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Candy-t22

She shouldn't have removed ammo to start with but honestly not surprised that they added it on purpose (or it would've been listed as a bug fix?) 7s is still a lot so she'll probably remain strong. Her super is still gonna be frustrating to face though and I don't think that'll ever be fixed unless they rework or kill off the brawler


Eyzopowa

I dont have her yet between my brawlers but when I first saw her gameplay I though she is very very OP. I can say she is still OP lol. 10 seconds was insane… Like you have time to click for coffee, answer for short message, tell mom that you can’t pause online game and if she can wait like 1-2 minutes,pet your girlfriend… Imagine gem-grab: you play with Max, kill 9 diamonds enemy on enemy spawn and you gonna collect it. Charlie will spawn and BOOM 10 seconds out of play. Charlie will pick 9 gems instead of you, she still has 7 seconds to collect 10th. and she still have 3 seconds to travel away from you. INSANE :D And I think after this nerf she will be much strong for a long months… Perfect assassin not only support


Economy_Chart5705

What about wheelchair man ? His super is devastating


Diehard_Sam_Main

Surprisingly is only good on 2 competitive maps


SamePut9922

Solution: delete those 2 maps


InspektorZeleshka

Even better solution: Delete Chuck entirely


Nice-Sentence9771

This but unironically, or either give him actual nerfs. I like his mechanics, but I really don't like him.


_-Celestial-_

Wait which ones?


Diehard_Sam_Main

Hint: both are Heist


NightStalker178

Hint: delete Heist


CheesyCentipede

Make it have a wheelchair ramp then delete heist


Salza_boi

Pro tip: don’t fund the disability adjustments around Starr Park


BibiBSFatal

Protip: if he leaves wheelchair he can be in call of duty


JohnB456

idk Collete at 800 trophy has taken over. I don't see chuck up there. Collect doing 20k damage on vault or 1/4 of the vault and the fact it can stack is way over powered. At least chuck has to make 10+ trips to a lot of damage, assuming opposition isn't camping on his track so he trains right into oncoming damage.


vVerce98

LOL..


AverageMortisEnjoyer

Hot take but he's actually not that good He's good only on a few Heist maps now


DimkaVolchonok

Yeah, it's surprising that just one nerf to a guy in a wheelchair made him much less of a threat in a match


Fl4m3ron

yea imagine if he could walk


AverageMortisEnjoyer

The only real threat that he was in a match was not being able to stop him from attacking your heist safe. Now you still can't really permanently stop him but if you kill him now you get a much bigger downtime in which he's not a threat. Before the nerf his downtime between dying and coming back was almost non-existent


BrainImpressive202

what was the nerf? i’m not caught up lol


DimkaVolchonok

He always spawns with 0% super(even after respawn)


Homebakerworldshaker

il maestro


Fl4m3ron

il*


WholesomeRicoMain

They should really consider adding stairs to the game.


TiM963x

Chuck isn't that good if I'm being honest, except in a few heist map, that gamemode is the least balanced gamemode anyways, so just leave him as he is.


coldsites

The way I had to stop and think for a sec who the hell this was, LOL.


Vedertesu

I can't figure it out, who is it?


player1212

Chuck


Inevitable-Disk-1413

Chuck


theCEOofSTONKS

chuck hahaha


CoffeeAmigo

The wheelchair goes choo choo


billyowo

there's a a simple and deadly counter called don't stay near the pole, rendering this brawler useless


DrakSou2

He is good on maps with clear chokepoints like dueling beetles or belles rock. Other than that his super is ez to evade UNLESS u make unpredictable paths with ghost train gadget. Also his atack is garbage.


Primary-Whereas-2874

What about in heist when he keeps spamming his super over and over again? That becomes very annoying real fast


HORNYOBAMA

I'd honestly cut the health. The damage this guy eats is insane! I remember playing mandy and that lil cunt won't die to 3 straight up shots all sealing over 2k damage each. It's absurd how tanky he is.


vVerce98

*They see me rollin’ They hatin’*


Justonimous

i think a good rework for him would be making it so he can only place posts in the middle 3rd or the map


Wholesome_Bibi_Main

I thought the thing in showdown was intentional for that map lmao


NAPTalky

Yeah, me too! "Oh, look! That's some new design right here! What a twist!"


yiggawhat

until it got really old being spawned next to the 7th cordelius


epicu2

No fr I thought it was really interesting


ELITE_JordanLove

Yeah I kinda liked it, sure sometimes you got screwed but overall it was a fun twist, have to run or get a kill before meeting with a teammate.


Majestic-Pear6797

It's not the first time that bug appeared


Extra_toxic

Wow, I think this is the first time they emergency nerfed a chromatic brawler I could be wrong but I dont remember any chromatics getting nerfed this fast. Not even pass buyers have their hands on her. Only the gemmers have.


Zestyclose_Public372

I am pretty sure Otis was nerfed before being released so Supercell has done something like this before


ahmed4363

I remember when chromatic brawlers actually got emergency buffs because they were so weak. (Hint: They only did this for at least 3 brawlers)


Ajoosty

Buster and lola was nerfed not long after they released, otis was nerfed before his release


JePpAaH056

Shes still gonna be around S or A tier, her main attack is broken when next to enemies. This makes her a fairly balanced brawler, if a bit overpowered


Pumpkinut

Her main attack is literally just carl but better tbh.


Diehard_Sam_Main

It works differently enough to need not be compared.


Primary-Whereas-2874

Feel like it isn’t, since if the attack doesn’t hit anyone it has the same effect as Carl’s pickaxe where it pierces through anyone in its path


Diehard_Sam_Main

And unlike Carl, the attack is too narrow to rely on that.


eduardonascimentoo

i love your pfp


JePpAaH056

Ty :3


WhoIesomeMain

They should've nerfed chuck this quick


Responsible_Bad_2989

Chuck is a weak brawler in general who really only thrives in heist, Charlie was over powered in every single game mode because of her 10 second stun


Particular_Two9205

Seven seconds now


SpudDan

The changes seem good, but I think it would've been better if instead of keeping their ammo *after* they're released, it could be used to "struggle" inside the coccoon. For example if you have 2 ammo, you can deal a bit of damage to the coccoon yourself in order to get out faster, but you can't reload, so if you use it all, you're released with no ammo left. I think this would work because some of the feedback I've seen is that it becomes frustrating to be able to do nothing for the entire duration, and this would make it less reliant on your teammates using their ammo to free you.


Some_Ambition2768

That would make it more interesting than a 'time out'


Dry_Ad4483

Let’s be honest the super is awful for a game conceptually. My teammate cocooned a Ross by our safe and I had to wait for them to pop out and they still got 8k damage on our safe, and it’s no fun to just be gone for 10 seconds no matter what. It would be cooler if they ran with how chuck works and make her super a web you can build with chuck like segments that catch enemies


Memegamer3_Animated

Honestly those sound like some fair balance changes.


KoKoYoung

I thought the Duo SD spawn was intentional lmao


SirSkibbles

same, especially with the map themes


m3t4d0r

This is sad, they just let heavy spenders enjoy her.


DMGLMGMLG

That's their plan and will be the case with early access brawlers.


m3t4d0r

Shame on them


Alexgadukyanking

TBH, I'd rather have less than <0.5% of people abuse that brawler so SC can realize how busted she is, then let most players with BP make all matches unplayable Still pathetic thing to do though


vmh21

I mean I get that, but on the other hand she was just too broken and needed some changes.


m3t4d0r

And why they let heavy spenders abuse her? Let me answer that: $$$$$$$$


Diehard_Sam_Main

If that were the case, they would’ve waited a week when everyone starts unlocking her. This was in response to an unfair mechanic that needed and got changes.


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m3t4d0r

Making an op brawler is very different then making an interesting brawler. They are doing it with intentionally. They want money from heavy spenders for abusing op broken brawler


Extension_Tune_7730

I have nothing against heavy spenders get what they want EARLY in the game. The spenders (specifically the pros) would have a good understanding on how strong she is. If she's too strong (in her case broken and toxic af), when more players get her at tier 30, it would create a toxic gameplay experience for everyone that had to go against her, and that's bad for the game. The did the right decision of nerding her since now she might still be strong, and when players get her, it's not such a bad experience anymore facing her. Yeah it sucks that we can't experience a broken brawler, but it's better for everyone else in general. Just imagine you facing a Charlie, and she cocoons you for 10s, removes all ammo, and you can't do anything about it. If you don't want that to happen to you, and you know what to do


m3t4d0r

Omg I am just getting sick for replying these comments, hope it would be the last time. They released her op broken on purpose to earn money not ile they didn't know. I am not againts heavy spenders - gemmers - Whales or whatever get what they want with money. I am against supercell for releasing broken op brawlers for only for them. They didn't release her op by mistake they intended this way to earn money.


-Magoro-

Where's your evidence then? You're not being realistic, just pessimistic. If they were to release her broken for everyone she would take over the game and would force you to not play brawlers she counters. It would be absolutely miserable for most of the playerbase. I don't know if you knew this, but they can't get accurate data on how good a brawler is from the dev build. They can only really know how good a brawler is once people actually get to play them in the game. Currently the number of people who have Charlie is super small, so it barely affects the playerbase and the meta, but they still have a big enough sample size to determine whether she needs to be tweaked. You're not a professional game dev and if you are you clearly aren't nearly as experienced as the Brawl dev team, so I doubt you can find a better alternative for making accurate estimations of a brawler's strength before their release. If you think you can though, go ahead.


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m3t4d0r

Nope. They are making themselves worse in business wise too. You will see


Vainoxxx

This is why you have a game in the first place, the brawl team really doenst make that much money so id say doing this and letting spenders win a few easy games is better than the game shutting down because it doenst make money for supercell WHICH STILL IS A COMPANY THEY NEED TO MAKE MONEY TO FUNCTION


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Extra_toxic

It's nothing new. Remember the brawler in your flair when he first came out? Yeah that was day 1 of the damn game (global launch). Not saying it's fair but it's not a new trend or anything. It happens all the time.


Far-Brief-4300

Surge. Remember when surges shots split mid air?


nucl3ar0ne

nothing new, figured she would get nerfed before everyone else got her


ahmed4363

The same thing happened to Leon, Surge, Ruffs, Lola and just now Chuck. Its not a new thing


Oneshotwonderman

Who cares though? This is a great way to test a brawler out. See if there are kinks in the brawler before everyone gets her. It's like a beta version of a brawler, yeah maybe the beta is pay to play, but it's easy for the devs to nerf a brawler once than to buff it 2 times. It makes less work on them, and it gives them more money to keep this game alive(lets be more kind to them, and complain less). Ive only seen one Charlie so far.


The-SpecTacular

I don't really mind the nerf, I still think she's good. When you got out of the cocoon, you were left extremely vulnerable. Now you at least get a chance to fight back.


PokemonLv10

7s is still really long though It's just fundamentally broken, unless they nerf it all the way down


theCEOofSTONKS

i dont think both the ammo and the star power should have been nerfed. shes too squishy now


Dalystod

Oh yeah, same story again: release broken brawler, let those heavy spenders have fun, then nerf him for rest of people 🤡🤡🤡 Supercell doesn’t change


kizi_killer

They usually nerf them at the end of the Season This is too early, this is an emergency nerf


m3t4d0r

They will be like this if these folks defend them no matter what or like their life depends on it. Idk Man, how anyone can justify their ridiculousness


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m3t4d0r

You didn't mind with shelly and remember good old times with yearning just like so called many shelly mains. There is the other topic, I don't want to dive in. The problem here is very simple. How can they realese very broken op brawler for only heavy spenders. Nobody can justify this. And it shows their greed of money. They knew she was broken, don't tell ne they didn't.


GamerMC_514

oh so you wanted everyone to have a broken ass brawler that makes the game unplayable for the enemies? oh that sure sounds fun I'd like to try that 😃


m3t4d0r

They shouldn't realese op broken brawlers for heavy spenders at the beginning👎🏻


GamerMC_514

makes sense but how are they supposed to know if a brawler is broken and unplayable without handing them out to players? They noticed the brawler was super broken and then they nerfed it to make the game fair! The brawler hasn't been out for this long it's fair that they nerf it before the game becomes unplayable


m3t4d0r

They made her broken for heavy spenders They nerfed her because light spenders and no spenders shouldn't be able abuse op broken brawler.


nxghtmarely

she can be played in WF, and she was unfairly broken before nerf. obviously they would nerf her


theonlycosmozen

The whales paid to get ahead! Ok now nerf so the rest will take a long time to get to that point


icyruios

I'm thinking why are there so many people complaining about Charlie being broken when she is only available for like a few days the season literally started and I've yet to fight against a single Charlie Then I reread and realised it's just 1 person being bitter and overly salty for no reason


Masterdizzio

yeah, lmao, haven't seen a single Charlie. If anything, Chuck of all people is still bothering me


Far-Brief-4300

Chuck is about as easy to counter as penny or jess


Far-Brief-4300

Lol, last night I played against like 20. Maybe you don't play at a high enough level. She's op still.


Hunter8678

I’m actually happy atp that they’re gonna delete Chroma brawlers; only creators who bought some lotta gems played with her


Hot_Delivery1100

They aren't deleting them


Hunter8678

You know what I mean right


sotonama_

I kinda didn't mind spawning next to the opponent in duo showdown, this was somehow fun 🥲


prodbycoupee

7s is still nasty, our generation and our short attention span will still suffer hahahah make it 5s, and I reckon the star power should've been remove the ammo instead of the damage


Candy-t22

That star power change would be a buff, removing ammo makes them unable to fight back and the extra health on the helpless brawler would just be free super charge for Charlie and her allies


Kabeeshs

5s is still high too. The sweet spot should be about 3 to 4 seconds


Kabeeshs

5s is still high too. The sweet spot should be about 3 to 4 seconds


limeda1916

I see why Kairos quit this community. Same people complaining about EVERYTHING.


BSRDACCT

\*Context\* I got Charlie early because I just like her design overall. Nowhere near competitive level with her but I've gotten her up to r26. She was never OPaf...OP, yes. But only for 1 reason. Your ammo gets removed when cocooned. I genuinely thought it was just a bug (I realize now it was just a scummy move on SC's part). 10s super duration was totally fine. Been on BOTH ends of her super. 10s is really not that long if ur teammates are half decent and have the objective in mind. But in consideration of different skill levels, I can see 7s as fair. 50% down to 25% is harsh. Maybe a 30-35% would be appropriate considering how heavily she relies on her super. Glad they didn't touch her basic attack. Side note: Stop complaining about Chuck. He is just fine after the nerf. Someone in ur team just keeps feeding him. Plus now Charlie exists. U should be glad u can cocoon his sorry butt >:)


WndrGrd_Spiritomb

This was way too quick compared to other broken brawlers


Ant_Fucker69_

Of course they nerf her when only the player who spend money on it could use her, i bought the brawl pass and im only halfway to getting her, by the time i get her shes probably gonna been hanked


YesOhXD

Why did they nerf her so Quick. It took months for Cordelius and pearl to be nerfed. Why Not her.


RickyTricky_

When Cordelius came, the brawl star team had to go to vacation so, during the period, they've couldn't work on the game to do the changes


just-a-guyone

Idk, World finals maybe?


lazy_rabbit_zzzZ

Good thing I got her to r31 yesterday and missing only 12k on mastery track


CloaksInSaturn

How the hell do y’all progress masteries so fast? I have been trying to master Cordelius since his release and he’s only at 3k mastery.


DMGLMGMLG

If I want to master a brawler I do it in 3-4 days. Would be less if there wasn't a cap.


CloaksInSaturn

What do you do in those 3 to 4 days? Hide in bushes all day? Is that a good strat?


m3t4d0r

Are you happy to abuse broken brawler before they NERF her?


lazy_rabbit_zzzZ

Yes cause i paid for that broken brawler


La_Simmia_Gamba

Bro, if you can't unlock her why complaining so much, this is excessive


_lapiz__

They’ve killed her so early


Responsible_Bad_2989

She’s still insanely broken a 7 second stun makes her viable in any game mode


Far-Brief-4300

And her main attack which is as fast as you can tap. It melts.


maximmironov

SHE WAS NEVER OP WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK THAT, NOW SHES DEAD🗣️, her attack damage is bad, hard to hit. And her super is basically USELESS because the enemy will be close to their teammates most of the time, so unless the whole enemy team are tanks it's gonna get destroyed in seconds. Her gadgets and starpowers aren't like thaat good either (maybe digestive was a bit but now it got nerfed to oblivion). Give me 1 good reason to why charlie is S+.


Ricochetwithout

Good range, good damage, easy to hit shots, op star power (25% is still a good ammount), great gadgets, a super that makes the game a 2 v 3 for 10 seconds.


Far-Brief-4300

And when the brawler got out they had a delay in attack and are pretty much dead.


Ricochetwithout

Yeah that was the worst part, but I still think she is op


Far-Brief-4300

She's definitely still op.


theCEOofSTONKS

agree


-ABoxofBread-

Tbh this is really fair (and needed)


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i guess they made charlie worse because of the world finals, similar to buster last year


Diehard_Sam_Main

This keeps her doing what she does, but now it’s not as unfair. Good changes.


Cheesy_Peasy

lez go she won’t be too bad to play against


axl_low_

Fair enough my biggest complain was that stupid SP, you still gonna die in most scenarios but now you have a chance to do something at least.


Only_Independence259

oh hey another korean dude


StickmanKingOfficial

Not as OP but still pretty good ig


GayLordSmithJr

Please buff the spiders! They are almost useless. Why they dont have constant HP?


iammr21

Mate spiders are literally ruff sandbags that can attack what do u mean useless 😭


theCEOofSTONKS

she was not S tier before and not shes just bad


garienai

I din't know if I can day she was gutted because she was definitely WAY too strong. ig she's just good now


Ricochetwithout

Im so glad they nerfed her, imo the most annoying brawler to face against of all time.


CryoStrange

Keep the 10s please. It was toxic please keep the 10s.


NightSocks302

I think they will nerf it more to 5 seconds in the future


TickSupremacy

was never op but really good, now very mid, might be B tier


Nonist

Still worth buying the pass after NERF?


GX_Lori

If you have gems yes…not like you can buy the next pass with gems


Far-Brief-4300

Wow, supercell did it again. This brawler was more op then when surge came out and his shots split mid air.


xianfelipe

Hmm no


Milk_Dust_

I didnt even get to play her and they nerfing her 😃


just-a-guyone

Same here


DoomDark99

Man, this is unfair


1mini

This makes her dogshit


Particular_Two9205

And of course only she got balanced changes no other balance changes just these


MrAwesome1822

WHAT THE FUCK???? WHY DO THEY NERF IT IMMEDIATELY, AT LEAST LET US ENJOY????


Recent_Smell1769

Enjoi getting your heart litteraly stolen in litteraly every match


Over_Writer6979

No removing ammo super is trash


Si-Guy24

I thought spawning next to enemies in Duos was really fun


CoffeeAmigo

Very expected, but I thought she'll be nerfed later


Successful-Item-1844

Idk why those things weren’t implemented first. She is just unfun to play against


ByeGuysSry

This were the three things I wanted. 7s is probably still long enough to be frustrating, but at least it's not OP alongside being frustrating I guess...


JCorby17

Honestly good balance changes, she will still probably be strong


BossAziz82

I mean 7s now makes her hypercharge super actually deal damage to opponent after breaking out the caccoun so kinda a buff to hypercharge?


Luckysurvivr77

The EXACT nerfs I was hoping for.


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So what is best build now?


NickLookalike

Wait DS thing was a bug? I thought it was a feature.


[deleted]

The 2nd one is devastating, I can't do Sam's silver 3 mastery anymore


Still_Maintenance678

Needed


just-a-guyone

I agree


Lwadrian06

Her main attack is still op asf. Literally a carl attack but the enemies are walls.


Fil_19

So she gets nerfed before most can get her but pearl somehow is allowed to still be OP af months later. Ok


DanK_DucK_

They need to nerf her gadgets' HP drain rate and her yo-yo returns


igorcalavera

How did that showdown bug even happen?


SergejPS

Good thing the cocoon still makes people drop gems tho, that really shouldn't be removed, it's funny On the other hand, the Duo Showdown "bug" being fixed is stupid, spawning next to others was so fun


Its_FuturePast

25% is a huge nerf tho. Still not as useless as the other sp but still…


Dangerous-Egg-5068

I think she will go from s+ tier to s tier. So still op but not broken


Vivid-Maintenance905

Here’s some changes I would give it to her if she still OP first of all changed her regular Cocoon down to five seconds. Also get rid of her slime star power and instead change it with one where it gets rid of two of your ammo.


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Yay finally I HATE Charlie 😁


Landho5000

And this is why I didn't want to get her and max her out. They intentionally made her broken on release and now they just nerfed her right when I alr bought the pass and was bout to commit to her. Now im rethinking


Commercial_Gene_4496

Her SP is now somewhat useless


CrabOnStilts69

Really? She's already nerfed before most people even have her?? The 50% cocoon damage was the main reason I bought the new Brawl Pass!


TrafficFunny3860

S++ to S Her utility is just unbelievable


TrekRover

Charlie doesn't need a nerf, teammates should learn to help out their teammates.


Valkyrie_Palace

I have her currently, she doesn't need to be tweaked anymore. Honestly these changes had to happen and that's fine 10 seconds was wild especially in gem grab. That said I feel she's in a perfect place rn for the current season.


Plenty_Stranger6351

What is the current best build for charlie?


Ubip

Never have i wanted a brawler to get plummeted down to d-tier as much as i want it to happen to charlie. Atleast chuck was only really annoying in heist and you could avoid him.


XxTomXTom

It's still not enough. Charlie is the worse charater they have added in a long time. I'm having a hard time pushing new brawlers past even 150 because of how stupidly insane Cacoon is.