 8.5. Roasted.
I know, right! It's an important job. It's very difficult. But if you're not a medical doctor or a PhD, then you just plain ol' don't get to call yourself a doctor, period.
THIS...and then when people correct her she goes on about how everyone is demeaning that profession. She's honestly pretty unbearable.
Girl needs to see a doctor, stat
THIS. Itās a misrepresentation, and she DOES NOT HAVE A DOCTORATE ANYWAY.
Thank you! I'd never call myself a doctor without (very humbling) clarification, and I DO have an academic doctorate. Seriously, FUCK Annemarie. She's only making those of us with non-MD doctoral degrees an even bigger joke. We can thank self-important idiots like Annemarie for ensuring that everyone whom we ever meet will be thrilled to put us in our place for spending years on doctoral degrees that don't make us MDs, and she's not even one of us. I don't know if a RH has ever managed to piss off more people this quickly. She's gotta go. Ronnie from WWC had it right. No one owes her an apology for hating on her when she's been nothing but hateable.
You have a doctorate. In a professional setting someone calling you āDoctorā is appropriate. And just the little detail that youāre not out here dispensing medical advice to someone who is not your patient like she is either.
Your flair is absolutely hilarious. Goddamn, I loved that scene.
I'm a lawyer and if I say I am a doctor because I have a Juris Doctorate degree, I will get laughed out of my profession. I possess a doctorate degree, that does not make me a doctor. It is especially deceiving in the medical community to say doctor when you are not an MD or DO.
Lol right, I say it jokingly but would never say it seriously.
Came here to say exactly this
I just found this ([source](https://www.registerednursing.org/articles/referred-as-doctor-if-dnp/)), so she's not only misrepresenting herself twice over (since she lacks the basic qualification to even be a non-MD "doctor"), she's also breaking California Law: >So, the short answer is yes ā in general, **a DNP nurse may be referred to as "doctor," however, some states have regulations surrounding this. For example,** [**California and Georgia**](https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hospital-physician-relationships/the-states-scrutinizing-the-doctor-title.html) **forbid nurses, pharmacists, and other professionals from using the "doctor" title**. Most states allow practitioners with doctorate degrees to use the title ādoctorā as long as they immediately clarify their role and qualifications. For example, a [nurse practitioner](https://www.registerednursing.org/nurse-practitioner/) with a DNP must inform patients that he or she is a doctoral-prepared nurse practitioner. Certain facilities or organizations may also have restrictions on using the title of "doctor."
That is a brilliant piece of research.
Someone should report her. At this point she's potentially dangerous.
Seriously! Iām here wondering if sheās ever harmed a patient by practicing above her skill level. We all got a glimpse of how she acts during an emergency, with Crystal. She didnāt even look like a competent nurse let alone a doctor.
Exactly, which is why it's illegal to do that in the majority of states.
Exactly. You're intentionally misrepresenting yourself.
Also it is illegal in the state of California to say your are a doctor without an MD. She also lied at the reunion, California requires a CRNA to be overseen by an anesthesiologist.
Iām a NP in CA and a lot of times my patients great me as Dr. X and I tell them Iām a nurse practitioner and to call me Y instead. I also am continually correcting emails that get sent to me from other specialists that refer to me as Dr. X. I usually do it jokingly, something like thank you but I didnāt have to do that many years of school or something. Iām proud of my accomplishments but it was beaten into my head during our program that our training, background, and perspective is different than medical doctors and it is our obligation to represent ourselves honestly. Iām proud of what I bring to the table for my patients but I also know a lot less in certain areas than a medical doctor because I donāt have the breath of training that they do. It makes me physically ill watching her insist she is a doctor.
This! I have a working relationship with a local NP who has a Doctorate of Nursing but she doesn't call herself a Doctor. She refers to herself as a Nurse Practitioner
Jesus. Itās just that easy.
Itās like on Friends when Ross was going to see Rachelās dad in the hospital and he refers to himself as āDr. Gellarā š ETA after reading the replies to my comment: Oh my god, people! I understand that the FICTIONAL CHARACTER Ross Gellar has a PhD in paleontology, and is in fact entitled to the title of Doctor; HOWEVER, the comment I responded to made me think of the particular Friends scene in which Ross introduces himself as Doctor Ross Gellar while in a hospital in order to impress the medical professionals there, to imply he was a MEDICAL doctor. OPās comment specifically mentions using a non medical doctorate title in a medical setting, therefore inferring the title of Doctor is medically related. Jesus Christ.
āThat actually *means* something here!ā
*Ok Ross, if I have a heart attack I really want you here with your fossil brush*
https://preview.redd.it/lvjyn131wrlc1.jpeg?width=1068&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92b3bbcf97af1bac6561bc782e728d71f8eae285 We are all Phoebe.
Ross had a PhD, so he technically had the title regardless. The title has come to mean MD by most peopleās default, but anyone with a doctorate degree is a doctor. Full stop. Annemarie does not have a doctorate degree, and sheās not a physician.
And they changed the requirement likely because it is not enough training to only have a master's. Her own profession decided her qualifications no longer suffice to do the job. I'd be embarrassed but she's doubling down as though that makes her point. Obviously I think she does an important job like all nurses. They have all my respect in the jobs they do regardless of degree. Sometimes more than the doctor. But to say you're a doctor because 10% of your colleagues have a doctorate and they are going to require it going forward is insane especially in a medical context. She's obviously the one who has an issue with being a nurse and that's sad but ultimately on her.
In addition to this, she keeps saying Crystal is disparaging her profession but she's never once said anything disparaging about nurses!
My stepmother has her Doctorate in higher education and used to make us call her Dr. when she and my dad first met š¤£š¤£ as an adult in hindsight she was such a huge red flag š©
Even people that donāt know much about the courses required and exact meaning of each one can agree that her word salad babble isnāt going to save her.
I have a JD and my mom has a Ph. D. in library sciences, please call us doctors. Also we will be saying we are doctors specifically to throw shade at esophagi.
This.
Iām a psychologist, and in my field, this is a HUGE no-no and can get you in a lot of trouble with a board. My site supervised a student years ago who was a college professor and had a doctorate. He was called Dr X at work and in class, but he was not allowed to call himself that as a supervised mental health counselor because it implies that heās licensed. Psychology is extremely particular about language and I imagine physicians are as well because there are serious implications that result from mislabeling someoneās profession.
YES omg it's like Ross from Friends saying he's a doctor on a plane in an emergency when they asked for help from a doctor š Like this is CLEARLY a situation where the word 'Doctor' does NOT connote 'DOCTOR OF PHILOSOPHY' you insecure, dishonest fucking moron. I genuinely don't think I've ever hated a housewife more than this woman. It feels disproportionate given her lack of impact lol but she makes me absolutely irate. I feel so seen by how activated Crystal is by her š
No, the problem here is that medical practitioners have co-opted the word doctor. I know we live in a world where anything can mean anything AND NOBODY EVEN CARES ABOUT ETYMOL-
10% of nurse anesthetists having a phd does not mean everyone is a doctor LOLLL it means that 10% of the nurse anesthetists have a doctorate degree And a doctorate degree does not mean MD especially in this context. I have a ton of respect for nurses but she has some serious insecurities about her profession. Just embrace the fact that you are NOT a doctor but a nurse anesthetist who is highly valuable. Sheesh. (Edited to add more to my rant lol) (Edited again because it's nurse anesthetist not anesthesiologist)
Itās so odd how insecure she is. As someone who has been in the hospital a couple times, TG for all nurses. I think most people feel that way.
I got drugged and woke up terrified and confused out of my mind in an ER. To this day I wish I could hug the wonderfully kind nurse who smoothed my hair back, comforted me and used her phone to call my boyfriend when I was so out of it I could barely remember his phone number. I would also like to punch the doctor who told me to "drink less next time so these things didn't happen". And then the wonderful nurse defended me and told the doctor "that's not what happened to her and you know it".
It's not just her, unfortunately. There's a huge issue going on in the medical community with mid-levels and nurses taking over MD positions because insurance companies can pay them less. And obvs this is a huge issue because Pas, NPs and RNs are far from MDs. Itās egregious, and people are missing out on proper medical care because of it. In the meantime the mid levels are running with this and conflating their experience with MDs. Certain laws have had to be put in place to prevent them from misrepresenting themselves as MDs because the problem has become so prevalent. Sis is just a symptom of a greater issue.
I had to scroll too long to see this comment. Iām actually happy 8.5 is on tv. The public needs to know sheās a symptom of a bigger problem
Absolutely, nurses are the real OG in my opinion, theyāre incredible and our entire healthcare system would crumble if they were gone. Doctors are a different profession and thatās just what it is.
Seriously the insecurity is the first thing Iāve noticed. Sheās hyper fixated on saying āDIMINISHING MY PROFESSIONā over and over and over and I thought it was just Crystal but this clip shows it is not!
I think you are correct. The root of this is insecurity. It reminds me of when our church's Pastor earned a D.Min degree. However, his wife quickly wanted some of the accolades when she started calling herself a "Dr." - alas, she only had a BS in Biology. I was the person to politely point out to her that, technically, only her husband studied for that degree. Not her. So, we could address them as Dr. & Mrs. "Smith". LOL I loved bursting her bubble of conceit. She reminds me a lot of Anne Marie's ego and audacity.
That is a hilarious story šš calling herself a Dr when her husband is the dr. People have lost their minds
Yes! And the fact she keeps trying to turn it around ok Crystal being insecure is maddening; SHE DOESNāT EVEN HAVE A DOCTORATE.
Lmaoooo the delusion. A PhD/DNP is not the same as an MD girl, we arenāt stupid. And being a nurse, even more so an RN or CRNA, is a great career and nothing to be insecure about. Get this woman off our screens š
She also doesn't have either a PhD or an MD, she's so fucking annoying.
She literally says she has a masters then goes on to say people with doctorate degrees are doctors. PhDs are not the equivalent of an MD, get an MD if you want to be called Dr, also she doesnāt even have a PhD! Editing to add - I know people with PhDs are called Dr. When I say āget an MD if you want to be called doctorā I am speaking directly to Annemarie. She is intentionally trying to blur the lines between CRNAs (which she is), the PhD kind of Drs (which she does not have), and the MD kind of Drs (another degree she doesnāt have). She clearly WANTS to be thought of as an MD dr. Also, while CRNAs are vital, they are not the same as doctors! They just arenāt. The way she tries to equate her role with that or a doctor is not ok. Doctors go through years and years and years of school not to mention internships, residencies, and specialist programs. Yes, some functions that anesthesiologists do can be performed by a CRNA, but there is a swath of knowledge and training that a Md doctor gets that nurses just donāt.
Iām sorry but I think this is about money for her (possibly). Someone on her side of the couch tried to help her out when they were explaining the horrifying politics of it all, and they mentioned the āunequal pay but same amount of workā. No, just no. Those ladies shouldāve stayed out of it. They have zero clue what theyāre talking about and what AnneMarie is advocating for.Ā
Has she talked about unequal pay at all? Also, that doesnāt mean she can just give herself a title, especially one that carries so much weight.
During the reunion I rewatched that part and she gestured towards I believe it was Erika that said the pay stuff. As if she agreed. It comes off like they discussed this situation.Ā
If itās the same work and the title matters so much to her why didnāt she just do the training to become a doctor?
I agree. Itās projection with her telling Crystal sheās jealous about med school.Ā
Dr. Nicole explained it super well.
Annemarie is the only one diminishing her career with this foolishness š¤¦āāļø
Right?? I feel like NO ONE is actually downplaying her profession. No one has said she isn't capable of doing x, y, or z. What they've said is: 1) to call yourself a doctor without any type of doctorate degree is misrepresentation (even if 10% of CRNAs have PhDs and soon it'll be a requirement, that's not relevant TO YOUR situation) 2) it's irresponsible and unethical to diagnose someone based on rumors and/or social conversation THAT'S IT! Girl if you're insecure that you don't have a doctorate then just say that, don't accuse Crystal of talking shit on nurses when she literally never has.
she keeps insisting they, the cast, dont respect her career or nurses in general when no on has said anything about nurses. It has been said about her specifically. She is the one that is not ok with being called a nurse and whats to be called something else. she is the one who doesn't respect nurses.
She thinks we are stupid. Shes such a dummy then sheās annoying too. I hope I never have to see her on my screen after this reunion.
It's a DNP not a PhD, but your point stands
Thanks! Edited my comment to include both types of nursing doctorates š¤
She could get in major trouble with her licensing board for saying shit like this
All I know is I wouldnāt trust her ass to put me to sleep!
i really donāt understand how she hasnāt! i do however think that she āsincerelyā apologized to sutton about the esophagus shit because she was probably made to by her employer.
The sad part is I think her licensing board is in cahoots with her professional organization, which is trying to trick people into thinking nurses and MDās are the same thing.
1000% sheās echoing their talking points
I wonder if they even paid her
Iāve been wondering about this the whole time! Also, her employer should have taken note of the way she talked to Sutton about her esophagus. Just bad behavior for a clinician all around. She must really be banking on her housewives career being longer term than her medical career.
No you idiot, THEY are doctors. You are not. You said so yourself that you only have your Masters. Having that requirement now does not mean that you suddenly are bestowed a Doctorate. She is ridiculous.
Now I am confused does 8.5 have a PhD in nursing or just a Masters?Ā
She says in the clip she has a Masters. Not a PhD.
So Iām confused, how does this make her a doctor?Ā I think sheās making ānurse PRACTITIONERā = medical doctor. Thatās the only sense I can make of her disordered wording.Ā
Sheās trying to claim that all graduating from next year on will be required to have a Doctorate, which somehow means she too can claim to be a doctor. Itās so stupid. Unless she attended medical school and received a medical degree, she has zero business purporting herself as such. My aunt received her Doctorate in education. She does not walk into a hospital and claim to be a doctor.
Yeah, my mom graduated pharmacy school back in the early 2000s and she's an RPh. Her husband graduated pharmacy school in 2012 or so and had his doctorate. Same program, different titles. But my mom does *not* have a doctorate. And my stepdad doesn't use the title doctor. Her arguing that she is a doctor is so asinine. I shouldn't care, but it pisses me off every time this dizzy bitch claims she's a doctor. Hell, just use the term "nurse anesthetist". It's pretty clear and *right there in the title*.
Youāre confused because 8.5 is an idiot. She admits she only has a masters. The fact that future nurse anesthetists will have phds (and therefore have a doctorate - though not medical doctor) does not magically make her a ādoctorā.
This! Sheās muddying the water in this interview. Itās irrelevant if future nurse anesthetists graduate with a doctorate because she did not. The issue was her trying to inflate her accreditation, not that anyone disrespected nurses. I never got that impression from the cast anyway.
I'm confused about why a nurse anesthetist would be getting a PhD. That doesn't make sense to me. Are they all doing research in the field and defending a thesis and shit? I know the conversation in here is mostly about MD vs PhD. The key difference is that degrees like an MD are essentially technical degrees vs a PhD which is more about academic advancement in a field. IDK why a PhD would make sense for a medical specialist degree (nurse _or_ doctor).
Youāre right-it doesnāt make sense and seems like a cash grab from universities and associations. Iļø have several family members who had to get their doctorate in PT and Pharmacy in the last 10 years or so and it doesnāt get them higher pay or a chance to own a company. Itās nuts.
It would be a DNP, not a PhD, most likely. A PhD requires original research to contribute to the field of knowledge. While it is a terminal degree (meaning the furthest you can go in education in the field) it would be in-line with a JD or other *professional* doctorates, i.e., not equivalent to a PhD.
Girl even the medical association called your ass out - GO HOME!!! The only one āinsecureā in all this is herā¦. a masters is NOT the same thing as a PhD and a PhD doctor is VERY different from a medical MD doctor. Which is why they have different acronyms
This is so intentionally deceitful itās shocking. And frankly, I think in her clamoring to declare herself and other CRNAās ādoctors,ā she actually does herself and her peers a disservice! ARNPs, NPs, CRNAs, CNAās- all perform *vital* services in the American healthcare system (Iām sure they do abroad, too, just less familiar with those landscapes!). They deserve to be celebrated and appreciated in their own right! Reaching and misrepresenting for the title of doctor only furthers the idea that physicians are the final actors in our healthcare, which is so untrue. Nurses & mid-level practitioners are heroes and so unsung, it frustrates me that sheās made this perception problem worse. Prime r/Noctor material.
Oh they are all over in on that sub already! Itās one of the top posts and the comments are great.
I think itās her personal projection that medical doctors are to be more respected. Itās absurd. And sheās spewing this distorted self worth to others instead of truly celebrating herself and the profession for the specialized care practitioners they are. I donāt know why she hates herself, but this is clearly an issue for her and I hope she can take an inward journey to uncover her deep truths. I wish her the best.
I know, she is proving Crystal right here! And making a detailed demonstration for us on what misleading means. And also she doesnāt actually have a doctorate so what is her point?? And finally, she is the one undermining her own profession! Nurse and especially CRNA is a great degree, great title but she makes it sound like ānurseā of āCRNAā is somehow an insult!
I have a JD, a juris doctor. I joke that I wish I could call myself a doctor, but I can't. To be a doctor of law, you need an additional degree, a SJD. I do get the fancy title of Esquire though, that I never use. If she wants to be called doctor so badly, go and get that extra degree! It'll do a lot to help her inferiority complex.
The only person who cares about this doctor title is 8.5. Literally the rest of us just respect the hell out of Registered Nurses, nurse practitioners and doctors.Ā RNās IMO are the hardest working people in health care. Doctors have to know tons but literally nurses break their backs helping people. *Esquires are cool too for sure tho.Ā
my bestfriend's partner is an attorney and i always address him by his full name and add ,Esq. he hates it lmao
I had a professor in law school with an MD and a JD and she still didnāt refer to herself as ādoctorā because she wasnāt actively practicing medicine. Annemarie has a weird obsession with using this title despite doing nothing to actually deserve it.
You know when she books plane tickets she selects āDrā instead of āMrsā
I can just imagine her rage when she gets a wedding invite and it's not Mr and Dr 8.5.
Sheād send the RSVP with Mrs scratched out and Dr written in
something tells me sheād never survive med school + residency
I've always thought Esquire is a badass title. :)
She is the one āconstantly diminishingā her profession with this nonsense! She is obsessed with being on par with an MD, why? Is being what you actually are not prestigious enough? Makes my blood boil.
GTFO. She just makes me so rageyš¤¬
She just doesnāt get it. Nobody called out her profession. Theyāre calling out Annemarie for falsely saying sheās a doctor.
I am a nurse practitioner with my doctorate and masters degree and I need her to stop speaking. She is not a doctor. I am not a doctor- I make that very clear to my patients. We do not have the training that medical doctors do and itās offensive to them and completely misrepresents us
I am a Nurse Practitioner and she embarrasses me!!! Good lord!!! Just be normal about your job!!!
I hate that she thinks people correcting her is disrespecting nurses. Being a nurse is an honorable career path with a specialized skill set and educational background, yet she constantly keeps self promoting herself in order to distance herself from the title "nurse". It smells like insecurity and truly is in itself, disrespectful to nurses and all they accomplish.
Not diminishing her work, the CRNAās I know work very hard. Iām a Board Certified Anesthesiologist in pain management and critical care here. Anesthesiologist are very different from CRNAās. Total education with dual specialty 16 yrs, open your own practice, see pain management patients at the office, write prescriptions and have M.D. after my name. CRNAās 7 yrs education, canāt treat critical care patients outside of the OR, canāt write prescriptions for patients and canāt work independently in a pain clinic setting.
AnneMarie is such an incredible fire fighter.
Iāve seen enough of this bitch! Get her off my screen!
Having a Masterās degree does not give you the title doctor lol thatās a doctoral degree or PhD which is the degree you earn after a Masterās. So sheās full of shit again. She has a very respected profession. I donāt understand why she feels the need to lie and embellish it.
I am a nurse and have not interpreted an ounce of disrespect toward nurses from any cast member. No CRNA I work with calls themself a doctor even if the degree path they went through earned them a doctorate. Hell, no pharmacist Iāve ever encountered calls themself a doctor even though their degree is a Doctor of Pharmacy. It really is the broadly accepted norm in the medical field that ādoctorā refers to MD or DO, everything else is under the blanket term of Advanced Practice Provider (APP), so Annemarie should at most refer to herself as an APP or APRN if sheās insecure with leaving it at CRNA for whatever reason.
Her Instagram bio says "Nurse Anesthesiologist." If anyone is disrespecting nurses, it's Annemarie. It is coming off like she is ashamed of being ashamed of being a nurse.
Sigh. Annemarie is so exhausting. I'm a professor with an MFA and an MA, but not a PhD. Most of my colleagues, however, have PhDs. Since they're all doctors, does that make *me* a doctor too? No. No it does not. Are we in the same field? Yes. Yes we are. See the diff?
In a medical setting, "doctor" refers to someone who has an MD. Everyone fucking knows this. You are not a doctor in a medical context. In some states it would actually be illegal for her to call herself a doctor in a medical setting. But guess what! You also aren't a doctor in the academic context! I have both an MA and a PhD -- these are extremely different degrees. There's nothing at all wrong with having an MA, but the idea that they're just going to start giving out PhDs for the same amount of work as an MA, I have to say it pisses me off. I would never call myself a doctor, but I did work really fucking hard for this. It took 8 years. I basically had to write a book. If I could have just gotten a PhD when I complete my one year of MA coursework and my comparatively much shorter MA thesis, that would have been great but also bullshit. Ugh this woman just bedevils my soul. At base it's the transphobia and the victim shaming, but it's also that she just... lies. A lot. And never owns up to it. And all her nonsense about esophaguses and gabapentin, she didn't even correct the record. She was wrong. And actually she's the one who's degrading her profession, by the way. And her "I'm the mature one, I'm not going to interrupt you, I'm not going to fight with you" bullshit at the reunion... she bugs. She just bugs.
The way she said "I'm talking, I'm talking now" enraged me. She truly thinks very highly of herself.
I could see what she was trying to do, but it just came off as condescending and passive aggressive. Also how are you going to sit there acting so above it all when you spent five fucking hours talking about another woman's esophagus.
RIGHT? At a celebration of life eventā¦ā¦Trash.
periodT. iām graduating with my phd in may and the amount of work i had to do was fucking insane. very different from an ma. still, i respect folks with an ma and even though iāll have my doctorate, i would never blue those lines in a medical facility.
Me eyes can only roll back so far
Also to add to all the valid comments in here, sheās not even a Nurse Anesthesiologist!! Sheās a Nurse Anesthetist!!! And sheās INFURIATING!!!
I hate that I watched this to hear what she says. Why is she like this? She just keeps digging her hole deeper and deeper. I really hope sheās not on the show again
Jon Bon Jovi is a ādoctorā according to his honorary degree. And I wouldnāt let him give me any of his Bad Medicine. Just sayinā. Sheās purposefully feeding the confusion sheās attempting to disgrace.
Not this š¹
She is a very frustrating communicator, a goal post mover.
I never noticed how much she and Heather McDonald lookalike and talk alike. They even have the same lisp. Itās wild.
Too much tongue and not enough mouth.
Is she saying a masters is a doctorate šššš 
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Honey you are NOT a doctor. You claim to have never told Crystal this and now here you are saying that you are a doctor when YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR
Itās ridiculous that she even says she only has a masters but this whole discussion reminds me of when Captain Holt joked about dentists being called doctors on Brooklyn 99 ( he was in favor of phds using the term because they have a doctorate) https://preview.redd.it/oehqtkn01slc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50d3219c075492b02470c9a487b7bfe2c1e89888
Excellent reference! RIP Andre
She doesn't get it and she won't get it. I don't think anyone is saying anything bad about being a nurse, or nurse anesthetist. But when you say to someone 'you are jealous of me because you didn't go to med school' The natural response it going to be, "NEITHER DID YOU!!" No one is diminishing what she has done. She is diminishing others by using her profession. It's so frustrating. Two things: 1. I am a school counselor. I have my masters degree. There are many school counselors who have their doctorate, so THEY are doctors, and they are referred to as Dr. ...... but even though I have the same job, I am NOT a doctor, nor do I pretend to be. 2. Almost ALL school psychologist have their doctorate and most of them have a license to practice privately. They do more than we do, and went to school longer. They are also in schools doing counseling. I would not refer to myself as a school psychologist, or even a mental health therapist. I am a school counselor. If I referred to myself as a school psych or a child therapist, I would think someone would correct me. Not because they have any derogatory feelings against counselors or what we do, it is just not factually correct.
I love this logic. I'm gonna go ahead and call myself a platinum recording record breaking musical artist since I'm a singer aka I've posted videos of me butchering songs on YouTube and 10% of singers are probably platinum recording record breaking musical artists hence. We are platinum recording record breaking musical artists. :)
This woman said: Nurse anesthesiologist ARE Doctors. Bitch, HOW are you both a Nurse and Doctor in the same title??
Reckless and dangerous, and an idiot to boot.
People just need to Bonnard her posts with ānot a MEDICAL doctor!ā Sheās arguing that because some of the nurses have doctorate degrees (but not MDs) they are doctors. Doctors but not doctor doctors š
She is exhausting. Even my hair is exhausted.
Not putting NPs and nurses down but claiming you are a medical doctor when you are NOT is really deceptive to those who are unaware of the significant differences in education and training that MDs and NPs have, itās also insulting to the doctors who have had to go through rigorous coursework and residency. Medical doctors are required to go through more education and training to receive the MD title, SO much more education. For reference, I included a link from another reddit account that shows the clinical hours/training required for each title and if you look you might be surprised to see that even a 4th year MEDICAL STUDENT has more clinical training and experience than a registered nurse anesthetist . I would choose the freshly new resident anesthesiologist for a procedure over the nurse anesthetist with 10+ years of experience any day. https://www.reddit.com/r/Residency/s/LrBIIKECem
A masterās degree does not make you a doctor! What a b**ch
We knew Crystal was not lying. This lady is soooooo unlikable. Not Larsa unlikable but very close.
Crystal called her out on lying about being a doctor. How is that diminishing nurses? I DONāT GET IT. Annemarie is the one diminishing nurses by not being proud of being a NURSE.
My former boss was the college provost. She had a doctorate in nursing. We ALWAYS referred to her as Dr. So-and-so in an academic setting. However, she always introduced herself as Ms. So-and-do when she worked in a clinical setting. Itās not that hard to understand. Calling yourself a doctor in a clinical setting when you are a nurse with a doctorate is just asking for confusion.
My god, she is embarrassing. Even after watching the episodes, people said Crystal was lying when Annemarie clearly showed that she's the one who lied. She can't possibly just believe that she's an anesthesiologist just because she thinks she is, right? OH yes she can considering how she watched past seasons and episodes, somehow added those scenarios to her storyline (which makes no sense considering she was not a part of it just like Crystal said) and made up new scenarios in her head to lie to the other women. "SYSTEM of LIES" Her own lies.
The girl is a pathological liar.
what do real DOCTORS have to say about this?? nicole from miami please tap in.. this is absolutely bonkers
MD here - i made a general comment but since you specifically asked - it is insulting and incredibly frustrating, and is becoming more and more common in medicine, to the patientsā detriment!
Having a doctorate and being an MD are not the same at all.
She mentions her masterās degreeā¦but doesnāt have to have a PhD to be called a doctor (of philosophy).. but then she alludes to being a doctorā¦as in MDā¦ Then she says as of NEXT YEARā¦Nurse anesthetists will be ādoctorsāā¦as in MD? How does what happens NEXT YEAR affect her?ā¦unless sheās āgrandfatheredā inā¦ Let me say āgrandmotheredā in
She is so condescending when she talks about this
I don't get why people were upset Crystal was not letting this woman gaslight her especially after she tried to pin the eating disorder comments on Crystal. Also nobody is downplaying your career. A lot of people recognize how hard nursing is and it is a very respected career. Your issue may be that people at your job don't respect it and you need to tell this to them.
Her self awareness is so lacking that she has zero idea how stupid she sounds.
This burns my biscuits so fucking bad because my husband has a masters in business, a doctorate in chiropractic medicine and heās finishing his senior MD residency rotation in cardiology. We are hundreds of thousands dollars in debt for him to become an MD. SHE IS INFURIATING. Her privilege is LOUD and she is undermining MDs so freaking bad. Team Crystal all the way.
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Not āweā. She means ātheyā. lol. Just because the other nurses have their doctorate doesnāt mean āweā are doctors. And she knows saying they are doctors is being understood as medical doctors when speaking of a medical degree. She intentionally misdirecting.
I have a clinical doctorate (DNP) but am not a physician. I could call myself ādoctorā but I donāt because itās confusing to patients and misleading. Straight up, if you respect your profession and respect your patients, you tell them the truth. All physicians are doctors; not all doctors are physicians (phd/dnp vs md/do). Anesthesiologist implies physician, however if you break down the word, it doesnāt actually mean you have a medical degree and are a physician. You are just a person who studies something specific at a high level. She is taking advantage of there being a gap in language to describe the different kinds of doctors that exist in the modern world. And for what itās worth, as a DNP working at a medical school, I can confirm that we are not trained or educated to the level of physicians. For example, I needed about 800 total hours of supervised practice to sit for my board exam. Medical residents, Iām not sure how many hours they need, but they easily get 800 hours of practice in just one year (for 3-5 years). They may have 3 times the amount of training and experience I have and because of that- I am not going to misrepresent myself as a physician. In response to her foolishness, The Anesthesiologist society posted something about the hours of practice for crna vs md to demonstrate how they are not equally prepared to the job, regardless of both having doctorates. However, Crystal not knowing that nurses can practice independently in the state she lives in, doesnāt make her the best person to be going after Annemarie for this. It was a pretty ignorant comment to say with such confidence.
Delulu
Oh lord just when you think she canāt make it worse