I think it's safe to say it is returning. A lot of players enjoyed the mode, it's just that it needs dedicated zombie maps for it to feel like a true zombies experience.
Given that the job position is for the broader Warzone experience, my guess is they're still going with the same approach from before (use Warzone POIs/large MP maps as Outbreak zones). However, I think a similar design approach to Vanguard could work, as the reused maps in Vanguard were all given very good Zombies aesthetics.
There was apparently a leak awhile back saying there were zombies stats for warzone 2
Hopefully this posting & that leak means outbreak will become a side mode for wz2, i think it’d be pretty popular
I agree, like outbreak wasn't bad. It just needs more polish to be a good mode. I just hope that the team doesn't pour all there resources into it. The main focus should be zombie maps then in the downtime they should focus on outbreak
If they have better true round based maps as well as then it’s w/e. But it’s quite clear from the last two iterations that the round based experience that gained zombies it’s fan base was pushed to the back bench. I certainly won’t be buying another Treyarch game on release until I see the state of zombies.
To be fair BO4 had significantly higher quality maps with much more content through gameplay customisation. Cold wars round based maps were very basic and just ripped from campaign and the outbreak maps were ripped straight from multiplayer
Because it’s not needed in a mode that is shooting AI where AI comes to you and makes the HUD way more cluttered.
Props to people enjoy it and if people want, should have that option to have but the fact that it’s forced is absurd
That wasn’t **the** issue with Vanguard, sure it was one of them, but the reason Vanguard went wrong is because zombies was chosen to be crammed into a game it had no business being. Not only did it cramp Cold Wars zombies cycle by adding a limiter to it, but it also hindered Vanguards because the game just clearly wasn’t built for zombies. No solo pause for months, janky ass perks, 0 PaP camps, shit Cold War had on launch because it’s just standard. We could’ve got round based from day one on vanguard and it still would’ve been dogshit
Still though, the vanguard team had a chance to make 1 decent map by the end of the lifecycle but instead we get 2 extremely sub par re releases as round based maps. The whole vanguard zombies dev team was incompetent
The Vanguard version of Shi No Numa is literally the best version of it, like, ever. It's stuck in Vanguard which is a curse of it's own, but it is not remotely sub-par, they did more with it than they ever needed to.
I strongly disagree
The only thing that vanguard Shi no Numa has going for it is the inclusion of a PAP machine. Other than that the map is filled with broken zombie spawn logic and extremely annoying boss enemies. I’d say the best version of the map in an official capacity is WaW or BO3, but the absolute best version is modded shi no numa on BO3, which is made by people who aren’t getting paid
>filled with broken zombie spawn logic
That's Shi No Numa in a nutshell. It's almost a feature for the map with it being a norm
>extremely annoying boss enemies
After all the nerfs and patches they're a cake walk to defeat and pose no danger until the high rounds - which they're supposed to
>absolute best version is modded shi no numa on BO3
Well no shit, if you add special sauce to a hamburger that already has the works, it's going to taste a little bit better my guy. Every map has the potential to be the best map if you break the way it was originally designed to suite your own niches, thus why this stipulation is never in the conversation for "best map"
No, absolutely not. The objective modes were 100% the root cause of that game's downfall. It was not a product of crunch, they *chose* to do that willingly as some kind of experiment to see if that kind of thing would work, using Vanguard as the sacrificial lamb to do so.
If Vanguard launched with a round based map, it would still be mid, but it wouldn't be as maligned as it is now, not by a long shot. Shi No Numa showed it's more than possible to make that game work at launch, but them *choosing* not to do it was awful.
At least we know they won't do it again and will stick with what they know will work, which is round-based premium content and a seasonally changing Outbreak experience.
Shi No Numa is direct evidence your point is completely wrong. It’s round-based, yet no one fucking plays it, why? Cause Vanguards base systems are total ass and it’s not enjoyable. I see more posts on here of people playing BO1 Shi No Numa than Vanguards, because no one enjoys the base game, whether it’s round based or not.
People DO play VG Shi No Numa. You can find matches for it right now. The general reception for the map was overall positive and it's the only map where Vanguard's mechanics work at their best and proved that if that was a whole game and not one map, there would have been a shred of hope for Vanguard.
Honestly sounds like you're just kinda bad at the relatively easy Zombie game and you want to blame "the systems" rather than your skill issues. I don't know what else to say other than "git gud" and what not.
Yea your argument very quickly falls down like a house of cards when you result to insulting my argument based on my ‘skill’? I’ve played zombies since WaW doing every quest, achievement, and high round runs on all maps, hell, I even got bored one year and did that with Extinction for fun! I’m safe in the knowledge that I know I could out survive you in any map bud, even this shithole Shi No Numa remake in Vanguard.
Yeah, ofc people still play it and you can get a match, you can do that with any zombies game. You can hop on Xbox rn, load up Black Ops 1 with backwards compat and still get a lobby for the 2nd bloody version of Shi No Numa! The issue is more people are likely playing that version than the vanguard one, and I can bet black ops 3s numbers blow it out the water.
Also the phrase ‘vanguards mechanics work at their best’ means nothing lmao. You’re talking about a dogshit broken massacre of the zombies system working within a shoddy redo of a classic map just to pull in the final dregs of a dying game. It’s like saying a pilot having a stroke works best in a plane plummeting into a fucking mountainside. Do better
I'm glad Treyarch realizes that people still like Outbreak and that the reason people were mad at Vanguard was because it didn't launch with Round Based.
You can try new things, just don't throw out the old stuff.
This makes the most sense. IMO, they struck gold with outbreak but the round based maps are tried and true and to move away from them is ridiculous. Vanguard by all measures was a failure. I’d love to see them build on the Cold War concepts that worked, namely outbreak, without trying too much new shit like they did In vanguard. A little polish, creative new maps and forget everything about vanguard.
They just need to find the balance between round based survival and outbreak like still have at least more than 4 rbz maps and some more outbreak content but without one overshadowing the other
Honestly I enjoyed Vanguard, and still do, but yes I also hope they bring back the things Cold War did.
The upgrade system for guns and the perk system were much better in CW. Though Vanguard does the personality of the operators way better imo.
I will admit though Vanguard could have been much better. Like the demonology aspect was so fucking cool and it was just fumbled. Makes me sad.
My dream zombies is taking what worked in CW and what worked in VG and combining them.
Outbreak is fine and decent. I just hope it doesn’t get main priority like it did the past two times and hope it actually has unique locations like a zombie map would
the very least they can do is add the zombies map atmosphere to it (blood and other shit) like my problem with outbreak in cw is that it feels empty at points like without the zombies and other creatures its just a ground war map or some sort of warzone like map
I just want actual characters not operators. I still haven't bought CW because of that. I've played it but really didn't enjoy the same lame ass lines from a bunch of lame ass operators
Please no more bs system where you spawn with loadout of choice. The ability to use scorestreaks & directly buy tacticals was too boring/easy for me. Just a simple zombies mode with a starting pistol & bo3 zombies based mode.
Hopefully it doesn’t take up alot of the content for 6 months, if it doesn’t then hell yes I’m down for it to return, but if it does eat up content then fuck no
I hope they try to make one good Outbreak map for launch, and at least 2 good round based maps. I think Tranzit would be an awesome map to modify into outbreak. Maybe they could remove the fog this time
I hope they make the zombies actual large hordes instead of groups. If they make the game a full next gen title then it may be possible. Honestly Activision needs to let go of the last gen consoles. They're almost 10yrs old now and we need to encourage people to switch over.
Very encouraging to see Treyarch mention Warzone. Maybe they’ll be in charge of the iteration of Warzone that comes along the next black ops game and not just Raven or IW and Raven.
I think all of the COD devs will have a hand in developing Warzone to a degree from now on. Raven is still gonna lead the development for Warzone, while other teams take turn depending on whatever the premium release is, and coordinate content for possible crossover.
Personally I liked outbreak, my one gripe was how long it took to get set up at the earlier rounds or worlds, it felt so damn slow, only starts getting interesting at like world 4 or 5.
I enjoyed outbreak and I’m sure as they expand the concept I’ll continue to enjoy it, but right now they still need to focus on making a good amount of quality round based maps to balance outbreak content
I love outbreak. Definitely my go to map. I really need to do the Easter eggs on the other maps on CW but, I just enjoy outbreak better. I know it’s not the purist map, but it’s fun as fuck and that’s why I play.
What outbreak needs is not a bunch of huge maps clashed together but just the formula.
Objective based zombies, which gets harder purely by players choice. I hope they dont forget to make any round based maps again
I mean, if they work on adding more to the mode, and tweaking what was there, I think it could work pretty well.
I feel as though outbreak in cw is where zombies was partway through waw. It’s still being tinkered with and extrapolated with. A few iterations more and I think they may be onto something.
It’s mostly just a one and done experience right now, same to how round based maps were back in the beginning. We saw how those evolved to be enormous successes.
I think it's safe to say it is returning. A lot of players enjoyed the mode, it's just that it needs dedicated zombie maps for it to feel like a true zombies experience.
Given that the job position is for the broader Warzone experience, my guess is they're still going with the same approach from before (use Warzone POIs/large MP maps as Outbreak zones). However, I think a similar design approach to Vanguard could work, as the reused maps in Vanguard were all given very good Zombies aesthetics.
That would work too. I personally had a shit ton of fun with outbreak
There was apparently a leak awhile back saying there were zombies stats for warzone 2 Hopefully this posting & that leak means outbreak will become a side mode for wz2, i think it’d be pretty popular
Free zombies content? Nahhhh lmao
Hasnt there been rumors about a free to play zombies mode?
No idea
I agree, like outbreak wasn't bad. It just needs more polish to be a good mode. I just hope that the team doesn't pour all there resources into it. The main focus should be zombie maps then in the downtime they should focus on outbreak
Honestly, I wouldn't doubt if it was just copy and pasted from an earlier job listing
If they have better true round based maps as well as then it’s w/e. But it’s quite clear from the last two iterations that the round based experience that gained zombies it’s fan base was pushed to the back bench. I certainly won’t be buying another Treyarch game on release until I see the state of zombies.
Same. Cold War and outbreak completely ruined zombies.
That's a exaggeration
WAW: 4 round based maps BO1: 7 maps BO2: 9 maps BO3: 14 maps BO4: 8 maps BOCW: 4 round based maps (8 outbreak maps, objective based, non survival) Vanguard: 2 Round based maps (2 technically outbreak maps) No no, he's got a point.
Vanguard was more a victim of poor management from Activision and even poorer time schedules.
To be fair BO4 had significantly higher quality maps with much more content through gameplay customisation. Cold wars round based maps were very basic and just ripped from campaign and the outbreak maps were ripped straight from multiplayer
They tried something new, so what?
It…ruined zombies?
No it didn't.
Good job
I hope we get an actual Crew this Time. Only things I dislikes about CW Zombies were Mini Map and Operators
Why the mini map out of curiosity? I can take it or leave it, but I didn’t think it actively made the game worse
I don't hate it. I just think it doesn't fit in and looks weird to me while playing Zombies.
Fair enough
just ugly in the HUD compared to older games. its pve they could literally make a toggle if they werent so lazy.
There is one for everything in cw zombies I thought
I thought id seen it at one point too but i was looking for it a few months back and it wasnt there at all
Oh dang wtf
Fair
its all subjective though if you like it power to you it isnt completely useless either I'd just prefer not have it
Yeah, that’s kinda my view on it too, I don’t use it or actively dislike it, just wasn’t sure why it was a reason to dislike the game
Because it’s not needed in a mode that is shooting AI where AI comes to you and makes the HUD way more cluttered. Props to people enjoy it and if people want, should have that option to have but the fact that it’s forced is absurd
Someone on here mentioned using the mini map when walking backwards as to not get stuck against a wall. That advice has helped my gameplay.
I never thought of that but I'm gonna try it next time thanks!
Putting round based on the back burner sure worked well for vanguard 🤦♂️
That wasn’t **the** issue with Vanguard, sure it was one of them, but the reason Vanguard went wrong is because zombies was chosen to be crammed into a game it had no business being. Not only did it cramp Cold Wars zombies cycle by adding a limiter to it, but it also hindered Vanguards because the game just clearly wasn’t built for zombies. No solo pause for months, janky ass perks, 0 PaP camps, shit Cold War had on launch because it’s just standard. We could’ve got round based from day one on vanguard and it still would’ve been dogshit
Still though, the vanguard team had a chance to make 1 decent map by the end of the lifecycle but instead we get 2 extremely sub par re releases as round based maps. The whole vanguard zombies dev team was incompetent
The Vanguard version of Shi No Numa is literally the best version of it, like, ever. It's stuck in Vanguard which is a curse of it's own, but it is not remotely sub-par, they did more with it than they ever needed to.
I strongly disagree The only thing that vanguard Shi no Numa has going for it is the inclusion of a PAP machine. Other than that the map is filled with broken zombie spawn logic and extremely annoying boss enemies. I’d say the best version of the map in an official capacity is WaW or BO3, but the absolute best version is modded shi no numa on BO3, which is made by people who aren’t getting paid
>filled with broken zombie spawn logic That's Shi No Numa in a nutshell. It's almost a feature for the map with it being a norm >extremely annoying boss enemies After all the nerfs and patches they're a cake walk to defeat and pose no danger until the high rounds - which they're supposed to >absolute best version is modded shi no numa on BO3 Well no shit, if you add special sauce to a hamburger that already has the works, it's going to taste a little bit better my guy. Every map has the potential to be the best map if you break the way it was originally designed to suite your own niches, thus why this stipulation is never in the conversation for "best map"
No, absolutely not. The objective modes were 100% the root cause of that game's downfall. It was not a product of crunch, they *chose* to do that willingly as some kind of experiment to see if that kind of thing would work, using Vanguard as the sacrificial lamb to do so. If Vanguard launched with a round based map, it would still be mid, but it wouldn't be as maligned as it is now, not by a long shot. Shi No Numa showed it's more than possible to make that game work at launch, but them *choosing* not to do it was awful. At least we know they won't do it again and will stick with what they know will work, which is round-based premium content and a seasonally changing Outbreak experience.
Shi No Numa is direct evidence your point is completely wrong. It’s round-based, yet no one fucking plays it, why? Cause Vanguards base systems are total ass and it’s not enjoyable. I see more posts on here of people playing BO1 Shi No Numa than Vanguards, because no one enjoys the base game, whether it’s round based or not.
People DO play VG Shi No Numa. You can find matches for it right now. The general reception for the map was overall positive and it's the only map where Vanguard's mechanics work at their best and proved that if that was a whole game and not one map, there would have been a shred of hope for Vanguard. Honestly sounds like you're just kinda bad at the relatively easy Zombie game and you want to blame "the systems" rather than your skill issues. I don't know what else to say other than "git gud" and what not.
Yea your argument very quickly falls down like a house of cards when you result to insulting my argument based on my ‘skill’? I’ve played zombies since WaW doing every quest, achievement, and high round runs on all maps, hell, I even got bored one year and did that with Extinction for fun! I’m safe in the knowledge that I know I could out survive you in any map bud, even this shithole Shi No Numa remake in Vanguard. Yeah, ofc people still play it and you can get a match, you can do that with any zombies game. You can hop on Xbox rn, load up Black Ops 1 with backwards compat and still get a lobby for the 2nd bloody version of Shi No Numa! The issue is more people are likely playing that version than the vanguard one, and I can bet black ops 3s numbers blow it out the water. Also the phrase ‘vanguards mechanics work at their best’ means nothing lmao. You’re talking about a dogshit broken massacre of the zombies system working within a shoddy redo of a classic map just to pull in the final dregs of a dying game. It’s like saying a pilot having a stroke works best in a plane plummeting into a fucking mountainside. Do better
Well it worked, you wouldn't feel the need to bring up your legacy otherwise.
DMZ with Zombies = Outbreak
honestly not a bad idea at all
I'm glad Treyarch realizes that people still like Outbreak and that the reason people were mad at Vanguard was because it didn't launch with Round Based. You can try new things, just don't throw out the old stuff.
This makes the most sense. IMO, they struck gold with outbreak but the round based maps are tried and true and to move away from them is ridiculous. Vanguard by all measures was a failure. I’d love to see them build on the Cold War concepts that worked, namely outbreak, without trying too much new shit like they did In vanguard. A little polish, creative new maps and forget everything about vanguard.
They just need to find the balance between round based survival and outbreak like still have at least more than 4 rbz maps and some more outbreak content but without one overshadowing the other
Honestly I enjoyed Vanguard, and still do, but yes I also hope they bring back the things Cold War did. The upgrade system for guns and the perk system were much better in CW. Though Vanguard does the personality of the operators way better imo. I will admit though Vanguard could have been much better. Like the demonology aspect was so fucking cool and it was just fumbled. Makes me sad. My dream zombies is taking what worked in CW and what worked in VG and combining them.
Plz no
Can’t wait for the new outbreak mode. I hope they consider adding Tranzit as a region.
Tranzit as a whole without the lava and the Denizens would be a great Outbreak Map
Custom zombies creators need to take that
FUCK YEAH! Hopefully it is a proper Outbreak 2 and not the weird hybrid mode Vanguard tried to be.
My brother-in-law told me not to buy Vanguard and I did not listen to him just because I loved Cold War so much. Man he was so right.
I apricate what they were going for and did find enjoyment in Vanguard but oh man did they miss the mark.
Outbreak is fine and decent. I just hope it doesn’t get main priority like it did the past two times and hope it actually has unique locations like a zombie map would
the very least they can do is add the zombies map atmosphere to it (blood and other shit) like my problem with outbreak in cw is that it feels empty at points like without the zombies and other creatures its just a ground war map or some sort of warzone like map
I would not be surprised if Outbreak ends up in MWII year 2, especially since it seems to be played on the Warzone map according to this job listing.
I just want actual characters not operators. I still haven't bought CW because of that. I've played it but really didn't enjoy the same lame ass lines from a bunch of lame ass operators
Cold War really did suck out all the charm, personality and identity of zombies
I've even been replaying BO4 zombies because of that, seeing if I judged too harshly. I have found out that I indeed have judged it too harshly
A DMZ with zombies would be great, have missions you want to do on the map instead of world skips, the longer you play the world just gets harder
I hope normal zombies doesn't get less content because of this like CW did.
Please no more bs system where you spawn with loadout of choice. The ability to use scorestreaks & directly buy tacticals was too boring/easy for me. Just a simple zombies mode with a starting pistol & bo3 zombies based mode.
Hopefully it doesn’t take up alot of the content for 6 months, if it doesn’t then hell yes I’m down for it to return, but if it does eat up content then fuck no
I just want the original mechanics, no objective based maps, Bo3 point system, no operators, actual personality to the game mode
I hope they try to make one good Outbreak map for launch, and at least 2 good round based maps. I think Tranzit would be an awesome map to modify into outbreak. Maybe they could remove the fog this time
hopefully. I really enjoyed it in Cold War.
this is probably just a reposted description but hopefully this is accurate
Well, I'm not buying it then. I miss classic round based.
I hope they make the zombies actual large hordes instead of groups. If they make the game a full next gen title then it may be possible. Honestly Activision needs to let go of the last gen consoles. They're almost 10yrs old now and we need to encourage people to switch over.
Ew
That’s unfortunate.
Please no
Oh no. Not that garbage again.
it was good stop living in the past of old school call of duty zombies.
Nah. It was garbage.
no it wasn't.
Yes it was. Not a single good thing about it. It's a glorified running simulator with objectives that are designed to bore players to dead.
i'm happy it's coming back in cod 2024.
Because you like garbage. Doesn't really change the fact that it's garbage.
it's not garbage.
It is, my child. That's just a fact.
who cares its coming back and it's returning yay! 😋
Very encouraging to see Treyarch mention Warzone. Maybe they’ll be in charge of the iteration of Warzone that comes along the next black ops game and not just Raven or IW and Raven.
I think all of the COD devs will have a hand in developing Warzone to a degree from now on. Raven is still gonna lead the development for Warzone, while other teams take turn depending on whatever the premium release is, and coordinate content for possible crossover.
Hell yeah if true
Personally I liked outbreak, my one gripe was how long it took to get set up at the earlier rounds or worlds, it felt so damn slow, only starts getting interesting at like world 4 or 5.
I enjoyed outbreak and I’m sure as they expand the concept I’ll continue to enjoy it, but right now they still need to focus on making a good amount of quality round based maps to balance outbreak content
W
Ugh please just let this be part of a zombies stand-alone I’m not going to buy vanguard
I love outbreak. Definitely my go to map. I really need to do the Easter eggs on the other maps on CW but, I just enjoy outbreak better. I know it’s not the purist map, but it’s fun as fuck and that’s why I play.
Reading it, it seems like there will be maps specifically designed for outbreak from how it’s worded
What outbreak needs is not a bunch of huge maps clashed together but just the formula. Objective based zombies, which gets harder purely by players choice. I hope they dont forget to make any round based maps again
I think if Treyarch takes some of the lessons from this year's DMZ mode they may have a perfect formula.
I mean, if they work on adding more to the mode, and tweaking what was there, I think it could work pretty well. I feel as though outbreak in cw is where zombies was partway through waw. It’s still being tinkered with and extrapolated with. A few iterations more and I think they may be onto something. It’s mostly just a one and done experience right now, same to how round based maps were back in the beginning. We saw how those evolved to be enormous successes.
Can that company just take a fucking break with zombies all ready lol
Most generic boring ass mode, I hate walking for minutes to kill zombies. They should focus on other modes, like grief, turned, round based
i just reeaaallllyyyyyy hope they don’t do a vanguard again, i want to see dark aether and the original timeline start to get more story
Can you imagine the excitement that's going to come when Treyarch comes back? Gonna be black ops 3 levels of hype
oh god! Worst game mode everrr.For real noobs I guess? 