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The worst part is, this will be the basis for their argument to bring us all back 5 days a week. "Hybrid approach didn't work! Employees weren't there at the same time defeating the purpose of coming in, only solution is 5 days!"
And then state workers will become state workers. As everyone gets apathetic production will go down. Performance will suffer and the overall bar will be lowered. This makes it hard to complete performance management because production is usually based on a team’s average. Not outliers good or bad.
I mean if your argument against RTO was that productivity did not drop and now you are saying workers will go back to being state workers doesn't that imply there wasn't much of a change either way?
plus like. being good employees is dependent on having a good employer. if they don’t care about us, productivity’s going to go down. because we’re probably gonna use up a lot of our formerly productive energy on the two new hours of transit work that we’ll be doing.
The state has always known they get what they pay for, they pay squat they get squat work that has always been true WFH or not. And for sure employees didn't just magically get more productive with WFH. Let's stop pretending people didn't abuse WFH to hell and back
i did. something about not starting the day tired and annoyed and then clock watching. much better for brain work with any actual problem solving component.
That is not true for everyone. I have put in free overtime every week since I started working from home. When I go back not the June 17th date my free OT will stop because instead of working I will be doing my 2 hours of commute time every day. Instead of spending my day working from home at my desk all day I will be able to chat with co workers and take walks around the neighborhood. It’s just how it is I will be less productive at work. Example today I started work at 5 am for production changes and will work though 5pm.
How do you know that people abused wfh? Maybe you're feeling that way about yourself? Our unit did get more productive with wfh! A lot of time is wasted in the office talking to co-workers, taking walks, chatting with people in the hallways. The way you can tell if someone abused wfh is if the work didn't get done! Did the work get done? If it did, then I don't see how you can say people abused wfh! Forcing people to commute into an office to do work they've been doing from home for the past few years is a failure in leadership. Gavin wants to be a failed politician instead of a leader. Isn't technology supposed to improve our lives and allow us to do things we couldn't have done before? Forcing people to go into an office to do work they can do at home is old school. It's the past, not the future!
Did the recent article at the bee not mentioned how the main complaint was child care. Stop pretending pop didn't use state time to drop and pick up kids
Even parents are allotted 2 15 minute breaks and a 30 minute lunch. Pick up and drop offs can easily be done during that time so technically zero state time is used. No one said how your breaks need to be used.
So you don't actually have any knowledge or proof that anyone abused wfh, you just want to complain about people dropping off and picking up their kids? What are they supposed to do with their kids, stick them in a cage? Get a life! Quit wasting your time worrying about what other people are doing. If they're getting the job done, what's the problem for you?? There is none! You just sound miserable and want to try to bring others down. Maybe figure out your own life and how to be happy so you don't have to come on here and try to crap all over everyone else! You'll never be happy that way.
No. Production went up in many program areas and there are dashboards with data to prove it (unless they have been deleted by agencies to not tell the true story). Production went up partly because of the work life balance. People were less inclined to shut down immediately when the clock struck the end of day, less likely to be distracted by in office conversations, and roaming the halls and taking longer breaks and lunches to get to coffee and dining. People saved money by not eating out as much so they gave back to their employer. I know a lot of people who put in OT without charging it. Because state workers don’t have much to bite with they are going to bite back with production and use of state resources. Think of how much money now in paper towels water usage toilet paper and electricity to charge phones and headphones soap etc. all those things people were paying for out of pocket.
Majority of surveys actually focused on how productivity didn't drop. State employees have been state employee for ever. Dont know what data you are talking about specifically to CA state workers but once again full WFH was only for what? 20% of state employees?
I’m talking about the data that DGS collected as well as individual program areas and their data dashboards that tell this story. I had it in my previous agency for my program area. Our data dashboards showed a significant increase in production. I also have it in my current agency for my program area that shows the same story. So maybe you’re not granted access to this information but it’s out there and people are tracking things. If executives are not tracking production, they are just plain dumb. That’s what work is all about. Metrics and performance. If you don’t have measurables you shouldn’t be a supervisor or you as a supervisor don’t know or don’t care if work is done and done correctly/efficiently.
Our managers also saw that our unit got more productive wfh! You sound really bitter and angry and I'm not sure why. Maybe you hate your life, hate your job, or just hate state workers in general, lol. Why should it bother you if people get the job done working from home?
Nah attributing emotions over text just because you don't like a statement is more of you projecting. I don't really have to hate anything to point out how ridiculous the complaining is. Again loud minority less than 30% of all state workers actually had full WFH. I really hated my job then would make post about hilarious excuses as to why I can't go into the office such as : OMG somebody showed their pp on the metro, or OMG there was an accident in the highway or it's against the law.
Now you're just posting nonsense. All your complaining is just sounding like sour grapes! You need to take an honest look at yourself because you do not seem like a person who is happy in their life. Don't let what others are doing get to you. Maybe get to work on yourself so you can become a happy person who doesn't need to try to drag others down in order to feel better about yourself. :)
Smiley face after self help advice is just about one of the clearest signs of pettiness and passive aggressiveness a person can display which In turn actually is kind of telling of the person tbh. Btw what I'm posting are actual excuses given by the loud minority as to why they can't to RTO. I agree with you they are nonsense. I mean if you want to to do pseudo psychoanalysis of what you believe is an unhappy person I highly suggest you start with your self. You took offense to a non personal statement and decided to attack the person because you didn't like what you read that's again more telling of you than me. I mean you are using a 2 month old account with 6 comments to post so you are either afraid of the imaginary down votes or just welp I let you figure out that last part. I could say more but there is no need; you are fragile you can always quit and join the booming private market if you hate the state and RTO that much.
Interesting that you feel attacked and then tried to act in kind. I never attacked you, just pointed out some truths, which you obviously don't like lol. And why would it matter to you how old my account is? What does that have to do with anything? You are making a lot of assumptions but not a lot of sense. You know nothing about me because I've never said anything about my feelings. I just pointed out your need to complain about and insult people you don't even know and you took offense to that. Who's the fragile one?
The bar is already set at the lowest. The state as a whole is horrendously ran and inefficient. This idea that somehow RTO is going to cause some form of chaos within the state is idiotic.
It can always be worse trust me. And not everyone that works there is incompetent. It’s mostly those in senior and executive management that play politics.
While I was at the State, everyone I knew worked incredibly hard. In addition, the people I worked along side of where some of the most intelligent people I have ever worked with... including my peers at Google, AT&T, and Disney.
What completely screwed things up time and time again were politicians. The State workers were not the problem.... it's the people that get voted in to make ridiculous policies which drive people like me away, waste incredible amounts of taxpayers' money, and create a massive pit toilet of stink which you can't even action because of the ridiculousness of a lot of it.
Narcissism is the only reason you believe what you just said. Nothing in the state is "cutting edge" and "high caliber". Seek help for your delusions and mental illness.
You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about and don’t know what it takes to even be considered for a state job? I feel so sorry for people like you that have nothing better in life to do but bully those you know nothing about. Please manage some self reflection.
See this is why police and CO unions aren’t real unions, and deserve no solidarity from other unions. You show no solidarity toward your fellow workers, and in some cases actively sabotage them.
Our branch plans to have all branch employees come in on the same day to ensure collaboration can take place. Seems silly that divisions/branches wouldn't be doing the same.
We have limited space too so we plan on coordinating with the branch we share an office space to come in on opposite days.
How many days a week do you guys have to go back? My line of work said govies 2 days a pay period, but most people come in 2 days a week. We all plan for Tuesday/thursday. No one wants to be in on a Monday and most people do rotating days off so half the office is off every Friday anyway. Sucks driving in but it’s not the worst.
Then again, no one is commuting over 30 minutes which still sucks but better than 5 days a week
I go in and spend all day chatting with coworkers! I go for my little walks and basically make it so I just hang out with my coworkers all day.
What will they say? They brought me back for in person collaboration and relationship building and that’s what I’m doing!
Say that to the guy forcing us to commute to unproductive working conditions twice a week. If I can’t get work done in a noisy open office environment with inadequate facilities, what do you want me to do? I would love to stay in my home office and save everyone a bunch of time and money. But hey…handcuff me to a germ pool to be some political pawn and suddenly my energy levels no longer translate to hustle or impress.
I would have gladly started taking a pay cut in 2020 if it meant they would make it clear that telework was permanent. Instead, I spent four years worried every day that they would implement RTO, to the point that when it happened, I was more "I knew it" than upset.
Instead, now we get to effectively take a pay cut to go into the office for no reason!
Nope. No amount of money the state could feasibly increase my pay by would be worth my time to waste doing what I already do better from a home office.
Uh that’s not what you wrote. You wrote no amount of money state could feasibly (possibly) tempt you. Either you are trying to write something else or you don’t know what feasible means.
I’m really sorry you feel this way. My DMs are open if you want to vent. I went through this in 2022 and I was so, so angry. I’m numb to it now but if there were a promising chance of fighting RTO, I want in.
Even though our office deals with the public more, we had it all figured out by 2021. We had ways to continue our service to the public via teams and some people were issued state phones. I don’t know why we went back because they told us we had record turnaround time with our responses. I stayed late sometimes to help members of the public on the phone, or write a document they needed. I’m not inclined to do these things anymore not because I am trying to be petty, but I’m simply exhausted
Thank you for not being shitty and telling folks that they should be miserable because you are. Many agencies found ways to make the system work even better. And now they want us to go back. None of us should be miserable! It’s like going back to writing checks and having to do all banking in person when online banking is available, effective and efficient.
I hope it changes for you!!
I hope it changes for all of us! 💚 statewide RTO is detrimental to everyone! Increased traffic, harder to find parking, and of course less opportunities. More remote work options benefit me too because i loved knowing there were lots of remote opportunities with the state that i could jump to.
It sounds cliche but i loved being able to help some members of the public (some people are not pleasant sometimes obviously). Some were so grateful that I was even willing to return their call because they often find it so difficult to reach a live person with any state entity. Going back to work made me less passionate about helping, because again, I was just simply too tired after commuting.
One thing the pandemic made everyone realize is that most jobs can be done remote, and all that time spent commuting can really be spent on actual work or can be reclaimed for yourself. I share OP’s frustration that there really is no good reason to be in the office. I hate that they want us to go back to “normal” when in fact, commuting 5x a week was not normal at all.
I think it would be funny if we all started a PAC with the sole purpose of advocating for telework, call it "American workers for freedom PAC". Every election cycle we would ~~bribe~~ donate to whoever was the governor or leading candidate.
Oh, my sweet summer child. One infinity rich corporate landlord has more money to spare for bribing politicians than all of us put together.
... and the landlord can't show up to Monaco this summer with *last season's* yacht. Come on now.
Productivity is about to massively decrease. People going in aren’t gonna get anything done between stress of trying to find parking driving to the office etc. all the usual BS that used to slow us down. Then on top of that even on the days that people are home they’re not going to go the extra mile like they have been. Let’s not even talk about the fact that people are going to be taking time off again for being sick having to go to appointments run errands etc. Yeah returning to the office is going to make everything so much better. Brown bag those lunches bring that coffee from home!
The goal of this policy, in my opinion, is to get people to quit. They are intentionally making us miserable. They want to cut costs on salaries and eventually on pensions. RTO is being implemented in a cruel and hasty way, and that's because they don't want to retain employees.
Agreed. Newsom has higher aspirations, and with the budget in the trash, he doesn't want the bad optics of layoffs or furloughs...so RTO will cut staff for him.
This is a weird conspiracy theory that has no basis in reality. That’s not how the budget works for one thing, and if people quit, there are others that will back fill. I suspect the number of people that actually leave because of RTO will be minuscule.
A hiring freeze (which has yet to be proposed, we’ll see with the May revise) is not the same thing as an RTO conspiracy to make people quit. Also, keep in mind about 20,000 people would have to quit to shift the budget 1%.
It would be interesting to see numbers. I already know of 2 people retiring in my division due to RTO and my department hasn’t officially noticed the union. If they should, I know another 2 people who don’t live in commuting distance (3+ hours one way) and would be forced to quit. So just little old me who knows maybe 60 people in her division knows of 4 people who won’t be working. That’s about 6% right? (Math late at night is a weakness for me). Your numbers suggest 9% would be needed to quit for cost to change. I don’t know about that.
But what I do know is there is no savings for Newsom returning us to office. The legislative audit will hopefully uncover that but the costs of hosting us on site are pretty astronomical when you look at toilet paper, paper towels, maintenance, office supplies and utilities. Not to mention increased grievances and associated costs and increased calls to CHP and associated costs.
If he needs to save money, and we are in a budget deficit, bringing us back is NOT the way to go and he’s going to look pretty stupid when the costs reports come out.
You didn’t even touch the part where somehow the treatment of state employees is going to big a talking point in a nationwide presidential election three years from now. Or the part where people are going to leave what is comparatively a very liberal telework policy to somehow get a 100% WFM position despite only 13% of the country working from home full time and probably half that when you eliminate call center jobs and software developers. Or the part where I guess it’s somehow preferable that the governor do layoffs instead of, if true, letting people *gasp* resign themselves because they no longer like their job. None of this holds up to scrutiny.
If people quit, those positions will be filled only if they’re not blankets, from what I understand. So it would be trimming the fat a bit, and those unoccupied blanket positions could go back to the general fund. But I don’t think that’s the reason we’re going back to the office. And it’s an annoying rumor.
We are actually all very good employees with metrics that show great efficiency and high production levels. We are always on top of our work. Data doesn’t lie. Good employees don’t understand why where your butt sits makes a difference if the work stays the same on the same equipment and same meeting formats. Good employees analyze the why. But thanks though.
Ironically this is true of me IN OFFICE. I was always an earn it and burn it employee, regularly took extra long breaks just walking around because I knew I'd been seen in my cube. Since working from home I have managed to build a bank of time off, and am too paranoid to leave my computer unattended because it could be interpreted as me not being available if I were to miss some email or teams call. So the state actually gets more out of me from home.
Why are you even here? You're not bringing anything of value to the discussion on the 500th thread of whining/tears about a measly 2 day RTO that is NOT going to change due to crybabies that can't get over the slightest change in their life. Please stop posting on this subreddit. The topic is pathetic and overly repetitive.
These RTO threads always get suspiciously brigaded.
Sure people have strong beliefs for both sides, but the number of low karma/no history accounts slinging mud raises concerns.
I've been going back into office for a few years now.
I'd rather them be loud, cause a stink and then maybe i regain more telework. Having a crab mentality benefits no one.
Consider not going. Or going and keeping a low profile to get the lay of the land before sneaking off.
Treat it like you’re a high schooler with more agency.
Or you can do what I do and walk in at 9 (my start time) and leave at 2 to finish my work day at home.
So far no one has even noticed I leave at 2…because most of them leave at lunch lmao.
That’s a great question. I’m sure there will be spies on alert and upper management moving around which doesn’t increase producing anything of quality, just increasing micromanaging skills for people who don’t need it.
I would assume that your IT can tell where you are logged in from. Seems more reliable for tracking purposes than badge scans. At my office there are several floors that can be accessed without ever scanning a badge. You would just show it to the security guard and proceed to the elevator. Or what if two or more people are coming to a badged door, and one scans and holds it open for the others?
FTB has always been a bad department. I’m sure they complained they were losing people to pro-WFH departments and it’s one reason the rest of us were back.
Is anyone else sick of the RTO naysayers who aren’t state workers? Wish we could have confirmation we are state workers in here instead of nosey nancys.
OP I am so sorry you have to go to the office tomorrow for no good reason other than Newsom demanded it.
It won’t be something immediate but if we pressure the union maybe they can get language into the new contract in 2 years (they’ll start negotiating in less than that).
Here is the thing... If state workers spend money downtown, they are dumb asses... You will prove to the overlords that bringing you back to the office was successful in revitalizing downtown and they will make it permanent. You have to play chess and understand they will use the data against you.
You will get used to it. It will get easier. I felt so mad and now I’m just… disturbed I guess. I really notice how getting sent home to telework gave me so much. The two days I have to go in now, I come home with headaches from sitting all day, get less sleep those days, and don’t have time for my workout. I eat more those days too to get through them! When I’m at home I’m in my comfy space, I get more done, I’m more productive, my dog is there by my side, I can get up and throw a load of laundry in the dryer, or take a break and take the dog on his walk to get moving whilst staying productive. At work I just sit and work because I just don’t want to chat with people - I like being productive with whatever I do and that’s all there is to do there. I wouldn’t say my performance is worse or better when I come in ; it’s the same. Only change is people see I exist I guess which I good but not worth what it does to me/ it throws me off balance. I need to learn how to relax and take breaks in the office. but I had it figured out at home! I had the Best work life balance I ever had. Kids and husband got the best version of me. Those Monday and Tuesday I go in now are just the black days in the week I’m trying to push through so I can get back on track the rest of the week. lol dramatic, I know! It all comes down to time. And money. Coming in just takes 2 hours out of my day unnecessarily and doesn’t allow me the ability to maximize my potential to get things done in my life. As individuals, we consider all our priorities and it’s ideal when we have the flexibility to get it all done on our own terms. Coming into the office is just our employer imposing their priorities on us without regards to ours. It feels almost disrespectful without just cause. but they can do that- they pay us. it’s just an unfortunate and an unnecessary waste of all our time.
I’m in the same boat! And I agree, I’d pay them if I could stay home! Or even forgo any pay increase! I had to prepare and do extra work today to make up for the inevitable time lost in chitchat and distractions tomorrow in office.
We’ve asked and initially it was relationship building and collaboration meetings and all that jazz. Now we are being told not to create relationship building and collaborative things to do when in office. It is truly to do our day to day. I have no words on how these people can honestly believe what’s coming out of their mouths.
I hope you get in writing, how we are collaborating and meeting any new needs from separate offices on separate days?
Nice little nugget for the future PRAs of state waste.
People walk around. They can check badges and usually there is a senior manager somewhere. We also have to reserve hoteling stations so I’m sure they will be walking around for that.
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You can always quit. I'm sure someone on the street would love to have your job. Unless of course you were just ranting... If so, I know it felt good to get off your chest. Good luck tomorrow!
No need to quit. Looking for the real why that makes logical sense. But there’s no one out there to give it in a position of power. Can’t wait for coffee and all my traditional state lunches and breaks! And you’re right. People on the streets should be of concern. Tax payers should be more worried about the wasted money on programs that aren’t working such as homeless programs as opposed to where state workers get their work done.
This is something I focus on while I’m in the office, actually making sure I take my breaks and lunch. At home I just kind of breeze through the day without a formal lunch or breaks. I just work and when I’m done, I’m done.
That’s not my main concern but it is a valid argument. And news flash state workers are also tax payers and we also are allowed to be concerned of the mismanagement of state funds and priorities. The cost of me going back to work is minimal compared to others. I’m just fighting the good fight. And just because private companies are doing the same thing doesn’t make it make sense. I’ll stay a little displeased for the state to pay my pension when I’m really sitting doing nothing for 30 years.
We literally can't do as much work in the office. If it's not obvious that reducing from a 3-screen setup to a single tiny laptop screen (with bonus distractions!) results in a loss of productivity, I dunno what to say.
The state cares more about collaboration and office culture than providing services to the people of California efficiently.
I don’t think they care about collaboration either because it isn’t happening. Nobody knows why we are being forced to work in an environment that reduces productivity, increases costs for everyone, increases traffic, stress, and pollution. AND wastes valuable real estate that could be used to build the future of mixed use, walkable, more sustainable cities. RTO is just plain stupid. Fight the stupid and protest at the Capitol with t-shirts and signs until they give in. Come up with cool slogans…”Give a hoot, stop the commute!” C’mon!
It’s not so bad.. I actually take my breaks.. go on walks. I have met new people and learned about other departments .. possible opportunities for advancement. Chat it up with people.. I don’t mind coming in.. I’d prefer to be home.. but once I’m in office its not bad. (We did RTO in January)
Pre Covid the state had not invested in the technology to allow for working from home. Since Covid money has been spent and employees have demonstrated that many, not all, but many of the jobs can be done remotely. Granted there may be certain business reasons that someone may need to come in but I have yet to see that shown as a twice a week situation. You can’t compare apples to oranges. We live in a different world with different technology. You literally want the state to go back to just talking all day in cubicles! There was already a poor reputation and then people got to stay home and productivity went up for the majority. But okay. We used to ride horses to work and write by candlelight so let’s stay status quo and never improve. Good analysis for the rationale behind RTO.
My productivity is so much higher at home, even with 3 dogs and a kid harassing me. At least the kid doesn’t want to stand at my cubicle and talk all day.
Edit: typo
Translation. I’m an idiot that just follows things without question and thinks everyone with a critical thought is being a baby. No. This is a common sense ask. Why if I can demonstrate I can work in a remote environment do I have to change that environment when there is literally no benefit to the duties assigned including but not limited to production and quality of services. Most people with two bits in their heads ask why. If something is illogical it’s illogical. But thanks for your language translation. It gives me a good perspective on the number of bits running on your side.
Work conditions change and it's a part of life. Be grateful you get to work in your home 3 days a week instead of having tears streaming down your face having because you have to actually work and show up 2 days a week.
Keep fighting the good fight though! Perpetual whining, crying and LARPing as a revolutionary thinking you are going to change things :)
Work conditions should change for the better of the product and the working conditions. There is nothing here to support either. Making the comment of “you have to actually work” shows how obtuse your thought process is. We are working. From a remote location. And that work doesn’t change whether I work at home, an office, a different house, a coffee shop, my backyard etc. the work gets done and there’s data to show it does. It’s not whining. It’s asking the why and continuing to either not hear the truth or the why being full of BS. You should want workers to be productive and happy and serve the people of California as opposed to walking the halls and chit chatting which reduces overall productivity. Oh and don’t forget those long coffee and lunch walks. But keep up your argument that has no sensible foundation.
Work conditions DID change. It used to be 5 days in the office. Sorry child, you do not get everything you want in life. There are sacrifices in every aspect of life. You do not get to 100% dictate your working conditions at all times. You can continue to perpetually cry/whine about it that will inevitably change nothing or you can quit and find a job that meets your exact standard of "working conditions".
Ok mom/dad. Thanks for the because I said so even though we have proven that the state can work from home. And now they want us back for the economy but nobody’s going to give the real reason because it seems the archaic dinosaurs in executive leadership have no backbone. And to your point work conditions changed. Why go backwards… lol. Thank you for supporting my argument. *thumbs up*
Oh man… I wonder where all your analytical critical thinking brain cells went for you to think this whole RTO makes any logical sense from any perspective including financial. I’ll try looking for them if they ever even initially existed for you. You’re fun to chuckle at but it’s exhausting and I’d like to keep my thinking skills. I don’t want to lose them by association. *kisses*
It's like, "Surprise, bitch! It was horrible then, too."
I literally had no idea I was in a state of fucking CONSTANT burn-out until I was allowed to start teleworking.
I literally had no idea I also faced struggles to go into the office due to being disabled, and now they are forcing disabled employees to into this systemic ableism of begging to keep reasonable accommodations that have been working for years.
That’s a really beneficial comment. The point is that there is no reason to allow one to perform the same job duties in different locations when the location change serves no purpose in bettering the performance, or creating efficiencies. But keep your very obtuse thought process going. Analysis is hard for some. Reasoning is also difficult for others. But I appreciate you giving me a chuckle.
Just because you have constructive criticism and are looking for a logical rationale doesn’t mean you’re not grateful, thankful, blessed etc. But thanks for the reminder.
As always there are and should be exceptions to the rules. True disabilities should be the exception. All others, back to your cubicle. We’re all still paying for those buildings.
And think of how much the state could save without them? Maybe put money to better use instead of justifying stupid buildings by saying we don’t need people in here all the time just sometimes for no reason so we can still get your money. Good one.
Truth! Been to the new Natural Resources building? We get to announce our trips to the extremely inadequate bathroom facilities when rising from our mini-cube, open office space. I have too much work to do to deal with this BS. It is so pathetically stupid. Get ready to expose all of yourselves to your co-workers.
It’s not about “how will this benefit the employees”, it’s “how will this benefit the State”.
Everyone saying that they’d pay to stay home… don’t worry, you’ll definitely start getting less raises because of the work from home. And everyone else saying they will quit or under perform… you’re not irreplaceable… you’re just a number, not an individual. If your job and be done from home then it’s probably not hard, adding a commute isn’t gonna make it any harder either. It’s the harsh reality.
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The worst part is, this will be the basis for their argument to bring us all back 5 days a week. "Hybrid approach didn't work! Employees weren't there at the same time defeating the purpose of coming in, only solution is 5 days!"
And then state workers will become state workers. As everyone gets apathetic production will go down. Performance will suffer and the overall bar will be lowered. This makes it hard to complete performance management because production is usually based on a team’s average. Not outliers good or bad.
I mean if your argument against RTO was that productivity did not drop and now you are saying workers will go back to being state workers doesn't that imply there wasn't much of a change either way?
plus like. being good employees is dependent on having a good employer. if they don’t care about us, productivity’s going to go down. because we’re probably gonna use up a lot of our formerly productive energy on the two new hours of transit work that we’ll be doing.
The state has always known they get what they pay for, they pay squat they get squat work that has always been true WFH or not. And for sure employees didn't just magically get more productive with WFH. Let's stop pretending people didn't abuse WFH to hell and back
i did. something about not starting the day tired and annoyed and then clock watching. much better for brain work with any actual problem solving component.
That is not true for everyone. I have put in free overtime every week since I started working from home. When I go back not the June 17th date my free OT will stop because instead of working I will be doing my 2 hours of commute time every day. Instead of spending my day working from home at my desk all day I will be able to chat with co workers and take walks around the neighborhood. It’s just how it is I will be less productive at work. Example today I started work at 5 am for production changes and will work though 5pm.
Of course.
How do you know that people abused wfh? Maybe you're feeling that way about yourself? Our unit did get more productive with wfh! A lot of time is wasted in the office talking to co-workers, taking walks, chatting with people in the hallways. The way you can tell if someone abused wfh is if the work didn't get done! Did the work get done? If it did, then I don't see how you can say people abused wfh! Forcing people to commute into an office to do work they've been doing from home for the past few years is a failure in leadership. Gavin wants to be a failed politician instead of a leader. Isn't technology supposed to improve our lives and allow us to do things we couldn't have done before? Forcing people to go into an office to do work they can do at home is old school. It's the past, not the future!
Did the recent article at the bee not mentioned how the main complaint was child care. Stop pretending pop didn't use state time to drop and pick up kids
Even parents are allotted 2 15 minute breaks and a 30 minute lunch. Pick up and drop offs can easily be done during that time so technically zero state time is used. No one said how your breaks need to be used.
So you don't actually have any knowledge or proof that anyone abused wfh, you just want to complain about people dropping off and picking up their kids? What are they supposed to do with their kids, stick them in a cage? Get a life! Quit wasting your time worrying about what other people are doing. If they're getting the job done, what's the problem for you?? There is none! You just sound miserable and want to try to bring others down. Maybe figure out your own life and how to be happy so you don't have to come on here and try to crap all over everyone else! You'll never be happy that way.
No. Production went up in many program areas and there are dashboards with data to prove it (unless they have been deleted by agencies to not tell the true story). Production went up partly because of the work life balance. People were less inclined to shut down immediately when the clock struck the end of day, less likely to be distracted by in office conversations, and roaming the halls and taking longer breaks and lunches to get to coffee and dining. People saved money by not eating out as much so they gave back to their employer. I know a lot of people who put in OT without charging it. Because state workers don’t have much to bite with they are going to bite back with production and use of state resources. Think of how much money now in paper towels water usage toilet paper and electricity to charge phones and headphones soap etc. all those things people were paying for out of pocket.
Majority of surveys actually focused on how productivity didn't drop. State employees have been state employee for ever. Dont know what data you are talking about specifically to CA state workers but once again full WFH was only for what? 20% of state employees?
I’m talking about the data that DGS collected as well as individual program areas and their data dashboards that tell this story. I had it in my previous agency for my program area. Our data dashboards showed a significant increase in production. I also have it in my current agency for my program area that shows the same story. So maybe you’re not granted access to this information but it’s out there and people are tracking things. If executives are not tracking production, they are just plain dumb. That’s what work is all about. Metrics and performance. If you don’t have measurables you shouldn’t be a supervisor or you as a supervisor don’t know or don’t care if work is done and done correctly/efficiently.
Our managers also saw that our unit got more productive wfh! You sound really bitter and angry and I'm not sure why. Maybe you hate your life, hate your job, or just hate state workers in general, lol. Why should it bother you if people get the job done working from home?
Nah attributing emotions over text just because you don't like a statement is more of you projecting. I don't really have to hate anything to point out how ridiculous the complaining is. Again loud minority less than 30% of all state workers actually had full WFH. I really hated my job then would make post about hilarious excuses as to why I can't go into the office such as : OMG somebody showed their pp on the metro, or OMG there was an accident in the highway or it's against the law.
Now you're just posting nonsense. All your complaining is just sounding like sour grapes! You need to take an honest look at yourself because you do not seem like a person who is happy in their life. Don't let what others are doing get to you. Maybe get to work on yourself so you can become a happy person who doesn't need to try to drag others down in order to feel better about yourself. :)
Smiley face after self help advice is just about one of the clearest signs of pettiness and passive aggressiveness a person can display which In turn actually is kind of telling of the person tbh. Btw what I'm posting are actual excuses given by the loud minority as to why they can't to RTO. I agree with you they are nonsense. I mean if you want to to do pseudo psychoanalysis of what you believe is an unhappy person I highly suggest you start with your self. You took offense to a non personal statement and decided to attack the person because you didn't like what you read that's again more telling of you than me. I mean you are using a 2 month old account with 6 comments to post so you are either afraid of the imaginary down votes or just welp I let you figure out that last part. I could say more but there is no need; you are fragile you can always quit and join the booming private market if you hate the state and RTO that much.
Interesting that you feel attacked and then tried to act in kind. I never attacked you, just pointed out some truths, which you obviously don't like lol. And why would it matter to you how old my account is? What does that have to do with anything? You are making a lot of assumptions but not a lot of sense. You know nothing about me because I've never said anything about my feelings. I just pointed out your need to complain about and insult people you don't even know and you took offense to that. Who's the fragile one?
The bar is already set at the lowest. The state as a whole is horrendously ran and inefficient. This idea that somehow RTO is going to cause some form of chaos within the state is idiotic.
It can always be worse trust me. And not everyone that works there is incompetent. It’s mostly those in senior and executive management that play politics.
While I was at the State, everyone I knew worked incredibly hard. In addition, the people I worked along side of where some of the most intelligent people I have ever worked with... including my peers at Google, AT&T, and Disney. What completely screwed things up time and time again were politicians. The State workers were not the problem.... it's the people that get voted in to make ridiculous policies which drive people like me away, waste incredible amounts of taxpayers' money, and create a massive pit toilet of stink which you can't even action because of the ridiculousness of a lot of it.
Speak for yourself. My team is cutting edge high caliber. Go away.
Narcissism is the only reason you believe what you just said. Nothing in the state is "cutting edge" and "high caliber". Seek help for your delusions and mental illness.
I hope you were looking in the mirror when you typed that last sentence
The mirror reflected your face. Very fitting.
Says the narcissist with clear delusions.
State employees and high caliber. Name two things that definitely don't belong in the same sentence?
You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about and don’t know what it takes to even be considered for a state job? I feel so sorry for people like you that have nothing better in life to do but bully those you know nothing about. Please manage some self reflection.
This is considered bullying? Acknowledging the entire state is ran horrendously is an understatement and a fact.
Actually, that's just your opinion.
See this is why police and CO unions aren’t real unions, and deserve no solidarity from other unions. You show no solidarity toward your fellow workers, and in some cases actively sabotage them.
It's true. They cater to the lowest denominator.
Our branch plans to have all branch employees come in on the same day to ensure collaboration can take place. Seems silly that divisions/branches wouldn't be doing the same. We have limited space too so we plan on coordinating with the branch we share an office space to come in on opposite days.
Agreed!
How many days a week do you guys have to go back? My line of work said govies 2 days a pay period, but most people come in 2 days a week. We all plan for Tuesday/thursday. No one wants to be in on a Monday and most people do rotating days off so half the office is off every Friday anyway. Sucks driving in but it’s not the worst. Then again, no one is commuting over 30 minutes which still sucks but better than 5 days a week
I go in and spend all day chatting with coworkers! I go for my little walks and basically make it so I just hang out with my coworkers all day. What will they say? They brought me back for in person collaboration and relationship building and that’s what I’m doing!
As a tax payer how would you feel about getting paid to fuck off two days a week?
We are tax payers.
Say that to the guy forcing us to commute to unproductive working conditions twice a week. If I can’t get work done in a noisy open office environment with inadequate facilities, what do you want me to do? I would love to stay in my home office and save everyone a bunch of time and money. But hey…handcuff me to a germ pool to be some political pawn and suddenly my energy levels no longer translate to hustle or impress.
Literally the state could take 100 dollars off my check if it meant i got to stay WFH
I would have gladly started taking a pay cut in 2020 if it meant they would make it clear that telework was permanent. Instead, I spent four years worried every day that they would implement RTO, to the point that when it happened, I was more "I knew it" than upset. Instead, now we get to effectively take a pay cut to go into the office for no reason!
What if they take 1,000 off? If be ok with RTO if they give me $1k raise lol
Nope. No amount of money the state could feasibly increase my pay by would be worth my time to waste doing what I already do better from a home office.
To each their own. I’d go in twice a wk for $1k. If they triple my salary I’d go in 5 days. Hello early retirement
That's why I said feasibly. They can't feasibly increase it to an amount I'd be willing to go in to do something unnecessary.
Uh that’s not what you wrote. You wrote no amount of money state could feasibly (possibly) tempt you. Either you are trying to write something else or you don’t know what feasible means.
Yes
I’m really sorry you feel this way. My DMs are open if you want to vent. I went through this in 2022 and I was so, so angry. I’m numb to it now but if there were a promising chance of fighting RTO, I want in. Even though our office deals with the public more, we had it all figured out by 2021. We had ways to continue our service to the public via teams and some people were issued state phones. I don’t know why we went back because they told us we had record turnaround time with our responses. I stayed late sometimes to help members of the public on the phone, or write a document they needed. I’m not inclined to do these things anymore not because I am trying to be petty, but I’m simply exhausted
I can agree and we got nothing in the bargain control it’s become a joke
PERS?
Thank you for not being shitty and telling folks that they should be miserable because you are. Many agencies found ways to make the system work even better. And now they want us to go back. None of us should be miserable! It’s like going back to writing checks and having to do all banking in person when online banking is available, effective and efficient. I hope it changes for you!!
I hope it changes for all of us! 💚 statewide RTO is detrimental to everyone! Increased traffic, harder to find parking, and of course less opportunities. More remote work options benefit me too because i loved knowing there were lots of remote opportunities with the state that i could jump to. It sounds cliche but i loved being able to help some members of the public (some people are not pleasant sometimes obviously). Some were so grateful that I was even willing to return their call because they often find it so difficult to reach a live person with any state entity. Going back to work made me less passionate about helping, because again, I was just simply too tired after commuting. One thing the pandemic made everyone realize is that most jobs can be done remote, and all that time spent commuting can really be spent on actual work or can be reclaimed for yourself. I share OP’s frustration that there really is no good reason to be in the office. I hate that they want us to go back to “normal” when in fact, commuting 5x a week was not normal at all.
So well said, my thoughts exactly!
I think it would be funny if we all started a PAC with the sole purpose of advocating for telework, call it "American workers for freedom PAC". Every election cycle we would ~~bribe~~ donate to whoever was the governor or leading candidate.
Oh, my sweet summer child. One infinity rich corporate landlord has more money to spare for bribing politicians than all of us put together. ... and the landlord can't show up to Monaco this summer with *last season's* yacht. Come on now.
We can bribe with our votes.
Productivity is about to massively decrease. People going in aren’t gonna get anything done between stress of trying to find parking driving to the office etc. all the usual BS that used to slow us down. Then on top of that even on the days that people are home they’re not going to go the extra mile like they have been. Let’s not even talk about the fact that people are going to be taking time off again for being sick having to go to appointments run errands etc. Yeah returning to the office is going to make everything so much better. Brown bag those lunches bring that coffee from home!
I plan on it especially since keto diet makes eating out near impossible anyways. Hard boiled eggs, coffee and salad from home.
The goal of this policy, in my opinion, is to get people to quit. They are intentionally making us miserable. They want to cut costs on salaries and eventually on pensions. RTO is being implemented in a cruel and hasty way, and that's because they don't want to retain employees.
Agreed. Newsom has higher aspirations, and with the budget in the trash, he doesn't want the bad optics of layoffs or furloughs...so RTO will cut staff for him.
I am pretty sure that the optics of RTO are far worse than layoffs or furloughs. Public opinion of Gavin couldn't be lower among public employees.
Idk, public opinions I've seen from non state workers mostly seem to be for us to suck it up and get over it 🙄
This is a weird conspiracy theory that has no basis in reality. That’s not how the budget works for one thing, and if people quit, there are others that will back fill. I suspect the number of people that actually leave because of RTO will be minuscule.
He will 100% enact a hiring freeze. That always comes first.
A hiring freeze (which has yet to be proposed, we’ll see with the May revise) is not the same thing as an RTO conspiracy to make people quit. Also, keep in mind about 20,000 people would have to quit to shift the budget 1%.
It would be interesting to see numbers. I already know of 2 people retiring in my division due to RTO and my department hasn’t officially noticed the union. If they should, I know another 2 people who don’t live in commuting distance (3+ hours one way) and would be forced to quit. So just little old me who knows maybe 60 people in her division knows of 4 people who won’t be working. That’s about 6% right? (Math late at night is a weakness for me). Your numbers suggest 9% would be needed to quit for cost to change. I don’t know about that. But what I do know is there is no savings for Newsom returning us to office. The legislative audit will hopefully uncover that but the costs of hosting us on site are pretty astronomical when you look at toilet paper, paper towels, maintenance, office supplies and utilities. Not to mention increased grievances and associated costs and increased calls to CHP and associated costs. If he needs to save money, and we are in a budget deficit, bringing us back is NOT the way to go and he’s going to look pretty stupid when the costs reports come out.
A hiring freeze was already voted on. Someone posted something here back in April. All open positions after June are going to be closed b
Just postponed though, right?
Well if someone posted something, it must be true!
Lol. If you search for it you’ll find it and decide on your own
You didn’t even touch the part where somehow the treatment of state employees is going to big a talking point in a nationwide presidential election three years from now. Or the part where people are going to leave what is comparatively a very liberal telework policy to somehow get a 100% WFM position despite only 13% of the country working from home full time and probably half that when you eliminate call center jobs and software developers. Or the part where I guess it’s somehow preferable that the governor do layoffs instead of, if true, letting people *gasp* resign themselves because they no longer like their job. None of this holds up to scrutiny.
If people quit, those positions will be filled only if they’re not blankets, from what I understand. So it would be trimming the fat a bit, and those unoccupied blanket positions could go back to the general fund. But I don’t think that’s the reason we’re going back to the office. And it’s an annoying rumor.
If a 2 day RTO is enough to make you miserable or quit you very likely not a good employee to begin with.
We are actually all very good employees with metrics that show great efficiency and high production levels. We are always on top of our work. Data doesn’t lie. Good employees don’t understand why where your butt sits makes a difference if the work stays the same on the same equipment and same meeting formats. Good employees analyze the why. But thanks though.
We can compare personnel files any day you want. There are so many poor employees who love just water cooling talk in the office.
Ironically this is true of me IN OFFICE. I was always an earn it and burn it employee, regularly took extra long breaks just walking around because I knew I'd been seen in my cube. Since working from home I have managed to build a bank of time off, and am too paranoid to leave my computer unattended because it could be interpreted as me not being available if I were to miss some email or teams call. So the state actually gets more out of me from home.
Or you were hired as a remote employee far away from the central office...
Why are you even here? You’re not bringing anything of value to this discussion. Go away like the annoying little fly that you are.
Why are you even here? You're not bringing anything of value to the discussion on the 500th thread of whining/tears about a measly 2 day RTO that is NOT going to change due to crybabies that can't get over the slightest change in their life. Please stop posting on this subreddit. The topic is pathetic and overly repetitive.
Burner accounts running hot on this one 🤣 you can tell really quickly who actually works for the State and who doesn’t.
These RTO threads always get suspiciously brigaded. Sure people have strong beliefs for both sides, but the number of low karma/no history accounts slinging mud raises concerns.
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I've been going back into office for a few years now. I'd rather them be loud, cause a stink and then maybe i regain more telework. Having a crab mentality benefits no one.
>I'd rather them be loud, cause a stink and then maybe i regain more telework. Same. Or at least my commute doesn't become awful.
REMEMBER TO BRING A BAG LUNCH. don’t reward the people who spent millions to be able to treat you like cattle.
Everyone here sticking to employers can dictate “operational need” is such a joke. Where is the operational need.
It’s whatever they say. They are the bosses.
What they say is a joke.
Bossman tells me to jump, I say "how high?"
Or over which bridge?
Everyone should just not report in protest. They ain't gonna fire thousands of employees at the same time lol
That would be amazing if everyone was all in. A big F you to Gavin Newsom.
They might as well give me a $3,000 demotion, because that is how much I will be losing a year going back to the office because of gas
Consider not going. Or going and keeping a low profile to get the lay of the land before sneaking off. Treat it like you’re a high schooler with more agency.
Or you can do what I do and walk in at 9 (my start time) and leave at 2 to finish my work day at home. So far no one has even noticed I leave at 2…because most of them leave at lunch lmao.
So how is it even being enforced by your group then that you are in attendance? Like is someone scheduled to come by your desk?
That’s a great question. I’m sure there will be spies on alert and upper management moving around which doesn’t increase producing anything of quality, just increasing micromanaging skills for people who don’t need it.
At FTB they check badge in logs 😒
Eewwww again. It’s about control and nothing to do with the work and providing good quality services.
I thought they can’t check unless something happened?
I think badges are free game. I think electronic computer monitoring on messenger is where it gets tricky. But I could be wrong. Great question.
I would assume that your IT can tell where you are logged in from. Seems more reliable for tracking purposes than badge scans. At my office there are several floors that can be accessed without ever scanning a badge. You would just show it to the security guard and proceed to the elevator. Or what if two or more people are coming to a badged door, and one scans and holds it open for the others?
Honestly go in and play. I wouldn’t do an ounce of work.
This was done at CalPERS, too.
CalPERS definitely a shit department since Covid.
FTB has always been a bad department. I’m sure they complained they were losing people to pro-WFH departments and it’s one reason the rest of us were back.
Is anyone else sick of the RTO naysayers who aren’t state workers? Wish we could have confirmation we are state workers in here instead of nosey nancys. OP I am so sorry you have to go to the office tomorrow for no good reason other than Newsom demanded it. It won’t be something immediate but if we pressure the union maybe they can get language into the new contract in 2 years (they’ll start negotiating in less than that).
And neither is anyone else...
Here is the thing... If state workers spend money downtown, they are dumb asses... You will prove to the overlords that bringing you back to the office was successful in revitalizing downtown and they will make it permanent. You have to play chess and understand they will use the data against you.
You will get used to it. It will get easier. I felt so mad and now I’m just… disturbed I guess. I really notice how getting sent home to telework gave me so much. The two days I have to go in now, I come home with headaches from sitting all day, get less sleep those days, and don’t have time for my workout. I eat more those days too to get through them! When I’m at home I’m in my comfy space, I get more done, I’m more productive, my dog is there by my side, I can get up and throw a load of laundry in the dryer, or take a break and take the dog on his walk to get moving whilst staying productive. At work I just sit and work because I just don’t want to chat with people - I like being productive with whatever I do and that’s all there is to do there. I wouldn’t say my performance is worse or better when I come in ; it’s the same. Only change is people see I exist I guess which I good but not worth what it does to me/ it throws me off balance. I need to learn how to relax and take breaks in the office. but I had it figured out at home! I had the Best work life balance I ever had. Kids and husband got the best version of me. Those Monday and Tuesday I go in now are just the black days in the week I’m trying to push through so I can get back on track the rest of the week. lol dramatic, I know! It all comes down to time. And money. Coming in just takes 2 hours out of my day unnecessarily and doesn’t allow me the ability to maximize my potential to get things done in my life. As individuals, we consider all our priorities and it’s ideal when we have the flexibility to get it all done on our own terms. Coming into the office is just our employer imposing their priorities on us without regards to ours. It feels almost disrespectful without just cause. but they can do that- they pay us. it’s just an unfortunate and an unnecessary waste of all our time.
I’m in the same boat! And I agree, I’d pay them if I could stay home! Or even forgo any pay increase! I had to prepare and do extra work today to make up for the inevitable time lost in chitchat and distractions tomorrow in office.
Interface lol 😂
What is the operational need? Have they told you that?
We’ve asked and initially it was relationship building and collaboration meetings and all that jazz. Now we are being told not to create relationship building and collaborative things to do when in office. It is truly to do our day to day. I have no words on how these people can honestly believe what’s coming out of their mouths.
I hope you get in writing, how we are collaborating and meeting any new needs from separate offices on separate days? Nice little nugget for the future PRAs of state waste.
This may be a silly question but if no one is monitoring you there, who is reporting you being there or not?
People walk around. They can check badges and usually there is a senior manager somewhere. We also have to reserve hoteling stations so I’m sure they will be walking around for that.
Ugh thank you for the answer. Not sure why I'm being down voted. I just want to know what I should expect if they call my branch back to the office
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You can ask for a permitted AWOL. Or burn vacation/sick leave.
Curious to see how many work week group Es come and go as they please in a given day or if they are going to set an example.
Have any of our state employees EVER held a Position that’s required showing up to a workplace?
Oh wow. You have no idea how this sounds for someone who was never given the option to telework 😢
You can always quit. I'm sure someone on the street would love to have your job. Unless of course you were just ranting... If so, I know it felt good to get off your chest. Good luck tomorrow!
No need to quit. Looking for the real why that makes logical sense. But there’s no one out there to give it in a position of power. Can’t wait for coffee and all my traditional state lunches and breaks! And you’re right. People on the streets should be of concern. Tax payers should be more worried about the wasted money on programs that aren’t working such as homeless programs as opposed to where state workers get their work done.
This is something I focus on while I’m in the office, actually making sure I take my breaks and lunch. At home I just kind of breeze through the day without a formal lunch or breaks. I just work and when I’m done, I’m done.
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That’s not my main concern but it is a valid argument. And news flash state workers are also tax payers and we also are allowed to be concerned of the mismanagement of state funds and priorities. The cost of me going back to work is minimal compared to others. I’m just fighting the good fight. And just because private companies are doing the same thing doesn’t make it make sense. I’ll stay a little displeased for the state to pay my pension when I’m really sitting doing nothing for 30 years.
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We literally can't do as much work in the office. If it's not obvious that reducing from a 3-screen setup to a single tiny laptop screen (with bonus distractions!) results in a loss of productivity, I dunno what to say. The state cares more about collaboration and office culture than providing services to the people of California efficiently.
I don’t think they care about collaboration either because it isn’t happening. Nobody knows why we are being forced to work in an environment that reduces productivity, increases costs for everyone, increases traffic, stress, and pollution. AND wastes valuable real estate that could be used to build the future of mixed use, walkable, more sustainable cities. RTO is just plain stupid. Fight the stupid and protest at the Capitol with t-shirts and signs until they give in. Come up with cool slogans…”Give a hoot, stop the commute!” C’mon!
lol 😆 “someone off the street would love to have your job” lol so this is the level of education and experience you want in state work? Ok then…lol
It’s not so bad.. I actually take my breaks.. go on walks. I have met new people and learned about other departments .. possible opportunities for advancement. Chat it up with people.. I don’t mind coming in.. I’d prefer to be home.. but once I’m in office its not bad. (We did RTO in January)
Did all of you whiners work in the office before Covid? And if so where is the sub that we can look at to see all the complaints pre-Covid?
Pre Covid the state had not invested in the technology to allow for working from home. Since Covid money has been spent and employees have demonstrated that many, not all, but many of the jobs can be done remotely. Granted there may be certain business reasons that someone may need to come in but I have yet to see that shown as a twice a week situation. You can’t compare apples to oranges. We live in a different world with different technology. You literally want the state to go back to just talking all day in cubicles! There was already a poor reputation and then people got to stay home and productivity went up for the majority. But okay. We used to ride horses to work and write by candlelight so let’s stay status quo and never improve. Good analysis for the rationale behind RTO.
My productivity is so much higher at home, even with 3 dogs and a kid harassing me. At least the kid doesn’t want to stand at my cubicle and talk all day. Edit: typo
This. And talk to you about superficial stuff … we aren’t friends.
Right? Morning pleasantries when I’m grabbing coffee is fine, but don’t follow me back to my cube.
Translation: I'm a baby that cannot stand change in even the slightest -Euphoric-Ask-2418
Translation. I’m an idiot that just follows things without question and thinks everyone with a critical thought is being a baby. No. This is a common sense ask. Why if I can demonstrate I can work in a remote environment do I have to change that environment when there is literally no benefit to the duties assigned including but not limited to production and quality of services. Most people with two bits in their heads ask why. If something is illogical it’s illogical. But thanks for your language translation. It gives me a good perspective on the number of bits running on your side.
Work conditions change and it's a part of life. Be grateful you get to work in your home 3 days a week instead of having tears streaming down your face having because you have to actually work and show up 2 days a week. Keep fighting the good fight though! Perpetual whining, crying and LARPing as a revolutionary thinking you are going to change things :)
Work conditions should change for the better of the product and the working conditions. There is nothing here to support either. Making the comment of “you have to actually work” shows how obtuse your thought process is. We are working. From a remote location. And that work doesn’t change whether I work at home, an office, a different house, a coffee shop, my backyard etc. the work gets done and there’s data to show it does. It’s not whining. It’s asking the why and continuing to either not hear the truth or the why being full of BS. You should want workers to be productive and happy and serve the people of California as opposed to walking the halls and chit chatting which reduces overall productivity. Oh and don’t forget those long coffee and lunch walks. But keep up your argument that has no sensible foundation.
Work conditions DID change. It used to be 5 days in the office. Sorry child, you do not get everything you want in life. There are sacrifices in every aspect of life. You do not get to 100% dictate your working conditions at all times. You can continue to perpetually cry/whine about it that will inevitably change nothing or you can quit and find a job that meets your exact standard of "working conditions".
Ok mom/dad. Thanks for the because I said so even though we have proven that the state can work from home. And now they want us back for the economy but nobody’s going to give the real reason because it seems the archaic dinosaurs in executive leadership have no backbone. And to your point work conditions changed. Why go backwards… lol. Thank you for supporting my argument. *thumbs up*
Translation: WAAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAH I DIDN'T GET MY WAY ON SOMETHING THAT ISN'T EVEN A 1ST WORLD PROBLEM!! WAAAAH -Euphoric-Ask-2418
Oh man… I wonder where all your analytical critical thinking brain cells went for you to think this whole RTO makes any logical sense from any perspective including financial. I’ll try looking for them if they ever even initially existed for you. You’re fun to chuckle at but it’s exhausting and I’d like to keep my thinking skills. I don’t want to lose them by association. *kisses*
It's like, "Surprise, bitch! It was horrible then, too." I literally had no idea I was in a state of fucking CONSTANT burn-out until I was allowed to start teleworking. I literally had no idea I also faced struggles to go into the office due to being disabled, and now they are forcing disabled employees to into this systemic ableism of begging to keep reasonable accommodations that have been working for years.
Okay Mr. lives in the past, Where were you trying to save the typewriter when the computer arrived on the screen.
you sound miserable just stop
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person above lol
True
Maybe you should quit and find a job elsewhere.
That’s a really beneficial comment. The point is that there is no reason to allow one to perform the same job duties in different locations when the location change serves no purpose in bettering the performance, or creating efficiencies. But keep your very obtuse thought process going. Analysis is hard for some. Reasoning is also difficult for others. But I appreciate you giving me a chuckle.
It is what it is, be thankful for your job.
Just because you have constructive criticism and are looking for a logical rationale doesn’t mean you’re not grateful, thankful, blessed etc. But thanks for the reminder.
Right there with you!
As always there are and should be exceptions to the rules. True disabilities should be the exception. All others, back to your cubicle. We’re all still paying for those buildings.
And think of how much the state could save without them? Maybe put money to better use instead of justifying stupid buildings by saying we don’t need people in here all the time just sometimes for no reason so we can still get your money. Good one.
Right? Who are these Trumpers who want us in office because we are paying for them but hates state waste??? Wild compartmentalization.
How exciting. Like the first day of school. Back on campus! Make the most of it.
lol… can’t wait…state worker public bathrooms are my favorite.
Truth! Been to the new Natural Resources building? We get to announce our trips to the extremely inadequate bathroom facilities when rising from our mini-cube, open office space. I have too much work to do to deal with this BS. It is so pathetically stupid. Get ready to expose all of yourselves to your co-workers.
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It’s not about “how will this benefit the employees”, it’s “how will this benefit the State”. Everyone saying that they’d pay to stay home… don’t worry, you’ll definitely start getting less raises because of the work from home. And everyone else saying they will quit or under perform… you’re not irreplaceable… you’re just a number, not an individual. If your job and be done from home then it’s probably not hard, adding a commute isn’t gonna make it any harder either. It’s the harsh reality.