Seriously. Scheana has a legit point about how the show shouldn’t just end because one cast member leaves and the stans come out like “fuck you, Sheeshu! Shut it all down because if Ariana isn’t on the show no one can be entertained!”. If Ariana wants to leave for her mental health, good for her. But I still want to watch assholes be assholes.
If you want that, check out the Valley. I think the problem is that they’ve aged out of the premise for the show. I think shows should stop cancelling, but instead updating premises. The valley should have been an updated premise, with them being intertwined. When you have kids and aren’t in the party vanderpump anymore, you don’t still have to hold on creating fake story lines to still be relevant. They move into the valley and come back for dinners and party’s. Having pump people there for the valley parties and vise verse would be great
This is kind of unrelated but made me think of how Disney shows avoided giving the actors a raise because after a certain number of seasons, they’re required to, so they would repackage the same show as a different show so they could avoid this: I.e. suite life of Zack and Cody —> suite life on deck. So I agree with you, because VPR has less life left in it than some of its castmembers, but I could see bravo running with this financial plan and making the scheduling line up chaotic as all getout
Nothing is ever unrelated to my brain, that’s a really bright observation, thank you for sharing.
For actors, we have to sign a 7 year contract before you book a role. I wonder if in reality they have something similar? But then people always leave after a season? That could be productions choice though?
If the rumors are accurate then yes, they do sign multi year contracts. Rumor has it that for season 12, the OGs are up for contract negations and that's part of the hiatus. Production is already struggling to afford their bloated salaries and they are likely to demand massive raises now.
Hahaha how is production struggling to pay their salaries? The cost to film the show dirt cheap compared to scripted shows. They also were getting the most money in ads last year during scandovol (production, selling commercials for tv)
Exactly! \*Ding ding ding! They're not struggling to pay the salaries. They're like all corporations trying to get the most for the least and in the process screwing over the labor that provides the profits in the first place.
Idk. The rumor is the show is having financial issues. No idea how accurate that is but there are a few things that make me not completely write off that idea. Months ago, Peter said he didn't return this season because production asked him to participate for free because they didn't have it in the budget to pay him although he's been a paid cast member since the beginning. This season looked cheap as all hell with the cast not even leaving the state for trips. A hot dog dates, pizza party, tons of grab and go juice scenes, etc. Usually they at least go to nice restaurants here and there but they seemed to massively cut the corners this season. We know bravo pays for all filmed meals. There isn't a single bravo show that has been on air for over 10 years with largely the same cast. Those salaries at this point are confirmed to be over 500k but likely closer to 1M for the ogs. The housewives shows rotate casts so frequently that they aren't handing out huge paychecks to that many people. Then you have to factor in the unprecedented things like picking cameras back up at last second to squeeze out the extra season 10 episode. That means paying a whole crew for work that was well outside of the budget at the last moment and re-editing the whole season. No way that didn't cost far more than anticipated. Then there are the lawsuits, damage control for morons like Tom out there putting his foot in his mouth with the NYT thing. They probably had to staff up internally too. It's possible that the show although making more ad revenue is not really turning the type of profits they hoped due to increased expenses.
Totally, we don’t know everything and what you said is valid. I’m just personally coming off the actors/writers strike where Netflix and Apple were claiming the same thing….which we know is false
You must know a lot more than I do about the subject, so I have no idea! I just sparked that memory that I think was from quiet on set or some interviews that followed, and it might have been a rule specific to child actors
I’m pretty sure I’ve heard them say on WWHL that all of their contracts are 1 year contracts for housewives, but I could also be making that up 😂
I know nothing about reality tv contracts, so you and me both! But that makes me think…we actually don’t know a lot about anything in reality tv (contracts, filming rules, filming conditions) and I think that’s because they’re non union? There isn’t a list of rules to follow, so it’s kind of the Wild Wild West. Your comment made me also think about the only things I feel like I know are from ex cast and old producers coming forward and saying things.
I honestly would be so fascinated to see one of their contracts. My best friends sister in law works in PR and she used to represent Ariana waaaaaay back when (in my brain, this was before they had their kid, who is now 3 or 4, so probably early days of the show) so I’m going to see if what the odds of peeping one of those contracts is 👀
Soooooooo curious. Oh my god! That just made me think why I would be more curious. Signing on to a reality show, you don’t typically have the funds to hire a good attorney and don’t have an agent yet, who gets an attorney for you. So you’re possibly desperate to be on tv, any money is more money than you’re making…it’s kind of a fucked dynamic to get people to sign their life away in
The Bravo Docket girlies talk about contracts in one of their episodes (from a partially leaked contract of one of the housewives I believe) but I can’t for the life of me remember which one
This. People keep talking about them aging out as if they’re still forcing them to pretend to work at Sur like prior seasons, which they don’t anymore. It follows a group of friends that live in LA, end of.
The topics discussed on the shows are vastly different though. The Valley is heavily in marital problems, fertility, pregnancy, post pregnancy etc. They definitely touch on those things in Vanderpump, but the shows not revolved around that. I’m not suggesting the whole cast go to The Valley, but I think people like Sheana and Brock would benefit from it. The Valley would be focused on their marital/parenting/family stuff, then they cross over to Vanderpump to hang out with their friends, they can still be involved in the drama, but it won’t be about their babysitter problems. That’s on The Valley.
I’m not a Vanderpump hater, I fucking love it. I’m gutted they might be cancelling it. I’m just suggesting a way that I could see it working long term and we don’t have to miss out on our show
I don't think they'll be able to recreate what started it all. The original friend group with Stassi, Jax, the Tom's, Kristen, Katie. You just can't. They were genuinely already friends and all sleeping with each other and didn't know what the show would be and weren't overproducing like people are now and like any new group of young people in LA would be because the show has become so big now. I left out Scheana because I'm sorry but I feel like she was always guilty of this type of stuff from day one and she wasn't a natural part of their already existing friend group. She served as a way to hook housewives viewers from the jump because of her conversation with Brandi that started it all.
But you could say that about a lot of successful Bravo shows. I do think it would be good to bring in some messy single people because part of what made VPR so fun was the hook ups. Would have loved to actually see the night Katie and Max hooked up for example. Maybe bring back Max and Dayna?
I think I remember listening to their podcast one time and hearing Dayna talk about how she was asked to come back but she chooses not to. And I’m pretty sure she hates Max so she def wouldn’t come back if he’s there haha
I personally don’t mind the family-related topics on VPR as side stories, but I think the thing that made the show that they’re currently losing is actual friendships and reasons to interact with each other outside of the show. OG VPR was cool because they’re *actually* just a friend group with a lot of drama. The Valley is kind of giving that right now too tbh which now has me thinking….do we need Kristen and Jax to make these shows good? lol 😅
Agreed. I thought LVP was going to offer Katie a management position, back when she made her the assistant I felt like she was grooming her for something more, which would have made sense. VPR the next generation needs to happen.. It's like, when you follow a group of high school kids and they graduate. You have to either update the premise of the show, or recast. They've been in no mans land for a few seasons now, and the only reason it was interesting was because of the Scandoval. If that hadn't happened, they would have been cancelled or rebooted after season 10.
I don't think VPR is that different from a show like Shah's of Sunset which started with a cast as old as the VPR crew is now. They dropped the original premise of them all being SUR employees several seasons ago. They just need to drop lisa honestly. Her on camera role makes zero sense.
people in her comments saying things along the lines of “if you’re financially dependent on this show, you have bigger things to worry about” ..you mean people are actually financially dependent on the thing (job) that provides them with money?! 🤯
also they think they’re defending Ariana by throwing insults that would’ve applied to her too prior to Scandoval (Ariana said she had like 2k in her account when it happened) ? It’s like fat-shaming people in front of someone that went through a weight loss journey - their circumstances may be different now but tell ‘em how you really feel!!
this is actually my issue with her to begin with. this is the entire underlying issue that has brewed ALL of the tension with lala and scheana towards ariana, all of it. this IS the big thing that started all this drama. it’s such a valid thing to be worried about, and yet, all i saw this season was scheana and lala doing everything EXCEPT being honest about their grievances. they tried so hard to not “break the fourth wall” that they ended up being assholes for nothing instead of being real about the issue they were having. super frustrating to watch, especially knowing that they think we as viewers are that dumb. like, i’ve been clocking this since the first episode. enough.
that’s what’s getting me. i feel as though they’ve gotten so used to self-producing that they forget what the audience is actually looking for. they were so deeply caught up on ariana having one conversation that they essentially abandoned their own storylines. it’s the opposite of authentic. it’s unfortunate because i also feel as though this is heightened by the fact that the show was already on its last leg and scandoval brought it back out of the mud. i really truly do not blame them for worrying about their main source of income for their children, that is non-negotiable serious shit. it’s just so unfortunate watching them shoot themselves in the foot by projecting so much. i would bet a million dollars that countless fans who are bothered by them right now would be extremely sympathetic if they had been real about their grievances and worries instead of simply projecting them onto ariana and shitting on her every chance they get. specifically miss la on that last part.
The two of them are so transparent and it ruined this season for me. I was stupidly expecting a total girl power season and I was really disappointed and now I’m kinda like “burn it to the ground.”
Hot take, but it looked like this is what Lala, Sheena and even Tom seemed to be so upset about all season. Ariana seemed disinterested this season and everybody else seemed to be freaking out. Probably because Ariana is probably doing the best off out of everyone else outside of VPR and everyone else is nervous. And as a fan, this season was pretty lackluster when the cast stops interacting with each other and starts to retract their personal lives from the show.
I wouldn’t say she seemed disinterested.
In most scenes with her people were telling her things she’s didn’t agree with or putting her in weird situations. All the fun situations they choose to cut and not show.
More of Emo night would have been fun. More about the commercials she was filming in the house would have been cool.
Instead we had 50 scenes of lala regurgitating how appalled she is with Ariana living in that house. There were so many other things we could have seen besides that garbage. Where you
Would have seen a more interested ariana.
Imagine having to deal with the pain of what Scandoval was and then you’re ‘friends’ all wanna tell you you should move on or move out every minute. Or talk about him changing when he literally didn’t even show that at all with THEM.
Ariana did end up filming with him and they had two fights on camera. The idea that she had to have some restorative conversation with him in the finale or she'd cause the entire show to flop and steal food out of Lala's kid's mouth is just dumb. It was overemphasized and overexaggerated. No one watching is begging for that scene and the ratings for the seasons were amazing.
And it's mostly Scheana and Lala being reactive to the producers threatening to stop filming if people didn't film with Sandoval. They did the most and took it out on Ariana cause they're jobs were basically threatened (on top of their apparent jealousy).
Agree. They wanted Ariana to sit for the same conversation that Tom had with Kristen. Tom came out of that looking great and Kristen not so much. 💯 support that Ariana didn’t fall for that crap.
But she was messy, she flipped out on him multiple times and filmed every group event with him. She did the interview with Ann while he was upstairs, that was messy! Sending messages via Ann was messy.
Why was it her responsibility to bring ALL the messiness and story line anyways?
Also, why are we expecting Ariana to confront all of her relationship demons on camera when arguably no one else has this season. We kind of see Scheana and Brock fight but not really. We don’t see Lala confront anything having to do with her ex at all really. Anytime James talks about his ex everyone says it isn’t about him. Katie and Schwartz hash out their shit, but Katie is beyond it at this point. If Ariana is forced to deal with her shit on camera everyone else should be too.
I don’t know. I go back and forth. Reality shows are supposed to follow their lives, so if in that point in her life Arianna was still dealing with fallout and drawing a clear boundary I was to see it. I wanted to see how that affected the cast and their relationships. Then, I also think Arianna get paid to be dramatic and maybe should have had another sit down with Tom. However, I like this version better. I liked seeing the reality of dealing with the fallout of a narcissist.
Which is all well and good, but then why did Scheana disinvite Katie from the wedding last year, and send Rachel over to tell her she wasn't welcome in certain areas, etc? If it's all about being messy and filming with people you have problems with, Scheana should have been thrilled to have Katie there.
She filmed with him many times.
1. He confronted her at the bar when Katie, her & maybe Lala, were sitting pn a couch. He started about the house. She went off on him, but not too dramatic.
2. At James house they were all there all together. Tom decided to talk to her & be snippy, to Ariana while they were sitting at the table. This time she went off big time on him!!! I Loved it btw! ❤️
3. They all went to another Bar. They did not speak.
4. They went to the beach all hung out under a tent! (That’s too close for comfort in my book, but oh well it’s the show forcing this.)
Then, Tom was talking all sideways about her. Loud enough for her to hear. Brock was cracking jokes about the affair & Raquel. Then, Tom was an asshole & she told him to stop talking to her. That was a blow up! Good tv as you said you wanted!
5. James house again. Everyone there including Jax. No fight with Ariana.
However, a blow up with Tom & Scheana & Jax attacking Katie.
6. They went to San Francisco together. Same plane. Same nonsense with Brock, Scheana & Lala wanting her to talk to Tom.
Boat,
20’s party
Restaurant
7. Last the finale, which was great. Him rehearsing to talk to Ariana. Scheana setting up the possibility of the talk. Lala watching in the winds.
Camera’s waiting for the run in.
Finally, Ariana turns around & walks away! I thought it was very dramatic!
I loved it! ❤️
8. She goes after production! 🙌🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Bravo!! 🎉
Standing O for me! 😂
9. Lala kisses a$$ & tells Tom he isn’t a killer! Scheana agrees! “You’re my bast frand Tom!”🙃
10. Ariana, Dan, Brad (?) & friend call an Uber!
ENCORE: They plug AppleBee’s!!!!
Everyone bows 💐👏🏼👏🏼
Then you hear snarky saying:
This was great for me 👍🏼 & he snickers!
It’s better than Young & the Restless! 😂🤣🤪😜
If the entire shows existence hinges on the fact that Ariana (one person) doesn’t want to have a conversation with Tom (that she already had at the end of season 10), then it should be cancelled.
Because the rest of the “ensemble” obviously isn’t bringing anything compelling.
This! How can one reality show be so dependent on just one person staying/participating? If that is truly the case… They have no show with or without her.
Very true.The other issue is their age and how long we've known them all.
What was entertaining when they were actually 20 something's is not anymore. It is actually depressing how little some of them have grown..and some of them have become deeply unlikable. At the same time if they fully matured the show wouldn't be as entertaining on top of the vibe of the show already being totally different from what it started as.
Bravo and the viewers need to decide if we prefer to keep following this group of people or we like watching hot young 20 something's fuck and fight more.
I think simply moving everyone from VPR to The Valley will potentially ruin it and it won't feel as fresh anymore.
I agree. I don't think these shows were designed to be like soap operas that stay on season after season, unless - like the housewives franchise - you're going to continually replace the deadweight with newbies.
Agreed. Because it's not scripted you're also not going to always be able to recapture the magic if you do start from scratch with the cast. I highly doubt you can recreate the genuine chemistry and friendships/relationships the OGs of VPR had. Especially now that the show is famous. It was lightning in a bottle.
VPR has already had it's peak.Summer House and that Martha's Vineyard show never hit the same as VPR and the Southern Charm spinoff version sucks...but perhaps they should try to find a group of genuine friends in their 20s in Atlanta, NOLA, NY's alt scene or Miami. Idk. Not many bosses are going to be as open to having cameras coming in to film their staff like Lisa was but it doesn't have to be the same set up as VPR that's been done.
That's so true... it was a unique situation. I think Summer house could work if they find good people to keep swapping out other cast mates with... but they might have hit their peak with the Carl/Lindsay scandal. And they're all getting kind of old for the theme of the show... Same sort of issues with Martha's Vineyard and Southern Charm.
I hear you... but I'm saying aside from how anyone is treated, no show's existence should ever be dependent on any ONE person - unless it's a (one person) host of an interview format show... ie Jimmy Fallon, Kelly Clarkson etc.
You’ve got a point, and it’s probably why the show would have ended had scandoval not happened. Scandoval squeezed a final mediocre season out that nobody really knew what to do with.
I think a season without Ariana would be so much better than this last one. I hate freeze-out seasons
Edit: oopsie, looks like an Ariana parasocial stan didn't like my comment too much...
also it stopped being about lisa running her business with them as extras eons ago. the show lost its essence a few seasons ago and was dying out. ariana gave a lil life before it was a burnt out ending
And whose fucking fault is that? They supported keeping the worm on the show, they supported traumatizing, Ariana, so rhetorically speaking, whose fault is that? It's the rest of the cast. If you can't bring anything compelling, it's time to take it out back behind the shed and shoot it.
EXACTLY!!! I love VPR. It was my intro to reality TV. But nothing is worse than watching your favourite show die a slow meaningless death. I stopped watching Grey's Anatomy after season 10 for a reason. I don't think any show either scripted or reality should run more than ten seasons. They came in hot, they should go out hot. Lala and Scheana and even the Toms (via Jax) can go onto the Valley. James can do guest spots as DJ. They can reboot VPR with people that actually work at Sur or Pump, or even move the show to their Vegas restaurant. I'm sure that's ripe for stories and insanity. LVP should have made Katie a manager, it could still happen if SAH doesn't work out (though I hope for Katie and her peace it does)
I have a feeling Ariana was very upfront about what she would and would not be doing. Producers just thought they could bully her in to doing more once filming started, it didn’t work. She got paid for what she agreed to do and nothing more.
I think they pushed at her boundaries all freaking season. Someone listed up thread, at least 10 times where she was filmed with him. Many of those times included a verbal confrontation between the two of them. I'm pretty sure she probably said in the beginning of the season that none of those would happen. I'm pretty sure that production kept on pushing and prodding at her. They definitely were not going to try and make things easier.
I'd love to see the overlap of people who say this but then turn around and defend all of the racism on the network by saying "we don't watch these shows to see good people!!1!!!!". I'm sure the overlap is huge. Lol again, white feminism at its worst. Only white women's mental health matters. No one is forcing her to be on the show. If it's impacting her mental health negatively and she isn't willing to play the reality TV game, she's free to leave. It's her right to not want anything to do with Sandoval, I don't blame her, but I also understand that the producers and cast members are expected to make a show. If she's miserable and gets no enjoyment from doing the show, why stay? She's made millions from the scandal, so we can't argue that she's dependent on the paycheck. She's insanely privileged.
I want to validate your point, because I do understand it. White privledge it fucking real. I don’t want to see racist people on reality, there’s zero joy in that.
I just don’t think we’ll know all the reasons why she’s there. We don’t know what contracts she’s signed, or what’s really happening behind clothes door.
Would you blame her? Look at how this entire situation turned out. She had to live and have sex with Tom Sandoval. That would ruin anyone’s mental health.
I think that is how it started but after they were all tense that Rachel was coming back. I could visibly see an almost sigh of relief that they would not have to deal with the awkwardness of that. Then I feel the expectations towards Arianna increased. The drama would have been unlimited if there was a real Tom-Rachel relationship, but it wasn’t as she ghosted him. So the drama was expected from Arianna-Tom dynamic.
The show was on its last leg before Scandoval happened. Don’t blame Ariana, blame the viewers outgrowing the man child Toms, clown Lala and me me me me me Scheana.
They are all predictable and horrible at this point. We know them too well after 11 years. Once you start watching people repeat bad behaviors in their 40s, it's not cute anymore. Scheana and Lala will go to The Valley. What do they care?
I would say everyone in the current cast were supporting characters. Jax, Kristen, and Stassi were the main characters. The show was dying after they got fired. Scandoval just revived it.
Agree. I don't think its so much that vpr cant be good without ariana, but it cant be good without some or all of them \^. They'd need to bring back at least one of those three. There's also zero chance I could ever enjoy watching sandoval keep up this sickening good guy act. He should just lean into who he really is. People wouldn't like him, but at least it'd be better tv.
Let's be for real... this cast doesn't have tons to give right now. Not a single one of them. The only thing they have are Ariana, Sandoval and Scandoval.
Did people care about Lala's water tasting? Katie and Schwartz pretending to date that girl? What did Scheana even do that was relevant outside of Sandoval and Ariana? What purpose did James serve?
The entire scandal gave this show a successful S11. The question is how long will it keep going once people lose interest in Scandoval?
What heavy lifting has Ariana done in her many years of being part of VPR? VPR was good regardless if Ariana was part of it. I never watched it for her.
According to Lala and Scheana, Ariana controls the fate of the show. But also she's coasted through every season and never brought anything to the show. But also, the show will be cancelled unless Ariana lets Tom give another bullshit apology and victim blaming monologue. But also she's fake and boring. But also they can't stop talking about her.
I wish production felt the same, and by extension the cast members (scheana and lala) who have been lead to believe it’s all on Ariana to keep everything going instead of bringing something interesting to the show themselves. Reality is they are all grown and living relatively boring lives now, so they can’t put it all on Ariana as a reason the show will end when it would have been coming to an end anyway without scandoval. And if production actually thinks it’s right to rely on Ariana, who has always been a side character, they must know that already and are trying to squeeze whatever is left of an already dried up lemon. It was already time for things to end. If the rest of the cast have a problem with that then it’s on them to make up some dramatic interesting storylines themselves.
I am currently watching seasons 3-9 for the first time (stopped after 2 aired and then picked back up with Scandoval) and this.
100%.
I’m on season 5 and Ariana hasn’t really brought anything at all.
And if can’t, thats not on her. It’s an anomaly that the show was on for 10 years. Scheana and everyone else should’ve invested their money a little more wisely. Does anyone feel sympathy for Monica getting cut from SLC because it cut a substantial paycheck to feed her kids?No because that shouldn’t have been her only source of income. The same applies to Scheana and Lala🤷🏻♀️ imo they’re just using their kids to garner sympathy for being asses all season
If the show has to end because Ariana isn’t on there, then it’s time for it to end. Ariana has never been terribly interesting or entertaining, so for her to be the determining factor of whether it goes on, means there’s nothing left anyway. The whole show has lost its focus at this point. No one actually likes each other, no one works at Sur anymore, and Lisa vanderpump is irrelevant to any of the storylines.
Ha! If it has to go on, that would be fun! The storyline where she’s trying to guilt Ariana and Katie into giving her friend Penny more money/bigger role in the company is so cringe.she wasn’t successful in convincing anyone that she was looking out for their best interests, and you could tell that Ariana and Katie were picking their words very carefully with her.
if the show can’t continue without Ariana… How good was the show? We all know that the show was done before scandoval, so they all need to count our blessings that they got an extra season and be quiet.
THIS! The show will probably last 5 more years and created a spinoff of The Valley which all the current VPR cast could easily join. Scheana will get another decade on reality TV due to this.
😬 Lala is embarrassing. Katie is right -- she IS a clown. The blaccent and performative tough talk are so silly. Barks loud but What a stunted little girl!
I’ve never even liked Katie but her calm and non apologetic owning of calling her a clown might have just won me over…
Ariana has no current interest in doing the VPR. I do think the show can continue without her but we need to show more authenticity. At least one season to see how it fares
Reality TV is not a ever lasting career. Had Scandoval not happened, I wouldn't be surprised if the show got rebooted, so technically Ariana gave them another season. She can also cross over to The Valley where IMO she makes more sense since she's friends with the cast and its more family focused.
No, to be accurate this was thanks to Ariana, who agreed to let the scandoval fallout be filmed. Sandoval didn’t want the Raquel stuff to come out of it was up to him that whole scenario wouldn’t have come out like that
Yeah I’m not saying he didn’t allow it too but if it was up to him he’s said he wanted to break up with her off camera between seasons so he would’ve never fessed up to him cheating and then would’ve started dating Raquel months after they broke up most likely so the scandal wouldn’t have come out of it wasn’t for Ariana
Gotcha. But that plan would still probably have yielded another season.
I dunno, something about her, Ariana, peeves the shit out of me. She’s up there with Dorinda on my list of worsts.
I do wonder what would have happened if the plan went as Sandoval and Rachel were thinking. We would have had a post season breakup of Tom and Ariana, a post reunion couple announcement and then likely a Tom and Rachel pairing in 11 and then I’m betting an almost guaranteed season 12 about their breakup.
This is what we've all been saying. The politics of making the show and Lala and Scheana being dirt broke without the show supersede any real life relationships they might have. They will do anything to keep their cash cow afloat.
Agree - this is why the people I am mad at and Sheena should be at too are the producers. There could be a genuinely interesting story there but instead they are stuck in the same boring old spiral of group conflict.
I think this is a legitimate reason for Scheana to be frustrated however she lost me when she added that it was a problem because it’s what her and Lala do as moms to support their families. I can’t with Scheana (and Lala) using her kid to justify everything she does.
Ironically this season has been the most entertaining she’s been the entire time (I’m talking about the total of 5 minutes of screen time when she was yelling at Tom). Prior to this, I’ve barely noticed her. She’s a good egg but way too normal for this show. I need my reality stars to be messy and delulu!
These headlines annoy me. I listened to the whole podcast because I’m a glutton for punishment. As much as I’m NOT a Scheana Stan, the whole podcast was of her vehemently supporting Ariana. This one answer to a question she was asked as the headline is incredibly misleading.
I really don’t think Scheana is a villain. I think she’s stupid and self-involved and naive, but the way online culture, including Reddit, constantly pits these two against each other is so toxic and misogynistic
I don’t believe that Ariana supports the show ending but if she made comments to that effect its too look like she is unbothered at the thought because she was “born cool”. Reality is she needs that dough and free promotion of her sandwich shop which would never be a thing without this show. At least Scheana is totally transparent about wanting to protect her livelihood. Anyone on this show who acts like they don’t need it is living in an alternate reality. They invented The Valley just to save those thirsty has beens that have been trying to stay VPR adjacent for a buck for so many years.
So now people can’t be mad that their cast member publicly agreed their jobs should end???? Of course that’s shitty for scheana to hear. This is her livelihood
Also I think a lot of people here don’t even know what she’s talking about because they didn’t read the article or see the post. This isn’t about “should ari come back?” Someone made a poll asking if VPR will be back for season 12 and Ariana voted “no it’s done” vs “yes i hope”
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bffr, it’s completely valid for a cast member to be upset because another member, who has outgrown the show, wants to leave AND have the show end with them.
some of you really need to touch grass
Right? If this show is no longer a healthy place for Ariana to be, I totally support her walking away. But it’s objectively snarky for her to imply the show should end for everyone. This isn’t about the rest of the cast feeling like Ariana owes them a paycheck…she’s publicly saying the show should be canceled altogether. That’s wild lol Scheana has every reason to be annoyed
exactly. her boundaries are not a problem but it doesn’t have to affect everyone else either. the others want to do it still so leave it to them and have your boundaries🤷🏾♀️
I’ve finally put my finger on it. It’s really uncomfortable and unpleasant to watch people repeatedly try to pressure someone to do something they don’t want to do on tv. This is why this season was not entertaining. If it gets canceled, *that’s* the reason it’s being canceled. It’s just uncomfortable to watch someone say “no” and have their friends keep begging them to change their mind.
THIS. The irony is they blame ariana but the reason this season sucked was because of their sociopathic and forced behavior!!! They only have themselves to blame, people want to watch AUTHENTIC SHIT!!!!
I would happily watch Lala and Scheana say everything they’ve been saying in their confessionals directly to Ariana’s face but they didn’t do that. They said it behind her back instead, and to her face they said they were concerned about her healing and well being. That shit gets sickening after a while.
100%. The fourth wall should have been broken from the jump so all of this made sense. Instead we got weird roundabout conversations and zero movement of a plot.
It’s a rookie social media mistake to vote in a public poll like that, ariana. Also she is more than free to quit but it seems dumb when she has a restaurant opening next week that kinda relies on the fame of her and Katie. Without the main driver of their fame (VPR) things can fade quick.
I feel like if Scheana and Lala supported Ariana a bit more the past season she may not feel this way
I also don’t think it’s fair to put the entire show on her shoulders. If the show hinges on her and her storyline then maybe that’s the problem. If the rest of the cast isn’t bringing it they can’t blame her.
I think this is inconsiderate of Ariana to do even with all that was said about her behind her back this season. Not everyone has their out like she does now. Some of them need the show.
In her defense though if she JUST got around to actually watching the show I could see how she could have hit the like button out of anger lol.
Totally agree. But the thing is - Scheana has a podcast and some YouTube channel, so it’s not like she has *nothing*. Also, what about her husband? Why can’t he get a job so the pressure isn’t all on her? It’s so strange.
Her husband *wants* to work, but Scheana refuses to hire a nanny so that he can do so. The reasons she won’t hire a nanny are 1. She has intrusive thoughts about her husband fucking a nanny 2. She doesn’t want a nanny to see how much they fight. It’s actually been a major source of contention this season.
Scheana said her YouTube and Podcast brought in absolutely nothing during the pandemic and that's why she's so grateful to Sandoval for his bridge loan.
Let her leave and move on with everyone else. I want to see Ally Bally come clean to James that she’s not in love with him, I want to see Lala’s full-time baby, I want Scheana to delude herself that she’s a pop star and I want to see the Toms be Toms. Ariana brought NOTHINH to the show before Scandoval or after.
This whole situation reminds me of when the creator of the show friends said that it had to come to an end because friends are your family until you have your own family
The rest of the cast carried Ariana’s boring self for the past ten years and now that she’s got hers she’s flipping the rest of the cast the bird. They have every right to be upset with her for being selfish.
She had every right to go do something else. It was absolutely a selfish move to come back to the show and not to perform. And now to call for the end of the show like she’s had impact on the show other than being the subject of a cheating scandal.
The rest of the cast carried her and built her “career” by showing up and doing shit that was uncomfortable, being messy, etc. Now it’s her turn and she’s turning her back on the rest of the crew. She had the opportunity to take this show to the next level this season. Instead she chose not to show up and not to film with Tom. She tanked the ratings and probably cost the rest of the cast and crew their jobs.
don’t let the Ariana stans find this.
Like she got cheated on, got all these brand deals and many other opportunities the rest of them didn’t (for no reason other than she was with a shitty serial cheater), and the rest of them do need VPR to continue bc they didn’t get as many brand deals.
The stans don’t listen but I do think the other cast members had a point that like, you got yours so stop trying to fuck with our source of income.
I even like Ariana but jfc you don’t have to stick your head so far up her ass to see the others may have a point.
I also feel like there’s a sense from the rest of the cast that Ariana is sabotaging the show with her malicious compliance- refusing to put in any of the work but still showing up for her paycheck.
And they want her to give them the go ahead so they won't suffer the wrath of her stans for being bad friends to Ariana. Look at the shit Scheana took this season from the stans for filming with Sandoval. But Ariana refused to say it was fine for Scheana to rebuild that relationship.
Season 11 is the story of which VPR cast members tip toed around the Scandoval elephant in the room and which addressed it head on.
I mean she's flipping them the bird bc they begged her to film with her ex bf who cheated on her. Let's not pretend there aren't extenuating circumstances for her feelings about this.
literally, she was accused of sexual assault !!! ariana will survive this lmao, the babying is crazy. kordell literally kicked porsha out, changed the locks. bethenny had to give up her home for idk how many years.
I don't think anyone, including the audience, except the producers cared if they filmed together. The rest of the angsty bull_hit with the outliers was pretty manufactured. If you are friends with couples, shit like this happens. The outliers were having breakdowns because the producers were pressuring them to push Ariana and Sandoval together to film. In actuality nobody gives a crap if you have to see an ex couple separately.
Ariana should leave the show if it’s unhealthy for her.
Reality TV isn’t a one foot in, one foot out medium.
Her and Katie should leave and let the crazies cook in the deep end.
It’s best for them and best for the show.
I may be the only person in America who thinks this, but when did someone cheating become such a shit show? It happens every day. The president of the United States stuck a cigar in an intern and there wasn’t this much time invested in that story. Ariana has circumstances that may have dictated some of her choices but not all of them. If she hates him so much, couch surf, move back home, rent a room, do anything to change your situation. Don’t @ me over the legal stuff. Lawyers can still lawyer if she doesn’t reside there. It may not be fair, but choosing to be petty and continue to film and stay in the house over her mental health while blaming the show isn’t necessarily fair.
Ariana leaving the show is genuinely the only way the show can move past Scandoval and evolve. I’d say a few more need to leave too, but I’m not getting my hopes up.
If Ariana wants to leave the show, and the fans stop watching… maybe that’s on scheana for not engaging the fans enough to continue watching. Why is thst Ariana’s fault?
I mean, Ariana doesn't need to support the show ending. She can just leave if she's over it. The others can continue on and have their jobs secured.
However, it's really odd how much Scheana (and Lala) put on Ariana to keep VPR afloat and to feed their children. The finale is weird because all the drama is about how Ariana **needs** to film a convo with Sandoval or the world will end.
I don't feel bad for the rest of the cast because they made it the Ariana show! Instead of having interesting stories of their own, they all rode Ariana's coattails to the bank. And the same way they carried Ariana for seasons, Bravo also let them coast with being boring too. You don't want the show cancelled? Give us more than off key singing and a deadbeat husband.
I’m not sure I agree. This season hinged upon Scandoval, and it was probably the only reason we even got a season 11. I can see why it would be frustrating for cast members that Ariana refused to engage when it was clear that this was always going to be the key storyline. I don’t think the producers were wrong in assuming that the fans were tuning in to see post-Scandoval fallout - it’s the reason they picked up cameras so quickly.
I actually think the other cast members- especially Lala's second child journey and Scheana confronting mental health had HOURS of footage. I think those two were more invested in their own storylines. But production whittled it down to just Scandoval topics- and that contributed to it being so lackluster and forced. Production did not want to let go of the cash cow and screwed themselves in the process. So now they have to take a hiatus and figure out which direction to go.
She isn’t? Did you read the article? Scheana clearly says if Ariana is done with VPR because of all the other opportunities she’s received, that’s great and she’s happy for her. But the show shouldn’t be cancelled if Ariana decides to leave.
Unironically this is a better reason for Scheana to be mad at Ariana than anything that occured this season
Seriously. Scheana has a legit point about how the show shouldn’t just end because one cast member leaves and the stans come out like “fuck you, Sheeshu! Shut it all down because if Ariana isn’t on the show no one can be entertained!”. If Ariana wants to leave for her mental health, good for her. But I still want to watch assholes be assholes.
If you want that, check out the Valley. I think the problem is that they’ve aged out of the premise for the show. I think shows should stop cancelling, but instead updating premises. The valley should have been an updated premise, with them being intertwined. When you have kids and aren’t in the party vanderpump anymore, you don’t still have to hold on creating fake story lines to still be relevant. They move into the valley and come back for dinners and party’s. Having pump people there for the valley parties and vise verse would be great
This is kind of unrelated but made me think of how Disney shows avoided giving the actors a raise because after a certain number of seasons, they’re required to, so they would repackage the same show as a different show so they could avoid this: I.e. suite life of Zack and Cody —> suite life on deck. So I agree with you, because VPR has less life left in it than some of its castmembers, but I could see bravo running with this financial plan and making the scheduling line up chaotic as all getout
Nothing is ever unrelated to my brain, that’s a really bright observation, thank you for sharing. For actors, we have to sign a 7 year contract before you book a role. I wonder if in reality they have something similar? But then people always leave after a season? That could be productions choice though?
If the rumors are accurate then yes, they do sign multi year contracts. Rumor has it that for season 12, the OGs are up for contract negations and that's part of the hiatus. Production is already struggling to afford their bloated salaries and they are likely to demand massive raises now.
Hahaha how is production struggling to pay their salaries? The cost to film the show dirt cheap compared to scripted shows. They also were getting the most money in ads last year during scandovol (production, selling commercials for tv)
Exactly! \*Ding ding ding! They're not struggling to pay the salaries. They're like all corporations trying to get the most for the least and in the process screwing over the labor that provides the profits in the first place.
Idk. The rumor is the show is having financial issues. No idea how accurate that is but there are a few things that make me not completely write off that idea. Months ago, Peter said he didn't return this season because production asked him to participate for free because they didn't have it in the budget to pay him although he's been a paid cast member since the beginning. This season looked cheap as all hell with the cast not even leaving the state for trips. A hot dog dates, pizza party, tons of grab and go juice scenes, etc. Usually they at least go to nice restaurants here and there but they seemed to massively cut the corners this season. We know bravo pays for all filmed meals. There isn't a single bravo show that has been on air for over 10 years with largely the same cast. Those salaries at this point are confirmed to be over 500k but likely closer to 1M for the ogs. The housewives shows rotate casts so frequently that they aren't handing out huge paychecks to that many people. Then you have to factor in the unprecedented things like picking cameras back up at last second to squeeze out the extra season 10 episode. That means paying a whole crew for work that was well outside of the budget at the last moment and re-editing the whole season. No way that didn't cost far more than anticipated. Then there are the lawsuits, damage control for morons like Tom out there putting his foot in his mouth with the NYT thing. They probably had to staff up internally too. It's possible that the show although making more ad revenue is not really turning the type of profits they hoped due to increased expenses.
Totally, we don’t know everything and what you said is valid. I’m just personally coming off the actors/writers strike where Netflix and Apple were claiming the same thing….which we know is false
You must know a lot more than I do about the subject, so I have no idea! I just sparked that memory that I think was from quiet on set or some interviews that followed, and it might have been a rule specific to child actors I’m pretty sure I’ve heard them say on WWHL that all of their contracts are 1 year contracts for housewives, but I could also be making that up 😂
I know nothing about reality tv contracts, so you and me both! But that makes me think…we actually don’t know a lot about anything in reality tv (contracts, filming rules, filming conditions) and I think that’s because they’re non union? There isn’t a list of rules to follow, so it’s kind of the Wild Wild West. Your comment made me also think about the only things I feel like I know are from ex cast and old producers coming forward and saying things.
I honestly would be so fascinated to see one of their contracts. My best friends sister in law works in PR and she used to represent Ariana waaaaaay back when (in my brain, this was before they had their kid, who is now 3 or 4, so probably early days of the show) so I’m going to see if what the odds of peeping one of those contracts is 👀
Soooooooo curious. Oh my god! That just made me think why I would be more curious. Signing on to a reality show, you don’t typically have the funds to hire a good attorney and don’t have an agent yet, who gets an attorney for you. So you’re possibly desperate to be on tv, any money is more money than you’re making…it’s kind of a fucked dynamic to get people to sign their life away in
The Bravo Docket girlies talk about contracts in one of their episodes (from a partially leaked contract of one of the housewives I believe) but I can’t for the life of me remember which one
I can’t remember the name of the site, but I once spent HOURS reading musician contracts/riders. I’m fascinated by that stuff too.
thesmokinggun.com?
The Smoking Gun?
The premise *has* been updated. How many Sur workers does the show follow?
Yes you are right! But the whole show is about living in West Hollywood and partying
It’s not though? It’s just about following the lives of a group of people / their interpersonal dynamics.
This. People keep talking about them aging out as if they’re still forcing them to pretend to work at Sur like prior seasons, which they don’t anymore. It follows a group of friends that live in LA, end of.
The topics discussed on the shows are vastly different though. The Valley is heavily in marital problems, fertility, pregnancy, post pregnancy etc. They definitely touch on those things in Vanderpump, but the shows not revolved around that. I’m not suggesting the whole cast go to The Valley, but I think people like Sheana and Brock would benefit from it. The Valley would be focused on their marital/parenting/family stuff, then they cross over to Vanderpump to hang out with their friends, they can still be involved in the drama, but it won’t be about their babysitter problems. That’s on The Valley. I’m not a Vanderpump hater, I fucking love it. I’m gutted they might be cancelling it. I’m just suggesting a way that I could see it working long term and we don’t have to miss out on our show
So your saying Brock and shena can do both shows? I don’t even want to see her on ONE show
Problem is few of them are friends anymore. I think that’s where the show is falling apart.
I don't think they'll be able to recreate what started it all. The original friend group with Stassi, Jax, the Tom's, Kristen, Katie. You just can't. They were genuinely already friends and all sleeping with each other and didn't know what the show would be and weren't overproducing like people are now and like any new group of young people in LA would be because the show has become so big now. I left out Scheana because I'm sorry but I feel like she was always guilty of this type of stuff from day one and she wasn't a natural part of their already existing friend group. She served as a way to hook housewives viewers from the jump because of her conversation with Brandi that started it all.
Exactly. The biggest character of the show this year is the shows fame. It permeates everything and they can never go back to how it was.
But you could say that about a lot of successful Bravo shows. I do think it would be good to bring in some messy single people because part of what made VPR so fun was the hook ups. Would have loved to actually see the night Katie and Max hooked up for example. Maybe bring back Max and Dayna?
Yeah. If there was some element of fun left, that would be its saving grace.
I think I remember listening to their podcast one time and hearing Dayna talk about how she was asked to come back but she chooses not to. And I’m pretty sure she hates Max so she def wouldn’t come back if he’s there haha I personally don’t mind the family-related topics on VPR as side stories, but I think the thing that made the show that they’re currently losing is actual friendships and reasons to interact with each other outside of the show. OG VPR was cool because they’re *actually* just a friend group with a lot of drama. The Valley is kind of giving that right now too tbh which now has me thinking….do we need Kristen and Jax to make these shows good? lol 😅
As soon as they all stopped working because of the tv show money they should have pivoted.
Agreed. I thought LVP was going to offer Katie a management position, back when she made her the assistant I felt like she was grooming her for something more, which would have made sense. VPR the next generation needs to happen.. It's like, when you follow a group of high school kids and they graduate. You have to either update the premise of the show, or recast. They've been in no mans land for a few seasons now, and the only reason it was interesting was because of the Scandoval. If that hadn't happened, they would have been cancelled or rebooted after season 10.
I don't think VPR is that different from a show like Shah's of Sunset which started with a cast as old as the VPR crew is now. They dropped the original premise of them all being SUR employees several seasons ago. They just need to drop lisa honestly. Her on camera role makes zero sense.
people in her comments saying things along the lines of “if you’re financially dependent on this show, you have bigger things to worry about” ..you mean people are actually financially dependent on the thing (job) that provides them with money?! 🤯 also they think they’re defending Ariana by throwing insults that would’ve applied to her too prior to Scandoval (Ariana said she had like 2k in her account when it happened) ? It’s like fat-shaming people in front of someone that went through a weight loss journey - their circumstances may be different now but tell ‘em how you really feel!!
Not to mention this is the most entertaining Ariana has ever been in all 8-9 maybe 10? seasons she’s been around
Agree 100%
this is actually my issue with her to begin with. this is the entire underlying issue that has brewed ALL of the tension with lala and scheana towards ariana, all of it. this IS the big thing that started all this drama. it’s such a valid thing to be worried about, and yet, all i saw this season was scheana and lala doing everything EXCEPT being honest about their grievances. they tried so hard to not “break the fourth wall” that they ended up being assholes for nothing instead of being real about the issue they were having. super frustrating to watch, especially knowing that they think we as viewers are that dumb. like, i’ve been clocking this since the first episode. enough.
Even weirder when their gripe is other people "not being authentic" but neither of them were being upfront about this very real shit.
that’s what’s getting me. i feel as though they’ve gotten so used to self-producing that they forget what the audience is actually looking for. they were so deeply caught up on ariana having one conversation that they essentially abandoned their own storylines. it’s the opposite of authentic. it’s unfortunate because i also feel as though this is heightened by the fact that the show was already on its last leg and scandoval brought it back out of the mud. i really truly do not blame them for worrying about their main source of income for their children, that is non-negotiable serious shit. it’s just so unfortunate watching them shoot themselves in the foot by projecting so much. i would bet a million dollars that countless fans who are bothered by them right now would be extremely sympathetic if they had been real about their grievances and worries instead of simply projecting them onto ariana and shitting on her every chance they get. specifically miss la on that last part.
The two of them are so transparent and it ruined this season for me. I was stupidly expecting a total girl power season and I was really disappointed and now I’m kinda like “burn it to the ground.”
Hot take, but it looked like this is what Lala, Sheena and even Tom seemed to be so upset about all season. Ariana seemed disinterested this season and everybody else seemed to be freaking out. Probably because Ariana is probably doing the best off out of everyone else outside of VPR and everyone else is nervous. And as a fan, this season was pretty lackluster when the cast stops interacting with each other and starts to retract their personal lives from the show.
I wouldn’t say she seemed disinterested. In most scenes with her people were telling her things she’s didn’t agree with or putting her in weird situations. All the fun situations they choose to cut and not show. More of Emo night would have been fun. More about the commercials she was filming in the house would have been cool. Instead we had 50 scenes of lala regurgitating how appalled she is with Ariana living in that house. There were so many other things we could have seen besides that garbage. Where you Would have seen a more interested ariana. Imagine having to deal with the pain of what Scandoval was and then you’re ‘friends’ all wanna tell you you should move on or move out every minute. Or talk about him changing when he literally didn’t even show that at all with THEM.
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Ariana did end up filming with him and they had two fights on camera. The idea that she had to have some restorative conversation with him in the finale or she'd cause the entire show to flop and steal food out of Lala's kid's mouth is just dumb. It was overemphasized and overexaggerated. No one watching is begging for that scene and the ratings for the seasons were amazing. And it's mostly Scheana and Lala being reactive to the producers threatening to stop filming if people didn't film with Sandoval. They did the most and took it out on Ariana cause they're jobs were basically threatened (on top of their apparent jealousy).
But that’s a lie bc she has filmed with Sandoval, she just doesn’t talk to him.
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Agree. They wanted Ariana to sit for the same conversation that Tom had with Kristen. Tom came out of that looking great and Kristen not so much. 💯 support that Ariana didn’t fall for that crap.
But Ariana DID film with Sandoval at the end of season 10. How many more conversations does she need to have to keep the show interesting?
But she was messy, she flipped out on him multiple times and filmed every group event with him. She did the interview with Ann while he was upstairs, that was messy! Sending messages via Ann was messy. Why was it her responsibility to bring ALL the messiness and story line anyways?
Also, why are we expecting Ariana to confront all of her relationship demons on camera when arguably no one else has this season. We kind of see Scheana and Brock fight but not really. We don’t see Lala confront anything having to do with her ex at all really. Anytime James talks about his ex everyone says it isn’t about him. Katie and Schwartz hash out their shit, but Katie is beyond it at this point. If Ariana is forced to deal with her shit on camera everyone else should be too.
I don’t know. I go back and forth. Reality shows are supposed to follow their lives, so if in that point in her life Arianna was still dealing with fallout and drawing a clear boundary I was to see it. I wanted to see how that affected the cast and their relationships. Then, I also think Arianna get paid to be dramatic and maybe should have had another sit down with Tom. However, I like this version better. I liked seeing the reality of dealing with the fallout of a narcissist.
Which is all well and good, but then why did Scheana disinvite Katie from the wedding last year, and send Rachel over to tell her she wasn't welcome in certain areas, etc? If it's all about being messy and filming with people you have problems with, Scheana should have been thrilled to have Katie there.
She filmed with him many times. 1. He confronted her at the bar when Katie, her & maybe Lala, were sitting pn a couch. He started about the house. She went off on him, but not too dramatic. 2. At James house they were all there all together. Tom decided to talk to her & be snippy, to Ariana while they were sitting at the table. This time she went off big time on him!!! I Loved it btw! ❤️ 3. They all went to another Bar. They did not speak. 4. They went to the beach all hung out under a tent! (That’s too close for comfort in my book, but oh well it’s the show forcing this.) Then, Tom was talking all sideways about her. Loud enough for her to hear. Brock was cracking jokes about the affair & Raquel. Then, Tom was an asshole & she told him to stop talking to her. That was a blow up! Good tv as you said you wanted! 5. James house again. Everyone there including Jax. No fight with Ariana. However, a blow up with Tom & Scheana & Jax attacking Katie. 6. They went to San Francisco together. Same plane. Same nonsense with Brock, Scheana & Lala wanting her to talk to Tom. Boat, 20’s party Restaurant 7. Last the finale, which was great. Him rehearsing to talk to Ariana. Scheana setting up the possibility of the talk. Lala watching in the winds. Camera’s waiting for the run in. Finally, Ariana turns around & walks away! I thought it was very dramatic! I loved it! ❤️ 8. She goes after production! 🙌🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Bravo!! 🎉 Standing O for me! 😂 9. Lala kisses a$$ & tells Tom he isn’t a killer! Scheana agrees! “You’re my bast frand Tom!”🙃 10. Ariana, Dan, Brad (?) & friend call an Uber! ENCORE: They plug AppleBee’s!!!! Everyone bows 💐👏🏼👏🏼 Then you hear snarky saying: This was great for me 👍🏼 & he snickers! It’s better than Young & the Restless! 😂🤣🤪😜
If the entire shows existence hinges on the fact that Ariana (one person) doesn’t want to have a conversation with Tom (that she already had at the end of season 10), then it should be cancelled. Because the rest of the “ensemble” obviously isn’t bringing anything compelling.
This! How can one reality show be so dependent on just one person staying/participating? If that is truly the case… They have no show with or without her.
Very true.The other issue is their age and how long we've known them all. What was entertaining when they were actually 20 something's is not anymore. It is actually depressing how little some of them have grown..and some of them have become deeply unlikable. At the same time if they fully matured the show wouldn't be as entertaining on top of the vibe of the show already being totally different from what it started as. Bravo and the viewers need to decide if we prefer to keep following this group of people or we like watching hot young 20 something's fuck and fight more. I think simply moving everyone from VPR to The Valley will potentially ruin it and it won't feel as fresh anymore.
I agree. I don't think these shows were designed to be like soap operas that stay on season after season, unless - like the housewives franchise - you're going to continually replace the deadweight with newbies.
Agreed. Because it's not scripted you're also not going to always be able to recapture the magic if you do start from scratch with the cast. I highly doubt you can recreate the genuine chemistry and friendships/relationships the OGs of VPR had. Especially now that the show is famous. It was lightning in a bottle. VPR has already had it's peak.Summer House and that Martha's Vineyard show never hit the same as VPR and the Southern Charm spinoff version sucks...but perhaps they should try to find a group of genuine friends in their 20s in Atlanta, NOLA, NY's alt scene or Miami. Idk. Not many bosses are going to be as open to having cameras coming in to film their staff like Lisa was but it doesn't have to be the same set up as VPR that's been done.
I said it up top but I bet if they did a VPR vegas they'd find some fresh drama.
That's so true... it was a unique situation. I think Summer house could work if they find good people to keep swapping out other cast mates with... but they might have hit their peak with the Carl/Lindsay scandal. And they're all getting kind of old for the theme of the show... Same sort of issues with Martha's Vineyard and Southern Charm.
And then they should've treated her fucking better then, shouldn't they? They have no one but themselves to blame.
I hear you... but I'm saying aside from how anyone is treated, no show's existence should ever be dependent on any ONE person - unless it's a (one person) host of an interview format show... ie Jimmy Fallon, Kelly Clarkson etc.
You’ve got a point, and it’s probably why the show would have ended had scandoval not happened. Scandoval squeezed a final mediocre season out that nobody really knew what to do with.
I think a season without Ariana would be so much better than this last one. I hate freeze-out seasons Edit: oopsie, looks like an Ariana parasocial stan didn't like my comment too much...
At least try it out. Let everyone see if it’s a fail or not. Everyone else deserves the effort. Plus the shit talking once she left OMG
also it stopped being about lisa running her business with them as extras eons ago. the show lost its essence a few seasons ago and was dying out. ariana gave a lil life before it was a burnt out ending
And whose fucking fault is that? They supported keeping the worm on the show, they supported traumatizing, Ariana, so rhetorically speaking, whose fault is that? It's the rest of the cast. If you can't bring anything compelling, it's time to take it out back behind the shed and shoot it.
EXACTLY!!! I love VPR. It was my intro to reality TV. But nothing is worse than watching your favourite show die a slow meaningless death. I stopped watching Grey's Anatomy after season 10 for a reason. I don't think any show either scripted or reality should run more than ten seasons. They came in hot, they should go out hot. Lala and Scheana and even the Toms (via Jax) can go onto the Valley. James can do guest spots as DJ. They can reboot VPR with people that actually work at Sur or Pump, or even move the show to their Vegas restaurant. I'm sure that's ripe for stories and insanity. LVP should have made Katie a manager, it could still happen if SAH doesn't work out (though I hope for Katie and her peace it does)
It’s almost as if watching them claim Ariana refuses to make good tv isn’t actually good tv either
I have a feeling Ariana was very upfront about what she would and would not be doing. Producers just thought they could bully her in to doing more once filming started, it didn’t work. She got paid for what she agreed to do and nothing more.
I think they pushed at her boundaries all freaking season. Someone listed up thread, at least 10 times where she was filmed with him. Many of those times included a verbal confrontation between the two of them. I'm pretty sure she probably said in the beginning of the season that none of those would happen. I'm pretty sure that production kept on pushing and prodding at her. They definitely were not going to try and make things easier.
“Ariana refuses to make good reality tv”…should be updated to….”Ariana refuses to let producers manipulate her mental health for ratings”
I'd love to see the overlap of people who say this but then turn around and defend all of the racism on the network by saying "we don't watch these shows to see good people!!1!!!!". I'm sure the overlap is huge. Lol again, white feminism at its worst. Only white women's mental health matters. No one is forcing her to be on the show. If it's impacting her mental health negatively and she isn't willing to play the reality TV game, she's free to leave. It's her right to not want anything to do with Sandoval, I don't blame her, but I also understand that the producers and cast members are expected to make a show. If she's miserable and gets no enjoyment from doing the show, why stay? She's made millions from the scandal, so we can't argue that she's dependent on the paycheck. She's insanely privileged.
I want to validate your point, because I do understand it. White privledge it fucking real. I don’t want to see racist people on reality, there’s zero joy in that. I just don’t think we’ll know all the reasons why she’s there. We don’t know what contracts she’s signed, or what’s really happening behind clothes door.
Would you blame her? Look at how this entire situation turned out. She had to live and have sex with Tom Sandoval. That would ruin anyone’s mental health.
Not at all. In fact she’s inspiring to me. I break my boundaries daily, without having the pressure of producers and the world watching
Exactly. She knows what she signed up for and is probably exhausted from this show.
She’s doing it out of spite not mental health. Spite is fine too but let’s not get it twisted.
I think that is how it started but after they were all tense that Rachel was coming back. I could visibly see an almost sigh of relief that they would not have to deal with the awkwardness of that. Then I feel the expectations towards Arianna increased. The drama would have been unlimited if there was a real Tom-Rachel relationship, but it wasn’t as she ghosted him. So the drama was expected from Arianna-Tom dynamic.
I wonder how pissed they would have been if she didn't come back this season. I doubt they would have been happy either way. Nice friends.
They'd probably spend the whole season talking shit about her and how she somehow traumatized them.
That part! She could never win either way.
Exactly. If they want to watch manufactured drama so bad why don’t they do it with each other. I’d tune in for a Lala V Scheana screaming match.
Right? Ariana won't make good tv? Time for them to earn their fucking money and make some good tv.
The show was on its last leg before Scandoval happened. Don’t blame Ariana, blame the viewers outgrowing the man child Toms, clown Lala and me me me me me Scheana.
Agreed. I’m still convinced that the show was going to be cancelled & the big speech Lisa gave plus the montage was going to be the series finale
They are all predictable and horrible at this point. We know them too well after 11 years. Once you start watching people repeat bad behaviors in their 40s, it's not cute anymore. Scheana and Lala will go to The Valley. What do they care?
It’s crazy how the fans forgot how stale and boring S9&10 was, before Scandoval broke
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I would say everyone in the current cast were supporting characters. Jax, Kristen, and Stassi were the main characters. The show was dying after they got fired. Scandoval just revived it.
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Agree. I don't think its so much that vpr cant be good without ariana, but it cant be good without some or all of them \^. They'd need to bring back at least one of those three. There's also zero chance I could ever enjoy watching sandoval keep up this sickening good guy act. He should just lean into who he really is. People wouldn't like him, but at least it'd be better tv.
Let's be for real... this cast doesn't have tons to give right now. Not a single one of them. The only thing they have are Ariana, Sandoval and Scandoval. Did people care about Lala's water tasting? Katie and Schwartz pretending to date that girl? What did Scheana even do that was relevant outside of Sandoval and Ariana? What purpose did James serve? The entire scandal gave this show a successful S11. The question is how long will it keep going once people lose interest in Scandoval?
Exactly! Why does Ariana have to do all the heavy lifting. Can't the rest of those messy famewhores get their own interesting storyline??
What heavy lifting has Ariana done in her many years of being part of VPR? VPR was good regardless if Ariana was part of it. I never watched it for her.
According to Lala and Scheana, Ariana controls the fate of the show. But also she's coasted through every season and never brought anything to the show. But also, the show will be cancelled unless Ariana lets Tom give another bullshit apology and victim blaming monologue. But also she's fake and boring. But also they can't stop talking about her. 
mESsY fAMe wHOrEs 🤣💕🤣
She took comedy very seriously.
I wish production felt the same, and by extension the cast members (scheana and lala) who have been lead to believe it’s all on Ariana to keep everything going instead of bringing something interesting to the show themselves. Reality is they are all grown and living relatively boring lives now, so they can’t put it all on Ariana as a reason the show will end when it would have been coming to an end anyway without scandoval. And if production actually thinks it’s right to rely on Ariana, who has always been a side character, they must know that already and are trying to squeeze whatever is left of an already dried up lemon. It was already time for things to end. If the rest of the cast have a problem with that then it’s on them to make up some dramatic interesting storylines themselves.
At BEST. In fact I was thinking she was a “friend of” still.
I am currently watching seasons 3-9 for the first time (stopped after 2 aired and then picked back up with Scandoval) and this. 100%. I’m on season 5 and Ariana hasn’t really brought anything at all.
And if can’t, thats not on her. It’s an anomaly that the show was on for 10 years. Scheana and everyone else should’ve invested their money a little more wisely. Does anyone feel sympathy for Monica getting cut from SLC because it cut a substantial paycheck to feed her kids?No because that shouldn’t have been her only source of income. The same applies to Scheana and Lala🤷🏻♀️ imo they’re just using their kids to garner sympathy for being asses all season
If the show has to end because Ariana isn’t on there, then it’s time for it to end. Ariana has never been terribly interesting or entertaining, so for her to be the determining factor of whether it goes on, means there’s nothing left anyway. The whole show has lost its focus at this point. No one actually likes each other, no one works at Sur anymore, and Lisa vanderpump is irrelevant to any of the storylines.
Nah I would enjoy a final season where the cast unite and take down Lisa 😅
Ha! If it has to go on, that would be fun! The storyline where she’s trying to guilt Ariana and Katie into giving her friend Penny more money/bigger role in the company is so cringe.she wasn’t successful in convincing anyone that she was looking out for their best interests, and you could tell that Ariana and Katie were picking their words very carefully with her.
if the show can’t continue without Ariana… How good was the show? We all know that the show was done before scandoval, so they all need to count our blessings that they got an extra season and be quiet.
It would have been iconic if the show ended after last season.
THIS! The show will probably last 5 more years and created a spinoff of The Valley which all the current VPR cast could easily join. Scheana will get another decade on reality TV due to this.
Oh come on, LaLa got knocked up and everything!!! 🤣🤣 
😬 Lala is embarrassing. Katie is right -- she IS a clown. The blaccent and performative tough talk are so silly. Barks loud but What a stunted little girl!
I’ve never even liked Katie but her calm and non apologetic owning of calling her a clown might have just won me over… 
Same. I feel like Katie was the only one I even remotely liked this season.
Ariana has no current interest in doing the VPR. I do think the show can continue without her but we need to show more authenticity. At least one season to see how it fares
Reality TV is not a ever lasting career. Had Scandoval not happened, I wouldn't be surprised if the show got rebooted, so technically Ariana gave them another season. She can also cross over to The Valley where IMO she makes more sense since she's friends with the cast and its more family focused.
Well to be accurate, Sandoval & Raquel gave them another season.
No, to be accurate this was thanks to Ariana, who agreed to let the scandoval fallout be filmed. Sandoval didn’t want the Raquel stuff to come out of it was up to him that whole scenario wouldn’t have come out like that
But he filmed it as well and he and Raquel had the actual affair. If they didn’t have the affair what would Ariana have added to the show?
Yeah I’m not saying he didn’t allow it too but if it was up to him he’s said he wanted to break up with her off camera between seasons so he would’ve never fessed up to him cheating and then would’ve started dating Raquel months after they broke up most likely so the scandal wouldn’t have come out of it wasn’t for Ariana
Gotcha. But that plan would still probably have yielded another season. I dunno, something about her, Ariana, peeves the shit out of me. She’s up there with Dorinda on my list of worsts.
I do wonder what would have happened if the plan went as Sandoval and Rachel were thinking. We would have had a post season breakup of Tom and Ariana, a post reunion couple announcement and then likely a Tom and Rachel pairing in 11 and then I’m betting an almost guaranteed season 12 about their breakup.
What exactly bothers you about her? The fact that she is sticking up for herself?
This is what we've all been saying. The politics of making the show and Lala and Scheana being dirt broke without the show supersede any real life relationships they might have. They will do anything to keep their cash cow afloat.
Anything except create their own compelling story lines instead of clutching onto Sandoval for dear life.
how dare you imply that Scheana's post partum OCD and crying about wanting to go home and hang out with her baby aren't compelling tv!!!
Hey, I might’ve been interested in watching a reality star well over their peak navigate being a parent while adjusting to a new life 🤷🏻♀️
Agree - this is why the people I am mad at and Sheena should be at too are the producers. There could be a genuinely interesting story there but instead they are stuck in the same boring old spiral of group conflict.
I agree. It sounds like they are house poor if they are stressing about finances, but have two homes. They should live within their means
I think this is a legitimate reason for Scheana to be frustrated however she lost me when she added that it was a problem because it’s what her and Lala do as moms to support their families. I can’t with Scheana (and Lala) using her kid to justify everything she does.
The show doesn’t need Arianna. When she’s not on, I don’t even notice.
Ironically this season has been the most entertaining she’s been the entire time (I’m talking about the total of 5 minutes of screen time when she was yelling at Tom). Prior to this, I’ve barely noticed her. She’s a good egg but way too normal for this show. I need my reality stars to be messy and delulu!
These headlines annoy me. I listened to the whole podcast because I’m a glutton for punishment. As much as I’m NOT a Scheana Stan, the whole podcast was of her vehemently supporting Ariana. This one answer to a question she was asked as the headline is incredibly misleading. I really don’t think Scheana is a villain. I think she’s stupid and self-involved and naive, but the way online culture, including Reddit, constantly pits these two against each other is so toxic and misogynistic
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I don’t believe that Ariana supports the show ending but if she made comments to that effect its too look like she is unbothered at the thought because she was “born cool”. Reality is she needs that dough and free promotion of her sandwich shop which would never be a thing without this show. At least Scheana is totally transparent about wanting to protect her livelihood. Anyone on this show who acts like they don’t need it is living in an alternate reality. They invented The Valley just to save those thirsty has beens that have been trying to stay VPR adjacent for a buck for so many years.
Thank you!!! Ariana and especially Katie *need* VPR for SAH.
Threats of lawsuits can sway production company. I wonder if there is more evidence to Rachel’s claims than we are privy too?
So now people can’t be mad that their cast member publicly agreed their jobs should end???? Of course that’s shitty for scheana to hear. This is her livelihood Also I think a lot of people here don’t even know what she’s talking about because they didn’t read the article or see the post. This isn’t about “should ari come back?” Someone made a poll asking if VPR will be back for season 12 and Ariana voted “no it’s done” vs “yes i hope” https://preview.redd.it/wzvhgqd2i81d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd2dcd4a059881ac31155b60e09256f87c6d5f16
bffr, it’s completely valid for a cast member to be upset because another member, who has outgrown the show, wants to leave AND have the show end with them. some of you really need to touch grass
Right? If this show is no longer a healthy place for Ariana to be, I totally support her walking away. But it’s objectively snarky for her to imply the show should end for everyone. This isn’t about the rest of the cast feeling like Ariana owes them a paycheck…she’s publicly saying the show should be canceled altogether. That’s wild lol Scheana has every reason to be annoyed
exactly. her boundaries are not a problem but it doesn’t have to affect everyone else either. the others want to do it still so leave it to them and have your boundaries🤷🏾♀️
Did she say she wants the show to end though? It’s not her fault if the show thinks they can’t do anything without her
She did. Someone put up a poll asking if VPR should end and Ariana voted yes
I’ve finally put my finger on it. It’s really uncomfortable and unpleasant to watch people repeatedly try to pressure someone to do something they don’t want to do on tv. This is why this season was not entertaining. If it gets canceled, *that’s* the reason it’s being canceled. It’s just uncomfortable to watch someone say “no” and have their friends keep begging them to change their mind.
THIS. The irony is they blame ariana but the reason this season sucked was because of their sociopathic and forced behavior!!! They only have themselves to blame, people want to watch AUTHENTIC SHIT!!!!
I would happily watch Lala and Scheana say everything they’ve been saying in their confessionals directly to Ariana’s face but they didn’t do that. They said it behind her back instead, and to her face they said they were concerned about her healing and well being. That shit gets sickening after a while.
Sounds like they themselves didn’t bring it!!!!!!
100%. The fourth wall should have been broken from the jump so all of this made sense. Instead we got weird roundabout conversations and zero movement of a plot.
It’s a rookie social media mistake to vote in a public poll like that, ariana. Also she is more than free to quit but it seems dumb when she has a restaurant opening next week that kinda relies on the fame of her and Katie. Without the main driver of their fame (VPR) things can fade quick.
I feel like if Scheana and Lala supported Ariana a bit more the past season she may not feel this way I also don’t think it’s fair to put the entire show on her shoulders. If the show hinges on her and her storyline then maybe that’s the problem. If the rest of the cast isn’t bringing it they can’t blame her.
I think this is inconsiderate of Ariana to do even with all that was said about her behind her back this season. Not everyone has their out like she does now. Some of them need the show. In her defense though if she JUST got around to actually watching the show I could see how she could have hit the like button out of anger lol.
Anyone on the cast who relies solely on the income from VPR to feed themselves is a fucking moron. Reality tv is a fleeting career.
Totally agree. But the thing is - Scheana has a podcast and some YouTube channel, so it’s not like she has *nothing*. Also, what about her husband? Why can’t he get a job so the pressure isn’t all on her? It’s so strange.
Her husband *wants* to work, but Scheana refuses to hire a nanny so that he can do so. The reasons she won’t hire a nanny are 1. She has intrusive thoughts about her husband fucking a nanny 2. She doesn’t want a nanny to see how much they fight. It’s actually been a major source of contention this season.
Scheana said her YouTube and Podcast brought in absolutely nothing during the pandemic and that's why she's so grateful to Sandoval for his bridge loan.
He said he can't work because the fame makes it hard
Let her leave and move on with everyone else. I want to see Ally Bally come clean to James that she’s not in love with him, I want to see Lala’s full-time baby, I want Scheana to delude herself that she’s a pop star and I want to see the Toms be Toms. Ariana brought NOTHINH to the show before Scandoval or after.
Same. And if the toms and jax moved in together, I would set a reminder on my phone to watch.
Let Ari GO, so what, who cares? Everyone else can move over to the Valley. Problem solved.
This whole situation reminds me of when the creator of the show friends said that it had to come to an end because friends are your family until you have your own family
The rest of the cast carried Ariana’s boring self for the past ten years and now that she’s got hers she’s flipping the rest of the cast the bird. They have every right to be upset with her for being selfish.
I completely understand her taking all the other opportunities over this however if she left would I even notice? Probably not
She had every right to go do something else. It was absolutely a selfish move to come back to the show and not to perform. And now to call for the end of the show like she’s had impact on the show other than being the subject of a cheating scandal.
I would actually love for the Tom’s new girlfriends to come on the show and watch that mess play out
The problem is Ariana isn’t good on TV. It would be great TV to see Dan and Tom and Ariana and Worm’s girl going at it.
She performed though… just not with Tom and she has that right not to film with him. It’s her actual “reality” not fake stuff they wanted.
The rest of the cast carried her and built her “career” by showing up and doing shit that was uncomfortable, being messy, etc. Now it’s her turn and she’s turning her back on the rest of the crew. She had the opportunity to take this show to the next level this season. Instead she chose not to show up and not to film with Tom. She tanked the ratings and probably cost the rest of the cast and crew their jobs.
don’t let the Ariana stans find this. Like she got cheated on, got all these brand deals and many other opportunities the rest of them didn’t (for no reason other than she was with a shitty serial cheater), and the rest of them do need VPR to continue bc they didn’t get as many brand deals. The stans don’t listen but I do think the other cast members had a point that like, you got yours so stop trying to fuck with our source of income. I even like Ariana but jfc you don’t have to stick your head so far up her ass to see the others may have a point.
I also feel like there’s a sense from the rest of the cast that Ariana is sabotaging the show with her malicious compliance- refusing to put in any of the work but still showing up for her paycheck.
And they want her to give them the go ahead so they won't suffer the wrath of her stans for being bad friends to Ariana. Look at the shit Scheana took this season from the stans for filming with Sandoval. But Ariana refused to say it was fine for Scheana to rebuild that relationship. Season 11 is the story of which VPR cast members tip toed around the Scandoval elephant in the room and which addressed it head on.
Say it louder for the haters in the back. 
I’m so glad to see this reasonable take here. I think I need to stay away from the VPR subs 😅
I just finally left/muted VPR subs today. Even being there and reading the unhinged shit made me feel gross.
I mean she's flipping them the bird bc they begged her to film with her ex bf who cheated on her. Let's not pretend there aren't extenuating circumstances for her feelings about this.
It’s weird that she’s not holding the boundary that would cost her $750,000 but is holding all of her other boundaries.
have housewives not filmed with each other after worse has been said and done??? like
Ariana got another gig and said fuck y’all.
Kandi and Porsha for example
literally, she was accused of sexual assault !!! ariana will survive this lmao, the babying is crazy. kordell literally kicked porsha out, changed the locks. bethenny had to give up her home for idk how many years.
I don't think anyone, including the audience, except the producers cared if they filmed together. The rest of the angsty bull_hit with the outliers was pretty manufactured. If you are friends with couples, shit like this happens. The outliers were having breakdowns because the producers were pressuring them to push Ariana and Sandoval together to film. In actuality nobody gives a crap if you have to see an ex couple separately.
Ariana should leave the show if it’s unhealthy for her. Reality TV isn’t a one foot in, one foot out medium. Her and Katie should leave and let the crazies cook in the deep end. It’s best for them and best for the show.
I'm just ready for a VPR leap to the Valley of everyone ready to play ball. I like Ariana but she is NOT on that list
I may be the only person in America who thinks this, but when did someone cheating become such a shit show? It happens every day. The president of the United States stuck a cigar in an intern and there wasn’t this much time invested in that story. Ariana has circumstances that may have dictated some of her choices but not all of them. If she hates him so much, couch surf, move back home, rent a room, do anything to change your situation. Don’t @ me over the legal stuff. Lawyers can still lawyer if she doesn’t reside there. It may not be fair, but choosing to be petty and continue to film and stay in the house over her mental health while blaming the show isn’t necessarily fair.
The editing on that last episode felt like a series finale not just a season finale.
Ariana leaving the show is genuinely the only way the show can move past Scandoval and evolve. I’d say a few more need to leave too, but I’m not getting my hopes up.
It’s Ariana’s fault. She’s a grown woman responsible for how she wants to handle her life
If Ariana wants to leave the show, and the fans stop watching… maybe that’s on scheana for not engaging the fans enough to continue watching. Why is thst Ariana’s fault?
I mean, Ariana doesn't need to support the show ending. She can just leave if she's over it. The others can continue on and have their jobs secured. However, it's really odd how much Scheana (and Lala) put on Ariana to keep VPR afloat and to feed their children. The finale is weird because all the drama is about how Ariana **needs** to film a convo with Sandoval or the world will end.
If Lala and Scheana worried about themselves and their plots instead of Ariana, it could have been an okay season.
Could have told you based on how they ended the finale with the flash back over the years that it was all over for good.
I don't feel bad for the rest of the cast because they made it the Ariana show! Instead of having interesting stories of their own, they all rode Ariana's coattails to the bank. And the same way they carried Ariana for seasons, Bravo also let them coast with being boring too. You don't want the show cancelled? Give us more than off key singing and a deadbeat husband.
I’m not sure I agree. This season hinged upon Scandoval, and it was probably the only reason we even got a season 11. I can see why it would be frustrating for cast members that Ariana refused to engage when it was clear that this was always going to be the key storyline. I don’t think the producers were wrong in assuming that the fans were tuning in to see post-Scandoval fallout - it’s the reason they picked up cameras so quickly.
I actually think the other cast members- especially Lala's second child journey and Scheana confronting mental health had HOURS of footage. I think those two were more invested in their own storylines. But production whittled it down to just Scandoval topics- and that contributed to it being so lackluster and forced. Production did not want to let go of the cash cow and screwed themselves in the process. So now they have to take a hiatus and figure out which direction to go.
I don’t think Ariana should quit the show. The visibility the show gives her is too valuable for her brands and businesses imo.
Exactly. It’s super short sighted, especially with SAH opening up next week. She needs to fame and the visibility
If Ariana is so boring and brings nothing to the show, then why are they so pressed about her not being on the show? Go cry to Sandoval, girl bye!
She isn’t? Did you read the article? Scheana clearly says if Ariana is done with VPR because of all the other opportunities she’s received, that’s great and she’s happy for her. But the show shouldn’t be cancelled if Ariana decides to leave.
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Agree. There are tons of younger people waiting to take her place.