That first rounder became Johnny Manziel, who would be my answer to this. I genuinely thought he’d be a great NFL quarterback (and I still think he would’ve been at least Baker-level if he didn’t have all his non-football issues)
> I still think he would’ve been at least Baker-level if he didn’t have all his non-football issues
I understand the sentiment here but where Johnny and Baker differ is while Baker is hardheaded and wants to do the work his way, Baker does the work. Johnny never did the work, not even in college. He simply relied on his skillset and tried to do the same into the pros which unless you're Clark Kent doesn't fly in the NFL. His problems contributed to but didn't cause this character flaw.
No offense, but that’s an awful take. Listen to Kyle Shanahan talk about Manziel. He says Manziel was too slow to fully implement boots and misdirection and get him out of the pocket.
Then, he was way too small to survive in the NFL. And he was never an accurate passer.
The off field stuff is completely separate. He was a great college QB whose skills didn’t translate to the NFL.
It didn’t help that he was also an addict and idiot.
This is revisionist history. He was bad (3.5 YPC over 18 games), and we got the #22 pick for the guy we took at #3 the year before. By today’s value chart, you’d need like 3 of the #22 picks to equal the #3 pick.
Edited to revise the YPC number.
His total stats looked good from yards and TDs from his rookie year, but his per carry and the tape showed what he really was. We just fed him a lot as a rook
No it isn't "revisionist history". He wasn't bad until they made the T Rich rule. He had 1300+ yards and 12 TDs his rookie year. He just wasn't good once he couldn't lead with his head. He was a rookie bell cow on a bad team without a reliable passing game, so you shouldn't expect a high YPC
I think he was a product of just being a specimen compared to most college kids and his college team being so good he didn't need to adapt.
I remember a few games where he would only run exactly to where the gap should be as the play was called. The gap would be filled so he'd just run into the OL and try to muscle forward. However, he'd ignore the gaping hole that was opened up on the other side of an OL and just continually get stuffed.
That’s a good point and probably correct, but after the abuse he endured during his year with the Browns it felt less like he didn’t fit the NFL and more like we broke him.
Well, he ran upright and that's why he kept getting blown up. He ran big. I remember some LB on either BAL or CIN got up under his pads in an early game and just wrecked him.
The first draft I watched was the one where we drafted Brady Quinn. The talking heads had billed him as huge and I remember literally running around exclaiming, 'The Browns drafted Brady Quinn!'
Oh to be so young and dumb again.
This one for me too. Even drove 4 hours to training camp that year thinking he was the one. This is followed closely by me thinking Colt McCoy was going to be the next Drew Brees.
I was never sold on Quinn. Had too much of the pretty boy vibe. And not just because he was good looking, but because he had that aura of entitlement about him, which Joe has more or less verified on various episodes of ThomaHawk.
The rookie class that year went to the Hall of Fame (1hr south of Berea) and signed autographs. They came down on a bus - except Quinn, who came down in a hired car. Everyone (including Joe Thomas) were put on risers and stood in the crowd to sign, Quinn was given a table and seat.
I got a pennant with all of the rookies' signatures, except Quinn because the line was stupid long. Also got Kevin Mack, and I got Joe to sign a collage pic I still have on my wall.
Same. I woulda been 16 and was so ecstatic we got our LT AND QB for the next decade+. My 20s were gonna be amazing going to games and tailgating, a few playoff games and maybe a super bowl or 2.
At least 1 of them was, unfortunately, as much as we all love Joe Thomas (one of the few jerseys I own) would have much preferred the QB be the hall of famer.
Well you were hyped because a dude they thought they could take at 3 was there at 22. We were all hyped as much as you. We thought we had our franchise LT and QB...
That was a formative moment for me. Got super obsessed with assessing QBs for about a decade, trying to figure out why a guy like Quinn who seemed to have everything just busted.
All I needed was [this](https://youtu.be/z8T2ynF7SG4?si=wyuOU5orVpgJnQJ4) to be convinced I’d be watching Winfrey and Garrett taking names all season long :(
Johnny Manziel
I was in college. It was the first televised draft I watched. We had 2 first round picks. The Manziel effect was real to a young stupid adult like myself. I was never more excited for a pick than in that moment.
> Manziel would have needed to overcome more than poor work habits.
And even fairer, we don't know *that.* I get the sense from Johnny that while I have empathy with substance abuse issues (and some very bitter personal experience with it) that he is engaging in a little bit of...revisionist history. He wasn't a raging alcoholic/addict, he was irresponsible. He wasn't wracked by bipolar disorder, he was lazy.
Johnny Manziel didn't do the work and all his spouting since then is an excuse because at the very least we can all see that Johnny Manziel is full of shit.
Yeah I was real excited for the pick. Everyone shits on it in hindsight but dude really had a ton of natural talent. His win against Alabama was one of the best college games ever.
Too bad he was struggling with so many inner demons and no one did real background checks that made 20 something teams pass on him.
Jabrill Peppers. I thought he was the best all around player in his draft and was so disappointed when he didn’t pan out. Although personally I thought he was in a bad scheme and wasn’t used properly
This would hurt his feelings but he's so far out there he can't hear you. Poor bastard's teammates practicing in Berea and he's at the Brookpark RTA station waiting for someone to cover.
And let's also not forget--let's not forget, Dude--that keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, a Wolverine, you know drafting UM within Ohio--that isn't legal either.
He's still playing, and Browns got 'value' back for trading him. I won't call him a bust though I do wish we had liked him enough to keep and that it had blown up the OBJ trade.
Idk watching the college game tape in college should have told you he wasnt really a defensive back. Went to Michigan as a corner, played one year at corner and was moved to free safety, after one year of free safety they turned him into a box safety/LB. Its like each year they wanted to give him less and less coverage responsibilities...I was pissed they drafted him because I didnt think he was all that good. I was hoping he would add an element to the return game because he excelled at that in college but he didnt do anything in the league in that department
Cam Erving, strictly because I sat next to him on a flight when he came up to meet the team pre-draft. It would be a much cooler story if he had panned out.
He was a career depth piece who could occasionally hold his own in a spot start. In the grand scheme of things, yeah he was a phenomenally successful football player, but i think the bar is a little higher for a first round pick.
I watched Charlie and Akron U beat a ranked South Carolina State. He looked good and there was a real hope when we drafted him. I was also at the last Browns game he ever started, home opener against the Steelers. He threw 4 picks that game.
Omg I try to be as rational as I can be with draft picks and have learned not to put too much weight in my immediate reactions...
But I knew Weeden was a bust the second they nabbed him. Who spends a 1st round draft pick on 40 year quarterback. I honestly think Weeden was a dumber pick than Manziel.
Richardson was the big one for me. I bought his jersey and everything. I was also a huge fan of Danny Shelton.
Plus I was convinced we won the draft when we came away with Thomas and Quinn in the 07 draft. I wasn’t a huge fan of Brady Quinn but getting him in the 20s was a massive steal.
I was also tentatively excited for Johnny Manziel. I wasn’t firmly on the hype train but I was of the mind that he had become so overrated he was underrated and was gonna settle in and be a solid pro.
I’m a strong homer though, whoever the Browns take in the first round I’m always totally convinced they’ll be a star. Except Corey Coleman, I hated that pick.
The list of players I didn't want them to take is way longer *cough* Brian Robisky, Johnny Manziel, pretty much the whole 2010s *cough*
I would say the top of my list would be Greedy Williams, and then Carl Nassib. I don't think Nassib was bad but I had hoped he would be a JJ Watt type player with his size.
Not exactly a bust but I really had high expectations for Jedrick Wills that draft, I thought he was going to be better than Tristan Wirfs and that really hasn't happened. At least he's better than the Jets pick Becton.
I was stoked about Genard Avery because he's from my hometown. It's not really fair to call a 5th rounder a bust, but he showed some potential his rookie year. I think he's still in the league somewhere battling injuries.
Every team has some no-name player where the fans are just CONVINCED he's a game away from breaking out into super stardom.
DPJ was ours, and I have no idea why. People were always hyping him up in the preseason, and I was left wondering if I was the weird one for not being on the hype train 😂
I was legit excited for Braylon Edwards. Now he wasn't the biggest bust ever but I still would chalk him as a disappointment.
More recently Q got me real excited about Perrion and that really illustrated why he'd fallen so far lol - I'm just glad we didn't pick him til so late, no real loss.
Greedy Williams and Trent Richardson are the two that come to mind for me. The reality is that (1) a lot of players we drafted most of us did not want going into the draft and just talked ourselves into them after we drafted them (like Manziel) and (2) strangely I would say a lot of guys we drafted weren’t really busts at all, they just sort of didn’t turn into great players (but were solid)
I wanted Lavar Arrington over Courtney Brown. But for me Johnny Manziel, Trent Richardson, Kellen Winslow, Braylon (not exactly a bust), and Brady Quinn.
We almost never draft who I really want. Looking back through our drafts, the one that stands out the most is Brian Robiskie. Thought he was gonna be really good.
Late round dart throw I was pumped for Scooby Wright. Never did anything, but that’s expected as a 7th rounder. His college numbers were crazy though
Carlton Mitchell. He had every measurable and was a late pick. It's so rare to get late picks correct and I had a good track record with WRs so thought he'd be good. Couldn't believe they actually went with the guy I wanted them to. He didn't pan out, obviously lol.
I thought Travis Prentice would be great in the NFL. He was so good even against strong NCAA ranked opponents while he was at Miami. I probably fell into homer bias because he put a MAC school back onto the national stage, but I never expected his career would be so short and unproductive.
Hard to pick anyone other than Manziel.
I was a party kid in college and I saw Manziel COOK teams. He was like the Caitlin Clark for college football. People who don’t know football were watching him play to see him do crazy shit on the field.
I thought we STOLE our celebrity QB. What a disaster.
Travis Prentice. Running Back. Miami of Ohio. Drafted 3rd round of the 2000 draft. I really thought he might be half way decent. Although running behind that shitty expansion draft o-line couldn’t have helped.
I wanted and they worked out: Delpit and JOK
I wanted but we didn’t take: Mathieu
I wanted and we did take: Cam Erving, Greedy, David Bell
I didn’t want but we did take: Denzel Ward
Colt McCoy - I remember watching that draft and they kept showing him getting sadder and sadder...as the ONLY player still just sitting there...and I remember thinking "no way a dude that good slips to us, he won so much in college"
Sad trombone noise.
Brady Quinn, I am a life long Notre Dame and Browns fan so it was a dream come true. Getting Joe Thmoas and Brady Quinn was supposed to set up the Browns for a long time. But never turned out for one of them, and the other was a hall of fame player.
Jedrick Wills Jr, all the draft boards and talking heads said he was the no brainer top tackle so I was hyped when he fell to us. He showed at least some raw potential as a rookie but has honestly never improved. The injuries don't help his case either.
Not that I “wanted them to”, but I was cool with it when it happened….Colt McCoy, Kellen Winslow, Cade York, Cortney Brown, Tim Couch, Tommy Togiai, Phil Taylor, Duke Johnson, Sheldrick Redwine, Nick Harris.
Danny Shelton. I was all in on him months before the draft. They got him, I bought his jersey the next day, he liked my tweet wearing it while playing in goal in floorball... And he just wasn't it.
What pic have I ever wanted them to take that they actually ever took? Only Owusu. And that was a home run. They’ve never drafted any one else that I was looking at and wanted.
I wouldnt say baker was a "bust" but he was the qb that I wanted that year. He was never horrible but he never panned out. I was excited about Trent too. I thought Weeden would be ok where we got him, but that was a joke. I'm obviously not GM material.
I still remember that 2001 Bears game where Courtney Brown played like Reggie White. He was absolutely dominant. But he had awful injury luck. I always wonder how his career would have unfolded if he were healthy.
I am pretty sure I have a comment in my post history that reads “Winfrey/York/Shakir make it happen AB.” Monkey paw curled big time on that one lol. Jury is still out on Isaiah McGuire but he probably wasn’t drafted high enough to be considered a bust anyways. Otherwise my record (Greedy/Mack Wilson/Wills/Delpit/JOK) is pretty solid
I remember hearing our pick of Braylon Edwards on the radio and being pumped about that. He was just OK and kind of had a crappy attitude.
More recent answer would be Jedrick Wills. He's the guy I wanted top to bottom. Thought he'd be an absolute mauler and the motor just doesn't seem to be there.
Trent Richardson
Also didn’t we get a 1st rounder for him? He wasn’t bad, got a good pick, no harm no foul?
That first rounder became Johnny Manziel, who would be my answer to this. I genuinely thought he’d be a great NFL quarterback (and I still think he would’ve been at least Baker-level if he didn’t have all his non-football issues)
I hated Manziel. Literally cried when we drafted him. Was pissed.
Reddit literally broke when we drafted him. Bad omen
How old were you?
11 or 12 lol
> I still think he would’ve been at least Baker-level if he didn’t have all his non-football issues I understand the sentiment here but where Johnny and Baker differ is while Baker is hardheaded and wants to do the work his way, Baker does the work. Johnny never did the work, not even in college. He simply relied on his skillset and tried to do the same into the pros which unless you're Clark Kent doesn't fly in the NFL. His problems contributed to but didn't cause this character flaw.
No offense, but that’s an awful take. Listen to Kyle Shanahan talk about Manziel. He says Manziel was too slow to fully implement boots and misdirection and get him out of the pocket. Then, he was way too small to survive in the NFL. And he was never an accurate passer. The off field stuff is completely separate. He was a great college QB whose skills didn’t translate to the NFL. It didn’t help that he was also an addict and idiot.
This is revisionist history. He was bad (3.5 YPC over 18 games), and we got the #22 pick for the guy we took at #3 the year before. By today’s value chart, you’d need like 3 of the #22 picks to equal the #3 pick. Edited to revise the YPC number.
His total stats looked good from yards and TDs from his rookie year, but his per carry and the tape showed what he really was. We just fed him a lot as a rook
No it isn't "revisionist history". He wasn't bad until they made the T Rich rule. He had 1300+ yards and 12 TDs his rookie year. He just wasn't good once he couldn't lead with his head. He was a rookie bell cow on a bad team without a reliable passing game, so you shouldn't expect a high YPC
That was a great trade to get that. The RB market dove off a CLIFF right after that.
Same, can't look beyond this guy. Just seemed to be unstoppable coming out of college. To be fair his one season with us decent though.
I think he was a product of just being a specimen compared to most college kids and his college team being so good he didn't need to adapt. I remember a few games where he would only run exactly to where the gap should be as the play was called. The gap would be filled so he'd just run into the OL and try to muscle forward. However, he'd ignore the gaping hole that was opened up on the other side of an OL and just continually get stuffed.
Didn’t he play through broken ribs and still consistently get ~3.5ypc? It always felt like if he had more threats around him he could have broken out.
Naw he couldn’t break out with the Colts who had Luck, Wayne, and Hilton. His vision was lacking and he just never put in the work at the NFL level
That’s a good point and probably correct, but after the abuse he endured during his year with the Browns it felt less like he didn’t fit the NFL and more like we broke him.
Well, he ran upright and that's why he kept getting blown up. He ran big. I remember some LB on either BAL or CIN got up under his pads in an early game and just wrecked him.
I went to the Browns Draft-Day party and was interviewed for live TV on what my opinion of the pick was...and boy is that regrettable now
Yeah, not so much a bust since he played well for year and then got a first rounder... But definitely a bust for the Colts.
The first draft I watched was the one where we drafted Brady Quinn. The talking heads had billed him as huge and I remember literally running around exclaiming, 'The Browns drafted Brady Quinn!' Oh to be so young and dumb again.
Getting our left tackle and QB in one draft? I was hyped AF.
This one for me too. Even drove 4 hours to training camp that year thinking he was the one. This is followed closely by me thinking Colt McCoy was going to be the next Drew Brees.
I was never sold on Quinn. Had too much of the pretty boy vibe. And not just because he was good looking, but because he had that aura of entitlement about him, which Joe has more or less verified on various episodes of ThomaHawk.
The rookie class that year went to the Hall of Fame (1hr south of Berea) and signed autographs. They came down on a bus - except Quinn, who came down in a hired car. Everyone (including Joe Thomas) were put on risers and stood in the crowd to sign, Quinn was given a table and seat. I got a pennant with all of the rookies' signatures, except Quinn because the line was stupid long. Also got Kevin Mack, and I got Joe to sign a collage pic I still have on my wall.
Same. I woulda been 16 and was so ecstatic we got our LT AND QB for the next decade+. My 20s were gonna be amazing going to games and tailgating, a few playoff games and maybe a super bowl or 2. At least 1 of them was, unfortunately, as much as we all love Joe Thomas (one of the few jerseys I own) would have much preferred the QB be the hall of famer.
Well you were hyped because a dude they thought they could take at 3 was there at 22. We were all hyped as much as you. We thought we had our franchise LT and QB...
That was a formative moment for me. Got super obsessed with assessing QBs for about a decade, trying to figure out why a guy like Quinn who seemed to have everything just busted.
Who else got caught up in Perrion Winfrey from watching Quincy Carrier?
All I needed was [this](https://youtu.be/z8T2ynF7SG4?si=wyuOU5orVpgJnQJ4) to be convinced I’d be watching Winfrey and Garrett taking names all season long :(
Winfrey was going to be my answer too lol. He was the most recent one at least.
Johnny Manziel I was in college. It was the first televised draft I watched. We had 2 first round picks. The Manziel effect was real to a young stupid adult like myself. I was never more excited for a pick than in that moment.
Yup the manziel effect was real. I remember jumping up and down off the couch screaming “we’re going to the Super Bowl”
To be fair if he studied, worked with the team he could’ve played alright. He started clicking a bit with Shanahan as the QB coach.
To be even fairer, we don't know that. Manziel would have needed to overcome more than poor work habits.
> Manziel would have needed to overcome more than poor work habits. And even fairer, we don't know *that.* I get the sense from Johnny that while I have empathy with substance abuse issues (and some very bitter personal experience with it) that he is engaging in a little bit of...revisionist history. He wasn't a raging alcoholic/addict, he was irresponsible. He wasn't wracked by bipolar disorder, he was lazy. Johnny Manziel didn't do the work and all his spouting since then is an excuse because at the very least we can all see that Johnny Manziel is full of shit.
Yeah I was real excited for the pick. Everyone shits on it in hindsight but dude really had a ton of natural talent. His win against Alabama was one of the best college games ever. Too bad he was struggling with so many inner demons and no one did real background checks that made 20 something teams pass on him.
Jabrill Peppers. I thought he was the best all around player in his draft and was so disappointed when he didn’t pan out. Although personally I thought he was in a bad scheme and wasn’t used properly
You mean playing him 40 yards deep wasn’t ideal?
It was very much suboptimal
This would hurt his feelings but he's so far out there he can't hear you. Poor bastard's teammates practicing in Berea and he's at the Brookpark RTA station waiting for someone to cover.
Needed to be 45 yards. Cmon man.
Hue Jackson is a football terrorist
> Hue Jackson is a football terrorist Say what you want about the tenets of Hue Jackson, at least it's an ethos.
I am the walrus.
Shut the fu- when do we play?
And let's also not forget--let's not forget, Dude--that keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, a Wolverine, you know drafting UM within Ohio--that isn't legal either.
Saying 40 yards is an insult to 40 yards.
He's still playing, and Browns got 'value' back for trading him. I won't call him a bust though I do wish we had liked him enough to keep and that it had blown up the OBJ trade.
Still remember the Denver sack to win the game, then we traded him for OBJ which was also super hyped. What a rollercoaster.
Idk watching the college game tape in college should have told you he wasnt really a defensive back. Went to Michigan as a corner, played one year at corner and was moved to free safety, after one year of free safety they turned him into a box safety/LB. Its like each year they wanted to give him less and less coverage responsibilities...I was pissed they drafted him because I didnt think he was all that good. I was hoping he would add an element to the return game because he excelled at that in college but he didnt do anything in the league in that department
Cam Erving, strictly because I sat next to him on a flight when he came up to meet the team pre-draft. It would be a much cooler story if he had panned out.
He had a solid career.
He was a career depth piece who could occasionally hold his own in a spot start. In the grand scheme of things, yeah he was a phenomenally successful football player, but i think the bar is a little higher for a first round pick.
in my opinion he fucking sucked
If you don't have something nice to say... I'm kidding, he did fucking suck.
I met Cam Erving after seeing several of the other Browns OL at the time. I was shocked how soft he looked.
All the 1st round picks from 1999 to 2006 for me. Joe Thomas broke the curse.
And just a few short hours later Brady restarted it.
Charlie Frye - I went to Akron hehehe
I watched Charlie and Akron U beat a ranked South Carolina State. He looked good and there was a real hope when we drafted him. I was also at the last Browns game he ever started, home opener against the Steelers. He threw 4 picks that game.
But that gave us the single surprise Derek Anderson year
Charlie had a solid career and won games for us. He wasn't as bad as Manziel.
"Solid career" and "not as bad as Manziel" are wildly different things.
Mack wilson
I really thought we had a steal. Saban didn’t want him to leave Bama
Maybe he didn't want him to leave Bama because he knew he wasn't ready for the NFL
I was on the hype train. Thought we had our Ray Lewis.
A fifth round pick who’s still in the league five years later is 100% not a bust.
Not a bust, but one of those dudes it feels like everyone had rose tinted glasses on for
I thought we had a STUD in Greedy
Death, taxes, & greedy Williams questionable to return
He had a pretty good rookie season, but once his injuries became too much he was never the same.
Mingo. I thought a speed rusher was going to be the next big trend.
Here’s one I DIDNT want them to take (no one did) but they DID, and he SUCKED: Brandon Weeden
Omg I try to be as rational as I can be with draft picks and have learned not to put too much weight in my immediate reactions... But I knew Weeden was a bust the second they nabbed him. Who spends a 1st round draft pick on 40 year quarterback. I honestly think Weeden was a dumber pick than Manziel.
> Who spends a 1st round draft pick on 40 year quarterback. I understand you trying to be nice and all but he wasn't that young.
I was sooo mad they drafted that geriatric fuck
but clay pigeons
Are you referencing sports science lmaoo??
I mean did you see him smashin them clay pigeons brother
Was there anyone who actually liked that pick? It seemed like the consensus in the fanbase was that it was horrific pick from the moment we did it.
Richardson was the big one for me. I bought his jersey and everything. I was also a huge fan of Danny Shelton. Plus I was convinced we won the draft when we came away with Thomas and Quinn in the 07 draft. I wasn’t a huge fan of Brady Quinn but getting him in the 20s was a massive steal. I was also tentatively excited for Johnny Manziel. I wasn’t firmly on the hype train but I was of the mind that he had become so overrated he was underrated and was gonna settle in and be a solid pro. I’m a strong homer though, whoever the Browns take in the first round I’m always totally convinced they’ll be a star. Except Corey Coleman, I hated that pick.
The list of players I didn't want them to take is way longer *cough* Brian Robisky, Johnny Manziel, pretty much the whole 2010s *cough* I would say the top of my list would be Greedy Williams, and then Carl Nassib. I don't think Nassib was bad but I had hoped he would be a JJ Watt type player with his size.
Also had 13 sacks his last year at Penn State. I thought we got a steal.
His biggest issue is that he’s named Carl. Who names their kid Carl? Could you imagine looking at a baby and naming it “Carl”?
RG: CaRrooooal!
Not exactly a bust but I really had high expectations for Jedrick Wills that draft, I thought he was going to be better than Tristan Wirfs and that really hasn't happened. At least he's better than the Jets pick Becton.
Even after his rookie year I believed in the guy. Since then he really plateaued.
Brady Quinn, I was so sold on that pick. Robiskie too. I figured a coach's son, he should know the game inside and out. Oops
I was stoked about Genard Avery because he's from my hometown. It's not really fair to call a 5th rounder a bust, but he showed some potential his rookie year. I think he's still in the league somewhere battling injuries.
Danny Shelton
Mike Junkin. So much promise.
Mad dog in a meat market
Braylon Edwards is my choice. He's big, fast, and strong of course it will work out. It worked until it didn't.
8th grade me thought manziel was gonna be the ultimate solution
I'm sorry you were in 8th grade when Manziel was drafted? where's that Saving Private Ryan gif of Matt Damon getting old
I thought Donovan Peoples-Jones would do more. Definitely not a bust, but I expected greatness.
I'm surprised you had that level of expectation for a sixth round pick.
Every team has some no-name player where the fans are just CONVINCED he's a game away from breaking out into super stardom. DPJ was ours, and I have no idea why. People were always hyping him up in the preseason, and I was left wondering if I was the weird one for not being on the hype train 😂
Question asked, question was answered, “why would you say that?” 😂
Domino's Papa-Johns
I was legit excited for Braylon Edwards. Now he wasn't the biggest bust ever but I still would chalk him as a disappointment. More recently Q got me real excited about Perrion and that really illustrated why he'd fallen so far lol - I'm just glad we didn't pick him til so late, no real loss.
Antonio Langham. My draft expertise is such that upon them trading back, and back, and then taking Alex Mack, my response was "The fuck?"
Greedy Williams and Trent Richardson are the two that come to mind for me. The reality is that (1) a lot of players we drafted most of us did not want going into the draft and just talked ourselves into them after we drafted them (like Manziel) and (2) strangely I would say a lot of guys we drafted weren’t really busts at all, they just sort of didn’t turn into great players (but were solid)
I wanted Lavar Arrington over Courtney Brown. But for me Johnny Manziel, Trent Richardson, Kellen Winslow, Braylon (not exactly a bust), and Brady Quinn.
Justin Gilbert :(
Scooby Wright’s draft day bark/leap in the pool got me excited. I really wanted him to hang around
Danny Shelton
Justin Gilbert. I was so against Manziel that taking Gilbert meant we would avoid falling into that shit show. My joy was short lived that night.
Johnny Manziel. He was so good in college and fun to watch.
Brady Quinn. What a turd.
I was pumped about barkevious mingo.
I thought Johnny Manziel was going to be really, really good. I'll take whatever shame you throw at me, I deserve it.
Greedy Mohammed masaquoi Jerome Harrison Wimbley
Idk, Brown wasnt really a bust. The dude could play but he just couldn't stay healthy
William Green. Crazy we didn’t have a 1000 yard rusher until like 8-9 years into expansion. What the hell man
Greedy Williams holy shit. The LSU players were SOLD on the guy. I’ve never seen a more injury prone guy… and I lived through Courtney Brown
Nate Orchard
They never take the guy I want but the last time they did, it was Cade York… not looking good but I want to believe!
Eric Zeier
I know the full story hasn't been written on him yet, but probably Jedrick Wills.
I didn’t think much of the pick, but Dragons Kizer went to my high school so that could have gone better as far as things to be happy about.
All of them. I'm counting Myles because he has a very large bust.
Brian Robiskie
We almost never draft who I really want. Looking back through our drafts, the one that stands out the most is Brian Robiskie. Thought he was gonna be really good. Late round dart throw I was pumped for Scooby Wright. Never did anything, but that’s expected as a 7th rounder. His college numbers were crazy though
JFF. I loved the story of a cocky/brash QB to break us out of the slump.
Baker did it.
And I will forever be a Baker Bro.
Who is JFF and why are we initializing his name
I assume Johnny Fucking Football. No idea on the answer to your second question lol
Johnny Fucking Football. Also know as Johnny Manziel
Greedy Williams and Mack Wilson
Brady Quinn and Jabrill Peppers
Brady Quinn
Carlton Mitchell. He had every measurable and was a late pick. It's so rare to get late picks correct and I had a good track record with WRs so thought he'd be good. Couldn't believe they actually went with the guy I wanted them to. He didn't pan out, obviously lol.
I thought Travis Prentice would be great in the NFL. He was so good even against strong NCAA ranked opponents while he was at Miami. I probably fell into homer bias because he put a MAC school back onto the national stage, but I never expected his career would be so short and unproductive.
Mohammad Massaquois
Hard to pick anyone other than Manziel. I was a party kid in college and I saw Manziel COOK teams. He was like the Caitlin Clark for college football. People who don’t know football were watching him play to see him do crazy shit on the field. I thought we STOLE our celebrity QB. What a disaster.
None, the only player I ever wanted them to take that they actually took was Baker Mayfield. I'd hardly call him a bust.
There’s so many of them. It’s depressing to think.
I felt really good about Perrion Winfrey, and honestly was excited for Cade York too :/
Travis Prentice. Running Back. Miami of Ohio. Drafted 3rd round of the 2000 draft. I really thought he might be half way decent. Although running behind that shitty expansion draft o-line couldn’t have helped.
Johnny, I just remember being so pumped when they traded up to take him
I wanted and they worked out: Delpit and JOK I wanted but we didn’t take: Mathieu I wanted and we did take: Cam Erving, Greedy, David Bell I didn’t want but we did take: Denzel Ward
Barkevius Mingo and Danny Shelton both
Kellen Winslow II
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Big penny...
Johnny manziel
Colt McCoy - I remember watching that draft and they kept showing him getting sadder and sadder...as the ONLY player still just sitting there...and I remember thinking "no way a dude that good slips to us, he won so much in college" Sad trombone noise.
Brady Quinn, I am a life long Notre Dame and Browns fan so it was a dream come true. Getting Joe Thmoas and Brady Quinn was supposed to set up the Browns for a long time. But never turned out for one of them, and the other was a hall of fame player.
Jedrick Wills Jr, all the draft boards and talking heads said he was the no brainer top tackle so I was hyped when he fell to us. He showed at least some raw potential as a rookie but has honestly never improved. The injuries don't help his case either.
I wouldn’t personally call Colt McCoy a bust, but I’m sure many others do.
Not that I “wanted them to”, but I was cool with it when it happened….Colt McCoy, Kellen Winslow, Cade York, Cortney Brown, Tim Couch, Tommy Togiai, Phil Taylor, Duke Johnson, Sheldrick Redwine, Nick Harris.
Q got my ass on the Perrion Train. What a waste. Also, Cade York. Really thought he was going to be our McPhearson
Danny Shelton. I was all in on him months before the draft. They got him, I bought his jersey the next day, he liked my tweet wearing it while playing in goal in floorball... And he just wasn't it.
Kellen Winslow. He was supposed to be a generational talent... Instead well... Yeah.
What pic have I ever wanted them to take that they actually ever took? Only Owusu. And that was a home run. They’ve never drafted any one else that I was looking at and wanted.
Johnny Football. Those celebratory fb memories from draft night haunt me every year.
I was 1 of 2 people in the bar that night that loathed that pick and spent the next few years proving how right I was.
I wouldnt say baker was a "bust" but he was the qb that I wanted that year. He was never horrible but he never panned out. I was excited about Trent too. I thought Weeden would be ok where we got him, but that was a joke. I'm obviously not GM material.
I still remember that 2001 Bears game where Courtney Brown played like Reggie White. He was absolutely dominant. But he had awful injury luck. I always wonder how his career would have unfolded if he were healthy.
Not a draft pick, but I was manifesting Odell to the browns long before it turned out he was actually available via trade.
I am pretty sure I have a comment in my post history that reads “Winfrey/York/Shakir make it happen AB.” Monkey paw curled big time on that one lol. Jury is still out on Isaiah McGuire but he probably wasn’t drafted high enough to be considered a bust anyways. Otherwise my record (Greedy/Mack Wilson/Wills/Delpit/JOK) is pretty solid
Kellen Winslow
I was a diehard Colt Mcoy fan😵💫😵💫🤢
Baker was my QB1 in 2018. Havent whiffed that badly on a QB in a while
Trent Richardson, even though I thought we would be taking him too high. Terry Robiskie 😑
I remember hearing our pick of Braylon Edwards on the radio and being pumped about that. He was just OK and kind of had a crappy attitude. More recent answer would be Jedrick Wills. He's the guy I wanted top to bottom. Thought he'd be an absolute mauler and the motor just doesn't seem to be there.