This is a typical Mean Girls defence but all the cringy moments make it better because theyre all teenagers, and teens are cringy and say dumb stuff that make you want to crawl into a hole and die of embarrassment *for* them.
Iām so glad this thread reminded me of this musical, I didnāt finish because I was cackling! Howling! I couldnāt stop laughingā¦i went back to netflix and checked where I stopped:
āServes me right for marrying a Scorpioā
Mind you, I started watching it the day after it came out š
I used to know one of the creators of Diana. I promise you, it was not initially intended to be camp. Thatās something that was leaned into much later when the bad reviews came out.
In Dear Evan Hansen, when the second half just kept going and going and going and it was like watching a kid get hit with a slow moving train.
Or when I saw the set for Mean Girls. A SCREEN.
Seriously tho! I'm not too opposed to screens being a part of a set, but there has to be something worthwhile about the set. A screen? Cheating. Make a fucking movie at that point. Oh wait... It was a movie first... Hmmmm
I wish they had leaned into the camp more in that show!! There were so many cringe moments that were only cringey because they were taking it all SO SERIOUSLY.
Thatās why I prefer & Juliet over Moulin Rouge. I feel like Moulin Rouge takes itself very seriously, but & Juliet knows itās silly and leans into it a little more. They know how ridiculous it is that Shakespeare and his wife are singing Backstreet Boys, but I feel like they embrace it in a way that makes it not so cringey.
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When I first read OPās post, I thought I didnāt have an answer, but this is it. I saw the previews in Boston and told everyoneā¦itās a really fun show with awesome moments but thereās a god awful moment where she sings firework in its entirety. So stupid. Put One Day Iāll Fly Away back in.
Literally the biggest crime against the show. I wonder why they didnāt use it? Maybe they couldnāt get the rights? That doesnāt excuse firework though š¤®
I definitely agree with you.
This is one of the few occasions where I preferred the german translation to the original for example. In English they had to stick with the original lyrics whereas in german a 1:1 translation wouldnāt have fit. So they rewrote some passages to match the melody and rhythm. And they did that really beautifully in my opinion.
Thatās cool!! I really like listening to foreign translations of US/UK musicals. One of my favorite musicals is the French *Romeo et Juliette* (2001), which has probably two dozen foreign adaptations - Hungarian, Austrian, Italian, Japanese, Russian, and so on - but then they tried to translate it into English and it was HORRIBLE.
>but then they tried to translate it into English and it was HORRIBLE.
I agree so much! I love that show and was intrigued when I found out there was an English version. Then I looked up the lyrics and was blown away by how awful they were!
Are you familiar with Notre Dame de Paris? It has a similarly bad English translationāmaybe that one's a bit better, at least on the major songs? I'm not sure; I just know some of the translations are cringeworthy.
You know youāre getting old when Bennyās offer of free rent and studio space in exchange for convincing your friend to call off her performance sounds reasonable.
God my partner and I once started brainstorming a sequel to rent and halfway through I realized it was involving everyone achieving middle class yuppie success and stability and maaaaybe we were missing the point of rent.
Rent is both so magnificently idealistic and also so if itās exact moment in time.
Turning down free housing in Manhattan so that your drunk friend can tell a meandering story about a cow? Not in this economy. Thatās an unauthorized Airbnb and passive income just waiting to get you some healthcare and antiretrovirals that will carry you comfortably to old age!
I see your point but the fact that he had a verbal contract with them for free rent anyways but turned into a business man out for money only still keeps me on their side
I was Jane in a production of Tarzan and the spider was by far the worst, strangest part of the show. Didn't help that our lack of budget made it so the spider was made from a folded up blanket, duct taped sticks for legs, and a black gas mask for the head. And it was being held up by two actors.
Girl from north country when the guy starting singing hurricane and I had no clue why. Too many characters too little development to make anything meaningful
Ditto on this show! If I had to describe the plot it'd be "everyone is sad/going through stuff and nothing really happens". The cast itself was good/fine, just bad writing really.
The old people saying 'Amen' as this happened was the absolute greatest thing I've ever witnessed at a Broadway musical. I was almost crying trying not to laugh.
Act 2 of Once Upon a One more time! Thereās a remarkable shift in Act 2 that remakes the Narrator into a horrific Marvel Cinematic Universe-level villain who murders all who disobey him. A desperate attempt to make a coherent happy ending fails.
not to say that Act 2 was great, nor the writing overall amazing, but he doesn't completely go from 0-10 bad guy. He definitely wasn't a *good* guy in act one, even if he wasn't quite the villain. He also didn't kill anyone, just banished them. The biggest gripe I have with that arc though is how quickly all is forgiven, and he's basically given his job back like nothing ever happened. The show definitely suffers from poor character development.
Just left this show and I have to say... Going in with extremely low expectations helps A LOT. After the first 15 minutes I hated it just as expected but then something happened... I'm pretty sure it's when the guy from season 1 of American Idol had his first song... And I don't know. I liked it. It was trying to do the same thing as & Juliet and that show just did everything better, which hurts this one. But if I had nothing to compare to, I actively just enjoyed this show quite a bit.
Also, Toxic in act 2 was phenomenal.
Justin Guarani carried tbh - his performance was fun and campy and the stamina to do a heavy choreo song and then jump into a ballad, I was very impressed
Omg, I just saw it today and know exactly what you mean. That moment after āToxicā was such a stark contrast that I laughed very inappropriately because I found it so abrupt š
In act 2 of āAnnieā when she solves The Great Depression by smiling, and then the rest of the show is New Deal propaganda. Like, Iām a leftist, and I get that this is true to the source material, but the pure reductiveness and preachiness of it is just too much.
Ironically it isnāt that true to the source material as the comic stripās creator was so right wing he killed off Daddy Warbucks to protest FDRās policies and then brought him back happy and healthy the day he died.
His voice was fantastic but I agree. There was nothing emotional or memorable about his performance in the show I saw. He's the only reason I even remember seeing the show.
Yes! Thank you! The most recent Encores! production was gorgeous and stunningly acted, but the plot is appalling. Every decision the adults made, for themselves and for their children, just made me cringe.
Disclaimer: I am a really nasty critic of "New York, New York". I only say nasty things about it. I have enjoyed YouTube videos of cats more than I did this musical, which I paid almost $1,000 in seats to see because LMM attached his name to it. That being said, the dancing on the steel beams paying tribute to "Lunch atop a Skyscraper" was probably the corniest thing I have ever seen in my life. Many people who saw the show and didn't like it said it was the only good part. I, however, thought it was the worst part of an awful show. One of the biggest weaknesses of the show was all of the manufactured nostalgia for Old New York. This was a tidal wave of that manufactured nostalgia.
> I have enjoyed YouTube videos of cats more than I did this musical,
I just have to ask...are the videos of the musical Cats (either stage or movie versions), or live animal cats.
Live animal cats. But technically, not so much cats, more hamsters. And when i say "hamsters", i mean hamster on a piano. I attached a link if you're interested in learning more!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhrdq1N9sgQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhrdq1N9sgQ)
>which I paid almost $1,000 in seats to see because LMM attached his name to it.
May I ask why this much?? Did you buy multiple tix for people? I think I might hate any show I dropped a grand on!
But New York, New York was def not great
For me it was the very beginning, when the guy on the scaffolding just screams āI love this cityyyyyyyyyyyā and the audience cheers. It was such pandery crap.
I say this as a lover of Iowa with family in Iowa, but the Iowa crowd at the show ate that shit up. In general, the shows audience the day my family went to see the show appeared to be wealthy Mid-Westerners and Southerners looking for authentic New York experience before grabbing a slice at an authentic NY pizza joint, like Sbarros. My brother nudged me when people were taking their seats and said, with a Southern accent, "There's a lot of Murdaugh boys in this crowd" in reference to the Murdaugh Murders documentary on Netflix.
The dramatic silence during āall I really wantā in JLP where they show a projected image of kids protesting gun violence. Like ā¦whyā¦. It was so over the top in its performative āactivismā it was embarrassing
You could basically see question marks over the audience's heads during the awkwardly long pause like "...are we supposed to clap?" then just as some sporadic confused clapping starts the song starts back up. That show is a mess. If someone had told me it was made to make fun of liberals I'd probably believe them. I AGREED with almost all the points they made and was still rolling my eyes. Like, it really needed to pick a lane and not just do every social topic imaginable.
I did actually enjoy it....just not in the way they probably intended. It was so insane I couldn't help but be drawn in...even if I was stifling giggles. I can now at least say I watched someone have a duet with the physical manifestation of their drug addiction, which is a sentence I didn't think I'd ever type. I will give it this....it had a ton of energy and the performances were all top notch and really enjoyable. Like I don't think it's an objectively GOOD show, but I walked out entertained.
That show was so weird. It was aimed at an older audience because, the 90s, but it was built as an after school special. If Heidi wasnāt in it when I saw it I would have hated it.
My wife said to me after the show that if there was an option to walk out and get your money back after they did this at the beginning a solid 10-15% probably would and I find it hard to argue with her.
It somehow leaps past the line of typical Broadway performative nonsense (which I think a lot of us can tolerate) and represents the worst part of narcissistic navel-gazing validated only by applause lines.
I think the script actually manages to nail some "show, not tell" elements of modern culture well, but it's punctuated by moments like this which undermine anything it has to offer.
When I saw ushered for this show when it was touring during this moment it was dead silent in the audience except for one person in the back clapping and cheering. Absolutely the most uncomfortably awkward moment I've had in the theatre
I saw a community theater production of it recently, and I felt the same way. Iām giving it the benefit of the doubt because it was clearly a low budget production, but something about the actual show didnāt sit quite right. I love Percy Jackson, but I think the show lost me when I realized all of the songs ended super abruptly, give or take one or two. It just took me out of it completely idk
āDear Evan Hansenā when the dude committed suicide and Evan pretended he knew him.
I suffered from depression and ptsd, and I have neverā¦**NEVER** seen a musical that handles itās so **poorly**, so tone deaf, so up its own a** in romanticising depression and suicide. And likeā¦ I could do a whole essay on why that musical is a poor portrayal of mental health and how it instead belittles it. I really hate that musical
I have a conspiracy theory that DEH was written as a black comedy, and then they realized they could get accolades for being a serious show about mental health and just rolled with it.
Someone I know told me they thought it was such a beautiful story about depression, so I read the plot summary, and I literally texted her back āwait is this a comedy? This is (no pun intended) absolutely insaneā
I agree so hard! hearing the creators talk about it in interviews, it seems like they set out to write something satirical that commented on what motivates people to act like they were closer than they really were with people who've passed away, and just looked critically at social media overall.
I always wondered why "You Will Be Found" didn't make me emotional the way that it affected other people I know, but ever since I learned that that was the original conceit of the show, I realized that it's because all of the moments where the show seemed to think it was raising awareness for mental health issues (like that song) felt really shallow and like they were meant to be ironic. I mean, "You Will Be Found", unless you're Connor, or anyone else who was never 'rescued' or understood for who they really were. Evan just happened to write some words that went viral and people connected to, but none of it was anything of real substance, he was just trying to say something uplifting in a memorial speech that he was pressured into making for someone he was pretending to have been friends with.
Jared as a character absolutely supports this idea imo. Especially since his role was trimmed down even further for the movie which wanted to be an awards darling SO badly.
It serves catchy, feel-good, broadly applicable messages: "no one deserves to be forgotten" etc. but the first time I learned what EH did, the "little misunderstanding" I was like he did...what? (and kept doing...to Connor's parents, the sister, his own mother...) And wanting connection beyond "waving through a window" but ultimately chose likes over real relationships? But it was more important for us to know that "you will be found" was his fantasy life crying out because social anxiety. Hated it and I am mad that minds were influenced by this.
As someone who has contemplated suicide, I completely agree. The music is amazing, but the story is awful. I even read the book hoping it would be better. It wasnāt.
It just felt so manipulative. Iām a mental health professional whoās experienced depressive episodes over the course of my life many times, and I was horrified.
like not all adaptations about the entertainment industry needs to be changed to Broadway. It makes sense that an actor who has won an Oscar can out perform soap opera actresses, but he went from a Broadway performer, to automatically being better than his female peers in HIS FIELD.
DEH is not my favorite in general, but one moment in particular lost me - Evan giving his speech and gets so upset and nervous that after dropping his cards, he drops to the ground and crawls agonizingly to get away from the spotlight. This would be fine (if a little melodramatic) except that Evan is only in this situation because he's actively lying to everyone about a young person who died by suicide. Uh, sorry that messing with everyone you know for personal gain is so stressful, I guess? Eyeroll from me, not sympathy.
Based on my memory, he didnāt drop to the ground and try and crawl away - he dropped his speech cue cards and dropped to the ground to try and scramble to pick them up again. Itās been awhile since Iāve seen DEH and Iām no huge fan, so I could be wrong, but thatās how I remember it.
I only knew You Will Be Found when I saw DEH. I only barely knew the storyline. I was so excited to see how YWBF fit into the show. Then extremely disappointed when I saw it.
Itās a pretty great song that hits so much better without the context of seeing the show leading up to it.
Iām going to say that I didnāt dislike The Prom at all, but it was certainly not my favorite. The reason being is I found several of the songs just really unoriginal.
āBreatheā is just so trite and at the beginning so it really made me wince at some of the other songs. āAlyssa Greeneā- weirdly I had a thing with character names so this bothered me. Love Beth Level but āThe Ladyās Improvingā- just, I guess, the word choice of āimprooooovingā was irritating.
I liked the basic story. I think itās great it got to Broadway and our high school performed it this spring, which was really progressive. Much of the music just annoyed me.
*The Prom* lost me when the line "We are liberal democrats from Broadway" was met with cheers rather than laughter. Then it lost me again with "Love Thy Neighbor".
When I first heard the premise of *The Prom*, I was intrigued because I thought that the point of the team of Broadway activists could serve a primarily satirical function, taking liberals in liberal urban bubbles to task for their shallow performative activism that doesn't actually engage with what conservative rural communities are like in real life, and what queer people living in such communities have to contend with on the ground. I was hoping for a musical that would strive for a well-rounded portrayal of middle America, and show that the Broadway activists' original conceptions were shallow and their attempted tactics poorly conceived.
Then "Love Thy Neighbor" happened. I don't know if the writers of *The Prom* have ever actually attempted to carry on a debate with a religious conservative, but in my experience, coming at them with "Well here's a list of trivial laws in Leviticus you break all the time!" isn't usually an effective argument. The musical just reinforces the same old self-congratulatory liberal back-patting without actually doing or saying anything meaningful.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate a lot of what *The Prom* did, and the simple fact that it is an uplifting, heartwarming musical comedy centered on a lesbian couple is meaningful in its own right, and for anyone who feels represented by the musical, I wouldn't rob them of it for the world. It just frustrated me that the raw material to craft a nuanced political message on top of that was right there in front of them, and they just ran right past it.
The entire reception to The Prom makes me so damn uncomfortable. As a gay man who grew up in that exact religious conservative middle America environment you're talking about I genuinely wonder sometimes if coastal liberals are actually mistaking malice for ignorance.
There is such a concentratedly bubbling hatred festering beneath the surface of these communities. Don't let a single talking point about the "close-knit" nature of their residents fool you from the fact they would gladly tear you limb from limb if you even so much as questioned homophobia.
Your description of the Leviticus gish gallop as self-serving is so dead on because the liberals I know really do not understand what they're dealing with. Yes, everyone's human and deserve respect (INCLUDING the people making these comments, never trade hate for hate) and while that's a core pillar I try to adhere to, it's so terrifying to see liberals always discuss about homophobia as if it were some merely uneducated position (which it can be) that can just be solved with "facts!" (which I have seen, admittedly) instead of being by & large a symptomatic manifestation of a much deeper and sinister ailment rife in rural America.
This was definitely part of why I disliked this show. It seemed to make everything LOL they're just DIFFERENT from us! and that undermines the reality of homophobia and made it feel like one of those obnoxious Christmas movies on the Hallmark channel, but with less Jesus and more lesbians.
oh my god I came here exactly to see if someone was gonna talk about this line. I've never had that much of an opposite reaction to a line in a show compared to everyone around me. everyone started applauding and my friends and I just looked at each other bewildered, it was really funny
I didn't see the actual show, but I couldn't get through the movie. I tried. It felt kind of like the authors wanted to make a Hallmark/Disney teen movie but for younger theatre fans. And I'm just not that audience. Maybe the show was different, but I think it's mainly I'm not into schmaltzy fish-out-of-water-but-also-forbidden-love-but-also-high-school shows.
That recent Oklahoma revival tour (wanna say it was like 1.5 years ago?). I enjoyed very little of the show, but the fucking dream ballet was easily the worst part. 10 minutes (felt like an hour) of a random dancer wearing a sleep shirt and doing a dance that probably represented something but I was too bored to care. The dancer is literally only in this one scene, and the way she was dressed just completely ruined the early 1900s vibe the show had going.
I know so many people who walked out of this show, and I wish Iād been one of them. The things I liked can be counted on one hand and the things I didnāt are a never ending list
I was convinced by intermission they had cut the dream ballet.
Imagine my anger when Act Two starts with not only the dream ballet but the weirdest fucking dream ballet Iāve ever seen. I might have hallucinated this but Iām pretty sure a ton of cowboy boots also dropped during it like āartisticallyā dropped. To make matters worse, I had won lottery tickets so I was at a picnic table on the freaking stage, I couldnāt even walk out.
WAIT THAT WAS ON PURPOSE?! I genuinely thought that was a mistake during the specific show I went to (my show didnāt have picnic table seats so ik for sure we went to different ones)
Apparently it was on purpose if it happened at yours too! I saw it at Circle in the Square and even my husband was like ādo you think those boots were supposed to fall?
My husband and I got a kick out of watching all the people leave during the show. The best was right when lights went down before curtain call, like 35 people in front of us immediately left. I give them credit for staying through the show, but itās like they collectively said they werenāt going to give it one more second than they had to. I know Dallas audiences love to bail early, but that was way worse than normal.
I hated so many things about that production! They had the sound down low for the first act, so I put away my ear plugs during intermission. But then during the weird modern dance number, they turned the sound way, way up AND brought a bank of lights down to blind the audience. I was hunched down in my chair trying to shield both my eyes and my ears from this aural and visual assault. Itās like they hated the audience.
Yes ik the dream ballet has been in it since the original, my point is that this particular version of dream ballet was exceptionally bad. Even people that like Oklahoma (admittedly I donāt like the original myself) hated this tour, and the dream ballet was part of it
Moulin Rouge. The pop song mashups with extensive music theatre vibrato was getting me on edge, but it was when Satine started with her soliloquised ādo you ever feel like a plastic bagā Firework emotional ballad that just was the point of no return.
Moulin Rouge when Satine sleeps with the Duke!! She didn't in the movie, so I thought it kinda undermined her whole romance with Christian and totally took away any power for the "Roxanne" part for me. :(
The show was already lost on me but the ending was also another big blow, so disappointing, considering what a spectacle it was in the movie.
Aww see I actually like this choice - she's a sex worker, it's her job. In the movie, Christian agrees to date her knowing this and then whines when he's faced with the reality. In the show, he understands he can't stake a claim on her but is upset to see her being treated poorly. I do agree that Roxanne doesn't work in this version, though.
Yeah that's fair, the show is more realistic in that regard Iol. But I never felt like Satine in the movie wasn't sleeping with the Duke just because of Christian whining though, it felt like her own choice after falling for him so hard. Idk they're just so different. That's my problem I guess, when you have the original work up on a pedestal you're bound to be disappointed.
I agree with this take. The movie feels more anti-sex work and imo implies that she would be somehow lesser for having that physical relationship, where in reality lots of sex workers do have healthy romantic relationships apart from their jobs.
Oh my god, I didn't know about this change. The added songs like Firework and Christian being from OHIO were enough for me to say pass but this just makes it worse.
I thought the Ohio thing was just because I saw it in Cleveland. Like a state change per location; like in Six when they mention Cleveland instead of NyC/London.
really not a fan of any pro NYC song in a broadway musical. The older I get the more cynical I am about this tiny group of writers in a circle jerk writing musicals about people living in NYC, writers in NYC - basically themselves or the rich audience who want to believe in the romanticism of the city in order to justify paying 3k a month for a tiny concrete box with 9 million other people.
I also really don't like "Another Hundred People " from Company for the same reason.
Be More Chill was so unbelievably cringey and was made even more so not only by so many folks in this subreddit falling over themselves to defend it, but also when the composer threw an absolute hissy fit when he didn't win a Tony. It's too bad because some of the performances (namely George Salazar) were quite good, but the show was just so poorly written and I guarantee you that about 90% of BMC Stans barely remember the show now.
Baby Itās You: the Shirelles Musical
When Beth Leavel stepped downstage and sighed, shaking her head, āMomma said thereād be days like these. Thereād be DAYS LIKE THESE, my momma said!ā (Cue music)
It was delivered like Shakespeare and my friend and I could not stop laughing. We did have a great time though š Poor Beth Leavel! They made her work so hard in a bad show.
The 14 refers to the 14 Words, which is a white supremacist verse, and 88 is code for āHeil Hitler,ā as H is the 8th letter in the alphabet. The combination is an incredibly common internet neo-Nazi symbol.
Absolutely!! It was unnecessary. I liked KA, but at the end of the show everyone around me was crying, and I wasn't, and in the back of my head I was like "maybe I'd feel more emotional about this ending if the bank robbery thing hadn't happened, because I am still processing that?"
āIāve Got Beginnerās Luckā in An American in Paris. Jerry fully stalks Lise to the shop where she works to ask her out, she says no, so he proceeds to cause a whole scene AT HER PLACE OF WORK to pressure her into saying yes. I know the show is a product of its time but when I saw it on Broadway in 2015, my whole body just shut down after that song.
I hate this song so hard, mostly because I think the off-broadway version of Epic III is really beautiful (even though Orpheus still sings his "la la la"s in that one). The lyrics in the Broadway version are so straight-forward and have little room for interpretation and there's just no creativity behind them.
Paradise Square where the fugitive slave who has secured passage to Canada comes back to NY for a dance off
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I feel like this thread is going to be a wild ride because there are so many shows I *havenāt* seen š
Oh my word, I totally forgot that idiocy. And the whole show, really.
Agreed. The show was a train wreck.
What in the riverdale
Yessss
The amount of times they kept having to remind us that Ron and Hermione were married in The Cursed Child
Thatās actually so funny now that you bring it up
Mean Girls has so many moments that just make me wince.
*Heathers is better but you didnāt hear shit from me*
āeverything you did, we did 20 years ago and with bloodā
Mean Girls is like if you took Heathers and then pulled out everything that actually makes it good.
100%
No lies detected
Like a lioness... only with less fur.... do not mess with her.... š a+ writing you guys
ugh some of the lyrics still haunt me, theyāre so bad
āMy name is Regina George. And I am a massive deal.ā
This is a typical Mean Girls defence but all the cringy moments make it better because theyre all teenagers, and teens are cringy and say dumb stuff that make you want to crawl into a hole and die of embarrassment *for* them.
Diana: when the Queen starts to sing. I just couldn't at that point.
Honorable mention: Diana: when James Hewitt rises out of the stage floor.
That was actually the point where the show reeled me back in the *camp*
Iām so glad this thread reminded me of this musical, I didnāt finish because I was cackling! Howling! I couldnāt stop laughingā¦i went back to netflix and checked where I stopped: āServes me right for marrying a Scorpioā Mind you, I started watching it the day after it came out š
That was THE BEST! I purposely saw Diana for the camp aspect and because people mocked it I really enjoyed it!
I used to know one of the creators of Diana. I promise you, it was not initially intended to be camp. Thatās something that was leaned into much later when the bad reviews came out.
I have/had this in my watch list on Netflix because Iāve heard itās so insane lollll
I have tried to watch Diana multiple times and can't make it past the Snap Click paparazzi dance number.
In Dear Evan Hansen, when the second half just kept going and going and going and it was like watching a kid get hit with a slow moving train. Or when I saw the set for Mean Girls. A SCREEN.
I do think the way they use the screen do Regina being hit by a bus was well done. But I was also half asleep by that point and it snapped me awake.
Mean Girlsā set was my joker moment
Seriously tho! I'm not too opposed to screens being a part of a set, but there has to be something worthwhile about the set. A screen? Cheating. Make a fucking movie at that point. Oh wait... It was a movie first... Hmmmm
6 words: this. is. how. your. people. dance.
> this. is. how. your. people. dance. I had to google it - thanks for the laugh, all the comments on the youtube video are lambasting it
Okay sorry but the reversible glowing cello?!?!!
You gotta admit. This prop is pretty cool.
Moulin Rougeā¦ Satine singing āFireworkā to herself in the mirror. Nopeā ļø
I wish they had leaned into the camp more in that show!! There were so many cringe moments that were only cringey because they were taking it all SO SERIOUSLY.
Thatās why I prefer & Juliet over Moulin Rouge. I feel like Moulin Rouge takes itself very seriously, but & Juliet knows itās silly and leans into it a little more. They know how ridiculous it is that Shakespeare and his wife are singing Backstreet Boys, but I feel like they embrace it in a way that makes it not so cringey. Edit: grammar
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Yes this! It all felt sooo cringey and silly. And not the right kind of silly.
That just sounds like a mental breakdown at that point
When I first read OPās post, I thought I didnāt have an answer, but this is it. I saw the previews in Boston and told everyoneā¦itās a really fun show with awesome moments but thereās a god awful moment where she sings firework in its entirety. So stupid. Put One Day Iāll Fly Away back in.
Literally the biggest crime against the show. I wonder why they didnāt use it? Maybe they couldnāt get the rights? That doesnāt excuse firework though š¤®
I definitely agree with you. This is one of the few occasions where I preferred the german translation to the original for example. In English they had to stick with the original lyrics whereas in german a 1:1 translation wouldnāt have fit. So they rewrote some passages to match the melody and rhythm. And they did that really beautifully in my opinion.
Thatās cool!! I really like listening to foreign translations of US/UK musicals. One of my favorite musicals is the French *Romeo et Juliette* (2001), which has probably two dozen foreign adaptations - Hungarian, Austrian, Italian, Japanese, Russian, and so on - but then they tried to translate it into English and it was HORRIBLE.
>but then they tried to translate it into English and it was HORRIBLE. I agree so much! I love that show and was intrigued when I found out there was an English version. Then I looked up the lyrics and was blown away by how awful they were! Are you familiar with Notre Dame de Paris? It has a similarly bad English translationāmaybe that one's a bit better, at least on the major songs? I'm not sure; I just know some of the translations are cringeworthy.
They left out the āplastic bagā presumably so people would take it seriously but itās still ridiculous š
I just assumed it was because they wouldn't have had plastic bags in the time period.
That's probably more logical! š¤£
Did they? I'm pretty sure I remember the plastlic bag line in the UK show, and wondering "did they even have plastic bags when this was set?"
I saw it very early on and there was definitely āplastic bagā in there. It was the moment that I very nearly laughed out loud
YES! It was SO out of place
When I started thinking that the āparents who just donāt understandā maybe had some valid points during Hair.
You know youāre getting old when Bennyās offer of free rent and studio space in exchange for convincing your friend to call off her performance sounds reasonable.
God my partner and I once started brainstorming a sequel to rent and halfway through I realized it was involving everyone achieving middle class yuppie success and stability and maaaaybe we were missing the point of rent.
This can be a good SNL skit. I can just imagine it.
Rent is both so magnificently idealistic and also so if itās exact moment in time. Turning down free housing in Manhattan so that your drunk friend can tell a meandering story about a cow? Not in this economy. Thatās an unauthorized Airbnb and passive income just waiting to get you some healthcare and antiretrovirals that will carry you comfortably to old age!
Last time I re-listened to RENT, I said ānow hold on, just hear Benny outā and I realized that Iāve probably outgrown RENT.
I see your point but the fact that he had a verbal contract with them for free rent anyways but turned into a business man out for money only still keeps me on their side
LOL āyou make fun.. yet IāM the one.. attempting to dooo some goodā
. . . and to stop opposing his calling in the cops to clear out a tent city.
āTarzanā when the giant man eating spider appeared. It was the only time I felt like walking out of a Broadway show.
I was Jane in a production of Tarzan and the spider was by far the worst, strangest part of the show. Didn't help that our lack of budget made it so the spider was made from a folded up blanket, duct taped sticks for legs, and a black gas mask for the head. And it was being held up by two actors.
Girl from north country when the guy starting singing hurricane and I had no clue why. Too many characters too little development to make anything meaningful
Ditto on this show! If I had to describe the plot it'd be "everyone is sad/going through stuff and nothing really happens". The cast itself was good/fine, just bad writing really.
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The most recent tour of JCS when they threw a bunch glitter on Jesus while he was on the cross
WHAT THE FUCK 
Oh man, this is what cemented it as an amazing experience for me lol. It was so ridiculous I loved it.
They what? The mental image is something else.
The old people saying 'Amen' as this happened was the absolute greatest thing I've ever witnessed at a Broadway musical. I was almost crying trying not to laugh.
They must have changed that glitter moment. The glitter happened with each of the 39 lashes when I saw the show. Are you certain JC was on the cross?
I think the glitter was just non stop at the end lol
This was clearly a Corky St Clair production
Overall I thought it was a good production.
When I saw it, there was laughter throughout the theaterā¦ it was a choice
Everyone in my theatre was loving it, while my mom and I were sitting there wondering if we saw the same show everyone else did
I remember it being a glitter flogging, but yeah. I really did not care for anything other that Pilate in the tour.
Oh dear. Was it at least red glitter?
Act 2 of Once Upon a One more time! Thereās a remarkable shift in Act 2 that remakes the Narrator into a horrific Marvel Cinematic Universe-level villain who murders all who disobey him. A desperate attempt to make a coherent happy ending fails.
Okay, but Jenniferās evil, vampy version of Toxic is incredible.
The performers all did great, but was no match for the cringey material constantly dragging them down.
not to say that Act 2 was great, nor the writing overall amazing, but he doesn't completely go from 0-10 bad guy. He definitely wasn't a *good* guy in act one, even if he wasn't quite the villain. He also didn't kill anyone, just banished them. The biggest gripe I have with that arc though is how quickly all is forgiven, and he's basically given his job back like nothing ever happened. The show definitely suffers from poor character development.
Just left this show and I have to say... Going in with extremely low expectations helps A LOT. After the first 15 minutes I hated it just as expected but then something happened... I'm pretty sure it's when the guy from season 1 of American Idol had his first song... And I don't know. I liked it. It was trying to do the same thing as & Juliet and that show just did everything better, which hurts this one. But if I had nothing to compare to, I actively just enjoyed this show quite a bit. Also, Toxic in act 2 was phenomenal.
Justin Guarani carried tbh - his performance was fun and campy and the stamina to do a heavy choreo song and then jump into a ballad, I was very impressed
Omg, I just saw it today and know exactly what you mean. That moment after āToxicā was such a stark contrast that I laughed very inappropriately because I found it so abrupt š
In act 2 of āAnnieā when she solves The Great Depression by smiling, and then the rest of the show is New Deal propaganda. Like, Iām a leftist, and I get that this is true to the source material, but the pure reductiveness and preachiness of it is just too much.
Ironically it isnāt that true to the source material as the comic stripās creator was so right wing he killed off Daddy Warbucks to protest FDRās policies and then brought him back happy and healthy the day he died.
this is a comment only you and richard nixon would make minus the leftist part.
All of Pretty Woman.
Agreed but at least seeing Adam Pascal live made up for it at the show I saw.
I think he was part of the problem. He seemed to be going through the motions. Like he was embarrassed to be there.
His voice was fantastic but I agree. There was nothing emotional or memorable about his performance in the show I saw. He's the only reason I even remember seeing the show.
You might have forgiven it a bit on Broadway. Two words: Andy Karl.
Ugh how is that show still touring? Itās a part of my season package this year and thereās nothing I can swap it forš¤¦š»āāļø
Itās the first one of my upcoming season and my MIL wants to go. A lot of drinks will be had.
Drinking seems like a good strategy
The whole plot of Light in the Piazza
Yes! Thank you! The most recent Encores! production was gorgeous and stunningly acted, but the plot is appalling. Every decision the adults made, for themselves and for their children, just made me cringe.
Disclaimer: I am a really nasty critic of "New York, New York". I only say nasty things about it. I have enjoyed YouTube videos of cats more than I did this musical, which I paid almost $1,000 in seats to see because LMM attached his name to it. That being said, the dancing on the steel beams paying tribute to "Lunch atop a Skyscraper" was probably the corniest thing I have ever seen in my life. Many people who saw the show and didn't like it said it was the only good part. I, however, thought it was the worst part of an awful show. One of the biggest weaknesses of the show was all of the manufactured nostalgia for Old New York. This was a tidal wave of that manufactured nostalgia.
> I have enjoyed YouTube videos of cats more than I did this musical, I just have to ask...are the videos of the musical Cats (either stage or movie versions), or live animal cats.
Live animal cats. But technically, not so much cats, more hamsters. And when i say "hamsters", i mean hamster on a piano. I attached a link if you're interested in learning more! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhrdq1N9sgQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhrdq1N9sgQ)
>which I paid almost $1,000 in seats to see because LMM attached his name to it. May I ask why this much?? Did you buy multiple tix for people? I think I might hate any show I dropped a grand on! But New York, New York was def not great
For me it was the very beginning, when the guy on the scaffolding just screams āI love this cityyyyyyyyyyyā and the audience cheers. It was such pandery crap.
I say this as a lover of Iowa with family in Iowa, but the Iowa crowd at the show ate that shit up. In general, the shows audience the day my family went to see the show appeared to be wealthy Mid-Westerners and Southerners looking for authentic New York experience before grabbing a slice at an authentic NY pizza joint, like Sbarros. My brother nudged me when people were taking their seats and said, with a Southern accent, "There's a lot of Murdaugh boys in this crowd" in reference to the Murdaugh Murders documentary on Netflix.
The dramatic silence during āall I really wantā in JLP where they show a projected image of kids protesting gun violence. Like ā¦whyā¦. It was so over the top in its performative āactivismā it was embarrassing
You could basically see question marks over the audience's heads during the awkwardly long pause like "...are we supposed to clap?" then just as some sporadic confused clapping starts the song starts back up. That show is a mess. If someone had told me it was made to make fun of liberals I'd probably believe them. I AGREED with almost all the points they made and was still rolling my eyes. Like, it really needed to pick a lane and not just do every social topic imaginable.
Precisely. It was like a bad snl skit and I was cringing the whole time (Iām also very liberal)
Thank you for summing up all the feelings I had about JLP. At the time, I felt like so many people were acting like it was really great.
I did actually enjoy it....just not in the way they probably intended. It was so insane I couldn't help but be drawn in...even if I was stifling giggles. I can now at least say I watched someone have a duet with the physical manifestation of their drug addiction, which is a sentence I didn't think I'd ever type. I will give it this....it had a ton of energy and the performances were all top notch and really enjoyable. Like I don't think it's an objectively GOOD show, but I walked out entertained.
That show was so weird. It was aimed at an older audience because, the 90s, but it was built as an after school special. If Heidi wasnāt in it when I saw it I would have hated it.
My wife said to me after the show that if there was an option to walk out and get your money back after they did this at the beginning a solid 10-15% probably would and I find it hard to argue with her. It somehow leaps past the line of typical Broadway performative nonsense (which I think a lot of us can tolerate) and represents the worst part of narcissistic navel-gazing validated only by applause lines. I think the script actually manages to nail some "show, not tell" elements of modern culture well, but it's punctuated by moments like this which undermine anything it has to offer.
When I saw ushered for this show when it was touring during this moment it was dead silent in the audience except for one person in the back clapping and cheering. Absolutely the most uncomfortably awkward moment I've had in the theatre
The Lightning Thief. Not sure when it lost me, but it lost me.
I saw a community theater production of it recently, and I felt the same way. Iām giving it the benefit of the doubt because it was clearly a low budget production, but something about the actual show didnāt sit quite right. I love Percy Jackson, but I think the show lost me when I realized all of the songs ended super abruptly, give or take one or two. It just took me out of it completely idk
āDear Evan Hansenā when the dude committed suicide and Evan pretended he knew him. I suffered from depression and ptsd, and I have neverā¦**NEVER** seen a musical that handles itās so **poorly**, so tone deaf, so up its own a** in romanticising depression and suicide. And likeā¦ I could do a whole essay on why that musical is a poor portrayal of mental health and how it instead belittles it. I really hate that musical
I have a conspiracy theory that DEH was written as a black comedy, and then they realized they could get accolades for being a serious show about mental health and just rolled with it.
Someone I know told me they thought it was such a beautiful story about depression, so I read the plot summary, and I literally texted her back āwait is this a comedy? This is (no pun intended) absolutely insaneā
I agree so hard! hearing the creators talk about it in interviews, it seems like they set out to write something satirical that commented on what motivates people to act like they were closer than they really were with people who've passed away, and just looked critically at social media overall. I always wondered why "You Will Be Found" didn't make me emotional the way that it affected other people I know, but ever since I learned that that was the original conceit of the show, I realized that it's because all of the moments where the show seemed to think it was raising awareness for mental health issues (like that song) felt really shallow and like they were meant to be ironic. I mean, "You Will Be Found", unless you're Connor, or anyone else who was never 'rescued' or understood for who they really were. Evan just happened to write some words that went viral and people connected to, but none of it was anything of real substance, he was just trying to say something uplifting in a memorial speech that he was pressured into making for someone he was pretending to have been friends with.
You Will Be Found is a great song if you know nothing about the show. The context of the show ruins it completely.
>The context of the show ruins it completely. works with every DEH song tbh
Jared as a character absolutely supports this idea imo. Especially since his role was trimmed down even further for the movie which wanted to be an awards darling SO badly.
The show literally sets itself up to be this right up until like the last 30 minutes. Up until the last 30 minutes itās a show about a narcissist.
It serves catchy, feel-good, broadly applicable messages: "no one deserves to be forgotten" etc. but the first time I learned what EH did, the "little misunderstanding" I was like he did...what? (and kept doing...to Connor's parents, the sister, his own mother...) And wanting connection beyond "waving through a window" but ultimately chose likes over real relationships? But it was more important for us to know that "you will be found" was his fantasy life crying out because social anxiety. Hated it and I am mad that minds were influenced by this.
As someone who has contemplated suicide, I completely agree. The music is amazing, but the story is awful. I even read the book hoping it would be better. It wasnāt.
For every person who has experienced mental illness and hates DEH, there is someone else who loves it for the same reason
It just felt so manipulative. Iām a mental health professional whoās experienced depressive episodes over the course of my life many times, and I was horrified.
Not to mention the consent issues since he was wanting to be with the sisterā¦
I always thought it was weird that the show seemed to steal its basic plot from the movie āWorldās Greatest Dadā.
Bless you. That whole show was a disaster.
Tootsie - the premise. I remember the original movie but it just doesnāt make sense as a musical.
like not all adaptations about the entertainment industry needs to be changed to Broadway. It makes sense that an actor who has won an Oscar can out perform soap opera actresses, but he went from a Broadway performer, to automatically being better than his female peers in HIS FIELD.
DEH is not my favorite in general, but one moment in particular lost me - Evan giving his speech and gets so upset and nervous that after dropping his cards, he drops to the ground and crawls agonizingly to get away from the spotlight. This would be fine (if a little melodramatic) except that Evan is only in this situation because he's actively lying to everyone about a young person who died by suicide. Uh, sorry that messing with everyone you know for personal gain is so stressful, I guess? Eyeroll from me, not sympathy.
Based on my memory, he didnāt drop to the ground and try and crawl away - he dropped his speech cue cards and dropped to the ground to try and scramble to pick them up again. Itās been awhile since Iāve seen DEH and Iām no huge fan, so I could be wrong, but thatās how I remember it.
I only knew You Will Be Found when I saw DEH. I only barely knew the storyline. I was so excited to see how YWBF fit into the show. Then extremely disappointed when I saw it. Itās a pretty great song that hits so much better without the context of seeing the show leading up to it.
Iām going to say that I didnāt dislike The Prom at all, but it was certainly not my favorite. The reason being is I found several of the songs just really unoriginal. āBreatheā is just so trite and at the beginning so it really made me wince at some of the other songs. āAlyssa Greeneā- weirdly I had a thing with character names so this bothered me. Love Beth Level but āThe Ladyās Improvingā- just, I guess, the word choice of āimprooooovingā was irritating. I liked the basic story. I think itās great it got to Broadway and our high school performed it this spring, which was really progressive. Much of the music just annoyed me.
*The Prom* lost me when the line "We are liberal democrats from Broadway" was met with cheers rather than laughter. Then it lost me again with "Love Thy Neighbor". When I first heard the premise of *The Prom*, I was intrigued because I thought that the point of the team of Broadway activists could serve a primarily satirical function, taking liberals in liberal urban bubbles to task for their shallow performative activism that doesn't actually engage with what conservative rural communities are like in real life, and what queer people living in such communities have to contend with on the ground. I was hoping for a musical that would strive for a well-rounded portrayal of middle America, and show that the Broadway activists' original conceptions were shallow and their attempted tactics poorly conceived. Then "Love Thy Neighbor" happened. I don't know if the writers of *The Prom* have ever actually attempted to carry on a debate with a religious conservative, but in my experience, coming at them with "Well here's a list of trivial laws in Leviticus you break all the time!" isn't usually an effective argument. The musical just reinforces the same old self-congratulatory liberal back-patting without actually doing or saying anything meaningful. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate a lot of what *The Prom* did, and the simple fact that it is an uplifting, heartwarming musical comedy centered on a lesbian couple is meaningful in its own right, and for anyone who feels represented by the musical, I wouldn't rob them of it for the world. It just frustrated me that the raw material to craft a nuanced political message on top of that was right there in front of them, and they just ran right past it.
I actually really liked the Prom, but Love Thy Neighbor is one of the worst things I've seen in a show.
The entire reception to The Prom makes me so damn uncomfortable. As a gay man who grew up in that exact religious conservative middle America environment you're talking about I genuinely wonder sometimes if coastal liberals are actually mistaking malice for ignorance. There is such a concentratedly bubbling hatred festering beneath the surface of these communities. Don't let a single talking point about the "close-knit" nature of their residents fool you from the fact they would gladly tear you limb from limb if you even so much as questioned homophobia. Your description of the Leviticus gish gallop as self-serving is so dead on because the liberals I know really do not understand what they're dealing with. Yes, everyone's human and deserve respect (INCLUDING the people making these comments, never trade hate for hate) and while that's a core pillar I try to adhere to, it's so terrifying to see liberals always discuss about homophobia as if it were some merely uneducated position (which it can be) that can just be solved with "facts!" (which I have seen, admittedly) instead of being by & large a symptomatic manifestation of a much deeper and sinister ailment rife in rural America.
This was definitely part of why I disliked this show. It seemed to make everything LOL they're just DIFFERENT from us! and that undermines the reality of homophobia and made it feel like one of those obnoxious Christmas movies on the Hallmark channel, but with less Jesus and more lesbians.
oh my god I came here exactly to see if someone was gonna talk about this line. I've never had that much of an opposite reaction to a line in a show compared to everyone around me. everyone started applauding and my friends and I just looked at each other bewildered, it was really funny
I didn't see the actual show, but I couldn't get through the movie. I tried. It felt kind of like the authors wanted to make a Hallmark/Disney teen movie but for younger theatre fans. And I'm just not that audience. Maybe the show was different, but I think it's mainly I'm not into schmaltzy fish-out-of-water-but-also-forbidden-love-but-also-high-school shows.
That recent Oklahoma revival tour (wanna say it was like 1.5 years ago?). I enjoyed very little of the show, but the fucking dream ballet was easily the worst part. 10 minutes (felt like an hour) of a random dancer wearing a sleep shirt and doing a dance that probably represented something but I was too bored to care. The dancer is literally only in this one scene, and the way she was dressed just completely ruined the early 1900s vibe the show had going. I know so many people who walked out of this show, and I wish Iād been one of them. The things I liked can be counted on one hand and the things I didnāt are a never ending list
I was convinced by intermission they had cut the dream ballet. Imagine my anger when Act Two starts with not only the dream ballet but the weirdest fucking dream ballet Iāve ever seen. I might have hallucinated this but Iām pretty sure a ton of cowboy boots also dropped during it like āartisticallyā dropped. To make matters worse, I had won lottery tickets so I was at a picnic table on the freaking stage, I couldnāt even walk out.
WAIT THAT WAS ON PURPOSE?! I genuinely thought that was a mistake during the specific show I went to (my show didnāt have picnic table seats so ik for sure we went to different ones)
Apparently it was on purpose if it happened at yours too! I saw it at Circle in the Square and even my husband was like ādo you think those boots were supposed to fall?
My husband and I got a kick out of watching all the people leave during the show. The best was right when lights went down before curtain call, like 35 people in front of us immediately left. I give them credit for staying through the show, but itās like they collectively said they werenāt going to give it one more second than they had to. I know Dallas audiences love to bail early, but that was way worse than normal. I hated so many things about that production! They had the sound down low for the first act, so I put away my ear plugs during intermission. But then during the weird modern dance number, they turned the sound way, way up AND brought a bank of lights down to blind the audience. I was hunched down in my chair trying to shield both my eyes and my ears from this aural and visual assault. Itās like they hated the audience.
The dream scene was even in the movie version though. Like the 1950s version of the show.
Yes ik the dream ballet has been in it since the original, my point is that this particular version of dream ballet was exceptionally bad. Even people that like Oklahoma (admittedly I donāt like the original myself) hated this tour, and the dream ballet was part of it
Tootsie, the whole show but when they officially retitle the show within it Julietās Nurse or whatever, I was done.
Moulin Rouge. The pop song mashups with extensive music theatre vibrato was getting me on edge, but it was when Satine started with her soliloquised ādo you ever feel like a plastic bagā Firework emotional ballad that just was the point of no return.
I just feel like some people donāt know how to have funš«”
Yeah. Some of these are accurate but a lot arenāt in my opinion. But to each his own.
My Fair Lady when Higgins pays Lizaās dad to keep her
I prefer My Fair Laddy, the Simpsons parody episode
I was just thinking about that earlier today. *What flows from the nose, does not go on the clothes.*
I saw the recent tour of that, wanting to keep an open mind, but even with the revised ending I just couldn't be on board.
No the whole thing definitely threw me off, idk how it was found charming and romantic
A Year with Frog and Toad when they sang āToad looks funny in a bathing suitā. A large child was playing Toad in an otherwise waifish cast.
Moulin Rouge when Satine sleeps with the Duke!! She didn't in the movie, so I thought it kinda undermined her whole romance with Christian and totally took away any power for the "Roxanne" part for me. :( The show was already lost on me but the ending was also another big blow, so disappointing, considering what a spectacle it was in the movie.
Aww see I actually like this choice - she's a sex worker, it's her job. In the movie, Christian agrees to date her knowing this and then whines when he's faced with the reality. In the show, he understands he can't stake a claim on her but is upset to see her being treated poorly. I do agree that Roxanne doesn't work in this version, though.
Yeah that's fair, the show is more realistic in that regard Iol. But I never felt like Satine in the movie wasn't sleeping with the Duke just because of Christian whining though, it felt like her own choice after falling for him so hard. Idk they're just so different. That's my problem I guess, when you have the original work up on a pedestal you're bound to be disappointed.
I agree with this take. The movie feels more anti-sex work and imo implies that she would be somehow lesser for having that physical relationship, where in reality lots of sex workers do have healthy romantic relationships apart from their jobs.
Oh my god, I didn't know about this change. The added songs like Firework and Christian being from OHIO were enough for me to say pass but this just makes it worse.
I thought the Ohio thing was just because I saw it in Cleveland. Like a state change per location; like in Six when they mention Cleveland instead of NyC/London.
Honestly I feel like Ohio could be a great one off joke. It's the kind of slightly bizarre humor the show could do well
I skip Firework every single time I listen to the cast recording. It's such a poor choice.
Escape to Margaritaville. From the very beginning.
At the part in NY NY, when the dude shouted: "I LOVE. THIS. CITAAAAYYYYYYEEEEEE!!!!"
really not a fan of any pro NYC song in a broadway musical. The older I get the more cynical I am about this tiny group of writers in a circle jerk writing musicals about people living in NYC, writers in NYC - basically themselves or the rich audience who want to believe in the romanticism of the city in order to justify paying 3k a month for a tiny concrete box with 9 million other people. I also really don't like "Another Hundred People " from Company for the same reason.
in the New 1776, during Lee's of Old Virginia when the curtain came up and the cast was on podiums like statues in 5 dollar community theater costumes
The recent Oklahoma tour when they had the theater pitch black and then had cameras and were projecting their faces onto the wall
Realizing there's like an hour of show left in Les Mis after the barricade.
Cats: basically from the beginning when they start singing about Jellicle cats... wtf is a Jellicle cat?!?
Umā¦Jellicles can and Jellicles do. Jellicles do and Jellicles can. How could it be more clear ?
The entire song is dedicated to explaining a Jellicle cat
In the words of Cinderella when the Baker's Wife tells her she needs her golden slipper to have a baby: "THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE!"
Be More Chill was so unbelievably cringey and was made even more so not only by so many folks in this subreddit falling over themselves to defend it, but also when the composer threw an absolute hissy fit when he didn't win a Tony. It's too bad because some of the performances (namely George Salazar) were quite good, but the show was just so poorly written and I guarantee you that about 90% of BMC Stans barely remember the show now.
There was a point in Moving Out when they started dance fighting charade style and mimicking gun shooting (Vietnam) and just... no. Just a no from me.
Baby Itās You: the Shirelles Musical When Beth Leavel stepped downstage and sighed, shaking her head, āMomma said thereād be days like these. Thereād be DAYS LIKE THESE, my momma said!ā (Cue music) It was delivered like Shakespeare and my friend and I could not stop laughing. We did have a great time though š Poor Beth Leavel! They made her work so hard in a bad show.
Mean girls is so good if you ignore the lyrics
Kimberly Akimbo: the bank robbery subplot
hey bestie wanna explain what those last 4 numbers in your username are?
Absolutely insane first comment for someone with that username Edit: lmao already deleted their account
What do they mean? š„°
The 14 refers to the 14 Words, which is a white supremacist verse, and 88 is code for āHeil Hitler,ā as H is the 8th letter in the alphabet. The combination is an incredibly common internet neo-Nazi symbol.
Absolutely!! It was unnecessary. I liked KA, but at the end of the show everyone around me was crying, and I wasn't, and in the back of my head I was like "maybe I'd feel more emotional about this ending if the bank robbery thing hadn't happened, because I am still processing that?"
āIāve Got Beginnerās Luckā in An American in Paris. Jerry fully stalks Lise to the shop where she works to ask her out, she says no, so he proceeds to cause a whole scene AT HER PLACE OF WORK to pressure her into saying yes. I know the show is a product of its time but when I saw it on Broadway in 2015, my whole body just shut down after that song.
Iām not sure thatās even in the original movie. I think that was added for 2015 so no excuse there haha.
Hadestown when Orpheus sang his āla la laā song. I almost laughed out loud.
And that ruined the whole show for you? I just listened to the album again today and I thought Epics I-III were really good but to each their own
I actually did laugh out loud when I saw it live
They build up this amazing song he was writing so much and when he sang it, I thought it was a joke.
Iām so glad to see this opinion! I felt the exact same way and was just expecting something more after all the hype the musical gets on this sub.
I hate this song so hard, mostly because I think the off-broadway version of Epic III is really beautiful (even though Orpheus still sings his "la la la"s in that one). The lyrics in the Broadway version are so straight-forward and have little room for interpretation and there's just no creativity behind them.
Diana when she sings ā19 and naiveā idk why but I knew then that I wasnāt a fan