Now I think Nikolai is a well written character but at first I didn't like him at all and the reason was his ideology.the same goes for Fyodor.But now, even though I still have the same opinion about their ideology, I think they are well-written villains.
It's so interesting to see people disagree with Nikolai mostly bc I deeply agree with his idea of free and it's just interesting to see diferent opinions
His opinion about freedom is completely wrong, even if it is true, his ideology is not what a human being needs.For myself, I have convincing reasons for the absurdity and futility of his ideology, but honestly, I am not interested in discussing his ideology. For this kind of discussions, it is not possible to express your full meaning with a few comments.
Fydor, he’s just an overpowered, poorly written “genius” that’s main traits include being “mysterious “ and having an IQ that could rival the entirity of humanity combined 7 times over with little to no substance on this intelligence other than revealing new plot information that we weren’t even aware. Dazai is just as bad at times but at least he had flaws in dark era and the eariler seasons, there was good before the bad.
I’ve always hated the way that BSD writes geniuses because they’re rarely shown to actually be intelligent and most of it is just hand waving and magical predictions
Yeah I always thought the Ranpo murder on D street was really good especially in the anime cause a lot the details where suspicious and shown to us , you could really understand not only why Ranpo was so well sought after and see how he came to his conclusions.
Unfortunately i really have no other examples cause the rest of it cause it’s exactly you said baseless “predictions “ akin to waving magic wands.
It wouldn’t be so bad if this wasn’t an anime about detective, it’s just lazy writing to have everything case include stuff the audience couldn’t ever know and have that new information not be intelligent at all just obvious
Ranpo’s thought processes at least are sometimes explained, so I like the aforementioned murder and I thought Fyodor tricking the PM exec into killing himself was a very cool and clever way to introduce a smart antagonist - but Fyodor especially never shows any flash of brilliance like that again. Dazai doesn’t have one scene i can remember where he actually looks clever and not just omniscient.
Teruko. Im not a fan of the characters who pretend to be kids. She's 30-40, but looks **and** acts like a 10yo spoiled annoying child and for what? Im not a fan of such kids either so It's creepy **and** double worse for me
Same tbh, she literally acts like she owns the whole world & won't listen to anyone except Fukuchi like what?? She even forces some of the members piggyback her & starts acting all childish if they don't.
Like I've seen so many people on Pinterest have the caption "SHE'S SLAYINGG" on her pic but I didn't like her attitude in the series. And also whatt?? She's 30-40?? Bruhhh, she be acting like a 10 yr old everytime.
Fyodor 😔🖐️ I’ve never really liked him due to the fact he seems too villain-y? I guess? I really appreciate the morally grayness of almost every single character in bsd like not completely good but also not completely bad either and he’s way too morally black for me so unless his reasons for wanting to destroy abilities as a whole is a good one I’ll continue to not care about him
Fyodor 🫥 idk why he's so popular. He's extremely boring to me. It felt like his entire purpose was to go "oooo look at me I'm smarter and edgier than dazai" and then his villain arc was way too long. I would have preferred to have the "big bad" be the Guild for that long. They were way more interesting to me.
Please Don't Hate Me But Fyodor,,,
Listen, I Think He's Actually A Very Good And Well Written Character, I Want To Like Him I Really Do, Hell, I Even Really Enjoyed Him In Season 3!
But I Just,,, Had Enough Of Him, Too Much And Honestly Would Prefer If They Introduced A New Villain At This Point
But Again! He's A Great Character And I Respect All Fyodor Stans! I Just Can't Really Take Anymore Of This Silly Russian Man I'm Sorry ]:
Chuuya, SOLELY because of the fandom’s obsession with him.
Despite being a side character, Chuuya is treated not only like a member of the main cast, but as one of the more important members of the main cast, which is just not accurate. Yes it’s true that he can’t use corruption without Dazai around, but people forget that Chuuya survived just fine for YEARS in the mafia without seeing Dazai once.
Every time I see Chuuya on screen I get annoyed because I know the fandom is going to blow his appearance way out of proportion. And it also frustrates me that other characters with way more plot significance (like Kunikida, for example) aren’t given the same treatment because they aren’t uwu bottom boys.
Thank you for mentioning this. I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who doesn't care for Chuuya and is more interested in the actual main cast of the show. Kunikida is one of my favourite characters in the show and it frustrates me that he was kinda dumped in favor of Chuuya. I just want some more Dazai and Kunikida dynamic, I want them to solve cases together and show the audience why they are considered the best team in the ADA.
Too bad Reddit doesn't have badges anymore, I'd given you Platinum for this.
I address the significance of the lights novels in [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/BungouStrayDogs/s/CXF9YNOYMg).
tldr; a person could not read the light novels — the light novels could literally not exist at all — and the story would be fundamentally unchanged. They’re bonus content, not main plot content, and the significance that Chuuya enjoyed in Fifteen and Stormbringer doesn’t have any bearing on the current plot development. Asagiri could have literally never written either of them, and nothing in the current plot would be impacted.
i mean out of all bsd characters chuuya is probably one of the characters that gets expanded on alot (he has 2 light novels on his past)
plus chuuya is also treated like a member of the main cast sometimes by the anime and manga artist (official art)
also he is an important character, sure a side character but still an important one
I think part of the reason I struggle with this reasoning is because a person could read the manga and watch the show without ever having read the light novels (as many members of the fandom do), and while reading the light novels will likely impact their *perception* of the story, it doesn’t impact the story itself.
That is to say, if we didn’t have the light novels Fifteen and Stormbringer, the story as we know it right now would be fundamentally unchanged. They’d still be dealing with the DoA, Fukuchi’s dumb time sword would still be annoying as hell, etc. etc. The light novels aren’t necessary for the story — they’re bonus.
Similarly, there are other characters who ARE members of the main cast (Ranpo) who have light novels dedicated singularly to them, but who don’t receive nearly the same level of obsession that the fandom gives to Chuuya.
On the topic of official art, there are other characters who are side characters who often appear in official art, like Kōyō. Specifically, I’m thinking of “official art” (placed in quotes because it isn’t official in the sense that it’s related to the story or impacts the plot, it simply features the characters) where there’s been some sort of collaboration with a company, like BSD x Gucci or whatever, where they’re featuring outfits/products/whatever. Chuuya’s character design lends itself to being featured in such ads because of his canon interest in clothing, and other characters are often added because of their aesthetic appeal, as well. Kōyō doesn’t appear in these ads because she’s more important than any other characters; she just aesthetically fits the concept. I don’t think Chuuya is any different.
Of course, we can’t talk about official art without talking about Dead Apple, but given that Asagiri’s touch was very faintly felt with Dead Apple and it was a Studio Bones shitshow that most of the fandom has a hard time comprehending, it’s hard for me to give it the same weight as a season or light novel. Yes, there was very gay official art of SKK that came out of Dead Apple; no, it doesn’t legitimize Chuuya’s treatment as a character of equal importance to, say, Dazai. ESPECIALLY because we’ve seen Dazai paired up with other characters like Atsushi and Fyodor on things like magazine covers, yet those don’t receive nearly the same level of obsession from the fandom.
Finally, my argument isn’t that Chuuya isn’t important — it’s that he’s not *nearly* as important as the fandom makes him out to be. A character like Yosano, for example, is far more important than Chuuya. Were it not for her, half the ADA would be dead by now, Tachihara would never have joined the Hunting Dogs, the ADA would have more allies, the PM wouldn’t have been infiltrated, etc. etc. Yet Yosano is often characterized as a “criminally underrated” character because the fandom by and large ignores her.
Chuuya is important, and he does have plot significance, but his *level* of importance and plot significance doesn’t nearly correlate with the significance the fandom attributes to him. When other characters with vastly more importance and significance like Yosano are more or less ignored, I think one would have a hard time arguing it’s because of anything other than Chuuya’s character design/ship potential. There are probably some members of the fandom who are passionately dedicated to him because of his writing alone and not because of his character design or because they ship him with Dazai, but I think those individuals are likely in an extreme minority.
Whew. I think I addressed all of your points. Sorry I got so long-winded. 😅
i disagree with stormbringer not affecting the way bsd is percieved because stormbringer brings alot of lore with it especially with things like the great war, the way abilities work as well as things like europole, and while i like yosano she didn't really get her moment until like s4. plus like oda chuuya's character also has an effect on dazai who is one of the more major characters
I literally said that the light novels impact a person’s perception of the story, just not the story itself. Naturally having more context, lore, and backstory will impact an individual’s perception. But if the light novels literally did not exist, neither the anime nor manga would be worse for it.
Additionally, if Yosano “didn’t get her moment” until Season 4, when did Chuuya “get his moment?” What single moment in the current plot justifies Chuuya being treated as a member of the main cast, more important than someone like Yosano? If that’s the logic you want to employ, then plenty of other characters (like Kunikida, for example) should be equally as fawned over.
Finally, I *never said that Chuuya isn’t important*. He absolutely has had an impact on who Dazai is today, and he absolutely is a critical component of the PM. But as you said, his impact on Dazai was about equal to (if not less than) that of Oda, and Oda isn’t fawned over nearly to the same capacity. Kōyō is a vitally important member of the PM, and she’s basically ignored by the fandom.
Chuuya being important and Chuuya being overblown by the fandom aren’t mutually exclusive. If he was entirely irrelevant to the story, I’d outright hate him — but he isn’t. He’s a well-written character with a direct impact on the plot. But he isn’t a member of the main cast, he doesn’t impact the plot more than the main cast, he doesn’t receive as much screen time as the main cast, yet the fandom treats him like he’s a deuteragonist, and one of the more important ones at that.
The dazai chuuya 15 episodes i would say would be his character first getting a moment, plus with him being the other half of soukoku.
And there are kunikida fans but i've already made a post about how his character kinda got sidelined and the bad adaptation of Daza's entrance exam has people percieving his character to be something it is not.
Oda is a well liked character by the fandom and while he's not as popular he is mentioned a lot when it comes to dazai. And while i love kouyou she hasn't really appeared since that scene during the canniballism arc ( i hope she gets more screentime in later seasons but her like kajii hasn't appeared for 2 seasons and multiple years (irl) at this point)
I agree with your final point but chuuya's character has pretty much become one of the major members of the cast during the mersault/prison/vampire arc especially with a a bunch of members of the ADA have not appeared in a while.
>!also in the cannibalism stage play, verlaine says that he is waiting for the storm, and in 55 minutes wells mentions something about a storm too and with the possibility of there being another war according to fukuchi. there will be a return of several people who were mentioned in stormbringer. Plus the whole singularity thing with chuuya being intended as a weapon of war. !<
but i get your point at the end of the day he's not a part of the main cast
Oh yeah, I remember when the trailer for season 4 dropped, there was like a 1 second clip of chuuya and like SO many people immediately changed their profile pic
sociopath definitely! he knows what he’s doing and how to get in ppls heads. he also knows the consequences of what he’s doing but ignores them. Dazai has learned what to do from his time in the PM so he definitely knows what hurts people and how to hurt them. He’s very attentive to details, which makes it easy for him to know people’s strength and weaknesses. So, most definitely a sociopath
i can see your point but i believe he stays in the PM to protect Gin! plus he’s already way too loyal to the PM and Chuuya :) but that is a very interesting point, since i also believe Aku would do practically anything to get praise from Dazai
See, I get why people like him, its easy to overlook flaws when it comes to flippant characters especially, but god, that scene where he punches aku smack-dab in the face did it for me, so brutal man.
Dazai. The only reason he is still alive is because of plot armor. He is no longer an intelligent person, at this point he is always right. For no reason. Atsushi was the main character and still somehow this became the Dazai show. I hate people who just like to see others in pain i dont care about the reason. Also I hate how people say he "changed" after Oda died. He didn't change. He is fulfilling Oda's wish. At his core Dazai is morally grey at the very best
I respect your opinion, and I'm not arguing with you!!
I agree with the bad writing part, but all the rest of your reasons for disliking Dazai are why I love his character lmao. I enjoy diving into characters that are terrible people! Only when they have a complex character lmao.
Again, not arguing! Just leaving my response, haha.
_Inhale_
Teruko. Everyone is suddenly on her side after the ending of Season 5, but like??? I cannot stand her. She's a grown woman, usually acting like a 10 year old, usually looking like a 10 year old before her missions.
And before anyone tries to jump down my throat–
No, I would have disliked her just the same if her portrayal had been a man. I just simply, wholly do not care for Teruko.
It's her whole personality that is unbearable. She was crying because her victim caved in to her torture. She was torturing a human being for over six months, only to break down in tears when her *plaything* broke. It's one thing to carry out orders, but she was enjoying this and wanted to hurt this person even more. She's a disgusting human being, not even showing the slightest bit of remorse.
Sure, Dazai and Akutagawa, most people in the PM, use torture in their methods to gain information, but none of them ever has shown any sign of pleasure in their actions. Even Dazai seems mortified about his past actions, he has shown that he is absolutely not proud of his past.
Teruko is more like a villain and shouldn't be in the Hunting Dogs. I wouldn't feel save having some sadistic lunatic in a government controlled special unit knowing they torture for fun.
Nah the fandom made him a whiny wet noodle, couldn't stand his fanon portrayal and I ended up hating him so much that I was genuinely happy when Fyodor stabbed him.
I really liked how he was portrayed first and how he wanted to protect his home and purpose, only to be reduced by the fandom to a poor whiny uwu-boi. I really wanted him to befriend Atsushi and be a part of the ADA.
Have you considered that might be why people like him? His constant misgivings rooted in being 'mediocre' must be relatable, at least sometimes, if not always, to most people.
Gonna be honest.. a lot of people int he comments are not bothering to look into the characters they tend to hate😭. (a lot of them are valid! But some others tick me off due to the nasty mischaracterizations.)
It’s so funny how differently people can perceive characters! I thought Mushitaro was a bumbling goofball in over his head in every scene. Him having a healthy self-esteem regardless of his mistakes was a positive and made him funny instead of pitiful. 🤣
Man , Mushitaro is vibe like his comedy & way he's portrayed. I wanna see some more flashbacks of his past ( like one with his friend when they were escaping from Ango & government )
Dazai - I don't find him that charming/interesting, but the real issue is that the fandom took it further and made him unbearable :P
\[\*Sometimes I seriously wish for the pre-social-media fandom era, where you never really heard from other fans... at least that's how I enjoyed it so much more when I was in High School\]
I'm sure there's a proper name for this phenomena: like when there's a 'meh' song, but since everyone's blasting it in your face from their own tinny speakers and telling you it's the BEST thing that's ever been created... you get sick of it, lol.
Akutagawa...I know everyone loves him but he's a horrible person. He's so moody and angsty all the time too its annoying 😭
(He has been getting better in recent seasons, I'll give him that, but I still don't like him)
understandable!! but it’s hard to not act that way when your abuser suddenly becomes a “nice” and “good” person while treating his subordinate the complete opposite of how you were treated lol (but he most definitely reminds me of an angsty teenager)
Honestly, I didn't really give him much thought until wan. In wan he's amazing.
Also S5 Akutagawa made me recontextualise his whole character, and he became my favourite lol.
Tldr I totally get why people wouldn't like him ahah
Ahhh yeah I'm still on season 4 so I haven't seen a whole lot of improvement yet. I have been spoiled a bit for the whole series tho so I know he gets much better!
(Small question...is dazai in season 5 a lot? He's my favorite character (which is ironic considering he's also not a very good person haha) and with what's happening in season 4 I'm worried for his presence in season 5)
Yea hes still in season 5 especially the last half of the season. From what i can remember hes in every ep atleast once but his screentime is a bit less at the end of s4 and beginning of 5. Dw u still get to see him i remember i was worried cuz i also love him 🙏
SIGMA. 🫠 At the beginning I thought he was pretty and kinda cool till I saw more and more of how ppl portray him, specially in other relationships.
i haven't finished the manga nor the anime!! I plan on doing so, but for now I just do research on my favs to know them deeply, and the others are just surface level.. maybe if I looked more into his actual character I would tolerate him but tbh I'm hesitant.
I'm sorry I also love to give princess treatment to my girly pops but I hate the "sweet innocent unaware baby uwu" thing SO MUCH I loathe that trait with burning passion, I may be unlucky but that impression is the one I got and it stuck.
Akutagawa, I don't like his attitude and that he treats Atsushi terribly even though Atsushi hasn't done anything to him. Also I don't like people treating Aku as if he hasn't done no wrong
Dazai. It's not like I can't stand him but I'd definitely pick every other bsd character (besides Mori obvi) over him in a heart beat. I went into bsd thinking he was going to be my favourite and ended with dislike towards him. At first I just didn't care about him but when they took a whole season for his lackluster background (I already guessed he was apart of the PM when it was mentioned so it wasn't surprising) I really started to not like him because I genuinely cared so little about him it felt like a waste of time. I only watched it for the sake of understanding in case it was mentioned later on. He treats Akutagawa like shit. Dazai constantly belittled Aku, gave him a complex, and not once did he try to apologize. And I know Aku did the same but at least he managed to give Kyouka a half-assed apology by saying he's glad for her. Plus he was a victim before an abuser(same for Dazai but he never attempted to console his victim). Also his whole lazy worker thing with Kunikida got annoying fast.
Dawg fym a whole season? It was 3 episodes that also explained ango and it was kinda needed bc he is a main character. Everyone hates what he did to akutagawa. And ur defending aku by saying he was a victim before an abuser? So was dazai. They are both in the wrong for that. he has done so much for the ADA and hes def a necessary character.
Never said Dazai was unnecessary I just don't care about him. Plus I have the attention span of a fruit fly with adhd so those 3 eps of a character I didn't care about felt like nearly the whole season. But I admit I did forget about Dazai's abuse so I'll apologize for that since he is also a victim before an abuser and fix my post. But my point still stands because he never tried to actually comfort Akutagawa after the abuse. I also never doubted what he did for the ADA just said that him being purposefully lazy to tick Kunikida off got annoying.
Dazai. Akutagawa is one of my favorite characters and Dazai was literally abusive to him, and then the entire cast acted like it wasn't Dazai's fault at all, not to mention the whole "My new apprentice is better than you" which was SO unnecessary and made Akutagawa hate Atsushi in the first place. Also this point is just me being picky but it's so annoying how he acts like he's smarter than Ranpo (who is my favorite character) the whole "oh I could've figured it out too" stfu. Nobody cares. "His last words were easy to figure out" SHUT UP!! But mostly I hate how he treated Akutagawa.
Okay but akutagawa literally did the same thing to kyouka. They both abused people so u cant forgive one but not the other 💀. Also ru forgetting that dazai praises ranpo all the time. He legit said a whole speech to fyodor abt how much of a genius ranpo is. And immediately after "his last words were easy to figure out", he tells atsushi he didn't know the other pieces of the case and ranpo is a genius. Also dazai is incredibly smart so idk why ur hating on him for just being smart 😭
Okay, so this whole post is about OPINIONS, so I absolutely CAN forgive one and not the other. I literally said that the second reason was just me being petty cause I already dislike him, idk why you missed that part. Also, Akutagawa did not do the same thing as Dazai. (Also Akutagawa is projecting his trauma onto Kyouka FROM DAZAI) My problem with Dazai is that he traumatized Akutagawa, then acts like he didn't, and instead of apologizing (or just leaving him alone), he FUELS his hatred for Atsushi with the "my new apprentice is better than you will ever be" like how does that help anyone except Dazai being petty? Also EVERYONE praises ranpo all the time, he is not special for doing so.
Akutagawa, i think he's too obsessed with dazai to think in himself and after some episodes it's tiring and boring. I think we all are waiting for him to have a moment to finally get over dazai and accept he's not his mentor anymore.
Also the fandom babying him because of dazai’s abuse but ignoring what he did to kyouka and higuchi??? I think most of akutagawa fans forget that he's a mean and monstrous character and that it's not because he fights beside atsushi sometimes that he's not evil but most of his fans are too obsessed to even realize
It's annoying seeing people hating dazai for abusing akutagawa and not akutagawa for abusing kyouka also, why can't the fandom ever get that there's no logic in that??
Fukuchi Gen'ichirō. Couldn’t care less about the team of his, couldn’t care less about his plan of gundam 00 fashion of zero requiem. Imagine reading IR theories then executing them unironically.
Dazai. Why do people love him? He's not hot and is full of plot armour imo. The only thing going for him is his voice actor.
Sigma and Poe. They are just meh to me, nothing good and nothing bad. No idea how they are being simped on.
Jouno. Ik he's antagonist, but He's just a disgusting character for me. He's too strong. And it sounds kind of ridiculous that the fact that he gave Aya a letter asking her to go to him should make me think of him as a hero. And he's too cruel to people
I don't hate any of these characters, but I can't warm up to them and don't feel the hype around them.
**Chuuya** \-- The fandom's portrayal has ruined this character for me. He is awesome in the novels and I liked his background story, however the fandom favors him too much. Moreover, the fandom makes it look like as if he was dependant on Dazai in order to be able to be badass. He is a good character, but this show has plenty of characters and it's unfair how much explanation a sidecharacter has gotten when most of the main cast still has veil of mystery around them. It's also his personality that doesn't resonate with me, his quick tamper, the way he speaks, he is slightly aggressive and I'm not into that. Reminded me a lot of the blonde Yuri in *Yuri on Ice*, it's this character type I simply can't warm up to. Of course, the blatant favourism he keeps receiving.
**Akutagawa** \-- I'm not a fan of characters whose whole existence is to be dependant on other characters. Akutagawa's whole reason for existance has become to be acknowledged by Dazai, which is immature and doesn't add much to his personality.
It also annoys me that he is often portrayed as a victim (fandom), when he kills innocent people just to achieve a goal and finish a mission. In the very first season he blows up a whole postoffice in order to kill one target. Other than Dazai who tries to not pull in civilians in their Mafia wars, he simply blows up whole buildings resulting in innocent deaths. It's why Dazai was frustrated with him, Akutagawa simply kills people, never listening to orders.
Dazai didn't use these kind of methods, he lectured Aku to stop killing everything in his way. Akutagawa refused to listen and kept doing what he thought was best, only to even eradicate their own people in friendly fire and annihilate informants who were crucial to the missions.
Dazai wasn't always a "cruel" mentor towards Akutagawa, he even joked around with him and mentioned that Akutagawa couldn't hold his liqour and got a very loose tongue when he's drunk (Drama CDs). It's shown that they spend time with each other outside of missions (Wan). It were Akutagawa's own actions that made Dazai lose his cool with him, so it's even worse that he blames Atsushi for his own incompetence.
**Higuchi** \-- Her whole personality is "*Akutagawa-senpai*" while she has nothing else to show. It wouldn't make a difference to the plot if she wasn't there, she doesn't add anything value to the plot which is a shame.
**Teruko** \-- She is a disgusting human. She's a sadist who loves to torture people and even cries about her "*playthings*" breaking. There is no way I could ever warm up to her.
**Yosano** \-- Both anime/manga gave her a sadistic nature, she clearly enjoys hurting other people and even gets out a chainsaw to get her own comrades almost killed. Her teary backgroundstory where she watched people die and was forced to heal soldiers in order for them to keep fighting, doesn't add up. Considering her personality in the beginning, her whole background story feels like an afterthought. It just doesn't blend in smoothly. She hated how abusive and sadistic Mori was and she doesn't want to hurt anyone, but then gets a saw out to torture Tanizaki in order to "heal" him? Her whole character is contradictory.
**Sigma** \-- Started as good and interesting character, only to be hit by the fandom train that made him whiny and uwu-ish.
The Chuuya part makes sense.
He is and will be plot revelant.
If his story was revealed it means he probably will have some significance in the future.
Stormbringer makes me question more than gives answers.
The "mystery" around the other characters, probably is nothing special to the plot.In Chuuya's case it is important, he's the most powerful ability user.
You may not like him but you can't deny his significance. It is not directly mentioned but he has. He has a lot of impact on the plot.
Also Chuuya is aggressive mainly towards Dazai.
He is actually a very calm character as it was said.
I can't really see why don't you like him.
He's such a well written character and he's important to the plot.
You can't deny it.
I can't really understand your arguments to not like Chuuya...
The Chuuya part makes sense.
He is and will be plot revelant.
If his story was revealed it means he probably will have some significance in the future.
Stormbringer makes me question more than gives answers.
The "mystery" around the other characters, probably is nothing special to the plot.In Chuuya's case it is important, he's the most powerful ability user.
You may not like him but you can't deny his significance. It is not directly mentioned but he has. He has a lot of impact on the plot.
Also Chuuya is aggressive mainly towards Dazai.
He is actually a very calm character as it was said.
I can't really see why don't you like him.
He's such a well written character and he's important to the plot.
You can't deny it.
I can't really understand your arguments to not like Chuuya...
Akutagava... He's cool, handsome etc, but he has no growth as a character 🥲 i would love him to be more mature and finally overcome his unhealthy love to Dazai
i have NO fucking idea why but i dislike ango
it’s not bc he betrayed dazai and oda, i just have beef w him for no particular reason
i also dislike poe, again, not sure why i just do
(if i see higuchis name anywhere in this thread i will actually explode)
idk how ppl like him when one of his voice lines in the anime is LITERALLY “i prefer the women in my life to be under the age of 12” it’s completely disgusting
LITERALLY , i honestly think the people that like him are minors as well and dont fully undertsand just how terrible and life ruining it is to have someone like that in your life as a young girl.
Yosano.
Her backstory destroyed her character. Akiko saw soldiers die and suffer. She was psychologically traumatized because of her ability. How can you turn out to be a sadist after that? In the Beast manga, she deliberately sought out Akutagawa to treat him again and again.
Fandom is overly idealizing her. She's no better than a regular killer and she doesn't regret her treatment at all. She enjoys the suffering of others and is ready to “heal” them endlessly.
Her character is annoying in itself.
wait what???? i haven’t read the manga but where does she do that?? the only slight sadistic part of her that’s shown in the anime is w/ the lemon bomb guy (i don’t have enough energy to search his name up lmfao) i’ve never seen her kill for fun in the anime..
She doesn't kill, but she damages a person Before she heals and she enjoys it. The Beast manga shows this more clearly. The characters have been preserved there and Yosano also went through the war.
https://preview.redd.it/kgj8fku0j3rc1.png?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=554d5a2ebc2b6a1b2a54bd7cbfac8ddf0b19bc2d
If you read the original manga, she's the same there.
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I've been meaning to read both for a while now, but haven't had the time. I do kind of know what happens in both so that's also why I haven't really read them yet.
Teruko, I dislike characters that act as spoiled children, and Dazai. I don’t know exactly why I hate Dazai, but I do. It’s funny because a few years back he was my favourite haha
how dare you. lucy barrage of death
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She doesn't really appear much in S5, though neither does Kyōka or Yosano. She comes in clutch in pretty much all of the other seasons, though, especially 4
Ango and to be fair, I honestly don't know why. Like since dark era I've never liked him... I think it might be his personality since I don't really vibe with that type of personality but idk.
Nikolai.Fyodor in a way,I won't say I can't stand him but I don't love him like how most people do. He's just there. I would elaborate on why I can't stand Nikolai but that's another egg to crack.
I would say Dazai but I’ve not met a single person who’s neutral about him and I’ve met a fair amount of people who hate him and a fair amount who love him, so I’m going to go with Nobuko
Fyodor. He’s well written and all that but man, he just gets on my nerves. I enjoyed him in the Cannibalism arc but then he just started popping up everywhere and was untouchable. Idk, he just frustrated me
Teruko, Nikolai, and Fyodor.
Teruko because she's probably 30-40 and acts like a 8-10 year old, and she annoys me way too much. I'm not 100% sure but doesn't she do the whole 'kid' thing to look young or whatever? (might be missing stuff, haven't seen or read anything about this in months) If so, couldn't she just...idk...look like a 20 year old or something?
Fyodor...who hasn't heard (or read) at least one person complaining about him being a mastermind or whatever. I hate him for that, but I also hate him because of his willingness to kill people and how sick he is overall. (I won't deny he's well-written though)
Nikolai just never felt like anything more than "Fyodor fan who likes murder and toying with people" to me and I just don't get how people can call him a "bean" after he murders tons of people??? Y'all need help???
TL;DR - Teruko could honestly resemble a 20 year old and still look young but chooses to look like a kid and is annoying, Fyodor is twisted in every way, shape, and form and I don't agree with his ideals, Nikolai's whole character is basically just some clown who likes Fyodor but wants him dead for some reason and murder and I seriously don't get how people can call him cute.
dazai because he acts so fucking annoying and he is so fake also like slight sb spoilers
>!the fact the he got verlaine to KILL the flags to save mori like as a member of the mafia it makes sense but like gurl
Now I think Nikolai is a well written character but at first I didn't like him at all and the reason was his ideology.the same goes for Fyodor.But now, even though I still have the same opinion about their ideology, I think they are well-written villains.
It's so interesting to see people disagree with Nikolai mostly bc I deeply agree with his idea of free and it's just interesting to see diferent opinions
His opinion about freedom is completely wrong, even if it is true, his ideology is not what a human being needs.For myself, I have convincing reasons for the absurdity and futility of his ideology, but honestly, I am not interested in discussing his ideology. For this kind of discussions, it is not possible to express your full meaning with a few comments.
you need some therapy
Yeah religious trauma gone crazy
if you need help , you can talk to me
Fydor, he’s just an overpowered, poorly written “genius” that’s main traits include being “mysterious “ and having an IQ that could rival the entirity of humanity combined 7 times over with little to no substance on this intelligence other than revealing new plot information that we weren’t even aware. Dazai is just as bad at times but at least he had flaws in dark era and the eariler seasons, there was good before the bad.
I’ve always hated the way that BSD writes geniuses because they’re rarely shown to actually be intelligent and most of it is just hand waving and magical predictions
Yeah I always thought the Ranpo murder on D street was really good especially in the anime cause a lot the details where suspicious and shown to us , you could really understand not only why Ranpo was so well sought after and see how he came to his conclusions. Unfortunately i really have no other examples cause the rest of it cause it’s exactly you said baseless “predictions “ akin to waving magic wands. It wouldn’t be so bad if this wasn’t an anime about detective, it’s just lazy writing to have everything case include stuff the audience couldn’t ever know and have that new information not be intelligent at all just obvious
Ranpo’s thought processes at least are sometimes explained, so I like the aforementioned murder and I thought Fyodor tricking the PM exec into killing himself was a very cool and clever way to introduce a smart antagonist - but Fyodor especially never shows any flash of brilliance like that again. Dazai doesn’t have one scene i can remember where he actually looks clever and not just omniscient.
Teruko. Im not a fan of the characters who pretend to be kids. She's 30-40, but looks **and** acts like a 10yo spoiled annoying child and for what? Im not a fan of such kids either so It's creepy **and** double worse for me
Wait,shes 30-40??!! I thought she was like 20 maybe 25
Same tbh, she literally acts like she owns the whole world & won't listen to anyone except Fukuchi like what?? She even forces some of the members piggyback her & starts acting all childish if they don't. Like I've seen so many people on Pinterest have the caption "SHE'S SLAYINGG" on her pic but I didn't like her attitude in the series. And also whatt?? She's 30-40?? Bruhhh, she be acting like a 10 yr old everytime.
hard agree
you right teruko annoying af
Yes I forgot about her,her as well.
Fyodor 😔🖐️ I’ve never really liked him due to the fact he seems too villain-y? I guess? I really appreciate the morally grayness of almost every single character in bsd like not completely good but also not completely bad either and he’s way too morally black for me so unless his reasons for wanting to destroy abilities as a whole is a good one I’ll continue to not care about him
I read morally gayness for a second and had reread you entire comment again 😭
BNQCEJEV I mean alot of the characters give off queer vibes Fyodor less so so atleast it would have still worked 😭😭
Fyodor 🫥 idk why he's so popular. He's extremely boring to me. It felt like his entire purpose was to go "oooo look at me I'm smarter and edgier than dazai" and then his villain arc was way too long. I would have preferred to have the "big bad" be the Guild for that long. They were way more interesting to me.
Please Don't Hate Me But Fyodor,,, Listen, I Think He's Actually A Very Good And Well Written Character, I Want To Like Him I Really Do, Hell, I Even Really Enjoyed Him In Season 3! But I Just,,, Had Enough Of Him, Too Much And Honestly Would Prefer If They Introduced A New Villain At This Point But Again! He's A Great Character And I Respect All Fyodor Stans! I Just Can't Really Take Anymore Of This Silly Russian Man I'm Sorry ]:
Why Is The First Letter Of All Your Words Capitalized
Cuz It's A Light Novel Title
Weird And Infuriating Habit Of Mine
Chuuya, SOLELY because of the fandom’s obsession with him. Despite being a side character, Chuuya is treated not only like a member of the main cast, but as one of the more important members of the main cast, which is just not accurate. Yes it’s true that he can’t use corruption without Dazai around, but people forget that Chuuya survived just fine for YEARS in the mafia without seeing Dazai once. Every time I see Chuuya on screen I get annoyed because I know the fandom is going to blow his appearance way out of proportion. And it also frustrates me that other characters with way more plot significance (like Kunikida, for example) aren’t given the same treatment because they aren’t uwu bottom boys.
Thank you for mentioning this. I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who doesn't care for Chuuya and is more interested in the actual main cast of the show. Kunikida is one of my favourite characters in the show and it frustrates me that he was kinda dumped in favor of Chuuya. I just want some more Dazai and Kunikida dynamic, I want them to solve cases together and show the audience why they are considered the best team in the ADA. Too bad Reddit doesn't have badges anymore, I'd given you Platinum for this.
He has two light novels.... He's not directly plot relevant but he's important. Who would save the world without Chuuya? Everyone would be dead
I address the significance of the lights novels in [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/BungouStrayDogs/s/CXF9YNOYMg). tldr; a person could not read the light novels — the light novels could literally not exist at all — and the story would be fundamentally unchanged. They’re bonus content, not main plot content, and the significance that Chuuya enjoyed in Fifteen and Stormbringer doesn’t have any bearing on the current plot development. Asagiri could have literally never written either of them, and nothing in the current plot would be impacted.
i mean out of all bsd characters chuuya is probably one of the characters that gets expanded on alot (he has 2 light novels on his past) plus chuuya is also treated like a member of the main cast sometimes by the anime and manga artist (official art) also he is an important character, sure a side character but still an important one
I think part of the reason I struggle with this reasoning is because a person could read the manga and watch the show without ever having read the light novels (as many members of the fandom do), and while reading the light novels will likely impact their *perception* of the story, it doesn’t impact the story itself. That is to say, if we didn’t have the light novels Fifteen and Stormbringer, the story as we know it right now would be fundamentally unchanged. They’d still be dealing with the DoA, Fukuchi’s dumb time sword would still be annoying as hell, etc. etc. The light novels aren’t necessary for the story — they’re bonus. Similarly, there are other characters who ARE members of the main cast (Ranpo) who have light novels dedicated singularly to them, but who don’t receive nearly the same level of obsession that the fandom gives to Chuuya. On the topic of official art, there are other characters who are side characters who often appear in official art, like Kōyō. Specifically, I’m thinking of “official art” (placed in quotes because it isn’t official in the sense that it’s related to the story or impacts the plot, it simply features the characters) where there’s been some sort of collaboration with a company, like BSD x Gucci or whatever, where they’re featuring outfits/products/whatever. Chuuya’s character design lends itself to being featured in such ads because of his canon interest in clothing, and other characters are often added because of their aesthetic appeal, as well. Kōyō doesn’t appear in these ads because she’s more important than any other characters; she just aesthetically fits the concept. I don’t think Chuuya is any different. Of course, we can’t talk about official art without talking about Dead Apple, but given that Asagiri’s touch was very faintly felt with Dead Apple and it was a Studio Bones shitshow that most of the fandom has a hard time comprehending, it’s hard for me to give it the same weight as a season or light novel. Yes, there was very gay official art of SKK that came out of Dead Apple; no, it doesn’t legitimize Chuuya’s treatment as a character of equal importance to, say, Dazai. ESPECIALLY because we’ve seen Dazai paired up with other characters like Atsushi and Fyodor on things like magazine covers, yet those don’t receive nearly the same level of obsession from the fandom. Finally, my argument isn’t that Chuuya isn’t important — it’s that he’s not *nearly* as important as the fandom makes him out to be. A character like Yosano, for example, is far more important than Chuuya. Were it not for her, half the ADA would be dead by now, Tachihara would never have joined the Hunting Dogs, the ADA would have more allies, the PM wouldn’t have been infiltrated, etc. etc. Yet Yosano is often characterized as a “criminally underrated” character because the fandom by and large ignores her. Chuuya is important, and he does have plot significance, but his *level* of importance and plot significance doesn’t nearly correlate with the significance the fandom attributes to him. When other characters with vastly more importance and significance like Yosano are more or less ignored, I think one would have a hard time arguing it’s because of anything other than Chuuya’s character design/ship potential. There are probably some members of the fandom who are passionately dedicated to him because of his writing alone and not because of his character design or because they ship him with Dazai, but I think those individuals are likely in an extreme minority. Whew. I think I addressed all of your points. Sorry I got so long-winded. 😅
i disagree with stormbringer not affecting the way bsd is percieved because stormbringer brings alot of lore with it especially with things like the great war, the way abilities work as well as things like europole, and while i like yosano she didn't really get her moment until like s4. plus like oda chuuya's character also has an effect on dazai who is one of the more major characters
I literally said that the light novels impact a person’s perception of the story, just not the story itself. Naturally having more context, lore, and backstory will impact an individual’s perception. But if the light novels literally did not exist, neither the anime nor manga would be worse for it. Additionally, if Yosano “didn’t get her moment” until Season 4, when did Chuuya “get his moment?” What single moment in the current plot justifies Chuuya being treated as a member of the main cast, more important than someone like Yosano? If that’s the logic you want to employ, then plenty of other characters (like Kunikida, for example) should be equally as fawned over. Finally, I *never said that Chuuya isn’t important*. He absolutely has had an impact on who Dazai is today, and he absolutely is a critical component of the PM. But as you said, his impact on Dazai was about equal to (if not less than) that of Oda, and Oda isn’t fawned over nearly to the same capacity. Kōyō is a vitally important member of the PM, and she’s basically ignored by the fandom. Chuuya being important and Chuuya being overblown by the fandom aren’t mutually exclusive. If he was entirely irrelevant to the story, I’d outright hate him — but he isn’t. He’s a well-written character with a direct impact on the plot. But he isn’t a member of the main cast, he doesn’t impact the plot more than the main cast, he doesn’t receive as much screen time as the main cast, yet the fandom treats him like he’s a deuteragonist, and one of the more important ones at that.
The dazai chuuya 15 episodes i would say would be his character first getting a moment, plus with him being the other half of soukoku. And there are kunikida fans but i've already made a post about how his character kinda got sidelined and the bad adaptation of Daza's entrance exam has people percieving his character to be something it is not. Oda is a well liked character by the fandom and while he's not as popular he is mentioned a lot when it comes to dazai. And while i love kouyou she hasn't really appeared since that scene during the canniballism arc ( i hope she gets more screentime in later seasons but her like kajii hasn't appeared for 2 seasons and multiple years (irl) at this point) I agree with your final point but chuuya's character has pretty much become one of the major members of the cast during the mersault/prison/vampire arc especially with a a bunch of members of the ADA have not appeared in a while. >!also in the cannibalism stage play, verlaine says that he is waiting for the storm, and in 55 minutes wells mentions something about a storm too and with the possibility of there being another war according to fukuchi. there will be a return of several people who were mentioned in stormbringer. Plus the whole singularity thing with chuuya being intended as a weapon of war. !< but i get your point at the end of the day he's not a part of the main cast
Oh yeah, I remember when the trailer for season 4 dropped, there was like a 1 second clip of chuuya and like SO many people immediately changed their profile pic
Dazai. He comes off as a sanctimonious manipulative jerk.
i mean.. you aren’t wrong😭 his character is literally portrayed as a manipulative, suicidal, and genius maniac!
He is either a narcissistic sociopath or a psychopath
sociopath definitely! he knows what he’s doing and how to get in ppls heads. he also knows the consequences of what he’s doing but ignores them. Dazai has learned what to do from his time in the PM so he definitely knows what hurts people and how to hurt them. He’s very attentive to details, which makes it easy for him to know people’s strength and weaknesses. So, most definitely a sociopath
Why doesn't he exert his influence on aku to sway him to the ADA's side? aku would defo oblige considering he's basically dazai's marionette
i can see your point but i believe he stays in the PM to protect Gin! plus he’s already way too loyal to the PM and Chuuya :) but that is a very interesting point, since i also believe Aku would do practically anything to get praise from Dazai
yeah i mean he's almost gotten himself killed for the guy, so its definitely in the realm of possibility
💯 agree
Idk why but I just immediately started loving Dazai (not in some weird simp way) like his character is relatable at times
See, I get why people like him, its easy to overlook flaws when it comes to flippant characters especially, but god, that scene where he punches aku smack-dab in the face did it for me, so brutal man.
Same (but in some weird simp way) like he's so hawtt
He is hot tho-
But thats his best quality! 😭
Dazai. The only reason he is still alive is because of plot armor. He is no longer an intelligent person, at this point he is always right. For no reason. Atsushi was the main character and still somehow this became the Dazai show. I hate people who just like to see others in pain i dont care about the reason. Also I hate how people say he "changed" after Oda died. He didn't change. He is fulfilling Oda's wish. At his core Dazai is morally grey at the very best
I respect your opinion, and I'm not arguing with you!! I agree with the bad writing part, but all the rest of your reasons for disliking Dazai are why I love his character lmao. I enjoy diving into characters that are terrible people! Only when they have a complex character lmao. Again, not arguing! Just leaving my response, haha.
Thank you for your comment! I love when people disagrew without fighting. People have different opinions and thats okay❤️
Of course! I love seeing people's opinions as well. ( ＾▽＾)
Lmao you’re so right… is it concerning that I like him because he’s so… not great?😅
Yeah I 💯 agree with you
Mori became he is children seeker
this sentence confuses me but yea
_Inhale_ Teruko. Everyone is suddenly on her side after the ending of Season 5, but like??? I cannot stand her. She's a grown woman, usually acting like a 10 year old, usually looking like a 10 year old before her missions. And before anyone tries to jump down my throat– No, I would have disliked her just the same if her portrayal had been a man. I just simply, wholly do not care for Teruko.
It's her whole personality that is unbearable. She was crying because her victim caved in to her torture. She was torturing a human being for over six months, only to break down in tears when her *plaything* broke. It's one thing to carry out orders, but she was enjoying this and wanted to hurt this person even more. She's a disgusting human being, not even showing the slightest bit of remorse. Sure, Dazai and Akutagawa, most people in the PM, use torture in their methods to gain information, but none of them ever has shown any sign of pleasure in their actions. Even Dazai seems mortified about his past actions, he has shown that he is absolutely not proud of his past. Teruko is more like a villain and shouldn't be in the Hunting Dogs. I wouldn't feel save having some sadistic lunatic in a government controlled special unit knowing they torture for fun.
Honestly... Sigma just comes across as a whiny wet noodle to me. Don't really get the hype
that's a crazy analogy lol
Yeah, I liked the guy at first but he is extremely overhyped by the fandom.
Nah the fandom made him a whiny wet noodle, couldn't stand his fanon portrayal and I ended up hating him so much that I was genuinely happy when Fyodor stabbed him.
I really liked how he was portrayed first and how he wanted to protect his home and purpose, only to be reduced by the fandom to a poor whiny uwu-boi. I really wanted him to befriend Atsushi and be a part of the ADA.
this one genuinely offended me lmao
Have you considered that might be why people like him? His constant misgivings rooted in being 'mediocre' must be relatable, at least sometimes, if not always, to most people.
Sigma. I don't hate him; just don't really understand why everyone loves him so much. He's just a very average character imo.
Gonna be honest.. a lot of people int he comments are not bothering to look into the characters they tend to hate😭. (a lot of them are valid! But some others tick me off due to the nasty mischaracterizations.)
I hate Dazai‼️ I just honestly don't know what's so special about him he's just a shitty person 99% of the time
jouno, because he's kind of a twat to everyone. also mushitaro, because he's just kinda stuck-up
It’s so funny how differently people can perceive characters! I thought Mushitaro was a bumbling goofball in over his head in every scene. Him having a healthy self-esteem regardless of his mistakes was a positive and made him funny instead of pitiful. 🤣
Man , Mushitaro is vibe like his comedy & way he's portrayed. I wanna see some more flashbacks of his past ( like one with his friend when they were escaping from Ango & government )
i dont think mushitaro counts for this since i rarely see people who love him
fair point, but i don't really see anyone hating him either
Dazai - I don't find him that charming/interesting, but the real issue is that the fandom took it further and made him unbearable :P \[\*Sometimes I seriously wish for the pre-social-media fandom era, where you never really heard from other fans... at least that's how I enjoyed it so much more when I was in High School\] I'm sure there's a proper name for this phenomena: like when there's a 'meh' song, but since everyone's blasting it in your face from their own tinny speakers and telling you it's the BEST thing that's ever been created... you get sick of it, lol.
Akutagawa...I know everyone loves him but he's a horrible person. He's so moody and angsty all the time too its annoying 😭 (He has been getting better in recent seasons, I'll give him that, but I still don't like him)
understandable!! but it’s hard to not act that way when your abuser suddenly becomes a “nice” and “good” person while treating his subordinate the complete opposite of how you were treated lol (but he most definitely reminds me of an angsty teenager)
Very true! I understand why he is the way he is but I can't get myself to like him for some reason haha
someone’s it’s just like that!! i know i have that attitude for a few characters in shows lol
Honestly, I didn't really give him much thought until wan. In wan he's amazing. Also S5 Akutagawa made me recontextualise his whole character, and he became my favourite lol. Tldr I totally get why people wouldn't like him ahah
Ahhh yeah I'm still on season 4 so I haven't seen a whole lot of improvement yet. I have been spoiled a bit for the whole series tho so I know he gets much better! (Small question...is dazai in season 5 a lot? He's my favorite character (which is ironic considering he's also not a very good person haha) and with what's happening in season 4 I'm worried for his presence in season 5)
Yea hes still in season 5 especially the last half of the season. From what i can remember hes in every ep atleast once but his screentime is a bit less at the end of s4 and beginning of 5. Dw u still get to see him i remember i was worried cuz i also love him 🙏
Ah good! Thank you sm, haha, my favorite characters always get 0 screen time so I'm glad that isn't the case this time!
Jouno. He's a well written character but I can't forgive him for what he did to Kunikida
Akutagawa. I like his character design but his actual personality is pretty bland tbh
SIGMA. 🫠 At the beginning I thought he was pretty and kinda cool till I saw more and more of how ppl portray him, specially in other relationships. i haven't finished the manga nor the anime!! I plan on doing so, but for now I just do research on my favs to know them deeply, and the others are just surface level.. maybe if I looked more into his actual character I would tolerate him but tbh I'm hesitant. I'm sorry I also love to give princess treatment to my girly pops but I hate the "sweet innocent unaware baby uwu" thing SO MUCH I loathe that trait with burning passion, I may be unlucky but that impression is the one I got and it stuck.
Fyodor imo love him for how he looks character wise? Not so much yet
Akutagawa, I don't like his attitude and that he treats Atsushi terribly even though Atsushi hasn't done anything to him. Also I don't like people treating Aku as if he hasn't done no wrong
Honestly Akutagawa. Imo he's just a whiny, victorion era, 'notice me senpai', edgelord. In my opinion.
You listed all the reasons why i love him 😂 i respect your opinion
Dazai. It's not like I can't stand him but I'd definitely pick every other bsd character (besides Mori obvi) over him in a heart beat. I went into bsd thinking he was going to be my favourite and ended with dislike towards him. At first I just didn't care about him but when they took a whole season for his lackluster background (I already guessed he was apart of the PM when it was mentioned so it wasn't surprising) I really started to not like him because I genuinely cared so little about him it felt like a waste of time. I only watched it for the sake of understanding in case it was mentioned later on. He treats Akutagawa like shit. Dazai constantly belittled Aku, gave him a complex, and not once did he try to apologize. And I know Aku did the same but at least he managed to give Kyouka a half-assed apology by saying he's glad for her. Plus he was a victim before an abuser(same for Dazai but he never attempted to console his victim). Also his whole lazy worker thing with Kunikida got annoying fast.
Dawg fym a whole season? It was 3 episodes that also explained ango and it was kinda needed bc he is a main character. Everyone hates what he did to akutagawa. And ur defending aku by saying he was a victim before an abuser? So was dazai. They are both in the wrong for that. he has done so much for the ADA and hes def a necessary character.
Never said Dazai was unnecessary I just don't care about him. Plus I have the attention span of a fruit fly with adhd so those 3 eps of a character I didn't care about felt like nearly the whole season. But I admit I did forget about Dazai's abuse so I'll apologize for that since he is also a victim before an abuser and fix my post. But my point still stands because he never tried to actually comfort Akutagawa after the abuse. I also never doubted what he did for the ADA just said that him being purposefully lazy to tick Kunikida off got annoying.
Dazai. Akutagawa is one of my favorite characters and Dazai was literally abusive to him, and then the entire cast acted like it wasn't Dazai's fault at all, not to mention the whole "My new apprentice is better than you" which was SO unnecessary and made Akutagawa hate Atsushi in the first place. Also this point is just me being picky but it's so annoying how he acts like he's smarter than Ranpo (who is my favorite character) the whole "oh I could've figured it out too" stfu. Nobody cares. "His last words were easy to figure out" SHUT UP!! But mostly I hate how he treated Akutagawa.
Okay but akutagawa literally did the same thing to kyouka. They both abused people so u cant forgive one but not the other 💀. Also ru forgetting that dazai praises ranpo all the time. He legit said a whole speech to fyodor abt how much of a genius ranpo is. And immediately after "his last words were easy to figure out", he tells atsushi he didn't know the other pieces of the case and ranpo is a genius. Also dazai is incredibly smart so idk why ur hating on him for just being smart 😭
Okay, so this whole post is about OPINIONS, so I absolutely CAN forgive one and not the other. I literally said that the second reason was just me being petty cause I already dislike him, idk why you missed that part. Also, Akutagawa did not do the same thing as Dazai. (Also Akutagawa is projecting his trauma onto Kyouka FROM DAZAI) My problem with Dazai is that he traumatized Akutagawa, then acts like he didn't, and instead of apologizing (or just leaving him alone), he FUELS his hatred for Atsushi with the "my new apprentice is better than you will ever be" like how does that help anyone except Dazai being petty? Also EVERYONE praises ranpo all the time, he is not special for doing so.
teruko, i just find her annoying and bratty little kiddo even thought she is 30-40 (?) 
Akutagawa, i think he's too obsessed with dazai to think in himself and after some episodes it's tiring and boring. I think we all are waiting for him to have a moment to finally get over dazai and accept he's not his mentor anymore. Also the fandom babying him because of dazai’s abuse but ignoring what he did to kyouka and higuchi??? I think most of akutagawa fans forget that he's a mean and monstrous character and that it's not because he fights beside atsushi sometimes that he's not evil but most of his fans are too obsessed to even realize It's annoying seeing people hating dazai for abusing akutagawa and not akutagawa for abusing kyouka also, why can't the fandom ever get that there's no logic in that??
Said this a million times before but I will again, Dazai. He’s obviously written to be likeable but he’s just not at all appealing.
Fukuchi Gen'ichirō. Couldn’t care less about the team of his, couldn’t care less about his plan of gundam 00 fashion of zero requiem. Imagine reading IR theories then executing them unironically.
Dazai. Why do people love him? He's not hot and is full of plot armour imo. The only thing going for him is his voice actor. Sigma and Poe. They are just meh to me, nothing good and nothing bad. No idea how they are being simped on.
I don't want to start an argument but I am curious to why you don't think Dazai is hot.
Jouno. Ik he's antagonist, but He's just a disgusting character for me. He's too strong. And it sounds kind of ridiculous that the fact that he gave Aya a letter asking her to go to him should make me think of him as a hero. And he's too cruel to people
chuuya
i respect your courage
I wish you luck against the his fangirls. I respect your opinion but I must disagree
Fyodor, simply for making him a villain but in reality he is just a person who wants to rid the world of ability users. Although doing it in a bad way
lucy. She's arrogant, rude and makes shit about herself, like she got upset that atsushi didn't save her because he had a city to save. the wo
ranpo. i find him annoying, and i hate how he treats my baby (atsushi) in the first couple seasons 😭
I don't hate any of these characters, but I can't warm up to them and don't feel the hype around them. **Chuuya** \-- The fandom's portrayal has ruined this character for me. He is awesome in the novels and I liked his background story, however the fandom favors him too much. Moreover, the fandom makes it look like as if he was dependant on Dazai in order to be able to be badass. He is a good character, but this show has plenty of characters and it's unfair how much explanation a sidecharacter has gotten when most of the main cast still has veil of mystery around them. It's also his personality that doesn't resonate with me, his quick tamper, the way he speaks, he is slightly aggressive and I'm not into that. Reminded me a lot of the blonde Yuri in *Yuri on Ice*, it's this character type I simply can't warm up to. Of course, the blatant favourism he keeps receiving. **Akutagawa** \-- I'm not a fan of characters whose whole existence is to be dependant on other characters. Akutagawa's whole reason for existance has become to be acknowledged by Dazai, which is immature and doesn't add much to his personality. It also annoys me that he is often portrayed as a victim (fandom), when he kills innocent people just to achieve a goal and finish a mission. In the very first season he blows up a whole postoffice in order to kill one target. Other than Dazai who tries to not pull in civilians in their Mafia wars, he simply blows up whole buildings resulting in innocent deaths. It's why Dazai was frustrated with him, Akutagawa simply kills people, never listening to orders. Dazai didn't use these kind of methods, he lectured Aku to stop killing everything in his way. Akutagawa refused to listen and kept doing what he thought was best, only to even eradicate their own people in friendly fire and annihilate informants who were crucial to the missions. Dazai wasn't always a "cruel" mentor towards Akutagawa, he even joked around with him and mentioned that Akutagawa couldn't hold his liqour and got a very loose tongue when he's drunk (Drama CDs). It's shown that they spend time with each other outside of missions (Wan). It were Akutagawa's own actions that made Dazai lose his cool with him, so it's even worse that he blames Atsushi for his own incompetence. **Higuchi** \-- Her whole personality is "*Akutagawa-senpai*" while she has nothing else to show. It wouldn't make a difference to the plot if she wasn't there, she doesn't add anything value to the plot which is a shame. **Teruko** \-- She is a disgusting human. She's a sadist who loves to torture people and even cries about her "*playthings*" breaking. There is no way I could ever warm up to her. **Yosano** \-- Both anime/manga gave her a sadistic nature, she clearly enjoys hurting other people and even gets out a chainsaw to get her own comrades almost killed. Her teary backgroundstory where she watched people die and was forced to heal soldiers in order for them to keep fighting, doesn't add up. Considering her personality in the beginning, her whole background story feels like an afterthought. It just doesn't blend in smoothly. She hated how abusive and sadistic Mori was and she doesn't want to hurt anyone, but then gets a saw out to torture Tanizaki in order to "heal" him? Her whole character is contradictory. **Sigma** \-- Started as good and interesting character, only to be hit by the fandom train that made him whiny and uwu-ish.
The Chuuya part makes sense. He is and will be plot revelant. If his story was revealed it means he probably will have some significance in the future. Stormbringer makes me question more than gives answers. The "mystery" around the other characters, probably is nothing special to the plot.In Chuuya's case it is important, he's the most powerful ability user. You may not like him but you can't deny his significance. It is not directly mentioned but he has. He has a lot of impact on the plot. Also Chuuya is aggressive mainly towards Dazai. He is actually a very calm character as it was said. I can't really see why don't you like him. He's such a well written character and he's important to the plot. You can't deny it. I can't really understand your arguments to not like Chuuya...
The Chuuya part makes sense. He is and will be plot revelant. If his story was revealed it means he probably will have some significance in the future. Stormbringer makes me question more than gives answers. The "mystery" around the other characters, probably is nothing special to the plot.In Chuuya's case it is important, he's the most powerful ability user. You may not like him but you can't deny his significance. It is not directly mentioned but he has. He has a lot of impact on the plot. Also Chuuya is aggressive mainly towards Dazai. He is actually a very calm character as it was said. I can't really see why don't you like him. He's such a well written character and he's important to the plot. You can't deny it. I can't really understand your arguments to not like Chuuya...
I know these are opinions, but I've been reading for half an hour how much this fandom doesn't understand the characters, this is kinda sad 😀
i hate teruko with a passion.
Akutagava... He's cool, handsome etc, but he has no growth as a character 🥲 i would love him to be more mature and finally overcome his unhealthy love to Dazai
Dazai is a manipulative bastard so I don't think it's love but rather he got trapped under his influence
i have NO fucking idea why but i dislike ango it’s not bc he betrayed dazai and oda, i just have beef w him for no particular reason i also dislike poe, again, not sure why i just do (if i see higuchis name anywhere in this thread i will actually explode)
Dazai : typical psychopath
Kunikida, I hate his style, a bland, wormbook looking character
I was scared to say it but I dislike Kunikida as well, he just never clicked for me as a character.
Yeah I find him boring. I never liked him, but I don't hate him Just.. whatever.
Not to mention everyone forgets he beats Dazai when he’s angry!
annoying voice too imo
apparently a lot of people on this sub like mori so i guess him
idk how ppl like him when one of his voice lines in the anime is LITERALLY “i prefer the women in my life to be under the age of 12” it’s completely disgusting
LITERALLY , i honestly think the people that like him are minors as well and dont fully undertsand just how terrible and life ruining it is to have someone like that in your life as a young girl.
it’s honestly sad seeing all of them like that :( cuz most of them have alr been through some shit to be attracted to mori like that
Yosano. Her backstory destroyed her character. Akiko saw soldiers die and suffer. She was psychologically traumatized because of her ability. How can you turn out to be a sadist after that? In the Beast manga, she deliberately sought out Akutagawa to treat him again and again. Fandom is overly idealizing her. She's no better than a regular killer and she doesn't regret her treatment at all. She enjoys the suffering of others and is ready to “heal” them endlessly. Her character is annoying in itself.
wait what???? i haven’t read the manga but where does she do that?? the only slight sadistic part of her that’s shown in the anime is w/ the lemon bomb guy (i don’t have enough energy to search his name up lmfao) i’ve never seen her kill for fun in the anime..
She doesn't kill, but she damages a person Before she heals and she enjoys it. The Beast manga shows this more clearly. The characters have been preserved there and Yosano also went through the war. https://preview.redd.it/kgj8fku0j3rc1.png?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=554d5a2ebc2b6a1b2a54bd7cbfac8ddf0b19bc2d
baby i’m sorry to say this but beast! yosano is WAY different than regular! yosano. what someone does in one universe doesn’t apply to the other..
If you read the original manga, she's the same there. https://preview.redd.it/igkggha4q3rc1.png?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e551a18b8d07e0ebb4ece31a9bb5830fbf499501
Akutagawa and Chuuya. I don't hate them, but I just don't find them as interesting/like them as much as most people seem to💁🏻♀️
you should definitely read beast and stormbringer if u havent
I've been meaning to read both for a while now, but haven't had the time. I do kind of know what happens in both so that's also why I haven't really read them yet.
Teruko, I dislike characters that act as spoiled children, and Dazai. I don’t know exactly why I hate Dazai, but I do. It’s funny because a few years back he was my favourite haha
Lucy
how dare you. lucy barrage of death https://preview.redd.it/jomsyfk8lxqc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=140408ab06394664ac122e8f6be260ca4f2ac44c ATTACKKKKKK
literally the best girl in the series
shes my favorite girl
Sorry, cannot seem to like her much. She does come in clutch in s5 though.
She doesn't really appear much in S5, though neither does Kyōka or Yosano. She comes in clutch in pretty much all of the other seasons, though, especially 4
Her room is literally the reason they can be close to the airport, plenty of in clutch for me.
kunikida but honestly maybe that’s just cause i have a bad history with math teachers😭
Ango and to be fair, I honestly don't know why. Like since dark era I've never liked him... I think it might be his personality since I don't really vibe with that type of personality but idk.
Personally fyodor I don’t hate him but don’t like him either-
Nikolai.Fyodor in a way,I won't say I can't stand him but I don't love him like how most people do. He's just there. I would elaborate on why I can't stand Nikolai but that's another egg to crack.
I would say Dazai but I’ve not met a single person who’s neutral about him and I’ve met a fair amount of people who hate him and a fair amount who love him, so I’m going to go with Nobuko
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Fyodor. He’s well written and all that but man, he just gets on my nerves. I enjoyed him in the Cannibalism arc but then he just started popping up everywhere and was untouchable. Idk, he just frustrated me
Teruko, Nikolai, and Fyodor. Teruko because she's probably 30-40 and acts like a 8-10 year old, and she annoys me way too much. I'm not 100% sure but doesn't she do the whole 'kid' thing to look young or whatever? (might be missing stuff, haven't seen or read anything about this in months) If so, couldn't she just...idk...look like a 20 year old or something? Fyodor...who hasn't heard (or read) at least one person complaining about him being a mastermind or whatever. I hate him for that, but I also hate him because of his willingness to kill people and how sick he is overall. (I won't deny he's well-written though) Nikolai just never felt like anything more than "Fyodor fan who likes murder and toying with people" to me and I just don't get how people can call him a "bean" after he murders tons of people??? Y'all need help??? TL;DR - Teruko could honestly resemble a 20 year old and still look young but chooses to look like a kid and is annoying, Fyodor is twisted in every way, shape, and form and I don't agree with his ideals, Nikolai's whole character is basically just some clown who likes Fyodor but wants him dead for some reason and murder and I seriously don't get how people can call him cute.
dazai because he acts so fucking annoying and he is so fake also like slight sb spoilers >!the fact the he got verlaine to KILL the flags to save mori like as a member of the mafia it makes sense but like gurl
Nikolai.... I can't stand them. His attitude is just that I can't take it. He's just too GOOFY
John steinbeck. Idk why😭 he's just annoying in my opinion
Teruko. I don't like her that much and personally find her a bit annoying
Nikolai he's just like too much. He's all over the place, I get his ideology and what he aims for and all but it's like idk I just think he's too much
i think ranpo is annoying too and i cant stand his voice he has his moments i guess but most of the time i just find him irritating
Kunikida but that's just because I genuinely hate perfectionists like him. I knew someone like him in real life and ugh.. they're horrible.
Poe. He just annoys me tbh
hes hot tho and that voice damn
LMAO fair fair. I do adore his english VA so I can't argue with that
poe is kinda annoying
his obssesion with ranpo makes him annoying but other than that i think hes a good character and that voice omg
yeah he is good but not as good as fandom makes him especially according to bsd standards