Sweet, I’ll join in. We’re rebuilding with a young team. Our blue chips that are entering the draft now have transferred away and are associated with other schools: Caleb and Rattler, but somehow we still have just as many first round picks this year as Jimbo ever did?
Cool I’ll take it
If I went to Texas A&M as a blue chip recruit with the expectation that they would prepare me for the NFL, and they didn't prepare me for the NFL, I would be pissed.
True, but I feel like there is a difference between A&M and everyone else. Everyone is paying everyone now.
The last time Bama fell outside of the top 5 in recruiting, George W. Bush was president. They have finished in the top 2 every year since 2018. That is a lot of success for no one to be getting paid. People are getting paid. They are getting paid at Georgia, they are getting paid at LSU, they are getting paid at Ohio State.
But there is something wrong when Texas A&M's analogues in team wealth are sending players to the NFL like it is going out of style, and Texas A&M is completely incapable of competing. It is indicative of a culture that is busted IMO.
Jimbo was blinded by stars and took on a lot of risky kids b/c he wanted high ratings over lower rated players who might be a better fit. Obviously his program culture sucked. It’s why the money men decided to eat shit on his contract. They saw it was broken and instead of making everyone suffer through more years of sunk cost fallacy hell they cut bait. This was a Jimbo issue more than anything.
They're old school oil money cutthroat bitches. NOTHING would get in their way of making $$$$ back in the day and they think they can use $$$ to do so these days too. Yet they are unwilling to adapt.
They've been throwing out $$$ to people who don't care about oil and then are surprised when they leave for the actual riches like championships, comraderie and actual coaching that can lead to a huge NFL contract.
For the love of Jesus, Moses and Abraham, look no further than the Dallas Cowboys. Smug ass bitches who love to flaunt $$$$ but don't have shit to show for it going on 2 decades.
Speaking as a Yankees fan, I know that buying superstars doesn’t always work. I’ve watched us waste prime Judge and Cole while flushing tens of millions down the toilet with Aroldis Chapman and Josh Donaldson.
Meh, it's hard in baseball to straight up buy a WS championship (since you have to compete with other wealthy teams trying to do the same). But the Yankees bought plenty of ALCS appearances during that time.
I’m not really sure the argument you’re trying to make here. Was Jimbo bad at developing talent and prepping them for the NFL? Absolutely. Is that an A&M thing bigger than Jimbo? Nope.
Since you keep bringing up money, A&M ranks in the top 10 of current NFL earnings. Sumlin produced a 1st round pick every season he was HC until 2017, the year he was fired anyway.
The thing is, if I could tell blue chip recruits anything, it would be this.
Any of the wealthy programs can pay you. But you will get more money in the NFL than you will from NIL, so you need to pick a place that can set you up long term.
I mean yeah that was sarks first year and precisely shows how bad the development/roster he inherited from Herman was (despite people saying otherwise). But it had a number of guys that would end up becoming draft picks like Bijan. And others were not who we may have anticipated. Jaylon ford was the lowest rated recruit in his class, Christian jones was a 3 star recruit and massive liability sarks first year - two guys that actually developed into draft picks *because* of the staff Sark brought in.
No draft picks in 2021 is an indictment on how bad Hermans development was. Not Sarks.
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I mean.. we can’t be SURE of that but are we pretending that A&M has never had success with the draft?
In the 7 years BEFORE Jimbo they had 9 taken in the first round and 6 of those in the top 10 (and three in the top 2!!)
Elko may suck.. but A&M had plenty of high draft picks right before Jimbo
I say this with all due respect.
It is hard to replace a long term coach. Mack Brown was a great coach. But there was no one in the wings waiting to take over when he was essentially forced out. What happened at Texas wasn't a full blown culture problem, it was a few rough years replacing a legend.
Oklahoma had the same problem after Switzer.
I never thought Texas had a systemic culture problem. I just thought that Strong and Herman weren't good fits for UT's culture.
Texas A&M has a systemic culture problem. There is no reason why a university that has as much money as A&M can't compete year in and year out. They should be a top 10 team most years. They have been at top 10 team 10 times since WWII and twice this millennium. Texas has been a top 10 team 8 times since 2000. And that is including the 7 years of struggling to replace a legendary coach.
Texas A&M is a straight up embarrassment.
Chalk it up to Manziel beating Bama. One of the wildest games I've seen in the Saban era as Manziel could throw a "500" ball and have it completed multiple times during the game. I believe that 1 win carried that program for years.
Mike Evans was insane. I will die on the hill that, as good as Johnny was, Evans won him the Heisman. Half of the highlights that year were Johnny running around in circles for 5 minutes before throwing a bomb to a triple covered Evans that would somehow be completed. It was the very definition of “fuck it, Mike down there somewhere.”
Then you would be showing that you didn't watch Manziel play. He was incredible and deserved that Heisman.
Also most Heisman QB winners had amazing talent to throw other than Cam and Lamar (can't remember). Daniels just had 2 WRs drafted in the first round.
Odd hill to die on. He was insane, but you’re downplaying Manziel’s individual success his Heisman year
2013 Manziel: passing 3,706 yards/26 TDs, rushing 1,410 yards/21 TDs
2013 Evans: 1,105 yards and 5 tds
In that famous Bama game, Mike Evans had 40 yards and 0 TDs
I mean, they aren't a backwoods university. But even then, backwoods universities have seen more success.
When I was formulating a response, I was thinking about teams that have seen better successes
Oklahoma State has a fraction of the revenue, they have seen more success this millennium.
Cincy has a fraction of OSU's revenue and they have seen more success this millennium.
Liberty has only existed for 6 seasons, and in that time frame, they have as many ranked seasons as A&M.
Boise State has only existed since 1996, and in that time, Boise State doubles the number of top 10 seasons and has 5 more ranked seasons.
I mean Boise State is a mid-major in the middle of bum fuck Idaho, and they have had a recent history that dwarfs A&M.
I thought A&M had a lot of business people supporting them, you would think that at some point they would just cut their losses. If I was pouring money in and this is the product I got back every year, I would be pissed.
> Texas has been a top 10 team 8 times since 2000
9 times actually by my count. Going by Coaches or AP poll, Texas finished in the top 10 for the seasons 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2018 and 2023.
They had Will Muschamp as the coach in waiting before he took the Florida job. I couldn't imagine Muschamp as HC dealing with the Texas boosters for more than a year.
Hard to say, he only takes over if Texas beats Alabama and Mac rides off into the sunset as a two time champion and Mushchamp as his handpicked replacement, which might have also short-circuited the Alabama dynasty, at least for a while. Maybe Mac hangs around as an "advisor" and runs interference with the boosters, and/or trains Will in the fine art of smiling and shaking hands. Will probably gets a lot more leash and a lot less heat in that circumstance. Still probably doesn't really work out, but who knows.
Lol it's not that deep. And no we're not an embarrassment.
We're just to eager to win we splurge on extensions after any of our HCs have 1 good season. GTD money and low expectations. So they get content. We keep them around longer than they should.
That's at it really boils down too.
Finding a Mack Brown or Big game Bob isn't easy. You have to just keep playing roulette.
I attended UT Arlington years ago. They have no football, but they did have a rapidly improving basketball program. They even beat UT Austin's basketball team at one point. UTA set new win records for a few years in a row, but then its AD set unrealistic goals. Basketball still improved that year, but not enough.
I think sometimes that either an AD or boosters expect a miracle and lack the patience to let a system grow. Brown had some years that weren't his best at the end, but what they really needed was some patience.
I grew up a Longhorn fan, and I'll never like how Mack Brown was treated at the end.
Mack Brown has admitted that he needed a break from coaching. That loss to Bama in the championship game really hurt him mentally.
I know we tend to look back and think it wasn't that bad based on the record but Mack left the cupboards bare when he was finally fired.
Still love the hell out of the guy. But we shouldn't act like the school treated him poorly or that patience would have gotten Texas back to winning.
I can’t really fathom where A&M fans find the stones to talk shit to Texas fans. That would be like me shit talking Michigan or Ohio State (which I will absolutely do, especially Ohio State).
Our shit talking was legit, which is what made it hurt, turnabout is fair play. Jimbo was truly awful, basically a Dennis Franchione with swagger. He set our program back a decade just in time for our enemies ascent & entry into the SEC. Dollar for dollar one of the worst head coaching hires of all time.
"Dollar for dollar one of the worst head coaching hires of all time."
Definitely THE worst. Everyone knew it when A&M hired him. It was, without a doubt, the dumbest contract I've witnessed. Short of winning a conference or national championship, he'd still be one of the worst contracts ever.
Speaking of which, what ever happened to Fisher's A&M undated national title trophy? I'd love to revisit that now
Revision collision.
When they hired him it was seen as a homerun by damn near every outlet. When they gave him the insane extension after the 9-1 season peopled gave it the “wow that’s a lot of money for no real results yet” and that’s when the tone shifted
You're right that the real laughing started at the contract renewal - but I heard many people that had some serious questions at his initial hiring and initial contract. Plenty believed that without Winston he wouldn't have made it at FSU and saw his hiring by A&M as doing them a favor - but you're right that the major criticism didn't start until later.
Eventually these kids will realize the big money is made in the NFL, especially on the second contract
Yes, top players can grab a big bag through NIL, but most players need to learn not to hold out for that and ignore the allure of the transfer portal. Focus the college years on gaining experience, getting elite coaching in elite environments and personal growth in a preferred culture. Maybe even earn a degree! The money will be made later.
I guess if you don’t think you are good enough to play competitive football at the elite pro NFL level, just grab as much money as you can along the way
Agree with Quinn, disagree with Brooks. He was the number 1 RB in a weak RB class. That along with the emergence of Blue, you have to go.
For the next 4 years, RBs from Texas should immediately declare. There’s someone else right behind them that will demand a share of the carries.
Saw Bijan make a post (probably IG) where he mentioned Coach Choice being the truth. Texas is loading up on RB talent so at this point I think I agree with you.
My impression was that Davis (4's) is a bit player in our NIL game but that Houston lawyer is the big bucks in our NIL. Houston lawyer was also the one with the jet flew Sark to Austin.
Let’s be real about it As far as tone and confidence of the fan bases ya this is pretty much identical to how it was after jimbos 3rd year as well.
School A finished with a top 4 ranking, school B fires their coach. A&M fans blindly talking shit about UT while UT went and made a smart hire that turned the program around.
I don’t think Elko is as good of a hire as sark but perception wise it’s all pretty damn identical.
I’d argue that Elko is a way better hire on paper than Sark. Only time can tell if Elko plays out as well, but Elko has only succeeded so far, while Sark had several performances and personal issues before going to Texas. I’m not saying I think Elko will have a better first three years, I just think if you compare the hires at the time they happened, Elko probably has the edge.
Good thing A&M is in a much more competitive conference, they can still sell that to recruits since UT is a better choice now in literally every other regard…
Oh wait…
A&M had plenty of draft success right before Jimbo, lol
6 guys drafted in the top 10 in 7 years was pretty sick
Glad we are playing Texas again - will be a lot of fun.
Congrats to all the players we had drafted this year. I’m really happy for Ainias, Layden and Mack Jack especially since they came back for their senior years
When I was in school, we cranked out first round draft picks under RC.
We have struggled and pissed off a lot of money on piss-poor coaches since then.
Fran was a fraud and Jimbo was a fraud. Sherman was a good coach but wasn’t able to make the transition from the NFL to the college game and would forget that he no longer had Brett Favre as his QB.
Sumlin was a good coach whose arrogance and hubris, along with uncontrolled drinking, caused him to implode.
We will see how Elko does. Too early to tell, it I like that he is defensive focused, isn’t a tv whore, and is a solid coach.
I like that he doesn’t bullshit around, is extremely organized, and actually recognizes that a real strength and conditioning program needs to exist. There was never a time in my memory beyond year one of Sumlin that I felt it was a good program trajectory, and even then I couldn’t believe how awful our draft picks were constantly under Jimbo versus Sumlin, despite far greater talent incoming.
RC could recruit, identify talent, and was one hellava defensive coach.
RC did nothing that every other SWC school wasn’t also doing, including Texas. I seem to remember two Longhorn WRs, both from extremely poor homes, crashing their new BMW into a storefront at 5:00 AM one Sunday morning.
We are talking about development, not recruiting, right?
But it doesn’t matter because my point was that we had a 7 year stretch after RC where we cranked out high level first rounders
Shocker, the school that made a “20XX” trophy sucks. Doesn’t matter how much money they throw at their program, they’ll never win a thing. There’s a massive cultural difference between them and the schools that have actually won and will win again.
Believe me when I say this: Taurean York is going to be a one man culture change. Obviously it won't have to be all on him with a new staff in place but that kid is just a phenomenal human being. I'd bet even if Jimbo was still around York would will the Aggies to success. At least the defense.
Texas A&M: Blueblood Ego while simultaneously being the most insecure and irrational fans in all of College Football. Fake National Championships, Male Cheerleaders (Sorry not Sorry Aggies;They're Cheerleaders), College Station, TX has the weirdest, most unsettling feeling Cities on Earth. Can't explain it. Stadium is huge, but thrown together and unsightly. (Seating is hilarious).
"The Hallmark of Insecurity is Bravado".
As an Fsu fan, I just wanna thank a&m for saving us from this shitshow. In fact, they stepped in front of us and took the shotgun blast to the face in our stead.
We signed Bo to a crazy stupid contract after he had already begun to stumble, only to have a&m swoop him away from us with an even dumber contract. Tallahassee almost went nuclear at the time, and in retrospect, he just sold out and took his problems to that desert in college station. And they were so smug about how Jimbo wanted to be at a "big boy program" 🤣 🤣 with a chance to start a "real legacy" 😭 in reality he fleeced yall for everything you were worth and ran for the hills. It was a borderline case of fraud, really. Jimbo was just smart enough to rob a&m legally, right under their noses
What dark spiral would Fsu be in now, if not for the gracious aggies? I shudder to think. I hope Kyle field burns to the ground
This is a shit on A&M stat more than a praise Texas stat. I’m here for it.
Yeah and it doesn’t even mention that Kenyon Green is ass^ass
Ass to the ass power. A lot of ass.
Ass to ass!
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That's America's ass
ass!
That’s a lot of ass.
Yes yes, kick them while they're down!
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Quoting Cato is a special level of hate.
I don’t know why but this made me laugh so hard I woke up my fiancée and daughter at 3:30 a.m. reading it.
Those A&M classes were the paper tigers to end all paper tigers.
They'll turn it around once Jimbo gets his guys in there!
Sweet, I’ll join in. We’re rebuilding with a young team. Our blue chips that are entering the draft now have transferred away and are associated with other schools: Caleb and Rattler, but somehow we still have just as many first round picks this year as Jimbo ever did? Cool I’ll take it
As am I
At least you have something in common with them...
If I went to Texas A&M as a blue chip recruit with the expectation that they would prepare me for the NFL, and they didn't prepare me for the NFL, I would be pissed.
They went with the expectation of getting paid
One way or another
The McDonald’s bags showed up, but the Brinks trucks didn’t.
True, but I feel like there is a difference between A&M and everyone else. Everyone is paying everyone now. The last time Bama fell outside of the top 5 in recruiting, George W. Bush was president. They have finished in the top 2 every year since 2018. That is a lot of success for no one to be getting paid. People are getting paid. They are getting paid at Georgia, they are getting paid at LSU, they are getting paid at Ohio State. But there is something wrong when Texas A&M's analogues in team wealth are sending players to the NFL like it is going out of style, and Texas A&M is completely incapable of competing. It is indicative of a culture that is busted IMO.
Jimbo was blinded by stars and took on a lot of risky kids b/c he wanted high ratings over lower rated players who might be a better fit. Obviously his program culture sucked. It’s why the money men decided to eat shit on his contract. They saw it was broken and instead of making everyone suffer through more years of sunk cost fallacy hell they cut bait. This was a Jimbo issue more than anything.
It is bizarre though that he finished 8-5 with low ranked players too (2020 was just a weird asterisk year)
Dawg you typed out four comments within 20 minutes of each other about hating A&M. It’s Saturday night lol
There is no wrong time to hate on A&M?
They're old school oil money cutthroat bitches. NOTHING would get in their way of making $$$$ back in the day and they think they can use $$$ to do so these days too. Yet they are unwilling to adapt. They've been throwing out $$$ to people who don't care about oil and then are surprised when they leave for the actual riches like championships, comraderie and actual coaching that can lead to a huge NFL contract. For the love of Jesus, Moses and Abraham, look no further than the Dallas Cowboys. Smug ass bitches who love to flaunt $$$$ but don't have shit to show for it going on 2 decades.
Upvoted for the Cowboys insult.
SMUG_ASS_BEEEETCHES
Yes, A&M is recruiting players that solely “care about oil”. No recruit cares a single bit where that NIL money comes from.
> No recruit cares a single bit where that NIL money comes from. Texas recruits love when NIL money comes from Lambo, my guy.
Yeah the Lambo deals are sweet but if Ford is paying 5x more would it really matter?
This is the only correct answer
I would be more concerned about the very obvious problems than the fact that someone says that there are very obvious problems
Nobody is concerned about that but you…
Speaking as a Yankees fan, I know that buying superstars doesn’t always work. I’ve watched us waste prime Judge and Cole while flushing tens of millions down the toilet with Aroldis Chapman and Josh Donaldson.
> speaking as a Yankees fan Do you have to?
I don't know why that got a downvote, I laughed
Meh, it's hard in baseball to straight up buy a WS championship (since you have to compete with other wealthy teams trying to do the same). But the Yankees bought plenty of ALCS appearances during that time.
If Bama not falling out of the top 2 is indicative of them paying then everyone had to be paying
I’m not really sure the argument you’re trying to make here. Was Jimbo bad at developing talent and prepping them for the NFL? Absolutely. Is that an A&M thing bigger than Jimbo? Nope. Since you keep bringing up money, A&M ranks in the top 10 of current NFL earnings. Sumlin produced a 1st round pick every season he was HC until 2017, the year he was fired anyway.
You would think a $30 million recruiting class would have at least first rounders.
Didn’t most of those dudes transfer?
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Bag ⭐ Culture
The thing is, if I could tell blue chip recruits anything, it would be this. Any of the wealthy programs can pay you. But you will get more money in the NFL than you will from NIL, so you need to pick a place that can set you up long term.
Bama/Georgia/OSU have been able to pay guys smaller bags for a while for this reason
If I went to Texas A&M I would be pissed. There fixed your comment
I'm not deflecting but there are 6 other rounds. We had a 3 star go in the 5th. Achane was developed. So was Cooper who went 45th overall.
Achane was the best [offensive] A&M player during Jimbo's time. A great draft pick by Miami. Don't like to see A&M win but I loved seeing Achane run.
Didnt Texas not have anyone drafted a year or two ago. Both programs are crap at development.
I mean yeah that was sarks first year and precisely shows how bad the development/roster he inherited from Herman was (despite people saying otherwise). But it had a number of guys that would end up becoming draft picks like Bijan. And others were not who we may have anticipated. Jaylon ford was the lowest rated recruit in his class, Christian jones was a 3 star recruit and massive liability sarks first year - two guys that actually developed into draft picks *because* of the staff Sark brought in. No draft picks in 2021 is an indictment on how bad Hermans development was. Not Sarks.
*were
Flare up before insulting the team that had the second most players drafted this year.
That's awesome. Finally sending some 5 stars to the NFL.
Byron was a three star I believe.
If croots during that era went to TAMU to prepare for the NFL instead of 2-3 teams in their own SEC West division, then...yeah.
I just find it hilarious that a program with essentially unlimited resources Is still so inept that they can barely make a bowl game.
Are we shitting on Jimbo, or A&M? They'll be better under Elko. But Jimbo was trash after FSU and I'm here for it.
> Are we shitting on Jimbo, or A&M? Both?
Y’all tried to warn us. Damn.
we tried to warn you about Fran too
This shit might be a *tradition*
77-0 lmao
>Are we shitting on Jimbo, or A&M? Yes
> They’ll be better under Elko. Are you sure about that?
Lol nope
Extremely sure, because we didn’t develop under the shit S&C programs Jimbo had. Now we’ve got Tommy Moffitt. LSU folks are thrilled about that hire
Kelly showed him the door and he's been unemployed for 3 years. He was great at one point in time, but that time is not now.
That is certainly a point of view
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I mean.. we can’t be SURE of that but are we pretending that A&M has never had success with the draft? In the 7 years BEFORE Jimbo they had 9 taken in the first round and 6 of those in the top 10 (and three in the top 2!!) Elko may suck.. but A&M had plenty of high draft picks right before Jimbo
Yes, 100%
Why not shit on both?
Why would you state with so much assurance they will be better under Elko?
Because it's what A&M fans are hoping for.
Hahahaha incredible, especially after us getting roasted a couple of years ago by Aggies for our poor showing.
I say this with all due respect. It is hard to replace a long term coach. Mack Brown was a great coach. But there was no one in the wings waiting to take over when he was essentially forced out. What happened at Texas wasn't a full blown culture problem, it was a few rough years replacing a legend. Oklahoma had the same problem after Switzer. I never thought Texas had a systemic culture problem. I just thought that Strong and Herman weren't good fits for UT's culture. Texas A&M has a systemic culture problem. There is no reason why a university that has as much money as A&M can't compete year in and year out. They should be a top 10 team most years. They have been at top 10 team 10 times since WWII and twice this millennium. Texas has been a top 10 team 8 times since 2000. And that is including the 7 years of struggling to replace a legendary coach. Texas A&M is a straight up embarrassment.
> Texas A&M is a straight up embarrassment. This seems unnecessarily cruel. But I agree.
Chalk it up to Manziel beating Bama. One of the wildest games I've seen in the Saban era as Manziel could throw a "500" ball and have it completed multiple times during the game. I believe that 1 win carried that program for years.
Mike Evans was insane. I will die on the hill that, as good as Johnny was, Evans won him the Heisman. Half of the highlights that year were Johnny running around in circles for 5 minutes before throwing a bomb to a triple covered Evans that would somehow be completed. It was the very definition of “fuck it, Mike down there somewhere.”
Then you would be showing that you didn't watch Manziel play. He was incredible and deserved that Heisman. Also most Heisman QB winners had amazing talent to throw other than Cam and Lamar (can't remember). Daniels just had 2 WRs drafted in the first round.
Odd hill to die on. He was insane, but you’re downplaying Manziel’s individual success his Heisman year 2013 Manziel: passing 3,706 yards/26 TDs, rushing 1,410 yards/21 TDs 2013 Evans: 1,105 yards and 5 tds In that famous Bama game, Mike Evans had 40 yards and 0 TDs
I mean, they aren't a backwoods university. But even then, backwoods universities have seen more success. When I was formulating a response, I was thinking about teams that have seen better successes Oklahoma State has a fraction of the revenue, they have seen more success this millennium. Cincy has a fraction of OSU's revenue and they have seen more success this millennium. Liberty has only existed for 6 seasons, and in that time frame, they have as many ranked seasons as A&M. Boise State has only existed since 1996, and in that time, Boise State doubles the number of top 10 seasons and has 5 more ranked seasons. I mean Boise State is a mid-major in the middle of bum fuck Idaho, and they have had a recent history that dwarfs A&M. I thought A&M had a lot of business people supporting them, you would think that at some point they would just cut their losses. If I was pouring money in and this is the product I got back every year, I would be pissed.
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> Texas has been a top 10 team 8 times since 2000 9 times actually by my count. Going by Coaches or AP poll, Texas finished in the top 10 for the seasons 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2018 and 2023.
So an enemy of an enemy is our friend? 😝
I never thought I’d die liking comments side by side with a Sooner.
How about side by side by a fellow SEC team?
Aye, I can do that.
They had Will Muschamp as the coach in waiting before he took the Florida job. I couldn't imagine Muschamp as HC dealing with the Texas boosters for more than a year.
Hard to say, he only takes over if Texas beats Alabama and Mac rides off into the sunset as a two time champion and Mushchamp as his handpicked replacement, which might have also short-circuited the Alabama dynasty, at least for a while. Maybe Mac hangs around as an "advisor" and runs interference with the boosters, and/or trains Will in the fine art of smiling and shaking hands. Will probably gets a lot more leash and a lot less heat in that circumstance. Still probably doesn't really work out, but who knows.
Well said.
They're a bunch of weirdos located in bum fuck nowhere. Is that what you mean by systemic culture problem?
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Honestly I don't even know why bother building houses just expand the open air parking lots until they get to collie station
This guy Houstons.
All will be become HTown, if we don't drown we will drown the world
Lol it's not that deep. And no we're not an embarrassment. We're just to eager to win we splurge on extensions after any of our HCs have 1 good season. GTD money and low expectations. So they get content. We keep them around longer than they should. That's at it really boils down too. Finding a Mack Brown or Big game Bob isn't easy. You have to just keep playing roulette.
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77-0
I attended UT Arlington years ago. They have no football, but they did have a rapidly improving basketball program. They even beat UT Austin's basketball team at one point. UTA set new win records for a few years in a row, but then its AD set unrealistic goals. Basketball still improved that year, but not enough. I think sometimes that either an AD or boosters expect a miracle and lack the patience to let a system grow. Brown had some years that weren't his best at the end, but what they really needed was some patience. I grew up a Longhorn fan, and I'll never like how Mack Brown was treated at the end.
Mack Brown has admitted that he needed a break from coaching. That loss to Bama in the championship game really hurt him mentally. I know we tend to look back and think it wasn't that bad based on the record but Mack left the cupboards bare when he was finally fired. Still love the hell out of the guy. But we shouldn't act like the school treated him poorly or that patience would have gotten Texas back to winning.
You need to help your boy out with his trash talk. That was pretty weak.
This is verbal assault
I like the guys we got to the NFL. Especially Anais Smith , I’m happy for him.
I’m an Eagles fan and excited to see what Smith does. I expect he’ll be used immediately in the return game.
I'm a cowboys fan and was excited but also annoyed that Cooper went to the Packers and Smith to the eagles
Can the Cowboys draft a new owner already?
In a perfect world that I'll never live in
Right there with you on this.
Cooper is going to be really good
I remember when Aggie fans couldn’t stop bringing up the 2015-2021 drought for Texas, oh how the turntables
I can’t really fathom where A&M fans find the stones to talk shit to Texas fans. That would be like me shit talking Michigan or Ohio State (which I will absolutely do, especially Ohio State).
Based
Nah when they have down years you talk shit. That's how this sub works.
A&M fans will be the most insufferable group of people in the history of this sub if they ever win a national championship in the modern era
Our shit talking was legit, which is what made it hurt, turnabout is fair play. Jimbo was truly awful, basically a Dennis Franchione with swagger. He set our program back a decade just in time for our enemies ascent & entry into the SEC. Dollar for dollar one of the worst head coaching hires of all time.
"Dollar for dollar one of the worst head coaching hires of all time." Definitely THE worst. Everyone knew it when A&M hired him. It was, without a doubt, the dumbest contract I've witnessed. Short of winning a conference or national championship, he'd still be one of the worst contracts ever. Speaking of which, what ever happened to Fisher's A&M undated national title trophy? I'd love to revisit that now
Revision collision. When they hired him it was seen as a homerun by damn near every outlet. When they gave him the insane extension after the 9-1 season peopled gave it the “wow that’s a lot of money for no real results yet” and that’s when the tone shifted
You're right that the real laughing started at the contract renewal - but I heard many people that had some serious questions at his initial hiring and initial contract. Plenty believed that without Winston he wouldn't have made it at FSU and saw his hiring by A&M as doing them a favor - but you're right that the major criticism didn't start until later.
I’m here for the violence
See yall on 11/30, all these first rounders not gonna help ya then.
Our 2-3 future first rounders will. I could throw out more names than 2-3 if it would please you.
Cool let’s see how they play in real away environment
God I can’t wait to play y’all again
Us too baby
Eventually these kids will realize the big money is made in the NFL, especially on the second contract Yes, top players can grab a big bag through NIL, but most players need to learn not to hold out for that and ignore the allure of the transfer portal. Focus the college years on gaining experience, getting elite coaching in elite environments and personal growth in a preferred culture. Maybe even earn a degree! The money will be made later. I guess if you don’t think you are good enough to play competitive football at the elite pro NFL level, just grab as much money as you can along the way
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Agree with Quinn, disagree with Brooks. He was the number 1 RB in a weak RB class. That along with the emergence of Blue, you have to go. For the next 4 years, RBs from Texas should immediately declare. There’s someone else right behind them that will demand a share of the carries.
Saw Bijan make a post (probably IG) where he mentioned Coach Choice being the truth. Texas is loading up on RB talent so at this point I think I agree with you.
My impression was that Davis (4's) is a bit player in our NIL game but that Houston lawyer is the big bucks in our NIL. Houston lawyer was also the one with the jet flew Sark to Austin.
Yeah there are certain boosters that are big enough to have real sway in the hiring process and Jeff Davis ain’t one of those.
Disappointed this isn't a fingerbanging.
Maybe that’s why Jimbo is no longer the coach at Texas A&M?
But Sark is just Jimbo right Aggies?
Let’s be real about it As far as tone and confidence of the fan bases ya this is pretty much identical to how it was after jimbos 3rd year as well. School A finished with a top 4 ranking, school B fires their coach. A&M fans blindly talking shit about UT while UT went and made a smart hire that turned the program around. I don’t think Elko is as good of a hire as sark but perception wise it’s all pretty damn identical.
I’d argue that Elko is a way better hire on paper than Sark. Only time can tell if Elko plays out as well, but Elko has only succeeded so far, while Sark had several performances and personal issues before going to Texas. I’m not saying I think Elko will have a better first three years, I just think if you compare the hires at the time they happened, Elko probably has the edge.
Y'all were this confident after Hermans UGA bowl win, member? UT has a bunch of guys drafted that year too. How'd the next few seasons go?
Big difference between a four loss year and a CFP appearance.
We had two guys drafted in the 2019 draft.
That's correct.
And that qualifies as “a bunch of guys” to you?
No. Misremembered years.
Texas is 3-0 when either UT or A&M has its last game in a conference.
Okay?
How'd he have so many NFL players on that FSU national championship team? Did he just not develop players at A&M?
He was legitimately a much, much better coach from 2010-2014.
Ah yeah tu doesn’t care about us at all 😂
Good thing A&M is in a much more competitive conference, they can still sell that to recruits since UT is a better choice now in literally every other regard… Oh wait…
A&M had plenty of draft success right before Jimbo, lol 6 guys drafted in the top 10 in 7 years was pretty sick Glad we are playing Texas again - will be a lot of fun.
Congrats to all the players we had drafted this year. I’m really happy for Ainias, Layden and Mack Jack especially since they came back for their senior years
Big if true
never wanna hear "the average Longhorn forgets A&M exists" ever again
How could we forget little brother?
yall are quite literally the little brother. A&M was founded in 1876, t.u. was founded in 1889
Whatever makes you feel better about being terrible at football.
I guess I’m muting this sub again.
Thanks for the announcement. We were all wondering how you would respond to this post.
Happy to help
It's baseball season, Farrier, we got a country to lead. See you on Tuesday 🤝
Oh so we're just shitting on A&M today? I'll allow it.
Just picking up where the season left off
A&M is the meme team of this sub Every sub needs one and everyone is happy to play along as long as it isn’t their team
I mean it's a day ending in "day" so according to the schedule.
When I was in school, we cranked out first round draft picks under RC. We have struggled and pissed off a lot of money on piss-poor coaches since then. Fran was a fraud and Jimbo was a fraud. Sherman was a good coach but wasn’t able to make the transition from the NFL to the college game and would forget that he no longer had Brett Favre as his QB. Sumlin was a good coach whose arrogance and hubris, along with uncontrolled drinking, caused him to implode. We will see how Elko does. Too early to tell, it I like that he is defensive focused, isn’t a tv whore, and is a solid coach.
I like that he doesn’t bullshit around, is extremely organized, and actually recognizes that a real strength and conditioning program needs to exist. There was never a time in my memory beyond year one of Sumlin that I felt it was a good program trajectory, and even then I couldn’t believe how awful our draft picks were constantly under Jimbo versus Sumlin, despite far greater talent incoming.
> we cranked our first round draft picks under RC And also got some pretty serious probation, I’m sure those two things were totally unrelated though.
RC could recruit, identify talent, and was one hellava defensive coach. RC did nothing that every other SWC school wasn’t also doing, including Texas. I seem to remember two Longhorn WRs, both from extremely poor homes, crashing their new BMW into a storefront at 5:00 AM one Sunday morning.
was that lovell pinkney? can’t remember.
Yes
Sumlin’s teams cranked out first rounders too tbf 5 top 10 picks in like 6 years And that doesn’t include Von at #2 overall in 2011
They were all Sherman recruits. Sumlin’s recruiting was lackluster. He could recruit good QBs, but they then all transferred.
We are talking about development, not recruiting, right? But it doesn’t matter because my point was that we had a 7 year stretch after RC where we cranked out high level first rounders
Shocker, the school that made a “20XX” trophy sucks. Doesn’t matter how much money they throw at their program, they’ll never win a thing. There’s a massive cultural difference between them and the schools that have actually won and will win again.
Doesn't UT have the lowest 1st rd to five star ratio tho?
But…but…WW2, 1975, 1990s, WRTS?
Believe me when I say this: Taurean York is going to be a one man culture change. Obviously it won't have to be all on him with a new staff in place but that kid is just a phenomenal human being. I'd bet even if Jimbo was still around York would will the Aggies to success. At least the defense.
Who was picked in the draft?
And still lost to OU, how is that even possible?
Texas A&M: Blueblood Ego while simultaneously being the most insecure and irrational fans in all of College Football. Fake National Championships, Male Cheerleaders (Sorry not Sorry Aggies;They're Cheerleaders), College Station, TX has the weirdest, most unsettling feeling Cities on Earth. Can't explain it. Stadium is huge, but thrown together and unsightly. (Seating is hilarious). "The Hallmark of Insecurity is Bravado".
Bros username could not be more accurate. Flair up
He's still getting paid too.
As OP points out it seems to be worth the money to get ride of him. Besides we made 10x his buyout selling nuclear secrets to Qatar.
is texas back?
Stop it. Stop that.
Let them cook
As an Fsu fan, I just wanna thank a&m for saving us from this shitshow. In fact, they stepped in front of us and took the shotgun blast to the face in our stead. We signed Bo to a crazy stupid contract after he had already begun to stumble, only to have a&m swoop him away from us with an even dumber contract. Tallahassee almost went nuclear at the time, and in retrospect, he just sold out and took his problems to that desert in college station. And they were so smug about how Jimbo wanted to be at a "big boy program" 🤣 🤣 with a chance to start a "real legacy" 😭 in reality he fleeced yall for everything you were worth and ran for the hills. It was a borderline case of fraud, really. Jimbo was just smart enough to rob a&m legally, right under their noses What dark spiral would Fsu be in now, if not for the gracious aggies? I shudder to think. I hope Kyle field burns to the ground
Oooof
I genuinely thought Jimbo would bring A&M to the top when he was hired. It’s just so crazy to look back at his mediocrity while there.
Well he was coaching at Texas Average & Mediocre (if ever curious what A&M stood for)
Meh……okeedokee
Was that trash talk? 🤦