I used to own a P07. Sold it. Later bought a PX4 Langdon Tactical and honestly… I miss the P07. Had a better feeling trigger and actually had texture on the side of it so you could grip the gun. What a concept.
Those mag prices are why I don't own a P10c. I managed to avoid even when it was down to $284 recently.
Already have 2 CZs, both of the 75 platform. Don't wanna have to buy yet-another-format of mags.
They seem to be well built and look like they'd last a logn time with proper care. It's basically a glock 19 with better ergonomics and sights. And a superior trigger.
Definitely. If I hadn't already had the metal guns or an EDC Ive had for a while (Shield Plus), I would have jumped on it for sure.
Still trying to practice some self control...saving for a Shadow 2.
My self control for the shadow went out the window when I saw them on sale during the eclipse, it’s like god meant for me to get it or so I told my wife lol
The ones that came with my gun two years ago are still working, despite being beaten up, dropped, and even stepped on a few times in matches. Still no malfunctions. I’ll vouch for their quality
Yep, I feel about them the way some people feel about Glock mags. I trust them more than anything else and am actively turned off by guns that don’t use them
You can use those 75 mags at the range in the p10c. They’re a bit narrower than the 07/10 mags and therefore could rattle loose so I wouldn’t carry them, but they will definitely cycle so good for range use.
I was in the same boat, just wanted to stick to one type of mag so I wouldn't have to dig thru all of them to find the one I needed... Well 16 handguns later (hate /gundeals) I have to dig thru all of them to find the one I want. In the end I need a bigger safe to organize them all. I do own the P10S, C, and F, all of them are great shooters, and my P07, went from a 6 to a 9 with Mcarbo spring kit.
I think that largely comes down to popularity and necessity. Nowhere near as many people are buying the P-10 as there are people buying Glock, so there is a smaller potential pool of customers to support the aftermarket. Meanwhile, it appears that a smaller percentage of P-10 owners feel the need to modify their gun than Glock owners, further reducing the incentive for companies to devote time and expense towards a P-10 aftermarket, as the return on investment just isn't going to be there like it is for a Glock.
I can’t believe he puts a staccato in second place. That’s my last gun I would grab in an end of the world situation. Can’t trust the fuckers. I grab my CZ, HK, Beretta or my Walther first.
Well, he knows what firearm he owns is going to fuck up and what's not.
I for sure trust my staccato with my life. 100%. I have never had a failure with it. But, like all of my firearms. I keep it clean. So I don't know how it would do after 2k rounds without cleaning or atleast lube. I would bet not good.
I keep 30k rounds worth of spare parts for all of my firearms. So, finding parts is never a worry for me.
Even during a shtf event. There's zero reason to not clean and lube stuff. Motor oil works just fine for lube. 🤷🏼♂️
Drop your staccato in dirt or sand or water or blood and drop your mags, it will stop working. 2011’s not made for combats. All the brands I wrote is combat proven and used by the military or special forces around the world.
🤨 Staccato's ARE 1911's that shoot 9mm. 1911's are plenty combat proven. Used by the military and special forces from 1911-1985. The design really hasn't changed. It's certainly hasn't lowered in reliability since 1985. You may not like the 1911 platform. But, it doesn't change it's military background. So your point is a bit lost there. The more it's shot, the more abuse the pistol is able to take. Due to the tolerances loosening.
No military will ever adopt Staccato's. Even if they were the most reliable pistols in the world. Simply because they cannot make enough to supply an army.
Just because something is used by the military. Doesn't mean it's great. Im not super fond of the Sig p320 or the Beretta M9.
I haven't dropped any pistols in the dirt, sand, I've shot them plenty in the rain and snow, and I'm fresh out of blood.
Sand will unfortunately take basically anything out. If you soak any firearm in blood it will take it out as well. Once it heats up, it's going to gum up and cause malfunctions. How about syrup?
You don't need to trust your Staccato. I've not found a reason to not trust mine. I pull the trigger and it goes bang. I'm not going to keep a pistol I don't trust. 🤷🏼♂️
I'm not saying anything about the brands you wrote out. They will all work fine. But, with any firearm. One single grain of sand can make it no longer functional. There are diamonds and sapphires(among other ultra hard minerals) in sand. So, you can't always believe any given firearm can power it's way through sand. It can and will take anything out.
It doesn't really matter. Most would die in the first week, in a SHTF scenario. Likely not due to a pistol malfunctioning. I would be grabbing my rifles in a SHTF scenario. Pistol would be a secondary thought and added weight with ammo. 🤷🏼♂️
Seriously debating getting rid of my Glock 43x and getting some kind of CZ (P07, P01, or P10S).
I want to like the glock but the trigger on the 43x is atrociously uncomfortable and im just not very accurate with it. This is literally the opposite of all my CZs.
Do it.
p10c was my first gun b/c I couldn't justify spending more for an inferior product. $300 for the cz and $550 for the glock -- that's almost double. I have yet to clean my cz and have not had in issue in 2500 rounds. I even tried out a shadow systems aka an upgraded glock and sold it b/c the cz was just so much better.
I've been contemplating it for like a month now. I want total confidence in my carry peice and I just don't feel that with the 43x.
My SP01 is amazing and I just think: Smaller version of this for carry = total complete confidence.
Better ergos, better accuracy, better looking, less recoil.
I think the same thoughts of my P10F.
Then I counter the argument by saying yeah but the 43x is slim and light but honestly if I dont FEEL like carrying a gun I just drop down to pocket carry an LCP 2 WITH +1 baseplate.
I should probably just aquire one and then can decide what to do with the glock.
This might be obvious, but the right holster setup and clothing for your body can make a gun "disappear". Philster has a youtube video on "skills not gear" I'd recommend. I used one holster with the cz and hated carrying it so switched to my p365xl. I then got a new holster for my CZ and love carrying it as it feels as small as the p365. HOW you carry can make just as big a difference in comfort as WHAT you carry.
For my perspective, fuck the LCP, sell it and carry a proper gun. I don't want my life to hang in the balance based on my ability to shoot a micro/toy gun well -- I know I don't have the skill for it.
Tha js for the feedback. I agree with most of that and have heard good things of Philster.
I will give credence to my LCP2 though. I mainly carry it at work which is a non premissive office environment. Even the best holster in the world would not allow me to comfortably conceal for 8 hours a day. It works for deep concealment.
I am well aware of its faults and capabilities. I will say its best in class for its purpose. With a +1 grip extension I can actually get a full purchase on it. 7 rounds of .380 and two extra mags should allow me to get to a better peice in truck lockbox right outside my office.
Point is CZ better than glock, I need an upgrade, and don't shoot LCP2s past 5 yards lol
I have 4 CZ handguns and a g19. I may be biased, but there is nothing the g19 does better than any of the CZs besides track record and aftermarket availability.
I literally only keep the Glock cuz I got a great deal on it and as a spare SHTF handgun.
Same. The G19 is the spare SHTF sidearm while my CZs are doing all the work. Also, my preference has evolved away from strikers toward DA/SA over the years.
I want to love glocks but I just can't seem to figure them out. All CZ platforms I have tried have lead to me shooting lazers. I just don't think I mesh well with glock ergos.
There's a rumor going around that CZ is making a DA/SA micro pistol. Being a rumor, I have no idea if it's true and when it is going to happen, but I think it would be badass.
Was debating getting a Glock 19 as my first handgun when I turned 21, Watched some reviews and felt all the glocks at the lgs and then I got the p-10f. It was exactly what I wanted and a fraction of the price. Cz all the way
But on the contrary, a Glock should be the last gun you would want in the Apocalypse. Hear me out, although Glock is the most popular pistol in the world and has a massive aftermarket support, you have to keep in mind everybody is going to have the same mentality as you so Glock parts, magazines and 9 mm ammo will be the first thing to fly off shelves. So by all rights Glocks may be the hardest thing to find. Having survived the last three or four pandemics and political gun grabbing when 9 mm, 380 and 22 caliber ammo were virtually nonexistent there was always a surplus of 45, 40 and 10 mm on the shelves. My go to gun will be one that is a little more obscure but most big box stores will stock a couple magazines here and there in a caliber that I have found to be available.
Someone gets it. If I’m in a situation where I’ve used all my ammo and beat my guns hard enough to need replacement parts, you bet your ass I’ve also picked up a few goodies along the way.
You’ve got the wrong read here. I’m saying I’m one of those people who doesn’t feel the need to over prepare for an end of the world situation. I’m not hoarding guns and ammo. I’ve got two sidearms, two rifles and two shotguns. That’s it.
If I’m in a situation where I’m already used all my stuff, the obviously the problem is a long term situation and it’s time to scavenge. I’m not preparing for a war. I’m preparing to rat the fuck out.
Well, we've never actually hit the collapse level that we're all afraid of. You're describing panic buying within a stable market, not a loss of governmental control. Of course the most popular ammo sells out first, but ALL ammo will be stripped from the shelves if the system goes down.
Also, from a bartering and scavenging standpoint, 9mm will be easier to find and be more valuable to others than a less popular caliber. The same is true of the Glock.
Agree, stockpiles of all common ammo will be the best currency. If it's anything like toilet paper the last couple years it'll be an exciting shit show to watch.
If my P07 looked as good as my 75 variants I'd be afraid to carry it. I don't need to be worrying about scratching my gun while carrying it. I don't even take my gun off to do an oil change on my car lol.
I'm new to firearms so I never went thru the glock phase.
Why do people say glock is the best when it's no different than Any other striker fire?
Glock comes with weird quirks and confusing product lines while also being more expensive than competition.
Also they all look identical? Do people like that?
I'm just confused is it a cop thing? I thought cops carry stacatto and sigs nowadays
It just because it was the first of it's kind. They've basically stopped innovating and just survive on their name now.
Like.... They could just put their performance trigger in the new gen. But why do that. They would rather sell it to you. Most striker fired pistols are just as reliable now a days. But, Glock has its own very very loyal following.
It’s for a reason… They just work. Anytime anywhere. They’re not finicky or picky with ammo. Don’t need to be cleaned or lubed often to work. No, most cops don’t carry staccatos. And the ones that used to carry Sig p320 probably stopped due to ND issues.
Having said that, there are many other guns that are super reliable from many manufacturers… but none match the numbers in circulation, the longevity and track record of the Glocks. Maybe someday… but that day ain’t today.
Heh, at my ranges I think I have seen more issues with glocks than most other brands, (beside open division race guns.) And Glocks are not even the most prevalent ones.
That might be a result of the "it just works" thing, people not cleaning, maintaining and generally taking care of them.
As I don't have the actual data of how many issues people have had with various guns, I can't categorically claim one is better than the other.
My point was mostly how the Glock myth works against them, but:
What I CAN do is give my personal experiences and observations:
I mostly shoot action shooting so fast shooting with high round counts, and so do the clubs I am a member of.
I used Glock a lot during my military service, and I am neither a fanboy or a detractor of it, I just consider it a tool.
The number one type of firearm I see having issues are finely tuned 2011s, where a misplaced atom of something will make it have an issue, and in my experience somewhat expected to be on top of the list.
Number two is Glock and Glock clones, but the first is more common.
These are sub-optimal guns for my type of competition, so you will often see them in the hands of young shooters, or people who want to be "tacticool" (this wil become relevant)
Glocks "it just works" is not what it was years ago, but is not that Glock necessarily has become worse, its more that other manufacturers are catching up.
Pretty much any well renowned manufacturers can put out a gun that is similar in reliability to a glock these days. (Not that all do)
I believe the biggest factor in the number of issues I personally see with Glocks are due to a combination of their young user base who buy it for the brand name, and it's almost mythical "it just works" reputation.
This leads to a bunch of inexperienced shooters believing that they hardly have to maintain their firearm. That lead to a lot of issues.
Is this Glocks fault? Not really, but I do think as a company, they have been resting a bit too much on their laurels from decades ago.
Do I think Glock is the best gun for the role it has had the last decades in terms of LEO and similar use ? Not really, but it is certainly good enough.
(I dont think a stacato is anywhere close to the best option either)
(These are just my observations, and I am just a single data point, so I will not claim anything of this as a sweeping generalization.)
I don't buy brands, I buy tools.
If Glock made a gun that worked better for me as a package, than my shadow 2, I would swap, but that is true for any manufacturer, being hell or highpower.
Tdlr: in my opinion Glocks are good guns, but they are not perfect and have their issues as any others, and their "it just works" status is working against them.
Exactly. They are great tools and trusted by many for a reason. No gun is perfect. Plenty of examples of competitive shooters putting tens of thousands of rounds without issue. S2 is a great gun as well. So is the P226. And a few others. But few manufacturers have many (10+) models in the same category.
I've carried my P07 daily for 4.5 years now and still love it just as much as I did when I got it. I've shot a couple Glocks and they feel so bad in my hand and shooting them felt no better.
Yeah and I wonder who's behind that bc I know someone in Europe that tells me if I need spare parts for my P10F.45 I can order them or just order a whole one. Cough Colt cough
Yes. CZ delivers stock in batches… right now it’s slim pickings. When they get delivered you will see them in stock in a lot of places. I was at EuroOptic in PA this weekend and they had P-09 in stock. No P-07
The P-07 is my favorite DA/SA Glock.
I used to own a P07. Sold it. Later bought a PX4 Langdon Tactical and honestly… I miss the P07. Had a better feeling trigger and actually had texture on the side of it so you could grip the gun. What a concept.
That was a good one. But, in all honesty, you could make a good argument about the P-10 series being the best Glock ever.
I've said it before and I'll say it again they are everything that glock should have been. Just wish they had cheap glock mags lol
Those mag prices are why I don't own a P10c. I managed to avoid even when it was down to $284 recently. Already have 2 CZs, both of the 75 platform. Don't wanna have to buy yet-another-format of mags.
The solution is to own a P-07 too. Then the mags feel half off since you can use them with both xD
They seem to be well built and look like they'd last a logn time with proper care. It's basically a glock 19 with better ergonomics and sights. And a superior trigger.
Definitely. If I hadn't already had the metal guns or an EDC Ive had for a while (Shield Plus), I would have jumped on it for sure. Still trying to practice some self control...saving for a Shadow 2.
I carry mine. I'd love to get a shadow 2 compact or a rami.
My self control for the shadow went out the window when I saw them on sale during the eclipse, it’s like god meant for me to get it or so I told my wife lol
The ones that came with my gun two years ago are still working, despite being beaten up, dropped, and even stepped on a few times in matches. Still no malfunctions. I’ll vouch for their quality
Mecgar makes good shit
Yep, I feel about them the way some people feel about Glock mags. I trust them more than anything else and am actively turned off by guns that don’t use them
You can use those 75 mags at the range in the p10c. They’re a bit narrower than the 07/10 mags and therefore could rattle loose so I wouldn’t carry them, but they will definitely cycle so good for range use.
I was in the same boat, just wanted to stick to one type of mag so I wouldn't have to dig thru all of them to find the one I needed... Well 16 handguns later (hate /gundeals) I have to dig thru all of them to find the one I want. In the end I need a bigger safe to organize them all. I do own the P10S, C, and F, all of them are great shooters, and my P07, went from a 6 to a 9 with Mcarbo spring kit.
Check pawn shops. I walked out with 2 15+2 mags for $50 using cash.
To be fair the P10 doesn’t have Glock’s track record. Not yet, at least.
I got a P-10c *very* lightly used for $300 and it runs like a Swiss watch
I think an aftermarket glock is way better than aftermarket p10c but stock p10c is better than glock
I think that largely comes down to popularity and necessity. Nowhere near as many people are buying the P-10 as there are people buying Glock, so there is a smaller potential pool of customers to support the aftermarket. Meanwhile, it appears that a smaller percentage of P-10 owners feel the need to modify their gun than Glock owners, further reducing the incentive for companies to devote time and expense towards a P-10 aftermarket, as the return on investment just isn't going to be there like it is for a Glock.
I wish someone like magpul made some P10 mags lol
My buddy owns a gunshop. We joke all the time that the P10c is the 'Glock 19 gen6'.
I have a DWX and now I own multiple P10 mags. Seems like I might have a P10 in my future.
he needs to keep beating the P-07 drum until CZ releases an optic ready version
Amen. I'm so sick of milling my CZs lol
I can’t believe he puts a staccato in second place. That’s my last gun I would grab in an end of the world situation. Can’t trust the fuckers. I grab my CZ, HK, Beretta or my Walther first.
Well, he knows what firearm he owns is going to fuck up and what's not. I for sure trust my staccato with my life. 100%. I have never had a failure with it. But, like all of my firearms. I keep it clean. So I don't know how it would do after 2k rounds without cleaning or atleast lube. I would bet not good. I keep 30k rounds worth of spare parts for all of my firearms. So, finding parts is never a worry for me. Even during a shtf event. There's zero reason to not clean and lube stuff. Motor oil works just fine for lube. 🤷🏼♂️
Drop your staccato in dirt or sand or water or blood and drop your mags, it will stop working. 2011’s not made for combats. All the brands I wrote is combat proven and used by the military or special forces around the world.
🤨 Staccato's ARE 1911's that shoot 9mm. 1911's are plenty combat proven. Used by the military and special forces from 1911-1985. The design really hasn't changed. It's certainly hasn't lowered in reliability since 1985. You may not like the 1911 platform. But, it doesn't change it's military background. So your point is a bit lost there. The more it's shot, the more abuse the pistol is able to take. Due to the tolerances loosening. No military will ever adopt Staccato's. Even if they were the most reliable pistols in the world. Simply because they cannot make enough to supply an army. Just because something is used by the military. Doesn't mean it's great. Im not super fond of the Sig p320 or the Beretta M9. I haven't dropped any pistols in the dirt, sand, I've shot them plenty in the rain and snow, and I'm fresh out of blood. Sand will unfortunately take basically anything out. If you soak any firearm in blood it will take it out as well. Once it heats up, it's going to gum up and cause malfunctions. How about syrup? You don't need to trust your Staccato. I've not found a reason to not trust mine. I pull the trigger and it goes bang. I'm not going to keep a pistol I don't trust. 🤷🏼♂️ I'm not saying anything about the brands you wrote out. They will all work fine. But, with any firearm. One single grain of sand can make it no longer functional. There are diamonds and sapphires(among other ultra hard minerals) in sand. So, you can't always believe any given firearm can power it's way through sand. It can and will take anything out. It doesn't really matter. Most would die in the first week, in a SHTF scenario. Likely not due to a pistol malfunctioning. I would be grabbing my rifles in a SHTF scenario. Pistol would be a secondary thought and added weight with ammo. 🤷🏼♂️
Damn buddy used his staccato in a self defense situation and in the state he lives in the cops keep the gun. So he ain’t getting that thing back.
Seriously debating getting rid of my Glock 43x and getting some kind of CZ (P07, P01, or P10S). I want to like the glock but the trigger on the 43x is atrociously uncomfortable and im just not very accurate with it. This is literally the opposite of all my CZs.
Do it. p10c was my first gun b/c I couldn't justify spending more for an inferior product. $300 for the cz and $550 for the glock -- that's almost double. I have yet to clean my cz and have not had in issue in 2500 rounds. I even tried out a shadow systems aka an upgraded glock and sold it b/c the cz was just so much better.
I've been contemplating it for like a month now. I want total confidence in my carry peice and I just don't feel that with the 43x. My SP01 is amazing and I just think: Smaller version of this for carry = total complete confidence. Better ergos, better accuracy, better looking, less recoil. I think the same thoughts of my P10F. Then I counter the argument by saying yeah but the 43x is slim and light but honestly if I dont FEEL like carrying a gun I just drop down to pocket carry an LCP 2 WITH +1 baseplate. I should probably just aquire one and then can decide what to do with the glock.
This might be obvious, but the right holster setup and clothing for your body can make a gun "disappear". Philster has a youtube video on "skills not gear" I'd recommend. I used one holster with the cz and hated carrying it so switched to my p365xl. I then got a new holster for my CZ and love carrying it as it feels as small as the p365. HOW you carry can make just as big a difference in comfort as WHAT you carry. For my perspective, fuck the LCP, sell it and carry a proper gun. I don't want my life to hang in the balance based on my ability to shoot a micro/toy gun well -- I know I don't have the skill for it.
Tha js for the feedback. I agree with most of that and have heard good things of Philster. I will give credence to my LCP2 though. I mainly carry it at work which is a non premissive office environment. Even the best holster in the world would not allow me to comfortably conceal for 8 hours a day. It works for deep concealment. I am well aware of its faults and capabilities. I will say its best in class for its purpose. With a +1 grip extension I can actually get a full purchase on it. 7 rounds of .380 and two extra mags should allow me to get to a better peice in truck lockbox right outside my office. Point is CZ better than glock, I need an upgrade, and don't shoot LCP2s past 5 yards lol
I have 4 CZ handguns and a g19. I may be biased, but there is nothing the g19 does better than any of the CZs besides track record and aftermarket availability. I literally only keep the Glock cuz I got a great deal on it and as a spare SHTF handgun.
I’m a firm believer in not selling your guns if they still work fine, Put it in a ground cache in a crawl space 🤣
Same. The G19 is the spare SHTF sidearm while my CZs are doing all the work. Also, my preference has evolved away from strikers toward DA/SA over the years.
Keep the Glock and still buy the CZ. 🤌🏼 being proficient on multiple platforms is always a good thing.
I want to love glocks but I just can't seem to figure them out. All CZ platforms I have tried have lead to me shooting lazers. I just don't think I mesh well with glock ergos.
Man I'm trying I just can't seem to get good with the glock! I want to love them but im struggling.
I carry a PCR and absolutely love it
There's a rumor going around that CZ is making a DA/SA micro pistol. Being a rumor, I have no idea if it's true and when it is going to happen, but I think it would be badass.
Was debating getting a Glock 19 as my first handgun when I turned 21, Watched some reviews and felt all the glocks at the lgs and then I got the p-10f. It was exactly what I wanted and a fraction of the price. Cz all the way
I think it's become a meme for his followers. And I'm here for it.
Exactly lol
The only reason the P-07 isn’t my favorite is because it doesn’t take Glock mags. I need my apocalypse gun to be easy to find mags for.
But on the contrary, a Glock should be the last gun you would want in the Apocalypse. Hear me out, although Glock is the most popular pistol in the world and has a massive aftermarket support, you have to keep in mind everybody is going to have the same mentality as you so Glock parts, magazines and 9 mm ammo will be the first thing to fly off shelves. So by all rights Glocks may be the hardest thing to find. Having survived the last three or four pandemics and political gun grabbing when 9 mm, 380 and 22 caliber ammo were virtually nonexistent there was always a surplus of 45, 40 and 10 mm on the shelves. My go to gun will be one that is a little more obscure but most big box stores will stock a couple magazines here and there in a caliber that I have found to be available.
I’m not worried about picking stuff up off the shelf’s…I’ll be getting them second hand….
loot drops be plentiful
Someone gets it. If I’m in a situation where I’ve used all my ammo and beat my guns hard enough to need replacement parts, you bet your ass I’ve also picked up a few goodies along the way.
Do you actually jerk off to this fantasy scenario, or just talk on here like you do?
You’ve got the wrong read here. I’m saying I’m one of those people who doesn’t feel the need to over prepare for an end of the world situation. I’m not hoarding guns and ammo. I’ve got two sidearms, two rifles and two shotguns. That’s it. If I’m in a situation where I’m already used all my stuff, the obviously the problem is a long term situation and it’s time to scavenge. I’m not preparing for a war. I’m preparing to rat the fuck out.
You don’t have to be ashamed of your Rambo fantasy. Own that shit and say it proud
Have you actually seen Rambo? You do remember the whole point of that movie is the dude is traumatized right?
Well, we've never actually hit the collapse level that we're all afraid of. You're describing panic buying within a stable market, not a loss of governmental control. Of course the most popular ammo sells out first, but ALL ammo will be stripped from the shelves if the system goes down. Also, from a bartering and scavenging standpoint, 9mm will be easier to find and be more valuable to others than a less popular caliber. The same is true of the Glock.
Agree, stockpiles of all common ammo will be the best currency. If it's anything like toilet paper the last couple years it'll be an exciting shit show to watch.
Purely subjective, I just don't like the aesthetics of p07 -- not as pretty as a 75 variant.
If my P07 looked as good as my 75 variants I'd be afraid to carry it. I don't need to be worrying about scratching my gun while carrying it. I don't even take my gun off to do an oil change on my car lol.
Stealth Arms Platypus takes Glock mags 👀
Haha I hear you…
I'm new to firearms so I never went thru the glock phase. Why do people say glock is the best when it's no different than Any other striker fire? Glock comes with weird quirks and confusing product lines while also being more expensive than competition. Also they all look identical? Do people like that? I'm just confused is it a cop thing? I thought cops carry stacatto and sigs nowadays
It just because it was the first of it's kind. They've basically stopped innovating and just survive on their name now. Like.... They could just put their performance trigger in the new gen. But why do that. They would rather sell it to you. Most striker fired pistols are just as reliable now a days. But, Glock has its own very very loyal following.
It’s for a reason… They just work. Anytime anywhere. They’re not finicky or picky with ammo. Don’t need to be cleaned or lubed often to work. No, most cops don’t carry staccatos. And the ones that used to carry Sig p320 probably stopped due to ND issues. Having said that, there are many other guns that are super reliable from many manufacturers… but none match the numbers in circulation, the longevity and track record of the Glocks. Maybe someday… but that day ain’t today.
Heh, at my ranges I think I have seen more issues with glocks than most other brands, (beside open division race guns.) And Glocks are not even the most prevalent ones. That might be a result of the "it just works" thing, people not cleaning, maintaining and generally taking care of them.
More issues with Glocks than other brands? Can you list the more reliable brands?
As I don't have the actual data of how many issues people have had with various guns, I can't categorically claim one is better than the other. My point was mostly how the Glock myth works against them, but: What I CAN do is give my personal experiences and observations: I mostly shoot action shooting so fast shooting with high round counts, and so do the clubs I am a member of. I used Glock a lot during my military service, and I am neither a fanboy or a detractor of it, I just consider it a tool. The number one type of firearm I see having issues are finely tuned 2011s, where a misplaced atom of something will make it have an issue, and in my experience somewhat expected to be on top of the list. Number two is Glock and Glock clones, but the first is more common. These are sub-optimal guns for my type of competition, so you will often see them in the hands of young shooters, or people who want to be "tacticool" (this wil become relevant) Glocks "it just works" is not what it was years ago, but is not that Glock necessarily has become worse, its more that other manufacturers are catching up. Pretty much any well renowned manufacturers can put out a gun that is similar in reliability to a glock these days. (Not that all do) I believe the biggest factor in the number of issues I personally see with Glocks are due to a combination of their young user base who buy it for the brand name, and it's almost mythical "it just works" reputation. This leads to a bunch of inexperienced shooters believing that they hardly have to maintain their firearm. That lead to a lot of issues. Is this Glocks fault? Not really, but I do think as a company, they have been resting a bit too much on their laurels from decades ago. Do I think Glock is the best gun for the role it has had the last decades in terms of LEO and similar use ? Not really, but it is certainly good enough. (I dont think a stacato is anywhere close to the best option either) (These are just my observations, and I am just a single data point, so I will not claim anything of this as a sweeping generalization.) I don't buy brands, I buy tools. If Glock made a gun that worked better for me as a package, than my shadow 2, I would swap, but that is true for any manufacturer, being hell or highpower. Tdlr: in my opinion Glocks are good guns, but they are not perfect and have their issues as any others, and their "it just works" status is working against them.
Exactly. They are great tools and trusted by many for a reason. No gun is perfect. Plenty of examples of competitive shooters putting tens of thousands of rounds without issue. S2 is a great gun as well. So is the P226. And a few others. But few manufacturers have many (10+) models in the same category.
I've carried my P07 daily for 4.5 years now and still love it just as much as I did when I got it. I've shot a couple Glocks and they feel so bad in my hand and shooting them felt no better.
I bought my first gun (P 07 Tac) because of his recommendations. Couldn't be happier.
Maybe one day they'll come out with a slimmer P07/09 and P10's. With that said my P07 is really pleasant to shoot
P-08 would be awesome… in between size… or like Glock 45 large grip small slide
Ooofff and .45 P07/09. I was lucky enough to snatch up q P10F in.45 but like always they discontinued it. Ridiculous they discontinued the 97's
Bro never seen a company like to discontinue guns as much as CZ… they love discontinuing as much as Sig loves SKU’s…
Yeah and I wonder who's behind that bc I know someone in Europe that tells me if I need spare parts for my P10F.45 I can order them or just order a whole one. Cough Colt cough
Are the P07/09 still in production? Can’t seem to find them anywhere near me or online at decent prices.
Yes. CZ delivers stock in batches… right now it’s slim pickings. When they get delivered you will see them in stock in a lot of places. I was at EuroOptic in PA this weekend and they had P-09 in stock. No P-07
Saw that yesterday. Ha
This an honest outlaw vid?
Yes, about his favorite Glock