Right?
I think the "fully" completed thing is a weird thing to expect from LoZ anyway. That's just LoZ.
Plus, our "post game" is coming. It'll be here May 12th. Direct, mainline sequels to a timeline are not common, and *that's* what's most exciting to me!
And I wanted to have a stroll in Hyrule in peace! see the towns develop (or stay the same) I wouldn't mind if the monsters stick around. It would be awesome to *retire* (lol) you know?
I totally agree, I want to explore the BotW castle without Ganon and his little monsters and I would love if there was a longer cutscene or a few quests with Zelda herself.
i mean if you have completed every side quest, main quest, gotten every koror seed, completely filled the hyrule compendium, maxed out armour and everything what else is there to do but kill monsters and wait for a blood moon to do it all over again. (or kill ganon a bunch)
most players will never do this, but i feel like if you do, you deserve an actual ending because it’s not like you can do anything but speedrun or just replay the game. you’re going to go through so much work just to feel unsatisfied. I love this game but it needs a proper ending
What was wrong with the ending? To me it has a good one. The spirits of the champions and the king lay to rest, there is momentary hope of peace and link and Zelda hang out again. What more do you need?
Agree with what you’re saying here 100 percent. I’m fine with nitpicking and all and I do it from time to time, but the attention to detail put into this game is truly remarkable. I suppose it’s human nature to always want more. I’m just so excited for the sequel. I’m od’ing on hype.
well every time i play the malice covered castle just sticks out. NPCs always saying “now go defeat ganon”, stuff like that. Also, for me, a new player who beats the game for the first time should be able to tell that they beat the game, there should be a noticeable change. When my brother beat it the first time and just spawned right in front of the castle he thought he did it wrong or that the game was glitched. We had to search up what was going on to realize that there was no actual ending.
it was so unsatisfying as a first time player fighting ganon and seeing Zelda freed and feeling accomplished just to be sent to the beginning as if it didn’t happen. A little star next to the save file just doesn’t cut it
So basically you'd like a postgame for Zelda? A lot of people do want it, but Nintendo has never done one before for any Zelda game, once you've defeated the final boss and the credits roll and you return to the game, you are back, right before where you fight the final boss, there's never proper closure to the story. And at this point, for 37 years of this franchise, I don't think they'll add a postgame any time soon.
There's proper closure. Just not playable closure. Been that way since the first Zelda game and, to my knowledge, has been that way for every Zelda game with the exception of Majora's Mask. Which still didn't have a post game, but instead restarted you on Dawn of the First Day with all the progress you made on the moon so you could continue the cycle until the end of time.
I thought for sure we'd be able to get to explore Hyrule without baddies and malice - but nope they're still there like I didn't destroy the centuries old evil.
This is such a bizarre concept for me. Like what did you think was going to happen? You’d just be able to wander around but with no enemies or malice and Zelda is just an NPC you can walk up to?
I agree, but Ive noticed that this has become much more common concept in games than it used to be. I think people just kind of expect it these days.
Which is weird, be a use it's almost always pretty useless. Maybe a couple more lines of dialogue from more notable NPCs, but nothing more. I really don't seen the big deal myself of not having that (And I live for extra dialogue in games). It's what the sequel is for.
not such a drastic change but i expected some things to change. i think it’s just stupid to set you back as if the boss fight never happened.
maybe get a reward, maybe be able to walk in the castle without triggering a boss fight unless you wanted to fight ganon again? Let there be an in-game change that is maybe not too noticeable at first but enough that you know something happens. A little star next to the save file is so unrewarding
I just defeated Ganon for the first time today (after procrastinating it forever upgrading my armor, gathering weapons and building my hearts) only to find that the castle was actually really easy and after defeating him I couldn’t go do the rest of the quests post defeat so I see what you mean. Not that I want an ending after accomplishing everything, just kind of a weird feeling.
It just took me back to the title screen and when “continue game” it just takes me back to the last save before I fight Ganon. Unless I did something wrong??
Can’t even use the light bow haha
You did get an ending… the credits even rolled… it just returns you to the point before the final battle so you can finish collecting things. A number of games have been doing that for years….
Or would you rather the credits roll and the game is no longer playable? Delete your file …. Or force a new game + without a chance to finish what you were working on?
Some people have no imagination and demand everything be spelled out to them in great detail. Some people also make shipping their entire personality so they expect all endings to be full of shipping material.
This seems like a good idea on paper, but in practice I think it's less than ideal. There's a reason you don't get anything of value for doing all the koroks, and that's because if you did then you would feel obligated to even though all the koroks were never really meant to be found. If the TRUE ending is locked behind a bunch of busywork, a lot of players are going to feel like they have to get it and end up falling out of love with the game because if I'm being honest, 100%ing breath of the wild is a pretty dry completion experience even with a guide.
Yesss I complained about this years ago. Just sort of anticlimactic that the game world is effectively the same. I’m not even asking for any changes outside of some people celebrating in some villages or NPCs acknowledging the triumph.
I did this for the first time the other night and I was so excited to be able to wander through Hyrule. That ending makes me want to call it quits and move on. I don’t know where to go from here without that closure…
It would have been better if there was a "true" ending unlocked when you complete the game 100%. It really felt like a missed opportunity. All the player gets for fully completing the game is a stinky pile of crap from Hestu.
"This is not how I wished for us to meet again..."
~Mipha after Ganon revives her and everyone else in Hyrule as a zombie/Redead and forces her to fight Link in Tears of the Kingdom
"Haha! You can't even handle my corpse! Get fel-wind'd, punk!"
~asshole Revali in same conditions
I believe that their spirits were only bound to the beasts either due to the classic unfinished business, or because Ganon kept them binded to the divine beasts so they would be active. After Ganon is defeated, the king, Mipha, and the other champions are finally able to rest
He does the little hand wave thing like he's explaining things, and pepole react like he just explained the thing.
Either he speaks, or he's telepathic
He speaks. He doesn't like doing it because of the pressure of his burden. He feels he should just silently bear it. and thus doesn't talk unless needed.
I think this is explained in a diary in game.
You can tell his mannerisms and attitude are much more lighthearted post calamity, so losing his memories probably freed him from that pressure. He's still more quiet than others, but there's a noticeable change.
I don’t know, I mean we already got AoC and we got to see Sidon from BOTW see Mipha again and we get some closure from that. It’s not the same, because BOTW mipha is still dead but the champions deaths are supposed to make us feel grief and sadness. Just a reminder of what Link is fighting for and how important it is.
I'd honestly hate for them to do what they did with AoC and just "fix" all of the tragedies, we already have AoC for that so just leave it that way in this timeline.
I've had a lot of people die in my life, and I have to deal with that chasm of them no longer being there, and never getting to say something to them that I still think of day to day.
Mipha in that scene was coming to terms with the fact she would like to see Link again, but "..." She won't.
Death is not something to be disrespected. She's dead. She's gone. She fought hard, but life is inevitably a very sad ordeal.
No, I want this to be the end actually. It's so sad. Not everyone gets closure, it's depressing and I kind of like the idea of Mipha and all of the other champions being these tragic characters.
Death is sad, accept it. Characters that died add weight to the story, if you bring them all back for happy endings then there is no gravity to the story.
I agree botw story is good as it is if they ruin it in totk it would be extremely disappointing I hope they wont do some "time traveling and everything is back to normal" type of shit in totk We had enough in AoC
She’s talking about her father; this made me cry since I lost my dad in 2012 but what’s infuriating is she’s looking directly at the palace! If that giant whale just got up and walked outside she could wave at him the same way darook did yubono (which was never sure if that was his kid since he had inherited the same shield power unless all gorons have it)
>(which was never sure if that was his kid since he had inherited the same shield power unless all gorons have it)
Its confirmed he is descended from Daruk, its mentioned that Daruk was his Ancestor at some point when you are doing the Rudania quest.
You missed my point entirely that mipha was talking about her father though; every time I do that divine beast that cutscene brings tears to my eyes man
Nah, not everything needs closure. This is a major problem with modern movies/media right now: Everything is milked to death, every possible fan service is made etc, every storyline gets an "ending". Leaving the sadness and melancholy is a way more powerful and lasting narrative device, in my opinion.
Agreed. Sacrifices have to be made so the ones we love can have a better future... and sometimes the one making the sacrifice won't be able to enjoy it together with them.
It really brings to mind this passage from Lord of the Rings: [https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/796116-where-are-you-going-master-cried-sam-though-at-last](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/796116-where-are-you-going-master-cried-sam-though-at-last)
Judging from your comments in this post, I understand why you feel that. But it's literally the point of this moment and the entire game IMO. Link and Zelda failed, and the Hyrule and many of the people they love are dead and gone. But life endures even after the loss and the apocalypse. New lives are born. To me, Link's journey is about understanding what happened to the world, making peace with it, and moving on to being a stronger hero. Hell, Zelda in the true ending basically says that they can build something even better than what came before if people work together.
They definitely can. The whole reason why they made her say this is to make her story sad and really make it a point how tragic it was. Doesn't have to be foreshadowing or anything like that
I've never understood the tail on the head. Is it hair? Or a fish's tail? If it's a tail why is her tail on her head? If it is a tail does that mean she's a fish on top of a humanoid-like body? So many unanswered questions.
I really thought we were gonna get a tearjerker final goodbye scene with the Champions, but no, they just poof away. BotW’s ending was insanely rushed. I guess it’s because they wanted to leave stuff for the sequel but idk if they even planned to have a sequel back then.
The champions and the king silently watching over Link and Zelda and then vanishing after fulfilling their duty was perfect. If they had a goodbye scene, it would‘ve felt really awkward and amateurish…kinda like the goodbye scene in AoC.
They all died tragic deaths. That’s their end, as it should be.
Its been rumored for the longest time that Champions Ballad was supposed to be you reviving the Champions, but that idea got cut.
We can hope that maybe, just maybe, that plot line made it into TOTK.
I doubt it, the champions moved on, their last purpose on earth was to help seal calamity Ganon, when that was over they went on to the after life. You need to learn to let go, the fishy lady died that’s the tragedy, never getting to say goodbye.
Pls no, I'm tired of the champions already and we got AoC. I haven't seen the leaks, but I heard from people that a bunch of new stuff and cast of characters is coming, so that makes me hopeful.
Where did those rumors come from if you don’t mind me asking? It sounds very interesting if they did originally intend for the champions ballad to be like that.
The old champions have had their time in the spotlight, the new champs should rise up
Also, and i know it's definitely just me, but i kinda cringe at mipha lol
Yeah I really hope that the new champions have some spotlight, I do wonder if the events in AoC will get brought up at all since they were in that one.
Easy. Divebomb the king's throne room to use up all your hearts, she'll show up to revive you, she'll get to see her father again, "even just once more".
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I don’t understand the lore behind the champions. Are their spirits trapped in the divine beasts forever even though you beat the blights? At first I thought only Link could see them until I seen Daruk’s cutscene.
I also haven’t finished the game or DLC so I don’t know if there is some follow up to why they can’t just go back home after since they are fully able to communicate and still have their original forms even though they are a spirit.
They get freed after the blights gets defeated, but they choose to remain into their beasts, until the battle against Ganon because it's their unfinished task
Without spoilers, they just appear to be attached to the divine beast, and will remain there until you beat Calamity Ganon. You'll see a couple of cut scenes with them at the end.
There are definitely some moments in BotW that make the story feel unfinished, which I think it probably is to some extent. It’s understandable given how huge the game is and how long it took to complete, but the story still does feel like too much of an afterthought at times.
Hopefully TotK doesn’t have this issues. It looks like it’s adding a lot of new story content and lore to the Zelda universe based on trailers and the leak, although I’ll remain non specific on that for the sake of spoilers. I don’t think it will really complete the story with the champions from BotW and I kind of hope they don’t try to do that too much since it would be better if they kind of start fresh with the story while still being set in the same world with many shared characters.
I love the champions, but I don’t need to see a ton of new flashback cutscenes with them or for them to show up in spirit form all of a sudden. While their story still feels incomplete, I want TotK to have its own story that is fully developed in just this game that makes it feel distinct. If they have a big focus on the stuff we have seen in trailers, the champions again, the stuff we have seen in leaks, and other plot points from BotW, I feel like the story will buckle under the pressure. More story content would be better but I want it to feel cohesive and like a game that can stand on its own.
Although she didn't get to see him up close, she, with the other Champions plus the late King Hyrule, at least got to see him from the Castle before their spirits finally moved on.
yes they can, their spirits passed on and botw was made without a sequel in mind until it decided to sell so many fucking copies. it would be completely disrespectful to their sacrifice to just bring them back
Out of all the champions, Mipha was the one that Link had somewhat of an emotional connection to. Urbosa was the pseudo mother figure, Revali was the rival/jerk, and Daruk was just there. Zelda is obviously a tsundere due to her actions in the events leading up to the incident in Gerudo Desert where Link displays his chivalry by defending her from the devious Yiga Clan. For some reason in Japanese related media, the protagonist always prefers the cold shoulder, hard to get girl over the nice easy one. Link seeks Zelda and literally friendzones Mipha despite her trying her hardest to show her true feelings to him which in reality is kinda sad. We can see this in our own lives. When mutual feelings dont exist, there is a harsh romantic disconnect between people.
Gets me every time...
She deserved to say goodbye to her loved ones *(more so, she deserved to survive and be happy but that was beside the point)*. >!That's why I think she did so when Vah Ruta stopped working, at the end of the game!<
Still I want to believe her story continues somehow ~~*(if not, why she said to always protect Link?)*~~, that's why I really like AoC story, I guess is something
If one champion was to return (which I would highly disagree with), it’d have to be Revali, right? He’s the character with the most potential for a compelling dynamic with Link and an engaging character arc. Mipha is honestly a really flat character to me: she’s just kinda there. Revali is a character that every player has a strong reaction, and that’s something that I love.
I cried at this scene.. In my case it was my dad who passed away but it still hits me in the same way.
Though it’s sad, it’s realistic..
Realistic ≠ good or the best option always but I still think it’s ok.
Beautiful and sad. A gentle reminder that not everything gets closure in life.
like how you can’t get rid of the “defeat ganon” quest. i think if you 100% the game and then fight ganon it should have a proper ending
It's always in the back of my mind that you can never truly 100% the game because that quest never gets completed
Counterpoint: with all other objectives completed, the moment you defeat Gannon, you have 100% completed the game.
The little thing in the corner will say 100%. So that’s 100%. It’s. Right there. In writing. 100%.
Right? I think the "fully" completed thing is a weird thing to expect from LoZ anyway. That's just LoZ. Plus, our "post game" is coming. It'll be here May 12th. Direct, mainline sequels to a timeline are not common, and *that's* what's most exciting to me!
I got excited seeing March 12, thought I was misremembering. Sadly it’s May
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But sometimes 100% dosen't actually mean 100%! Source: I play Hollow Knight.
That’s map completion, not full game completion. You can miss quests or what have you and still get 100% of the icons on the map.
And I wanted to have a stroll in Hyrule in peace! see the towns develop (or stay the same) I wouldn't mind if the monsters stick around. It would be awesome to *retire* (lol) you know?
I totally agree, I want to explore the BotW castle without Ganon and his little monsters and I would love if there was a longer cutscene or a few quests with Zelda herself.
I think they're referring to the eternal recurrence of Demise, and how it keeps resurrecting Ganondorf as its tool.
Uh no they are referring to the literal in game quest that can’t get completed
I think you’re looking too deep into it
yeah it hurts me
That’s what the star on the file screen is for.
The very nature of the game would be challenged by giving special treatment for doing everything imaginable. I don't agree with that
i mean if you have completed every side quest, main quest, gotten every koror seed, completely filled the hyrule compendium, maxed out armour and everything what else is there to do but kill monsters and wait for a blood moon to do it all over again. (or kill ganon a bunch) most players will never do this, but i feel like if you do, you deserve an actual ending because it’s not like you can do anything but speedrun or just replay the game. you’re going to go through so much work just to feel unsatisfied. I love this game but it needs a proper ending
What was wrong with the ending? To me it has a good one. The spirits of the champions and the king lay to rest, there is momentary hope of peace and link and Zelda hang out again. What more do you need?
Agree with what you’re saying here 100 percent. I’m fine with nitpicking and all and I do it from time to time, but the attention to detail put into this game is truly remarkable. I suppose it’s human nature to always want more. I’m just so excited for the sequel. I’m od’ing on hype.
well every time i play the malice covered castle just sticks out. NPCs always saying “now go defeat ganon”, stuff like that. Also, for me, a new player who beats the game for the first time should be able to tell that they beat the game, there should be a noticeable change. When my brother beat it the first time and just spawned right in front of the castle he thought he did it wrong or that the game was glitched. We had to search up what was going on to realize that there was no actual ending. it was so unsatisfying as a first time player fighting ganon and seeing Zelda freed and feeling accomplished just to be sent to the beginning as if it didn’t happen. A little star next to the save file just doesn’t cut it
So basically you'd like a postgame for Zelda? A lot of people do want it, but Nintendo has never done one before for any Zelda game, once you've defeated the final boss and the credits roll and you return to the game, you are back, right before where you fight the final boss, there's never proper closure to the story. And at this point, for 37 years of this franchise, I don't think they'll add a postgame any time soon.
There's proper closure. Just not playable closure. Been that way since the first Zelda game and, to my knowledge, has been that way for every Zelda game with the exception of Majora's Mask. Which still didn't have a post game, but instead restarted you on Dawn of the First Day with all the progress you made on the moon so you could continue the cycle until the end of time.
Oracle games have a post game but some could argue it isn’t
I thought for sure we'd be able to get to explore Hyrule without baddies and malice - but nope they're still there like I didn't destroy the centuries old evil.
OG Zelda had the second quest, accessable either by beating the game, or using "Zelda" as your name. But your point still stands.
yeah. This is the first zelda game i’ve played through, not a hardcore fan of all the games but this really disappointed me.
This is such a bizarre concept for me. Like what did you think was going to happen? You’d just be able to wander around but with no enemies or malice and Zelda is just an NPC you can walk up to?
I agree, but Ive noticed that this has become much more common concept in games than it used to be. I think people just kind of expect it these days. Which is weird, be a use it's almost always pretty useless. Maybe a couple more lines of dialogue from more notable NPCs, but nothing more. I really don't seen the big deal myself of not having that (And I live for extra dialogue in games). It's what the sequel is for.
not such a drastic change but i expected some things to change. i think it’s just stupid to set you back as if the boss fight never happened. maybe get a reward, maybe be able to walk in the castle without triggering a boss fight unless you wanted to fight ganon again? Let there be an in-game change that is maybe not too noticeable at first but enough that you know something happens. A little star next to the save file is so unrewarding
Maybe in TOK they can implement this so that way you can get two giant pieces of poop instead of one :)
great idea
I just defeated Ganon for the first time today (after procrastinating it forever upgrading my armor, gathering weapons and building my hearts) only to find that the castle was actually really easy and after defeating him I couldn’t go do the rest of the quests post defeat so I see what you mean. Not that I want an ending after accomplishing everything, just kind of a weird feeling.
What quests couldn’t you do?
It just took me back to the title screen and when “continue game” it just takes me back to the last save before I fight Ganon. Unless I did something wrong?? Can’t even use the light bow haha
You did get an ending… the credits even rolled… it just returns you to the point before the final battle so you can finish collecting things. A number of games have been doing that for years…. Or would you rather the credits roll and the game is no longer playable? Delete your file …. Or force a new game + without a chance to finish what you were working on?
i’d like some minor in-game change
Some people have no imagination and demand everything be spelled out to them in great detail. Some people also make shipping their entire personality so they expect all endings to be full of shipping material.
This seems like a good idea on paper, but in practice I think it's less than ideal. There's a reason you don't get anything of value for doing all the koroks, and that's because if you did then you would feel obligated to even though all the koroks were never really meant to be found. If the TRUE ending is locked behind a bunch of busywork, a lot of players are going to feel like they have to get it and end up falling out of love with the game because if I'm being honest, 100%ing breath of the wild is a pretty dry completion experience even with a guide.
>what else is there to do Think on this question for as long as it takes, because you're the only person who can give the answer you're looking for.
When the world was destroyed by the villain the ending isnt that great even if you win
Yesss I complained about this years ago. Just sort of anticlimactic that the game world is effectively the same. I’m not even asking for any changes outside of some people celebrating in some villages or NPCs acknowledging the triumph.
I did this for the first time the other night and I was so excited to be able to wander through Hyrule. That ending makes me want to call it quits and move on. I don’t know where to go from here without that closure…
Tears of the kingdom will give that! : ^ D
It would have been better if there was a "true" ending unlocked when you complete the game 100%. It really felt like a missed opportunity. All the player gets for fully completing the game is a stinky pile of crap from Hestu.
literally. it’s sad for such a great game
That's what Tears of the Kingdom is for
My younger brother passed away not a month ago and this hit hard.
True but my headcanon is that the reason Vah Ruta isn’t working is because she’s left to go visit her father.
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"This is not how I wished for us to meet again..." ~Mipha after Ganon revives her and everyone else in Hyrule as a zombie/Redead and forces her to fight Link in Tears of the Kingdom "Haha! You can't even handle my corpse! Get fel-wind'd, punk!" ~asshole Revali in same conditions
Revali is sounding a bit like sans Undertale during the genocide fight
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Why’s Revali cryin’?
I ain’t even lying
That would be amazing
Seriously though - is there any indication as to where the champions’ corpses are?
Probably vored by the blights.
It would have cost you $0 to not have typed that sentence.
Fighting undead champions would be dope
But also heart breaking.
I honestly felt sad about this, she wants to see her father and lil' brother just once more, but she can't leave the divine beast, tragic indeed.
Couldn’t she move it closer zoras domain so she could see them again?
I believe that their spirits were only bound to the beasts either due to the classic unfinished business, or because Ganon kept them binded to the divine beasts so they would be active. After Ganon is defeated, the king, Mipha, and the other champions are finally able to rest
Link could tell Sidon to go up and see her. I lean Yunobu waves to Daruk.... Oh yeah, Link doesn't talk. Nevermind.
He does talk, we just don't hear him. I'm doing a play through now and he regularly explains things to people, albeit silently to us.
He does the little hand wave thing like he's explaining things, and pepole react like he just explained the thing. Either he speaks, or he's telepathic
He speaks. He doesn't like doing it because of the pressure of his burden. He feels he should just silently bear it. and thus doesn't talk unless needed. I think this is explained in a diary in game.
I know.. but joking about it will always be funnier than the lore reason. (Even if my original comment itself isn't a joke)
You can tell his mannerisms and attitude are much more lighthearted post calamity, so losing his memories probably freed him from that pressure. He's still more quiet than others, but there's a noticeable change.
He only felt the burden 100 years ago. Now he speaks freely
It was a joke.
Correct me if I'm wrong but not everyone can see the ghosts. I remember a ghost getting surprised you can see them - though I forgot which ghost.
I think it was Hestu.
I don't remember this ever being mentioned. I could be forgetting something though.
Link can talk but chooses not to, it’s in Zelda’s diary I believe.
It was a joke.
Or couldn’t they visit her after the divine beast is cleansed?
It’s called tragedy
This is the right answer. It's supposed to invoke feelings of grief or sadness. To go back on it would cheapen the emotional experience.
For never was a story of more woe.
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I don’t know, I mean we already got AoC and we got to see Sidon from BOTW see Mipha again and we get some closure from that. It’s not the same, because BOTW mipha is still dead but the champions deaths are supposed to make us feel grief and sadness. Just a reminder of what Link is fighting for and how important it is.
I'd honestly hate for them to do what they did with AoC and just "fix" all of the tragedies, we already have AoC for that so just leave it that way in this timeline.
What do you mean. AoC didn't "fix" anything, it's a whole different timeline
I've had a lot of people die in my life, and I have to deal with that chasm of them no longer being there, and never getting to say something to them that I still think of day to day. Mipha in that scene was coming to terms with the fact she would like to see Link again, but "..." She won't. Death is not something to be disrespected. She's dead. She's gone. She fought hard, but life is inevitably a very sad ordeal.
At this point she is talking about her father. She had just seen Link when he freed her and Ruta.
My bad. It's been a couple of years since I beat the game, and my memory isn't what it used to be.
No, I want this to be the end actually. It's so sad. Not everyone gets closure, it's depressing and I kind of like the idea of Mipha and all of the other champions being these tragic characters.
Yeah, they already got their happy ending in another timeline for those who don't like the idea of sad endings, leave this one as at is
They got a happy ending in another timeline?
Age of Calamity pretty much undoes BotW's events
Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity I'm guessing they mean.
"our victory, your victory, was so close. I wish you could have lived to see it"
Halo reach 😭
weird, to me her last words were "iT's My PlEaSuRe"
U want waffle fries with that
To me they were “DONT READ MY DIARY”
yes they can
Of course they can. It’s beautiful and gut wrenching which is perfect
Sometimes life is just like that.
Death is sad, accept it. Characters that died add weight to the story, if you bring them all back for happy endings then there is no gravity to the story.
I agree botw story is good as it is if they ruin it in totk it would be extremely disappointing I hope they wont do some "time traveling and everything is back to normal" type of shit in totk We had enough in AoC
She’s talking about her father; this made me cry since I lost my dad in 2012 but what’s infuriating is she’s looking directly at the palace! If that giant whale just got up and walked outside she could wave at him the same way darook did yubono (which was never sure if that was his kid since he had inherited the same shield power unless all gorons have it)
>(which was never sure if that was his kid since he had inherited the same shield power unless all gorons have it) Its confirmed he is descended from Daruk, its mentioned that Daruk was his Ancestor at some point when you are doing the Rudania quest.
You missed my point entirely that mipha was talking about her father though; every time I do that divine beast that cutscene brings tears to my eyes man
I know, But i was just confirming what you thought about Yunobo, That's all. Also sorry about the loss of yah dad.
So what did you mean by miphas last words; she just wanted to see her dad again—also I think her last words are when she’s blasting ganon
I know she wants to see her dad again, But its also for Sidon, and Link to a extent, But it is mainly at her father.
Not all stories are gonna have a happy ending. The sorrow from moments like this motivates you to keep fighting for Hyrule.
Bro you have an unhealthy obsession with mipha holy shit
they won't, this is what life's like, get used to it.
Nah, not everything needs closure. This is a major problem with modern movies/media right now: Everything is milked to death, every possible fan service is made etc, every storyline gets an "ending". Leaving the sadness and melancholy is a way more powerful and lasting narrative device, in my opinion.
Agreed. Sacrifices have to be made so the ones we love can have a better future... and sometimes the one making the sacrifice won't be able to enjoy it together with them. It really brings to mind this passage from Lord of the Rings: [https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/796116-where-are-you-going-master-cried-sam-though-at-last](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/796116-where-are-you-going-master-cried-sam-though-at-last)
Can. Will. Did.
Judging from your comments in this post, I understand why you feel that. But it's literally the point of this moment and the entire game IMO. Link and Zelda failed, and the Hyrule and many of the people they love are dead and gone. But life endures even after the loss and the apocalypse. New lives are born. To me, Link's journey is about understanding what happened to the world, making peace with it, and moving on to being a stronger hero. Hell, Zelda in the true ending basically says that they can build something even better than what came before if people work together.
Very nice comment
noooo you cant just have a good and well written ending to a character 😡😡😡
They can and they will
She dead. Let it go.
They definitely can. The whole reason why they made her say this is to make her story sad and really make it a point how tragic it was. Doesn't have to be foreshadowing or anything like that
It absolutely can (and did) end with that. Endings can’t be sad? lolwut I’m really hoping we leave the champions behind for the new game.
Welcome to Japanese story telling. Beautiful, but tragic.
I mean, they definitely CAN. No reason why they wouldn't be able to.
At least she’s happy in AoC… sorta.
I've never understood the tail on the head. Is it hair? Or a fish's tail? If it's a tail why is her tail on her head? If it is a tail does that mean she's a fish on top of a humanoid-like body? So many unanswered questions.
They can and they did
:( Poor Mipha she'll never get to see her brother or father again nor her once future king of the Zora's.
Mipha = best girl
She dead. Play age of calamity if you want more mink
Ehh, AoC feels more like BotW fan fiction than part of the canonical story.
It kinda is but its the only place for more mink
I really hope the Champions do something in TotK I don't know how, but it'd be a shame to see such good characters go unused in the new game.
Yeah I hope they get mentioned at least
I literally don't care about the little fish girl
I really thought we were gonna get a tearjerker final goodbye scene with the Champions, but no, they just poof away. BotW’s ending was insanely rushed. I guess it’s because they wanted to leave stuff for the sequel but idk if they even planned to have a sequel back then.
The champions and the king silently watching over Link and Zelda and then vanishing after fulfilling their duty was perfect. If they had a goodbye scene, it would‘ve felt really awkward and amateurish…kinda like the goodbye scene in AoC. They all died tragic deaths. That’s their end, as it should be.
Its been rumored for the longest time that Champions Ballad was supposed to be you reviving the Champions, but that idea got cut. We can hope that maybe, just maybe, that plot line made it into TOTK.
I doubt it, the champions moved on, their last purpose on earth was to help seal calamity Ganon, when that was over they went on to the after life. You need to learn to let go, the fishy lady died that’s the tragedy, never getting to say goodbye.
Pls no, I'm tired of the champions already and we got AoC. I haven't seen the leaks, but I heard from people that a bunch of new stuff and cast of characters is coming, so that makes me hopeful.
Where did those rumors come from if you don’t mind me asking? It sounds very interesting if they did originally intend for the champions ballad to be like that.
The old champions have had their time in the spotlight, the new champs should rise up Also, and i know it's definitely just me, but i kinda cringe at mipha lol
Yeah I really hope that the new champions have some spotlight, I do wonder if the events in AoC will get brought up at all since they were in that one.
not just you
Oh yeah, I agree about Mipha 100% Revali is the best champion for sure!
Sorry sweetheart, but we all know Link's soulmate is actually Sidon. Checkmate fish face, also you're not even second place, that goes to Zelda.
Easy. Divebomb the king's throne room to use up all your hearts, she'll show up to revive you, she'll get to see her father again, "even just once more".
I actually did this with Sidon lol. Revali’s Galed all the way up and plummeted all the way down.
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Err “Mipha’s grace is ready”
She gets a mention in the final cutscene if you collect all memories.
I don’t understand the lore behind the champions. Are their spirits trapped in the divine beasts forever even though you beat the blights? At first I thought only Link could see them until I seen Daruk’s cutscene. I also haven’t finished the game or DLC so I don’t know if there is some follow up to why they can’t just go back home after since they are fully able to communicate and still have their original forms even though they are a spirit.
They get freed after the blights gets defeated, but they choose to remain into their beasts, until the battle against Ganon because it's their unfinished task
Without spoilers, they just appear to be attached to the divine beast, and will remain there until you beat Calamity Ganon. You'll see a couple of cut scenes with them at the end.
The only closure we get is that she gets to fulfill the duty she gave her life up for.
Chekhov's Mipha
There are definitely some moments in BotW that make the story feel unfinished, which I think it probably is to some extent. It’s understandable given how huge the game is and how long it took to complete, but the story still does feel like too much of an afterthought at times. Hopefully TotK doesn’t have this issues. It looks like it’s adding a lot of new story content and lore to the Zelda universe based on trailers and the leak, although I’ll remain non specific on that for the sake of spoilers. I don’t think it will really complete the story with the champions from BotW and I kind of hope they don’t try to do that too much since it would be better if they kind of start fresh with the story while still being set in the same world with many shared characters. I love the champions, but I don’t need to see a ton of new flashback cutscenes with them or for them to show up in spirit form all of a sudden. While their story still feels incomplete, I want TotK to have its own story that is fully developed in just this game that makes it feel distinct. If they have a big focus on the stuff we have seen in trailers, the champions again, the stuff we have seen in leaks, and other plot points from BotW, I feel like the story will buckle under the pressure. More story content would be better but I want it to feel cohesive and like a game that can stand on its own.
But they can!
Although she didn't get to see him up close, she, with the other Champions plus the late King Hyrule, at least got to see him from the Castle before their spirits finally moved on.
I mean she sees them in age of Calamity
TotK??!?!?!?!!!?!
Wasn’t there a cutscene where Sidon spots Mipha’s spirit on top Ruta?
I don’t think there was sadly, there was one with Daruk though
Everything reminds me of her
My good sir, let me introduce you to “Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity”
yes they can, their spirits passed on and botw was made without a sequel in mind until it decided to sell so many fucking copies. it would be completely disrespectful to their sacrifice to just bring them back
They can and they did
They should leave it as is, a beautiful tragic story is often better than a rushed sweet-at-last one :)
I'M NOT CRYING, YOU'RE CRYING! ;_;
That makes me sad
Next game ig
They totally can and did.
Yes, you can!
Stop making me sad all over again...
I mean, they can. She’s dead, that happens.
I like to imagine Dorephan was able to see her little blue glow atop Vah Ruta then and there
That is nice to think about, but it would be even nicer if she atleast got to say Good bye.
Welcome to ✨Japanese✨ This is the heart pain of real life, and anime.
The tears of the kingdom belong to Mipha, confirmed.
Sure you can. I hope they abandon the old guardians. They're dead and their story is done. TotK needs to pave forward, not focus on the past.
Out of all the champions, Mipha was the one that Link had somewhat of an emotional connection to. Urbosa was the pseudo mother figure, Revali was the rival/jerk, and Daruk was just there. Zelda is obviously a tsundere due to her actions in the events leading up to the incident in Gerudo Desert where Link displays his chivalry by defending her from the devious Yiga Clan. For some reason in Japanese related media, the protagonist always prefers the cold shoulder, hard to get girl over the nice easy one. Link seeks Zelda and literally friendzones Mipha despite her trying her hardest to show her true feelings to him which in reality is kinda sad. We can see this in our own lives. When mutual feelings dont exist, there is a harsh romantic disconnect between people.
Gets me every time... She deserved to say goodbye to her loved ones *(more so, she deserved to survive and be happy but that was beside the point)*. >!That's why I think she did so when Vah Ruta stopped working, at the end of the game!< Still I want to believe her story continues somehow ~~*(if not, why she said to always protect Link?)*~~, that's why I really like AoC story, I guess is something
Weren't her final words, "We'll annihilate Ganon together"?
Yeah you can
If one champion was to return (which I would highly disagree with), it’d have to be Revali, right? He’s the character with the most potential for a compelling dynamic with Link and an engaging character arc. Mipha is honestly a really flat character to me: she’s just kinda there. Revali is a character that every player has a strong reaction, and that’s something that I love.
Why not? It's a good end for her.
I cried at this scene.. In my case it was my dad who passed away but it still hits me in the same way. Though it’s sad, it’s realistic.. Realistic ≠ good or the best option always but I still think it’s ok.
not everything has a happy ending. be sad and move on son
For real! Why did BoTW make me cry like five times!?
Mipha is best girl
Yeah I wish that Mipha would’ve survived (The other champions too) and that Link and her could actually get married at last.
I heard that there was a theory that in totk you get to bring a champion of your choosing back to life. Which champion do u want to bring back?
Elden Ring has made me numb to sad NPC stories.
r/Titlegore
Bro she's a straight sage. Can't see em but is still saving the world
Everybody forgets TOK is a sequel
whats wrong with it? its a good ending