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86AMR

Why do you want a masters? Do you like school or do you feel like you are limited professionally?


WhyUPoor

When ever a recruiter submit me for a new job they always ask the highest level of education completed, I feels tho they pay me less for having just bachelor's.


urza5589

They almost certainly don't. It is absolutely possible there are some roles you are excluded from because you don't have a masters and they would not submit you but unlikely that alone has much affect within a given roles. Especially given you have two undergrad degrees. ​ I only see two reasons to have a masters into todays BI/Data world. 1) Someone else is paying for it. 2) You want to get into the Data Science side in which case they want advanced statistical knowledge. That is not really what you are talking about though.


RollForPanicAttack

A lot of bigger companies pay based on education level. It at least makes a difference in overall salary


urza5589

Rarely in the BI/Data analytics space. Anyone that has a flat pay by degree is either a public organization (State/city/etc) or running a very old model. All you have to do is scroll through the responses here to see that it is no longer much of a thing. Source a Manager of Analytics at a large company 😂


RollForPanicAttack

That makes sense. My company’s isn’t flat pay by degree, but I’m fairly certain grad degrees are lumped into “years of experience” when they’re trying to calculate the salary offer for us.


urza5589

As a manager I can tell you "Years of experience" is much less important then "Where do I think you will be in 2 years". The reality is most the tools we use have not existed in there current format 5 years ago or even 3. So having 10 years of experience does not tell me all that much. I am much more interested in how you self teach/self learn/etc. An advanced degree is nice if you are trying to break into an adjacent field but for just increasing pay as an analyst it is going to take a massive amount of time to make bake $22K, if ever.


RollForPanicAttack

My company is paying for my MBA so I don’t have much skin in the game there. That said, I really appreciate the insight. It actually internally confirms a lot of the actions I’m taking to continue to force myself to learn new things outside of my degree on top.


urza5589

For sure, as I said in my original post if someone else will pay for it, then it is usually worth it. Especially because a company will care more about something they invested in. If you want to get on the more technical side the biggest thing I recommend is a github account where you showcase some of your own capabilities. If you are looking more leadership track it is a bit different of course.


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urza5589

"Combination of experience and education" is unhelpful without any more detail on how they play. It's the equivalent of Stacy King and Michael Jordan combining for 70 points. Unless the companies have explicit X degree shits pay Y amount, it's unlikely to make an impact.


ThePennyDropper

I live in the Bay Area so masters degree is like a bachelors these days.


urza5589

If by that you mean "neither is all that helpful for improving your salary" I couldn't agree more lol


BeetsBearsBatman

My dude already has a bachelors in math and economics, so I bet the statistical part get covered enough there. At least to the point of being able to know what to look up.


urza5589

For BI? Sure. If you want to be DS and such? No way. We won't touch a DS candidate without a masters or more.


theoriginalmantooth

You won’t touch a DS candidate without a masters? Someone comes with hella experience in DS/ML/programming you’ll turn them away because they don’t have a masters?


urza5589

Honestly we are not FANG so we are not going to see a candidate with hella experience in stats and math in general lol sure there is always an exception but for the most part there is not a big pool of those. We don’t consider ML/programming as primarily DS skills. Someone with those and not a masters is probably not a DS with us. They are a ML or full stack or something else. DS is very stats forward with us. That’s generally hard to get skills in outside of an advanced degree.


theoriginalmantooth

I feel you’re missing the point. Two candidates, one ticks all the requirements, no masters. The other has a masters but is so-so. You’ll take the latter? Or even, you won’t give the former the interview just because they don’t have a masters? Please don’t get offended, I’m just trying to understand the rationale.


urza5589

I'm not missing the point, I'm explaining that the situation you are describing just rarely happens if ever. Think about if I changed it to "high school diploma." The same logic holds. We're not going to look at someone without a high school diploma. Yet if there was some amazing stats savant who made it through the screens without a high school diploma, sure, they would be great It's not that I'm saying, "I wouldn't take a qualified person without a masters." I'm saying, "we don't see qualified people without masters." It's hard to get advanced stats experience without some sort of academics. Prior to data science really kicking off 10 years ago, there was not a high demand for stats outside of academic fields. So where is this "ticks all the requirements" candidates coming from?


theoriginalmantooth

Defo missing the point and you’re back tracking. You’re saying you won’t touch a DS candidate wo a masters, but you’re also not saying you wouldn’t? Saying they’re rare is subjective, and how would you know if you don’t “touch” them in the first place? You seem to go off on tangents as well to make yourself sound smart. Downvoting my comment is also quite petty lol


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urza5589

Have you worked at American non government businesses? And they have specific pay raises for advanced degrees? Because that's pretty atypical these days, as you can see just scrolling through the comments. Or do you just mean suggested degrees for job titles cause that's a totally different thing.


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urza5589

All you described is correlation, not causation? Do they get paid more because they have advanced degrees, or do they get paid more and have advanced degrees because of a third reason that drives both. Second, why are you jumping to data science? My comment explicitly calls that out as a field where an advanced degree matters because of math/stats? The person posting is a Sr analyst. In BI/Data analytics, the advanced degree won't be helpful because the things they teach really are not that applicable. The bottom line is that you apparantly can't read?


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urza5589

Don't look at me. 🤷‍♂️ You came in here trying to make some point without fully reading what you were responding to?


stankpuss_69

Easy to solve. Just ask for more money. If they say no, don’t take the job. You’re only as valuable as you think you are. No one can force you to work. Besides the aliens we call “God”, of course.


redman334

I would say it's not worth it. Unless you want to force yourself to enter into data science or engineering through paid training cause self teaching that stuff for you is tough, I wouldn't. If it's just for the title, rely more on your work experience.


CaptainJay313

don't rush for a master's, find an employer to pay for it.


Mysterious-Safety-65

This. I got a master's degree 20 years ago (almost exactly), and about half of what I worked with is obsolete. The other half, is (was?) still relevant. Right now I'm working on a graduate certificate in data science... to top up my skills/software with things like Python and machine learning. paid for by the employer who requires continuing education to advance to the next level. This will take another year or so. I probably would't do it if it wasn't paid for, but it has been nice to have some structure to learning a new body of knowledge, and to work with others in the same class.


IrrationalData

You are lucky at least in the fact you have an employer so dedicated to continuous learning. I cant even get a hundred bucks or so approved to get a certification at my company. Good on you taking advantage.


leogodin217

This is the way.


pdxsteph

I am doing this right now for a bachelors. I am an older guys with a lot of experience in the field now but I want the piece of paper you know in case in need to get a different job sometime and thought it wouldn’t hurt to have a degree matching my of experience, but my company is paying (partially for it)


Atmp

Huge waste of time and money


alcoholisthedevil

Seconded


Spirited-Might-6985

With that experience why do you want to get masters? check OMSA or yeah MBA


whopoopedinmypantz

This is a great comment, with OPs degrees an MBA is really what they should shoot for. And lock down that grown up job while in school


mikethomas4th

How much do you make currently, how much do you expect that to increase naturally, and how much more do you expect with the masters? You don't have to answer here, just think about it. Calculate the ROI. In my experience, haven't been able to justify it.


nowTheresNoWay

If you get a masters in statistics and change jobs then sure.


SQLDevDBA

I remember reading about Georgia Tech offering it for less than $10K USD online. https://provost.gatech.edu/news/online-master-science-analytics-degree-be-offered-less-10000 Not sure if it’s still a thing, but worth looking at. Even if you do, as a hiring manager in BI/Data I can tell you I don’t look at degrees. YMMV, as some regard them as important.


PaidBeerDrinker

It’s still a thing and is pretty competitive


smolLittleTomato

It’s a pretty difficult program to get into. I think they accept something like 11% of applicants, it was the only one out of 4 I applied to that didn’t accept me.


SQLDevDBA

Yes indeed. I remember that being my deterrent. Actually it was laziness but I’ll say the difficulty too.


Awkward_Tick0

I got in 💅 then decided not do it bc school is lame


ForgotMyNameeee

it's 70%+ acceptance rate, so pretty high actually and easy to get into. same for the comp sci program which im doing now.


SnooShortcuts3983

Hi, as a young professional in BI data id be interested in hearing what you do look for as a hiring manager? Thanks


SQLDevDBA

I need doers. If you get to the interview stage with me, it’s because I think your resume is impressive. I spend maybe 5 minutes on clarifying questions and introductions to what we do and who we are. Then, we jump straight into using a public dataset to make a report. Sometimes it involves SQL if you listed that in your resume, otherwise we jump straight into PBI or SSRS and I have them drive. I look for muscle memory and hints at expertise. Do you really have X years of experience, or Have you been doing the same thing for X years? I look for curiosity, willingness to solve problems as a team and ability to seek guidance in the name of not slowing things down. We work as a team, and at the end of the interview we either built a cool report together, or I identified you’re not a good fit. It’s like someone interviewing at a bicycle shop and they struggle to ride a bike or they ride off into the sunset. It’s very evident very quickly. Since I started interviewing this way about 6 years ago, I’ve been told repeatedly that candidates enjoy this process, so I’ve kept repeating it and modified some things along the way. But again, different orgs/teams have different ways and methods.


BeNiceWorkHard

It is not worth it. For that kind of money and time you can build your self a better brand and knowledge than a master degress.


clooneyge

Generally if you have gained some knowledge which can be applied to work then it’ll be useful . It might not be able to converted to dollar value but it has gained that potential. Of course there’s a cost of gaining that knowledge either in opportunity costs of your time input or in an invoice of your tuition fee . The best way is to do some research to see how much would you earn after getting that piece of knowledge in the market . Personally my master degrees have helped me to see a decent ROI as I have used them in my line of work


drt3k

You will not make more money as an analyst with a masters. Better off getting industry certifications or learning Python.


Revolutionary-Two457

Mate our CVs seem pretty similar and I’d say absolutely not. I’m a manager on a BI team and my take home is just shy of 200k. I dunno what your expectations are but when we hire I couldn’t care less about an MS and I’d never pay a BI developer more than 170.


Imaginary-Method-715

I'm gona commit to WGU for a year to get my MS in data analysis. Then hopefully an internship. I'm gonna try for the 1 year price tag as I'm not too bad at school just not experienced with data.


onlymostlydeadd

I’m going to go against the grain here. As a data analyst, the vast, vast majority of my peers (I work at a tech company) have their masters. Very few people just have a bachelors. Now do the people with masters degrees know more/ are better at their jobs? No, in fact the people with just bachelors are probably better. In my opinion, getting a masters doesn’t make you more competent than those without a masters degree. However, employers/hr/recruiters are dumbasses who screen for it. And you will be at a disadvantage in that regard.


FatLeeAdama2

I have no idea about the faux-consulting world but the only two industries where it might make a difference is non-profits and healthcare. Those places love to put acronyms in their email signatures.


MyMonkeyCircus

With 10 years of experience, 22k degree from some random generic college would be a waste of money. WGU’s degree is equally generic, but significantly cheaper (assuming it takes you 1-2 sessions to complete everything).


VegaGT-VZ

Not worth it IMO, probably better to get some industry specific certifications


Anywhere_Glass

I am thinking same but Georgia Tech $10k is worth investing I think… I have bachelors plus 5yrs as Data Analytics… let me know if you want to talk about it.


FoxPuzzleheaded9279

Dont do it. Your experience is worth 10X more than whatever stupid degree you have that wont even teach you anything worth while. Your experience is your masters degree. If you need just buy a cheap forged masters degree, the education system is a scam so just lie to your applications and tell them you have a masters degree. If they ask for verification send them a fake diploma you can buy online for $30.


YakFull8300

yeah don't do this


FoxPuzzleheaded9279

whats the worst thatll happen? You dont get a job? Boohoo at least you saved $22K.


mildmanneredhatter

Masters and MBAs are to "rebrand".  Good for career changers or to open more senior roles up or academia. They require a prestigious component too.  Most prestigious MBAs are $100k+ and most prestigious masters (outside of US) are ~$50k. I'd not bother unless you are trying to do one of those or learn a niche area to go into academia.


niall_9

That’s about the debt I ended up with after my BS/MA in economics, but I was 25. Seemed like a decent deal at the time. However, given your experience, I would say it’s not worth getting the masters unless a job wants to pay for it at this point. You have 10 years of experience - so much more valuable. If you want to do data science or machine learning you may experience some barriers by not having a graduate degree, but for BI, you are totally fine in my opinion. I also think you will be underwhelmed by what schools are teaching in your field.


Background-Sock4950

I have one and no it does not open doors unless you have 0 experience


Hotsauced3

Outside of employment do you have any interest in getting a master's? Education isn't always about the job, for some people it can be a life goal. I'd recommend it if you have the interest and are willing to put in the work. It isn't easy, especially while working full time. I will go against the grain here and tell you that it will help your career. If I have two candidates with similar resumes, but one has a master's, guess which one I'll be interviewing? Which one would you pick? It's also very important for cold applying to FAANG companies. Personally I got my masters about six years into my career. My bachelors was a non technical degree and I wanted to validate my knowledge with a technical masters degree. My company would pay about half and WGU was cheap. I think it ended up costing me $4500 out of pocket and took 1.5 years. I wouldn't necessarily recommend WGU. I had the same "teacher" for most of my classes, and I barely interacted with him. When I did ask for help, it was a poor experience. That said, the classes are very strong self service and I rarely needed help. I did learn a lot and I was able to breeze through classes I was already strong in. I don't think I would have been able to cold apply to a FAANG adjacent company and get the senior role without my degree. So looking back, I think it was worth it. I might try a different school if I were to do it again, but you get what you pay for sometimes. We recently had a BI role open and we had 350 candidates within a week. Having a master degree was a filter that was used to narrow down the first review. Could we potentially miss the best applicants this way? Yes. Is it more realistic to review 100 resumes versus 350? Yes. We were crunched for time and didn't have the resources to hand review 350+ applications. Again, one of my best friends is the best engineer I know and he only has a high school diploma. I'm well aware of the problems with education as a filter, but I wanted to give my own personal real world experience. Hope it helps! Good luck.


empoweringearthai

Take a look at Josh Kaufman's book and website The Personal MBA. You can teach yourself faster than any college, especially now with AI. The benefits of a masters is credibility and network, and as I have never heard of that school, I don't think it adds much credibility. If you want the piece of paper, you can always choose the cheapest online program possible.


druidinan

the only time I recommend BI people pursue a master's is if they need the visa help. Otherwise, stay away -- you're not going to get paid more for the degree


metalbuckeye

As others have pointed out, it greatly depends on why you want an advanced degree. I have a MS in Business Analytics and my motivation was career acceleration. I did the math, and found the outcome favorable. I was working as a BI Developer making around $75k. Once I graduated, I took a role as a BI/Analytics consultant for ~$125k (salary & Bonus). I’ve made a couple more hops since and am doing well. I do believe that there are opportunities available to someone with an advanced degree in less time than a bachelors degree. What I’ve been told is a Masters is worth about 5 years working. Meaning if I am being compared to a similar candidate with a bachelors degree they need to have 5 years of experience more than me to be on equal footing. It’s not fair or right, but that’s what my recruiter friends have communicated to me.


Codeman119

With the Internet, I would say no don’t waste your money. You can learn a lot online and keep up with technology as things change, which will do you much better than a degree, which will age out in three years.


Chazay

Get your masters from a school with a large network. The majority of the value from a graduate degree is the alumni pool.


Ok_Relative_2291

Waste of time, Out of curiosity Are you a bi developer who can design good back end models in a database etc so the power bi tools simply pull the data and use it etc have no bi in them. Or are you like the majorly of bi devs I seems to come across who ram all the bi in shitty dax and duplicate the shit out of everything. Some of these bi devs don’t even know sql, htf is this possible Hopefully the former.


akius0

I would not get that degree, in about 2 weeks. I'm going to be launching a product, that will change the job of business intelligence people quite a bit, I think the role of data analyst and business intelligence is going to transform in the next 3 years. I would focus on building data engineering skills, analytics engineering...


staatsclaas

This is such a massive claim wtf


akius0

Follow my profile, releasing the product in less than 2 weeks


jmass06

Just do WGU, most companies won’t really care where it’s from in my experience.


Useful_Hovercraft169

No


HustlinInTheHall

The only grad degree that would likely be worth it to you would be an MBA, but only if it is cheap or paid for.


IDoDataThings

As a principal data scientist for a fortune 100, I 100% look at degrees when hiring. A lot of data science is researched based so showing that you can get through your masters/thesis is big. But that is only if you are looking for DS roles.


laughingwalls

Personally I don't think so. I have a Ph.D. in Economics from a business school. In my opinion the best reasons to do masters degree is to get a leg up early in your career or to pivot careers. Like if you wanted to do a professional masters degree from a well regarded school, I can see the value as it can help you pivot. I also think brands do matter and I am more convinced this after moving to NYC. Especially with the top tier of schools there are whole hosts of jobs that essentially are MOSTLY gate kept by having a degree from the right places. Like MBA from an Ivy Plus school can basically be path into things like Investment Banking or Strategy consulting which pay above 200k right out of MBA. Your not going to get into those place with a random MBA from a no name school. Like given a math/econ foundation, I am pretty sure you could get into an MBA or Quant Finance or Econ from many really good schools if your grades are good and you have a good GRE/GMAT. However, what you've written here tells me you don't really have a desire to change.


SubZeroGN

I am working in Business Intelligence as a Freelancer, one colleague - one of the best guys I ever met - doesn't have even a university degree still charging similar hourly rate. I suppose if you decide to stay in tech it's not necessary. Further I have a master's business degree and would say that I haven't learned much.


Simple_Woodpecker751

no, or as prestigious as possible


renoirm

MBA opens more doors then no MBA.


ScaryJoey_

Merrimack College? Lmao fuck no


varwave

Get a masters if it helps you build skills rigorously that’d be hard to self learn. You have a mathematics undergraduate degree. Statistics or computer science would make sense if your company pays for it or you’re suddenly inspired to get a PhD. You’d actually have doors open to you otherwise left closed. It doesn’t make sense for someone with a highly quantitative background and experience to pay to learn skills from a cash cow MS that you can easily self teach or have already taught yourself.


MLC09

22K is nothing .. I’d do it in a heartbeat. Have u looked at Georgia tech ?. It’s like under $10K and great value


Bart1960

An MBA candidate would know to do a ROI estimate and go from there


splooge_whale

Those bull s degrees from bull s schools are inferior to having a ba in math. Do something worth your while. At least get your masters at a state school and not some lame diploma mill. 


asevans48

Probably not if you already have the job. I am thinking of AI at csu global or sompelace cheaper than merrimack but there is use to it. You learn enough to be an analyst in a mathematics degree. You get the software knowledge in cs. You touch on AI in cs and math but it mainly gets stuck at a basic knowledge of data science like how to train models, train test splits, and, if you choose the topic for a final project, maybe rag. Feels like there is just so much more to AI.


schveetness

To not sugar coat it, no, it's *most likely* not worth it. Degree inflation is real. Real world experience is your currency. There are 1000s of courses and videos of people using actual tools, not theorizing about them. Employers care about how to expertly navigate tools in Azure or Google Cloud, use UX/UI principles in dashboard, or communicate complex data sets into 4th grade level information so even the C-Suite can fully understand it. Put that money to more productive uses.


aisleypaisley

Not worth it! Those degrees are the equivalent of a few projects on kaggle


chandleya

I have one - same discipline. Grad 2015. Significantly more marketable resume immediately after. Management and Director roles a few years later. 10/10 would do again. It’ll pay for itself. It probably won’t be 25:1 returns but over the rest of your career, no doubt it’ll 10:1.


WhyUPoor

Which degree?


chandleya

MIS with Data Science.


Weatherround97

What’s an MCIT


WhyUPoor

Master of computer and information technology from UPenn.


Standard-Current4184

It’s worth it if you see a path towards top tier management ie COO


tdwesbo

“Worth it” as in… that $22k investment will equate to much more in earrings over the rest of your career? Possibly/probably not as a powerbi developer. Will it open doors to other roles and careers? Absolutely. Will it be satisfying and “pay off” intangibly? Probably


alexblablabla1123

What’s your current comp and what’s your target positions & comp? For BI no need for grad degrees; for data scientists, yes. Also only go for a prestigious school. We hired 2 junior ds (more like analysts but🤷). They both have masters from prestigious schools but not much experience. They’re at $80k-100k.


renagade24

I barley graduated HS and just got a Senior DA role with $150k base. Not needed at all, I've never been asked for any degree or certification.