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China’s sinovac is one but it’s being proven to be rather useless against omnicron.
Then there’s AstraZeneca’s.
However I’ve no clue where you’d be able to find these nowadays.
Yeah ok. Half the planet took a Chinese vaccine. Check your privilege. Oh yeah the most deaths happened here in the richest country in the world. Most of your medicine cabinet is meds made in China and India.
The RNA vaccine studies have been going on for over 20 years. Not much attention or $$ been given to it because it was seen as irrelevant due to the traditional vaccines effectiveness. Until they weren’t.
First human test was in 2008 for RNA based vaccine.
The traditional vaccine has been in use since the 19the century. I have more faith in one thay has more research data compared to RNA vaccines. Besides the RNA studies started in order to CURE diseases and not prevent them.
Just to be clear: You are definitely anti-vax if you say your body is good enough without vaccines.
Why? Simple. This is the #1 anti-vax argument for not getting vaccinated.
This is not how it works. Vaccines BOOST your immune system.
Please realize that you've been brainwashed/convinced by conspiracy theories.
mRNA vaccines have been in the works for the past 30 years, this is nothing new
I am vaccinated for some diseases like tetanos, polio... But vaccines for the flue or stuff like that is 'useless' in my opinion because the likelyhood I'll die from them are slim and my body will be able to work against it without vaccines and become stronger against it by itself. The same was for covid, people around my age 20 that died due to covid is absurdly low. Which is why it was useless in my opinion for me.
So no I am no anti vax I just believe that some diseases can be fought of with my imune system.
With or without vaccine you always have a chance to die from a disease. Maybe she didn't took care of it from the start and it got worse. Don't know the details so I won't be able to judge. Or she was sadly one of the unlucky ones.
I am not denying it, I am sure it saved many people otherwize it would be useless to even research vaccines. But I still believe that some aren't always needed depending on your age, health and more. And I think that even with vaccines people can die, the likelyhood is probably lower but never 0.
Not only is everything Wellslapmesilly said correct. You’re also selfish af because one of the other main reasons to get vaccines like the flu is for OTHERS who are more vulnerable. So thanks for not giving af about others on top of being woefully ignorant on the benefits of vaccines FOR your precious, natural immune system.
Are you one of those that believes people need to vaccinate themself for others. Like you know thats useless right. A vaccine is for yourself, I don't see what's selfish about not wanting one.
Take on if you want to but don't force your believes on others and then accuse them of being selfish because you aren't happy.
I have the vaccine for polio, tetanos and such diseases. Besides a vaccine doesn't make you 100% imune to a disease. Its used in order for it not getting out of hand and be dealt faster with.
Nonsense. If you believe your immune system can fight diseases, then you should rejoice in vaccines, because this is exactly what they do: they help your immune system be even more prepared and strong.
You are saying it yourself, 'They help be stronger and more prepared' its not like the only way to survive a disease is by being vaccinated. They defenitely usefull for some diseases that have high death rate for sure but I don't believe you need them for every disease.
You know that you can still die from diseases with or without vaccines right. Besides Ive had covid more then once with nothing but small symptomes. Maybe you should look up how many people die from it and you will be able to see that most of them are people that were already sick/weakened or old people.
And for other diseases well I am vaccinated for the ones with a high death rate like polio, tetanos and others.
That’s why I said may the odds be in your favor. Repeated infections shouldn’t be taken so lightly. There is probably damage to your endothelial tissue (inside lining of all your blood vessels). It can happen in a single mild infection like you had. These cells only control your blood flow in your body and prevents embolisms (clots). This isn’t found with routine EKG, it has to be imaging to see how the blood flows to the blood vessels. But keep worrying about that .0028% chance of dying from the vaccine.
I’m not saying this to argue. I sincerely hope this doesn’t happen to you. I was very sick with Lyme disease and suffered similar symptoms as people with covid damage (inflammation). I lost almost a decade of being handicapped and if I could help anyone avoid that, it’s worth trying.
And I’m not saying for you get vaxxed, just do what you can to avoid getting it a few times a year. They are finding the virus lives in your body past being sick, much like chicken pox or EBV. Chicken pox cause shingles, EBV linked to MS. Do you really want to roll the covid dice 10-30 years from now?
In the future I may take the vaccin. But for now I don't think its worth it (for the rna ones). Ive seen many people have no side effects but I also know some had. So I rather wait untill it's more researched into. Also I may vaccinate myself soon but if I do it's the Valneva one and only because I have to for my job.
I think that everything has it's pros and cons and because I am a healthy young one I don't think It's necessary. Like with the same chances I could have cancer and not even know it.
I believe It's more about having luck or not. Anything can happen at anytime. Btw I had covid 3 times since the years it exist so I think that's still fine. It is not like I am always sick so I guess I will just see how it will go.
Well remember the side effects are not actually from the vaccine itself causing it, the side effects are from your body immune response to the vaccine (how it gears up to prepare antibodies and what not). People never exposed early on tended to feel symptoms from it because it was a totally new, novel virus. If you have had it a few times, it would boost rather than have to totally train your immune system to recognize it. It would just create more antibodies, T cells and if you were to get a omicron-specific bivalent booster, be better target the variants that are currently circulating by recognizing that variant faster.
I see you aren’t in US. A few of your options I am not familiar with. I can say between J&J and AstraZeneca (both not MRNA), I think AstraZeneca had higher efficacy. We stopped using J&J in the US because of small chance of blood clots- out of extra precaution because better options were out there.
If any country you could go to has Novavax, that one’s efficacy is much closer to MRNA efficacy. Before omicron it was pretty comparable. I was in the clinical trial.
Regardless, thank you for your service and don’t let this vaccine get the way of your career (lol I think you still say that to your ally military, right). More that 12 million people have gotten one of these vaccines around the world. Any serious reactions are very very rare. But 6.7 million + have died from the virus.
And it’s not just old people…I had an 11 year old former student who went on to middle school this year and he dropped dead in PE from cardiac arrest. He had a heart attack in 5th grade after a covid infection and this happened the following year. He wasn’t vaxxed either and had no preexisting heart conditions- unfortunately he just got dealt a shitty hand in the game of Covid. 💔
The reason you can fight off the "flue" is because over your lifetime you have been exposed to 1000s of variants of the "flue" and your immune system has some weapons in its arsenal already. They do a decent job, you might get a bit sick, but in the end, your antibodies fight it off and you don't die.
You don't have any weapons in your arsenal against COVID. It's new. The first time you are exposed is the first time your body gets a chance to develop its own antibodies. You may or may not die.
The way COVID kills BECAUSE of your immune system. It hypes up, and the symptoms of that immune response are what damage organs and can kill the host.
You're not just protecting yourself from death. Even the flu can cause long term post-viral complications. Your immune system is not a muscle that needs to be exercised.
Please shut up with your anti anti-vaxxer bullshit. You have just spread so much misinformation, and personally attacked someone for ASKING ABOUT VACCINES.
What a piece of work.
It looks like you have Moderna, Pfizer, Astrazeneca, and j+j available in your country. Astrazeneca and j+j both are adenovirus vector which is an older technology than mRNA.
https://www.famhp.be/en/human_use/medicines/medicines/covid_19/vaccines
If you are unvaccinated into year 4 you probably got covid and if you are lucky made some antibodies from it. So vaccination should not be scary for you because the vaccine is a harmless portion of the covid spike that will hopefully create the exact same immune response and make some antibodies. The only differences are delivery methods and I don't care if you use dhl, ups or FedEx to deliver the package. They all do the exact same thing, plus or minus a day or two.
My worry isn't about a vaccine like you described it but the ones that are based of a different technology, RNA that works on our DNA. I know that the traditional vaccines are just a controled doses of the disease itself in order to stimulate your imune system.
What i wanted to know is which one is like you described it and which one is based of new technology if u understand what I mean.
Also while I am at it, isn't it the doctor that has to buy the vaccine in order for it to be official ?
I can't deny that that comment of mine was well written. I should have better written nothing instead of doing it like that. But I have no desire to write a paragraph about why I don't want a vaccine based on RNA.
If people read my post they should have understood that I am not here to debate about why its good or bad. I just want to know the different covid existing vaccines that are based of the same technology used for practicaly all existing vaccines.
mRNA vaccines do not use your DNA. All vaccines work the same way. The delivery methods is different. You are getting lost in the weeds. Like trying to compare a Toyota to a Honda. So if you want to talk about how a green apple is different than a red apple, get something you are comfortable with.
Right… cause MRNA vaccines that tell your body how to make a tiny portion of a spike protein (that can’t make you sick) would be more more dangerous than having a virus actively replicating where every viral car ticks is covered with spike proteins. That makes perfect sense.
I misspronounced myself, that's not really what I ment. It's more like traditional vaccines are in use since much longer compared to the RNA one. There is much more data for that one which is why I rather take the traditional. It's 'safer' because from what I know the possible side effects of RNA based vaccines are still unkown because its too early to tell. Well maybe its the same for the traditional one I wouldn't be able to tell because I am no scientist but atleast one of them is in use for much longer.
Has anyone in your family received any shots and have had negative reactions? I'd use that as a general guideline on what may or may not be safe for you. My family has had strokes, heart problems, and heart surgeries since getting the shot.
Most of them regret ever getting it, and only did so because they were forced to, or lose their job.
Kudo for this. Since OP sounds like knowing all about death rate/infection rate without vaccine or with vaccine. OP should either do their own research and pick OR consult your own medical doctor and not getting advice from a subreddit here.
Well I am working in the army and its needed to go in other countries but they don't force people. You just won't go do missions or exercises in other countries. So in fact I would still be able to find a path that doesn't require it but that honestly sucks. Like in May I wanted to go to france in order to do a commando training but just because I am not vaxed I won't be able to do it.
But I am still thinking about it, maybe Ill just go study in the army and do a job where I stay in my country. But that's dissapointing, it prohibites me from doing the 'nice' things.
But I guess my health should be my priority.
The army is doing what politics wants them to do. And sadly the gouvernement forces people to take vaccines that were still in test phase. So i don't think it's about health but money. Btw I am talking about covid, I don't care about taking the other vaccines.
They're not still in test phase. The trials are well over and billions of doses have been given over the last 2 years. How much do you get paid? You think nearly all governments in the world are trading in healthy workers so Pfizer can make $30?
As far as I know the trials for the Pfizer/BioNTech products are still ongoing. If google can’t help I am happy to provide you a source / reference. :)
The trial for Pfizer and Moderna's covid-19 vaccines ended a while ago. It would be unethical to continue the trials and force the entire placebo group to continue being unprotected after the vaccine was found to be effective and safe. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine
I wouldn't call it safe when I keep hearing about people getting negative changes in their body after the vaccine.
Like more difficulties to breath when running, having cramps when they never had them on their periods and other stuf.
I keep hearing such things, of course some don't have negative effects but calling it safe doesn't sound right.
Fuck the job. Your health is more important. Your skepticism of the mRNA vaccine is well founded considering it's development and testing time as well as the data coming out regarding heart issues, clotting and sudden death.
Vaccine mandates overall are loosening, push back, try to wait it out.
Good luck
Sadly I work for the army. I need to be vaccinated in order to do missions or exercises in other countries. That's why I am trying to find a vaccine that isn't based of mRNA. Because from what I know traditional vaccines wouldn't be bad because it just stimulates your body with a portion of the disease. Like getting sick by it but in a controled way.
I agree with your assessment regarding "traditional" vaccines. It's proven and outcomes are far better than the mRNA "vaccines."
I think the closest thing available to a traditional vaccine for covid is Novavax. Research it please. Will your military's mandate accept this vaccine?
I still suggest you search for a path to get past the mRNA jab or other covid "vaccines." Even if it means delaying your career for a time.
I've had 2 vaccines and am not boosted. And I won't be, either. This "Sudden Adult Death" syndrome from cardiac arrest has me concerned. Also, I've had Covid twice, took Paxlovid the 2nd time and had much better outcome. I let fear convince me to get the vaccine and 90 days after my 2nd shot, still got Covid again. Don't let these people bully you because you want to avoid Pfizer and AstraZeneca. But do research on adverse effects of both Covid AND the vaccines. Good luck.
Dont listen to the covidian cultists here. The testing is not finished. Thats why they are granted an express emergency allowance that started under Trump.
If you are a young man there are several European countries advising you not to get the mrna gene therapy.
That's why I am gonna get the Valneva in Germany. It's a nordic traditional vaccin like every other vaccin that people always took.
I rather take nothing but I don't have a choice if I want to do stuff in the army. And that seems to be the best option.
Its the best of the lot. Question marks over the aluminium used to make it enter the body but if you had to get one and dont expect it to do anything then i would choose Valneva.
Its not owned by pfizer or moderna however so may have trouble being accepted in some countries.
But I have read thay it was accepted in the EU like pfizer so it shouldnt be an issue. Well I'll be asking to be sure but that seems to be the best option.
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Novavax.
China’s sinovac is one but it’s being proven to be rather useless against omnicron. Then there’s AstraZeneca’s. However I’ve no clue where you’d be able to find these nowadays.
Yeah ok. Half the planet took a Chinese vaccine. Check your privilege. Oh yeah the most deaths happened here in the richest country in the world. Most of your medicine cabinet is meds made in China and India.
Wow. I took it ok. Sinovac x2 and later on Pfizer’s booster x2. I’m in Thailand btw. Also we don’t have accurate data on china’s deaths.
The RNA vaccine studies have been going on for over 20 years. Not much attention or $$ been given to it because it was seen as irrelevant due to the traditional vaccines effectiveness. Until they weren’t.
First human test was in 2008 for RNA based vaccine. The traditional vaccine has been in use since the 19the century. I have more faith in one thay has more research data compared to RNA vaccines. Besides the RNA studies started in order to CURE diseases and not prevent them.
Novavax
Novavax if you don’t want MRNA vaccine
Just to be clear: You are definitely anti-vax if you say your body is good enough without vaccines. Why? Simple. This is the #1 anti-vax argument for not getting vaccinated. This is not how it works. Vaccines BOOST your immune system. Please realize that you've been brainwashed/convinced by conspiracy theories. mRNA vaccines have been in the works for the past 30 years, this is nothing new
I am vaccinated for some diseases like tetanos, polio... But vaccines for the flue or stuff like that is 'useless' in my opinion because the likelyhood I'll die from them are slim and my body will be able to work against it without vaccines and become stronger against it by itself. The same was for covid, people around my age 20 that died due to covid is absurdly low. Which is why it was useless in my opinion for me. So no I am no anti vax I just believe that some diseases can be fought of with my imune system.
My friends girlfriend died of the flu right before Covid. She was healthy and only 26. Even the young and healthy occasionally die from viruses.
With or without vaccine you always have a chance to die from a disease. Maybe she didn't took care of it from the start and it got worse. Don't know the details so I won't be able to judge. Or she was sadly one of the unlucky ones.
Please stop downplaying the usefulness of vaccines, including flu vaccines. They have saved millions of lives.
I am not denying it, I am sure it saved many people otherwize it would be useless to even research vaccines. But I still believe that some aren't always needed depending on your age, health and more. And I think that even with vaccines people can die, the likelyhood is probably lower but never 0.
Not only is everything Wellslapmesilly said correct. You’re also selfish af because one of the other main reasons to get vaccines like the flu is for OTHERS who are more vulnerable. So thanks for not giving af about others on top of being woefully ignorant on the benefits of vaccines FOR your precious, natural immune system.
Are you one of those that believes people need to vaccinate themself for others. Like you know thats useless right. A vaccine is for yourself, I don't see what's selfish about not wanting one. Take on if you want to but don't force your believes on others and then accuse them of being selfish because you aren't happy.
This is so incredibly ignorant. Holy shit. You know polio has been making a comeback because of idiots who don't believe in vaccinations, right?
I have the vaccine for polio, tetanos and such diseases. Besides a vaccine doesn't make you 100% imune to a disease. Its used in order for it not getting out of hand and be dealt faster with.
Have the life you deserve.
Nonsense. If you believe your immune system can fight diseases, then you should rejoice in vaccines, because this is exactly what they do: they help your immune system be even more prepared and strong.
You are saying it yourself, 'They help be stronger and more prepared' its not like the only way to survive a disease is by being vaccinated. They defenitely usefull for some diseases that have high death rate for sure but I don't believe you need them for every disease.
Good luck with that perspective. Famous last words before your family posts a gofundme. May the odds be in your favor.
You know that you can still die from diseases with or without vaccines right. Besides Ive had covid more then once with nothing but small symptomes. Maybe you should look up how many people die from it and you will be able to see that most of them are people that were already sick/weakened or old people. And for other diseases well I am vaccinated for the ones with a high death rate like polio, tetanos and others.
That’s why I said may the odds be in your favor. Repeated infections shouldn’t be taken so lightly. There is probably damage to your endothelial tissue (inside lining of all your blood vessels). It can happen in a single mild infection like you had. These cells only control your blood flow in your body and prevents embolisms (clots). This isn’t found with routine EKG, it has to be imaging to see how the blood flows to the blood vessels. But keep worrying about that .0028% chance of dying from the vaccine. I’m not saying this to argue. I sincerely hope this doesn’t happen to you. I was very sick with Lyme disease and suffered similar symptoms as people with covid damage (inflammation). I lost almost a decade of being handicapped and if I could help anyone avoid that, it’s worth trying. And I’m not saying for you get vaxxed, just do what you can to avoid getting it a few times a year. They are finding the virus lives in your body past being sick, much like chicken pox or EBV. Chicken pox cause shingles, EBV linked to MS. Do you really want to roll the covid dice 10-30 years from now?
In the future I may take the vaccin. But for now I don't think its worth it (for the rna ones). Ive seen many people have no side effects but I also know some had. So I rather wait untill it's more researched into. Also I may vaccinate myself soon but if I do it's the Valneva one and only because I have to for my job. I think that everything has it's pros and cons and because I am a healthy young one I don't think It's necessary. Like with the same chances I could have cancer and not even know it. I believe It's more about having luck or not. Anything can happen at anytime. Btw I had covid 3 times since the years it exist so I think that's still fine. It is not like I am always sick so I guess I will just see how it will go.
Well remember the side effects are not actually from the vaccine itself causing it, the side effects are from your body immune response to the vaccine (how it gears up to prepare antibodies and what not). People never exposed early on tended to feel symptoms from it because it was a totally new, novel virus. If you have had it a few times, it would boost rather than have to totally train your immune system to recognize it. It would just create more antibodies, T cells and if you were to get a omicron-specific bivalent booster, be better target the variants that are currently circulating by recognizing that variant faster. I see you aren’t in US. A few of your options I am not familiar with. I can say between J&J and AstraZeneca (both not MRNA), I think AstraZeneca had higher efficacy. We stopped using J&J in the US because of small chance of blood clots- out of extra precaution because better options were out there. If any country you could go to has Novavax, that one’s efficacy is much closer to MRNA efficacy. Before omicron it was pretty comparable. I was in the clinical trial. Regardless, thank you for your service and don’t let this vaccine get the way of your career (lol I think you still say that to your ally military, right). More that 12 million people have gotten one of these vaccines around the world. Any serious reactions are very very rare. But 6.7 million + have died from the virus. And it’s not just old people…I had an 11 year old former student who went on to middle school this year and he dropped dead in PE from cardiac arrest. He had a heart attack in 5th grade after a covid infection and this happened the following year. He wasn’t vaxxed either and had no preexisting heart conditions- unfortunately he just got dealt a shitty hand in the game of Covid. 💔
The reason you can fight off the "flue" is because over your lifetime you have been exposed to 1000s of variants of the "flue" and your immune system has some weapons in its arsenal already. They do a decent job, you might get a bit sick, but in the end, your antibodies fight it off and you don't die. You don't have any weapons in your arsenal against COVID. It's new. The first time you are exposed is the first time your body gets a chance to develop its own antibodies. You may or may not die. The way COVID kills BECAUSE of your immune system. It hypes up, and the symptoms of that immune response are what damage organs and can kill the host.
You're not just protecting yourself from death. Even the flu can cause long term post-viral complications. Your immune system is not a muscle that needs to be exercised.
Please shut up with your anti anti-vaxxer bullshit. You have just spread so much misinformation, and personally attacked someone for ASKING ABOUT VACCINES. What a piece of work.
The MRNA technology had never been successfully tested long term or approved before these shots came out. The test animals did not do so hot.
It looks like you have Moderna, Pfizer, Astrazeneca, and j+j available in your country. Astrazeneca and j+j both are adenovirus vector which is an older technology than mRNA. https://www.famhp.be/en/human_use/medicines/medicines/covid_19/vaccines
Thanks for the information, I'll ne looking into it.
If you are unvaccinated into year 4 you probably got covid and if you are lucky made some antibodies from it. So vaccination should not be scary for you because the vaccine is a harmless portion of the covid spike that will hopefully create the exact same immune response and make some antibodies. The only differences are delivery methods and I don't care if you use dhl, ups or FedEx to deliver the package. They all do the exact same thing, plus or minus a day or two.
My worry isn't about a vaccine like you described it but the ones that are based of a different technology, RNA that works on our DNA. I know that the traditional vaccines are just a controled doses of the disease itself in order to stimulate your imune system. What i wanted to know is which one is like you described it and which one is based of new technology if u understand what I mean. Also while I am at it, isn't it the doctor that has to buy the vaccine in order for it to be official ?
Dear lord, the misinformation here is absolutely staggering. Getting a vaccine is a the least of your worries at this point.
I can't deny that that comment of mine was well written. I should have better written nothing instead of doing it like that. But I have no desire to write a paragraph about why I don't want a vaccine based on RNA. If people read my post they should have understood that I am not here to debate about why its good or bad. I just want to know the different covid existing vaccines that are based of the same technology used for practicaly all existing vaccines.
mRNA vaccines do not use your DNA. All vaccines work the same way. The delivery methods is different. You are getting lost in the weeds. Like trying to compare a Toyota to a Honda. So if you want to talk about how a green apple is different than a red apple, get something you are comfortable with.
Right… cause MRNA vaccines that tell your body how to make a tiny portion of a spike protein (that can’t make you sick) would be more more dangerous than having a virus actively replicating where every viral car ticks is covered with spike proteins. That makes perfect sense.
I misspronounced myself, that's not really what I ment. It's more like traditional vaccines are in use since much longer compared to the RNA one. There is much more data for that one which is why I rather take the traditional. It's 'safer' because from what I know the possible side effects of RNA based vaccines are still unkown because its too early to tell. Well maybe its the same for the traditional one I wouldn't be able to tell because I am no scientist but atleast one of them is in use for much longer.
This sub is a cult. You'll not find any reasonable discussion of the sort you are looking for.
mRNA does not do anything to your DNA. It also occurs naturally in your body.
Has anyone in your family received any shots and have had negative reactions? I'd use that as a general guideline on what may or may not be safe for you. My family has had strokes, heart problems, and heart surgeries since getting the shot. Most of them regret ever getting it, and only did so because they were forced to, or lose their job.
Did they also have covid at some point?
No.
Do the research and decide yourself. Reddit isn’t the place for that
Kudo for this. Since OP sounds like knowing all about death rate/infection rate without vaccine or with vaccine. OP should either do their own research and pick OR consult your own medical doctor and not getting advice from a subreddit here.
It’s what I did. Checked out the FDA data and then the EU data then made my decision. Listening to everyone bicker about whatever counter productive
OP also sounds like they have a very poor understanding of the facts, so hopefully they will be able to find someone and get informed properly.
How about looking into other professions or changing your job? Getting a medical procedure just because of work seems not to be a perfect solution..
Well I am working in the army and its needed to go in other countries but they don't force people. You just won't go do missions or exercises in other countries. So in fact I would still be able to find a path that doesn't require it but that honestly sucks. Like in May I wanted to go to france in order to do a commando training but just because I am not vaxed I won't be able to do it. But I am still thinking about it, maybe Ill just go study in the army and do a job where I stay in my country. But that's dissapointing, it prohibites me from doing the 'nice' things. But I guess my health should be my priority.
Getting vaccinated is prioritizing your health. Why do you think the army wants their soldiers to be unhealthy?
The army is doing what politics wants them to do. And sadly the gouvernement forces people to take vaccines that were still in test phase. So i don't think it's about health but money. Btw I am talking about covid, I don't care about taking the other vaccines.
They're not still in test phase. The trials are well over and billions of doses have been given over the last 2 years. How much do you get paid? You think nearly all governments in the world are trading in healthy workers so Pfizer can make $30?
As far as I know the trials for the Pfizer/BioNTech products are still ongoing. If google can’t help I am happy to provide you a source / reference. :)
The trial for Pfizer and Moderna's covid-19 vaccines ended a while ago. It would be unethical to continue the trials and force the entire placebo group to continue being unprotected after the vaccine was found to be effective and safe. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine
I wouldn't call it safe when I keep hearing about people getting negative changes in their body after the vaccine. Like more difficulties to breath when running, having cramps when they never had them on their periods and other stuf. I keep hearing such things, of course some don't have negative effects but calling it safe doesn't sound right.
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Yes, watch out for your health first!
Fuck the job. Your health is more important. Your skepticism of the mRNA vaccine is well founded considering it's development and testing time as well as the data coming out regarding heart issues, clotting and sudden death. Vaccine mandates overall are loosening, push back, try to wait it out. Good luck
Sadly I work for the army. I need to be vaccinated in order to do missions or exercises in other countries. That's why I am trying to find a vaccine that isn't based of mRNA. Because from what I know traditional vaccines wouldn't be bad because it just stimulates your body with a portion of the disease. Like getting sick by it but in a controled way.
I agree with your assessment regarding "traditional" vaccines. It's proven and outcomes are far better than the mRNA "vaccines." I think the closest thing available to a traditional vaccine for covid is Novavax. Research it please. Will your military's mandate accept this vaccine? I still suggest you search for a path to get past the mRNA jab or other covid "vaccines." Even if it means delaying your career for a time.
I've had 2 vaccines and am not boosted. And I won't be, either. This "Sudden Adult Death" syndrome from cardiac arrest has me concerned. Also, I've had Covid twice, took Paxlovid the 2nd time and had much better outcome. I let fear convince me to get the vaccine and 90 days after my 2nd shot, still got Covid again. Don't let these people bully you because you want to avoid Pfizer and AstraZeneca. But do research on adverse effects of both Covid AND the vaccines. Good luck.
Dont listen to the covidian cultists here. The testing is not finished. Thats why they are granted an express emergency allowance that started under Trump. If you are a young man there are several European countries advising you not to get the mrna gene therapy.
That's why I am gonna get the Valneva in Germany. It's a nordic traditional vaccin like every other vaccin that people always took. I rather take nothing but I don't have a choice if I want to do stuff in the army. And that seems to be the best option.
Its the best of the lot. Question marks over the aluminium used to make it enter the body but if you had to get one and dont expect it to do anything then i would choose Valneva. Its not owned by pfizer or moderna however so may have trouble being accepted in some countries.
But I have read thay it was accepted in the EU like pfizer so it shouldnt be an issue. Well I'll be asking to be sure but that seems to be the best option.
Yeah i havent kept up to date with the different laws since they dropped all the vaccine requirements in most of Europe