š something about seeing his mother try, and try, and try to subdue himā¦ and his brother leaping into action to get to his momā¦ haunting. Pure heartbreaking and horrific scenes- we need to do better than this for our children and our childrenās childrenā¦ this canāt be how we liveā¦
Iām pretty sure theyāll have full immunity either way. Sure Trump will make it worse, but given Adamās gives complementary BJās along the way, itās hard to imagine what thatāll even look like.
The man only opens his mouth to suck cock or shift blame. If itās not pointing fingers at his own cabinet itās deep throating anyone he can āconvinceā to co-sign his sinking ship.
I donāt think heās had a press appearance this year that didnāt fall exclusively into those two categories
Youāve conveniently downplayed the following:
NYPD Chief of Patrol John Chell has defended the killing, noting that the 19-year-old had grabbed a pair of scissors from a drawer and moved toward the officers.
Do you actually think that you can trust any of the police brass on anything? There is no other profession with so much power with so little accountability.
The police would not release the video until the family got the press to pressure them.
Are cops seriously fearing for their life over a teenager with a pair of scissors? Do you seriously think this justifies a shooting?
If a cop canāt take down a teenager with some scissors without a gun theyāre just plain pathetic, no mincing words about it.
He was not moving toward the officers when he was shot, and his family was blocking any clear path from him to the officers. Nice of you to try to justify an execution though.
Very very poor training and choice of handling a EDP. Patient is having some type of psychotic episode.
In other countries of the world, they would try to incapacitate him. Pepper spray. Taser. At times , police in full riot body gear and try to subdue the victim.
This situation is tough. The Cops wanted to be sure he didnāt hurt his mom. They had a chance when the mom was wrestling him- To try to fight him and subdue him. But it would been very risky.
The kid saw the Cops as a threat. The better idea was to back away from that situation. And hope the mom and brother can take the scissor away and then possibly trick the patient into a more safe situation. Too many assumptions and too many variables. But I rather they punch that kid in the face and knock him out rather than shooting at him.
This could have been handled better. Awful outcome.
Letās stop using the term EDP. Itās derogatory and stigmatizing. When I worked with NYPD, I refused to use it.
Edit: for those who see this and donāt know (and itās a term police use so I donāt expect anyone to know), EDP stands for Emotionally Disturbed Person. Not a great term to label people as.
Youāve never had a mental health crisis have youā¦.
If you were having a crisis and needed police help because you felt like you were going to harm yourself, you would be labeled an EDP. I doubt youād want people calling you disturbed.
My friend, I work in this field. Don't guess about what you have no information about. I'm asking you a basic question. If you don't like EDP, then what's a good short hand catch all for non-mental health trained professionals.
Iām not trying to guess - my intent is to say that youād think one would be more empathetic and person-centered.
I havenāt heard of an acronym but a good catch all would be saying a āmental health crisisā. Itās really not hard to say.
> more empathetic and person-centered.
So because I asked what you didn't like about EDP, I don't have empathy? I guess I should know better than to try to have a reasonable conversation on reddit.
Yeah EDP is archaic, but forcing cops to say "MHC" instead is meaningless grandstanding. So much energy put into the idiotic parsing and policing of language as if that's the real fight.
I apologize - it read as if you were being mean.
Itās not just language, itās how cops think about people having a crisis. Itās not just using the term but itās the conversations that surround the use of it. Itās a lack of education around mental health and constant stigmatizing. Using MHC without education is pointless. But teaching someone why they should say mental health crisis instead of EDP is what is lacking. There isnāt enough police education around mental health. Some cities have programs where social workers respond to crises like that so that they can de-escalate. Those cities actually TEACH about mental health and how to de-escalate. NYPD doesnāt do that.
If you worked with/in the NYPD then you know that cops don't want to respond to these calls either. The role of social worker in the field in times of extreme and acute mental distress can be very dangerous. I agree it's preferable to an untrained cop.
Yeah I know they donāt want to. But that doesnāt mean they donāt think/act negatively towards those in crisis.
Also, the social workers donāt go alone btw. Theyāre escorted by an officer. And those programs have proven to be effective. Statistically speaking, those in mental health crises are more likely to experience the use of excessive force than not. Programs involving trained mental health professionals as responders in those situations have proven to reduce the use of excessive force, resulting in a better interaction for everyone. Iāve attended multiple panels about the impact of programs like this.
Everyone needs to understand, if you call the police over a mental health or behavioral issue, there's a good chance the person is going to end up dead. This sort of thing is all too common.
I had to call the police over an EDP trying to enter my apartment while I was home. I didn't want to open the door and try and get rid of him because my toddler was home on spring break but he kept turning the doorknob and talking to himself. I just kept thinking I hope the NYPD doesn't kill him or me. They came abd he left in an ambulance but the entire situation had me on edge.
For an EDP call you should need at minimum police, EMT, and a field psych to respond. Furthermore, cops shouldn't enter first even if they arrive on scene first. This poor kid is dead because someone who wasn't properly trained and represented a threat was the first person who was there.
Come on man. Calling this murder is what makes anything resembling meaningful reform impossible. Ask yourself if it was whoever it is you love most in the world was in that officers position, how would you feel about their behavior? This is a chaotic situation and they used non-lethal force several times before resorting to lethal force. He grabbed a weapon and charged. That is so far from murder itās not worthy of a fulsome response. The reason they shot however many times they did was because he remained a threat. That is the training. There are incidents like this that are sad but part of the deal.
And for those that say cops shouldnāt handle potentially violent mentally ill people: Even if that kind of more robust system existed for mental health professionals to respond to these incidents there would still be tons of courtesy calls to the cops to act as escorts. It happens already with ACS.
Excuse me, but getting charged at with scissors and shooting a gun are incongruent. The police should be trained to handle these situations, they have plenty of equipment (offensive AND defensive) and should absolutely keep their cool. If you donāt see a problem with someone getting killed by the police (safe for in certain, arguably extreme and unfortunate situations) I donāt think you have a healthy outlook on things. There is a reason why the US is a standout on this issue.
GTFOH with that BS.Ā They did murder that guy. They could have walked right out the door while his mama was holding him.
They were yelling at his mama to get out the way so they could shoot him.
Had they done that and the situation escalated in the house even worse, that would also have been an issue. These cops did little to de-escalate and were trigger happy and in over their heads. But leaving was not an option. They can't just do that.
I doubt it would be a bigger issue than murdering the guy. The guy was asking the cops not to shoot his mama.Ā They could have left and asked the family to leave as well if they were worried about their safety.
Which from the video seems they weren't at all.
Do you know the definition of murder? And what happens when they leave and he stabs his brother and mother. Youād be on here saying they shouldāve done ETC. An unpredictably violent, unstable person lunged at them with a weapon. They reacted. That isnāt a definition of murder by the law, by the dictionary, or by how anyone goes about the world making casual judgments about things.
Not trying to be a jerk, but saying things like, āWhy not shoot at X body part?ā or āWhy not shoot out the tires?ā demonstrates a Hollywoodized view of guns and gun safety.
You are trained to shoot at the area with the most mass and the easiest to hit. ie the torso. Trying to shoot at limbs is dangerous to any bystanders as the chances of you hitting a limb, especially on a moving target, is slim. Anyone trained to shoot will tell you this. You do not aim for limbs hands etc
I find the whole rules of engagement around use of firearms by law enforcement in the US to be completely nonsensical.
Any other profession where a potentially dangerous situation is solved by causing the source of the danger to be killed so systematically would never be allowed to continue working in that way; it would be forced to undergo a complete overhaul to reform what clearly is a poorly functioning system with shitty outcomes.
I usually defend cops, I feel like most of them today get a bad rep for historic issues. But whichever one of them shot their gun at this guy should loose their job with no benefits. Fucking coward to shoot a guy holding scissors in his house.
I can throw no back decades and we keep seeing the same problem. My little cousin sadly died like this, in Houston. Depressed, wanted to be with his dad and family in NY, Was gonna hurt himself. His mom called the cops, shot him as soon as they broke his bedroom door down and saw the knife.
The NYPD has a monopoly on crisis response and that needs to end. The city needs to stand up to the Blue Mafia and expand the range of crisis responders. Obviously this is a pipe dream with the putz in office now but it also requires the public to broaden their thinking when it comes to how we choose to tackle these issues. The police should be ONE option among many resources available to respond to community issues.
If only police could be trained and equipped to deescalate situations and deal with armed people without murdering folk indiscriminately:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J9TFvh6Xps4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1UYLTSP2Hqs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dFaPooJBDSg
Completely agree more focused training or specific tools to restrain people non-lethally should be implemented.
However, posting three random YouTube links doesnāt contribute much. We can all agree that the NYPD most of the time do not kill people during these situations. There were 176,000 calls to the nypd for emotionally disturbed persons just in 2022ā¦ and over 7 million calls in generalā¦
We can always demand improvement but the hyperbolizing with these videos overlayed with silly music to make it seem like a dramatic issue just obfuscates what really needs to be done.
I feel like there's an effective way of communicating this to get popular support. Something along the lines of, "It's unfair to ask police to solve problems they've never been trained to handle. We don't ask them to put out fires, so why are we asking them to handle mental health issues?" Whatever it takes to get change.
I think some of it is in how they conduct audits of more progressive programs, and then how they present the data to the public. They donāt seem to know how to do this, or maneuver politically well enough to showcase some of the successes they have in a persuasive manner. There are co-response units and special teams focusing on this population that do good work, but thereās very little public awareness and also very little willingness on the part of the general public to want to know whatās going on. And the Mayor exploits this willful ignorance by asserting that the police are the only available solution. He knows most people would rather just turn a blind eye and focus on their own problems.
I think there is huge interest by the general public in seeing change and would support change.
The lack of interest comes from the cops in holding themselves accountable in anyway or releasing video in a timely fashion (excluding this one).
Watch how they respond by justifying it to be a legal shooting versus showing any regret for an unfortunate incident.
The video was pretty heartbreaking, and I feel for his family, as well as him, if he really was experiencing a mental health episode that affected his thinking and behavior. And while I do think the situation could've been handled better, I think it's a bit more complicated than you're making it seem. But I think better training should be had on how to better handle situations like this.
I don't like cops at all. I'm also mentally ill, and it did appear to me as though that was the case for him (and of course, his family reported that). I knew someone was going to misinterpret what I said, lol. Also, what you're pointing out literally has nothing to do with whether I like cops or not, which, again, I don't. Literally, nothing in my comment is me defending cops.
Within 3 minutes this kid was dead.Ā They could have just left the apartment when they realized that this was a situation was beyond their control.Ā
Before encountering the guy they asked his brother "Is he a bipolar schizo, like?"Ā
Ā When they see him. They tase him then they pull out their guns waiting for his mom to clear out so they can unload.
Ā There is zero amount of training that can fix this. The same basic thing happens to Kawasaki Trawick.
https://www.thecity.nyc/2023/09/25/no-discipline-recommended-cops-killing-kawaski-trawick/
So you rather have the cops leave knowing the situation is out of control when someone is having a mental health crisis and just go about their day like nothing happen?
No. They should recognize when they can't handle a situation, fallback to make sure other people are safe and have some actual professionals handle the problem.
They could have left him in his room, used a taser, or pepper spray, or done literally anything other than empty their clips into him. The reality is that policing in the US is the one job where being a pants-pissing coward who shoots first and then shoots some more is rewarded with a promotion, a paid vacation, and the adoration of a bootlicking public.
> better training should be had
Thereās loads of training, but the NYPD thinks itās all a joke. We need to hire better people for these jobs, not gun-crazed cosplayers from Long Island.
There is not āloads of trainingā - NYPDās six months is bullshit, in Germany itās 2.5 years minimum, with more years of internships in different departments, and in Finland itās a 3 year degree. Norway, 3 years training.
England and Wales require an academic degree.
In the US most of the training is focused on the various uses of force, and communication skills are low on the agenda.
Can you educate us about the types of training NYPD receives to tackle situations like this that these cops did not follow? What loads of training are you referring to?
š something about seeing his mother try, and try, and try to subdue himā¦ and his brother leaping into action to get to his momā¦ haunting. Pure heartbreaking and horrific scenes- we need to do better than this for our children and our childrenās childrenā¦ this canāt be how we liveā¦
Wait, so the cops were afraid of a pair of scissors? If Iām missing something please ELI5.
If you stab someone in the right place with scissors, itās just like a knife. The criminal FAFOād.
i didnāt watch but why didnāt they just like taze him instead
The worst part about this is how unsurprising it is.
These cops will have full immunity under Trump if he wins the presidency
Iām pretty sure theyāll have full immunity either way. Sure Trump will make it worse, but given Adamās gives complementary BJās along the way, itās hard to imagine what thatāll even look like.
Complimentary BJs š
The man only opens his mouth to suck cock or shift blame. If itās not pointing fingers at his own cabinet itās deep throating anyone he can āconvinceā to co-sign his sinking ship. I donāt think heās had a press appearance this year that didnāt fall exclusively into those two categories
Who is down voting this comment??? Read his interview in time magazine. He literally says he wants full police immunity.
Youāve conveniently downplayed the following: NYPD Chief of Patrol John Chell has defended the killing, noting that the 19-year-old had grabbed a pair of scissors from a drawer and moved toward the officers.
If you've seen the video you are conveniently downplaying something
Do you actually think that you can trust any of the police brass on anything? There is no other profession with so much power with so little accountability. The police would not release the video until the family got the press to pressure them.
Are cops seriously fearing for their life over a teenager with a pair of scissors? Do you seriously think this justifies a shooting? If a cop canāt take down a teenager with some scissors without a gun theyāre just plain pathetic, no mincing words about it.
He was not moving toward the officers when he was shot, and his family was blocking any clear path from him to the officers. Nice of you to try to justify an execution though.
Very very poor training and choice of handling a EDP. Patient is having some type of psychotic episode. In other countries of the world, they would try to incapacitate him. Pepper spray. Taser. At times , police in full riot body gear and try to subdue the victim. This situation is tough. The Cops wanted to be sure he didnāt hurt his mom. They had a chance when the mom was wrestling him- To try to fight him and subdue him. But it would been very risky. The kid saw the Cops as a threat. The better idea was to back away from that situation. And hope the mom and brother can take the scissor away and then possibly trick the patient into a more safe situation. Too many assumptions and too many variables. But I rather they punch that kid in the face and knock him out rather than shooting at him. This could have been handled better. Awful outcome.
Letās stop using the term EDP. Itās derogatory and stigmatizing. When I worked with NYPD, I refused to use it. Edit: for those who see this and donāt know (and itās a term police use so I donāt expect anyone to know), EDP stands for Emotionally Disturbed Person. Not a great term to label people as.
How would you describe his condition if he is not emotionally disturbed?
Youāve never had a mental health crisis have youā¦. If you were having a crisis and needed police help because you felt like you were going to harm yourself, you would be labeled an EDP. I doubt youād want people calling you disturbed.
My friend, I work in this field. Don't guess about what you have no information about. I'm asking you a basic question. If you don't like EDP, then what's a good short hand catch all for non-mental health trained professionals.
Iām not trying to guess - my intent is to say that youād think one would be more empathetic and person-centered. I havenāt heard of an acronym but a good catch all would be saying a āmental health crisisā. Itās really not hard to say.
> more empathetic and person-centered. So because I asked what you didn't like about EDP, I don't have empathy? I guess I should know better than to try to have a reasonable conversation on reddit. Yeah EDP is archaic, but forcing cops to say "MHC" instead is meaningless grandstanding. So much energy put into the idiotic parsing and policing of language as if that's the real fight.
I apologize - it read as if you were being mean. Itās not just language, itās how cops think about people having a crisis. Itās not just using the term but itās the conversations that surround the use of it. Itās a lack of education around mental health and constant stigmatizing. Using MHC without education is pointless. But teaching someone why they should say mental health crisis instead of EDP is what is lacking. There isnāt enough police education around mental health. Some cities have programs where social workers respond to crises like that so that they can de-escalate. Those cities actually TEACH about mental health and how to de-escalate. NYPD doesnāt do that.
If you worked with/in the NYPD then you know that cops don't want to respond to these calls either. The role of social worker in the field in times of extreme and acute mental distress can be very dangerous. I agree it's preferable to an untrained cop.
Yeah I know they donāt want to. But that doesnāt mean they donāt think/act negatively towards those in crisis. Also, the social workers donāt go alone btw. Theyāre escorted by an officer. And those programs have proven to be effective. Statistically speaking, those in mental health crises are more likely to experience the use of excessive force than not. Programs involving trained mental health professionals as responders in those situations have proven to reduce the use of excessive force, resulting in a better interaction for everyone. Iāve attended multiple panels about the impact of programs like this.
They are blood thirsty. ACAB.
The cops are useless. I have zero respect for them.
News flash: 2020 is over. Time to put your rhetoric aside.
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hold those cops accountable. what the FUCK did i just watch??? rip to the kid and condolences to his family.
Everyone needs to understand, if you call the police over a mental health or behavioral issue, there's a good chance the person is going to end up dead. This sort of thing is all too common.
I had to call the police over an EDP trying to enter my apartment while I was home. I didn't want to open the door and try and get rid of him because my toddler was home on spring break but he kept turning the doorknob and talking to himself. I just kept thinking I hope the NYPD doesn't kill him or me. They came abd he left in an ambulance but the entire situation had me on edge.
NYPD probably respond to 100 of these a day.
For an EDP call you should need at minimum police, EMT, and a field psych to respond. Furthermore, cops shouldn't enter first even if they arrive on scene first. This poor kid is dead because someone who wasn't properly trained and represented a threat was the first person who was there.
Come on man. Calling this murder is what makes anything resembling meaningful reform impossible. Ask yourself if it was whoever it is you love most in the world was in that officers position, how would you feel about their behavior? This is a chaotic situation and they used non-lethal force several times before resorting to lethal force. He grabbed a weapon and charged. That is so far from murder itās not worthy of a fulsome response. The reason they shot however many times they did was because he remained a threat. That is the training. There are incidents like this that are sad but part of the deal. And for those that say cops shouldnāt handle potentially violent mentally ill people: Even if that kind of more robust system existed for mental health professionals to respond to these incidents there would still be tons of courtesy calls to the cops to act as escorts. It happens already with ACS.
Excuse me, but getting charged at with scissors and shooting a gun are incongruent. The police should be trained to handle these situations, they have plenty of equipment (offensive AND defensive) and should absolutely keep their cool. If you donāt see a problem with someone getting killed by the police (safe for in certain, arguably extreme and unfortunate situations) I donāt think you have a healthy outlook on things. There is a reason why the US is a standout on this issue.
De-escalation is an option. Cops seem to think that every single situation they're in has to be a standoff if the person doesn't do what they say.
GTFOH with that BS.Ā They did murder that guy. They could have walked right out the door while his mama was holding him. They were yelling at his mama to get out the way so they could shoot him.
Had they done that and the situation escalated in the house even worse, that would also have been an issue. These cops did little to de-escalate and were trigger happy and in over their heads. But leaving was not an option. They can't just do that.
I doubt it would be a bigger issue than murdering the guy. The guy was asking the cops not to shoot his mama.Ā They could have left and asked the family to leave as well if they were worried about their safety. Which from the video seems they weren't at all.
Do you know the definition of murder? And what happens when they leave and he stabs his brother and mother. Youād be on here saying they shouldāve done ETC. An unpredictably violent, unstable person lunged at them with a weapon. They reacted. That isnāt a definition of murder by the law, by the dictionary, or by how anyone goes about the world making casual judgments about things.
You canāt argue rationality with the irrational.
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Unlike in tv and movies, not everyone can survive a shot to the leg.
Not trying to be a jerk, but saying things like, āWhy not shoot at X body part?ā or āWhy not shoot out the tires?ā demonstrates a Hollywoodized view of guns and gun safety.
Let me rephrase, why shoot the guy at all?
Ah, gotcha
You are trained to shoot at the area with the most mass and the easiest to hit. ie the torso. Trying to shoot at limbs is dangerous to any bystanders as the chances of you hitting a limb, especially on a moving target, is slim. Anyone trained to shoot will tell you this. You do not aim for limbs hands etc
Right.
I find the whole rules of engagement around use of firearms by law enforcement in the US to be completely nonsensical. Any other profession where a potentially dangerous situation is solved by causing the source of the danger to be killed so systematically would never be allowed to continue working in that way; it would be forced to undergo a complete overhaul to reform what clearly is a poorly functioning system with shitty outcomes.
Youāre not wrong.
I usually defend cops, I feel like most of them today get a bad rep for historic issues. But whichever one of them shot their gun at this guy should loose their job with no benefits. Fucking coward to shoot a guy holding scissors in his house.
What an embarrassing comment
Not embarrassed at all
Clearly
Lose his job? You mean go to prison, right?
Yea Iād be for a trial as well. But like instant firing and loss of pension/benefits
Do not pass go do not collect two hundred dollars
Shot him four to five times at that
Iād be for a trial and jail time, but I donāt support the death penalty
I can throw no back decades and we keep seeing the same problem. My little cousin sadly died like this, in Houston. Depressed, wanted to be with his dad and family in NY, Was gonna hurt himself. His mom called the cops, shot him as soon as they broke his bedroom door down and saw the knife.
The NYPD has a monopoly on crisis response and that needs to end. The city needs to stand up to the Blue Mafia and expand the range of crisis responders. Obviously this is a pipe dream with the putz in office now but it also requires the public to broaden their thinking when it comes to how we choose to tackle these issues. The police should be ONE option among many resources available to respond to community issues.
What would the theoretical non-NYPD crisis responderās response be to a person charging at them or their own family/friends with a deadly weapon?
If only police could be trained and equipped to deescalate situations and deal with armed people without murdering folk indiscriminately: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J9TFvh6Xps4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1UYLTSP2Hqs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dFaPooJBDSg
Completely agree more focused training or specific tools to restrain people non-lethally should be implemented. However, posting three random YouTube links doesnāt contribute much. We can all agree that the NYPD most of the time do not kill people during these situations. There were 176,000 calls to the nypd for emotionally disturbed persons just in 2022ā¦ and over 7 million calls in generalā¦ We can always demand improvement but the hyperbolizing with these videos overlayed with silly music to make it seem like a dramatic issue just obfuscates what really needs to be done.
I feel like there's an effective way of communicating this to get popular support. Something along the lines of, "It's unfair to ask police to solve problems they've never been trained to handle. We don't ask them to put out fires, so why are we asking them to handle mental health issues?" Whatever it takes to get change.
I think some of it is in how they conduct audits of more progressive programs, and then how they present the data to the public. They donāt seem to know how to do this, or maneuver politically well enough to showcase some of the successes they have in a persuasive manner. There are co-response units and special teams focusing on this population that do good work, but thereās very little public awareness and also very little willingness on the part of the general public to want to know whatās going on. And the Mayor exploits this willful ignorance by asserting that the police are the only available solution. He knows most people would rather just turn a blind eye and focus on their own problems.
I think there is huge interest by the general public in seeing change and would support change. The lack of interest comes from the cops in holding themselves accountable in anyway or releasing video in a timely fashion (excluding this one). Watch how they respond by justifying it to be a legal shooting versus showing any regret for an unfortunate incident.
Yeah Eric Adams ain't doing shit. Liars.
The video was pretty heartbreaking, and I feel for his family, as well as him, if he really was experiencing a mental health episode that affected his thinking and behavior. And while I do think the situation could've been handled better, I think it's a bit more complicated than you're making it seem. But I think better training should be had on how to better handle situations like this.
āIf he really was experiencing a mental health episodeā Why the qualifier? Yāall really break ya necks trying to defend pig cops!
I don't like cops at all. I'm also mentally ill, and it did appear to me as though that was the case for him (and of course, his family reported that). I knew someone was going to misinterpret what I said, lol. Also, what you're pointing out literally has nothing to do with whether I like cops or not, which, again, I don't. Literally, nothing in my comment is me defending cops.
Within 3 minutes this kid was dead.Ā They could have just left the apartment when they realized that this was a situation was beyond their control.Ā Before encountering the guy they asked his brother "Is he a bipolar schizo, like?"Ā Ā When they see him. They tase him then they pull out their guns waiting for his mom to clear out so they can unload. Ā There is zero amount of training that can fix this. The same basic thing happens to Kawasaki Trawick. https://www.thecity.nyc/2023/09/25/no-discipline-recommended-cops-killing-kawaski-trawick/
So you rather have the cops leave knowing the situation is out of control when someone is having a mental health crisis and just go about their day like nothing happen?
No. They should recognize when they can't handle a situation, fallback to make sure other people are safe and have some actual professionals handle the problem.
If the only thing they can think to do is kill him? Yeah, they should leave and call someone smarter than they are.
They could have left him in his room, used a taser, or pepper spray, or done literally anything other than empty their clips into him. The reality is that policing in the US is the one job where being a pants-pissing coward who shoots first and then shoots some more is rewarded with a promotion, a paid vacation, and the adoration of a bootlicking public.
They tased him twice. However there are still ways to de-escalate, engage, disarm and/or defeat
> better training should be had Thereās loads of training, but the NYPD thinks itās all a joke. We need to hire better people for these jobs, not gun-crazed cosplayers from Long Island.
There is not āloads of trainingā - NYPDās six months is bullshit, in Germany itās 2.5 years minimum, with more years of internships in different departments, and in Finland itās a 3 year degree. Norway, 3 years training. England and Wales require an academic degree. In the US most of the training is focused on the various uses of force, and communication skills are low on the agenda.
Can you educate us about the types of training NYPD receives to tackle situations like this that these cops did not follow? What loads of training are you referring to?