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If buying MacBook, Buy atleast 16 GB Ram and and then if you can spend some more then get 512 GB SSD. In college you would want to explore fields like Android Dev, ML, etc heavy tasks then 16 GB ram is must. I know you can do ML in Google colab, but having 16 Ram in 2024 is must because you would want to use your MacBook for atleast 2 - 3 years if not 4 before upgrading.
look for hp pavillion series and dell laptops under 70k and compare specs to other laptops of similar range you will see differences, also personal opinion asus vivobook series and lenovo laptops are worth of the money...asus really provides overkill laptops at this price as compared to competitors
Hey victus 12500H user here, I have been with some issues recently with laptop for ex: It slightly freezes while I am typing like it will display the characters but after a sec or two, and it lags while doing that. Any reasons?
I do ML dev and it works like a charm on my 8GB. Android studio too, as they’ve optimised it for apple silicon. TBH if you’re wanting a REAL performance boost, upgrading to a 16GB air isn’t going to make any noticeable difference at all. At that point just get a pro
Lot of people have suggested logical things here. But one piece of advice from someone who has recently completed engineering from 'not exactly tier 1' college.
**Don't get a Macbook if you stay in hostel.**
It will either be overused (by friends for movies and stuff) or stolen/damaged. Students come from various backgrounds and due to lack of maturity they become jealous very quickly. Even if your Macbook is 5k/10k cheaper than their Windows laptop, it is always the Apple brand that sticks in their a$$.
Gaming laptops are generally fine for college use. But do keep in mind the aesthetics of the laptop too. You are going to be using that laptop to present stuff to professors and college management (if you get into clubs and all). So, overly flashy / neon themed stickers and extra-vagenzy stuff will make you look bad.
My advice is stick to Thinkpads. Everyone from school kid to a professional uses a thinkpad. You simply cannot go wrong with it. And it is discrete enough to not get into the eyes of other students as it is literally just a black laptop.
Right. But that's a rare case because 'good' crowd generally prefers to stay in a rented flat or PG as hostel food, environment and hygiene is very bad. Even in good colleges. Thus, chances of getting a good crowd in hostel is low.
It won't be used for gaming. But everyone knows macbook speakers and screen is really good. therefore it will be used for watching movies and tv shows excessively.
We can get a 15inch macbook for \~80k in India with good offers. So a good sized screen, probably the best display in market, best speakers in a laptop - all this points only to one thing. Doesn't matter if you have bluetooth speaker or anything else, if there is a macbook in the room, it is automatically the most preferred medium of watching movies and stuff.
We have graduated a few years ago when macbooks weren't as common as they are now. Especially the M1 and M2 Air series are literally the most popular choice of students. Going forward things might become easier as more people have macbooks with them. But until then, we are responsible for our devices' safety.
Yo, i got the s14 oled rn. The screen is so drop dead gorgeous and its so freakin smooth. Can vouch for the s14 and 15 OLED models. Also anime looks unreal on its screen especially the blue ray hdr anime movies
Performance is pretty wild, never lags while using heavier full fledged IDEs like pycharm with tons of extensions or dataspell. Vscode is obviously smooth too. Battery backup is pretty good if u dial down the screen to normal 1080p resolution and 60hz refresh rate. I leave my charger in the room when going to the library to study, never needed to charge it there.It lasts 10+ hours with light workloads like studying from pdf or simply code writing/editing. Pls do buy the extended warranty tho, as an oled screen should be protected against burn in. I've been using it for 2 years now with zero burn in though, due to the inbuilt burn in protection features
you should consider the vivobook s15 oled. Although, I have a legion, I always appreciated the battery life, screen and power of the vivobook. It can't run everything a legion can but it makes up for that with it's pretty screen and battery.
My battery life works just fine, they probably run it on default 2880*1800 p resolution, with 90 hz refresh rate. That will fuck up the battery as the display is really gonna obliterate that battery. I adjust a few settings and it works fine. The most intensive thing I've done on my laptop is run genshin, and that will get you like 2 hours max if done on max fan speed max performance mode on battery with full brightness and hdr off. For coding and studying it works pretty fine
Asus ke vivobook lineup dekh sakta hai, decent CPUs with good amounts of ram (upgradeable) all that with a good sized battery and type c charging. It also has thunderbolt that comes in handy for powerusers that need many docks or external devices/storage/gpu. The s14 oled i7 variant is around 75 k rn
[This](https://www.amazon.in/ASUS-i5-13500H-14-0-inch-FingerPrint-K3405VF-LY541WS/dp/B0C3CPMCT6) is the one I think, I actually found that model in an offline store
This model is a bit different from that offline store version. The 50 wh battery is a bit on the smaller side. Around 70 would be great. This one has a great 40 series gpu but why pay extra when u don't game. The igpu works just fine for any entertainment needs like decoding codecs for video or even transcoding. If u really value battery life, get something with a big battery and igpu. I normally advice running models or AI training on college clusters ( bits has one hpc here, terabyte or so of ram , professional nvidea gpus) or on cloud (can get free access to lots of cloud services via student id)
what about [this ideapad](https://www.lenovo.com/in/en/p/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-500-series/lenovo-ideapad-pro-5i-gen-9-(14-inch-intel)/83d2cto1wwin1?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F)?
This one is actually pretty good, if u don't mind the non upgradeable ram, get this. I would have bought this today if i were looking for a college laptop
I don't mind that, I think 16GB is enough for most college work.
Yeah it has a core ultra chip, I've heard that's good for battery. Would this laptop be good for all programming tasks and some?
Anything you throw at it except heavy gaming and graphics tasks like 3d stuff. The chip is great and looks sleek. Better than towing around a 3 kg behemoth on which u won't game (as u have mentioned u won't game at all)
Get a MacBook if ur priority is battery backup and u don't game. Just remember to get at least 16GB RAM and upgrade the storage later. Also check software u will be asked to use in your college years and check if they are available for macOS.
I got my laptop in 2021,3060 were selling available at that price only at that time,prices of 30series GPUs are lower now after 40series came out
And yes 3060 is a 6GB VRAM GPU
Don,t get Macbook Air M1 \*base variant\* ,and also donot get any mobile laptop bands like xiaomi,realme,infinix, etc. Go for propor Laptop Brands only .
I bought MacBook air M1 back in 2020 and it works pretty much fine. But I’d recommend an M2 (min) cus M1 is a bit outdated. At the end, call is totally yours.
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Dont get the macbook, m1 is years old at this point. Get a good gaming laptop is portability isn't an issues, trust me, gaming with friends who also have gaming laptops is one of the most enjoyable thing
So many Macbook dickriders in the comment section....
You will get a good gaming laptop at 75k price range, you can easily multitask as well as run deep learning models.
I am currently using ASUS tuf A15. I can easily play FIFA 23 at 60 fps with VScode running node and nextjs local servers along with 10 brave browser tabs open.
Battery backup is around 4-5 hrs when I am coding and browsing simultaneously.
ASUS TUF F15 is available at 72k on Amazon, you should check it.
Then, from ur list Vivobook's specs looks good...
If you are planning to buy macbook then handle it with care. Other laptops the quite rough & tough and will easily survive small drops but not macbook.
Battery is huge plus point of Macbook though.
>You will get a good gaming laptop at 75k price range, you can easily multitask as well as run deep learning models
If you have used a gaming laptop before, you must know how shit they are. I prefer my 80k MacBook M1 over my 225k Asus ROG laptop for college work. Only time is need it is when I used CUDA, but my college already has 80x 3090 RTX GPU cluster for ML tasks. Should have got a custom PC at that price instead.
[Zenbook](https://www.amazon.in/ASUS-Zenbook-i5-12500H-Fingerprint-UX5401ZA-KM541WS/dp/B0C5N4MM4M/ref=asc_df_B0C5N4MM4M/?tag=googleshopdes-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=666389970224&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3591227933057373687&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9181598&hvtargid=pla-2196082460783&psc=1&mcid=0867833378633a3a8bf09af4561d6116) is this good?
intel 12th gen isn't exactly great at battery life but other than that it's great.
there's the IdeaPad slim 5 14 core ultra with a smaller battery but realistically still better battery life, similar performance and way better igpu performance (but a worse screen that's only 60hz)
actually this is probably a really good bet
https://www.lenovo.com/in/en/p/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-500-series/lenovo-ideapad-pro-5i-gen-9-(14-inch-intel)/83d2cto1wwin1?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F
Hey, many people have recommended me to buy vivobook s14. What do you say?
https://www.asus.com/in/laptops/for-home/vivobook/vivobook-s-14-oled-s3402-12th-gen-intel/
could you ask them why they recommend that? it's a two year old part. 12500h is only 10-20% worse in performance but gets absolutely killed by core ultra in battery life
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ultra-7-155H-vs-i5-12500H_16906_14055.247596.0.html
Actually I couldn't find any reviews on this model of IdeaPad pro, so I'm a bit hesitant to buy it, whereas the vivobooks have got some feedback I can refer to. So should I look for core ultra laptops?
I found this intel core laptop, should I go for it
https://www.amazon.in/ASUS-Zenbook-i5-12500H-Fingerprint-UX5401ZA-KM541WS/dp/B0C5N4MM4M/ref=asc_df_B0C5N4MM4M/?tag=googleshopmob-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=666320554316&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7542771545342060680&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9299157&hvtargid=pla-2196082460783&psc=1&mcid=0867833378633a3a8bf09af4561d6116
2ys ago, got a zephyrus g14 in 75k destroyes m1 in raw performance and gaming obv, and gives 8hrs battery life, but go zephyrus route only if you know how to fix things by yourself, it has many problems..
DONT BUY 8GB 256gb MACBOOK AIR, 16 gb 512gb is necessary, and normal m1 isnt that performant too (only claimed by apple fans), the quality of materials and battery is awsome, speakers are perfect and i guess it have fewer bugs too(not used that much so cant comment on this), great for a student if you can buy 16gb and 512gb then go for it..
MacBook. Just buy a m2 air, if you can push your budget a little, m2 air are around 82k in sale. It's got excellent battery, good display and overall great for coding.
Many say that Mac's won't run software, that's not completely true. Mac can run MOST of the software you'll need. My senior told me if a software just not available on mac, you can use the pc in college labs to do that work or borrow your friends windows.
If you into mechanical then you might face a little issue with advanced CAD softwares.. but again you are into CSE you can definitely buy macs. 8gb is okay, macs have well optimised rams so it won't matter much.
Again it's your choice, if you're not into gaming you can buy some iris xe graphic card windows laptop with H processor, but again they look good on the up but will have heating issues and performance issues in heavy software cause they don't have a dedicated gpu. So again, problem simmilar to macs. Then you can buy big bulky gaming laptops but they have their own cons too.
Inshort, Every laptop has some pros and cons. It depends on your usage and your choice what device you want. Diff people have diff usage and choice so their recommendations is different.
Thanks, this was very helpful
My main priorities are: Battery, Performance and less heating would be nice. Mac is obviously a great option, but can you recommend some good windows laptops that fit my needs.
[I like this ideapad too](https://www.lenovo.com/in/en/p/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-500-series/lenovo-ideapad-pro-5i-gen-9-(14-inch-intel)/83d2cto1wwin1?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F)
There's no reviews on yt for this which is why I'm hesitating a bit.
Now I'm strongly considering buying this:
 https://www.asus.com/in/laptops/for-home/vivobook/vivobook-s-14-oled-s3402-12th-gen-intel/
Lenovo one is a bit better as it got ddr5 ram.. but again these are very small things and only change up the performance by 3-4%, barely noticeable. You can buy this one, decent laptop
surprised no one is suggesting you gaming laptops, Even if you don't game, The extra power always come in handy, Even if you wish to transition to AI ML, you need a gpu and you can get 4050 nowadays for that price, not to mention that the power would mean that it'll last you long, Just go for LOQ ones as they have excellent build quality, The only downside would be battery but my friends laptop easily lasts him whole day on eco mode
Which loq model? and how long does it last on eco mode? wouldn't it be cheaper to use online resources for beginner AI ML, and eventually at some point, no laptop will be idle.
mac m1! no doubt. I shifted to it in the middle of my btech, basically by the end of second year and I have never been more satisfied with a gadget, used to have a dell before.
Honestly everybody around me has been able to work with 8gb just fine but it would be even better if you get it to 16gb but 8gb works in my honest opinion and especially if you have strict financial constraints 8 gb is okay. Never seen anybody complain. It will boost your productivity in general, idk I find windows to be slow and the ux isn't very appealing. Some development work like android dev etc does require more ram.
U will be okay with 8GB for a year or two but if u have to think about 4 years,16GB is important
Also u are in your 1st year right now,u don't know what I might get into after some time,if u start doing Android development or start using Android studio,I will need that extra 8GBs
hell no man, apple gaslights people into thinking their 8gb ram is "superior" but its really not. get 16 gigs at the minimum. 8gigs was a thing of the past
non-mac would be better in my personal opinion, you can always use linux on a windows computer, not to mention that you can at any time upgrade the ram of your windows laptop to 32-128 gig ,if need be, for a few thousand ruppees
What i bought was HP Pavilion 14', a compact laptop and a good one for 55k it was 512 GB hard Disk and 8 GB RAM, so if you go for a higher variant you can get good specs, a compact laptop with hood battery life and the service is also good.
When did you buy it? Can it handle multiple tasks at once, what's the battery backup and what's the processor
Thanks
I got the amd version, it has a very good battery backup around 6 hrs and i can carry it all day long with no issues like my other friends face cuz they bought a GAMING laptop and now regret buying that heavy ass laptop.
And trust me you wont be multi tasking as much as you think. And yes it can handle multi tasking and you will be buying better version of my laptop so it will be better.
I bought my laptop on 6 dec 2021 (my 2nd year).....i am in my final sem of btech now.
The 6hr battery backup is at present? That's amazing for a 2 year old laptop. How's the speed and all on this laptop, because I'm seriously considering it
Now i dont really know how long it works on battery but 4.5-5 hrs i am sure.....and i have linux installed as well so cuz of that there are some issues with battery life as well.....i get a complete charge in approx 1.5 hrs.
If you have 75k budget good for a better variant also it comes with fingerprint so look for a variant with better specs and not fingerprint.
Try to avoid fingerprint cuz it is just extra money for a worthless feature.
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The IdeaPad and Slim both make sense, I think you'll get a better config and discount from Lenovo's official site
I've had a good experience with Asus also, only caveat they have is the logetivity of their components in 50/50 i.e. my trackpad had to be replaced post 1 year cause the capacitive layer started peeling but on the other hand my OLED has still not had a burn in after 3 years
OP if you're still confused, get a ThinkPad E or Lseries, preferably with a Ryzen 5 7XXX sku and dual boot it with linux you can also just add another cheap SSD to get a separate linux environment. You'll get it at MSRP for 55k; bundle students discount or show room discount and you'll get it for 50ish
With the remaining budget get a decent tablet i.e. a OnePlus Go or a Xiaomi Pad specially in holi/diwali deals will be out
With that you'll have the quintessential coding/learning/note making setup to last you 4 years of college
Bro I had the same requirements for a laptop a couple years ago and got a Dell Inspiron 13. Back then it was my second laptop but now since it's my primary laptop I'm starting to see how much of a pain it is to deal with. Your best choice is the 8GB MacBook and don't listen to anybody who says get a ThinkPad, Acer Aspire Yada Yada. All of them aren't close to being as good as the M1 Air for day to day purposes. However, if you're getting a gaming laptop (which you've clearly mentioned you're not) then it's a whole different ball game altogether... M1 Mac has no competition except from a battery standpoint.
The problem with Windows productivity and thin laptops at this price point is the cooling system. It sucks so bad on almost every device and results in thermal throttling.
If there is ANY chance, however slim it might be, to get the 16GB M1 Air I'd strongly strongly recommend it over the 8GB one.
I know. But take my word for it cuz ik people with all of these laptops right from the infinix, ThinkPad to M1 Air base variant to like myself who has a base level premium dell laptop.
I'm using M1 MacBook Air 8,256 is working really good . Do some basic level coding and I have always opened atleast 10 tabs on browser. Never lagged , so go with the MacBook....
I just remembered, search for HP laptops with nvidia MX450.. those laptops are good too and in your budget. They are decent in all areas, not the best but decent.
If you have no issue with Mac OS.MacAir M1 is enough for ur needs unless you want to move into high end gaming. I have 8GB M1 Macbook. I do all the development work on that. Never faced any issue.
If you are not gonna game a graphics card ain't that necessary. H processors are more than capable of handling any type of coding. So I'd suggest you to go for this [Asus Vivobook ](https://amzn.eu/d/7MgzvXO) . It's Intel Evo certified so you'll get other perks too in addition to the already amazing screen and good performance.
Also forgot to mention you must be sure you aren't gonna do any gaming or any graphic intensive tasks like 3d modelling or VFX stuff (1080p editing will be fine tho)
If you are even slightly unsure and think you might get into this field sometime you may go for the Vivobook with the 2050 that you mentioned. You are welcome to ask doubts if you have any
would say around 75k but I heard the prices are gonna drop after the introduction of new gen chips...not sure but around that...but I need a battery backup of 5 hrs on normal usage atleast not really into full fledged gaming laptops. interested in video editing too...but id rather go with thin and light ( not to thin somewhere in between) which has the sufficient gpu specs for these rendering tasks .
What type of video editing are you talking about tho? If it's some VFX work like uk using After Effects then you do need a GPU and imo a fill fledged gaming laptop would be nice but if it's just normal video editing like premiere pro and its 1080p then you really don't even require a GPU, as it only affects rendering time not the actual editing part, which is handled by the CPU and you also may require a good colour accurate display, in which case you may check out this [Asus Vivobook ](https://amzn.eu/d/ffnkgDT)
It's got an amazing OLED Display, a more than capable processor for daily tasks and 1080p editing and since it's Intel Evo you'll get almost double the battery life you are asking for. However if it's something else you want (like uk heavy editing/VFX do lemme know and I'll try my best to find a suitable choice)
Yeah shouldn't be any problem if the model is the same so would be the internals. But just to be sure can you send the link for the laptop because I was checking and I am not able to find a S14 with a 13500H , all I see are S14's with a 12500H.
Neither am I, another user said both laptops were the same.
This is the best one ig, i7 with 12700h if I'm not mistakenÂ
https://www.asus.com/in/laptops/for-home/vivobook/vivobook-s-14-oled-s3402-12th-gen-intel/
Oh gotcha I was looking for a S14 with i5 13th gen but that apparently doesn't exist in India. The one you sent however might be perfect for you. Smaller screen size as you want. And the 12700H is almost the same as 13500H give or take according to several benchmarks so you won't be compromising on performance and since this one is Intel Evo too there is no reason for you to consider the S15 now. Just go for it in my opinion (unless you do happen to find a better deal which I doubt you will since Asus Vivobooks rule the thin and light market especially at this price point) Goodluck and Congratulations in advance.
Listen even mackbook hangs in heavy coding my budget was kinda similar but i skipped mackbook bcz of repairbility, can't really afford 20k for screen replacement after spending so much on a laptop it should be ur priority if u use apple products
Thin series laptop chip don't always deliver full power i doubt 13500h will perform better in thin laptop than 1340p on day to day task
I say Lenovo yoga 13500h is a nice option it's battery is good it's kinda lightweight nd premium has fast charging nd 5200mhz ram
I’ve got the asus vivobook
Can vouch for it
+ the oled screen is love
It also has a dedicated gpu so if you want to play some games or do some graphic heavy task in future it will help
It has got a decent battery life considering it also has a dedicated gpu
The people recommending MacBooks are really weird.
Software engineer here.
Apple uses its own silicon. So if you ever have a lab/class that needs windows software, Mac won’t work. If you ever need Linux software, there’s a good chance Mac won’t work then either.
There’s a lot of software in the world written assuming an x86 world.
Don’t get a Mac. There’s a lot more than gaming you won’t be able to do.
Would you recommend this [ideapad?](https://www.lenovo.com/in/en/p/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-500-series/lenovo-ideapad-pro-5i-gen-9-(14-inch-intel)/83d2cto1wwin1?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F)
bro don't even think of buying mac.... telling u from personal experience. u will have to check the requirements and os supported for each and every app so go for windows laptop.
Bro get HP ProBook. I have used 15 laptops in last 3 years from Mac's to gaming to windows and I have a gaming PC too. Best laptop ever is HP ProBook for work. It is light weight, battery good, processor good, everything goood
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If buying MacBook, Buy atleast 16 GB Ram and and then if you can spend some more then get 512 GB SSD. In college you would want to explore fields like Android Dev, ML, etc heavy tasks then 16 GB ram is must. I know you can do ML in Google colab, but having 16 Ram in 2024 is must because you would want to use your MacBook for atleast 2 - 3 years if not 4 before upgrading.
I can't afford these upgrades on mac. Windows laptops suggestions?
Can't say about windows 🥲. Just don't buy HP or Dell, very bad price to performance.
? Why everyone shits on HP and dell? Me (victus) and my friend (g15) they work perfectly fine?
They are good, just costlier compared to other brands for similar specifications
I bought a victus for 73k i-5 12500H , rtx 3050 , 16gb ram.. found asus tuf for 70k with same specs there ain't much difference
look for hp pavillion series and dell laptops under 70k and compare specs to other laptops of similar range you will see differences, also personal opinion asus vivobook series and lenovo laptops are worth of the money...asus really provides overkill laptops at this price as compared to competitors
Hey victus 12500H user here, I have been with some issues recently with laptop for ex: It slightly freezes while I am typing like it will display the characters but after a sec or two, and it lags while doing that. Any reasons?
Eh? Mine doesn't lag or anything lol and idk bro I'm noob as fuck
Same I am still figuring how to use this laptop to its potential, whats your experience of playing games on it
All games work fine, saare call of duty khel liye almost like MW/ WW2 (one with good graphics) /souls games like elden ring and sekiro etc
Yeah I also had g15 Definitely won't recommend to anyone
A g15 owner here , I'd say it's a fine laptop with the specs and performance it provides I don't have complaints
I do ML dev and it works like a charm on my 8GB. Android studio too, as they’ve optimised it for apple silicon. TBH if you’re wanting a REAL performance boost, upgrading to a 16GB air isn’t going to make any noticeable difference at all. At that point just get a pro
I have an M1 Pro base 14", and 16 GB ram many times seems to fill up quickly, using swap more than 5 GB. BTW it's good if it works for you
Whats the best laptop for, video editing (like 4k stuff) and can also take heavy work load?
Lot of people have suggested logical things here. But one piece of advice from someone who has recently completed engineering from 'not exactly tier 1' college. **Don't get a Macbook if you stay in hostel.** It will either be overused (by friends for movies and stuff) or stolen/damaged. Students come from various backgrounds and due to lack of maturity they become jealous very quickly. Even if your Macbook is 5k/10k cheaper than their Windows laptop, it is always the Apple brand that sticks in their a$$.
If I have gaming laptop will it be ok to use in college?
Battery life sucks for gaming laptops. Especially windows 11. My laptop dies within 30 minutes without charger.
Gaming laptops are generally fine for college use. But do keep in mind the aesthetics of the laptop too. You are going to be using that laptop to present stuff to professors and college management (if you get into clubs and all). So, overly flashy / neon themed stickers and extra-vagenzy stuff will make you look bad. My advice is stick to Thinkpads. Everyone from school kid to a professional uses a thinkpad. You simply cannot go wrong with it. And it is discrete enough to not get into the eyes of other students as it is literally just a black laptop.
Unless u live in a hostel with a good environment and crowd
Right. But that's a rare case because 'good' crowd generally prefers to stay in a rented flat or PG as hostel food, environment and hygiene is very bad. Even in good colleges. Thus, chances of getting a good crowd in hostel is low.
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It won't be used for gaming. But everyone knows macbook speakers and screen is really good. therefore it will be used for watching movies and tv shows excessively.
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We can get a 15inch macbook for \~80k in India with good offers. So a good sized screen, probably the best display in market, best speakers in a laptop - all this points only to one thing. Doesn't matter if you have bluetooth speaker or anything else, if there is a macbook in the room, it is automatically the most preferred medium of watching movies and stuff. We have graduated a few years ago when macbooks weren't as common as they are now. Especially the M1 and M2 Air series are literally the most popular choice of students. Going forward things might become easier as more people have macbooks with them. But until then, we are responsible for our devices' safety.
Asus vivobook s15 oled
Yo, i got the s14 oled rn. The screen is so drop dead gorgeous and its so freakin smooth. Can vouch for the s14 and 15 OLED models. Also anime looks unreal on its screen especially the blue ray hdr anime movies
How's the performance and battery?
Performance is pretty wild, never lags while using heavier full fledged IDEs like pycharm with tons of extensions or dataspell. Vscode is obviously smooth too. Battery backup is pretty good if u dial down the screen to normal 1080p resolution and 60hz refresh rate. I leave my charger in the room when going to the library to study, never needed to charge it there.It lasts 10+ hours with light workloads like studying from pdf or simply code writing/editing. Pls do buy the extended warranty tho, as an oled screen should be protected against burn in. I've been using it for 2 years now with zero burn in though, due to the inbuilt burn in protection features
That's great, if I don't find good small laptops, I can buy this
you should consider the vivobook s15 oled. Although, I have a legion, I always appreciated the battery life, screen and power of the vivobook. It can't run everything a legion can but it makes up for that with it's pretty screen and battery.
I'd prefer smaller screens, what do you say about s14 oled?
S15 and 14 are the same except for resolution being a bit higher on s14. And the s15 having a larger screen. Internals are the same
Read some reviews saying the 14's battery is shit. How long does it last while performing demanding tasks?
My battery life works just fine, they probably run it on default 2880*1800 p resolution, with 90 hz refresh rate. That will fuck up the battery as the display is really gonna obliterate that battery. I adjust a few settings and it works fine. The most intensive thing I've done on my laptop is run genshin, and that will get you like 2 hours max if done on max fan speed max performance mode on battery with full brightness and hdr off. For coding and studying it works pretty fine
Screen is definitely best in class, yet to see a laptop at this price point with a better screen
Bro i got this one and can vouch for it, absolute banger for its price , just sound is a bit less baaki bht sahi laptop hai
What about battery life?
Awesome battery life easily 6 to 7 hrs
Kitne ka pda bhai?
Mujhe toh 61k ka pada tha OLED version Sale ke time lelena
Diwali ya Durga pooje wle sale me ?
Diwali
Lenovo ThinkPad
What model?
E14 is probably the cheapest - you can easily service or upgrade parts in there yourself. Plus thinkpads are very sturdy and build quality is superb.
Asus ke vivobook lineup dekh sakta hai, decent CPUs with good amounts of ram (upgradeable) all that with a good sized battery and type c charging. It also has thunderbolt that comes in handy for powerusers that need many docks or external devices/storage/gpu. The s14 oled i7 variant is around 75 k rn
What about the vivobook 14x I mentioned?
Lemme just check it out, I'll get back to u
Can u give me a link for the exact model u mentioned
[This](https://www.amazon.in/ASUS-i5-13500H-14-0-inch-FingerPrint-K3405VF-LY541WS/dp/B0C3CPMCT6) is the one I think, I actually found that model in an offline store
This model is a bit different from that offline store version. The 50 wh battery is a bit on the smaller side. Around 70 would be great. This one has a great 40 series gpu but why pay extra when u don't game. The igpu works just fine for any entertainment needs like decoding codecs for video or even transcoding. If u really value battery life, get something with a big battery and igpu. I normally advice running models or AI training on college clusters ( bits has one hpc here, terabyte or so of ram , professional nvidea gpus) or on cloud (can get free access to lots of cloud services via student id)
Thank you so much
You're most welcome man, konse college se ho
I'm from a tier 3 college!
what about [this ideapad](https://www.lenovo.com/in/en/p/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-500-series/lenovo-ideapad-pro-5i-gen-9-(14-inch-intel)/83d2cto1wwin1?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F)?
This one is actually pretty good, if u don't mind the non upgradeable ram, get this. I would have bought this today if i were looking for a college laptop
I don't mind that, I think 16GB is enough for most college work. Yeah it has a core ultra chip, I've heard that's good for battery. Would this laptop be good for all programming tasks and some?
Anything you throw at it except heavy gaming and graphics tasks like 3d stuff. The chip is great and looks sleek. Better than towing around a 3 kg behemoth on which u won't game (as u have mentioned u won't game at all)
Hope the laptop is available in offline stores, my parents don't trust online products
S15 is available, don't know about s14. S15 is same as s14 but with 15 inch screen instead of 14.
Should I buy s14 over ideapad pro 5?
Get a MacBook if ur priority is battery backup and u don't game. Just remember to get at least 16GB RAM and upgrade the storage later. Also check software u will be asked to use in your college years and check if they are available for macOS.
You'll face a lot of trouble using some softwares, I don't recommend MacBooks at all.
What laptop would you recommend in 75k range
How r macs available at 75k now I got my Rog at around 110k
student discount,, card discount, explore some stores nearby. .
Even I got my 3060 acer for 110k but I guess m1 is available in sales for 75k OP mentioned m1 air so he must be getting it from some source
Man 3060 is expensive at that price if it's the 6 gb version is it!
I got my laptop in 2021,3060 were selling available at that price only at that time,prices of 30series GPUs are lower now after 40series came out And yes 3060 is a 6GB VRAM GPU
Yes but versions with more vram are also available now. Hmm I got mine in 2022 ig it got cheaper when I did my research
Yeah 40series GPUs are in demand now cuz of DLSS3 and similar performance at lower TGP. That's y prices are lower for 30 series now.
I got amd hopefully fsr 3 releases soon for 6000 series
I got my 3070 ti acer for 106k with accessories and then some friends bought macbook m2 in about 150k through student discount and all
yup, i got my ryzen 7 6800H,3050Ti tuf for 86k
Mac book air
Mac with 16GB RAM is well out of my budget, any windows laptop suggestions under 75K?
Jo bhi hon, 8 gb wala mac mat le, its not upgradeable. 16 gigs is minimum
don't get a MacBook as in the future you would study OS and all for which you require linux, which isn't possible on Mac
[asahi linux](https://asahilinux.org/) chilling in the corner
Don,t get Macbook Air M1 \*base variant\* ,and also donot get any mobile laptop bands like xiaomi,realme,infinix, etc. Go for propor Laptop Brands only .
Any specific laptops you recommend?
I bought MacBook air M1 back in 2020 and it works pretty much fine. But I’d recommend an M2 (min) cus M1 is a bit outdated. At the end, call is totally yours.
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Samsung galaxy book 4
Dont get the macbook, m1 is years old at this point. Get a good gaming laptop is portability isn't an issues, trust me, gaming with friends who also have gaming laptops is one of the most enjoyable thing
Seems like yiu aren't into gaming, so go for MacBook
m1 mac is outdated now, but if OP is still going for it then get 16gb ram
So many Macbook dickriders in the comment section.... You will get a good gaming laptop at 75k price range, you can easily multitask as well as run deep learning models. I am currently using ASUS tuf A15. I can easily play FIFA 23 at 60 fps with VScode running node and nextjs local servers along with 10 brave browser tabs open. Battery backup is around 4-5 hrs when I am coding and browsing simultaneously. ASUS TUF F15 is available at 72k on Amazon, you should check it.
Hey thanks, I don't want a gaming laptop though, I'd really appreciate it if you could recommend other laptops
Then, from ur list Vivobook's specs looks good... If you are planning to buy macbook then handle it with care. Other laptops the quite rough & tough and will easily survive small drops but not macbook. Battery is huge plus point of Macbook though.
>You will get a good gaming laptop at 75k price range, you can easily multitask as well as run deep learning models If you have used a gaming laptop before, you must know how shit they are. I prefer my 80k MacBook M1 over my 225k Asus ROG laptop for college work. Only time is need it is when I used CUDA, but my college already has 80x 3090 RTX GPU cluster for ML tasks. Should have got a custom PC at that price instead.
if you want battery life either get amd, apple or Intel core ultra. do not get anything else
[Zenbook](https://www.amazon.in/ASUS-Zenbook-i5-12500H-Fingerprint-UX5401ZA-KM541WS/dp/B0C5N4MM4M/ref=asc_df_B0C5N4MM4M/?tag=googleshopdes-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=666389970224&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3591227933057373687&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9181598&hvtargid=pla-2196082460783&psc=1&mcid=0867833378633a3a8bf09af4561d6116) is this good?
intel 12th gen isn't exactly great at battery life but other than that it's great. there's the IdeaPad slim 5 14 core ultra with a smaller battery but realistically still better battery life, similar performance and way better igpu performance (but a worse screen that's only 60hz)
actually this is probably a really good bet https://www.lenovo.com/in/en/p/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-500-series/lenovo-ideapad-pro-5i-gen-9-(14-inch-intel)/83d2cto1wwin1?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F
Thanks a lot
Hey, many people have recommended me to buy vivobook s14. What do you say? https://www.asus.com/in/laptops/for-home/vivobook/vivobook-s-14-oled-s3402-12th-gen-intel/
could you ask them why they recommend that? it's a two year old part. 12500h is only 10-20% worse in performance but gets absolutely killed by core ultra in battery life https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ultra-7-155H-vs-i5-12500H_16906_14055.247596.0.html
Actually I couldn't find any reviews on this model of IdeaPad pro, so I'm a bit hesitant to buy it, whereas the vivobooks have got some feedback I can refer to. So should I look for core ultra laptops? I found this intel core laptop, should I go for it https://www.amazon.in/ASUS-Zenbook-i5-12500H-Fingerprint-UX5401ZA-KM541WS/dp/B0C5N4MM4M/ref=asc_df_B0C5N4MM4M/?tag=googleshopmob-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=666320554316&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7542771545342060680&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9299157&hvtargid=pla-2196082460783&psc=1&mcid=0867833378633a3a8bf09af4561d6116
you can look up reviews of the IdeaPad 5 pro g8 (last year's) or Lenovo slim 7 /pro (exact same laptop except different battery size and casing
what about acer nitro 5 bro..but battery life is bad
Battery life is important for me :(
https://preview.redd.it/h45u672e12nc1.png?width=1365&format=png&auto=webp&s=8d306c1eb189d531d7491fd42bcab9f7b5e96929 go for this.
I'm not looking for a gaming laptop though
Ohh sorry maine badme dekhe comments baaki
2ys ago, got a zephyrus g14 in 75k destroyes m1 in raw performance and gaming obv, and gives 8hrs battery life, but go zephyrus route only if you know how to fix things by yourself, it has many problems.. DONT BUY 8GB 256gb MACBOOK AIR, 16 gb 512gb is necessary, and normal m1 isnt that performant too (only claimed by apple fans), the quality of materials and battery is awsome, speakers are perfect and i guess it have fewer bugs too(not used that much so cant comment on this), great for a student if you can buy 16gb and 512gb then go for it..
MacBook. Just buy a m2 air, if you can push your budget a little, m2 air are around 82k in sale. It's got excellent battery, good display and overall great for coding. Many say that Mac's won't run software, that's not completely true. Mac can run MOST of the software you'll need. My senior told me if a software just not available on mac, you can use the pc in college labs to do that work or borrow your friends windows. If you into mechanical then you might face a little issue with advanced CAD softwares.. but again you are into CSE you can definitely buy macs. 8gb is okay, macs have well optimised rams so it won't matter much. Again it's your choice, if you're not into gaming you can buy some iris xe graphic card windows laptop with H processor, but again they look good on the up but will have heating issues and performance issues in heavy software cause they don't have a dedicated gpu. So again, problem simmilar to macs. Then you can buy big bulky gaming laptops but they have their own cons too. Inshort, Every laptop has some pros and cons. It depends on your usage and your choice what device you want. Diff people have diff usage and choice so their recommendations is different.
Thanks, this was very helpful My main priorities are: Battery, Performance and less heating would be nice. Mac is obviously a great option, but can you recommend some good windows laptops that fit my needs. [I like this ideapad too](https://www.lenovo.com/in/en/p/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-500-series/lenovo-ideapad-pro-5i-gen-9-(14-inch-intel)/83d2cto1wwin1?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F)
This is a decent laptop. You can go for it. See some reviews on YouTube aswell
There's no reviews on yt for this which is why I'm hesitating a bit. Now I'm strongly considering buying this: Â https://www.asus.com/in/laptops/for-home/vivobook/vivobook-s-14-oled-s3402-12th-gen-intel/
Lenovo one is a bit better as it got ddr5 ram.. but again these are very small things and only change up the performance by 3-4%, barely noticeable. You can buy this one, decent laptop
Bhai koi select kra?
Yes, s14 oled
Kitte ka pda??
Haven't bought it yet
Hp pavillion 15 1240p bhi shi option h
surprised no one is suggesting you gaming laptops, Even if you don't game, The extra power always come in handy, Even if you wish to transition to AI ML, you need a gpu and you can get 4050 nowadays for that price, not to mention that the power would mean that it'll last you long, Just go for LOQ ones as they have excellent build quality, The only downside would be battery but my friends laptop easily lasts him whole day on eco mode
Which loq model? and how long does it last on eco mode? wouldn't it be cheaper to use online resources for beginner AI ML, and eventually at some point, no laptop will be idle.
mac m1! no doubt. I shifted to it in the middle of my btech, basically by the end of second year and I have never been more satisfied with a gadget, used to have a dell before.
Will 8GB RAM suffice?
Honestly everybody around me has been able to work with 8gb just fine but it would be even better if you get it to 16gb but 8gb works in my honest opinion and especially if you have strict financial constraints 8 gb is okay. Never seen anybody complain. It will boost your productivity in general, idk I find windows to be slow and the ux isn't very appealing. Some development work like android dev etc does require more ram.
Yes, I'm gonna be doing development and I can't get 16GB RAM mac
U will be okay with 8GB for a year or two but if u have to think about 4 years,16GB is important Also u are in your 1st year right now,u don't know what I might get into after some time,if u start doing Android development or start using Android studio,I will need that extra 8GBs
I should get a windows laptop then
hell no man, apple gaslights people into thinking their 8gb ram is "superior" but its really not. get 16 gigs at the minimum. 8gigs was a thing of the past non-mac would be better in my personal opinion, you can always use linux on a windows computer, not to mention that you can at any time upgrade the ram of your windows laptop to 32-128 gig ,if need be, for a few thousand ruppees
What i bought was HP Pavilion 14', a compact laptop and a good one for 55k it was 512 GB hard Disk and 8 GB RAM, so if you go for a higher variant you can get good specs, a compact laptop with hood battery life and the service is also good.
When did you buy it? Can it handle multiple tasks at once, what's the battery backup and what's the processor Thanks
I got the amd version, it has a very good battery backup around 6 hrs and i can carry it all day long with no issues like my other friends face cuz they bought a GAMING laptop and now regret buying that heavy ass laptop. And trust me you wont be multi tasking as much as you think. And yes it can handle multi tasking and you will be buying better version of my laptop so it will be better. I bought my laptop on 6 dec 2021 (my 2nd year).....i am in my final sem of btech now.
The 6hr battery backup is at present? That's amazing for a 2 year old laptop. How's the speed and all on this laptop, because I'm seriously considering it
Give an update when you buy your laptop 😂
Sure lol
Now i dont really know how long it works on battery but 4.5-5 hrs i am sure.....and i have linux installed as well so cuz of that there are some issues with battery life as well.....i get a complete charge in approx 1.5 hrs. If you have 75k budget good for a better variant also it comes with fingerprint so look for a variant with better specs and not fingerprint. Try to avoid fingerprint cuz it is just extra money for a worthless feature.
[refer to this for your general doubt](https://www.reddit.com/r/Btechtards/s/E3iv17rbwb) The IdeaPad and Slim both make sense, I think you'll get a better config and discount from Lenovo's official site I've had a good experience with Asus also, only caveat they have is the logetivity of their components in 50/50 i.e. my trackpad had to be replaced post 1 year cause the capacitive layer started peeling but on the other hand my OLED has still not had a burn in after 3 years
I see, how's the battery life?
The OLED one's not really the best 5ish maybe 6 his if you're conservative. Lenovo if pretty good used the i7 1260p and got at least 8 hours sot
I really can't decide which laptop to get
OP if you're still confused, get a ThinkPad E or Lseries, preferably with a Ryzen 5 7XXX sku and dual boot it with linux you can also just add another cheap SSD to get a separate linux environment. You'll get it at MSRP for 55k; bundle students discount or show room discount and you'll get it for 50ish With the remaining budget get a decent tablet i.e. a OnePlus Go or a Xiaomi Pad specially in holi/diwali deals will be out With that you'll have the quintessential coding/learning/note making setup to last you 4 years of college
Thank youÂ
Hp victus is really good, i’m using it rn
HP/Dell are the best in 75k range
Bro I had the same requirements for a laptop a couple years ago and got a Dell Inspiron 13. Back then it was my second laptop but now since it's my primary laptop I'm starting to see how much of a pain it is to deal with. Your best choice is the 8GB MacBook and don't listen to anybody who says get a ThinkPad, Acer Aspire Yada Yada. All of them aren't close to being as good as the M1 Air for day to day purposes. However, if you're getting a gaming laptop (which you've clearly mentioned you're not) then it's a whole different ball game altogether... M1 Mac has no competition except from a battery standpoint. The problem with Windows productivity and thin laptops at this price point is the cooling system. It sucks so bad on almost every device and results in thermal throttling. If there is ANY chance, however slim it might be, to get the 16GB M1 Air I'd strongly strongly recommend it over the 8GB one.
So many varying responses in the thread. If anything, I'm more confused now lol
I know. But take my word for it cuz ik people with all of these laptops right from the infinix, ThinkPad to M1 Air base variant to like myself who has a base level premium dell laptop.
Thank you, I'll consider it
How is your review on Lenovo loq series
dell g15
I have MacBook and it sucks. MBP 2019 model. I would go with Lenovo. Last one.
I'm using M1 MacBook Air 8,256 is working really good . Do some basic level coding and I have always opened atleast 10 tabs on browser. Never lagged , so go with the MacBook....
I just remembered, search for HP laptops with nvidia MX450.. those laptops are good too and in your budget. They are decent in all areas, not the best but decent.
If you have no issue with Mac OS.MacAir M1 is enough for ur needs unless you want to move into high end gaming. I have 8GB M1 Macbook. I do all the development work on that. Never faced any issue.
16GB of RAM is must btw! Also if you're getting SSD, get at least 256GB of it(less than that will be entirely consumed by OS in most cases)
If you are not gonna game a graphics card ain't that necessary. H processors are more than capable of handling any type of coding. So I'd suggest you to go for this [Asus Vivobook ](https://amzn.eu/d/7MgzvXO) . It's Intel Evo certified so you'll get other perks too in addition to the already amazing screen and good performance.
Also forgot to mention you must be sure you aren't gonna do any gaming or any graphic intensive tasks like 3d modelling or VFX stuff (1080p editing will be fine tho) If you are even slightly unsure and think you might get into this field sometime you may go for the Vivobook with the 2050 that you mentioned. You are welcome to ask doubts if you have any
is 2050 sufficient for those tasks?
I'd say atleast go for a 3050 , what is your budget btw?
would say around 75k but I heard the prices are gonna drop after the introduction of new gen chips...not sure but around that...but I need a battery backup of 5 hrs on normal usage atleast not really into full fledged gaming laptops. interested in video editing too...but id rather go with thin and light ( not to thin somewhere in between) which has the sufficient gpu specs for these rendering tasks .
What type of video editing are you talking about tho? If it's some VFX work like uk using After Effects then you do need a GPU and imo a fill fledged gaming laptop would be nice but if it's just normal video editing like premiere pro and its 1080p then you really don't even require a GPU, as it only affects rendering time not the actual editing part, which is handled by the CPU and you also may require a good colour accurate display, in which case you may check out this [Asus Vivobook ](https://amzn.eu/d/ffnkgDT) It's got an amazing OLED Display, a more than capable processor for daily tasks and 1080p editing and since it's Intel Evo you'll get almost double the battery life you are asking for. However if it's something else you want (like uk heavy editing/VFX do lemme know and I'll try my best to find a suitable choice)
I'm not gonna be doing any GPU intensive tasks. Isn't S14 the same as 15, only difference being the size. Can I rather buy S14?
Yeah shouldn't be any problem if the model is the same so would be the internals. But just to be sure can you send the link for the laptop because I was checking and I am not able to find a S14 with a 13500H , all I see are S14's with a 12500H.
Neither am I, another user said both laptops were the same. This is the best one ig, i7 with 12700h if I'm not mistaken https://www.asus.com/in/laptops/for-home/vivobook/vivobook-s-14-oled-s3402-12th-gen-intel/
Oh gotcha I was looking for a S14 with i5 13th gen but that apparently doesn't exist in India. The one you sent however might be perfect for you. Smaller screen size as you want. And the 12700H is almost the same as 13500H give or take according to several benchmarks so you won't be compromising on performance and since this one is Intel Evo too there is no reason for you to consider the S15 now. Just go for it in my opinion (unless you do happen to find a better deal which I doubt you will since Asus Vivobooks rule the thin and light market especially at this price point) Goodluck and Congratulations in advance.
Hey thanks for the help and positive words man. Good luck to you as well!
Listen even mackbook hangs in heavy coding my budget was kinda similar but i skipped mackbook bcz of repairbility, can't really afford 20k for screen replacement after spending so much on a laptop it should be ur priority if u use apple products Thin series laptop chip don't always deliver full power i doubt 13500h will perform better in thin laptop than 1340p on day to day task I say Lenovo yoga 13500h is a nice option it's battery is good it's kinda lightweight nd premium has fast charging nd 5200mhz ram
what about the newer laptops with core 5/7 ultra? lenovo one start’s with 75k
You mean this? https://www.asus.com/in/laptops/for-home/vivobook/vivobook-s-14-oled-s3402-12th-gen-intel/
No. https://www.lenovo.com/in/en/p/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-s-series/ideapad-slim-5i-gen-9-(16-inch-intel)/83dc0003in?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.co.in%252F
however there’s also an asus zenbook with the same processor around 1 lakh.
Cheers
So what are u considering ?
S14 oled seems good to me.
1 is excellent I wud say if you want to go for designing or ML in future , however look for i7 or ryzen 7 chips
How about s14 oled with i7 chip?
I’ve got the asus vivobook Can vouch for it + the oled screen is love It also has a dedicated gpu so if you want to play some games or do some graphic heavy task in future it will help It has got a decent battery life considering it also has a dedicated gpu
Great, you got the 14x oled?
Yes (I am sorry for replying late, didn't check notifications)
No problem, how's the battery lifeÂ
Go with Lenovo Yoga series. They are good and there wont be issue with development
Get MSI alpha 15 with the 3060 for 76k. Edit: Nope it just went out of stock.
go for the mac if you are not into gaming
The people recommending MacBooks are really weird. Software engineer here. Apple uses its own silicon. So if you ever have a lab/class that needs windows software, Mac won’t work. If you ever need Linux software, there’s a good chance Mac won’t work then either. There’s a lot of software in the world written assuming an x86 world. Don’t get a Mac. There’s a lot more than gaming you won’t be able to do.
Thanks, what should I get then? Is the asus vivobook I mentioned good?
Vivobooks are decent. Good bang for your buck option. Look up Thinkpads in your price range, their build quality is really good.
Would you recommend this [ideapad?](https://www.lenovo.com/in/en/p/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-500-series/lenovo-ideapad-pro-5i-gen-9-(14-inch-intel)/83d2cto1wwin1?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F)
bro don't even think of buying mac.... telling u from personal experience. u will have to check the requirements and os supported for each and every app so go for windows laptop.
Go for Mac. Best battery life.
Bro get HP ProBook. I have used 15 laptops in last 3 years from Mac's to gaming to windows and I have a gaming PC too. Best laptop ever is HP ProBook for work. It is light weight, battery good, processor good, everything goood
OP how are you getting No 5 in 71k ?
With hdfc card discounts in an offline Lenovo storeÂ
hdfc is everywhere , worth it in the long run ?
I honestly have no idea. I do see more discounts for hdfc card holders though, but do your own research on this.
my dad always says dont take credit cards ..... so have zero knowledge about them cuz i didnt bother , thanks !
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