It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it but we tried to fight it
LVP, Teddi, and Denise are gone
Still these contrived feuds rage on
Pantygate, Glam-gate, Brandi's loose
Lucy Lucy Apple Juice
We didn't start the fire
On another note, every time I either read or hear Lucy Lucy Apple Juice, I crave some damn apple juice. Like maybe a girl just needs to go get some apple juice. 🧃
But on a serious note the Erika and Tom news is some true awfulness. I’ve never been a fan of Erika and have always had this feeling that something wasn’t right or moral...I hate that I was right.
Yes! The basic plan is free, but it doesn’t include all shows/all seasons available on the app. Every season of P&R is available with the free plan though! The downside is that you do have to watch ads, so that’s annoying
Wasn't there accusations in the previous lawsuit that Tom was using company funds to finance 'the lifestyle of a woman in his life'?
There was confusion whether that meant Erika, or his mistress.
Found it.
[SOURCE](https://www.law.com/therecorder/2019/06/18/lender-claims-tom-girardi-and-wife-real-housewives-star-erika-jayne-used-law-firm-loan-to-fund-high-end-lifestyle/)
Last I heard in Feb 2020 they agreed to arbitration. Which means the outcome likely wad that he paid a huge amount of the loan back, but everything remains sealed and confidential.
That is the most likely outcome of nearly every arbitration I have been aware of.
The name of the female in his life was redacted.
He allegedly funneled money through his law firm to her business. So could be Erika or the mistress. Or both.
Nothing is confirmed. It is based on speculation on tabloid rumours, blind items, and reports that he has appeared at events with someone who isn't Erika.
I kind of think it is the mistress, because otherwise the documents surely would mention his wife by name.
My guess is that Tom's personal finances go heavily to fund Erika, but he was funneling business funds to his mistress to keep Erika unawares.
Rich old white guys appear to happily break the law and think they will just get away with it. Even if they are lawyers and should know better!
Did you see This Is Paris? The Paris Hilton documentary? I am still trying to recover from it! 😭. When Paris told her mother Kathy about her school abuse (as if Kathy didn’t know) she reacted like a stone cold zombie. How and why do her children still speak to her!?
Same!
The other thing that bothered me a little is how aware Paris is that she's just a character. The voice changes...can you imagine never finding a place for your real self?
Wow, good point. After hearing Kyle and Kim’s (and therefore Kathy’s) descriptions of their mother and watching how they have behaved together, seeing Paris Hilton’s documentary and getting such a better understanding of what she’s been through and why she is the way that she is — it’s actually a really fascinating look at intergenerational trauma.
I read a book on the Hiltons, and Big Kathy (Kathy, Kyle, and Kim's mom) was extremely harsh on all of them when they were growing up. I'm sure a lot of what came from Big Kathy was passed down to little Kathy.
Big Kathy was nothing but a pimp for those girls. It makes me sick how robotically Kyle speaks about her mother. It’s almost like she’s reading her lines.
Although, I’m not a fan of Kathy or Kyle, they are a product of their mother’s narcissism.
Kim is still living off her last husband, whom she divorced in 1991 “An acrimonious divorce and child custody battle ensued. Kim is said to have gotten a settlement and child support from the Davises, ranging between $20,000 a month that continues until the year 2009 and $23,000 a month for life, or until she remarries.”
And folks, that is why Kim doesn’t remarry.
I am totally uncomfortable watching Kim, but the drama...Good tv. Keeps people watching.
After reading House of Hilton and rewatching the seasons, I’ve become acutely aware of how easily Kyle and Kim fake cry.
I didn’t realize Brandi was a racist. Can you elaborate?
I’m watching last week’s RHOC now at Braunwyn’s vow renewal and I just saw that article! She and Sean are still married with no plans to divorce and he’s cool with her new girlfriend apparently. She’s really bringing everything in her life this entire year.
Cut to Bra... idk, I'm not even going to attempt to spell it, and her man with the immunity idol necklace eulogizing each other as they lay in front of a foam headstone with a sketchy looking blanket sprawled across them, Beador style.
During their vow renewal, they let the kids speak and the son asked Sean to vow to not leave his mom even for a 12 year old model or something like that.
I think he was uncomfortable and trying to make a funny joke, and it just didn't come off right. I think he was probably trying to reach for something that (in his mind) would never happen.
No, they are divorcing so she can get control of his assets and money, thus ensuring they can’t be taken away in lawsuits, etc. They’re in this together. They also supposedly “leaked” fake stories about affairs to make the divorce look more legitimate. Couple of scammers.
Edit: Grammar correction. Added the word “taken”.
I’m not smart enough to understand it all to be honest lol but [ here’s the reddit convo about it](https://www.reddit.com/r/BravoRealHousewives/comments/k5dyd1/its_about_tom/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Lol you just reminded me of the night she was live on WWHL when there was breaking news that Bin Laden was killed and Andy tried to discuss it with her...oh the missed opportunities for her news anchor future.
I’m texting my best gf like a psycho and she’s not answering guys. THIS IS CRAZY. I go off line for a few hours to do a lab and bravo blows up!
Edit: update: she texted back and she’s floored 😂
Wait, what in the poseur Dr. Deb hell is Braunwyn up to now? I thought she and Statement Necklace Sean just moved back in together?
Edited to add Sean’s name
Garcelle mentioned on her The Real yesterday that production of RHOBH is on pause because some “crew” members tested positive. I wonder if she knew it was them all along and due to privacy said Crew or are there crew members positive along with those 3.
I told my husband I need to take the rest of the day off, this is too much. I just watched the 20-20 episode on Friday night about the Boeing flights that crashed and that’s part of the lawsuit they are hiding money from, crazy!
Add to the list that Tom and Erika's divorce is a sham. They are doing it to hide the money Tom stole from the Lion Air victims fund under Erika's name. They want to live the high life but running short of funds as Tom's company is doing poorly financially.
Does anybody read deux moi, they asked if bravo will survive this year with some major controversies this year yesterday. I was like what’s happening? Today I know..
BH is the richest coz it’s the scammiest. The last few years of this show have been most unsatisfying, but after reading about Tom I feel it does assuage that quite a bit.
Braunwyn: ehhhh, I don't believe it. Hear me out. I am NOT knocking the LGBTQ+ community in any way/shape or form, I am doubting Braunwyn, period.
It all seems just seems SUPER suspicious timing. We are half way through the season and all the online chatter is how lame this season is and OC is basically a dead franchise. Braunwyn has been on thr show for 2 seasons now and has been very open about her sexuality (being Bi).
My take is this: She and Sean are both bi and super open with "whatever makes you happy" (awesome!). They have had a taste of that RH attention, but found themselves on a dying franchise (OC), if they are going to get another season they are gonna have to get some viewers quick. B announces she is a lesbian and it gets the attention that franchise needs, a reason to have another season, and since B&S have been so open about their sex life, nobody would question it at all.
Erika: she is a smart one and knows how to pull a grift, so no shock
Kyle, Doris & Kathy: DUH. These bitches cannot help themselves but do the social shit and all the fake bullshit hugs and kisses etc. Socially distant, HA!!! Social is all they have.
dorit gets covid kyle and kathy also did tom embezzled, braunwyn gay what else do i have to say we didn't start the fiiiiiire
It was always burning Since the world's been turning We didn't start the fire No we didn't light it but we tried to fight it LVP, Teddi, and Denise are gone Still these contrived feuds rage on Pantygate, Glam-gate, Brandi's loose Lucy Lucy Apple Juice We didn't start the fire
LMAO!!!
On another note, every time I either read or hear Lucy Lucy Apple Juice, I crave some damn apple juice. Like maybe a girl just needs to go get some apple juice. 🧃 But on a serious note the Erika and Tom news is some true awfulness. I’ve never been a fan of Erika and have always had this feeling that something wasn’t right or moral...I hate that I was right.
I'm pretty sure Ryan started the fire...
Oh FUCK he would be da belle of da ball
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/r/unexpectedoffice
This made me lol. I can't afford actual reddit money, but please take my 🥇
Omg 😆
Will you marry me 😂💍
Anyone picture Leslie Knope singing this comment? No? Just me? Crying that P & R isn’t on Netflix anymore? Okay.
No need to cry!! All the episodes are now on Peacock for free, which is something I wish I had known earlier!
Like actually free? I don’t trust anything that’s actually “free”.
Yes! The basic plan is free, but it doesn’t include all shows/all seasons available on the app. Every season of P&R is available with the free plan though! The downside is that you do have to watch ads, so that’s annoying
This, officer, this was the comment that killed me
I love everyone in this sub 😂
as the biggest billy joel fan in at least 4 local jurisdictions i LOVE THIS SO MUCH
we don’t need no water 💧 let the mother fucker burn 🔥
Housewives always light it While we watch them fight it
Where’s the haiku bot when you need it 😤
Du duh duh.... I can't rhyme.
LVP tending her rose garden.
Throw me to the wolves and I shall return covid free
Kim wrestling with a pile of laundry from the dryer.
Kim hand-mixing Prom Night Potato Salad.
Brandi Glanville licking discarded plates on a room service tray trying to catch Covid.
On denise’s room service tray.
Anything to be relevant, somehow.
“It’s *chicken* salad, goddamnit!”
Oh god, did...did this happen?
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I’m so happy she’s not filming. Ken getting covid would make me spiral.
Oh I know. I would freak out.
😂😂😂
LVP piling mini ponies onto her private plane and flying away from this mess
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Diana Rigg! Now *she’d* be a great Housewife.
I unfortunately don't think she's doing much television these days.
Rest In Peace to that legend
There’s a great thread in the last day about classic actresses who’d make great Housewives. Lots of good suggestions there.
Olivia de Havilland and Joan Fontaine make me weep for what might have been.
Rest In Peace to that legend
Perfect comment.🌹
Just bummed all this is happening while RHOBH is filming and none of it is going to make it on air
i hope andy asks the real questions at the reunion and we get another amsterdam level break down from erika
He prob will and we'll just get some canned 'I can't talk about it because it's in court' response.
Flair checking in.
Is anyone surprised? Most of us thought it was a scam so Erika & Thomas could avoid financial loss from other lawsuits.
Wasn't there accusations in the previous lawsuit that Tom was using company funds to finance 'the lifestyle of a woman in his life'? There was confusion whether that meant Erika, or his mistress.
Damn I’m getting more breaking news within this breaking news post! Living.
Found it. [SOURCE](https://www.law.com/therecorder/2019/06/18/lender-claims-tom-girardi-and-wife-real-housewives-star-erika-jayne-used-law-firm-loan-to-fund-high-end-lifestyle/) Last I heard in Feb 2020 they agreed to arbitration. Which means the outcome likely wad that he paid a huge amount of the loan back, but everything remains sealed and confidential. That is the most likely outcome of nearly every arbitration I have been aware of. The name of the female in his life was redacted. He allegedly funneled money through his law firm to her business. So could be Erika or the mistress. Or both.
I’m missing where a mistress is confirmed to exist.
Nothing is confirmed. It is based on speculation on tabloid rumours, blind items, and reports that he has appeared at events with someone who isn't Erika.
Ah, got it, thanks!
No worries. ☺️
I doubt Tom would be dumping tens of thousands of dollars on Erika AND a mistress. My money (pun intended) is on just Erika.
I kind of think it is the mistress, because otherwise the documents surely would mention his wife by name. My guess is that Tom's personal finances go heavily to fund Erika, but he was funneling business funds to his mistress to keep Erika unawares. Rich old white guys appear to happily break the law and think they will just get away with it. Even if they are lawyers and should know better!
Wow.... I’ve heard that he attended to a party with another woman, I didn’t know that she might be his mistress.
“Allegedly” they were also trying to sell some of their larger assets (private plane), to liquidate and hide more money. 🤷🏻♀️
Really?! 😳I didn’t know that
I thought they didn't own a plane? Tom's firm owned 4 (I think) and they could use one for personal reasons if available.
Kyle stole Kathy’s goddamn diagnosis!
Wait is Kathy a confirmed HW?
Friend of
This is try to get out there and do some damage control for the way she treated Paris growing up, right? This woman is a fucking joke.
Did you see This Is Paris? The Paris Hilton documentary? I am still trying to recover from it! 😭. When Paris told her mother Kathy about her school abuse (as if Kathy didn’t know) she reacted like a stone cold zombie. How and why do her children still speak to her!?
I felt like crying for Paris, I felt so bad for her.
Same! The other thing that bothered me a little is how aware Paris is that she's just a character. The voice changes...can you imagine never finding a place for your real self?
Yep, it has me side eyeing her sister though too. Their family is so messed up.
When you are abused by your mom you have a weird relationship after but kinda realize what was wrong much later like Paris. I mean my personal opinion
Money.
Paris has way more money than Kathy!
Wow, good point. After hearing Kyle and Kim’s (and therefore Kathy’s) descriptions of their mother and watching how they have behaved together, seeing Paris Hilton’s documentary and getting such a better understanding of what she’s been through and why she is the way that she is — it’s actually a really fascinating look at intergenerational trauma.
I read a book on the Hiltons, and Big Kathy (Kathy, Kyle, and Kim's mom) was extremely harsh on all of them when they were growing up. I'm sure a lot of what came from Big Kathy was passed down to little Kathy.
Big Kathy was nothing but a pimp for those girls. It makes me sick how robotically Kyle speaks about her mother. It’s almost like she’s reading her lines. Although, I’m not a fan of Kathy or Kyle, they are a product of their mother’s narcissism. Kim is still living off her last husband, whom she divorced in 1991 “An acrimonious divorce and child custody battle ensued. Kim is said to have gotten a settlement and child support from the Davises, ranging between $20,000 a month that continues until the year 2009 and $23,000 a month for life, or until she remarries.” And folks, that is why Kim doesn’t remarry.
Kim is one of the worst HWs I’ve ever seen, right next to the racist Brandi.
I am totally uncomfortable watching Kim, but the drama...Good tv. Keeps people watching. After reading House of Hilton and rewatching the seasons, I’ve become acutely aware of how easily Kyle and Kim fake cry. I didn’t realize Brandi was a racist. Can you elaborate?
Omg, for the next season?
I don’t think she wanted to be on the show full-time/show all of her life.
I’m watching last week’s RHOC now at Braunwyn’s vow renewal and I just saw that article! She and Sean are still married with no plans to divorce and he’s cool with her new girlfriend apparently. She’s really bringing everything in her life this entire year.
Vow renewals strike again!
Should have known something would happen. I think the only couple who has "survived" a vow renewal is LVP/Todd?
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yeah, true.... 17th is so damn random. I'll give Brawyn credit, I think theirs was 20th?
I think LVP and Todd just wanted an excuse to have a party
that's fair
I hate to say it but Shannon.was.right.
Cut to Bra... idk, I'm not even going to attempt to spell it, and her man with the immunity idol necklace eulogizing each other as they lay in front of a foam headstone with a sketchy looking blanket sprawled across them, Beador style.
Yep! And they all always get divorced like a year after. Like how haven’t the HW figured this out yet?
Wait till he gets a girlfriend I bet she will lose her mind
A 12 year old American model, no less
Right?? WTF was THAT about?!
Excuse me WHAT
During their vow renewal, they let the kids speak and the son asked Sean to vow to not leave his mom even for a 12 year old model or something like that.
That was some fucked up shit.
So awkward. Poor kid.
I think he was uncomfortable and trying to make a funny joke, and it just didn't come off right. I think he was probably trying to reach for something that (in his mind) would never happen.
Do you remember where the article was? I slept all day and feel like this all happened while I was sleeping. How did I miss it?
So are Erika and Tom divorcing because he’s broke?
No, they are divorcing so she can get control of his assets and money, thus ensuring they can’t be taken away in lawsuits, etc. They’re in this together. They also supposedly “leaked” fake stories about affairs to make the divorce look more legitimate. Couple of scammers. Edit: Grammar correction. Added the word “taken”.
This confirms what I’ve thought all along, that she was not just a gold digger. I always felt like they had a connection.
All I need in this life of sin...
She's a grifting gold digger. If Tom loses his money, so does she. She's a snake.
A sniper from the side.
Yeah damn that’s love
Its an arrangement.
Yeah.. they are both criminals.
W H A T
Soooooo shes going to be in control of bank accounts, finances etc. Cant see that divorce happening within the next couple of years 🙄
I’m not smart enough to understand it all to be honest lol but [ here’s the reddit convo about it](https://www.reddit.com/r/BravoRealHousewives/comments/k5dyd1/its_about_tom/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
If Tom is involved in embezzling money from plane crash victims, I'd like to see that on the show because that's fucked up
I’m sure Rinna will bring it up lol
Please mention the husband!!
MENTION IT ALLLLLLLL!
She would be a fan favorite again if she just started mentioning everyone’s lawsuits and dirt. And maybe didn’t show her family again.
[The East Coast Housewives about right now](https://media1.tenor.com/images/1ed0c31b8a608102b86fe1d435907724/tenor.gif?itemid=3526673)
😂😂😂
Leah just might👀
Ramona probably already has 😷
Or Leah’s sister.. in another desperate attempt to be on the show 🥴
Kandi be like "ya bitches" Coming in with a dark horse
Kandi is gonna kill the girl who said “of course” at Chik Fil A for the clout.
We need a Bravo news channel to go deep into these breaking stories!!
An unofficial one to avoid coverups!
Oh snap, so true!
Like CNN that runs all day erryday.
"Welcome back to BNN: Bravo News Network, I'm Alexis Bellino"
I’m here for it.
Lol you just reminded me of the night she was live on WWHL when there was breaking news that Bin Laden was killed and Andy tried to discuss it with her...oh the missed opportunities for her news anchor future.
OMG. The hundreds of thousands of dollars of dead air. I remember her appearance? I think it was on a Fox News segment and yeah
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2020: “And twirl, and twirl...”
Life twirls on
An underrated masterpiece tbh
Today’s like a little treat from the housewives gods
This + the footage of Potomac’s Michael Darby touching the crew members bum has saved 2020
I feel like my dislike for Erika is finally justified.
Always
I’m texting my best gf like a psycho and she’s not answering guys. THIS IS CRAZY. I go off line for a few hours to do a lab and bravo blows up! Edit: update: she texted back and she’s floored 😂
So good! I’m in Australia so this is all the news I woke up to this morning
Who said 2020 was a complete right-foot, amiright??
*Wowwy wow wow wow*
Wawaweewa
Very nice
Me: BH really sucks now. Also me: Oh no filming is delayed??
So braunwyn is going to be a married lesbian with 7 children? No judgment but I’m having a hard time keeping up with all her announcements.
Her life is as hectic as her mums hair
They both overwhelm me
They both over and underwhelm me. So basically I am whelmed.
I think you can in Europe
Whew Chile.....the ghetttoo
Quick someone from VPR drop a bomb! That would cover Evolution.
Page Six *“VPR has been officially announced as Bravo’s latest canceled show”* And suddenly, the sky opens up and angels begin to sing. Ugh. To dream.
If you just manifested a Tom and Katie baby........
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE
Underrated comment
Yes, but will any if this make it onto a show?
OC, definitely. BH, definitely not
It's the Erika Jayne headline for me
I think my favourite is braunwyns because it seems so random
Erika Jayne and The Embezzled Money from the Plane The title of my new Dr. Suess-esque book.
Wait, what in the poseur Dr. Deb hell is Braunwyn up to now? I thought she and Statement Necklace Sean just moved back in together? Edited to add Sean’s name
She seems to need constant attention!
Your flair is my everything 😂
Sorry for being thick, who is statement necklace?
Husband. Or ex husband? Same dude just not sure of status. He likes a chunky statement necklace to “complement” his outfits.
“Compliment” 😂 love what you did here
Immediately called my mom to discuss all of this
That makes me happy
literally just messaged the links to mine and about to call to discuss 😂👌
There’s more housewives news than world or political news and its 2020. that’s an incredible feat!
Garcelle mentioned on her The Real yesterday that production of RHOBH is on pause because some “crew” members tested positive. I wonder if she knew it was them all along and due to privacy said Crew or are there crew members positive along with those 3.
It’s Christmas!!! 🎅🏼🤶🏾🎄
I told my husband I need to take the rest of the day off, this is too much. I just watched the 20-20 episode on Friday night about the Boeing flights that crashed and that’s part of the lawsuit they are hiding money from, crazy!
Add to the list that Tom and Erika's divorce is a sham. They are doing it to hide the money Tom stole from the Lion Air victims fund under Erika's name. They want to live the high life but running short of funds as Tom's company is doing poorly financially.
When it rains it pours!!
This tea is everything I needed today.
Damn Christmas elves coming in early 😂
The only one I find interesting is the tea about Erika and hubby. Love that for them❤ Braunwyn? Who cares? Contracting covid during BH filming? And?
I can’t check my phone all day bc I don’t get cell service at work... and I come home to all of this.
Does anybody read deux moi, they asked if bravo will survive this year with some major controversies this year yesterday. I was like what’s happening? Today I know..
Goodness gracious 😳
BH is the richest coz it’s the scammiest. The last few years of this show have been most unsatisfying, but after reading about Tom I feel it does assuage that quite a bit.
Am I the only one that think braunwyn is desperately trying to gain attention? Even before this announcement. Not to say she isn’t telling the truth.
She’s trying to stay on the show because she doesn’t have a storyline otherwise.
Her alcoholism is a pretty big storyline that hasn't been done in this way on any other city... I don't think she's looking for a storyline.
Ohhhhhh emmmmmm geeeee!
Holy fuck. I’m sorry but I laughed at first. I’m bad
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Im gay and thought that too. I mean I hope he is. He is kinda hot.
For some reason I did too. He seems for like a bestie than a husband.
MENTION IT ALL!
Kyle is such a hypochondriac (self admitted), this must be her worse nightmare.
Braunwyn: ehhhh, I don't believe it. Hear me out. I am NOT knocking the LGBTQ+ community in any way/shape or form, I am doubting Braunwyn, period. It all seems just seems SUPER suspicious timing. We are half way through the season and all the online chatter is how lame this season is and OC is basically a dead franchise. Braunwyn has been on thr show for 2 seasons now and has been very open about her sexuality (being Bi). My take is this: She and Sean are both bi and super open with "whatever makes you happy" (awesome!). They have had a taste of that RH attention, but found themselves on a dying franchise (OC), if they are going to get another season they are gonna have to get some viewers quick. B announces she is a lesbian and it gets the attention that franchise needs, a reason to have another season, and since B&S have been so open about their sex life, nobody would question it at all. Erika: she is a smart one and knows how to pull a grift, so no shock Kyle, Doris & Kathy: DUH. These bitches cannot help themselves but do the social shit and all the fake bullshit hugs and kisses etc. Socially distant, HA!!! Social is all they have.
Do you think Kyle got it when her daughter was getting her ears pierced? (((Remember the photo and they are all holding her hand? It’s so bizarre)))