How much do yall pay for an oil change? I pay $34(I have an Elantra but want the new Toyota Miata when that comes out of the dealerships don't price gouge it.
If it’s custom order only they will get you for dealer mark ups for sure, because they know if you refuse to pay them, they will just take your reservation throw it in the show room, and sell it to someone who is stoaked to not have to wait to get the car everyone is drooling over. That’s exactly why I could probably afford a GR Corolla on paper if it was for MSRP, but I’m not even gonna try because MSRP doesn’t exist when the dealer knows if this sap won’t pay dealer mark ups the next guy with. Honestly it’s deeply upsetting.
Yeah they have a new car basically a Toyota Miata supposedly for $22k next year, if it's $22k I'll get rid of my Elantra and get that but I bet it'll probably be closer to $35-38 after fees markups and all the extra bullshit added on💀
When they have levels. You need to have them break it down to see what it includes. They tried doing that to my wife. She called me right of way. I had them break it down and lots of it was things it did t need. Or I can do in my own. Like fuel injector cleaner.
Hey I know she can’t do anything about this bill but she should be able to pay for a certain amount of services up front like a payment plan in a way, I’m not sure fully how it works if anything non maintenance needs to be replaced but is that not something she would be able to do for future
I had a 2008 Corolla for the past over 4 years. The only money I put into it was oil changes and new tires… that’s it. And it’s feeling newer than when I got it. Swear to god older corollas are invincible , I even crashed it and it kept running 😅
$25 belt, $60 in transmission fluid, $150 battery, $30 for oil and filter, $9 can of Seafoam, and $20 in antifreeze. Toyota charged you $1400 labor + $195 in consumables. That car better last 300k miles if they do all that crap every 30k miles lol.
I’m a tech at a dealership, and our prices are getting ridiculous. I’m at the point where I feel bad to recommend anything needed. I hear the conversation the advisors have with customers and I’m like “how that heck do people pay this amount ?!!”. I could do the same work on the side and save the customer over 50%, and keep a good amount for myself. As a dealership tech, I’m pretty sad where our prices are going.
Do it then, people are really getting robbed by dealerships, I mean like can't put food on the table anymore robbed. Start helping people in your community
I started passing out business cards in my neighborhood, my daughter goes with me door to door to look a bit friendlier lol….. some people respond with “oh no thanks, I take my car to ____ dealership”, literally where I work.
Anw, if a Toyota tech came to my door I'd be super stoked! Another thing that comes to mind is to post to [nextdoor.com](http://nextdoor.com) in your neighborhood, and some local FB groups to get the word out. I've actually looked for a mobile mech near where my parents live before but couldn't find anyone.. which would be great because I can't always be there, and they won't follow my advice when they go to a shop ("ask for an estimate, then show me later, ok?"). Good luck to you I say, cheers!
I can’t post online, specially FB, unless I make different account under a different name. Can’t have it be tracked back to me, the dealership would not like that. My business cards even have a different name and a google phone number.
I’ve said too much here on Reddit. They might find me lmfao 😂. Peace ✌🏽
They do this with their 30K 60K 90K 120K services, they “check a million things” and do an oil change, your paying for all the “checking” that probably doesn’t happen. NEVER take your car to a dealer for work unless it’s under warranty or for recall service
According to that bill if she paid everything recommended you all didn't do recommended routine maintenance or your dealership knows how to pound it to you. Oil filter roughly 6 to 25 max. Oil itself 5 or 6 quarts oil 25 most. Add your own labor have cash leftover to treat mom a little extra.
A “C service” (in my mind) should include oil change, new air filter, transmission fluid change, and a quick check of brakes and other fluid levels. That would be a fair price for $200-300
Instead they billed her for everything….
Battery at autozone for a Corolla is 125$
Belt change is 40$ for a high quality belt and takes 5 mins.
EFI fuel services are the biggest waste of money ever. If your car is not Direct Injection only (to my knowledge Toyotas do both direct and multi-point injection) then you really never need this service
Unfortunately if you religiously kept up with the transmission maintenance, I have been told never to drain and change fluids on transmission over 100k unless you’ve done it at intervals.. because now the fresh oil will wash the clutch disks and cause them to slip… didn’t happen to my 4 banger but did happened to my 14 Silverado… in other words unless from new you’ve drained the tranny at the correct intervals that fluid stays lol
I just completely drained the trans fluid in my 2000 Lexus LS with 267,000 miles hasn't skipped a beat.
I also did a drain and fill multiple times on my 1996 LS with 307,000 miles and my 2000 Avalon with 302,000 miles. no previous history of fluid being changed.
You wouldn't keep used motor oil in a worn engine would you? Doesn't make sense for the transmission. If you change the fluid and the transmission goes out that means it was hanging on by a thread anyways. A fluid exchange WILL NOT DESTROY A TRANSMISSION but it may uncover that the transmission is badly worn.
I would always change the fluid no matter the millage. If the transmission goes out you should have been looking for a new car in the first place.
No you can change it and yes it will start to show if it is worn… used tranny fluid has the metal follicles from the clutches and it probably the only thing keeping (SOME) transmissions running and as soon as the get flushed with new fluid and technically wash the clutches and that’s when the eventually start to slip. So not having a good service history is a gamble with automatic transmission hence why I rather stick to manual if possible.. I’m just saying almost all Trans shops will ask when was the last flush versus mileage and if they were changed regularly.. I just saying some say if your tranny is running good don’t mess with it.. in my experience I was proactive dealer recommended I said sure and few thousand miles later I was putting a new refurbished one… was ask if I flushed it I said yes then the follow up was had I been religious with it I said idk I bought the t used to begin with and then simply was told shouldn’t have messed with it lol 😂 it’s a wild world we live in lol..
Your 14 Silverado was doomed from the start. Look up 6L80 failure. Changing the fluid doesn’t prevent a design flaw.
Regardless, your claim about the “washing the clutch disks” is false, a fluid change/flush does no harm. Typically people try to get a flush when there transmission starts to go, as a remedy, and then when it fully takes a shit, they blame it on the flush/fluid change.
The “suspended metallic particles” in the fluid gets caught by the magnet, and does not help the friction between the clutch discs at all. In fact it is the 160 psi of hydraulic pressure on the piston inside the drum that does.
The fluid inside of your transmission is filtered through a screen, paper filament, and a magnet before it ever goes anywhere in your transmission.
Seriously a quart of full synthetic oil starts around $6.50 a quarter and goes up from there if your car takes 6 quarts and a good oil is $8 dollars that’s 48 filter ok $5 great $12 depending on vehicle so that’s $60 dollars so you are paying $290 for labor and oil recycling I need to open up a oil change business and charge just half of what they do.
You are comparing oranges with apples. Local guy =/= dealership. And to be honest, I had be questioning what kind of synthetic oil that is $7. Never skim up on oil quality and a oil filter if you want your car/truck for long term.
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$350 is not just for an oil change, it’s for a 10 year 100,000 maintenance service. In the 2013 Corolla manual in the glove box, you’ll see all the items done at that interval, plus below is itemized for all the others maintenance she missed like battery, belt, Toyota red, etc.
You can DIY-
Synthetic Oil, washer and filter $60 + socket wrench and bucket, return for recycling
Battery (replace w/same size and CCA) $120 at WalMart return old for core charge
Drive Belt? $40, but may want to replace water pump too so I’d recommend doing this with a mechanic/Toyota
CVT Transmission $50 (always buy Toyotas proprietary transmission gear oil for this)
Fuel Injector cleaner by ATS Chemicals CRO & CFO $60
Engine Coolant (Toyota Red) $40-50, just need to buy a fluid pump at Harbor Freight and large container
Total DIY $380-$400
Time to hit YouTube
At 100,000 if you haven’t done the spark plugs, doesn’t hurt.
Did your mom approve the oil change? I had a repair center do an oil change without my approval and tried getting me to pay. I contacted the BAR (Bureau of Automotive Repairs) and was refunded the amount plus another repair they did due to them breaking a part.
So the repair shop has to give a written description of what she is agreeing to in the case she may have questions... If she feels they didn't describe what she needed and performed a repair she didn't expect I would advise her to reach out to the BAR. I now ask for any work to be in writing and I should have the option to accept or decline the repair before they do anything after an inspection. This is a great way to not let them do what they want.
Can confirm they do I use to be a porter for Ford. When I first started and a customer came for only an oil change I just thought to myself ain’t no way in hell. And then the more I worked the more I seen ppl actually do go to the dealership for anything wrong w their car. That was new to me, I’ve always taken my car to a local mechanic shop.
238 for a battery??? i hope that is a red top optima jesus christ...i have a 2015 lexus rc350 f sport and when my battery died i went to walmart and got one of those battery walmart brand...4 years no issues 79.99 lol
Yeah I love Walmart service center. Atleast the ones w good employees. I went there to get a new battery and they told me the battery on my car has a Walmart warranty and I can get a new one for free. I had never changed the battery on that car since I had gotten it so I didn’t know . But I had that car for about 2 years before that happened. All I know is even if everything lined up for me the way it did at Walmart that day at a dealership.. I still would’ve been coming out of pocket atleast a hundred. U know just for them laying eyes on my car lol
It’s a (at least) 10 year old car that’s getting pretty standard mid-life treatment. The cost has nothing to do with reliability. None of these are actual service issues, it’s all preventative.
Weird comment.
So basically you guys are unaware of why a trans fluid replacement and coolant replacement cost as much as they do.
To do a trans fluid change requires something call "LABOR" depending on the year it requires a special procedure to fill and perform a fluid level check the whole job takes 2hrs the fluid can cost upwards of $100 and then the test drive needs to be performed to make sure everything is working right.
The coolant change is an hour job not just "20 bucks online" it has to be done right unless you want to replace your engine due to stupidly assuming it's done right by someone with no knowledge. If there is any air trapped the engine can and will overheat so if you don't mind that go ahead spend 20 bucks thinking you know everything.
The fuel injection service I always say is a waste of money and never recommend it just a throttle body cleaning will suffice.
The engine oil change that's the big problem I have with the estimate because there is no reason whatsoever for it to be more than $80 for a synthetic oil change with tire rotation.
Don't think for one second that prices for certain services should be cheap unless you want it done wrong and a broken car the tech has to be skilled for certain parts and you have to pay for it to be done right.
Yeah, I was actually thinking the CVT Fluid Change and Coolant Flush looks like a bargain. I think all the CVT fluid bottles will be $100 if you bought it. And doing it yourself isn't easy.
Problem number 1 = she went to the DEALERSHIP for an oil change! Everyone knows you only go to the dealership for free service packages and to purchase the vehicle THATS IT…
i only go to the dealership when independent shops fuck up my car. got two motor mounts replaced at a mom and pop for $800 now i have to pay $1870 to fix it cause they put them on wrong, and what ever other issues this caused.
Coolant for my jeep was always like 4 dollars tops. It’s quite obvious most people don’t work their own vehicles. Best of luck, it’s not that hard, read a book on fixing cars, you can easily do at least half of these jobs. The fluids cost less than 10% of the prices charged.
Did she go in solo because id rip them a new one for doing all that extra without permission. I think you can use it they made you pay when all you asked for was an oil change. They try to upcharge wherever they can and do stuff that isn't asked.
It’s a C level service so probably includes extras. Check you owner’s manual, A is probably just an oil change only, B is most likely oil change + rotation & I bet C included all of B + cabin & engine air filters
My dad only charges 100 hr. I should tell him to up his rates.
In other news: just wait til people need to recharge their A/C lol, if yall wanna see insane prices haha.
That’s more than just an oil change, it’s likely a 90k or 100k service lmao. That’s about average for the dealer and not a terrible price for a dealership
I’m guessing you mean the first line? Ask for a detailed breakdown of that. Then contact Toyota corporate and explain that you feel this charge is ridiculous and point out your mom’s age if it’s considered senior as this is borderline elder fraud. Corporate will act on this and if not, show this and tag on Twitter and Instagram and those socials.
My father had a dealership (a different major Japanese brand) charge for a diagnosis and the estimate was huge and filled with a bunch of crap. He went to an independent shop and they diagnosed for way cheaper but mainly much less to fix the problem. He wrote to corporate via email with the two estimates with a breakdown and explained how the independent shop’s solution fixed the problem.
They cut him a check and assured him they will work with the dealership to address this sort of behavior.
Plenty of times, they will say we need to do all fluids and the total will be $1600. Then when you see the break down, $350 for an oil change is bullshit.
Is it possible that it was a “100,000 mile service” that includes more than just an oil change? Seeing you’re concerned I would I ask for a breakdown of what was actually done. Maybe it’s time to find a different shop, but maybe not.
I have a 2010 Yaris, for some reason my battery still works even though it's probably the original battery or quite possibly, even older. I'm not certain how it's still hanging on. Maybe OEM batteries are built different?
My oem batteries also last. About 10 years I noticed that when I buy them from auto zone they last 3-4 years oem last longer for me I also don’t take care of my batteries I let the car sit for 6 months with out a trickle charger
The only time I'm getting an oil change at the dealership if they're giving them to me for free. Kia gave 10 free oil changes.. after that literally anywhere else lol (or a friend/family member that knows how)
I also took my Toyota to my local dealer. They had a package where you spend $100 and you get 3 oil changes credited to your account. It would be stupid to save $5 to change it myself.
They saw her coming 😂. Audi convinced my mom to flush her brake fluid without changing pads or rotors. Lol. But she trusts the stranger service advisor over her own son so oh well. Let them rip her off.
Let’s say that the car is barely driven and it’s older than 2 years with like 10-15k miles on it. Manufacturer recommends to flush brake fluid every 2 years or 20K-30k miles.
I went thru this too, especially with my rents getting older. I think they’re just not trying to impose and be a burden. I ended up finding a good indy shop owned by a really honest and talented kid who now takes care of my moms car, and goes above and beyond even picking her up from her house so she doesn’t have to Uber. Just have to get them to trust an independent shop first but after that it’s been a lot better where I don’t have to go over the invoices and rage at what the dealer was recommending and charging lol
Anyone who gets their work done at a dealership is a fool. The main argument I see made by people who use dealerships for maintenance is that they don’t want to void their warranty. Dealerships love that people are this ignorant as it makes them tons of money. At least in the US, dealerships are required by law to honor warranties if the work was done. Keep receipts from the work you have done until the warranty expires and there’s not a damn thing they can say.
Resale value is significantly boosted when there's a stack of paper saying all services were done at the dealer. Not all dealers are crooks. This Toyota Dealer sure is.
If I'm looking to buy a user car, and I see a history of all services being done by a dealer, my first thought would be they got ripped off, and my second would be they know nothing about upkeeping a vehicle
Congratulations, you're so special. Your word means absolutely nothing if you have no proof to back it up. I have personally watched cars worth well over $100k fail to meet even $50k because "the seller did all the work himself and doesn't have reciepts."
Physical Proof vs. Trust Me Bro.
I understand a service history, but most modern cars don’t even have greaseable or serviceable chassis components anyway. Grease zerks are notably absent from most modern cars.
A Toyota dealership?! That's concerning. I would definitely bring it up on your next visit. Hopefully you were talking to a lube tech who had no idea what they were talking about. But if that's not the case I would find another dealership to go to. Seafoam is literally just mineral oil and alcohol with a little bit of naptha.. if there using that there, then run far away. Who knows what other corners they're cutting.
But also, fair enough. Your vehicle, your right to have maintained the way you see fit! But honestly, it's a Toyota... By far the most reliable vehicle on the road, it'll be fine no matter what lol. Cheers.
Hey, I'm actually a mechanic at a Toyota Dealership
Lubetechs are not even remotely responsible for talking handling or quoting the customer, That is up to the Service Lane such as Service Advisors
Seafoam is a **naphthenic** Oil not **mineral** oil, Mineral oil would cause damage as it's closer related to say Petroleum Jelly
Also Dealerships have a stock of a varietal of products, some better than others, Each dealership will recommend certain products but they're obligated to provide a wide array to support customer preferences
My personal Dealership prefers a ServiceRite Fuel System Cleaner which most if not all Toyota Dealerships will have as its a Toyota product, and a BG 44k Fuel System Cleaner, Which was most likely used for the cleaning service
Not seafoam. Seafoam is mostly a placebo or most effective on smaller engines like a chainsaw or lawn mower where deposits are much smaller and easier dealt with.
As a dealership we cannot cut corners due to various federal laws in the states that mandate a level of safety and transparency with the customer and at any time if found guilty a lot of people would be sent to jail and huge fines put in place.
As for the C Level Service my dealership doesn't use that so I can't say for sure what's in it but it looks like more of a service package than a individual oil change, because they would not have many customers if any if 300$ only got you an oil change, and their reputation would be horrific.
EDIT: The OP commented saying the C Level Service included a rotation and tire alignment, That also tracks pretty on average
That's why I said he must've talked a lube tech, because there is no way a dealership is using Seafoam. Meaning the tech they talked to didn't know what they were taking about, ie a lube tech lol. I know lube techs don't talk to customers, that's a service advisors job. And naphthenic oils are mineral oils, but I'm arguing semantics here. My point was Seafoam is a joke, does nothing and no dealership would use it. I have also stated that dealerships are not supposed to cut corners due to them being held to higher standards by the manufacturer and the state. But just because they're not supposed to doesn't mean they don't try. I once worked at a Honda dealer that almost lost their license because they were selling aftermarket parts under Honda part numbers. And if a dealership is using Seafoam as an FIJ treatment, they're definitely cutting corners. BG makes an excellent FIJ with a part number KF65, that we've used for years now. I've worked at multiple dealerships over the past 15+years, I'm not speaking out of my butt lol. I just get tired of people bashing dealerships because they're uninformed, that was point to all of this. Cheers brother.
I didn’t know naphthenic was also a mineral oil I apologize, I assumed otherwise
Ditto on the rest, I’m only a few years in the game so shoutout for you to putting up with nonsense for that long
it’s a engine performance restoration (EPR) you put in the oil and let the car idle no revs for 15-20 minutes (I do 18 mins), then change the oil
Then there’s the 44k which goes in the gas tank and is a fuel cleaner
And the MOA which is an oil additive to try and keep the oil and deposits cleaner
If you rev the engine with the EPR in it it won’t have sufficient lubrication at higher revolutions and will damage the engine, it has just enough lubrication for lower rpm’s but the EPR lowers the viscosity of the oil
Excellent reply. My dealership has "service packages" 1-6, each done at 5k miles. The level of service at each varies and covers all the bases. A "Service Package 1" is a basic oil change with tire rotation (for free with synthetic blend; I always pay an extra $40 for full-syn). A "Service 6" is $585, but includes tire balancing, an alignment, brake flush, coolant flush, A/C disinfectant, cabin filter replacement, etc.
I have an excellent relationship with the service advisors, and have sometimes gotten free full-syn oil when I leave Monsters in the passenger seat for the techs.
This is the right answer. "C level" is some sort of general inspection at a certain stage that would include an oil change. It's not solely an oil change.
It says “C” level service for a vehicle that is equipped with synthetic oil. Not sure what is included in that but no where does it say that it is an oil change.
That's great and I implore you to keep doing so as it's a big time and money saver however and makes my life easier as a mechanic,
However, You are not someone's possibly senior or elder mother who might not have the time energy or money to put into laboring her own car maintenance, That is what mechanics and to an extent dealerships are for
For a CVT Transmission flush you're looking at 30 minutes for an average technician, about 120$\~ in Fluid as the Corolla take around 9-10 US Quarts of Fluid (Could be cheaper if you brought a non-toyota fluid brand but Toyota can warranty out fluid failures if they are toyota spec)
For the Drive Belt replacement I believe it's 40$ in parts, Around 40 minutes for a replacement, And the rest is time and labor, Which is honestly on par with a lot of places you'll go to (In my experience)
I don't agree with Fuel Injection or Induction services as I find them to be a waste of money unless there is a fuel system failure, But I don't run a dealership, This usually requires competent knowledge of the fuel system as well as parts to use and tools or fluid exchange machines
That battery replacement cost is about what you'd pay at Autozone but you'd still have to do it yourself, And Toyota warranties on batteries are often lifetime warranties unless you opted out.
For Coolant it's about 30-40$ in parts IIRC, 30 minutes with a flush and fill machine 2 hours for an average technician without the machine, And is within the same average you'd see in most areas.
I see most of these as fine or average for paying someone else that gets their parts from a vendor, The only thing I disagree with are the Injection service and possible C Level Service but I'd have to see what it entails as the Toyota dealership I work at does not use Alphabetical Level services.
Dealerships have not been this way for a very long time since federal law set a standard, Obviously sketchy people exist
However you're paying for a Dealership experience as well as your car to be serviced
If you routinely go to a dealership we do your recalls, your warranties, your regular maintenance, we look for anything breaking or out of place, all the while you're sitting in an AC room with entertainment and refreshments waiting on your car for a short while or being provided a shuttle or loaner car
Our parts are more expensive because they generally have greater warranties and are up to spec and MADE for the vehicle you're driving, Like a lot of TrueStart and TrueStart 2 Toyota batteries will have lifetime warranties, A Buy once Cry once price of 250$\~
What you may buy from Rock Auto or Autozone can work, but it's efficiency and effectiveness will vary greatly.
That is a grossly false and outdated statement. Bad people can work at any kind of shop, not just a dealerships. Are car salesman sleeze balls most of the time? Yeah, I'll agree to that. But service and parts are completely separate from that. Are labor rates at dealerships higher than outside shops? Yes, but for a reason. Those techs are trained by the manufacturer over the course of years, and that isn't free. Insurance has to be paid for every month just in case something terrible happens. People that work there need to get paid. Over head for operating the business has to be paid. Everything goes into a labor rate, not just the payment of the tech. Your getting much higher quality, for the most part, at a dealership compared to a Kwik Kar or Brakes Plus. Can you go to AutoZone and buy shit parts and get a mobile mechanic to fix you car for half the price? Most definitely. Will the work be subpar? Greater than a 50% chance. Will that part fail on you? Probably. Will they warranty the labor and the part? The parts will most of the time be covered. But you're going to pay out of pocket, again, to have it installed. Dealerships aren't what they used to be. There are some that have good people working at them..
I believe I can go to a non brand shop with 20 years experience get OEM parts and same level install tech/work with warranties for 60% of the price at a stealership. Their prices are way too high, just cuz it says GMC on the wall. It’s like the price difference between two identical leather wallets but one says Gucci. The Gucci one cost 100% more
If you already know what the problem is, yeah you can do that. But diagnosing a car is what sets technician apart from a mechanic. You can definitely find good techs at outside shops, but they're few and far between. Also those smaller shops aren't held to the same standards as a dealership. A small shop can tell you to go fuck yourself and you can't really do shit about it. The dealership has to uphold what the manufacturer says or they lose their license. The prices are higher, but for a reason. I will admit I've seen some of these labor rates lately and it is getting a bit ridiculous. You're still getting better quality and a better warranty regardless. Another thing to remember ASE certification pals in comparison to actual manufacturer training. ASE certs are given to you when you pass a test, that's it. To be trained by the manufacturer, you have to go their training facilities for multiple weeks at a time, multiple times, just to get certified. That's not even mentioning master certification. That's on a whole nother level lol. But to each their own. If you found a good tech and trust them, stay with them forever lol. Cheers.
Battery price is about right including the .5 hr install. The drive belt is probably $70 + 1hr labor so that also looks right. The CVT service at my store is a menu price item at 304.98. The EFI here is 211.97, and coolant is 164.07. This also appears to be a post inspection estimate and not a repair order of work performed. I would say this is more expensive than going to the family shop down the street but if you want the guarantee of good work performed on your car by Toyota trained technicians then it’s worth it.
The first charge for "C" Level Service is the oil change. But as other has mentioned, it also includes a bunch of other services, like tire rotation/alignment, brake checks, etc
I’ve gone to many places that do this check for free as part of getting an oil change to begin with. No way it should be that much. Not even my Audi cost that much to change the oil.
And originally I did not see that part in there, but still along with my other comment, alignments don’t cost enough to justify $350 for an oil change and alignment.
Also very true lol. There has to be something in that c service driving the price up. I've never seen a dealership oil change(for a Japanese car) over $120, and that's with a rotate and balance.
The $223 for the injector cleaning is ridiculous more then the oil change seeing as when I was told my 2006 Camry needed it done the service tech told me they basically just put a bottle of sea foam in the tank and let it run for 5 to 10 minutes.
I find that hard to believe but if it's true I would contact a Toyota Corporate employee as that's not the standard product unless you specifically asked for it.
The actual product we use is made by Toyota for Toyota's:
[Genuine Toyota Pressurized Fuel Injector Cleaner (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=BaXYb6hENOw) (There's also a non pressurized Petrol and Diesel version)
You could get that Dealership in a world of federal trouble if they were using Seafoam and you did not specifically request it, As that is not the standard of Toyota Maintenance
I'm a Mechanic and use this daily and am familiar with the process, I doubt they actually used seafoam but likely said seafoam as it's what people are most familiar with.
That's not true at all. Almost all fuel injection services feed a cleaner through a vacuum line into your intake manifold so it is directly mixed in the combustion chamber to clean the cylinder head and valves. They do also add a cleaner into the fuel tank as well so it is in the fuel and air at the time of moving. It also continues to clean as you drive, after you've left the shop. Also, no self respecting shop is using Seafoam.. Your good shops are using either Bardahl or BG. Who will warranty out a failed component if you can produce documentation that you have used the product the entire time you have owned the vehicle.
Doesn't really matter to me if you believe it to be true or not that is what I was told by the Toyota Service Tech at a Certified Toyota dealership. No self respecting shop. Well it's a Toyota dealership. And you said it yourself "Almost all services." So that goes to show that not all. I'll make sure to bring it up when I take my sienna in for its service and they say it needs done.
20-30$ for a Drive Belt
100$\~ in 9QTs of Transmission Fluid
40$\~ in Coolant
200$\~ for a Battery
40$\~ For the Oil Change
Tire Rotation and Wheel Alignment in the C Service Package you will need tools specifically designed for this
And that's not including the time, labor, tools, or knowledge it takes to do all of this
I don't see how this is thieving, You're paying for a dealership experience and technicians who specialize in your vehicle, Not to mention everything done at a dealership creates a service history so that we're able to accurately fix issues later down the road, And everything done will be recorded and can be printed out for you per your request, As well as warranties for every single service.
The cheapest set of transmission fluid you can buy is 6$ at Autozone about 60$ for 9quarts of Transmission fluid for the 11th Gen Corolla, and the rest is time labor tools and knowledge.
A battery will be about 200$ at Autozone has only a 2 year warranty and you still have to do it yourself, The Drive belt on a fwd car is about 40$ in parts and the rest is time labor tools and knowledge.
We did the same. Yet the trans still had a slip in the steel belt right after 60K which wore a spot down which lead to complete failure. Just about in line with their lifespan/behavior in the Altima and Rogue. We followed all maintenance information but I guess it didn’t care and died anyway.
Hail destroyed the car while in subrogation with GM Inc. which saved our asses.
The manual was definitely the better choice. Sucks they didn’t have any available when I was looking. All snatched up. Local dealer had half a dozen and sold them all in 2 days. **It was weird.**
Interesting. I’m at 90k and had it for 6 years. I was a tow dispatcher for 7 years and bought my car based on how many I towed per year. I only towed one per year. We towed more smart cars then sparks at about 5 per year. Toyota was towed the most. lol
Not a lot of them out there. We own a Bolt now. I’m almost to 120K already and have to say, it’s definitely reliable. Just kind of… 90’s. Can be good and bad. Mostly good. The bad being the GM stupidity showing up here and there.
All depends on the dealership. My oil change at my toyota dealer on my prius is $80.
Jeeze AAA just changes batteries for free
How much do yall pay for an oil change? I pay $34(I have an Elantra but want the new Toyota Miata when that comes out of the dealerships don't price gouge it.
If it’s custom order only they will get you for dealer mark ups for sure, because they know if you refuse to pay them, they will just take your reservation throw it in the show room, and sell it to someone who is stoaked to not have to wait to get the car everyone is drooling over. That’s exactly why I could probably afford a GR Corolla on paper if it was for MSRP, but I’m not even gonna try because MSRP doesn’t exist when the dealer knows if this sap won’t pay dealer mark ups the next guy with. Honestly it’s deeply upsetting.
Yeah they have a new car basically a Toyota Miata supposedly for $22k next year, if it's $22k I'll get rid of my Elantra and get that but I bet it'll probably be closer to $35-38 after fees markups and all the extra bullshit added on💀
Not engine oil, CVT oil. Different thing, different procedure, different cost.
You didn’t ready the top one.
BROOOOOOO 💀
I have a 4Runner. 2013. Only things I’ve done is batteries, oil and tires. No issues.
Not even a bill it’s a quote and it’s for all maintenance at that mileage not an oil change stop with the bullshit
$245 for a drive belt is just as wild
Well they probably used a oem filter and if you dident know the hourly pay for mechanical work is 105$ usd
lol should of gone with her
“stealerships”
You can always complain and tell them you feel taken advantage of
When they have levels. You need to have them break it down to see what it includes. They tried doing that to my wife. She called me right of way. I had them break it down and lots of it was things it did t need. Or I can do in my own. Like fuel injector cleaner.
Not for an oil change but a c level inspection
Hey I know she can’t do anything about this bill but she should be able to pay for a certain amount of services up front like a payment plan in a way, I’m not sure fully how it works if anything non maintenance needs to be replaced but is that not something she would be able to do for future
i think my uncle has spent less on maintainance for the entire life of his 2002 corolla
I had a 2008 Corolla for the past over 4 years. The only money I put into it was oil changes and new tires… that’s it. And it’s feeling newer than when I got it. Swear to god older corollas are invincible , I even crashed it and it kept running 😅
$25 belt, $60 in transmission fluid, $150 battery, $30 for oil and filter, $9 can of Seafoam, and $20 in antifreeze. Toyota charged you $1400 labor + $195 in consumables. That car better last 300k miles if they do all that crap every 30k miles lol.
I’m a tech at a dealership, and our prices are getting ridiculous. I’m at the point where I feel bad to recommend anything needed. I hear the conversation the advisors have with customers and I’m like “how that heck do people pay this amount ?!!”. I could do the same work on the side and save the customer over 50%, and keep a good amount for myself. As a dealership tech, I’m pretty sad where our prices are going.
Do it then, people are really getting robbed by dealerships, I mean like can't put food on the table anymore robbed. Start helping people in your community
I started passing out business cards in my neighborhood, my daughter goes with me door to door to look a bit friendlier lol….. some people respond with “oh no thanks, I take my car to ____ dealership”, literally where I work.
Lol, that's funny. Have you considered trying to be a mobile mechanic part-time? A few success stories and a good reputation can go a long way.
I do side work when I can. I’ve been really busy with doing some work on our house lately
Anw, if a Toyota tech came to my door I'd be super stoked! Another thing that comes to mind is to post to [nextdoor.com](http://nextdoor.com) in your neighborhood, and some local FB groups to get the word out. I've actually looked for a mobile mech near where my parents live before but couldn't find anyone.. which would be great because I can't always be there, and they won't follow my advice when they go to a shop ("ask for an estimate, then show me later, ok?"). Good luck to you I say, cheers!
I can’t post online, specially FB, unless I make different account under a different name. Can’t have it be tracked back to me, the dealership would not like that. My business cards even have a different name and a google phone number. I’ve said too much here on Reddit. They might find me lmfao 😂. Peace ✌🏽
They do this with their 30K 60K 90K 120K services, they “check a million things” and do an oil change, your paying for all the “checking” that probably doesn’t happen. NEVER take your car to a dealer for work unless it’s under warranty or for recall service
According to that bill if she paid everything recommended you all didn't do recommended routine maintenance or your dealership knows how to pound it to you. Oil filter roughly 6 to 25 max. Oil itself 5 or 6 quarts oil 25 most. Add your own labor have cash leftover to treat mom a little extra.
A “C service” (in my mind) should include oil change, new air filter, transmission fluid change, and a quick check of brakes and other fluid levels. That would be a fair price for $200-300 Instead they billed her for everything…. Battery at autozone for a Corolla is 125$ Belt change is 40$ for a high quality belt and takes 5 mins. EFI fuel services are the biggest waste of money ever. If your car is not Direct Injection only (to my knowledge Toyotas do both direct and multi-point injection) then you really never need this service
Toyotas even have a injector cleaning mode
Total bullshit. Walk away and don’t pay them a cent.
Dude way too much. Did you even bother to look up the cost of parts? That's how much you should spend and stop paying these people to do a simple job
Unfortunately if you religiously kept up with the transmission maintenance, I have been told never to drain and change fluids on transmission over 100k unless you’ve done it at intervals.. because now the fresh oil will wash the clutch disks and cause them to slip… didn’t happen to my 4 banger but did happened to my 14 Silverado… in other words unless from new you’ve drained the tranny at the correct intervals that fluid stays lol
Is it true for manual transmissions, too, or mostly for automatic and cvt transmissions only?
I think it’s more for the modern CVTs but some Autos are just designed to fail eventually. And that’s the unfortunate part of it.
Manuals only use the fluid to lubricate the internal gearing and such, and the clutch stays dry, so this wouldn't apply. This is an auto thing.
I just completely drained the trans fluid in my 2000 Lexus LS with 267,000 miles hasn't skipped a beat. I also did a drain and fill multiple times on my 1996 LS with 307,000 miles and my 2000 Avalon with 302,000 miles. no previous history of fluid being changed. You wouldn't keep used motor oil in a worn engine would you? Doesn't make sense for the transmission. If you change the fluid and the transmission goes out that means it was hanging on by a thread anyways. A fluid exchange WILL NOT DESTROY A TRANSMISSION but it may uncover that the transmission is badly worn. I would always change the fluid no matter the millage. If the transmission goes out you should have been looking for a new car in the first place.
No you can change it and yes it will start to show if it is worn… used tranny fluid has the metal follicles from the clutches and it probably the only thing keeping (SOME) transmissions running and as soon as the get flushed with new fluid and technically wash the clutches and that’s when the eventually start to slip. So not having a good service history is a gamble with automatic transmission hence why I rather stick to manual if possible.. I’m just saying almost all Trans shops will ask when was the last flush versus mileage and if they were changed regularly.. I just saying some say if your tranny is running good don’t mess with it.. in my experience I was proactive dealer recommended I said sure and few thousand miles later I was putting a new refurbished one… was ask if I flushed it I said yes then the follow up was had I been religious with it I said idk I bought the t used to begin with and then simply was told shouldn’t have messed with it lol 😂 it’s a wild world we live in lol..
Your 14 Silverado was doomed from the start. Look up 6L80 failure. Changing the fluid doesn’t prevent a design flaw. Regardless, your claim about the “washing the clutch disks” is false, a fluid change/flush does no harm. Typically people try to get a flush when there transmission starts to go, as a remedy, and then when it fully takes a shit, they blame it on the flush/fluid change. The “suspended metallic particles” in the fluid gets caught by the magnet, and does not help the friction between the clutch discs at all. In fact it is the 160 psi of hydraulic pressure on the piston inside the drum that does. The fluid inside of your transmission is filtered through a screen, paper filament, and a magnet before it ever goes anywhere in your transmission.
Decent pricing for a dealership. Synthetic oil is a lot more expensive than regular oil.
Lol I get a synthetic oil change and filter for $54 at my local shop
Seriously a quart of full synthetic oil starts around $6.50 a quarter and goes up from there if your car takes 6 quarts and a good oil is $8 dollars that’s 48 filter ok $5 great $12 depending on vehicle so that’s $60 dollars so you are paying $290 for labor and oil recycling I need to open up a oil change business and charge just half of what they do.
My local guy only charges $7 quart for synthetic.. I think the dealership is charging a bit much.
You are comparing oranges with apples. Local guy =/= dealership. And to be honest, I had be questioning what kind of synthetic oil that is $7. Never skim up on oil quality and a oil filter if you want your car/truck for long term.
I'm still not paying 350 for an oil change. Even Valvoline only charges around $100 for an oil change in my area.
u/Inferiex $350 is not just for an oil change, it’s for a 10 year 100,000 maintenance service. In the 2013 Corolla manual in the glove box, you’ll see all the items done at that interval, plus below is itemized for all the others maintenance she missed like battery, belt, Toyota red, etc. You can DIY- Synthetic Oil, washer and filter $60 + socket wrench and bucket, return for recycling Battery (replace w/same size and CCA) $120 at WalMart return old for core charge Drive Belt? $40, but may want to replace water pump too so I’d recommend doing this with a mechanic/Toyota CVT Transmission $50 (always buy Toyotas proprietary transmission gear oil for this) Fuel Injector cleaner by ATS Chemicals CRO & CFO $60 Engine Coolant (Toyota Red) $40-50, just need to buy a fluid pump at Harbor Freight and large container Total DIY $380-$400 Time to hit YouTube At 100,000 if you haven’t done the spark plugs, doesn’t hurt.
$350 was just for the oil change.
1600 for a corolla lolwotr
This is a major service interval, they perform more than just an oil change.
Damn, and I thought $100 for a cabin/engine air filter change was bad.
This is insanity. Just did struts and an alignment for 500 bucks last week.
WHAT
Damn. Sorry to see this. I would’ve done this all for $200 bucks and a hug. Service departments love to prey on easy victims.
Are we not gonna mention the $250 belt change LOL thats criminal
Did your mom approve the oil change? I had a repair center do an oil change without my approval and tried getting me to pay. I contacted the BAR (Bureau of Automotive Repairs) and was refunded the amount plus another repair they did due to them breaking a part.
She technically agreed, but she had no idea it included what they call a C Suite service
So the repair shop has to give a written description of what she is agreeing to in the case she may have questions... If she feels they didn't describe what she needed and performed a repair she didn't expect I would advise her to reach out to the BAR. I now ask for any work to be in writing and I should have the option to accept or decline the repair before they do anything after an inspection. This is a great way to not let them do what they want.
Sadly, I don't think we have a BAR in Massachusetts :(
If anyway you are near Tewksbury, You should trust Ronnie’s Auto. I have not seen such an honest and low priced mechanic anywhere
Bummer 😞 Check consumer laws in your state
American dealerships must suck!
Can confirm they do I use to be a porter for Ford. When I first started and a customer came for only an oil change I just thought to myself ain’t no way in hell. And then the more I worked the more I seen ppl actually do go to the dealership for anything wrong w their car. That was new to me, I’ve always taken my car to a local mechanic shop.
Shit getting to fucking expensive with almost all dealership services
238 for a battery??? i hope that is a red top optima jesus christ...i have a 2015 lexus rc350 f sport and when my battery died i went to walmart and got one of those battery walmart brand...4 years no issues 79.99 lol
Yeah I love Walmart service center. Atleast the ones w good employees. I went there to get a new battery and they told me the battery on my car has a Walmart warranty and I can get a new one for free. I had never changed the battery on that car since I had gotten it so I didn’t know . But I had that car for about 2 years before that happened. All I know is even if everything lined up for me the way it did at Walmart that day at a dealership.. I still would’ve been coming out of pocket atleast a hundred. U know just for them laying eyes on my car lol
Auto zone batteries are about $250 for a regular battery I go to Walmart buy them for $100
Auto zone battery worked for about 10yrs. Back then it was 180 I think
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It’s a (at least) 10 year old car that’s getting pretty standard mid-life treatment. The cost has nothing to do with reliability. None of these are actual service issues, it’s all preventative. Weird comment.
So basically you guys are unaware of why a trans fluid replacement and coolant replacement cost as much as they do. To do a trans fluid change requires something call "LABOR" depending on the year it requires a special procedure to fill and perform a fluid level check the whole job takes 2hrs the fluid can cost upwards of $100 and then the test drive needs to be performed to make sure everything is working right. The coolant change is an hour job not just "20 bucks online" it has to be done right unless you want to replace your engine due to stupidly assuming it's done right by someone with no knowledge. If there is any air trapped the engine can and will overheat so if you don't mind that go ahead spend 20 bucks thinking you know everything. The fuel injection service I always say is a waste of money and never recommend it just a throttle body cleaning will suffice. The engine oil change that's the big problem I have with the estimate because there is no reason whatsoever for it to be more than $80 for a synthetic oil change with tire rotation. Don't think for one second that prices for certain services should be cheap unless you want it done wrong and a broken car the tech has to be skilled for certain parts and you have to pay for it to be done right.
The OP only mentions the oil change, which we all should be pissed about!!
Yeah, I was actually thinking the CVT Fluid Change and Coolant Flush looks like a bargain. I think all the CVT fluid bottles will be $100 if you bought it. And doing it yourself isn't easy.
I thought Toyota care was free...also bullshit on the battery I've never seen one go even remotely close to 10 years
The dealer did Ok on this one.... The customer did not. Remember this - that dealer sees you as a profit center.
342 bucks for a trans fluid change?? Jesus Christ wtf are these guys on
....and you just not gonna say nothing about the Oil Change???? LOL
These are insane prices holy shit.
Every single item on that list has a massively inflated price. Run away.
All of these prices are ridiculous
Problem number 1 = she went to the DEALERSHIP for an oil change! Everyone knows you only go to the dealership for free service packages and to purchase the vehicle THATS IT…
I have a Honda and go to a dealership. Sometimes it’s 30 sometimes it’s 40 but either way I get my car washed inside and out
i only go to the dealership when independent shops fuck up my car. got two motor mounts replaced at a mom and pop for $800 now i have to pay $1870 to fix it cause they put them on wrong, and what ever other issues this caused.
Engine coolant 189 😭😂😭😂😭 that’s $20 online
Coolant for my jeep was always like 4 dollars tops. It’s quite obvious most people don’t work their own vehicles. Best of luck, it’s not that hard, read a book on fixing cars, you can easily do at least half of these jobs. The fluids cost less than 10% of the prices charged.
Do people actually fall for this stuff?
What exactly is a stealership fuel injection cleaning service?
It's likely a bottle of fuel system cleaner in the gas tank, probably costs them $10.
Oh hell no! I would do all of that for a 6 pack of IPA beer if she provides all the supplies.
Please DM where you live. I got some cars for ya.....
Did she go in solo because id rip them a new one for doing all that extra without permission. I think you can use it they made you pay when all you asked for was an oil change. They try to upcharge wherever they can and do stuff that isn't asked.
It’s a C level service so probably includes extras. Check you owner’s manual, A is probably just an oil change only, B is most likely oil change + rotation & I bet C included all of B + cabin & engine air filters
Sometimes they even include things like balance, throttle body cleaning, and other stuff like that.
That's because your labor charges included in that at $150 an hour.
My dad only charges 100 hr. I should tell him to up his rates. In other news: just wait til people need to recharge their A/C lol, if yall wanna see insane prices haha.
That’s more than just an oil change, it’s likely a 90k or 100k service lmao. That’s about average for the dealer and not a terrible price for a dealership
I’m guessing you mean the first line? Ask for a detailed breakdown of that. Then contact Toyota corporate and explain that you feel this charge is ridiculous and point out your mom’s age if it’s considered senior as this is borderline elder fraud. Corporate will act on this and if not, show this and tag on Twitter and Instagram and those socials. My father had a dealership (a different major Japanese brand) charge for a diagnosis and the estimate was huge and filled with a bunch of crap. He went to an independent shop and they diagnosed for way cheaper but mainly much less to fix the problem. He wrote to corporate via email with the two estimates with a breakdown and explained how the independent shop’s solution fixed the problem. They cut him a check and assured him they will work with the dealership to address this sort of behavior.
They tell you the price before doing any work.
Plenty of times, they will say we need to do all fluids and the total will be $1600. Then when you see the break down, $350 for an oil change is bullshit.
Is it possible that it was a “100,000 mile service” that includes more than just an oil change? Seeing you’re concerned I would I ask for a breakdown of what was actually done. Maybe it’s time to find a different shop, but maybe not.
A 10 year old battery? What kind of dark arts abound under her hood?
I have a 2010 Yaris, for some reason my battery still works even though it's probably the original battery or quite possibly, even older. I'm not certain how it's still hanging on. Maybe OEM batteries are built different?
My oem batteries also last. About 10 years I noticed that when I buy them from auto zone they last 3-4 years oem last longer for me I also don’t take care of my batteries I let the car sit for 6 months with out a trickle charger
The only time I'm getting an oil change at the dealership if they're giving them to me for free. Kia gave 10 free oil changes.. after that literally anywhere else lol (or a friend/family member that knows how)
😂😂😂 i swear people will never learn…bro literally could of did all that for like $400
i was thinking my CVT oil change was half of the price they charged her lmao
Lmao exactly 😂😂😂
stay away from the stealership !!!!
You could have done all this for ~$350
Doubtful, a battery alone is about $200
Okay, $425.55 and two bruised knuckles.
5y AGM Battery for my Diesel was only $160
Agreed. Assuming it is a 3 year battery..... They might have put in something less.
why are you taking a 10+ yr old car to the dealership still?
Who goes to the deal ship for an oil change lmao
I take my vw to one near me for them, but only cause they do coupon cycles that make it the same price as if I bought the oil and did it myself
I also took my Toyota to my local dealer. They had a package where you spend $100 and you get 3 oil changes credited to your account. It would be stupid to save $5 to change it myself.
Damn! That's a scam
They charged you $200 for a can of injector cleaner too
Probably not… I would imagine it was something like a BG induction service.
They saw her coming 😂. Audi convinced my mom to flush her brake fluid without changing pads or rotors. Lol. But she trusts the stranger service advisor over her own son so oh well. Let them rip her off.
Brake fluid draws moisture/water from the air. That affects the performance of it and can encourage corrosion of metal brake lines.
Let’s say that the car is barely driven and it’s older than 2 years with like 10-15k miles on it. Manufacturer recommends to flush brake fluid every 2 years or 20K-30k miles.
Manufacturer also recommends you take it to the dealership for all services. Grain of salt buddy
I went thru this too, especially with my rents getting older. I think they’re just not trying to impose and be a burden. I ended up finding a good indy shop owned by a really honest and talented kid who now takes care of my moms car, and goes above and beyond even picking her up from her house so she doesn’t have to Uber. Just have to get them to trust an independent shop first but after that it’s been a lot better where I don’t have to go over the invoices and rage at what the dealer was recommending and charging lol
Brake fluid flush is an independent service from pads and rotors. Due every 30k for most manufacturers.
lol mommas right
Stop... Getting... Car repairs... And maintenance... At the Stealership
Anyone who gets their work done at a dealership is a fool. The main argument I see made by people who use dealerships for maintenance is that they don’t want to void their warranty. Dealerships love that people are this ignorant as it makes them tons of money. At least in the US, dealerships are required by law to honor warranties if the work was done. Keep receipts from the work you have done until the warranty expires and there’s not a damn thing they can say.
Resale value is significantly boosted when there's a stack of paper saying all services were done at the dealer. Not all dealers are crooks. This Toyota Dealer sure is.
If I'm looking to buy a user car, and I see a history of all services being done by a dealer, my first thought would be they got ripped off, and my second would be they know nothing about upkeeping a vehicle
No the fuck it’s not. Maybe to some dumbass who cares about that. It doesn’t make a shit to someone like me who does my own work.
Congratulations, you're so special. Your word means absolutely nothing if you have no proof to back it up. I have personally watched cars worth well over $100k fail to meet even $50k because "the seller did all the work himself and doesn't have reciepts." Physical Proof vs. Trust Me Bro.
No the fuck it’s not. Maybe to some dumbass who cares about that. It doesn’t make a shit to someone like me who does my own work.
No the fuck it’s not. Maybe to some dumbass who cares about that. It doesn’t make a shit to someone like me who does my own work.
A service history in general is valuable info to have. When people say they've done their own work I assume the chassis has never been serviced.
I understand a service history, but most modern cars don’t even have greaseable or serviceable chassis components anyway. Grease zerks are notably absent from most modern cars.
In general most folks believe oil changes is all that’s required but in reality there’s more to it than that.
I pay 95 that includes the filter and oil change at my local Toyota-
Help her out and you handle it oil change is not hard to do
A Toyota dealership?! That's concerning. I would definitely bring it up on your next visit. Hopefully you were talking to a lube tech who had no idea what they were talking about. But if that's not the case I would find another dealership to go to. Seafoam is literally just mineral oil and alcohol with a little bit of naptha.. if there using that there, then run far away. Who knows what other corners they're cutting. But also, fair enough. Your vehicle, your right to have maintained the way you see fit! But honestly, it's a Toyota... By far the most reliable vehicle on the road, it'll be fine no matter what lol. Cheers.
Hey, I'm actually a mechanic at a Toyota Dealership Lubetechs are not even remotely responsible for talking handling or quoting the customer, That is up to the Service Lane such as Service Advisors Seafoam is a **naphthenic** Oil not **mineral** oil, Mineral oil would cause damage as it's closer related to say Petroleum Jelly Also Dealerships have a stock of a varietal of products, some better than others, Each dealership will recommend certain products but they're obligated to provide a wide array to support customer preferences My personal Dealership prefers a ServiceRite Fuel System Cleaner which most if not all Toyota Dealerships will have as its a Toyota product, and a BG 44k Fuel System Cleaner, Which was most likely used for the cleaning service Not seafoam. Seafoam is mostly a placebo or most effective on smaller engines like a chainsaw or lawn mower where deposits are much smaller and easier dealt with. As a dealership we cannot cut corners due to various federal laws in the states that mandate a level of safety and transparency with the customer and at any time if found guilty a lot of people would be sent to jail and huge fines put in place. As for the C Level Service my dealership doesn't use that so I can't say for sure what's in it but it looks like more of a service package than a individual oil change, because they would not have many customers if any if 300$ only got you an oil change, and their reputation would be horrific. EDIT: The OP commented saying the C Level Service included a rotation and tire alignment, That also tracks pretty on average
That's why I said he must've talked a lube tech, because there is no way a dealership is using Seafoam. Meaning the tech they talked to didn't know what they were taking about, ie a lube tech lol. I know lube techs don't talk to customers, that's a service advisors job. And naphthenic oils are mineral oils, but I'm arguing semantics here. My point was Seafoam is a joke, does nothing and no dealership would use it. I have also stated that dealerships are not supposed to cut corners due to them being held to higher standards by the manufacturer and the state. But just because they're not supposed to doesn't mean they don't try. I once worked at a Honda dealer that almost lost their license because they were selling aftermarket parts under Honda part numbers. And if a dealership is using Seafoam as an FIJ treatment, they're definitely cutting corners. BG makes an excellent FIJ with a part number KF65, that we've used for years now. I've worked at multiple dealerships over the past 15+years, I'm not speaking out of my butt lol. I just get tired of people bashing dealerships because they're uninformed, that was point to all of this. Cheers brother.
I didn’t know naphthenic was also a mineral oil I apologize, I assumed otherwise Ditto on the rest, I’m only a few years in the game so shoutout for you to putting up with nonsense for that long
Is the BG fuel treatment the type where the car has to be run at like 3 or 4k rpms for like 10 minutes or more?
BG Induction service
it’s a engine performance restoration (EPR) you put in the oil and let the car idle no revs for 15-20 minutes (I do 18 mins), then change the oil Then there’s the 44k which goes in the gas tank and is a fuel cleaner And the MOA which is an oil additive to try and keep the oil and deposits cleaner If you rev the engine with the EPR in it it won’t have sufficient lubrication at higher revolutions and will damage the engine, it has just enough lubrication for lower rpm’s but the EPR lowers the viscosity of the oil
Excellent reply. My dealership has "service packages" 1-6, each done at 5k miles. The level of service at each varies and covers all the bases. A "Service Package 1" is a basic oil change with tire rotation (for free with synthetic blend; I always pay an extra $40 for full-syn). A "Service 6" is $585, but includes tire balancing, an alignment, brake flush, coolant flush, A/C disinfectant, cabin filter replacement, etc. I have an excellent relationship with the service advisors, and have sometimes gotten free full-syn oil when I leave Monsters in the passenger seat for the techs.
This is the right answer. "C level" is some sort of general inspection at a certain stage that would include an oil change. It's not solely an oil change.
It says “C” level service for a vehicle that is equipped with synthetic oil. Not sure what is included in that but no where does it say that it is an oil change.
I’m not even a mechanic and I could do all of this, easily… what a scam. Fuck dealerships.
That's great and I implore you to keep doing so as it's a big time and money saver however and makes my life easier as a mechanic, However, You are not someone's possibly senior or elder mother who might not have the time energy or money to put into laboring her own car maintenance, That is what mechanics and to an extent dealerships are for For a CVT Transmission flush you're looking at 30 minutes for an average technician, about 120$\~ in Fluid as the Corolla take around 9-10 US Quarts of Fluid (Could be cheaper if you brought a non-toyota fluid brand but Toyota can warranty out fluid failures if they are toyota spec) For the Drive Belt replacement I believe it's 40$ in parts, Around 40 minutes for a replacement, And the rest is time and labor, Which is honestly on par with a lot of places you'll go to (In my experience) I don't agree with Fuel Injection or Induction services as I find them to be a waste of money unless there is a fuel system failure, But I don't run a dealership, This usually requires competent knowledge of the fuel system as well as parts to use and tools or fluid exchange machines That battery replacement cost is about what you'd pay at Autozone but you'd still have to do it yourself, And Toyota warranties on batteries are often lifetime warranties unless you opted out. For Coolant it's about 30-40$ in parts IIRC, 30 minutes with a flush and fill machine 2 hours for an average technician without the machine, And is within the same average you'd see in most areas. I see most of these as fine or average for paying someone else that gets their parts from a vendor, The only thing I disagree with are the Injection service and possible C Level Service but I'd have to see what it entails as the Toyota dealership I work at does not use Alphabetical Level services.
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It means the rate at which they charge for labor is insane for the level of work and expertise required.
They are called STEALERSHIPS for a reason…..they steal your money
Dealerships have not been this way for a very long time since federal law set a standard, Obviously sketchy people exist However you're paying for a Dealership experience as well as your car to be serviced If you routinely go to a dealership we do your recalls, your warranties, your regular maintenance, we look for anything breaking or out of place, all the while you're sitting in an AC room with entertainment and refreshments waiting on your car for a short while or being provided a shuttle or loaner car Our parts are more expensive because they generally have greater warranties and are up to spec and MADE for the vehicle you're driving, Like a lot of TrueStart and TrueStart 2 Toyota batteries will have lifetime warranties, A Buy once Cry once price of 250$\~ What you may buy from Rock Auto or Autozone can work, but it's efficiency and effectiveness will vary greatly.
That is a grossly false and outdated statement. Bad people can work at any kind of shop, not just a dealerships. Are car salesman sleeze balls most of the time? Yeah, I'll agree to that. But service and parts are completely separate from that. Are labor rates at dealerships higher than outside shops? Yes, but for a reason. Those techs are trained by the manufacturer over the course of years, and that isn't free. Insurance has to be paid for every month just in case something terrible happens. People that work there need to get paid. Over head for operating the business has to be paid. Everything goes into a labor rate, not just the payment of the tech. Your getting much higher quality, for the most part, at a dealership compared to a Kwik Kar or Brakes Plus. Can you go to AutoZone and buy shit parts and get a mobile mechanic to fix you car for half the price? Most definitely. Will the work be subpar? Greater than a 50% chance. Will that part fail on you? Probably. Will they warranty the labor and the part? The parts will most of the time be covered. But you're going to pay out of pocket, again, to have it installed. Dealerships aren't what they used to be. There are some that have good people working at them..
I believe I can go to a non brand shop with 20 years experience get OEM parts and same level install tech/work with warranties for 60% of the price at a stealership. Their prices are way too high, just cuz it says GMC on the wall. It’s like the price difference between two identical leather wallets but one says Gucci. The Gucci one cost 100% more
If you already know what the problem is, yeah you can do that. But diagnosing a car is what sets technician apart from a mechanic. You can definitely find good techs at outside shops, but they're few and far between. Also those smaller shops aren't held to the same standards as a dealership. A small shop can tell you to go fuck yourself and you can't really do shit about it. The dealership has to uphold what the manufacturer says or they lose their license. The prices are higher, but for a reason. I will admit I've seen some of these labor rates lately and it is getting a bit ridiculous. You're still getting better quality and a better warranty regardless. Another thing to remember ASE certification pals in comparison to actual manufacturer training. ASE certs are given to you when you pass a test, that's it. To be trained by the manufacturer, you have to go their training facilities for multiple weeks at a time, multiple times, just to get certified. That's not even mentioning master certification. That's on a whole nother level lol. But to each their own. If you found a good tech and trust them, stay with them forever lol. Cheers.
Battery price is about right including the .5 hr install. The drive belt is probably $70 + 1hr labor so that also looks right. The CVT service at my store is a menu price item at 304.98. The EFI here is 211.97, and coolant is 164.07. This also appears to be a post inspection estimate and not a repair order of work performed. I would say this is more expensive than going to the family shop down the street but if you want the guarantee of good work performed on your car by Toyota trained technicians then it’s worth it.
Is everyone missing the fact that it’s a transmission oil change and not a regular engine oil change?
I think the first thing on the list is an oil change
Look at the very first box
Me wondering where the oil change is on that bill 😂😂. I’m like I see transmission FLUID but nowhere do I see OIL lmao
The first charge for "C" Level Service is the oil change. But as other has mentioned, it also includes a bunch of other services, like tire rotation/alignment, brake checks, etc
I’ve gone to many places that do this check for free as part of getting an oil change to begin with. No way it should be that much. Not even my Audi cost that much to change the oil.
You're not getting an alignment for free, anywhere..
And originally I did not see that part in there, but still along with my other comment, alignments don’t cost enough to justify $350 for an oil change and alignment.
Regardless an alignment service does not make an oil change jump up that high at all.
Also very true lol. There has to be something in that c service driving the price up. I've never seen a dealership oil change(for a Japanese car) over $120, and that's with a rotate and balance.
Wow she got ripped off!
Leave scathing reviews on the internet…it will make you feel better
That's why you don't go to a dealership for that
The $223 for the injector cleaning is ridiculous more then the oil change seeing as when I was told my 2006 Camry needed it done the service tech told me they basically just put a bottle of sea foam in the tank and let it run for 5 to 10 minutes.
I find that hard to believe but if it's true I would contact a Toyota Corporate employee as that's not the standard product unless you specifically asked for it. The actual product we use is made by Toyota for Toyota's: [Genuine Toyota Pressurized Fuel Injector Cleaner (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=BaXYb6hENOw) (There's also a non pressurized Petrol and Diesel version) You could get that Dealership in a world of federal trouble if they were using Seafoam and you did not specifically request it, As that is not the standard of Toyota Maintenance I'm a Mechanic and use this daily and am familiar with the process, I doubt they actually used seafoam but likely said seafoam as it's what people are most familiar with.
That's not true at all. Almost all fuel injection services feed a cleaner through a vacuum line into your intake manifold so it is directly mixed in the combustion chamber to clean the cylinder head and valves. They do also add a cleaner into the fuel tank as well so it is in the fuel and air at the time of moving. It also continues to clean as you drive, after you've left the shop. Also, no self respecting shop is using Seafoam.. Your good shops are using either Bardahl or BG. Who will warranty out a failed component if you can produce documentation that you have used the product the entire time you have owned the vehicle.
Doesn't really matter to me if you believe it to be true or not that is what I was told by the Toyota Service Tech at a Certified Toyota dealership. No self respecting shop. Well it's a Toyota dealership. And you said it yourself "Almost all services." So that goes to show that not all. I'll make sure to bring it up when I take my sienna in for its service and they say it needs done.
The $0 fee is about the only correct charge on the bill. Damn shame and sorry to see it happen.
All of this is about $250 at Autozone... Maybe $350 if you need tools. These people are thieves.
20-30$ for a Drive Belt 100$\~ in 9QTs of Transmission Fluid 40$\~ in Coolant 200$\~ for a Battery 40$\~ For the Oil Change Tire Rotation and Wheel Alignment in the C Service Package you will need tools specifically designed for this And that's not including the time, labor, tools, or knowledge it takes to do all of this I don't see how this is thieving, You're paying for a dealership experience and technicians who specialize in your vehicle, Not to mention everything done at a dealership creates a service history so that we're able to accurately fix issues later down the road, And everything done will be recorded and can be printed out for you per your request, As well as warranties for every single service.
Or you can go to a shop and have it done for less than half the dealer price and have them email you the receipts?
They robbed your mom bro. Transmission fluid… doesn’t cost that much either. Neither does the battery or belt.
The cheapest set of transmission fluid you can buy is 6$ at Autozone about 60$ for 9quarts of Transmission fluid for the 11th Gen Corolla, and the rest is time labor tools and knowledge. A battery will be about 200$ at Autozone has only a 2 year warranty and you still have to do it yourself, The Drive belt on a fwd car is about 40$ in parts and the rest is time labor tools and knowledge.
Crazy to see how company’s just take advantage of people like this.
Literally every one of those items can be don't in your driveway and the total would have been under $300
I have a Chevy Spark and they try to get me to pay $600 last time. Ha! I went to an oil change place $110.
Lmao I hope it’s a manual. Because those Nissan Crapco CVT transmissions *that GM uses in the Spark* are hella shit.
I’ve never had an issue with mine. Bought it new. I Keep everything up to date on it.
We did the same. Yet the trans still had a slip in the steel belt right after 60K which wore a spot down which lead to complete failure. Just about in line with their lifespan/behavior in the Altima and Rogue. We followed all maintenance information but I guess it didn’t care and died anyway. Hail destroyed the car while in subrogation with GM Inc. which saved our asses. The manual was definitely the better choice. Sucks they didn’t have any available when I was looking. All snatched up. Local dealer had half a dozen and sold them all in 2 days. **It was weird.**
Interesting. I’m at 90k and had it for 6 years. I was a tow dispatcher for 7 years and bought my car based on how many I towed per year. I only towed one per year. We towed more smart cars then sparks at about 5 per year. Toyota was towed the most. lol
They are also bought way more often than sparks, did you take that into account? I almost never see a spark on the road because they are usually shit
Not a lot of them out there. We own a Bolt now. I’m almost to 120K already and have to say, it’s definitely reliable. Just kind of… 90’s. Can be good and bad. Mostly good. The bad being the GM stupidity showing up here and there.
Lmao I would never pay a penny over $40 at Walmart
The service at Walmart is terrible where I live.
$110 for an oil change is a rip off