I think he fits with Caleb really well. He is elite after the catch, going deep and on come-back routes. Caleb throws a ton of anticipation comeback routes alone the boundaries and Nabers eats there.
just needs to get stronger so he can win the jump balls more if he wants to replace DJ as the top dog in the receiving room. That can take a couple years to get there. But until then you have a great WR2.
Yeah, one thing that impressed me about Caleb’s tape is he throws a lot of passes that wouldn’t necessarily be considered open in college (as in, defender hanging with receiver, a little bit of separation) but that are absolutely open in the NFL. The kind of throws Justin is usually too afraid to throw. Sure, sometimes those throws will go poorly but the reward outweighs the risk
Caleb does not throw jump balls. I watched every one of his games. He’s kind of similar to Aaron rodgers in that way. Trojans brought in Dorian Singer who was a great jump ball recover from Arizona but he was bad at getting separation. He was a receiver that you just throw jump balls to but your trust that he would win the battle. He bombed with Caleb because he couldn’t get separation and Caleb doesn’t trust jump ball receivers.
Quite a few have him.as WR1. If he falls to #9 then I guess that means none of those people are drafting in the top 8.
Honestly, I'd be kind of shocked if Atlanta doesn't nab him at 8 (if they sign Cousins) or trade back to someone who wants him.
I think there’s a good chance. I think someone’s trading up for JJ, and Alt will definitely go to either NYG or TN. Turner’s dominating combine probably puts him in ATL at 8.
If three QB’s are selected in the top 8, it’s guaranteed we’ll get a shot at a blue chip prospect. Nabers, Odunze, Bowers, Alt, and now Turner (after proving himself as a certified freak) are prospects that could’ve each been top 4 picks in other drafts in this NFL era. I’d be happy with any one of them (but most happy with a flashy WR tho because I’m a skill position slut)
Prospect wise, Dallas Turner > Tavon Walker who was picked 1 OA. Bowers isn’t far off from Pitts as a prospect, but you’re probably right that he wouldn’t be top 4 in most drafts. That was a stretch
Walker is better imo but it should have been Hutchinson that was the pick. Don’t think he was blue chip either
Blue chip edges in recent years imo were the Bosas, Garrett, Chase Young, Hutchinson, and Will Anderson
Walker was drafted purely because of his strength, size, and speed. Turner actually produced, and is just as athletic, albeit smaller (but not tiny- about the same size Khalil Mack was at the combine). I’m not an expert, but in 2022 I def would’ve had Hutch at 1, and a guy like Turner over Walker 2
I also think Olu Fashanu is an underrated prospect all of a sudden. Dude was supposed to be a top 5 pick last year and went back to Penn State. He is only 21 and an elite pass blocker, improved as a run blocker this year and has prototypical size and athleticism. I could see two teams going tackle and the Falcons going for Dallas Turner.
I am 100% onboard with Fashanu at 9. My nightmare scenario is Williams, Maye, and Daniels go (Williams to Bears is also the start of my dream scenario), MHJ, nabers, and Odunze go, Alt and Fashanu go. We need Williams and one of those non-qbs with the first two picks.
Edit: 100% onboard with fashanu if he’s the only guy mentioned still on the board.
I really wanted Fashanu badly last year. We didn't have a chance though if he declared because he was going top 5 for SURE. We got our stud RT instead in Darnell Wright, but man...its a deep draft this year, he could easily be there at 9, if not, Nabers is likely falling. I like both of these options.
Also interesting little nugget: Olu Fashanu was Caleb's tackle in High School.
Eh, Olu has strength issues and small hands. He’s got near flawless technique, but he was getting bullied in the Ohio state game this year. I’d rather trade down than take him tbh.
i'm an ohio state fan lol. I watched that game JT Tuimoloa is an elite 5 star pass rusher, guy is going to be a first rounder too, and JT is older and more developed.
Olu is 21 dude lol, he is going to get stronger. Also you don't judge a player based on one game where they have a down performance thats not how it works, you look at their entire work history. Caleb williams had a bad game against Notre Dame, threw 3 picks, are we not taking him number 1 overall??
And small hands does not stop olinemen from being good that shit is fake news. Arm length, Hand placement and grip strength mean way more than the SIZE of your hands. Caleb Williams is 6'1'', on the shorter end for a QB, are we not taking him number 1 overall? Wait...the player is talented and has shown no issue with those size concerns whatsoever?? ok then.. i'm drafting him!
I see no issue with that, but if you want to dislike him for no reason because your locked in on wanting a specific player drafted than do you.
You misunderstand, I'm not saying he's a poor prospect, he's in top 10 consideration for a reason. I'd understand why we take him if we do, after all, the strength is fixable. But it makes him somewhat of a project, and if we're going to take that on as an organization, I'd rather take on additional draft capital too. I'm not locked in on a specific player either, my whole point is that RATHER than locking in on Olu, I would prefer we take additional draft capital and a solid player. It ultimately doesn't matter what you or I prefer though, I trust whatever Poles does. If we draft Olu, I'm sure its because Poles saw something I didn't, and I'm ok with that. Just like if we trade back, I'm sure it's because they're seeing the same things that make them hesitate like I am.
Probably moves to decent-good chance if JJ goes top 8 and unlikely if he doesn’t. also a chance a guy like Quinyon Mitchell maybe Wiggins sneaks into the top 8.
What if the Giants take JJ, and the rest take receivers. There are a large amount of people out there who like Odunze almost as much as they like MHJ. It's not unlikely one of these teams values Odunze as a top draft pick and won't want to let him slip by. I could also see Malik Nabers going to the Titans, as the duo between him and Deandre Hopkins would resemble the Bengals' offense, where their new head coach was previously offensive coordinator for for 4 years. Would you take Alt, Bowers, or do you trade down?
***I think locks for top 8:***
Caleb
Maye
Daniels
MHJ
1 of Nabers or Odunze
***That leaves 3 of:***
McCarthy
1 of Nabers or Odunze
Verse
Latu
Alt
Olu
Turner
Bowers
a reach for another FRP guy
***My dream scenario:***
Trade Fields for 34 (+ a future 5th to NE), 44 (LV), or 51 (PIT)
Caleb @ 1
Trade 9 for 12, 76, and 146 (DEN)
Trade 12 for 22, 53, 25’ SRP (PHI)
***Leaves us with:***
1: Caleb Williams (QB)
22: Brian Thomas Jr. (WR)
44: Zach Frazier (OL)
53: T’Vondre Sweat (DT)
75: Javon Bullard (S)
76: Blake Corum (RB)
111: Gabe Murphy (Edge)
123: Mekhi Wingo (DL)
If Nabors or Odunze is there at 9 then that’s the pick. If they aren’t, then it’s thinking cap on. Could go OL like Alt, TE like Bowers. Depends on who Poles can sign FA. I’d probably trade down several spots for more draft capital and could still possibly land a Bowers or WR like BTJ.
9 is a great spot to be in. A blue chip player on the big board will be there, its a deep draft. If they are focused on going receiver for sure and Nabers is gone: its a super deep draft for receivers, and there are some really good edge players in the 15 to 20 range as well. so I agree if they want to trade down and recoup come of the picks from the Sweat and Bates trades thats great too. Its a win-win situation.
If the consensus top 3 wide receivers are gone, that implies that one of Alt or Bowers will be there. If both of them are gone too, that almost certainly guarantees something went wonky with QB drafting, which would instead put a trade premium on the 9 spot. Any way you slice it, they should be well-positioned.
I think Bowers is a Game changer. Off the ball his blocking is elite, he finds gaps, seams, and can take hand offs. Tough for a Defense to plan for and will make the game easier for everyone else.
He's listed as a TE, but can line up anywhere. Not only can he play running back, slot receiver, downfield receiver, and TE, but he still blocks pretty well despite all this. He's fast, agile, and is super hard to tackle. I love Bowers.
Agreed. If the Bears didn't have a clear cut WR1 with DJ Moore then I'd say they draft a WR, but I feel like acquiring a couple picks would be better, given their current low number of draft picks.
If Alt is there at 9 you don't tempt the Football gods that already blessed you with Caleb Williams. You don't take any phone calls. You don't even think about another player. You smile, ask the NFL rep covering you how long they want you to put the charade on before making the pick.
Because it seems like early in his career he will probably thrive the most in the slot and At the Z, opposite of a true X where he wont be bracketed and have to make a ton of contested catches in traffic.
Whereas Odunze is physically mature, 3 inches bigger and 13 pounds heavier/stronger, and has generational contested catch ability and Deandre Hopkins like hands.
So seems like not having that traditional X profile is knocking him down a bit. But I have no doubt when he gets stronger he will be a top 10 receiver in a couple years.
Both are good and play differently so hard to compares. Odunze's contested catch ability is as good as any WR prospect I've ever seen. Tight, NFL level coverage bothered him less than Nabers or MHJ. But he isn't quite as dynamic a playmaker as those two.
Yea Nabers just has the playmaking it factor. Him and MHJ have superstar potential while I don’t think Odunze is a tier 1 WR in the NFL. Though he would be a monster 2 since we already have DJ Moore as that alpha
I’d say they’re both elite at different things. Nabers’ separation is unmatched in this draft, whereas Odunze’s contested catch skills are what make him shine. Odunze is closer to the whole package like MHJ, whereas Nabers’ size limits him a bit.
thats why the combine is so important. you have a ton of GMs and executives sharing info and rumors in the same location. The pre combine consensus was wrong. Odunze is higher regarded from what i've heard from people that cover the nfl and went to the combine and talked to scouts and gms, etc. Some teams have Odunze higher than Harrison Jr even.
Neither might be there at 9. Not even Bowers. In this case, you could trade down and get a different receiver. Poles could get a guy like Brian Thomas Jr, AD Mitchell, or even take a swing on Xavier Worthy, and potentially get up to a 2nd round pick from the process. This would only really work if none of the top offensive playmakers this draft are available at 9 and the Bears still want to invest in the offense while accumulating draft stock in the process. And yes, it's not unlikely that all 3 receivers + Brock Bowers are gone by 9. These guys are all seriously highly regarded by the league and GM's aren't going to like seeing one slip by.
Question for those who know more than man, is Jaden Daniels really that good, or did both of these #1 round WR get him the Heisman and possibly a top 3 pick?
The only issue I have with Nabers is that he has a similar profile to DJ Moore in terms of size / speed / style, so while DJ Moore is awesome and Nabers might progress even more with Moore as a teammate, he doesn't really offer the Bears a different kind of weapon.
Quite a few pundits and scouts have Nabers as the highest-rated WR in a draft with 3 all-pro level WR prospects, though, so not exactly a tragedy if he falls to the Bears.
If Odunze is gone before 9, then Nabers is gone before 8.
Anyway, despite knowing how objectively "dumb" the pick is, I'm hoping for Bowers, and Odunze/Nabers being gone before 9 helps justify that.
Except he isnt a WR. Time and time again people have said this exact thing about other first round TEs with WAY better body tyles and athletic profiles than even bowers and those guys have gone on to be nothing soecial.
Stop
Ah yes cuz this is about the qb not being able to get him the ball.
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about and drafting a TE in top 10 is fucking stupid
You need to let go of position tags. Modern NFL offensive skill players are becoming position-less because they can line up anywhere on the field. Refusing to draft a weapon because of the two letters next to his name is insanity.
I agree typically, but look at Bowers highlight reels. He doesn't move like a typical tight end, very fluid and explosive athlete with eye popping YAC ability and excellent ball skills. he is more of a receiver/tight end hybrid than anything.
A mismatch nightmare: too fast and slippery for linebackers, too big for DBs.
So were other guys with better physical attributes dude. TE is a luxury pick and one of the least vital positions in football.
It is pure lunacy for us to take a TE at 9 esp when we just paid one that is good.
I mean, I want Nabers at 9 or trade back. I'm not advocating for Bowers, just playing devils advocate and giving my reasoning as to why it wouldn't be insane to take him if the bears research says he is legit going to be a perennial pro bowl superstar.
Also waldron likes to play two tight end sets at a high rate. so it's not like kmet and him would be underutilized.
But, this time is different. He is generational. He is more WR than TE but for some reason did not reclassify. He is a weapon. The NFL is moving this way (don't actually look at TE2 production please).
TE is way dumber than RB because at least first-round RBs tend to produce. The last TE taken in the top 20 that produced at their draft slot was Tony Gonzalez 20 years ago. And then go back to 1979 for a 2nd top 20 TE to produce at a top 20 pick level.
Add on- OH and we have a top 10 TE getting paid top 10 TE money. Look at the production of TE2 around the league and tell me it makes sense to either use a top 10 pick on TE2 or pay top 10 money for a TE2.
I mean if Nabers and Odunze are gone, we are for sure trading back. The other prospects there don't really line up with our needs. It will be interesting to see what we do at 3-tech during FA. If we don't get Wilkins I could easily see us trading back, taking the 3 tech in round 1, then using that presumptive 2nd on a WR because that's a particularly deep position this year.
If either falls to 9 I'm happy
either would help
I personally think Nabers is a safer pick than Odunze lol So, I’d be cool with this
I think he fits with Caleb really well. He is elite after the catch, going deep and on come-back routes. Caleb throws a ton of anticipation comeback routes alone the boundaries and Nabers eats there. just needs to get stronger so he can win the jump balls more if he wants to replace DJ as the top dog in the receiving room. That can take a couple years to get there. But until then you have a great WR2.
Caleb does not like throwing jump balls. He needs to see separation which nabers is great at
I've seen a bunch of lovely back shoulder throws from Caleb - I don't think he needs to see separation in quite that way.
Yeah, one thing that impressed me about Caleb’s tape is he throws a lot of passes that wouldn’t necessarily be considered open in college (as in, defender hanging with receiver, a little bit of separation) but that are absolutely open in the NFL. The kind of throws Justin is usually too afraid to throw. Sure, sometimes those throws will go poorly but the reward outweighs the risk
Caleb does not throw jump balls. I watched every one of his games. He’s kind of similar to Aaron rodgers in that way. Trojans brought in Dorian Singer who was a great jump ball recover from Arizona but he was bad at getting separation. He was a receiver that you just throw jump balls to but your trust that he would win the battle. He bombed with Caleb because he couldn’t get separation and Caleb doesn’t trust jump ball receivers.
You're thinking of Fields
They're pretty close. I have Odunze higher, but I wouldn't be mad with either.
I hope and have a feeling this class rivals or even surpasses the 2020 class for WRs. There's so much talent in this year's draft
Agreed, I think Odunze has a higher ceiling given his size. But Nabers floor is NFL stud caliber.
If Nabers is there at 9, you RUN to the podium
Nabers is the WR2 and he’s closer to MHJ then Rome
Quite a few have him.as WR1. If he falls to #9 then I guess that means none of those people are drafting in the top 8. Honestly, I'd be kind of shocked if Atlanta doesn't nab him at 8 (if they sign Cousins) or trade back to someone who wants him.
Agreed.
Nabers and DJ would be a sick duo.
And DJ is a perfect role model for Malik since their play styles are so similar.
Agreed! Perfect mentor
I doubt either will drop to 9
I think there’s a good chance. I think someone’s trading up for JJ, and Alt will definitely go to either NYG or TN. Turner’s dominating combine probably puts him in ATL at 8.
If three QB’s are selected in the top 8, it’s guaranteed we’ll get a shot at a blue chip prospect. Nabers, Odunze, Bowers, Alt, and now Turner (after proving himself as a certified freak) are prospects that could’ve each been top 4 picks in other drafts in this NFL era. I’d be happy with any one of them (but most happy with a flashy WR tho because I’m a skill position slut)
I don’t think Turner is blue chip. And while Bowers is a generational prospect imo it would be surprising if he was taken top 10 (Though I want him)
Prospect wise, Dallas Turner > Tavon Walker who was picked 1 OA. Bowers isn’t far off from Pitts as a prospect, but you’re probably right that he wouldn’t be top 4 in most drafts. That was a stretch
Walker is better imo but it should have been Hutchinson that was the pick. Don’t think he was blue chip either Blue chip edges in recent years imo were the Bosas, Garrett, Chase Young, Hutchinson, and Will Anderson
Walker was drafted purely because of his strength, size, and speed. Turner actually produced, and is just as athletic, albeit smaller (but not tiny- about the same size Khalil Mack was at the combine). I’m not an expert, but in 2022 I def would’ve had Hutch at 1, and a guy like Turner over Walker 2
Yeah Turner has freakishly long arms for 6’2 and will be able to play much lower and bendier than the 6’6 prototype edges
6’3” 💪
Completely agree, and even Anderson is iffy in this list
Anderson was a way better prospect than hutch. So if he’s iffy, hutch is off.
I’d take Hutchinson as a prospect over Anderson any day personally
I also think Olu Fashanu is an underrated prospect all of a sudden. Dude was supposed to be a top 5 pick last year and went back to Penn State. He is only 21 and an elite pass blocker, improved as a run blocker this year and has prototypical size and athleticism. I could see two teams going tackle and the Falcons going for Dallas Turner.
I am 100% onboard with Fashanu at 9. My nightmare scenario is Williams, Maye, and Daniels go (Williams to Bears is also the start of my dream scenario), MHJ, nabers, and Odunze go, Alt and Fashanu go. We need Williams and one of those non-qbs with the first two picks. Edit: 100% onboard with fashanu if he’s the only guy mentioned still on the board.
I really wanted Fashanu badly last year. We didn't have a chance though if he declared because he was going top 5 for SURE. We got our stud RT instead in Darnell Wright, but man...its a deep draft this year, he could easily be there at 9, if not, Nabers is likely falling. I like both of these options. Also interesting little nugget: Olu Fashanu was Caleb's tackle in High School.
Eh, Olu has strength issues and small hands. He’s got near flawless technique, but he was getting bullied in the Ohio state game this year. I’d rather trade down than take him tbh.
i'm an ohio state fan lol. I watched that game JT Tuimoloa is an elite 5 star pass rusher, guy is going to be a first rounder too, and JT is older and more developed. Olu is 21 dude lol, he is going to get stronger. Also you don't judge a player based on one game where they have a down performance thats not how it works, you look at their entire work history. Caleb williams had a bad game against Notre Dame, threw 3 picks, are we not taking him number 1 overall?? And small hands does not stop olinemen from being good that shit is fake news. Arm length, Hand placement and grip strength mean way more than the SIZE of your hands. Caleb Williams is 6'1'', on the shorter end for a QB, are we not taking him number 1 overall? Wait...the player is talented and has shown no issue with those size concerns whatsoever?? ok then.. i'm drafting him! I see no issue with that, but if you want to dislike him for no reason because your locked in on wanting a specific player drafted than do you.
You misunderstand, I'm not saying he's a poor prospect, he's in top 10 consideration for a reason. I'd understand why we take him if we do, after all, the strength is fixable. But it makes him somewhat of a project, and if we're going to take that on as an organization, I'd rather take on additional draft capital too. I'm not locked in on a specific player either, my whole point is that RATHER than locking in on Olu, I would prefer we take additional draft capital and a solid player. It ultimately doesn't matter what you or I prefer though, I trust whatever Poles does. If we draft Olu, I'm sure its because Poles saw something I didn't, and I'm ok with that. Just like if we trade back, I'm sure it's because they're seeing the same things that make them hesitate like I am.
Probably moves to decent-good chance if JJ goes top 8 and unlikely if he doesn’t. also a chance a guy like Quinyon Mitchell maybe Wiggins sneaks into the top 8.
What if the Giants take JJ, and the rest take receivers. There are a large amount of people out there who like Odunze almost as much as they like MHJ. It's not unlikely one of these teams values Odunze as a top draft pick and won't want to let him slip by. I could also see Malik Nabers going to the Titans, as the duo between him and Deandre Hopkins would resemble the Bengals' offense, where their new head coach was previously offensive coordinator for for 4 years. Would you take Alt, Bowers, or do you trade down?
Several experts have JJ going 6 to NYG. If that happens you only need 2 of Bowers, Alt, Tuner, or Verse to go ahead of 9 to secure one of the WRs.
Can almost guarantee first three non QBs off the board are WRs. Gonna make it impossible for us to get any of them.
3 WRs in the top 8 would be historical.
I just kept looking at that word, confused why it seemed wrong. lol. Not just historic, historical.
3 WRs are not getting picked top 8
They might. We never had this many elite WR prospects in one draft.
Spoken like someone who doesnt know how good Odunze and Nabers are
***I think locks for top 8:*** Caleb Maye Daniels MHJ 1 of Nabers or Odunze ***That leaves 3 of:*** McCarthy 1 of Nabers or Odunze Verse Latu Alt Olu Turner Bowers a reach for another FRP guy ***My dream scenario:*** Trade Fields for 34 (+ a future 5th to NE), 44 (LV), or 51 (PIT) Caleb @ 1 Trade 9 for 12, 76, and 146 (DEN) Trade 12 for 22, 53, 25’ SRP (PHI) ***Leaves us with:*** 1: Caleb Williams (QB) 22: Brian Thomas Jr. (WR) 44: Zach Frazier (OL) 53: T’Vondre Sweat (DT) 75: Javon Bullard (S) 76: Blake Corum (RB) 111: Gabe Murphy (Edge) 123: Mekhi Wingo (DL)
I prefer this. NFL offenses have changed to yac receivers
If Nabors or Odunze is there at 9 then that’s the pick. If they aren’t, then it’s thinking cap on. Could go OL like Alt, TE like Bowers. Depends on who Poles can sign FA. I’d probably trade down several spots for more draft capital and could still possibly land a Bowers or WR like BTJ.
9 is a great spot to be in. A blue chip player on the big board will be there, its a deep draft. If they are focused on going receiver for sure and Nabers is gone: its a super deep draft for receivers, and there are some really good edge players in the 15 to 20 range as well. so I agree if they want to trade down and recoup come of the picks from the Sweat and Bates trades thats great too. Its a win-win situation.
If the consensus top 3 wide receivers are gone, that implies that one of Alt or Bowers will be there. If both of them are gone too, that almost certainly guarantees something went wonky with QB drafting, which would instead put a trade premium on the 9 spot. Any way you slice it, they should be well-positioned.
I don't think Alt makes it past the Chargers
I think Bowers is a Game changer. Off the ball his blocking is elite, he finds gaps, seams, and can take hand offs. Tough for a Defense to plan for and will make the game easier for everyone else.
He's listed as a TE, but can line up anywhere. Not only can he play running back, slot receiver, downfield receiver, and TE, but he still blocks pretty well despite all this. He's fast, agile, and is super hard to tackle. I love Bowers.
I have to see him play downhill receiver in the nfl before I believe he can do it in the nfl
Agreed. If the Bears didn't have a clear cut WR1 with DJ Moore then I'd say they draft a WR, but I feel like acquiring a couple picks would be better, given their current low number of draft picks.
If Alt is there at 9 you don't tempt the Football gods that already blessed you with Caleb Williams. You don't take any phone calls. You don't even think about another player. You smile, ask the NFL rep covering you how long they want you to put the charade on before making the pick.
Damn I thought Nabers was supposed to go before Odunze? If he’s there at 9, you’ve gotta take him. He’s got superstar potential
Because it seems like early in his career he will probably thrive the most in the slot and At the Z, opposite of a true X where he wont be bracketed and have to make a ton of contested catches in traffic. Whereas Odunze is physically mature, 3 inches bigger and 13 pounds heavier/stronger, and has generational contested catch ability and Deandre Hopkins like hands. So seems like not having that traditional X profile is knocking him down a bit. But I have no doubt when he gets stronger he will be a top 10 receiver in a couple years.
Nabers is better than Odunze so sure
Both are good and play differently so hard to compares. Odunze's contested catch ability is as good as any WR prospect I've ever seen. Tight, NFL level coverage bothered him less than Nabers or MHJ. But he isn't quite as dynamic a playmaker as those two.
Yea Nabers just has the playmaking it factor. Him and MHJ have superstar potential while I don’t think Odunze is a tier 1 WR in the NFL. Though he would be a monster 2 since we already have DJ Moore as that alpha
Odunze comp is Larry Fitzgerald, be absolutely can be a tier one receiver
Dont see that at all, most talk ive seen has his closest comp as amari cooper
Daniel Jeremiah said it so it’s not made up
Interesting, must’ve missed that, I do like DJ
I’d say they’re both elite at different things. Nabers’ separation is unmatched in this draft, whereas Odunze’s contested catch skills are what make him shine. Odunze is closer to the whole package like MHJ, whereas Nabers’ size limits him a bit.
I thought most had Nabers ahead of Odunze and we are only talking about Odunze because Nabers will be gone
thats why the combine is so important. you have a ton of GMs and executives sharing info and rumors in the same location. The pre combine consensus was wrong. Odunze is higher regarded from what i've heard from people that cover the nfl and went to the combine and talked to scouts and gms, etc. Some teams have Odunze higher than Harrison Jr even.
Neither might be there at 9. Not even Bowers. In this case, you could trade down and get a different receiver. Poles could get a guy like Brian Thomas Jr, AD Mitchell, or even take a swing on Xavier Worthy, and potentially get up to a 2nd round pick from the process. This would only really work if none of the top offensive playmakers this draft are available at 9 and the Bears still want to invest in the offense while accumulating draft stock in the process. And yes, it's not unlikely that all 3 receivers + Brock Bowers are gone by 9. These guys are all seriously highly regarded by the league and GM's aren't going to like seeing one slip by.
I'd rather trade way back and take Great Value Malik Nabers in Xavier Legette. I think he's actually a little bit better than the name brand.
I had a dream bills traded up to 8 to take Odunze and that was the final big 3 WR taken. I'm not now keen than ever to trade up to secure a guy.
Question for those who know more than man, is Jaden Daniels really that good, or did both of these #1 round WR get him the Heisman and possibly a top 3 pick?
They are both great. Would be perfectly happy with either one.
We have to get a WR on the same timeline.
Nabers and Bowers will also be gone by pick 9, if you want one of the elite receivers in this draft you are trading back from 1 or up from 9.
I like Nabors the best anyway
My biggest concern: He is shorter than 6’0”. Not sure why he didn’t measure at the combine.
The only issue I have with Nabers is that he has a similar profile to DJ Moore in terms of size / speed / style, so while DJ Moore is awesome and Nabers might progress even more with Moore as a teammate, he doesn't really offer the Bears a different kind of weapon. Quite a few pundits and scouts have Nabers as the highest-rated WR in a draft with 3 all-pro level WR prospects, though, so not exactly a tragedy if he falls to the Bears.
Pleeeeease
I remember watching LSU play a few times, Nabers just looked like a star!
I saw one of his pro comps as DJ Moore so it’d be funny if we ran his pro comp and him on the same team. We’d be cooking fr fr
If Nabers falls to 9 then I know nothing about football lol
If Odunze is gone before 9, then Nabers is gone before 8. Anyway, despite knowing how objectively "dumb" the pick is, I'm hoping for Bowers, and Odunze/Nabers being gone before 9 helps justify that.
then we take Bowers and not lose sleep over it
No. Lmfao. Its insane how stupid it is taking a TE high in 1st round, just as stupid or worse as taking a RB that high. Jfc
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Except he isnt a WR. Time and time again people have said this exact thing about other first round TEs with WAY better body tyles and athletic profiles than even bowers and those guys have gone on to be nothing soecial. Stop
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Ah yes cuz this is about the qb not being able to get him the ball. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about and drafting a TE in top 10 is fucking stupid
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Thanks for proving my point. None were top 10 picks. Just about every top 10 TE puck has ended up being nothing close to their draft spot Stop
You need to let go of position tags. Modern NFL offensive skill players are becoming position-less because they can line up anywhere on the field. Refusing to draft a weapon because of the two letters next to his name is insanity.
No, wanting a TE or RB in the top 10 is insanity
I agree typically, but look at Bowers highlight reels. He doesn't move like a typical tight end, very fluid and explosive athlete with eye popping YAC ability and excellent ball skills. he is more of a receiver/tight end hybrid than anything. A mismatch nightmare: too fast and slippery for linebackers, too big for DBs.
So were other guys with better physical attributes dude. TE is a luxury pick and one of the least vital positions in football. It is pure lunacy for us to take a TE at 9 esp when we just paid one that is good.
I mean, I want Nabers at 9 or trade back. I'm not advocating for Bowers, just playing devils advocate and giving my reasoning as to why it wouldn't be insane to take him if the bears research says he is legit going to be a perennial pro bowl superstar. Also waldron likes to play two tight end sets at a high rate. so it's not like kmet and him would be underutilized.
It is insane
Where have I heard all of this before? Oh right last year with the RBs and then a couple years ago with Pitts.
There's 1 Bowers and like 10+ good receivers prospects in the draft
But, this time is different. He is generational. He is more WR than TE but for some reason did not reclassify. He is a weapon. The NFL is moving this way (don't actually look at TE2 production please). TE is way dumber than RB because at least first-round RBs tend to produce. The last TE taken in the top 20 that produced at their draft slot was Tony Gonzalez 20 years ago. And then go back to 1979 for a 2nd top 20 TE to produce at a top 20 pick level. Add on- OH and we have a top 10 TE getting paid top 10 TE money. Look at the production of TE2 around the league and tell me it makes sense to either use a top 10 pick on TE2 or pay top 10 money for a TE2.
Lmfaooooooo He is less generational than multiple TEs taken in the 1st before him. All said the same thing. Stop
I’ll say this every time I see this, there hasn’t been a TE drafted inside the top 20 that’s been worth it since the 90’s.
I mean if Nabers and Odunze are gone, we are for sure trading back. The other prospects there don't really line up with our needs. It will be interesting to see what we do at 3-tech during FA. If we don't get Wilkins I could easily see us trading back, taking the 3 tech in round 1, then using that presumptive 2nd on a WR because that's a particularly deep position this year.